Episode 4 - Private Chats

[Jenny]

Friday, July 2, 2010 00:29:40
[00:29] spies8jenny: Hi Ricky! Been a while since I'e been able to talk to you!
[00:30] spies8broderick: Hi Jenny!
[00:33] spies8jenny: So how have you been?
[00:39] spies8broderick: Good. Glad the teams have merged.
[00:39] spies8broderick: You?
[00:39] spies8jenny: I know, much easier to deal with.
[00:39] spies8jenny: Everything is everyone's problem now, no more of the silly "reading the other side" bit.
[00:41] spies8broderick: lol yeah.
[00:41] spies8broderick: I essentially stayed away from reading the other sides. Too much to focus on with my own side
[00:42] spies8jenny: I can understand that. Been crazy lately.

Saturday, July 3, 2010 19:32:46
[19:32] spies8jenny: Hi Ricky!
[19:33] spies8broderick: Hey Jenny
[19:34] spies8jenny: Got to read up on last night's chat, figured I could clear up a little bit that Al was vague on.

He claimed to me 2 days after opening night, and he didn't claim to Ni-Ni until the day before exile 2.
[19:36] spies8broderick: Oh K. Thanks. All I was aware of was that he claimed to you in the first couple of days, and to Nita sometime after Alexei went. From Owen
[19:37] spies8jenny: So checking the dates, that would make the claim to me on June 18th, and Ni-Ni on the 23rd.
[19:38] spies8jenny: I'm sure on the date for Ni-Ni because he asked me what I thought about him claiming to her a little bit before he did.
[19:41] spies8broderick: Oh okay
[19:42] spies8jenny: Hope that helps a little, since Al wasn't very clear about that when you asked him.
[19:42] spies8broderick: Yeah he wasn't. But he was at least willing to discuss it. lol.
[19:42] spies8broderick: Thanks
[19:43] spies8jenny: I wish more people would come on. It's holiday weekend, perfect time to come on!
[19:43] spies8jenny: 24 players, and we got 6 of them on.
[19:44] spies8broderick: Yeah. I don't get it
[19:44] spies8broderick: Like I see a lot of people just chillin' in the group chat.
[19:44] spies8broderick: The last week, I have felt like I'm the only one really discussing things.
[19:44] spies8jenny: It's been pretty quiet in there today so far.
[19:47] spies8broderick: Maybe it'll pick up after Imprisonment, or the holiday? lol
[19:47] spies8jenny: You'd think after holiday would be slower.
[19:47] spies8jenny: I mean, it's holiday now! Perfect time to come online when nothing is happening!
[19:47] spies8broderick: Meh sorta lol.
[19:47] spies8broderick: Lots of people go and do outdoor stuff for this kind of holiday.
[19:48] spies8broderick: BBQ, go on a lake, the beach, camping lol
[19:48] spies8jenny: It's boring outside.
[19:48] spies8jenny: "Oh look a tree. Exciting."
[19:48] spies8jenny: "I'm going to go look at spies again now."
[19:49] spies8broderick: lol
[21:16] spies8jenny: So now that the world can be reasonably sure that Al's role is real, I wonder if Claude will still be reluctant to do that test with Al.
[21:17] spies8broderick: He said he believed Allan's role.
[21:17] spies8broderick: There is the reasonably part though. It doesn't prove he is a cit
[21:19] spies8jenny: True, although I really don't see why a Spy would tell a cit about their role two days into the game like that. Or that the spies would put up with his falling apart and letting him explode like that if he was a spy role.
[21:20] spies8broderick: Shit happens ? lol
[21:20] spies8broderick: Spyris
[21:21] spies8jenny: True, but this role at least doesn't contradict the rules of the game.
[21:21] spies8broderick: lol
[21:21] spies8jenny: So, you know, there's that at least.
[21:21] spies8jenny:
[21:22] spies8jenny: And I think her falling apart was connected with how little sense her role made, whereas Al was just from him thinking everyone hated him and not wanting to be around.
[21:22] spies8broderick: Ahh K I see

[Jenny]

Friday, July 2, 2010 00:15:28
[00:15] spies8jenny: Hi New Lily!
[00:15] spies8lilith: (auto-response from spies8lilith) Cleaning! <3
[00:15] spies8lilith: Hi! :-)
[00:15] spies8jenny: So how are you?
[00:16] spies8jenny: Nice to finally meet you!
[00:16] spies8lilith: Good :-D.
[00:16] spies8lilith: I think you may be a spy ;-).
[00:16] spies8lilith: Although I tohught Themba was a spy.
[00:16] spies8lilith: So now, I don't think anything, LOL.
[00:16] spies8jenny: I didn't
[00:19] spies8jenny: Well if you want to ask me about stuff that worries you, at least you can ask now.
[00:20] spies8lilith: I feel really overwhelmed right now with looking at 24 suspects, LOL. I'll get to talking to you sometime, if that's ok? :-P
[00:20] spies8jenny: No problem at all. Just be glad you're not owen right now.
[00:21] spies8jenny: OWEN, DON'T VOTE ME PELASE!

OWEN, I GIVE YOU MUCH SEX

OWEN, WOULD YOU LIKE CASH?

OWEEEEEN!

Yeah, that's not going to be fun for him.
[00:21] spies8lilith: lol
[00:23] spies8jenny: Well at least you're sure to have time to catch up with that immunity
[00:24] spies8lilith: I kinda want to get out at imprisonment so I don't have to deal with the game... LOL
[00:24] spies8jenny:
[00:26] spies8jenny: Why do you still have your away message up by the way?
[00:26] spies8lilith: Oh, I forgot! LOL
[00:27] spies8jenny: Well now you know!
[00:27] spies8jenny:
[00:27] spies8lilith: Thanks :-D
[00:27] spies8jenny: You're welcome!
[01:04] spies8jenny: Still getting flooded with other people?
[01:04] spies8lilith: Not really, lol
[01:04] spies8jenny: So how have you been so far?
[01:05] spies8lilith: First day, overwhelmed, today, confident, tonight, confused... lol
[01:06] spies8jenny: Soooo, typical mafia then?
[01:13] spies8jenny: Well then how bout I keep you from being lazy then!
You said earlier you think I'm a spy, how come?
[01:14] spies8lilith: I was reading interactions with Alexei and his chats.
[01:14] spies8lilith: It felt like he didn't say hi or bye to you. And you two didn't interact or seem to question eachother in chat.
[01:14] spies8lilith: And once he addressed everyone and asked for their opinions, and you leave.
[01:14] spies8lilith: And then when someone asks you a direct question, you said you returned.
[01:14] spies8jenny: When was it exactly?
[01:15] spies8jenny: I might be able to answer what I was doing at the time.
[01:18] spies8lilith: I'd hgave to look it up, lol.
[01:18] spies8jenny: Okies.
[01:19] spies8lilith: I am TERRIBLE at finding these things. I'll be honest, I haven't read a lot of the threads, just bits here and there that interested me (Alexei's interaction). Since being a replacement, I decided it'd be too hard to catch up on EVERYTHING, so I decided to just try to settle in the here and now and base people's reads on how they interact with me and explain their suspcions.
[01:26] spies8lilith: Sorry, I was chatting with Claude, LOL.
[01:26] spies8lilith: What was your reaction to Alexei getting out?
[01:47] spies8jenny: Sorry bout the slow response, falling asleep a bit, probably going to go to be dsoon.

Anyways, I didn't mind Lexi going out really, I just wanted to wait a little bit to make sure he he wasn't just a cit giving mu because he was suspected.
[01:48] spies8lilith: What about him flipping spy though?
[01:50] spies8jenny: Awesome we got a spy, one down 6 to go. Not really sure what you're asking there.
[01:50] spies8lilith: I mean, were you surprised?
[01:50] spies8jenny: A little, but mostly because it was the first day then anything that had to do with him.
[01:51] spies8lilith: Her were your main suscpions? Then?, or Now is probably a better question, lol.
[01:51] spies8jenny: Who you mean?
[01:51] spies8jenny: At the time was Zeddy obviously, since I voted him that day.
[01:53] spies8jenny: Going to head to bed for now, got work in the morning and it's already getting late. You going to be on tomorrow?
[01:53] spies8lilith: I might actually not be :-(
[01:53] spies8lilith: Unless it's late
[01:54] spies8jenny: Awww, how come?
[01:54] spies8lilith: We'll see, I might be busy the next few days >_<.
[01:54] spies8jenny: July 4th weekend?
[01:54] spies8lilith: Ya, lol.

Sunday, July 4, 2010 01:10:01
[01:10] spies8jenny: Hi Lily!
[01:10] spies8jenny: You see the imprisonment yet?
[01:10] spies8lilith: Hello :-)
[01:10] spies8lilith: Yes :-(
[01:10] spies8lilith: Although it does say third party, I still think she was useful.
[01:10] spies8jenny: That's what I'm currently trying to tell these guys.
[01:10] spies8lilith: Also to note: Exile 3 she wanted Mag to go over Themba
[01:10] spies8jenny: Ni-Ni had claimed it to me before thinking I was a spy, and hoping not to get imprisoned.
[01:10] spies8lilith:
[01:10] spies8lilith: Intersting
[01:10] spies8lilith: lol
[01:10] spies8lilith: She though you were a spy then? LOL
[01:10] spies8jenny: And I'm trying to tell them that there was no point in telling people about it, as long as she agreed to help the cits.
[01:10] spies8lilith: *thought
[01:11] spies8lilith: She would tell spies so that they don't imprison her
[01:11] spies8jenny: All it would have done is make the town go "OH NO, THIRD PARTY, KILL IT, KILL IT!"
[01:11] spies8jenny: And it'd still not be a spy exile.
[01:13] spies8jenny: I'll probably want to talk to you for a while, but I don't have any specific questions right now. Just hoping to have a chat at some point when there's time.
[01:15] spies8lilith: Ok :-).
[01:15] spies8jenny: Happy 4th of July!
[01:15] spies8lilith: Thank you, you are sweet :-).
[01:23] spies8jenny: Anything you want to bring up while you're here?
[01:25] spies8lilith: No ... lol.
[01:26] spies8jenny: You ever manage to get caught up with everything?
[01:30] spies8lilith: Not EVERYTHING, I was content with being knowledgeable about the here and now, but NOW there is a bunch of new people in the mix.
[01:31] spies8jenny: Yaaaay people!
[01:32] spies8lilith: I'm on vacation at the moment, so I won't really be able to attempt to do stuff and focus on it until Monday unfortunately.
[01:32] spies8jenny: That's a pretty good reason.

Tuesday, July 6, 2010 00:58:38
[00:58] spies8jenny: Hi Lily!
[00:58] spies8jenny:
[00:58] spies8lilith: Hello :-)
[00:59] spies8jenny: How are you?
[00:59] spies8lilith: Good
[01:00] spies8jenny: Time to get caught up huh?
[01:03] spies8lilith: I guess... lol.
[01:33] spies8lilith: Invite please
[01:33] spies8jenny:
[01:34] spies8lilith: Does it say I am in the chat room?
[01:34] spies8jenny: You see an invite now?
[01:34] spies8jenny: Was having problems getting it to go before.
[01:34] spies8lilith: I accepted the invite, but it's not doing anything.
[01:34] spies8jenny: Hmm.
[01:35] spies8jenny: If you aren't already, try using meebo. I can't seem to get normal AIM to do group chats for some reason, maybe you have the same problem.
[01:35] spies8lilith: I downloaded Pidgin
[01:35] spies8jenny: I've never used that, so I can't help there.
[01:37] spies8lilith: I guess I am going to try Meebo.
[01:38] spies8jenny: Okies!
[01:38] spies8lilith: Oh, I don't even have to download it, lol.
[01:38] spies8jenny: I know!
[01:38] spies8jenny: It's nice!
[01:38] spies8jenny: I can get on at work!
[01:38] spies8lilith: Invite?
[01:38] spies8jenny: Don't even need one really. See the picture of 3 people talking above the buddy list?
[01:39] spies8jenny: Click that, and type in spies8 and you should be in.

Tuesday, July 6, 2010 01:41:19
[01:41] spies8jenny: You on meebo now?
[01:41] spies8lilith: Now I am back on regular AIM to see if Sam is online.
[01:41] spies8jenny: He's not it seems.
[01:41] spies8lilith: It is something specific about this account.
[01:41] spies8jenny: You sure?
[01:41] spies8lilith: Yes, it lets me go into chats with other AIM screennames.
[01:42] spies8lilith: I can't get into ANY chats on this screenname.
[01:42] spies8jenny: Have you tried meebo yet?
[01:42] spies8lilith: Yes, I tried Pidgin and Meebo.
[01:42] spies8jenny: hmm
[01:42] spies8jenny: weird.
[01:42] spies8lilith: I was just on meebo talking to you :-P.
[01:42] spies8jenny: Oh I thought you hadn't switched yet.
[01:42] spies8jenny: I end up using meebo exclusively specifically because of group chats myself.
[01:51] spies8jenny: Any luck?
[01:51] spies8lilith: No, I am downloading different versions of AIM now... lol.
[01:52] spies8jenny: Hope you find one that works.
[01:58] spies8lilith: I am reading up, and I think either Sam or the old Lilith had a Parental Control setting on that is restricting me from being in chats after 12:24am.
[01:58] spies8jenny: ...
[01:58] spies8jenny: *sigh*
[01:58] spies8jenny: I'll let the group know.
[01:58] spies8lilith: It lets me on using other screennames. And I have noticied each time it happens it's been around the same exact time.
[01:59] spies8lilith: I'd have to check the chats, but I noticed it was between this hour, and today I noted the time exactly (24 after).
[02:25] spies8jenny: Alright, well even if you can't use the group chat thing.
[02:25] spies8lilith: :-D
[02:25] spies8jenny: We can still talk and stuff.
[02:25] spies8lilith: Ok :-D.
[02:25] spies8lilith: I am doing forum stuff.
[02:25] spies8lilith: Responding to Broderick.
[02:25] spies8lilith: And then making my own post .
[02:25] spies8jenny: So who are you thinking so far?
[02:28] spies8lilith: What did I miss about the Allan thing?
[02:28] spies8lilith: It just doesn't make sense to me, I think I didn't get all the information though, lol.
[02:28] spies8jenny: Okies, apparently.
[02:28] spies8jenny: Al got a message in his confessional.
[02:29] spies8lilith: I think I finally just got what owen was saying.
[02:29] spies8jenny: It claimed to be from Savanny from the Viewer's Lounge, saying that Gabe-Gabe was the doctor and that Ni-Ni was being protected the first night.
[02:29] spies8lilith: A spy messenger sent something to Allan?
[02:29] spies8lilith: Is what Owen is suggesting - I mean.
[02:29] spies8jenny: Al apparently talked to Owen about it, and sent him a copy of the message.
[02:29] spies8jenny: Using Al's power to do so.
[02:30] spies8jenny: After Chance's remark about the doctor came out, and I got to talk with owen about what I knew of it.
[02:30] spies8jenny: Owen came out and said what he knew of it.
[02:30] spies8jenny: There's no way that they'd allow a dead player to send messages to the living, role or not.
[02:31] spies8jenny: So it has to be a spy with the same role that Savanny had. We've seen messengers on both teams before in a past game, so it's not impossible either.
[02:31] spies8jenny: That pretended to be Savanny.
[02:32] spies8jenny: Speaking of which by the way, when you put your vote on Al, you sounded like you already knew that Al wasn't the doctor. How come?
[02:32] spies8jenny: I mean that Gabe-Gabe wasn't.
[02:32] spies8jenny: Blargity.
[02:34] spies8jenny: You still there?
[02:36] spies8lilith: Yes, finishing writing up something, brb.
[02:36] spies8jenny: Okies
[02:46] spies8jenny: Looks like you finished posting, could you answer my question when you get a moment?
[02:52] spies8lilith: What do you want me to say? :-P
[02:52] spies8jenny: It sounded like you already knew that Gabe-Gabe wasn't a spy, before you knew what was going on with the whole messenger thing. How come?
[02:53] spies8jenny: I mean not spy
[02:53] spies8jenny: doctor
[02:53] spies8jenny: blarg, it's 3 am, I fail at typing.
[02:53] spies8lilith: Lol.
[02:53] spies8lilith: What do you think I am going to tell you? :-P
[02:53] spies8jenny: An answer?
[02:54] spies8jenny: The first thing that came to mind really was that either the doc claimed to you, or that you are the doctor, which is why I didn't want to bring it up in the group chat.
[02:55] spies8jenny: "Hey let's tell 11 other people that you are or know who the doctor is, what could possibly go wrong?"
[02:55] spies8lilith: Huh?
[03:00] spies8jenny: When you put a nomination on Al, you did so because you said that Al was lying about Gabe-Gabe being the doctor, because it wasn't him. But it sounds like you weren't exactly clear on what was going on with that at the time yet. So I was curious what made you say that, because the only thing thing that came to mind when I thought it over was that you knew who the doctor was somehow or another, and thus would know that it wasn't Gabe-Gabe.
[03:07] spies8jenny: Could be entierly wrong though, which is why I wanted to ask you what made you say that.
[03:15] spies8jenny: Hey Lily?
[03:15] spies8lilith: Yes?
[03:15] spies8jenny: I saw you edited your original post, but your quoted version of the post looks the same. You might want to adjust that too.
[03:16] spies8jenny: The one you're retracting your vote in I mean has the original wording of your vote allan post.
[03:16] spies8lilith: ?
[03:16] spies8jenny: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=burg&thread=884&post=4751
[03:18] spies8jenny: Weird. Edits not working right for some reason?
[03:19] spies8lilith: Everything is good now.
[03:19] spies8jenny: I assume you weren't trying to triple post there.

And I'm not trying to pick on you at all, just wanting to help point out where it was.
[03:20] spies8jenny: Okies, looks like it worked that way.
[03:21] spies8jenny: Yay!
[03:26] spies8lilith: Are you a spy Jenny?
[03:26] spies8jenny: nope!
[03:27] spies8jenny: I imagine that didn't really help you though.
[03:27] spies8lilith: I know.
[03:27] spies8jenny: Did I get to show you my board game note charts?
[03:28] spies8lilith: No ?
[03:28] spies8jenny: Came up in the group chat earlier. Slightly outdated after what came up tonight already, but I can show you what I showed them earlier.
[03:28] spies8lilith: You are playing a board game?
[03:28] spies8lilith: Bad joke, heh.
[03:29] spies8jenny: i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture106.jpg

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[03:29] spies8jenny: Orange side - Top is confirmed citizens (which is pretty much just me and the dead cits), and goes down from there.

Blue side - Top is confirmed spies (meaning Lexi), and goes down from there, until you hit darth maul, and then it's people I just plain don't know yet about.

[03:32] spies8jenny: Spice was asking me about my suspicions after wondering how looking for cits helped, and I figured it'd be easiest to show that.
[03:33] spies8lilith: How do you have a list for every single one of us?
[03:33] spies8lilith: I guess for me, there's several people who I would just put in the middle since I haven't spoken to them yet.
[03:34] spies8jenny: What do you mean a list for everyone? Why wouldn't I put everyone on there?
[03:35] spies8lilith: I mean, for me, I haven't been ABLE to analyze everyone.
[03:35] spies8jenny: That's what the group under darth maul is for, the ones I just don't know yet for, or haven't really gotten to see yet.
[03:36] spies8lilith: ah, ok
[03:36] spies8lilith: I can't see your pictures very well, who are your top suspects? :-p
[03:36] spies8jenny: yeah it's a little blurry
[03:36] spies8jenny: that's what happens with a shaky hand.
[03:37] spies8jenny: the highest one is obviously lexi, then the three below that are stephi, zeddy, and maggie, although I'm going to move her down a bit when I get a chance.
[03:37] spies8jenny: claude was the one below that
[03:38] spies8jenny: and then the next group of three is ricky, rondie, and lucky, although lucky I've since moved to the orange side after what happened tonight.
[03:38] spies8lilith: Who are Lucky and Ricky?
[03:38] spies8jenny: After that you can probably see it ok.
[03:38] spies8lilith: Chance? And Broderick?
[03:38] spies8lilith: lol
[03:39] spies8jenny: Lucky = Chance
Ricky = Broderick
[03:39] spies8lilith: kk
[03:41] spies8lilith: I'm going to bed, sorry.
[03:41] spies8jenny: Okies!
[03:41] spies8lilith: I am thinking of voting you for nomination, lol.
[03:41] spies8jenny: Aww, how come?
[03:42] spies8lilith: My initial read from reading transcripts was that you were a spy. Talking to you, the niceness covers that really well.
[03:42] spies8lilith: The picture thing just throws me off COMPLETELY on what to think.
[03:42] spies8jenny: Hopefully in a good way at least
[03:43] spies8jenny: Oh hey, Sammy just came on, if you want to tell him about the parental control problem
[03:44] spies8lilith: I am :-P.
[03:44] spies8jenny: Okies, good

I really don't get what most of the case seems to be on me though. As far as I can tell, I'm suspicious because I'm giving information?
[03:45] spies8lilith: You asking me why I thought Gabe wasn't the doctor strikes me as a little suspect, to be honest.
[03:45] spies8jenny: Which you never really did answer
[03:46] spies8lilith: Nobody else asked me though. They only said don't talk about it. I just find it odd you're the only one to ask me :-p.
[03:47] spies8jenny: Well if I read it as you possibly knowing who the doctor is, then I figure I can't be the only one.
[03:47] spies8jenny: Which is why I was glad to help point out where you still needed to edit, after I noticed you were doing that.
[03:49] spies8jenny: No need to let possible spies see that and wonder the same thing.
[03:50] spies8lilith: Everyone will wonder it now :-P.
[03:50] spies8jenny: Why? I asked you in private, not the group chat.
[03:50] spies8lilith: I think they will though, lol.
[03:51] spies8lilith: Atleast someone on tonight was a spy :-P.
[03:51] spies8lilith: And will pass it along.
[03:51] spies8lilith: Or someone will see I edited a bunch and wonder.
[03:51] spies8jenny: Well hopefully the rest of the spies are as clever as the one that decided to pose as a dead player talking from the viewer's area.
[03:52] spies8jenny: If anyone asks about the edited post though along with the triple post thing, just say you were trying to fix some spelling or something.
[03:59] spies8jenny: Alright I got work in the morning myself, so maybe we can talk more tomorrow
[04:00] spies8jenny: Night!
[04:00] spies8lilith: Night!

Tuesday, July 6, 2010 16:11:46
[16:11] spies8jenny: Hi Lily!
[16:11] spies8lilith: Hi Jenny!
[16:12] spies8lilith: Awww, why'd you have to get on now? lol
[16:12] spies8jenny: Why, are you about to leave?
[16:12] spies8lilith: Yes .
[16:12] spies8lilith: And I had questions for you.
[16:12] spies8jenny: Awwww
[16:12] spies8lilith: Like why did you keep Nita's role claim secret?
[16:12] spies8lilith: And why did you reveal it after she died? :-P
[16:12] spies8jenny: Well if it helps, I just posted a wall of text and a youtube video just about that.
[16:12] spies8jenny:
[16:12] spies8lilith: Youtube video?
[16:12] spies8jenny: Yes.
[16:12] spies8jenny: It was fitting.
[16:15] spies8lilith: Who do you intend to vote for?
[16:16] spies8jenny: I'm still deciding. Considering switching it to stephi, but I'm still working on figuring out a final vote.
[16:16] spies8jenny: I don't even have anything official in my confessional yet about it.
[16:17] spies8lilith: Errr, suspect someone I don't think is town :-P.
[16:17] spies8jenny: Well who do you think it is? Besides me, you told me that one last night.
[16:17] spies8lilith: I don't think it is you at this moment.
[16:18] spies8lilith: It doesn't make sense to me, if you were a spy, why reveal you KNEW about Nita being a third party.
[16:18] spies8lilith: A spy wouldn't do that.
[16:18] spies8lilith: I don't think.
[16:18] spies8jenny: Problem is everyone keeps trying to wifom it.
[16:18] spies8jenny: Which I think is silly. As much talk as WIFOM gets in these games, the only times I ever really see it mattering is when it's called "Bussing".
[16:21] spies8jenny: Like I said in my wall of text, part of the reason I brought it up was because I knew that as soon as it came out, people would freak out and assume nothing she ever did or said was trustworthy anymore. It's exactly what happened last game when another third party was killed, and in the meantime the person is laughing from the viewer's lounge that they were being honest about their suspicions the whole time anyways.
[16:22] spies8jenny: And everyone got a laugh over how much people were fretting over it when it turned out to be needless anxiety.
[16:29] spies8lilith: Ahhh, I got to go, I made a post if you want to read it.
[16:29] spies8lilith: I'll be on later.
[16:29] spies8lilith: Ta-ta.

18:20] spies8lilith: Did you and Lawrence talk after or before I went offline earlier?
[18:20] spies8jenny: Hi Lily!

Yeah we talked for a few minutes.
[18:22] spies8jenny: Why do you ask?
[18:23] spies8lilith: I think Lawrence is spyish.
[18:23] spies8jenny: I've heard a few people say that, but I've yet to really hear much about why.
[18:45] spies8jenny: Just checked what we talked about after seeing your post.
[18:45] spies8lilith: ?
[18:45] spies8jenny: We actually didn't go into stephi much, I mostly brought him up to speed with what happened last night.
[18:46] spies8lilith: What do you mean?
[18:46] spies8jenny: 16:19] spies8lawrence: And trying to decide which is the better strategy for nominations--give Owen as much choice as I can, or just go with the person I think is most suspicious. Of course, it may not be mutually exclusive from the looks of things.
[16:20] spies8jenny: Who are you suspecting for the time being?
[16:21] spies8lawrence: Magalie is still my top suspect. Followed by Chance, Stephanie and Isaac to lesser degrees; Jasmine, Brody, Tina, and Gertie trying to watch closely.
[16:22] spies8jenny: Chance doesn't make sense to me as a spy after what happened last night.
[16:23] spies8lawrence: What happened?
[16:23] spies8lawrence: I haven't gotten to the log thread yet.
[18:46] spies8jenny: After that I just told him about the whole spy messenger thing that came up last night, and soon after that I had to leave work.
[18:47] spies8lilith: Wait, what happened with Chance?
[18:47] spies8jenny: Lucky had posted a thread on me saying he suspected me after Al came out and said that he found out Gabe-Gabe was the doctor.
[18:48] spies8jenny: Not long after that the reason he thought that came out, and he apparently got a message in his confessional saying as such, apparently from Savanny from the Viewer's area.
[18:48] spies8jenny: Which is a load of dookie that Sammy would ever allow a role to be used after they died.
[18:48] spies8jenny: Which means it's likely a spy version of the same role, especially since there was one on both teams the last time this role came up.
[18:49] spies8lilith: How does that make Chance look better?
[18:49] spies8jenny: To me that makes it less likely that Lucky is a spy, because it doesn't make sense for him to post a case on me based on what he would have known to have been from a spy role, instead of just copying reasons other people had already said. The whole reason we figured out that spy messenger thing was because he put that case up.
[18:49] spies8jenny: And to heck with WIFOM.
[19:07] spies8lilith: Did you tell Lawrence you suspected Steph?
[19:07] spies8jenny: I don't think so, but let me look to be sure.
[19:08] spies8jenny: Nope, just asked him who he thought of, and then we talked about Lucky.
[19:08] spies8lilith: What happened after that?
[19:08] spies8jenny: I shut down the work computer, and drove home.
[19:08] spies8lilith: You are doing this at work!? lol
[19:08] spies8jenny: Meebo is really helpful.
[19:08] spies8lilith: I'm going to fire you and take your position .
[19:08] spies8jenny:
[19:09] spies8jenny: We were shutting down for the day by then. The last hour is pretty much just backing things up, and closing everything out.
[19:10] spies8lilith: Can you get me a job?

[Jenny]

Sunday, July 4, 2010 22:41:43
[22:41] spies8magalie: Hold on i have to talk to you but i got to find my charger
[22:51] spies8magalie: Okay i found it
[22:51] spies8jenny: Hi there!
[22:51] spies8magalie: Hi jenn
[22:51] spies8jenny: So what did you want to talk about?
[22:52] spies8magalie: You needed to talk to me
[22:52] spies8magalie: Tina told me
[22:52] spies8magalie: Lol
[22:52] spies8jenny: Oh okies, it just sounded like you were saying you had something to ask me.
[22:53] spies8jenny: I was mostly saying that I hadn't seen you since exile and wanted to see you on more.

So what are you thinking so far after that last imprisonment?
[22:58] spies8magalie: Well claude seems kinda scummy
[22:59] spies8magalie: Lol sorry i was making ramen noodles

[Jenny]

Friday, July 2, 2010 00:16:40
[00:16] spies8jenny: How come you forgot to vote?

Friday, July 2, 2010 13:34:54
[13:34] spies8jenny: I do wish claude would stop being ridiculous over his hate of alias's.
[13:35] spies8mary: He has fun with me sometimes.
[13:35] spies8jenny: Usually when I see him, and the issue comes up he just complains that it's a waste of time.
[13:36] spies8mary: I think the game would be pretty boring if everyone was like Claude.
[13:36] spies8jenny: It's not that really, so much as he really should have known what he was signing up for, considering it was plastered all over the rules and info and application stuff.
[13:37] spies8mary: I've been able to find Spies in the past while still having fun.
[13:37] spies8mary: Sometimes people's characters actually draw the Spies out.
[13:38] spies8jenny: It has less to do with catching spies, and more to do with he doesn't really have any reason to complain about the roleplaying and having to write confessionals, and the alias's, considering it's always been advertized as major parts of the game. It's like going out to a pasta place and then complaining that they don't serve tacos.
[13:38] spies8mary: True.
[13:39] spies8jenny: It's like, what the heck were you expecting to happen?
[13:40] spies8mary: I'm reading last night's chat now. I was barely watching as it happened, on and off.
[13:41] spies8mary: It looks like Magalie and Themba got nominated, and we made a halfhearted case on Magalie while they made aggressive cases on Jasmine and Themba.
[13:41] spies8mary: Which made Themba the easy choice for both Spies and Citizens over there.
[13:41] spies8jenny: It's more like we tried to tell them about Maggie, and they kept interupting and saying themby should be picked anyways.
[13:42] spies8jenny: Kind of think the republicans should have been told to be a bit quieter while we told them our thoughts on it.
[13:43] spies8mary: Let me look at our Magalie thread and how it ended up.
[13:43] spies8jenny: Okies!
[13:43] spies8mary: Only three people posted.
[13:43] spies8mary: Awohali, me and Cory.
[13:44] spies8mary: And Awohali's first point was "she's not very active".
[13:44] spies8jenny: I would have posted in it, but the points I would have said were already pointed out by you guys. No need to lengthen it to say the same thing.
[13:44] spies8mary: That is a terrible point to lead with.
[13:44] spies8mary: 2. Magalie's reasoning for voting suspicions are poor.
[13:44] spies8jenny: Especially when it's supposed to be a concise summary for them to read.
[13:44] spies8mary: 3. She was detrimental to our team during the final challenge.
[13:44] spies8mary: 4. She has not, to my knowledge, asked many questions or done any Spy hunting.
[13:45] spies8mary: Those all basically describe Margot.
[13:45] spies8jenny: I wouldn't know about that so much, I hadn't followed the democrat team closely during the first episode.
[13:45] spies8mary: Margotr got exiled for being a lazy Citizen, basically.
[13:48] spies8mary: What do you think of Owen, Tina and Lilith?
[13:49] spies8jenny: Owen, I'd been leaning cit on, but I hadn't really seen enough on him yet to be perfectly sure. Tini, I've been thinknig is a cit ever since the first exile finished, and Lily I haven't seen nearly enough to make any sort of judgement.
[13:51] spies8mary: What gave you your strong Cit read on Themba?
[13:52] spies8mary: I remember you saying she was not really an option for you at Savannah's exile.
[13:52] spies8jenny: Conversations we'd had during the first episode we talked made no sense to me for her to be a spy really.
[13:52] spies8mary: Did you share that with people? Did they listen?
[13:53] spies8jenny: For example, the one that comes up off the top of my head, that yes I did tell people about was when teams were first sent out.
[13:53] spies8jenny: She had accidently posted her bio in your forum, and I IM'd her to correct her on it.
[13:53] spies8jenny: At first she edits her post out, but a few minutes later she comes out and asks me what I'm talking about, and asks if I'm worried about the spies being revealed.
[13:54] spies8mary: That's odd.
[13:54] spies8jenny: I had to ask a couple people to help me try to explain what was going on with teams, because I wasn't really getting it across to her.
[13:54] spies8mary: What else?
[13:54] spies8jenny: That's the big one that I can think of off the top of my head, let me go through my logs to see what else came up.
[13:55] spies8mary: Oh, you don't have to.
[13:55] spies8mary: I'm more curious to know who was receptive to evidence and who wasn't.
[13:55] spies8jenny: But in general, some of the conversations we had the first episode came off to me as "confused citizen" over being a spy.
[13:57] spies8jenny: The few people I did talk to did try to help me out, but she ended up going afk for a while by then, so I think in the end Judge Sam probably helped her out.
[13:58] spies8mary: Zed and Kiara voted Themba twice. But so did Nita once.
[13:59] spies8mary: Are you glad we voted Magalie instead of no exile?
[14:00] spies8jenny: Honestly, I would have prefered a nomination of myself over a no exile.

Remember last game when we had this same situation came up, and the freemasons decided ahead of time they'd just send the person the other side picked to be exiled? It turned into an episode long break for the freemasons, and it got to the point that one person was being shot down for even trying to bring up discussion.

To heck with that happening a second time.
[14:03] spies8jenny: And by the way, I didn't get to say before, thanks for going with the idea I had suggested about putting up a topic for the republicans to read about our likely cases and expanding on it.
[14:04] spies8mary: It didn't work out too well.
[14:04] spies8jenny: Maybe, but at least it was tried.
[14:05] spies8jenny: Better then freemasoning the whole episode.

Monday, July 5, 2010 13:19:33
[13:19] spies8jenny: Don't want to interuppt the chat going on right now, so I'll just tell you here.
[13:19] spies8jenny: 12:57] spies8dane: For nomination, it will probably be between Stephanie, Claude, and Zedekiah
[12:57] spies8dane: and possibly chance

[17:04] spies8jenny: You still away?
[17:05] spies8mary: Hi.
[17:05] spies8mary: I'm on the phone but still around.
[17:05] spies8jenny: Okies, just curious if you caught up in the chat.
[17:06] spies8mary: I will in a moment. Anything specific I should read?
[17:06] spies8jenny: Well I came back with my pictures right after you left, and then we talked about Zeddy some more.
[17:08] spies8mary: I'm looking at those now.
[17:13] spies8mary: What do you think of Cinnamyn?
[17:13] spies8mary: And Rondak?
[17:14] spies8mary: That talk they just had was bizarre.
[17:14] spies8jenny: I don't even know right now really.
[17:15] spies8mary: That was about the lamest fight I've ever seen.
[17:15] spies8mary: I'll move this chat to the group chat so Cory's not left out.
[17:15] spies8jenny: Sure.
[20:09] spies8jenny: Okies, since Jas wants to be stubborn for some reason, you seen Kitty around lately? She's been on for about 2 days straight now, but I've never seen her be around.
[23:36] spies8mary: It looks like you got your answer.
[23:36] spies8jenny: Yep, came back a little bit ago! Yaay!

[Jenny]

Friday, July 2, 2010 00:32:11
[00:32] spies8jenny: Hi Tini!
[00:32] spies8tina: Hello again.
[00:56] spies8jenny: So how have you been?
[00:57] spies8tina: Not too bad, sort of wishing I was around before exile.
[00:57] spies8tina: Am not sure I would have changed anything, but apparently a lot happened.
[00:57] spies8tina: Went out to eat with friends though and a few detours were made.
[00:57] spies8jenny: It ended up between Maggie and Themby. Maggie had a landslide of votes, Themby's was more close.
[00:58] spies8jenny: And then obviously Themby got picked for the actual exile.
[00:58] spies8tina: It was an odd episode over on Rep side.
[00:58] spies8tina: I think I was the only person making bigger cases.
[00:59] spies8jenny: I do wish the people I think are cits would stop dying, it's getting rather obnoxious.
[01:00] spies8jenny: First Savanny, then Gabe-Gabe, and now Themby.

Friday, July 2, 2010 21:40:11
[21:40] spies8jenny: I can try to give the short version.
[21:40] spies8tina: ?
[21:40] spies8jenny: The movie tries to be based on the cartoon, so I'll just explain that.
[21:40] spies8tina: Oh ok.
[21:40] spies8jenny: Four nations, all based on the usual fantasy elements.
[21:40] spies8jenny: Fire, Earth, Air, Water.
[21:41] spies8jenny: people from each nation can control their own element, in a way that resembles different martial art styles.

One guy called the avatar has the ability to control all four, and their job is to keep the peace.
[21:41] spies8jenny: One day he vanishes for 100 years, and the fire nation starts a war in his absense. The usual take over the world bit.
[21:43] spies8jenny: 100 years later, the avatar is found frozen in an iceburg underwater, and looks to be about ten. Finds out what's happened, and now he has to go learn all the other elements and stop the fire nation from taking over the world.

It's called the last airbender because to start the war, the fire nation kills off all the airbenders hoping to keep the new avatar from being born, knowing he'd be born in that nation next.
[21:44] spies8jenny: It's actually a pretty good show, not one you'd normally expect to see on Nickelodeon. Got a pretty good following too. Took three seasons to tell the story, and got a bunch of awards in the process.
[21:45] spies8jenny: The movie that just came out was based on the first season.
[21:45] spies8tina: So it is going to be a trilogy?
[21:45] spies8jenny: Unless it manages to do so badly in theaters that they don't bother.
[21:46] spies8jenny: I doubt that'd happen though, so expect to see two more in the next few years.
[21:46] spies8tina: I never see many movies, they cost too much.
[21:47] spies8jenny: I hear that. This and toy story 3 is the first time I've bothered in about a year.
[21:47] spies8tina: I keep putting off seeing it.
[21:47] spies8tina: Always forget to go untill it is past the cheap time.
[21:51] spies8jenny: Honestly, I'd suggest looking up the cartoon first.
[21:51] spies8jenny: I think the movie assumes you've seen the original show.
[21:52] spies8tina: Only problem there is my personality. If I like it I end up watch the entire everything in a very short time span by using all my free time to do it.
[21:52] spies8jenny: So in other words, wait until you're done with spies right?
[21:52] spies8tina: Like how in the past month and a half I have rewatched seasons 1-17 of survivor.
[21:52] spies8jenny: Ouch.
[21:52] spies8tina: Yep.
[21:52] spies8tina: I can't stop.
[21:52] spies8jenny: Well at least there's only three seasons for this.
[21:52] spies8jenny: So it wouldn't take nearly that long.
[21:53] spies8tina: I guess.
[21:53] spies8jenny: But yeah, maybe you should wait til spies is done for you in one form or another.
[21:53] spies8jenny: Speaking of which, anything new come up lately?
[21:54] spies8tina: Not much, still trying to pick through last exile.
[21:54] spies8tina: Feel people just followed around my main points and that was that.
[21:55] spies8tina: Still think the Isaac on is decent though, so he will be one nom. Magalie will probably be another at this point.
[21:55] spies8jenny: One nom?
[21:55] spies8jenny: Oh nominee.
[21:56] spies8tina: om nom nom?
[21:56] spies8jenny: Nom nom pizza that I'm eating.

Sunday, July 4, 2010 00:10:35
[00:10] spies8jenny: Hi Tini!
[00:10] spies8tina: Hello.
[00:11] spies8jenny: How are you doing?
[00:11] spies8tina: Still trying to figure things out.
[00:11] spies8tina: I have a whole lot of "one of these two" things.
[00:11] spies8jenny: Such as?
[00:11] spies8tina: One of Isaac and Law, one of Isaac and Jasmine are the big two.
[00:12] spies8jenny: The Ni-Ni imprisonment didn't exactly help anything.
[00:12] spies8tina: If Brod is spy I think that eliminated Steph and Jasmine as spy, but that isn't a one or the other.
[00:13] spies8tina: Isaac and Jasmine are my big question marks.
[00:13] spies8tina: I feel more comfortable with an Isaac vote by far, but im wondering if in part it is due to me thinking that for a long time.
[00:14] spies8tina: Just the way votes happened last time shocked me.
[00:14] spies8tina: I was thinking Isaac and Law would get at least three votes.
[01:41] spies8tina: Am I being paranoid or does that sound like could be spy sending to wrong chat?
[01:41] spies8jenny: That's kind of what I was thinking too at first.
[01:42] spies8tina: I would almost like Brod to be spy since it would help some of my reads.
[01:42] spies8tina: I see almost zero way he is spy with Steph or Jasmine.
[01:42] spies8jenny: I just wish he'd stop acting like a prick.
[01:42] spies8tina: Yeah he is good at that.
[01:55] spies8tina: Am I really the only one who thinks that line makes zero sense as a cit to have said.
[01:55] spies8tina: I hate paranoia, but it just feels wrong.
[01:55] spies8jenny: That lurking is a spy move?
[01:55] spies8tina: That he sent something to the wrong window.
[01:55] spies8jenny: I'd agree if it was a longstanding thing, but for a whole 15 minutes?
[02:03] spies8jenny: Yeeeah...
[02:03] spies8jenny: Um. No.
[02:03] spies8tina: Am I insane here?
[02:03] spies8jenny: Maybe, but that's a seperate issue.
[02:04] spies8tina: Well am I insane for thinking I see what I see.
[02:04] spies8jenny: That depends. Are you seeing a magical leoplurodon?
[02:04] spies8tina: Leoplurodon?
[02:06] spies8jenny: Of course, that would imply he was talking to someone else that was on AIM at the moment.
[02:06] spies8tina: Yep.
[02:06] spies8tina: I think this smells fishy.
[02:06] spies8jenny: If nothing else, he needs a smack upside the head. \
[02:07] spies8tina: Especially his "lol I was generating discussion guyz" response/
[02:08] spies8jenny: Let's see, besides us and him, there's cory, kitty, and owen on. With Kitty marked as away.
[02:08] spies8jenny: Unless they were invisible or something.

Oh and Lily was on too.
[02:14] spies8tina: Gert was online and left right after too.
[02:16] spies8jenny: Good to note.
[02:16] spies8tina: I just have that paranoid feeling over it.
[02:16] spies8tina: Feels out of his character to make those statements.
[02:31] spies8jenny: Could easily just be him being a doodie head, but might as well prepare.

Sunday, July 4, 2010 15:09:36
[15:09] spies8jenny: Something to think about though.
[15:09] spies8jenny: With the number of people in the room, we might as well either post the whole thing, or trust that nobody in the room is a spy.
[15:10] spies8jenny: I've got the extra part hidden in my confessional for the time being.

Monday, July 5, 2010 00:00:21
[00:00] spies8tina: Have you been able to talk with Magalie yet?
[00:00] spies8jenny: A little bit. It looks like she's on her phone right now.
[00:01] spies8jenny: Says she suspects Claude right now.
[00:01] spies8jenny: You?
[00:01] spies8tina: Right, I heard that too from her.
[00:02] spies8tina: Just wondering since it seemed like you were waiting on her before anything concrete happened.
[00:05] spies8jenny: It's not that there were specific things I wanted to ask, so much as it seemed like she might have gone back to not really being around at all. Like I said though, it's possible it was just because of the holiday, so I wasn't sure yet exactly with that.

Thanks for getting her to talk to me though, I appreciate it.
[00:05] spies8tina: Come up with thoughts on staying on her or changing?
[00:06] spies8jenny: Like I said before, I'm really not sure where I'm going to put my nomination for now.
[00:07] spies8jenny: Still trying to piece together what I know so far to see what makes sense.
[00:07] spies8jenny: Al says he's vanishing for a while, so that he doesn't seem like a good spy target, although I hope he doesn't completely disappear even more then he usually does.
[00:08] spies8tina: I think he overestimates his chance of being imprisoned.
[00:09] spies8tina: Sure he has a role, but as long as there are "likely cit" players around, they tend to be bigger threats.
[00:09] spies8tina: Would rather he just play the game.
[00:11] spies8jenny: Yeah, but he said that and left while I was having lunch.
[00:11] spies8jenny: So I couldn't jump in before he left to keep him from doing that.

Monday, July 5, 2010 21:09:25
[21:09] spies8jenny: Rats, I thought I had something. I'm talking with Zeddy, and he's saying he was trying to go into more detail because someone had asked about giving a full testimony. I remembered that happening, and I thought that maybe I had something with that, and whoever said that at the very least wouldn't be a spy with Zeddy.

And then I go and look, and it was Gabe-Gabe.

Darn it.
[21:10] spies8tina: I really wish I could just get Zeks alignment.
[21:10] spies8tina: I continually question my read on him, but its hard to turn back what I have been thinking since hour 6 of the game.
[21:11] spies8tina: There was that lapse over the HQ thing, but apparently that was not a point given that is an unfortunate term he likes to use.
[21:14] spies8jenny: Yeah, as much as I'd hate to turn around and go "nevermind" about Zeddy at this point, I'm not sure what to think about him sometimes.
[21:15] spies8tina: This vote I am competely stuck on though.
[21:15] spies8tina: Everyone are in these little circles.
[21:15] spies8tina: I just cannot find the spy link to start breaking them all apart.
[21:15] spies8jenny: Same here, I've been debating for the last few days about where to go with it really. The one I posted in that thread I put up isn't even official, I don't have anything in my confessional yet for it.
[21:17] spies8jenny: Who are you looking at for the time being?
[21:18] spies8tina: Well, I have gone mostly between Isaac and yourself, but I can not shake a few gut feelings I have on Brod.
[21:18] spies8tina: I almost want to nom him just to make a point.
[21:18] spies8jenny: About saying stupid things?
[21:18] spies8tina: One thing I am noticing though is my suspects all fall into the same circle.
[21:18] spies8jenny: I wouldn't blame you really.
[21:19] spies8tina: I think i need to take a step back and reread the other side of the spectrum
[21:19] spies8tina: While my suspects keep shifting, they always end up with Jasmine and Claude as citizen.
[21:19] spies8tina: Which is sort of concerning me since I cannot make a great case for either being a cit.
[21:20] spies8jenny: I've been avoiding voting for Isaac, because I still don't feel like I really know what the case on him is.
[21:20] spies8tina: Heck I have been and everytime I go to write it out something feels wrong about it.
[21:20] spies8jenny: All I've heard is that Jas didn't like him for some reason, and arguing with her while voting Themby. The latter I could at least see as a point, but it sounds like there's more with it.
[21:20] spies8tina: I have a hard time understanding him though.
[21:21] spies8tina: The vote on Themba from him is the one thing that makes me massively uncomfortable.
[21:21] spies8tina: I did not expect that much.
[21:21] spies8tina: He also seems to keep his choice on Claude-Chance fairly open.
[21:21] spies8jenny: Were you here when I showed my pictures for Spice by the way?
[21:22] spies8tina: I looked through the log with them.
[21:22] spies8tina: One of those I completely disagree with is Lil. For some reason she strikes me as super citizen, depsite not being the strongest player.
[21:23] spies8tina: Just something about the way she is playing I get citizen reads all over the place.
[21:23] spies8jenny: Well her I have marked down as unknown.
[21:23] spies8jenny: Since I've talked with her for about.
[21:23] spies8jenny: 15 minutes? Tops?
[21:23] spies8jenny: Since getting replaced.
[21:23] spies8jenny: So that doesn't exactly help me personally for tells.
[21:24] spies8jenny: I've heard nice things about her, but she hasn't been around much this episode, which is the only time I've really had to see her myself.
[21:26] spies8jenny: Any others you really agree or disagree with?
[21:26] spies8jenny: On either side even. Figuring out who we at least agree are cits I think helps too.
[21:26] spies8tina: What I can see your top four are all neutralish to me.
[21:27] spies8jenny: Spies, or Cits?
[21:27] spies8jenny: Spies I guess since you're in my top 4 for cits.
[21:27] spies8tina: Right.
[21:28] spies8tina: Steph-Zek-Claude I keep thinking are cits with those occasional reservations.
[21:28] spies8tina: Magalie-Claude is another pair that does not work.
[21:29] spies8jenny: It's hardly a perfect set, it's just who I'm leaning for the time being. Don't take it as to be who I think the full group is, because there's no way I have that right.
[21:29] spies8tina: Well like I said, thats my problem.
[21:29] spies8tina: Lots of my suspects cannot work together.
[21:30] spies8jenny: Wait, where do you get the Maggie Claude thing? Did I miss something?
[21:30] spies8tina: Magalie seems to be pretty hard set Claude is spy.
[21:31] spies8jenny: Oh that's why. I was thinking claude had to have said something, I forgot Maggie's actually been around a bit more now.
[21:31] spies8tina: That is my issue with him.
[21:31] spies8tina: I think he is probably cit, but if he is a spy it changes tons.
[21:32] spies8tina: A lot like what I have gone through with Zek.
[21:50] spies8jenny: img259.imageshack.us/img259/7181/85816596bx9.png

Could be worse at least.
[21:51] spies8tina: Is that real or a joke?
[21:51] spies8jenny: Real.
[21:51] spies8tina: Heh. Wow.
[21:52] spies8jenny: that first line ended up becoming the name of the episode when they were compiling them.
[21:52] spies8tina: Heh. That would be funny if it just happened again and no one noticed.
[21:52] spies8jenny: That's what I'm saying, it certainly wouldn't be the first time in any case.
[22:45] spies8jenny: You talking with owen yet?
[22:45] spies8tina: Just starting to.
[22:45] spies8jenny: Okies, good

Tuesday, July 6, 2010 01:29:54
[01:29] spies8jenny: Explosion of information! Yaaay!
[01:30] spies8tina: No kidding, well sort of.
[01:30] spies8tina: Not as much case stuff as opposed to role stuff.
[01:31] spies8jenny: Information is still good.
[01:31] spies8jenny: Gives you more that you can piece together.
[01:31] spies8tina: I guess. Would prefer non-role information explosion though.
[01:32] spies8jenny: For example, I'm seeing Lucky as being more cit for now because of this. If he was a spy, he would have to have known about this spy messenger, and that doc claim was his whole reason for posting that topic about me, and starting up this whole discussion. That makes no sense to me for him to do as a spy.
[01:32] spies8tina: Yep.
[01:33] spies8jenny: Which is really helpful for me, since I had him leaning spy before that.
[01:33] spies8tina: It slowly has been getting out today.
[01:33] spies8tina: Was hoping it would stay private long enough to trap someone.
[01:37] spies8jenny: Not to mention Al should make even less sense as a spy to those not convinced yet, once they realize what's been going on.
[01:37] spies8tina: Allan has been probably citizen since late episode two. This just cemented it.
[01:38] spies8jenny: And screw WIFOM.
[01:47] spies8jenny: And actually.
[01:48] spies8jenny: I think it helps Owen too, because as soon as I mentioned to him that Al said someone had told him Gabe-Gabe had the doctor role, and he didn't find out from Gabe, like it sounded like, he went "wait... WHAT?" and immediately brought up the spy messenger thing.
[01:48] spies8jenny: Again, screw wifom, that sounds like a cit to me.
[01:49] spies8tina: Well, Owen has looked cit for a long time, this was just another point for him.
[01:49] spies8jenny: Well there was always some people concerned one way or the other about it.
[01:49] spies8tina: I think at least one person is vaugely suspect of every other person.

[17:42] spies8jenny: Hi Tini!
[17:42] spies8tina: Hello.
[17:43] spies8jenny: How are you?
[17:44] spies8tina: Not bad, sort of was hoping others would be on, and votes would be making sense.
[17:44] spies8jenny: Even one of them would be nice.
[17:44] spies8tina: They are spread out all over again.
[17:44] spies8jenny: I'm probably going to go elsewhere with my votes, just to help keep things together.
[17:45] spies8tina: I just wish that there was a way to make votes bunch a bit.
[17:45] spies8tina: Not to mention the few clustered but useless votes.
[17:45] spies8tina: Like the ones on Steph, who I think has no way of going tonight.
[17:46] spies8tina: Steph being exiled today without some other twist coming into play would be more unexpected then Nita flipping third party was.
[17:50] spies8jenny: Looks like we have 4 people right now. If I remember right, ties for the last nomination place are just both put in.
[17:50] spies8jenny: Unless there's people forgetting to vote.
[17:50] spies8jenny: Which would be ridiculous.
[17:50] spies8tina: Not unheard of though.
[17:50] spies8jenny: Sadly.
[17:51] spies8tina: I return to a paranoid state though at this point over the noms.
[17:52] spies8tina: With Steph being someone I am not that happy with an exile of and Claude being citizen with respect to all my spy reads.
[17:52] spies8jenny: Sounds like you're feeling like what I was during the second exile.
[17:52] spies8tina: Really cannot provide a good case for Claude-cit, but all of my other reads say he is.
[17:53] spies8tina: Well maybe not all, but enough to make me not want to exile him.

[Jenny]

00:16] spies8zedekiah: Howdy Jenny!
[00:16] spies8jenny: Hi Zeddy!
[00:17] spies8zedekiah: Nice t' see ye again, but i have somethin t' ask too
[00:17] spies8jenny: Sure!
[00:17] spies8zedekiah: this post
[00:17] spies8zedekiah: sorintheseeker (9:51:04 PM): Citizen.
spies8jenny (9:51:06 PM): Yeah that's kind of what I expected really. :-(

[00:18] spies8jenny: What about it?
[00:18] spies8zedekiah: was pretty instant, did ye have it pre typed?
[00:18] spies8jenny: Yep, I was already starting to type it out while I was waiting. Didn't really think she was a spy at all, as should have been obvious this time last week.
[00:19] spies8zedekiah: It was a shame, I was sure of just the opposite :-(

Monday, July 5, 2010 20:23:28
[20:23] spies8zedekiah: Hey there jenny, rushing t' go through my suspects ( and make suspects fer that matter) mind if I take a bit of yer time?
[20:23] spies8jenny: Sure!
[20:23] spies8jenny: What's up?
[20:24] spies8zedekiah: ok, how would ye say you scum hunt mostly? (one on one chats, logs, a bit of everything?)
[20:25] spies8jenny: A bit of everything really. Take a look at what's happened, and see if it makes sense for it to happen from a cit point of view, or a spy point of view. Helps me narrow down my list of who to watch that way, and if I'm lucky something will really stick out that doesn't make any sense at all as a cit.
[20:30] spies8zedekiah: You did not talk much about yer suspicion on round two, you also did not seem t' post a public vote, but for some reason yer vote does show in the thread count, can ye tell me more about yer vote on steph that round?
[20:31] spies8jenny: I wanted to vote you, but it was obvious to me that if I did that, it'd be the only one. Which is fairly useless when there's 3 other people getting voted that you don't agree for any of them as being spies. Stephi I knew was getting thought of and I was at least suspicious of her, so I tried to see if that would work. Not so much.
[20:32] spies8zedekiah: where (or how) did ye announce the vote on steph?
[20:32] spies8jenny: I talked to Themby about it, and it was also mentioned in the group chat.
[20:36] spies8zedekiah: So you did not even want t' bring up a case against me if you couldn't get an greement out o thers?
[20:37] spies8jenny: There were three cases on people I thought were cits, 2 of which I didn't even see were seriously being considered until a couple hours before the vote. I was more focused on trying to figure out how those even came up, especially the one on Savanny, and hoping to get votes off of them.
[20:40] spies8zedekiah: you have not confronted me much personally in regards t' yer supicions after day one, do you prefer not to base your case off of the suspect's words?
[20:42] spies8jenny: I just hadn't seen you around as much really. I was actually wondering where you'd been lately.
[20:42] spies8zedekiah: yeah I'm sorry about that, I've been busy.
[20:43] spies8zedekiah: so ye'd say I'm yer #1 supect for the whole game? if that's the case, why haven't ye posted a complete case on me at this point as ye did for mag?
[20:44] spies8jenny: I posted one on Maggie because it was the republican side that was going to decide the vote. I much prefer to discuss suspicions in AIM.
[20:44] spies8jenny: Can't exactly do that with the way it was set up last episode.
[20:45] spies8zedekiah: so then you like it better when an ally of your sumerizes the case after you bounce ideas off each other then.
[20:47] spies8jenny: Mostly because I'm not very good at just going "Let me make a speech for everyone about why you all should do this." If another person is able to do that and we agree on it, yay. I find it quicker to just go "Hey I'm thinking of voting Green Lantern, that whole weak to yellow thing seems weird to me. What do you think?"
[20:49] spies8zedekiah: I guess it's fine as long as it's your own ideas in the end, not a spy lead 'r somethin'
[20:49] spies8zedekiah: would you like me to explain anythin your suspect of? or is the evidence solid without input?
[20:51] spies8jenny: It's kind of why I really miss having Savanny around, we had a lot of the same ideas about things in general, and she was better at doing the whole "case" thing then I am.

And sure. I still don't get really what you were trying to explain about that first night. I remember asking you what you were doing for the couple hours after roles went out before I talked to you, and it seemed to detour into something about the night before.
[20:54] spies8zedekiah: To make it short, rather than the usual two hour explaination, I did nothing. at least nothing relevent, I could tell ye exactly what I was doing, but that's has nothing t' do with the game.
[20:54] spies8zedekiah: I closed the chat client an' thought it was over with, I didn't know I was online.
[20:56] spies8jenny: Why not jump in and start talking with a few people at least, especially since you'd been around for a while before the game started. It just seems weird that as soon as the game started, you decided that it would be a good time to take a break, when nothing up to that point would really matter as far as the actual game goes.
[21:00] spies8zedekiah: i guess I didn't really care as much as I was s'possed t', I never really chat or anythin much, I jus' figured that as you say it wouldn't matter, no team or anyhtin', I'm not goin t' catch a scum in the pre game, so why not wait t' narrow it down to half and really get things done in the game? 'sides as I said I was tired.
[21:02] spies8jenny: Okies, that's a fair enough point. But why not just say that when I asked you about it before? The whole reason it got to be such a big deal was because it turned into this giant story about things from the night before that wasn't even about when I was asking, and eventually it just started to make no sense what you were saying when it was just supposed to be a quick question.
[21:05] spies8zedekiah: I believe soemone asked for a "testamony" I was jus' playin up my character fer the game, I had already explained myself, if y'all are goin t' ask fer further clarification on why I was tired or whatever, I'll just go off and say it, relevent or not.
[21:08] spies8zedekiah: I suppose I may have misunderstood what you were asking me as well
[21:08] spies8zedekiah: [21:03] spies8jenny: How come you waited so long to talk with people last night?
[21:03] spies8alexei: ME?
[21:04] spies8alexei: sorry, caps
[21:04] spies8jenny: No I mean zeddy
[21:04] spies8alexei: ok
[21:04] spies8zedekiah: I got excited and ended up sleeping four hours...
[21:04] spies8savannah: oh i talk in caps all the time
[21:04] spies8zedekiah: I didn't htink I should be seen by folks like that
[21:04] spies8jenny: You fell asleep after roles went out?
[21:04] spies8rondak: Many apologies, I am here and ready to discuss.
[21:04] spies8savannah: lol i did too but just didnt wake up
[21:04] spies8savannah: XD
[21:04] spies8zedekiah: no the night before, only slept four hours
[21:05] spies8zedekiah: I'm fine t'day
[21:05] spies8jenny: Oh ok. But you were around lots during the opening, why not talk with people for so long after the roles went out, and the game really started?
[21:05] spies8stephanie: i talked to zeke before assignments went out
[21:07] spies8jenny: I remember you told me before that you hadn't talked with anyone yet after roles went out, and it was a couple hours after that had happened, so it seemed weird.
[21:07] spies8zedekiah: Well, I got sort of sidetracked with other stuff online, sorry I couldn't oblidge >_>
[21:07] spies8zedekiah: and I was tired, and I had closed my chat
[21:09] spies8zedekiah: I basically explained as much by this point, but after y'all asked fer further clarification it got messy
[21:13] spies8zedekiah: any other questions? about the hq thing or whatever?
[21:14] spies8jenny: Not for the moment, asking some other people stuff. Thanks though

[Jenny]

Sunday, July 4, 2010 13:14:44
[13:14] spies8allan: k jenny
[13:14] spies8allan: give me the scoop
[13:15] spies8allan: what did u know that u didn't tell me
[13:15] spies8allan: give me the scoop about u and jenny, from day 1
[13:15] spies8jenny: Me and Ni-Ni you mean?
[13:15] spies8allan: cuz i'm the only person willing to go to the plate for u right now
[13:15] spies8allan: lol yea
[13:15] spies8jenny: She claimed to me the day before you claimed to her.
[13:17] spies8jenny: She thought I was a spy, and was scared of getting imprisoned, and was hoping that by claiming to a spy she could possibly avoid it.

Anyways, since during that discussion I managed to convince her to focus on the citizen tasks she had, and she certainly was looking for spies, I didn't see any reason to bring out her role to everyone for the time being.
[13:17] spies8jenny: It just would have made everyone go "THIRD PARTY, AHHHH, KILL IT, KILL IT!" and not have helped anything.
[13:18] spies8jenny: It is partially why I agreed with you claiming to Ni-Ni though, since I was fairly sure after that that she wasn't a spy, and it did help out in the end that you two got together.
[13:26] spies8allan: what tasks did she share with u?
[13:27] spies8jenny: She only told me a few. Said one about getting a case up on a spy, and getting them exiled from it.
[13:27] spies8jenny: Another about having a tie happen at exile.
[13:28] spies8jenny: And after you claimed to her, she said that having a role claim actually was also one of her tasks, although she had to check to see if it had to be an actual role for it to count. According to her she found out that it did, so according to her your role is confirmed.
[13:30] spies8allan: lmao awesome
[13:31] spies8allan: so why did u tell everyone that u knew what nita was?
[13:31] spies8jenny: Because she was imprisoned, so we might as well get the information out, especially since it apparently confirms your role powers for sure as well.
[13:34] spies8allan: well its made everyone suspect u
[13:34] spies8allan: thinking u got her killed since u knew what she was
[13:39] spies8allan: i mean i'm not sure what to think
[13:39] spies8allan: everyone tells me not to trust u
[13:40] spies8allan: but i think if u were a spy you woulda tried killing me night one, not nita
[13:40] spies8jenny: Or whoever it was that got picked that night.
[13:40] spies8jenny: Be right back.
[13:41] spies8jenny: Okies, back!
[13:42] spies8jenny: The way I see it, what point is there to hiding what I knew about Ni-Ni now that she's out of the game? It's not like they can imprison her prison cell, and we might as well know as much as possible about it.
[13:59] spies8allan: add me to the chat
[14:00] spies8allan: ooop it said an error occured
[14:02] spies8allan: nother error
[14:02] spies8jenny: Odd.
[14:02] spies8jenny: Try restarting AIM quick.
[14:07] spies8allan: let me save these chats and i'll restart
[14:07] spies8jenny: Okies.
[14:11] spies8jenny: Oh hey, did Claude use his power on you?
[14:31] spies8jenny: Well at least the doctor's talking with you, so that's a good thing.
[14:31] spies8jenny: Did he cover you too last night, or did they just decide to talk with you?
[14:32] spies8jenny: I thought you said they talked to you last night? Gabe's been dead for a while now.
[14:33] spies8allan: i got more information last night, from another role
[14:33] spies8allan: i didn't say anything cuz with this nita/you stuff
[14:33] spies8allan: i was like "should i really trust her"
[14:33] spies8jenny: What, an investigative role?
[14:34] spies8allan: i don't want to say, honsetly
[14:34] spies8jenny: Okies. I was mostly worried that you were saying that Gabe was talking with you after he was imprisoned.
[14:34] spies8jenny: Which would be kind of bad.
[14:35] spies8allan: no he wasn't
[14:35] spies8jenny: Okies, good.
[14:36] spies8jenny: Well in any case, it's good that we finally have a role that trusts you.
[14:39] spies8allan: i'm prolly dead though
[14:39] spies8allan: this round
[14:43] spies8allan: i think
[14:43] spies8allan: i'm just gonna disappear for the rest of the round
[14:43] spies8allan: i can only vote for chance or issac.... so it'll be for issac
[14:44] spies8allan: i've gotten out what i needed to say, no need to seem important

[Jenny]

Sunday, July 4, 2010 12:47:07
[12:47] spies8jenny: Hi Hali!
[12:47] Spies8Awohali: Osiyo, Jenny.
[12:47] spies8jenny: How are you?
[12:47] Spies8Awohali: I am doing quite well, and yourself?
[12:48] spies8jenny: I'm alright. Happy 4th of July!
[12:48] Spies8Awohali: To you, also! Though it is odd to celebrate the birthdate of the country that drove my people from their homeland, I do love my country today.
[12:49] spies8jenny: I always thought you were japanese.
[12:49] Spies8Awohali: I am definitely not, as far as I know. That would be an odd revelation.
[12:50] spies8jenny: Did you see the imprisonment yet?
[12:50] Spies8Awohali: ...No I have not. Perhaps I should check that in case I am breaking the rules at the moment.
[12:51] Spies8Awohali: Nita... A shame that she is gone, though her abrasiveness may not be as missed.
[12:51] spies8jenny: Keep reading.
[12:52] Spies8Awohali: Wow. I would not have expected that.
[12:52] spies8jenny: You're also going to want to get caught up on the group chat as well
[12:52] spies8jenny: Short version, Ni-Ni claimed it to me beforehand.
[12:53] Spies8Awohali: How far before?
[12:53] spies8jenny: Before the "saved" imprisonment
[12:53] spies8jenny: A few hours before that.
[12:53] Spies8Awohali: Did you tell anyone else?
[12:53] spies8jenny: Not until yesterday.
[12:53] spies8jenny: When it was revealed she was imprisoned
[12:54] Spies8Awohali: Why did you keep that as private knowledge? She was a team mate that several people probably trusted, and her words were not coming from the standpoint of a Citizen.
[12:54] spies8jenny: Because her role was such that she could still help the citizens just fine, and there was no point in bringing it up.
[12:55] spies8jenny: She had no actual powers, just a list of tasks that she had to do. And she could just as easily focus on the cit tasks she had, which she agreed to doing.
[12:55] spies8jenny: She might as well have been a cit.
[12:56] Spies8Awohali: She could have very well been using you to assist her in her missions, though. Her objectives as a third party are not the same as ours, even if they sometimes may seem to align
[12:56] spies8jenny: I went over a lot of this in the group chat.
[12:57] spies8jenny: Skip ahead down to when imprisonment is brought up, I mention it almost right after.
[12:57] Spies8Awohali: I shall endeavor to read this, although I must find a sharp object to gauge my eyes out with as I read a chat log.
[12:58] spies8jenny: Awww, how come?
[12:59] Spies8Awohali: I have never been a fan of reading chat logs. I feel like they are torture, for I can not ask the questions or jump in where I would ordinarily do so.
[12:59] spies8jenny: It's still better then completely missing out.
[13:00] spies8jenny: Although they can be a pain to go through sometimes, yeah.
[13:00] Spies8Awohali: They can indeed, but this is an occasion worth risking the loss of my eyesight for.
[13:01] spies8jenny: If it helps, use control+f to search for sorintheseeker since Sammy came in to post that the imprisonment was up.
[13:01] spies8jenny: If you want to just skip to that.
[13:01] Spies8Awohali: Ah... That was much faster than what I was doing, I thank you! I was searchnig for "nita"
[13:02] spies8jenny:
[13:21] spies8jenny: How's the reading going? No gouging of eyes I hope?
[13:22] Spies8Awohali: Not yet, it is going slowly as I am eating between every few lines. So far it is holding my interest, though.
[13:22] spies8jenny: That certainly makes it easier.
[13:23] Spies8Awohali: It does... To ask a question; so far I have read that Nita initially thought that you were a Spy when she claimed to you, right?
[13:23] spies8jenny: Yep.
[13:23] spies8jenny: She was worried about getting imprisoned.
[13:23] Spies8Awohali: So this third party player, who was seeking out Spies to work with them... You trusted her enough not to out her alignment?
[13:25] spies8jenny: After much pointless negotiating about me not imprisoning her, and her saying she wouldn't post a case on me even though I told her i wouldn't have minded if she did, I had eventually convinced her to focus on helping with the cit tasks and going after spies.

She was quite obviously doing that, and she said a few times that she didn't really trust any of the other players to keep her role a secret, so didn't want to tell anyone else about it.
[13:26] spies8jenny: So if she was helping the cits out anyways, and had no real contact with spies, why bother outing it? If she started doing things that were suspicious maybe, but that never came up.
[13:26] Spies8Awohali: Her voting No Exile was helping the Citizens?
[13:27] spies8jenny: That had nothing to do with her tasks. I actually asked about htat, because I thought it might have been.
[13:28] Spies8Awohali: She could have lied
[13:28] spies8jenny: Do you think she was?
[13:29] Spies8Awohali: I see it as likely, given how hard she tried to push it.
[13:30] Spies8Awohali: Perhaps her mission was not "Get a team to vote No Exile", though it could have been... But it could have served her purposes in other ways, too.
[13:30] spies8jenny: How far are you into the group chat by the way?
[13:30] spies8jenny: I don't think that it's very likely thinking about it now. She was given a list of tasks at the start of the game that she had the whole game to work on.
[13:31] Spies8Awohali: The part where Jasmine and Borderick are fighting. Just kidding, that's everywhere. I am at 20:34
[13:31] spies8jenny: Having one that focused specifically on teams would have put a deadline on those missions.
[13:32] Spies8Awohali: Indeed. It could have instead been a specific player she needed to get rid of, or have a certain type of vote
[13:33] spies8jenny: Needing to get rid of specific players was what the 3rd party role was in the previous game, I doubt he'd simply repeat it.

She did have a task of having a tie happen, as one of her "neutral" tasks, and was annoyed that she almost had that one the first exile.
[13:34] Spies8Awohali: If she saw a near tietie on the Republicans side, she could have been hoping for a tie in the actual vote.
[13:35] spies8jenny: Anyways, some of what we're starting to get into is a bit like what you're about to read, so I'll just let you read that a bit more.
[13:35] Spies8Awohali: I shall continue
[13:46] spies8jenny: How's it going so far?
[13:48] Spies8Awohali: I am at 20:03 now.
[13:48] Spies8Awohali: 21:03*
[13:49] Spies8Awohali: So Al's role allows him to use the role used on him?
[13:49] spies8jenny: Yep. If a doctor protects him, he can use a doc protection. If claude does one of those vote things on him, Al can use the same.
[13:49] spies8jenny: One time use, unless they use it on him again.
[13:50] Spies8Awohali: That would be very easy to test, albeit perhaps useless, since we assume it is a confirmed role now.
[13:50] spies8jenny: And there wasn't much question before, but at least we can be more sure of it now.
[13:51] Spies8Awohali: Mostly sure, anyway.
[13:53] Spies8Awohali: I believe I have read enough now to have an understanding... I am not sure how this affects how I view you, but it is possible that it makes you more suspicious in my eyes.
[13:54] spies8jenny: Aww, you didn't even get to the best part!

[01:10] spies8jenny: I'm serious, what good would it have done to reveal it?

"Hey, Ni-Ni is a third party role by the way."

"OH NO A THIRD PARTY, WE MUST SOUND THE ALARMS, HIDE THE CHILDREN, WE CAN'T TRUST ANYTHING THEY EVER DO, LET US DESTROY IT AS FAST AS POSSIBLE"

And we'd still be no closer to beating the spies.

[13:54] Spies8Awohali: I am balking, though, because Jasmine and Magalie have both jumped at this opportunity, it seems, to suspect you now.
[13:55] Spies8Awohali: Announcing her as a third aprty would have done two things: 1. Citizens would know that they can not fully trust her opinions or anything that she says. I.E. the No Exile debate. and 2. The Spies would Imprison her, saving a Citizen from Imprisonment. As it turns out, she was Imprisoned anyway, which is good...
[13:55] Spies8Awohali: But, in the mean time, we lost Gabriel early.
[13:56] spies8jenny: The way I see it, she did more for the cits then some actual cits.

Margot for example from what I've heard of her.
[13:56] Spies8Awohali: That depends on the point of view. Ultimately, though, anything she did "for the cits" was for herself.
[13:57] spies8jenny: Which was fine by me, because if she ever did finish her condition, she'd have a personal victory, leave the game, and we wouldn't have to worry about it anymore anyways.
[13:57] spies8jenny: As long as she was focusing on the cit tasks she had, which she seemed to be doing to me.
[13:58] Spies8Awohali: Even though a personal victory for her would mean hurting Citizens? From what I am understanding, she had an equal number of Spy and Citizen taks, and Neutral ones as well?
[13:58] spies8jenny: The way I understood it, how it was laid out let her have some flexibility on who she wanted to help out.
[13:59] Spies8Awohali: And the fact that she contacted you in hopes to help the Spies... Is that not a sign of her true intentions?
[14:01] spies8jenny: Of not dying in imprisonment? That was the only thing she ever requested the whole time it was ever brought up. She never asked me to help with any of her tasks, and she never even asked me at any point about who the other spies were. The only thing she ever requested was that I didn't imprison her, which I always told her was a pointless request since I'm not a spy.
[14:02] spies8jenny: Even though she apparently thought I was a spy up until and including a couple days ago when I asked her if she still thought so, when I was trying to figure out why people were suspecting me.
[14:02] Spies8Awohali: So the entire time, she thought you were a Spy, and was still working with you.
[14:02] spies8jenny: To find other spies.
[14:02] spies8jenny: for voting
[14:03] spies8jenny: I've got 13 pages of chat log, and most of them are us discussing suspicions.
[14:03] Spies8Awohali: Or, to have an unvoiced agreement, where she goes after your "suspects", thinking that that is your way of not incriminating youself as a Spy but still getting things across.
[14:04] spies8jenny: Here, I put this in the group chat, but I don't remember if you would have gotten to this part yet.
[14:04] spies8jenny: [17:46] spies8jenny: I hope you aren't still looking for spy friends, I want you to help the cits! No knifebacking!
[17:46] spies8nita: Jenny today I think about what if I do that
[17:46] spies8nita: The problem?
[17:46] spies8nita: Ain't nobody here cept maybe Rondak who can keep a secret
[17:46] spies8nita: Y I no think Rondak es a spy
[17:46] spies8nita: You two I think be the only ones
[17:46] spies8nita: So I say somethin to anyone else, game over for Nita
[14:05] Spies8Awohali: So she does not tell Rondak, even though she thinks he is a Citizen and would keep it a secret.
[14:06] spies8jenny: She was really worried about getting imprisoned,
[14:09] Spies8Awohali: And she had good reason to be, apparently.
[14:10] spies8jenny: Looks like. Which is annoying, because she was still helpful to talk to about suspicions and stuff, even if we disagreed on things.
[14:11] Spies8Awohali: Among those things being the purpose of suspicions at all.
[14:17] spies8jenny: If you're on meebo by the way, you can probably figure out why it's so easy to invite. All you had to do is drag the name from the buddy list to the chat room and it sends them an invite.
[14:18] Spies8Awohali: I had not noticed that feature, although that will be nice to use when inviting my fellow Spies to our secret and evil chat room where we connive and conduct ourselves in debauchery.
[14:18] spies8jenny:

Sunday, July 4, 2010 15:04:57
[15:04] spies8jenny: Okies my battery died apparently.
[15:05] spies8jenny: So let me just figure out how much to post and when to keep it in my secret logs.
[15:05] spies8jenny: And then I'll be back in.
[15:05] Spies8Awohali: That is quite all right. Welcome back
[15:07] spies8jenny: Okies, I think I know where I'll have to stop.
[15:08] Spies8Awohali: Perfect. Unfortunately, the odds are that the Spies now know what Allan said anyway, as many people as were in the room.
[15:08] spies8jenny: Yeah, that's kind of what I'm thinking about.
[15:09] spies8jenny: We'll have to work that out I think at some point.
[15:10] Spies8Awohali: Indeed. Unfortunately, that would mean that the Spies are aware that they do not have to fear an Imprisonment getting saved.
[15:10] spies8jenny: To be fair, those saves were usually fairly rare anyways, even when the doc lasted a while.
[15:14] Spies8Awohali: They were rare, but the power was in the potential of a save. Spies had to consider not Imprisoning the most obvious best targets, in case it was blocked.
[15:15] spies8jenny: True, which is why it would still be nice to keep it secret if possible.
[15:15] spies8jenny: But, unless we want to say everyone in there is a cit for sure, it's possible a spy knows now.
[15:15] spies8jenny: And if the spies know, the town might as well know.
[15:16] Spies8Awohali: Sadly that is true... I am uncertain, though. The town will not gain any benefit that I can see, from knowing the Doctor is dead.
[15:47] spies8jenny: I'm sorry, every time someone says E3 meaning Episode 3, I keep thinking Electronics Entertainment Expo.
[15:48] spies8jenny:
[15:48] Spies8Awohali: I can see why you would think that, since it happened so recently.

Sunday, July 4, 2010 20:08:38
[20:08] spies8jenny: Hi Hali!
[20:08] Spies8Awohali: Greetings, Jenny.
[20:08] spies8jenny: How are you?
[20:09] Spies8Awohali: I am quite well; the sunwas good to me this afternoon.
[20:09] spies8jenny: Been taking a break for a while myself, just playing a game.
[20:09] spies8jenny: Since it's a rather slow day.
[20:10] Spies8Awohali: Yes, I imagined that it would be, being the 4th of July. I will only have about 50 minutes before I am off to see a movie with a few of my friends.

Monday, July 5, 2010 19:12:30
[19:12] spies8jenny: So what's new with you?
[19:12] Spies8Awohali: Not a great deal... I have been unable to find time to be on today, which made me quite sad.
[19:19] spies8jenny: Well at least you're on now.
[19:20] Spies8Awohali: Indeed. Although... Not for very long, ha.
[19:51] spies8jenny: Did she seriously forget who she voted for?
[19:51] Spies8Awohali: I am trying to decide if that is a put-on act or not.
[20:03] Spies8Awohali: I apaologize, but I must depart for a while. I will return late tonight, if you are around.
[20:03] spies8jenny: Okies!
[20:03] spies8jenny: Talk to you soon
[20:03] Spies8Awohali: Farewell.

[Jenny]

Friday, July 2, 2010 15:31:09
[15:31] spies8jenny: Hi Lucky!
[15:31] spies8chance: 'sup jen. :-)
[15:32] spies8jenny: I'm doing alright, you?
[15:32] spies8chance: just got back from work. loooong day.
[15:32] spies8jenny: Got off a little earlier myself because of the holiday weekend. That and it was slow today.
[15:39] spies8jenny: I'd suggest just reading the log.
[15:39] spies8chance: i probably will in a bit. i'm reading some of the burg threads right now.
[15:39] spies8jenny: Get a better picture that way, then trying to find out from one of the people arguing.
[16:30] spies8chance: blah. my head hurts.
[16:30] spies8jenny: Getting lost in the mess?
[16:31] spies8chance: no, actual headache. :-P
[16:31] spies8chance: i found something that makes me a little more suspicious of jasmine.
[16:31] spies8jenny: Oh? What is it?
[16:32] spies8chance: question for jasmine - if you signed on 20-30 minutes before exile, as shown here -
[00:17] spies8jasmine: I didn't know, tbh. I signed on like 20-3 0 minutes before votes were due
why didn't you post your vote switch in the vote tally thread?
[16:32] spies8chance: i'm going to ask her that later.
[16:37] spies8chance: what do you think?
[16:37] spies8jenny: Couldn't hurt to ask at least, but I'm not sure if that's really much there yet.
[16:38] spies8chance: just seems off to me. she had about half an hour and decided not to tell anyone she was changing her vote?

Saturday, July 3, 2010 19:08:37
[19:08] spies8chance: so jenny.
[19:08] spies8chance: i'm looking at that 'past spies players' puzzle from the challenge.
[19:08] spies8jenny: Hi there!
[19:08] spies8chance: how is the answer 'cy'?
[19:09] spies8jenny: Oh, the trick was the number of letters in the names.
[19:09] spies8jenny: The final number was 2.
[19:09] spies8chance: ohhh.
[19:09] spies8jenny: And is a fairly well known past character, for an epically bad spy blunder.
[19:09] spies8chance: oh really? do tell?
[19:09] spies8jenny: IM'ing a cit instead of a spy.
[19:09] spies8jenny: 3 times in a row.
[19:10] spies8chance: ouch, fail.
[19:10] spies8jenny: There's a picture that sums it up, let me see if I can find it.
[19:10] spies8jenny: img259.imageshack.us/img259/7181/85816596bx9.png
[19:10] spies8jenny: there it is
[19:11] spies8chance: hahaha, what the crap?
[19:11] spies8jenny: Exactly.
[19:11] spies8jenny: Like I said, that's something you remember.
[19:11] spies8chance: that's just.... hahahahaha.
[19:11] spies8chance: wow.
[19:11] spies8chance: epic, epic failure. i'm seriously laughing.
[19:12] spies8chance: i can just imagine what jiselle must have been thinking.
[19:12] spies8jenny: So yeah, when it came up that 2 was the answer and it was obvious they were looking for a name, Cy was fairly easy to think of.
[19:12] spies8jenny:
[19:12] spies8chance: are there any other spies characters with a name with two letters?
[19:12] spies8chance: i don't think there are...
[19:12] spies8jenny: Apparently not
[19:13] spies8jenny: If he was able to use him specifically as an answer.
[19:13] spies8chance: yeah, that was my thinking.
[19:13] spies8chance: well, cy must be the shortest name in spies history.
[19:13] spies8chance: i wonder what the longest is?
[19:13] spies8chance: hmm.
[19:13] spies8chance: for spies 8, it's a tie between stephanie and broderick.
[19:14] spies8jenny: But yeah, like I said. After something like that, you don't really forget it.
[19:14] spies8chance: mhm.
[19:14] spies8jenny: And never doubt me if I ever say I've seen a more idiotic blunder then whatever may happen in game.
[19:14] spies8jenny: Because sometimes things are that dumb.
[19:14] spies8chance: jenny, out of the blue question.
[19:14] spies8chance: completely random, just popped into my head - do you have a role that requires you to be successfully accused to function? :-P
[19:15] spies8jenny: Nope, standard cit. Why?
[19:15] spies8chance: eh, mostly just seemed like you were playing pretty heavily on the fact that you were there for that blunder personally and wanted me to know it.
[19:15] spies8chance: just an interpretation, i guess.
[19:16] spies8jenny: Oh no, I wasn't in that game.
[19:16] spies8chance: i wonder if there was a longer name than 9 letters in spies7.
[19:16] spies8chance: nope. adrasteia ties it, but that's all.
[19:17] spies8jenny: The worst I've seen a mafian do?

Cit: Hi what's your role!
Mafian: I'm mafia, don't tell anyone else please?
Cit: ....

Mafian lynched.
[19:17] spies8chance: .... that's really stupid.
[19:17] spies8jenny: Oh you have no idea.
[19:17] spies8jenny: It was quite funny though!
[19:18] spies8chance: :-P
[19:19] spies8chance: spies3anneliese and spies3jennipher both tie at 9.
[19:19] spies8jenny: What made you curious about the challenge by the way? Just didn't see how the answer worked in?
[19:20] spies8chance: yeah, i was clicking down the forum getting rid of the 'new' tags and got to the post where sam invites people to do the challenge by themselves.
[19:21] spies8chance: oooh, now that i've looked, i have a spies trivia question for you! :-D
[19:21] spies8jenny: Sure!
[19:21] spies8chance: what is (to my knowledge) the only name used in two spies seasons?
[19:21] spies8jenny: I didn't realize there was a repeat actually.
[19:21] spies8chance: there was. :-D
[19:23] spies8jenny: I dunno then.
[19:23] spies8jenny: Oh here we go
[19:23] spies8chance: spies1 and spies4.
[19:23] spies8jenny: Katie I think
[19:23] spies8chance: kaatie?
[19:23] spies8chance: not the one i saw.
[19:24] spies8jenny: Never mind, misread one.
[19:24] spies8chance: it's emma. :-D
[19:24] spies8jenny: Oh I see it now. Never really gone into the first game that much.
[19:24] spies8chance: i only went because i was counting letters.
[19:25] spies8chance: nine letters has been the maximum, looks like.
[19:25] spies8chance: spies8stephanie, spies8broderick, spies7adrasteia, spies3anneliese, spies3jennipher.
[19:27] spies8jenny: I did notice another 2 letter name though. Maybe Sammy forgot about it.
[19:27] spies8jenny: DJ
[19:27] spies8jenny: Or maybe either would have worked.
[19:27] spies8chance: ooh, i didn't notice that.
[19:28] spies8chance: i would have to say cy's probably more thought of.
[19:28] spies8jenny: And more recent.
[19:30] spies8jenny: Coming back to the current game though, what do you think so far?
[19:30] spies8jenny: Managed to read what I missed last night after I had to sleep.
[19:30] spies8jenny: Crazy stuff last night.
[19:31] spies8chance: yeah, i read the most recent chat. also got a pm from broderick calling me a 'liar'. i loled.
[19:31] spies8jenny: About what?
[19:31] spies8chance: apparently i'm 'back to misrepresenting people' by saying this -
[19:31] spies8chance: [16:13] spies8chance: brod pulled out the 'childish' schtick on me before.
[16:13] spies8chance: i think he pulls it out on anyone who dares to point out that he might be flawed.
[19:32] spies8chance: i then calmly replied to him, saying that yes, he has, in fact, called me childish. then i told him that him calling me a liar makes him a liar. :-P
[19:32] spies8jenny:
[19:32] spies8chance: i think he's a little high-strung.
[19:33] spies8jenny: I dunno, I think that fits Claude better.
[19:33] spies8chance: but as to what i think of the game currently... i think there are far too many people i know nothing about.
[19:34] spies8chance: claude's a spy. spies with attention on them tend to be jumpy. :-P brod's just twitchy.
[19:37] spies8chance: let me see what i wrote down on my list.
[19:38] spies8chance: there are five people i have down as 'neutral because of a lack of information'.
[19:38] spies8chance: that's five too many, really.
[19:38] spies8chance: but they're all republicans save one.
[19:38] spies8jenny: So that makes sense at least.
[19:39] spies8chance: yeah. it's dane, lawrence, stephanie, zedekiah, and lilith. lilith is now a replacement - i talked a bit to lilith #1.
[19:44] spies8chance: what are you thinking?
[19:44] spies8chance: i don't think i know who you really suspect.
[19:45] spies8jenny: That's probably because I usually work backwards, and try to narrow it down by working out who isn't a spy and see who I have left. Just looking at the chart I've made for now though, Maggie, Claude, Stephi, and Zeddy are bigger ones for me to look at.
[19:46] spies8chance: yeah, i remember hearing someone say that. i think it was claude and i think it's a big reason he suspects you.
[19:46] spies8chance: which is kind of a stupid reason, i think, suspecting someone based on how they spyhunt.
[19:46] spies8jenny: It's worked for me before, so might as well use what works.
[19:46] spies8chance: don't fix what ain't broke. :-P
[19:47] spies8jenny: Something like that.
[20:08] spies8chance: jenny. save me from this idiot. please.
[20:16] spies8jenny: Could you come back in please?

If nothing else, Maggie is in the room, and they're clearing up some stuff about Ni-Ni.
[20:16] spies8chance: yeah, i guess. i didn't leave for any real reason, was just concentrating on some private chats.
[20:16] spies8chance: mostly with rondak, who i haven't talked to yet.
[20:16] spies8chance: can i get an invite?
[20:19] spies8chance: it mostly looks like a brod-bash right now.
[20:19] spies8chance: not that i mind, but was something being cleared up about nita?
[20:33] spies8jenny: Sammy was talking about Ni-Ni a bit to clear up any concerns. while you were out.
[20:33] spies8chance: ah, can i see what he said?
[20:34] spies8jenny: I'll get things posted in a bit.
[20:35] spies8chance: okay.

Tuesday, July 6, 2010 00:37:34
[00:37] spies8jenny: Hi there!
[00:37] spies8chance: hey jen. :-)
[00:38] spies8jenny: So whatcha thinking for tomorrow?
[00:39] spies8chance: tossup between you and claude. which sucks, because i actually like you.
[00:39] spies8chance: :-(
[00:42] spies8jenny: I still don't really get what the fuss is about me.
[00:43] spies8chance: well, i'm actually about to post something you probably won't have seen before.
[00:43] spies8chance: gonna catch a lot of flack for it too, i bet.
[00:43] spies8chance: but i think it needs to be said.
[00:43] spies8jenny: Okies.
[00:43] spies8jenny: Better then doing nothing right?
[00:43] spies8chance: mmm.
[00:43] spies8chance: and i do hope you're not a spy. i hate it when spies are likeable. :-(
[00:43] spies8jenny: Despite what this group seems to think.
[00:45] spies8jenny: From what I do know about why people suspect me, it's because I provided information because I thought it was needed. Al because I thought he was going to get himself killed, Ni-Ni because she's gone anyways and we might get everything out on her. Would these people rather I let Al get himself killed when I thought he was leading in votes, or not say anything about what I knew of Ni-Ni?
[00:46] spies8chance: well, i'll tell you the main reason i suspect you.
[00:46] spies8chance: the gabriel imprisonment. :-)
[00:46] spies8chance: i'm about to post if you'll give me just a few seconds.
[00:46] spies8jenny: Well that's certainly a new one.
[00:46] spies8chance: i live to make your days exciing.
[00:46] spies8chance: *exciting.
[00:47] spies8jenny: I liked Gabe-Gabe too

Even if he kept tunneling on Savanny.
[00:50] spies8jenny: Just for the record, Ni-Ni told me she never heard from the doctor, so we weren't sure if it was her that was saved at the time.
[00:51] spies8jenny: No idea if she was lying about it, or if Gabe-Gabe just never talked to her for goodness knows why.
[00:51] spies8chance: then the question is, how did allan know?
[00:51] spies8chance: i still want to know what he meant by 'i found out last night'.
[00:51] spies8jenny: It wasn't from Gabe-Gabe. I asked him about it actually to make sure there was no rule breaking.
[00:51] spies8jenny: Apparently someone else got the information and trusted Al with it.
[00:52] spies8chance: then gabe had to have told someone.
[00:52] spies8jenny: That or there's another role involved.
[00:52] spies8chance: gabe or nita. one of the two.
[00:52] spies8jenny: One or the other.
[00:52] spies8jenny: Al wouldn't confirm anything with me, so I dunno which.
[00:52] spies8chance: i'd dearly love to know how allan found out.
[00:53] spies8jenny: And he's apparently decided to go into hiding, so I'm not expecting to see him for a while either, which is a pain.
[00:53] spies8jenny: All I know is that Al found out from someone the night before that had found out Gabe-Gabe was the doctor... somehow or another, and trusted Al with the information.
[00:53] spies8chance: well, that's my main reason to suspect you, anyway. out in the open now. i had a few people who didn't want me posting it.
[00:54] spies8jenny: Because of it saying about Gabe-Gabe being the doctor I assume?
[00:54] spies8chance: not just that, but found out that gabriel was the doctor /and/ saved nita during imprisonment 2.
[00:54] spies8chance: yeah, and saying that allan confirmed it. which was in the part of the group chat that you didn't post.
[00:55] spies8chance: funny thing though. everyone who told me it was a bad idea to post also said that the case had merit.
[00:55] spies8chance: it's really not even a case, just a theory.
[00:55] spies8jenny: That would have been nice to know while Ni-Ni was alive, since she was worried about exactly that just a few hours before when claiming to me hoping to not get imprisoned.
[00:56] spies8jenny: Might as well post that chat actually since it's out anyways.
[00:57] spies8chance: yeah, sorry bout that.
[00:58] spies8jenny: Anyways, dunno what to really tell you to convince you otherwise with that, since it's mostly going to be a case of "she said..." well ok I guess just she said.
[00:58] spies8jenny: But the first I heard about the doctor at all really was when we all found out in that chat.
[00:59] spies8chance: yeah. the main thing about it is, the gabriel imprisonment came as a complete surprise to me.
[00:59] spies8jenny: It's possble they found out somehow, or it could be just really crappy luck for us. Hard to tell with what little I know of it right now.
[00:59] spies8chance: that, plus gabriel being imprisoned immediately after his successful save of nita... and you being the only person nita claimed to... i just have a really hard time believing that that's all coincidental.
[01:00] spies8chance: plus the fact that nita got imprisoned immediately after gabriel was.
[01:00] spies8chance: like the spies knew that it'd be safe to take her with the doctor out of the way.
[01:00] spies8jenny: Which if they knew Gabe-Gabe was the doctor at all, that'd be a safe assumption.
[01:01] spies8chance: occam's razor.
[01:01] spies8chance: i think the simplest explanation is that gabriel told nita and nita told you. sorry. :-(
[01:02] spies8chance: for what it's worth i still like your face! <3
[01:03] spies8jenny: Yeah, it's a lousy case to have to deal with because what can I really say besides what boils down to "Nuh-Uh"
[01:03] spies8chance: i'm sorry! :-(
[01:03] spies8chance: i did title it a 'theory' though.
[01:04] spies8jenny: Yeah, but with a group that seems to think asking what bussing means more then once is reasonable suspicion...
[01:04] spies8chance: heh.
[01:06] spies8jenny: Hey Lucky?
[01:06] spies8jenny: You might want to read the group chat.
[01:06] spies8chance: yeah, i see.
[01:06] spies8chance: iiiiinteresting.
[01:06] spies8chance: i want to talk to allan.
[01:06] spies8jenny: Dookie just hit the rotating blade.
[01:07] spies8chance: yep.
[01:11] spies8chance: well, there goes my major point against you. rejoice. :-P
[01:11] spies8jenny: So now we're back to "Jenny is a spy because she likes giving the town information."
[01:12] spies8chance: well, i'm back to being neutral on you.
[01:12] spies8chance: i would like to ask you a question, though.
[01:12] spies8jenny: Sure!
[01:12] spies8chance: can you explain your stance at exile 1 to me?
[01:12] spies8chance: from what i've heard, you were all about voting zedekiah until the very end.
[01:12] spies8jenny: Between Zeddy and Lexi you mean?
[01:12] spies8chance: when you switched to stephanie.
[01:12] spies8chance: is that right?
[01:13] spies8jenny: I was on Zeddy exile 1. Stephi I didn't vote for until Exile 2.
[01:14] spies8chance: hum. maybe i read wrongly, then.
[01:14] spies8jenny: As for why I voted Stephi exile 2.
[01:15] spies8jenny: The votes were going between Al, Savanny, and Themby.
[01:15] spies8jenny: 0 out of 3 that I agreed with.
[01:15] spies8jenny: I had Al's roleclaim to me to help him with at least, but voting Zeddy was obviously going to do nothing to help Savanny or Themby.
[01:16] spies8chance: whereas there might have been someone else voting for stephanie?
[01:16] spies8jenny: I had heard there was going to be votes on Stephi, and I was at least somewhat suspicious of her, so I voted her.
[01:16] spies8jenny: Didn't end up working out so well.
[01:17] spies8jenny: Like I've said quite a few times in the past, exile two was a rather lousy night for me.
[01:17] spies8chance: yeah, you have, i remember.
[02:02] spies8jenny: Yay for saving chats in case they turn out to be important!
[02:02] spies8chance: :-)
[02:02] spies8chance: so i've read about your star wars board.
[02:03] spies8chance: blue is my favorite color but i don't like that i'm on the blue side. :-(
[02:07] spies8jenny: Well I've actually moved you over to the orange board after what just happened. I don't see a good reason for a spy to post a case based entierly off what their partner was doing like that.
[02:07] spies8chance: oh goody. :-D
[02:08] spies8jenny: The whole reason the spy messenger thing came out, and rather quickly, was because of that, so yeah, sounds like a cit for now to me.

Anyways, yeah I like having my little chart. It's helpful for keeping things straight.
[02:08] spies8chance: i wish your pictures could have been just a bit bigger. i also wish i had a webcam so i could do something like that. :-(
[02:09] spies8chance: i do however have a handy dandy notepad file.
[02:09] spies8jenny: Can't do anything about the size really, that's as big as my webcam allows.
[02:10] spies8jenny: I thought you were in the room when I first brought them out before? I guess not.
[02:10] spies8chance: nope, but i'm seeing them in the group chats.

[Jenny]

Saturday, July 3, 2010 21:26:55
[21:26] spies8jenny: Hi Cory!
[21:27] spies8cory: Hi
[21:28] spies8jenny: You see the imprisonment yet?
[21:29] spies8cory: It is up?
[21:29] spies8jenny: Yep.
[21:29] spies8jenny: A good while ago.
[21:29] spies8cory: FUCK
[21:29] spies8jenny: Short one this time.
[21:29] spies8cory: I didn't know it was today
[21:29] spies8cory: Why the hell is it so early?
[21:29] spies8cory: Nita
[21:29] spies8jenny: Wait til you read the rest.
[21:30] spies8cory: Interesting
[21:30] spies8cory: Still, sad to see her go.
[21:30] spies8cory: We were pretty chill. Lol.
[21:31] spies8cory: Dude
[21:31] spies8jenny: Now you might want to read up on the group chat topic. I just let everyone know that she had claimed it to me beforehand.
[21:31] spies8cory: Why the hell was imprisonment 1 day after exile?
[21:31] spies8jenny: Exile was two days ago.
[21:32] spies8cory: Wow.
[21:32] spies8cory: I'm really getting old.
[21:32] spies8jenny: All the days starting to blend together on you?
[21:32] spies8cory: Even so, less than 2 days
[21:32] spies8cory: Yep
[21:32] spies8cory: I really thought exile was yesterday. Lol.
[21:35] spies8cory: Did Nita claim to you thinking you were a Spy or something?
[21:35] spies8jenny: Yep.
[21:35] spies8jenny: She was hoping to avoid getting imprisoned.
[21:35] spies8jenny: And thought I was a spy, so she claimed to me.
[21:35] spies8jenny: It was a little before the "saved" imprisonment happened.
[21:35] spies8jenny: Or at least that's when it started, we ended up talking long past that.
[21:36] spies8jenny: I went into a lot of that in the group chat
[21:36] spies8cory: Interesting
[21:36] spies8jenny: Skip ahead to around when Imprisonment was, I start talking about it then, along with people's questions about it.
[21:49] spies8jenny: Speaking of trombone, I have a chag log where you talked to me about calling him trombone at the start of the game. I don't even remember having that chat. I just saw it when I was posting chats and went "Wait, when did this happen?"
[21:49] spies8jenny: It was really odd.
[21:50] spies8cory: Hmm?
[21:50] spies8cory: I called him Trombone on day 1
[21:50] spies8cory: After opening chat
[21:50] spies8jenny: 00:49] spies8cory: Jenny.
[00:49] spies8cory: Trombone is trying to hit me.
[01:21] spies8jenny: heya
[01:21] spies8jenny: a rombone?
[01:22] spies8cory: Trombone. Hambone. Same thing!
[21:50] spies8jenny: That. I saw that chat and went "wait, I don't remember this happening. That can't be good."
[21:51] spies8cory: Lol.
[21:51] spies8jenny: Apparently I can sleep type.

[Jenny]

Friday, July 2, 2010 00:10:53
[00:10] spies8jenny: Themby was a cit, and no more teams.
[00:11] spies8jenny: Also, nobody has votes anymore but Owen.
[00:11] spies8dane: exile is over?
[00:11] spies8dane: and wait
[00:11] spies8dane: wtf?
[00:11] spies8jenny: But we can still nominate people for exile for owen to choose from.
[00:11] spies8jenny: Ultimate cosmic power was apparently having a vote.

Friday, July 2, 2010 00:12:38
[00:12] spies8dane: sorry, it cut out
[00:12] spies8dane: what the hell do we do if owen is a spy?
[00:12] spies8dane: is this just for this round?
[00:12] spies8dane: or permanent
[00:13] spies8jenny: Forever and ever.

More people will get votes back over time.
[00:14] spies8dane: wow
[00:14] spies8dane: just wow
[00:14] spies8jenny: Everyone else can only nominate people for the vote, like what happened tonight.
[00:14] spies8dane: gotcha
[00:14] spies8jenny: Think of episode 3 as practice for the rest of the game.
[00:14] spies8jenny: Oh and HI AGAIN!
[00:14] spies8dane: Lol, hi Gorgeous
[00:15] spies8dane: was stephanie close to being voted out?
[00:15] spies8jenny: 2 votes.
[00:15] spies8jenny: You can probably see the full tally in a few minutes.
[00:15] spies8dane: gotcha

Monday, July 5, 2010 12:34:09
[12:34] spies8jenny: Hi Dane!
[12:34] spies8dane: hey hey Gorgeous :-)
[12:35] spies8jenny: Haven't seen you around lately, how've you been?
[12:35] spies8dane: tired and busy, but otherwise good
[12:35] spies8dane: had to make my rounds to all the old fraternities 4th of july bashes
[12:35] spies8dane: I thought I might actually die of alcohol poisoning
[12:36] spies8jenny: That wouldn't be very good.
[12:36] spies8dane: it would be for the spies >.>
[12:36] spies8dane: <.<
[12:36] spies8jenny: I think even the spies would object to a player actually dying, before they got to kill them.
[12:37] spies8dane: hrrrrm, probably true
[12:37] spies8dane: but you never
[12:37] spies8dane: know
[12:37] spies8dane: so
[12:37] spies8jenny: You been able to catch up on what's been going on?
[12:37] spies8dane: if you had to choose between claude and chance
[12:37] spies8dane: which would you say is the more likely spy
[12:38] spies8jenny: If I had to choose between them, I might pick Claude, but I really have no idea where I'm going to vote yet.
[12:38] spies8jenny: Nominate. Whatever.
[12:38] spies8dane: I agree on Claude more than chance
[12:38] spies8dane: though I think there is a possibility that Claude has a citizen role he is just really bad at
[12:38] spies8dane: I actually have a question
[12:39] spies8dane: I thought Claude was responsible for both taking away chance's vote episode 2 AND preventing him from BEING voted
[12:39] spies8dane: but apparently not?
[12:41] spies8jenny: Yeah I thought so too at first, but apparently the exile block is something else entierly.
[12:41] spies8dane: hmmm
[12:42] spies8dane: that does put a bit of a different light on claude
[12:42] spies8dane: but did claude say he had that power too?
[12:42] spies8jenny: No, I think there was just some small confusion due to us seeing the "Can't Exile" topic, and then almost right after Claude claimed his role.
[12:42] spies8dane: gotcha
[12:42] spies8dane: damn democrats
[12:43] spies8dane: its scary in there
[12:43] spies8dane: and I need my one on one convos to post
[12:43] spies8dane: since I was gone last two days
[12:44] spies8jenny: One down then?
[12:44] spies8dane: so where DO you think your nom will go?
[12:44] spies8jenny: I really have no idea right now.
[12:45] spies8dane: and sam said it was the THREE people with the most noms, and all nominations are announced, right?
[12:45] spies8dane: not just how many, but who nominated who?
[12:48] spies8jenny: Yeah, I'm pretty sure we're treating nomination voting like it was a normal exile.
[12:49] spies8jenny: With the exception of the whole, "owen has to pick between them now".
[12:50] spies8dane: lol, yup
[12:53] spies8jenny: You should at least talk with Mary at least once. You just happened to catch her during her daily 10 minutes of "General Hospital"
[12:53] spies8dane: discussing you with rondak right now
[12:53] spies8dane: alrightie
[12:54] spies8jenny: She's actually talking game now, so no more scary times!
[12:54] spies8dane: but i'm already talking to two people and playing a game at the same time :-(
[12:57] spies8jenny: Who are you looking at in general?
[12:57] spies8dane: For nomination, it will probably be between Stephanie, Claude, and Zedekiah
[12:57] spies8dane: and possibly chance
[12:58] spies8jenny: Not really opposed to those. Lucky I don't know about one way or the other, but the other three haven't been ranking high on my board game note chart.

Monday, July 5, 2010 22:51:49
[22:51] spies8dane: by the way, i suspect you are cuddles
[22:52] spies8jenny: You do realize he's already posted to be in the viewer's lounge?
[22:52] spies8dane: ...no
[22:52] spies8dane: no i didno
[22:52] spies8dane: t
[22:52] spies8jenny: Now you do!
[22:52] spies8jenny:
[22:52] spies8dane: -_-
[22:53] spies8jenny: Murphy's Law doesn't just pick on him anyways.
[22:54] spies8jenny: Onto things that matter, time to read over what you're saying in the group chat.
[22:59] spies8jenny: A note about nominations by the way, it occurs to me that we should be aware that deciding between three nominations to put up is an entierly different beast then just voting who you want out the most.

We're going to have to watch to make sure spies don't slip in a person in the third slot for example. Say Marco gets 10 votes, Lauren gets 5 and then the third one is a fight between 3 people with 1 or 2 votes. Really easy for spies to exploit that. Even more dangerous if the spies ever have a majority in the actual exile votes.

[Jenny]

Saturday, July 3, 2010 18:34:49
[18:34] spies8jenny: Hi Gerty!
[18:35] spies8gertrude: Hey there, Jenny!
[18:35] spies8jenny: How are you?
[18:35] spies8gertrude: I'm doing pretty well, you?
[18:36] spies8jenny: Some drama around the house right now. Someone was trying to fix the DVD player here, finished, got up to put it back and stepped right onto the screen of their laptop breaking it.
[18:36] spies8jenny: So that's not exactly fun.
[18:38] spies8gertrude: Ouch.
[18:38] spies8jenny: Yeeeeah, not exactly the best thing to happen.
[19:43] spies8jenny: So what are you thinking with the game?
[21:25] spies8jenny: Fun times?
[21:25] spies8gertrude: Hm?
[21:25] spies8jenny: The group chat I mean.
[21:25] spies8gertrude: Oh, yeah.
[21:26] spies8jenny: Yaaay discussions!
[21:26] spies8gertrude: I'm still ecstatic about being Immune!
[21:26] spies8jenny: Still trying to decide what to think about that role.
[21:27] spies8gertrude: Mmm.

Monday, July 5, 2010 03:51:58
[03:51] spies8jenny: Probaby should go ahead and update the thread before I fall asleep on my keybaord
[03:52] spies8gertrude: Ha, yes, maybe.
[03:53] spies8jenny: Looks like I didn't miss much.
[03:54] spies8gertrude: Nope.
[03:54] spies8gertrude: A lot of entering and leaving.

Monday, July 5, 2010 20:32:01
[20:32] spies8jenny: How are you?
[20:33] spies8gertrude: I'm doing pretty good, how about yourself?
[20:33] spies8jenny: I'm alright. Just wishing more people would come on already. Holiday is over people, get back online!
[20:35] spies8gertrude: Ha, yes.
[20:36] spies8jenny: Anyways, it occured to me earlier that we should try to get a little more organized with the nominations, because voting for three people is a lot different then just focusing on one

[20:38] spies8gertrude: Mmm, that's a good point.
[20:39] spies8jenny: Have to make sure the spies don't hijack the lowest of the three especially.
[20:41] spies8gertrude: What do you mean?
[20:41] spies8jenny: You got Marco for example with 10 votes, Lauren with 5, and then the third one is being fought over by a few people with 1 or 2 votes.
[20:42] spies8gertrude: Ah.
[20:42] spies8jenny: See what I mean?
[20:42] spies8gertrude: Poor Marco.
[20:42] spies8gertrude: But yes, I see that.
[20:43] spies8jenny: Especially if we get a majority of Spies in the lynch vote group. Or Senate, or whatever it's being called.
[20:45] spies8gertrude: But..
[20:46] spies8gertrude: Do you trust Owen to be town?
[20:47] spies8jenny: For now anyways.
[20:48] spies8jenny: Either way though, if we get good suspects up for the nomination, hopefully it won't even matter.
[20:48] spies8jenny: The nominations are going to be a bigger issue then I think people are realizing.
[20:52] spies8jenny: The people with the exile votes won't be able to do diddly squid if we give them all cits to vote on. Or all spies for that matter, and even if it isn't a sweep either way, a lot of the decision is made for them by that point. with so few people with actual exile votes.
[20:53] spies8jenny: So the biggest thing to worry about is the possibility of a nomination slipping through that the spies will be able to exploit.

[Jenny]

Saturday, July 3, 2010 21:38:33
[21:38] spies8jenny: Hi Hammy!
[21:41] spies8hambone: hi
[21:42] spies8jenny: Haven't seen you much lately, how have you been?
[21:43] spies8hambone: really busy lately
[21:43] spies8jenny: Work?
[21:43] spies8hambone: yeah
[21:43] spies8jenny: Hopefully that gets better.
[21:43] spies8hambone: it will
[21:43] spies8hambone: i think
[21:43] spies8hambone: who are ur main suspects right now
[21:45] spies8jenny: Like I've said before, I mostly work backwards. Try to figure out who makes sense as a cit and narrow the list down from there. Looking at the chart I got set up though, Maggie, Claude, Stephi, and Zeddy are the ones I'm looking at right now.
[21:46] spies8hambone: some of those are similar to mine
[21:46] spies8hambone: ur my #1 though
[21:48] spies8jenny: Wel I'm glad to talk about anything you're worried about.
[21:52] spies8jenny:
[21:52] spies8hambone: ya i know
[21:52] spies8hambone: im just think about it

[Jenny]

Friday, July 2, 2010 00:28:21
[00:28] spies8jenny: Hi Jas! Haven't seen you since before teams were set up!
[00:29] spies8jasmine: Hi Jenny
[00:29] spies8jasmine: nice to meet you
[00:29] spies8jasmine: nice purple font, gurl
[00:30] spies8jenny:
[00:30] spies8jenny: Why, same to you!
[00:30] spies8jasmine: Thanks gurl!
[00:30] spies8jasmine: How are you liking the game so far?
[00:30] spies8jenny: All the people I think are cits keep dying.
[00:30] spies8jasmine: Aww.
[00:30] spies8jasmine: Themba was one?
[00:30] spies8jenny: Yeah.
[00:31] spies8jenny: Along with Savanny last week, and Gabe-Gabe from the hit.
[00:32] spies8jasmine: Gabe did seem to be citizen to me as well
[00:32] spies8jasmine: I didn't know much about Savannah though.
[00:32] spies8jenny: She was my bestest buddy.

Was not happy when she got exiled.
[00:33] spies8jasmine: :-( Aww
[00:33] spies8jasmine: I loved her at the start of the game
[00:33] spies8jasmine: Anyone with a character, for me, stuck out.
[00:33] spies8jasmine: being an alias game and all
[00:33] spies8jasmine: that is half the fun!
[00:33] spies8jenny: Which is why Claude is a poopy head.
[00:33] spies8jasmine: :-P
[00:33] spies8jasmine: He doesn't like that part, does he?
[00:34] spies8jasmine: he mentioned that when i was on his team as well.
[00:34] spies8jenny: Nope, he blatently ignores it.
[00:34] spies8jenny: And apparently hates having to write a confessional as well.
[00:34] spies8jasmine: Question jenny, if you accuse someone..do u think its right to then let everyone know who somoene is? I was thinking if i accuse someone, i should keep it to myself, yes? i dont really understand how it all works.
[00:35] spies8jasmine: Like what the point of it is, I don't see what part it really plays in the game..if i should even accuse.
[00:35] spies8jenny: Well I think Sammy's always implied that if one person found out, it could spread, so I think you're allowed to. Sammy is on if you want to be sure though.
[00:35] spies8jenny: Why, were you the one that accused Gerty before?
[00:36] spies8jasmine: i just think its somewhat odd. if you dont even know what that person is--spy or citizen. to spread it, could just lead to them getting lynched through accusation.
[00:36] spies8jasmine: Yes, I accused her. But I'm still unsure on her.
[00:36] spies8jasmine: Your the first person I told.
[00:36] spies8jasmine: So please keep this between us. :-\
[00:36] spies8jenny: Okies.
[00:36] spies8jasmine: Don't know whY i even brought it up.
[00:36] spies8jenny: Not like it really says anything alignment wise anyways for now.
[00:36] spies8jasmine: Yea, like if I was to out her. What if she is a citizen
[00:36] spies8jasmine: and then the spies jump on that?
[00:36] spies8jasmine: Vote her 2x?
[00:36] spies8jasmine: You know?
[00:37] spies8jenny: Entierly possible, which is probably why Sammy has that rule. Less a threat of people just know, and more that the other team can screw you over with it.
[00:38] spies8jasmine: Yea, hmm
[00:39] spies8jasmine: I think I'm just going to keep quiet on the whole thing.
[00:39] spies8jasmine: I know some people have suspected Gertrude in the past.
[00:39] spies8jasmine: But I haven't seen anything hardcore anyways.
[00:41] spies8jenny: A nice secret weapon to have though in case it turns out she is a spy I guess.
[00:41] spies8jasmine: yea, even then. Idk if I'd use it to exile her.
[00:41] spies8jasmine: Unless it's hard to get votes or something.
[00:41] spies8jasmine: And I really think she is it.
[00:53] spies8jenny: So after all that, who are you thinking right now?
[00:54] spies8jasmine: I'm not sure. I'm shocked Themba wasn't spy, tbh.
[00:55] spies8jenny: I wasn't I've had a cit read on her since teams came out really. To be fair, I hadn't gotten a chance to read up on what happened previous episode with you guys, but at least up to this time last week I didn't see her being a spy at all.
[00:55] spies8jasmine: Her thread with statements and questions
[00:55] spies8jasmine: if you just look at that
[00:55] spies8jasmine: the way she brings things up, and the things she does bring up
[00:55] spies8jasmine: it just seemed so stupi
[00:55] spies8jasmine: d
[00:55] spies8jasmine: and bguged the crap outta me
[00:55] spies8jasmine: but maybe i just jumped on that
[00:55] spies8jasmine: and it wasnt really spyish at all
[00:55] spies8jasmine: i need to head off tho
[00:55] spies8jasmine: ill talk to you later jenny!
[00:55] spies8jasmine: Night.
[00:56] spies8jenny: Okies!
[00:56] spies8jenny: See you soon!

Friday, July 2, 2010 21:13:07
[21:13] spies8jenny: Hi Jas!
[21:16] spies8jasmine: Hey gurl
[21:16] spies8jasmine: how are you?
[21:16] spies8jenny: Just got back from a movie.
[21:17] spies8jasmine: Please don't make it Air bender
[21:17] spies8jasmine: worst movie I ever seen.
[21:17] spies8jasmine: :-\
[21:17] spies8jenny: That's the one
[21:18] spies8jasmine: Wasn't it bad?
[21:18] spies8jasmine: I thought it was dumb.
[21:18] spies8jenny: Not really.
[21:18] spies8jasmine: You liked it?
[21:18] spies8jasmine: :-\
[21:18] spies8jasmine: I was laughing with people/texting the entire thing.
[21:18] spies8jenny: It did feel a little rushed, but it could have been worse.
[21:18] spies8jasmine: I saw it in 3D.
[21:18] spies8jasmine: Was horrid. IMO.
[21:18] spies8jasmine: lol
[21:19] spies8jenny: I didn't think it was that bad really. Just felt a little rushed, probably from tryin to make a 14 hour first season into a 2 hour movie.
[21:19] spies8jasmine: I never seen the TV show.
[21:19] spies8jasmine: Was it any good?
[21:20] spies8jenny: Yeah, I have the whole show on my itunes. It's got it's silly moments, but for the most part it's pretty well done.
[21:20] spies8jasmine: What station was it on?
[21:20] spies8jasmine: Kind of interested to see if it's any good, lol.
[21:20] spies8jasmine: It had two seasons?
[21:20] spies8jenny: Nickelodeon believe it or not. Hence why it was labeled as a nickelodeon movie.
[21:20] spies8jenny: No, 3 seasons.
[21:21] spies8jenny: This movie covered the 1st one.
[21:21] spies8jasmine: Eh. Makes me not think it will be any good. :-P
[21:22] spies8jenny: You should at least give it a look. I think it makes more sense in the cartoon form. I could see how you'd get lost with the movie if you hadn't seen the original show, I think they assume that you've seen it before.
[21:22] spies8jasmine: Some of the stuff did seem that way, yes.
[21:22] spies8jenny: Which is why I was saying it felt rushed.
[21:23] spies8jasmine: Yea. :-\
[21:23] spies8jenny: Which is fair enough when you're trying to get all the major points of what is essentially 14 hours, into two.
[21:23] spies8jasmine: BET Awards are back on! Sorry if I go silent.
[21:24] spies8jenny: Okies!
[21:27] spies8jasmine: YA TREY WOONN
[21:27] spies8jasmine: =)

Monday, July 5, 2010 20:13:52
[20:13] spies8jenny: Something bothering you? You seem a bit snippy today.
[20:14] spies8jasmine: Personal issues.
[20:14] spies8jasmine: i get throuhg them by over doing my jasmine chracter.
[20:14] spies8jenny: Anything I can help with? Or at least that I can while still keeping alias's secret?
[20:14] spies8jasmine: its turning into therapy.
[20:14] spies8jasmine: No, I'm dealing.
[20:14] spies8jasmine: Sadly.
[20:15] spies8jenny: Well hopefully whatever's bothering you gets better.
[20:15] spies8jasmine: Doubt it, but thanks. :-(
[20:16] spies8jenny: Anyways, the reason I was asking about Kitty was it says she's been logged on for over 2 days straight now, but I've yet to see her actually around this episode. So I was curious if anyone else had seen her around or not.
[20:17] spies8jasmine: ya, it might be b/c of the fourth of july
[20:17] spies8jasmine: she was around quite a bit on the new republican team.
[20:17] spies8jenny: She was marked as being available an hour ago though, and then went on away again.
[20:18] spies8jenny: I even tried to say hi when she came back, got no answer.
[20:20] spies8jasmine: hmm
[20:20] spies8jenny: So I don't really know what's going on with her.
[20:20] spies8jasmine: yea, i dont know either
[20:20] spies8jasmine: it seems like most people have kind of bailed
[20:20] spies8jasmine: lately
[20:20] spies8jasmine: :-(
[20:21] spies8jenny: Which is really obnoxious.
[20:21] spies8jenny: This is why I hate breaks in spies. This tends to happen.
[20:21] spies8jenny: Not really anything we could do about the 4th of July really, but still.
[20:22] spies8jenny: At least it sounds like we're getting a bunch of the vacations out of the way early on.
[20:22] spies8jasmine: But the break was a long time ago
[20:22] spies8jasmine: wasnt it?
[20:22] spies8jasmine: lol
[20:22] spies8jasmine: it was back when we first swapped up teams
[20:22] spies8jenny: I mean in general, either Sam made or when a holiday happens.
[20:23] spies8jasmine: oh
[20:23] spies8jasmine: lol
[20:23] spies8jasmine: i wouldnt know, is there often breaks?
[20:23] spies8jasmine: do u think we will have another one?
[20:23] spies8jenny: We'll have several more.
[20:24] spies8jasmine: every few rounds?
[20:24] spies8jasmine: hm
[20:24] spies8jenny: To be fair the way it's set up does make for an extended game, but it'd still be nice to not have several days of only 7 people on because of a break ending or holidays happening.
[20:25] spies8jasmine: I agree. Espically, I work tomorrow night
[20:25] spies8jasmine: and have plans in the morning
[20:25] spies8jasmine: so I'm voting tonight
[20:25] spies8jasmine: and I wanted to talk to so many people
[20:25] spies8jasmine: :-(
[20:25] spies8jasmine: Owen, Lilith, Chance
[20:26] spies8jasmine: Isaac
[20:26] spies8jenny: Lucky was on earlier today, the other three I haven't seen today.
[20:26] spies8jenny: At least I think he was on earlier today, unless I'm thinking last night.
[20:27] spies8jenny: Either way I haven't seen Lily all episode, Isaac I haven't seen for more then a few minutes, and Owen I got to talk to a day or two ago and haven't seen since.
[20:29] spies8jenny: I really wish these exiles and imprisonments would stop taking away people I liked talking to.
[20:29] spies8jasmine: :-(
[20:29] spies8jenny: It's getting rather annoying.
[20:29] spies8jasmine: I wish the people I liked talking to would get online.
[20:29] spies8jasmine: Idk whats up with Cinnamyn either
[20:30] spies8jasmine: she hasn't stayed online for long periods
[20:30] spies8jasmine: in awhile.
[20:30] spies8jenny: She was on earlier, I think you were for around for it.
[20:30] spies8jasmine: but she didnt do much
[20:56] spies8jenny: Looks like she's here now
[20:56] spies8jenny: Hopefully.
[20:57] spies8jenny: Except she's still not saying anything.
[20:57] spies8jasmine: I need a minute, one second. brb
[20:57] spies8jenny: Okies!

Tuesday, July 6, 2010 00:38:26
[00:38] spies8jenny: You probably noticed, but Kitty came back a little bit after you left before.

So we got to talk about what's been going on and stuff, and it'd good to see she didn't vanish or anything. Turns out it was just holiday stuff, which we kinda figured.
[00:39] spies8jasmine: oh ok, gotcha
[00:39] spies8jasmine: glad she is bk
[00:39] spies8jasmine: still hasnt done much tho
[00:41] spies8jenny: At least she isn't going inactive. That would be REALLY annoying.

[Jenny]

Monday, July 5, 2010 20:56:02
[20:56] spies8jenny: You there?
[20:58] spies8kiara: hey jenny
[20:58] spies8jenny: There you are!
[20:58] spies8kiara: lol
[20:58] spies8jenny: Haven't seen you the last few days, how have you been?
[20:59] spies8kiara: good, busy with 4th stuff
[20:59] spies8jenny: You get a chance to catch up on the stuff in the game?
[21:00] spies8kiara: i think. i mean not much seems to have happened over the week.
[21:00] spies8kiara: weekend
[21:02] spies8kiara: seems like the biggest thing was nita having claimed her role
[21:02] spies8jenny: Unfortunately.
[21:02] spies8jenny: Unfortunately being that nobody was on I mean.
[21:02] spies8jenny: Starting to get some people back finally at least.
[21:02] spies8kiara: good number of people on
[21:03] spies8jenny: More then recently anyways.
[21:03] spies8kiara: yup
[21:04] spies8jenny: So what are you thinking so far?
[21:08] spies8kiara: right now i have no real clue who id vote for. im kinda stuck on magalie with her self voting and influx in activity recently. it does worry me that she got such an overwhelming number of votes. something about it seems weird. im also worried about claude, right role seems kinda scummy to me and the way he was talking about pretty much hijacking the vote it bothersome
[21:09] spies8jenny: He ended up picking Al with that for today.
[21:11] spies8kiara: someone said he was thinking about doing that, but the fact that he was thinking about it is bad. plus there was him 'assuming im not lying' question which stuck me as bizarre
[21:12] spies8jenny: I missed that question I think.
[21:12] spies8jenny: And we were kind of asking him to use it on Al, since it was before Ni-Ni's role came out and we were hoping to confirm both the power roles at once by doing so, which seems to have worked anyways.
[21:13] spies8kiara: spies8claude (11:02:25 PM): Sam: Hypothetically assuming that I didn't lie to everyone about how my abilities work.
[21:13] spies8kiara: spies8claude (11:02:36 PM): What would happen if I told Owen he could only vote for 3 people, but none of them get nominated?
[21:13] spies8jenny: Oh right. Yeah that was just bizzare. Maybe he figured Sam wouldn't answer becuase of not wanting to confirm roles which makes sense at least.
[21:14] spies8kiara: i just cant imagine why he would ask that
[21:15] spies8jenny: Being impatient?
[21:16] spies8kiara: i mean why he would ask it at all
[21:16] spies8jenny: To get an answer about how his power was going to be affected, and was too impatient to wait for Sam to tell him in private?
[21:18] spies8kiara: ok, my bad, poor wording. the questiong is fair, but saying the if he wasnt lying is the part that bothers me
[21:19] spies8jenny: Like I said, I think he figured Sam wouldn't want to answer it, thinking Sam wouldn't want to confirm a role by answering.
[21:19] spies8jenny: Certainly didn't come off well though.
[21:20] spies8kiara: still i think its weird
[22:09] spies8jenny: spies8broderick: Lol. Aye aye aye. I will be flabbergasted if the spies don't win
[22:09] spies8kiara: say what?
[22:09] spies8jenny: Arg, Meebo ate one of my IM's.
[22:10] spies8jenny: [22:09] spies8jenny: You see this at all?
[22:09] spies8jenny: spies8broderick: Lol. Aye aye aye. I will be flabbergasted if the spies don't win
[22:13] spies8kiara: yeah i got that, but i dont get it lol hes giving up after a few misexiles?
[22:13] spies8jenny: A couple of us were thinking if he meant to say that to a spy buddy.
[22:15] spies8kiara: iduno, if i was a spy saying that to another spy, i think id most likely say 'i will be flabbergasted if we dont win'
[22:16] spies8jenny: Possible I guess. Might have just been speaking about the group in general though, I've done that a few times myself when talking about cits.
[22:17] spies8kiara: true
[22:18] spies8kiara: did he have anything more to say about it?
[22:19] spies8jenny: Besides claming it was to see who was lurking? Not really.
[22:20] spies8kiara: lol what? how does that make any sense
[22:20] spies8jenny: That's kind of what we're saying.
[22:20] spies8jenny: it's in the group chats
[22:20] spies8jenny: You should be able to ctrl+f for that line
[22:20] spies8jenny: and go from there.
[22:21] spies8kiara: ill have to take a look when its posted
[22:22] spies8jenny: It's already posted.
[22:22] spies8jenny: it was from last night.
[22:22] spies8jenny: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=822

That topic
[22:23] spies8kiara: oh ok i thought it was recent
[22:23] spies8jenny: Well last night is fairly recent to me.
[23:12] spies8jenny: You coming in the group chat?
[23:13] spies8kiara: they overwhelm me, but i probably should join it
[23:13] spies8jenny:
[23:13] spies8jenny: You need another invite, or no?
[23:14] spies8jenny: I guess not.
[23:14] spies8kiara: lol thanks anyway

Tuesday, July 6, 2010 16:45:14
[16:45] spies8jenny: Hi Kitty!
[16:45] spies8kiara: hey jen! wassup?
[16:45] spies8jenny: Not a lot, just finishing up at work.
[16:46] spies8jenny: So what are you thinking with the game lately?
[16:46] spies8kiara: honestly im the least sure now ive been so far
[16:47] spies8kiara: i threw in a placeholder vote cuz im going to be out all day
[16:47] spies8kiara: riding in a car rite now
[16:48] spies8jenny: That sounds like fun.
[16:48] spies8kiara: im almost glad i have only a nomination and not a vote
[16:49] spies8jenny: Just put up a wall of text with youtube video about Ni-Ni a few minutes ago. So that was interesting.
[16:51] spies8kiara: lol ill have to read through that. personally i dont get all the fuss
[16:52] spies8jenny: Me either, which is pretty much what my wall of text is saying.
[16:52] spies8jenny: "You guys are having a hissy fit over nothing, can we move on to something that actually matters now?"
[16:53] spies8jenny: Except it's a more detailed version of it.

Tuesday, July 6, 2010 17:42:21
[17:42] spies8jenny: Hi Kitty!
[17:42] spies8kiara: hey
[17:43] spies8kiara: grr im starting to not like this mobile app lol
[17:43] spies8jenny:
[17:44] spies8jenny:
[17:44] spies8kiara: read you big post made me lol
[17:44] spies8jenny:
[17:44] spies8jenny: You like the video I put in?
[17:45] spies8kiara: couldnt get it to load
[17:48] spies8jenny: ah well.
[17:48] spies8jenny: Maybe later
[17:49] spies8kiara: just read lils nomination post. lulwat?
[17:49] spies8jenny: What about it seems strange to you?
[17:50] spies8jenny: The dream part I guess?
[17:53] spies8kiara: other than 'i had a dream' part. where and when did he say that? a quote would be nice. plus she thinks every other suspect is town? but would still vote larry?
[17:54] spies8jenny: I do remember him saying that, so it was probably in the group chats.
[17:55] spies8kiara: well if your going to make a claim like that you should be able to reference it for those who werent there
[17:56] spies8jenny: That's why they're posted

Let me see if I can find it.
[17:56] spies8kiara: im not reading through every log to find it
[17:56] spies8jenny: Ctrl + F is your friend.
[17:56] spies8jenny: Unless of course you're on a phone.
[17:56] spies8kiara:
[17:57] spies8jenny: [02:20] spies8magalie: I didnt say you were my top suspect chance where did you read that?
[02:20] spies8chance: hold on i'm finding it.
[02:21] spies8gertrude: I posted a response to your thread, Broderick.
[02:21] spies8tina: What does "up claudes ass" mean?
[02:21] spies8magalie: well you and Claude both start with C and I get confused it would not surprise me
[02:21] spies8gertrude: And anyone else who's interested.
[02:21] spies8chance: [21:51] spies8magalie: My top three suspects are still chance.
[21:51] spies8rondak: It almost seems like a taunt.
[21:52] spies8rondak: But one would hope that the Spies would be intelligent enough to not really communicate on AIM, in fear of said slips.
[17:57] spies8jenny: He was talking in reference to Ricky's ridiculous statement about spies guarenteed to win.
[17:57] spies8jenny: And the possibility of it being a message he meant to send to someone else.
[17:58] spies8kiara: see hold on let me reread that
[17:58] spies8jenny: Ricky's comment?
[17:58] spies8jenny: [01:37] spies8broderick: Lol. Aye aye aye. I will be flabbergasted if the spies don't win

[18:00] spies8kiara: to me rods comment just sounds like someon who is used to form mafia. which is consistsnt with what hes said
[18:01] spies8kiara: rickys was a bit odd but dont a huge flag for me
[18:29] spies8jenny: He says he's never played mafia at all, although yes he could be lying about that.

[Jenny]

Friday, July 2, 2010 14:23:39
[14:23] spies8jenny: Hi Lawry!
[14:23] spies8lawrence: Hey there.
[14:24] spies8jenny: How are you?
[14:25] spies8lawrence: Hungry. Just sat down on the couch with some leftovers for lunch, and had some time to log on and see what all got posted since last night.
[14:26] spies8lawrence: The Owen dictator thing is huge.
[14:26] spies8jenny: And crazy nuttyness.
[14:27] spies8lawrence: So, while I have you here--I saw enough of last episode to see that there was a case being pushed on you. While I haven't managed to read it fully yet, would you care to comment before I do?
[14:28] spies8jenny: What would you like to know in particular?
[14:29] spies8lawrence: Well, I guess consider this your chance to get a defense in before I manage to read the full case. I don't know what the focus was on; I basically was able to see Mags was going to be the nominee, and focused on my side again.
[14:31] spies8jenny: I'd rather you read the case, and ask me questions afterwards, because otherwise you're not going to know what I'm refering to.
[14:31] spies8lawrence: Fair enough.
[14:43] spies8lawrence: So, I guess the big question is--why did you claim for Allan publicly?
[14:44] spies8jenny: Because he wasn't there.
[14:44] spies8jenny: And I had the impression that he was going to be exiled.
[14:45] spies8jenny: I was hoping he'd come on so he could say something at least, but he didn't arrive until 2 hours until after exile ended.
[14:45] spies8lawrence: Wasn't he, up to that point, basically non-existant? He'd even 'quit' at one point, right?
[14:45] spies8lawrence: Or did that come later?
[14:46] spies8jenny: I'd have to look up the exact date, but he had "quit" a couple days before, much to my annoyance, and had only really come back the day before exile.
[14:47] spies8jenny: He was around here and there, but apparently he got sick of people always picking on him about not being on when he did come on, and got irritated over that.

Which is fairly dumb to be irritated about I think, but whatever.
[14:47] spies8lawrence: Yeah, a little bit.
[14:47] spies8lawrence: He's the one that copies the roles used against him, right?
[14:48] spies8jenny: Yeah, that's the short version I guess.
[14:50] spies8lawrence: You believe him then, I guess?
[14:51] spies8jenny: He claimed it to me two days into the game. Personally I don't see much of a good reason for anyone to claim a fake role like that two days into the game, and less likely for a spy to do something like that.
[14:51] spies8lawrence: Why would he claim at all though?
[14:51] spies8jenny: He drives me up a wall sometimes, but I don't think he's a spy.
[14:51] spies8jenny: He apparently claimed to me because he thought I was a cit, and I wasn't always being mean to him.
[14:52] spies8lawrence: So, basically, he thought you'd watch his back.
[14:52] spies8jenny: Not really the way it came across to me.
[14:53] spies8lawrence: Guess I'll have to check with him on that.
[14:53] spies8jenny: Sounded more like he just wanted someone to tell it to, and figured I was the best option.
[14:54] spies8lawrence: That's a little strange in and of itself.
[14:54] spies8jenny: Not so much really, you'd be surprised how often I've seen that happen.
[14:55] spies8jenny: Good idea or not, I've seen it happen often enough to know that it's an entierly possible reason.
[14:55] spies8lawrence: I guess that's true.

Saturday, July 3, 2010 12:54:26
[12:54] spies8jenny: So how are you?
[12:54] spies8lawrence: Not too bad. Got a good nights sleep for once.
[13:25] spies8jenny: So what are you thinking with the game so far?
[13:26] spies8lawrence: I'm thinking their's some juicy stuff so far in ep4 chat that I'm going to have to pull out. Nita, Brody, Chance all had some "good" things to use. Whether or not there's enough to make a full case, I dunno yet.
[13:27] spies8jenny: How so?
[13:28] spies8lawrence: I'm just reading still, haven't started to collate. But the Nita/Brody argument was rife with suspicious moments on both sides. Doubt both are spies, but it's stuff to pull. I'm getting into Chances stuff now, and (note, I'd already suspected him somewhat) I'm just not liking the way this is coming out.
[13:28] spies8jenny: Anything in particular that stands out?
[13:29] spies8lawrence: Mainly that he's making the same tired case against Claude.
[13:29] spies8lawrence: Though, he did make one relatively new point that I thought about, and made sense. So I'm definitely going to have to re-examine that relationship.
[13:30] spies8jenny: What was that?
[13:30] spies8lawrence: That despite Claude's insistence that Chance is a spy, he hasn't really put up a full case against him yet. You'd think that he would do so. More than just a paragraph here and there, I mean.
[13:31] spies8jenny: I don't really know what claude's deal is really.
[13:31] spies8lawrence: He's got tunnel vision.
[13:32] spies8lawrence: He switches tunnels on occaasion, but it's always tunnelling.
[13:35] spies8jenny: That much I've noticed.
[13:37] spies8lawrence: Did Nita ever say what her 'proof' was that the Repubs weren't paying attention to t he democratic cases?
[13:38] spies8jenny: I think it had mostly to do with that nobody seemed to be talking about it much in the group logs you guys posted.
[13:38] spies8lawrence: Not much in the way of proof, but I guess that's what I'd be looking at too.

Tuesday, July 6, 2010 16:15:03
[16:15] spies8jenny: Hi Lawry!
[16:15] spies8lawrence: Afternoon.
[16:17] spies8jenny: How are you?
[16:17] spies8lawrence: Ok. Trying to catch up from two days away.
[16:19] spies8lawrence: And trying to decide which is the better strategy for nominations--give Owen as much choice as I can, or just go with the person I think is most suspicious. Of course, it may not be mutually exclusive from the looks of things.
[16:20] spies8jenny: Who are you suspecting for the time being?
[16:21] spies8lawrence: Magalie is still my top suspect. Followed by Chance, Stephanie and Isaac to lesser degrees; Jasmine, Brody, Tina, and Gertie trying to watch closely.
[16:22] spies8jenny: Chance doesn't make sense to me as a spy after what happened last night.
[16:23] spies8lawrence: What happened?
[16:23] spies8lawrence: I haven't gotten to the log thread yet.
[16:23] spies8jenny: Well Lucky made a topic on me saying he was suspicious of me because of there being word out that Gabe-Gabe was the doctor and protected Ni-Ni the first night.
[16:23] spies8lawrence: Ok, yeah, I did see that.
[16:23] spies8jenny: Soon after that, the truth came out about what happened, and we figured out that there is a spy messenger in the game.
[16:24] spies8jenny: That was trying to give false information about it, by pretending to be Savanny sending messages from the viewer's lounge.
[16:24] spies8jenny: It doesn't make sense to me for a spy to post a case based on something they would have known was completely faulty information, and an easy ruse to figure out if ever really looked at.
[16:25] spies8jenny: Over just bandwagoning about reasons other people kept repeating.
[16:25] spies8lawrence: Pretending to be Savannah sending messages from viewer's lounge? Now I really have to look at the logs. What does that mean? They were getting PMs?
[16:25] spies8jenny: No.
[16:25] spies8jenny: Messages in their confessional.
[16:25] spies8jenny: Courtesy of a messenger role.
[16:26] spies8jenny: Savanny was a messenger role, but she's been exiled.
[16:26] spies8lawrence: Ah, ok. I think I get it now.
[16:26] spies8jenny: And there is no way Sam would let a role be used after they were exiled.
[16:26] spies8jenny: Which leaves a spy version. Especially since the last time this sort of role came out, it worked the exact same way with one on both teams.
[16:27] spies8lawrence: Well, as has been stated multiple times (usually when I call out the balance of a SpyClaude), guessing what Sam would or would not do is a futile matter.
[16:27] spies8lawrence: But that does make sense.
[16:27] spies8jenny: In most cases I agree, but unless you want to start telling me that Sammy would allow usage of roles after death, I think we can make an exception here.
[16:27] spies8lawrence: I can't imagine it would happen, no. Just playing devil's advocate.
[16:28] spies8jenny: I know, I'm just answering it.

[Jenny]

Saturday, July 3, 2010 23:07:23
[23:07] spies8jenny: Hi Owen!
[23:07] spies8owen: Hey, was just about to message you as well.
[23:07] spies8jenny: Someone had to borrow my laptop for a while, they just finished up.
[23:08] spies8owen: It's all good. How's it going?
[23:08] spies8jenny: I'm doing well, you?
[23:10] spies8owen: Woke up from a nap to see that my most trusted citizen was dead.
[23:10] spies8owen: Oh, and wasn't a citizen.
[23:11] spies8jenny: Yeah, did you see the latest group chat post?
[23:11] spies8owen: So I'm a bit "mehhhhh."
[23:11] spies8jenny: From imprisonment time?
[23:11] spies8owen: I didn't actually, someone brought it up to me and I figured I'd talk to you about it on my own since we haven't talked in a while anyway.
[23:12] spies8owen: And because, well, as you probably know, I am so unsure about you. :/
[23:12] spies8jenny: Well I'm right here, so if you have anything you want to ask about, feel free!
[23:13] spies8jenny: I'm going to be reading up a little bit of what I missed when I stepped out.
[23:13] spies8owen: I'm not sure even how to ask my main concern as a question. It's mainly me feeling like you're holding back. It could all just be your playstyle.
[23:14] spies8jenny: Ni-Ni actually said something about that too.
[23:14] spies8jenny: Thought I was doing less to keep from slipping or something.
[23:15] spies8owen: Yeah -- I just feel like you have so much more to offer and I haven't heard much from you. Again, it could be playstyle, could be trust, could be trying to avoid slips.
[23:16] spies8jenny: If you can think of any particular example, maybe that could help get your point across? Although, then again the whole point might be that there isn't examples to show really.
[23:18] spies8owen: (3:59:29 AM) spies8dane: i'd like you to do something for me real quick
(3:59:48 AM) spies8dane: push someone you suspect beside zedekiah on me
(3:59:49 AM) spies8dane: right now
(4:00:00 AM) spies8dane: and try to convince me to vote said person
(4:00:28 AM) spies8dane: i'll start you off
(4:00:45 AM) spies8dane: gee gorgeous, i'm not really sure who to vote, they all sound so good and innocent
(4:00:49 AM) spies8owen: I don't think you're referring to me as gorgeous, so I'll just chill for now.
(4:01:04 AM) spies8dane: your next gymteacher
(4:01:05 AM) spies8jenny: I was just talking about it with Owen actually, we were talking about how Stephi-kins is coming off fairly strange with her reasons for voting certain people. I'm hoping to get some more information from or about her, if not for tomorrow's exile then before the 3rd one.
(4:01:46 AM) spies8dane: thats pushing a vote?
(4:02:20 AM) spies8jenny: I'm not one to push votes really. I just state what I think on something and let others use the information how they like.
[23:18] spies8owen: I know you explain it there, but I feel like you've got more than that.
[23:19] spies8owen: I feel like you're one of the more aware/experienced players in the game, so it's just throwing me off.
[23:19] spies8jenny: I will say it's certainly different this time around. I'm used to playing like this, and this is the first time really that it's coming off as spy like.
[23:20] spies8owen: Very interesting.
[23:20] spies8owen: That's the crazy part about Mafia.
[23:20] spies8owen: Things you do in other games come across differently in others. Been there.
[23:20] spies8jenny: Big jumble of playstyles thrown together, and watch the mayhem.
[23:21] spies8owen: So, with Nita, did she basically pull an Anton/Chloe?
[23:21] spies8jenny: Yeah, just a bit sooner.
[23:21] spies8jenny: She thought I was a spy, and she didn't want to be imprisoned, so she claimed to me.
[23:22] spies8owen: Yeah, I was a bit surprised when I heard she told you (since I knew she was susp of you), but then I remembered the Anton/Chloe thing.
[23:22] spies8owen: The worst part of this is that Nita was the person I felt I was working most closely with. Now I'm not sure what to take seriously from what we've talked about.
[23:22] spies8owen: Since she had missions.
[23:23] spies8jenny: Well she seemed to at least agree with me to focus on the citizen tasks over the spy ones.
[23:23] spies8owen: I know she REALLY was hunting, but what parts are exagerrated because of her missions? Etc.
[23:23] spies8jenny: After much pointless negotiating about not getting her imprisoned.
[23:24] spies8owen: Hahaha. Was she still convinced you were a spy for a bit after claiming to you?
[23:24] spies8jenny: She felt like I was a spy still when I asked her a day or two ago.
[23:24] spies8jenny: No wait, 2 or 3 days ago.
[23:24] spies8jenny: I had asked her if she still thought so, along with asking if a no exile was a task.
[23:24] spies8jenny: So it would have been before exile.
[23:25] spies8owen: Was the no exile a task?
[23:25] spies8jenny: Nope.
[23:25] spies8owen: Also, she claimed to have "messed up" and voted for Themba.
[23:25] spies8owen: Episode 2.
[23:25] spies8jenny: I thought it might have been with how much she was going on with it, but apparently it wasn't.
[23:25] spies8owen: I think that might have been a mission.
[23:26] spies8owen: She said she wrote reasonings and everything for Sav.
[23:26] spies8owen: But mistakenly wrote Themba as her vote.
[23:26] spies8jenny: She did tell me having a tie was one of her tasks, but even with that, it was hardly close.
[23:26] spies8owen: Yeah, doubt that was that one.
[23:26] spies8owen: What were the tasks she had you work on?
[23:27] spies8jenny: She actually ended up not having me help work on them so much, as it became "just let me live, and I don't make a case on you" even though I told her I wouldn't have minded if she did.
[23:28] spies8jenny: She'd tell me about a task once in a while if it came up somehow, but she never really told me any as far as wanting me to help her do them.
[23:28] spies8owen: Ahh, gotcha.
[23:28] spies8jenny: Like for example, when Al claimed to Ni-Ni.
[23:29] spies8jenny: I found out after the fact that having a role claim to her was a task of hers.
[23:29] spies8jenny: And that she wanted to find out if it had to be a real role for it to count.
[23:29] spies8jenny: Apparently it did, so unless she decided to lie about that for some reason, Al's power role is confirmed.
[23:30] spies8owen: I'm questioning her Cinnaymyn suspicions, as she never really gave me any reasons why she didn't trust her.
[23:30] spies8jenny: I don't remember her ever talking about Spice with me. I'd have to check to be sure though.
[23:31] spies8owen: We were trying to come up with a group of trusted citizens to help with my decision, Cin got brought up, she shot that down.
[23:31] spies8owen: Only other person she thought I should ask was Awo.
[23:31] spies8jenny: Hali I've been thinking is a cit myself for the time being.
[23:32] spies8jenny: Just from some chats we've had.
[23:32] spies8owen: Still have yet to talk to him.
[23:34] spies8jenny: Mary I'm liking too, since she took the idea I said we should have during that last exile about having a topic for you guys to see our suspicions on, and expanding on it.
[23:34] spies8owen: I thought that was a good idea, too.
[23:34] spies8owen: Another one I haven't gotten to talk to yet.
[23:36] spies8jenny: Anyways, as far as your original question goes, I've never really been one to actively push for any particular case unless there was a good reason for it (by which usually meant an investigation, or they admitted to it or something). Otherwise, I'm usually just fine with stating my thoughts on whatever, and hearing what others have to say about it.
[23:38] spies8jenny: "Hey there. I'm probably going to vote for Green Lantern, that whole weakness to yellow thing seems off to me. What do you think?"
[23:39] spies8owen: Understandable. Hooray for me assuming that experienced players don't have this playstyle.
[23:40] spies8jenny: Better then mr "AIM is for chumps" harold right?
[23:43] spies8jenny: Oh hey, was there anything from my pm to you about those questions that you wanted to ask about?
[23:44] spies8owen: "It's slightly obnoxious when three of your favorite people to talk to get taken away in some form in a row."
[23:44] spies8owen: ...I know the feeling all too well.
[23:44] spies8owen: And I lynched one of them myself. >_>
[23:45] spies8jenny: Yeah, exile 2 was not a fun night for me.
[23:45] spies8owen: 3 was the worst for me.
[23:46] spies8jenny: "Hey let's vote Al!"

What? No, don't do that!

"I think Savanny could be a spy though!

No dang it stop that!

"What about Themba, she could be a spy!"

You're doing this on purpose!
[23:46] spies8owen: Themba was my favorite person to talk to in the game. :/
[23:46] spies8owen: lmao.
[23:48] spies8jenny: Speaking of which, I need to update my board game notes before I go to bed to adjust for imprisonment.
[23:49] spies8jenny: Okies, there we go.
[23:51] spies8jenny: No idea what I'm going to do for the next vote really. That last imprisonment didn't really help me at all.
[23:52] spies8owen: I don't know what I'm doing for the next vote either. I'd say my situation is a bit more tragic.
[23:52] spies8jenny: "Yes, great. Ni-Ni's not a spy. I kind of guessed that myself, thanks."
[23:52] spies8owen: Yep, that didn't help at all. :/
[23:53] spies8owen: Her and Gabe back to back Imp's. I'M NOT FEELING THIS.
[23:53] spies8owen: Once I start to trust someone, they're dead. Great.
[23:53] spies8jenny: ... Maybe I should not have you trust me then, it might be bad for my health.
[23:53] spies8owen: Maybe it's a good thing I'm wary of you.
[23:53] spies8jenny:
[23:54] spies8jenny: HAH, BEAT YOU TO SAYING IT
[23:54] spies8owen: It shows mine first on mine!
[23:54] spies8jenny: Must have done it at about the same time then.
[23:54] spies8jenny: By the way, completely random note.
[23:55] spies8jenny: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=imprisonment&action=display&thread=600

spies2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=holding834&action=display&thread=58

Poor Gabe-Gabe. He didn't even get imprisoned in an original manner.
[23:57] spies8owen: LOL
[23:57] spies8owen: Love it, minus seeing Gabe imprisoned again.
[23:58] spies8jenny: I knew I'd seen that story before!
[23:58] spies8jenny: So apparently, Kitty is invisible.
[23:59] spies8jenny: She's in the chat room, but not showing as online.
[00:00] spies8jenny: So who else are you thinking about for now?
[00:01] spies8owen: I must find something on you!
[00:01] spies8owen: Nah, I'm gonna see what everyone has to offer and look everything over closely. Can't lie, I'm a bit overwhelmed by it at the moment.
[00:02] spies8jenny: I don't doubt that at all.
[00:02] spies8owen: Especially coming off a round that I was so indecisive.
[00:02] spies8jenny: "So just to let you know, you're the one that decides who goes next, so it's all on you this time. Have fun with that!"
[00:03] spies8owen: "You haven't caught a spy since day 1. The Burg has collapsed. It's all on your shoulders."
[00:04] spies8jenny: [23:57] spies8jenny: So why are you invisible?
[00:03] spies8kiara: trying to figue out aim moble. not sure how to change it
[00:04] Meebo Message: spies8kiara is online
[00:06] spies8owen: (7/4/2010 12:05:13 AM) spies8kiara: attempting to figure out aim moble. failure
[00:07] spies8jenny: Might just be nothing then. Something to note anyways.
[00:09] spies8owen: Be right back. Need to grab something to eat.
[00:10] spies8jenny: Okies!
[00:22] spies8owen: Alrighty, I'm back.
[00:22] spies8jenny: Yaaay!
[00:22] spies8owen: And of course, Cin just leaves.
[00:22] spies8owen: Damn it.
[00:24] spies8jenny: I can't believe it's so quiet.
[00:24] spies8jenny: It's holiday weekend, perfect time to come on!
[00:24] spies8owen: Brod talking to himself in chat. Sad
[00:25] spies8owen: [00:46] spies8broderick: I'm trying to have a game related discussion here.
[00:46] spies8broderick: Why are you so adverse to one?
[00:46] spies8magalie: okay but sometimes thats why people leave when you are in the chat room
[00:46] spies8magalie: because your borin
[00:47] spies8broderick: lol. Evidence
[00:47] spies8broderick: Show it
[00:47] spies8magalie: okay fine
[00:47] spies8magalie: has left the chat
[00:25] spies8owen: Always makes me giggle.
[00:27] spies8jenny: Anything else you want to ask about while we're both on at the same time for a change?
[00:28] spies8jenny: Oh hey, I just remembered.
[00:28] spies8jenny: I was reading through last night's chat.
[00:28] spies8owen: Anything for me?
[00:28] spies8jenny: Al wasn't exactly the most clear on when claims happened.
[00:28] spies8owen: I rarely get asked anything. :/
[00:28] spies8jenny: I can help with that quick.
[00:29] spies8owen: It's bothersome.
[00:29] spies8owen: When was the first claim?
[00:29] spies8jenny: Two days after the game started.
[00:29] spies8jenny: June 18th.
[00:30] spies8owen: Hmm...
[00:30] spies8jenny: Ni-Ni claimed to me on June 22nd.
[00:30] spies8owen: I really still think his early claim to you was odd. Though, I haven't seen the convos you guys had.
[00:30] spies8jenny: And Al claimed to Ni-Ni on the 23rd.
[00:30] spies8owen: But from all things I've seen, he's really new.
[00:30] spies8jenny: Yay chat logs!
[00:30] spies8owen: He's afraid to make cases because he doesn't want to be imprisoned.
[00:30] spies8owen: Etc.
[00:31] spies8owen: Told me last night he wants Claude gone just to get rid of his powers.
[00:31] spies8jenny: So that should help clear up times a bit.
[00:32] spies8jenny: For the record, the 2nd exile was the 24th.
[00:33] spies8jenny: and the first was on the 20th. Wow, that really was a short round.
[00:36] spies8jenny: I'll be right back, going to get myself a drink.
[00:37] spies8jenny: Okies I'm back!
[00:38] spies8jenny: So can I just say I find it bizzare I'm being refered to as the Spies Expert?
[00:38] spies8owen: Welcome back.
[00:38] spies8owen: Hahaha, I think it's because you've made a few references and have tried mentoring the newer players.
[00:38] spies8owen: Like Ronnie.
[00:39] spies8jenny: Well yeah, but I'd think it'd be a good idea to know what happened before so that we don't make the exact same mistakes.
[00:40] spies8jenny: Like say, deciding to just go no exile and let the other team exile their suspect, spend the whole episode doing nothing, and act like a bunch of freemasons.
[00:40] spies8owen: Republicans = Freemasons.
[00:40] spies8owen: Scarrry times.
[00:40] spies8jenny: I was going to say Democrats were, since people were suggesting doing no exile to let you just exile your suspect.
[00:41] spies8jenny: Which sounded just like when freemasons were going "yeah the spies are on the other team, let's just exile whoever they pick"
[00:41] spies8owen: Honestly, we got little to nothing accomplished over here last round.
[00:41] spies8owen: Just a lot of "omg, we caught a spy, you guys haven't" and then the ex-Demo's getting really defensive and feeling like they were being ganged up on.
[00:42] spies8owen: "This is terrible."
[00:42] spies8jenny: I just find it bizzare in general still. Does nobody actually listen to the advice of reading up on past games to see what happened?
[00:43] spies8owen: And yeah, now I see what you're saying with the comparison.
[00:45] spies8jenny: I mean, I know that Sammy isn't exactly fond of talking about past games in general, but there's a difference between going "Wasn't this game awesome? Good times." and "Hey we might want to pay attention here, this seems similar to what happened in this occasion.
[00:47] spies8owen: Yeah -- I'm guilty of making a joke about past games or two, but I mostly bring things up as references.
[00:47] spies8owen: Like Alexei picking an early target in Zeddy and then backing off. I compared that to Stone with Henry. Stuff like that, I think, is fine.
[00:50] spies8jenny: So what's cory questioning you about?
[00:52] spies8owen: He was testing me to see if I killed Nita and Gabe, I believe.
[00:53] spies8jenny: How does that work out?
[00:53] spies8owen: He says Tina is next.
[00:53] spies8owen: I have no idea what the basis is, I just think he wanted to be an asshole.
[00:53] spies8owen: I want my closest allies dead, of course.
[00:53] spies8owen: Makes a lot of sense.
[00:54] spies8jenny: No, see, apparently it's my allies they want dead.
[00:54] spies8owen: Mine!
[00:54] spies8jenny: 4 out of 5 now.
[00:54] spies8owen: Oh, you win.
[00:54] spies8jenny: Or 6 depending on if you want to count margot.
[00:54] spies8jenny: 4/7 for margot/cammie
[00:55] spies8jenny: Either way though, it's getting annoying.
[00:55] spies8owen: Nita told me she loved me. *tear*
[00:56] spies8jenny: I keep having to find a new person to gab to.
[01:06] spies8jenny: Back to discussion in the group chat for me it seems.
[01:20] spies8jenny: You still around?
[01:20] spies8jenny: Seem to have gotten quiet.
[01:25] spies8owen: Cory is being a bit ridiclous with the way he questions me.
[01:25] spies8jenny: He asking things hoping you'll slip something?
[01:26] spies8jenny: I'm just trying to convince people in the group chat right now that it would have been pointless to say about Ni-Ni being a third party before now.
[01:32] spies8owen: Yeah, he's trying to get me to slip, I believe.
[01:32] spies8owen: He's backed off of it a bit and is being less annoying though.
[01:33] spies8jenny: If you get a minute, feel free to catch up in the group chat.
[01:35] spies8owen: I think I should be good to read up now.
[01:49] spies8jenny: A lot to catch up on I take it?
[01:52] spies8owen: Cory started again, sorry.
[01:52] spies8jenny: Fun times.
[01:52] spies8owen: And Lilith sent me the longest theory
[01:52] spies8owen: about psychology.
[01:52] spies8jenny: Wow.
[01:52] spies8owen: and even sent a case study.
[01:52] spies8owen: >_>
[01:52] spies8jenny: Did it at least relate to spies?
[01:52] spies8owen: Yep.
[01:52] spies8owen: Well, it could. I'm not sure if it would be effective.
[01:54] spies8jenny: How far are you into it?
[01:55] spies8owen: Not far -- going back between that and Cory. Multi-tasking fail.
[02:08] spies8owen: A lot of it had to deal with how strong you were in your convictions.
[02:08] spies8owen: If you're more indecisive, you're likely lying.
[02:08] spies8owen: I don't think that works in Spies.
[02:09] spies8owen: Unless you've got tunnel-vision, there's always uncertainty.
[02:09] spies8jenny: cough cough claude cough?
[02:09] spies8owen: Percisely.
[02:11] spies8jenny: Finally able to catch up in the group chat then, now that he's not bugging you?
[02:13] spies8owen: Still reading.
[02:13] spies8owen: I agree that it made no sense for you to reveal Nita as 3rd party.
[02:13] spies8owen: She was still hunting.
[02:17] spies8owen: LOL @ Brod's "lurk test."
[02:19] spies8jenny: Oy.
[02:20] spies8owen: That was a stupid thing to say regardless.
[02:20] spies8jenny: No matter what he is, I want to smack him upside the head.
[02:20] spies8owen: But I do agree that you did the right thing by not outting Nita.
[02:21] spies8jenny: Because everyone that reads my explanation knows I'm right, it would devolve into everyone singing the mob song from beauty and the beast, and accomplish nothing of worth.
[02:23] spies8owen: If it was someone that hasn't been helping and has done scummy things, yeah, out it.
[02:23] spies8owen: But Nita was hunting.
[02:24] spies8owen: Wasn't neccessary to say anything right now.
[02:24] spies8owen: Maybe as the game progressed.
[02:24] spies8jenny: That's what I was saying, as long as she was helping us out, there was no point to treating her any different.
[02:25] spies8jenny: Now that she's dead though, sure let's get some more information out on it, but before tonight there was no real reason to doing so.
[02:25] spies8owen: After thinking it through, I tend to believe most (if not all) of her actual suspicions.
[02:26] spies8owen: I believe I know who she was in hindsight, and said person would play more for the town.
[02:26] spies8owen: Metagame HATE, but it fits.
[02:27] spies8jenny: I'll have to trust you with that in particular.
[02:28] spies8owen: Though, I'm not sure about why she doesn't trust Cin.
[02:28] spies8jenny: Actually
[02:29] spies8jenny: Strange thing on that.
[02:29] spies8owen: That's the only thing I never really got a thorough reasoning or.
[02:29] spies8owen: for*
[02:29] spies8jenny: Now that I think about it.
[02:29] spies8jenny: After that "past spies players' challenge and the one that followed ended.
[02:29] spies8jenny: Ni-Ni went on about how we shouldn't post that log. She felt that it showed Spice to be a vet with how well she did in it, and she didn't want the spies to imprison her because of her being a vet.
[02:30] spies8owen: I think I know exactly who she is.
[02:30] spies8jenny: I still kept a copy in my confessional, since it was a pointless thing to get into an argument over.
[02:30] spies8owen: Based on how strong she was.
[02:30] spies8owen: Hmmm.
[02:30] spies8jenny: So I dunno why she'd be worried about her getting imprisoned if she suspected her.
[02:30] spies8owen: Interesting. Didn't want her Imped, but susp of her.
[02:31] spies8jenny: A just in case thing maybe?
[02:31] spies8owen: Perhaps. Not sure what to think about that.
[02:31] spies8jenny: Something to keep in mind anyways.
[02:33] spies8jenny: When was it again that she suspected Spice?
[02:34] spies8owen: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=768
[02:35] spies8owen: Just found that. There's some reasons there.
[02:35] spies8jenny: Okies, so a day before the issue came up about being a vet.
[02:35] spies8owen: But the first time I heard it was in chat after we were all put back together.
[02:35] spies8owen: But that was after this post.
[02:38] spies8jenny: Not really enough to be worth voting on, but something to keep in mind for the future anyways.
[02:39] spies8jenny: Especially because who knows exactly what she was thinking.
[02:39] spies8owen: Mmhmm. I've got a townish vibe from Cin from what I've read.
[02:47] spies8jenny: Alright, I should head to sleep. I'll go update the log quick, and head to sleep.
[02:47] spies8jenny: Any last minute stuff quick?
[02:48] spies8owen: Hmm. Not anything I can think of in particular.
[02:48] spies8owen: G'night.
[02:48] spies8jenny: Night!

Monday, July 5, 2010 22:29:30
[22:29] spies8jenny: Hi Owen!
[22:30] spies8owen: Hey there.
[22:34] spies8jenny: Lots of people that want to see you tonight
[22:36] spies8owen: Lovely.
[22:36] spies8owen: I've got a killer stomach ache, so stressful.
[23:10] spies8jenny: So what are you thinking so far about the vote? I know you don't get much say in it, but who would you want to see for now?
[23:17] spies8jenny: Dane is looking for you in the chat.
[23:27] spies8jenny: Rondie isn't here to bring it up, so I figure I might as well in his place. He was hoping you would make a post or topic or something that showed the answers you got.
[23:28] spies8owen: Hmm...
[23:28] spies8owen: I don't know if it would be wise for me to reveal everything now.
[23:29] spies8owen: It's basically an imprisonment applicatin if spies got their hands on it at the moment.
[23:29] spies8owen: application*
[23:29] spies8owen: Do you agree?
[23:30] spies8jenny: I don't have any problem with it myself right now, but I know Rondie was worried about it when we were talking about you earlier, so I figured I might as well let you know for him, since he's offline.
[23:30] spies8jenny: 13:05] spies8rondak: True. But he did ask for suspicions and such, and on the guise of being private, people may have been more truthful to him, or lied more to him.
[13:05] spies8rondak: And that information could be critical to us catching Spies.
[13:05] spies8jenny: That's why I'm saying that he should eventually do a topic that discusses what he's got.
[13:06] spies8rondak: If discusses what you got means a direct copy/paste of everything, I agree.
[13:06] spies8rondak: If discusses what he's got means that he is going to be the arbiter of information, I completely disagree.

[23:31] spies8owen: Eventually, I do plan on it.
[23:31] spies8owen: I'm just not sure if right now is the time to do so.
[23:31] spies8owen: Considering I still haven't gotten a few sets of answers.
[23:32] spies8jenny: I don't have any real problem with waiting on it for now, like I said. Just figured it'd be good if I helped him out a bit since you two never seem to be on at the same time.
[23:34] spies8owen: Yeah, I haven't gotten to talk to Ronnie in quite a while.
[23:34] spies8owen:
[23:34] spies8owen: He was one of the ones I talked to the most the first few days, too.
[23:34] spies8jenny: He's had some personal issues lately, and is starting to come on more often again.
[23:39] spies8jenny: Anyways, since I brought it up a while ago in the group chat, I might as well show you. Spice was asking me earlier what I was thinking as far as suspicions went, after wondering what I was doing looking for cits. Ended up showing the game board note chart thing I've had around for a bit, so I might as well show it to you too.

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i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture109.jpg
[23:40] spies8jenny: Orange side - Top is confirmed citizens (which is pretty much just me and the dead cits), and goes down from there.

Blue side - Top is confirmed spies (meaning Lexi), and goes down from there, until you hit darth maul, and then it's people I just plain don't know yet about.
[23:42] spies8owen: Hahaha, darkside and lightside. That's great.
[23:42] spies8jenny:

Tuesday, July 6, 2010 01:00:56
[01:00] spies8owen: I just got back and saw the doctor stuff.
[01:01] spies8owen: Like I told Allan the other night, I think there's a spy messenger.
[01:01] spies8jenny: Quite the welcome back huh?
[01:01] spies8owen: Sam would NOT allow dead forum talk to come into the game.
[01:01] spies8jenny: Yeah, I talked with him too.
[01:01] spies8owen: It's a spy trying to get info out of him, I feel like.
[01:01] spies8owen: He sent it to me, I had 48 hours to respond.
[01:01] spies8jenny: he told me that someone else had told him, that had found out about gabe.
[01:01] spies8owen: Meaning that Allan probably did as well.
[01:02] spies8owen: Whaaaat?
[01:02] spies8owen: Do you know
[01:02] spies8owen: the full story?
[01:02] spies8jenny: I have no idea if it's a role, or if Gabe-Gabe claimed to them.
[01:02] spies8jenny: Al didn't want to tell me specifics, after the whole thing with Ni-Ni came up.
[01:04] spies8owen: Well, I think this Gabe being doctor thing is a bunch of BS.
[01:04] spies8owen: And he told me the full story, so I'm gonna speak on it.
[01:04] spies8jenny: Okies.
[01:04] spies8jenny: Wait, you do?
[01:04] spies8owen: Yes.
[01:05] spies8owen: He received a message.
[01:05] spies8owen: In his confessional.
[01:05] spies8owen: From "Savannah"
[01:05] spies8owen: Claiming she can send messages from the dead forum.
[01:05] spies8owen: I don't buy it.
[01:05] spies8owen: It's a spy messenger.
[01:05] spies8jenny: Agreed, especially since the last time I saw this role, there was one on boths ides.
[01:06] spies8owen: Same.
[01:06] spies8jenny: That's a load of dookie, there's no way they would ever let a dead person send a message.
[01:06] spies8owen: Exactly!
[01:44] spies8jenny: Geez louise, how new is Al to mafia games anyways?
[01:44] spies8jenny: I don't think I've ever seen a mafia game where talking to dead players was ever allowed, without there being funky GM intervention or shenanagins involved.
[01:46] spies8owen: I'm almost 100% sure it's a spy messenger.
[01:46] spies8owen: I've seen these roles used together as well.
[01:47] spies8jenny: Personally this takes Lucky out of being a spy. It makes no sense to me that he'd start up a topic based entirely on that doctor claim if he knew that it was a (rather blatent) ruse from the spy messenger. And to heck with WIFOM.
[01:49] spies8owen: Hmm, I didn't even think of that.
[01:49] spies8owen: I'm happy that I brought this up though.
[01:49] spies8owen: Allan should have explained better to others.
[01:50] spies8jenny: And that's exactly what I mean by looking for cits. Even if you can't find a solid case for why someone is a spy, there's always things like this that help narrow things down a bit.
[01:51] spies8jenny: As far as why Al didn't say more to me, he was concerned I might be a spy after all, after the thing with Ni-Ni came up.
[01:52] spies8owen: Yeah, I know. But when he's making statements like "it's been confirmed that Gabe is the doc."
[01:52] spies8owen: I think you should kinda give legitimate reasoning.
[01:52] spies8owen: I don't see how telling them how would have hurt him.
[01:52] spies8owen: -the extra hwo
[01:52] spies8owen: how*
[01:52] spies8jenny: This is Al we're talking about. Who believed "This is dead savanny speaking"
[01:52] spies8owen: lmao, truth.
[01:53] spies8owen: That just doesn't happen.
[01:53] spies8owen: Sam is so discrete about the dead players.
[01:54] spies8jenny: Honestly, Al's done things every so often like this that make me want to bang my head on the wall. Which made losing real Savanny even more annoying, when a big reason for that happening was because of there being a bunch of Al voters that had to switch votes quick, that shouldn't have even existed in the first place.
[01:54] spies8jenny: So this is hardly new to me.
[01:54] spies8owen: Yeah, a lot of the late Vannah voters seemed to be looking for a new place to go.
[01:54] spies8owen: I wasn't one of them. Savannah was still scummy as hell to me.
[01:55] spies8owen: The late role-claim makes me think it even moreso, heh.
[01:55] spies8jenny: Never suspected her personally.
[01:55] spies8jenny:

[Jenny]

Monday, July 5, 2010 12:38:36
[12:38] spies8jenny: Hi Rondie!
[12:38] spies8rondak: Greetings.
[12:38] spies8rondak: How are you
[12:38] spies8jenny: I'm good, how about you?
[12:39] spies8rondak: Decent. Woke up this morning and drove to work, only to find out that we weren't working today.
[12:39] spies8rondak: *chuckles*
[12:55] spies8jenny: So what are your thoughts on the game? Haven't really talked to you in a good while about that.
[13:00] spies8rondak: I'm still catching upo.
[13:00] spies8rondak: This Owen twist, though, is interesting, especially if he is a Spy.
[13:00] spies8rondak: I don't think it's a good idea to PM him all this information without everyone revealing it publically as well.
[13:00] spies8jenny: I really hope he's not a spy right now.
[13:00] spies8rondak: You know?
[13:01] spies8jenny: I'm hoping that after a while he'll make a post about what he's gotten so far and talk about it a bit. At least I'll poke him next time he's on about that.
[13:01] spies8rondak: I plan on revealing mine publically.
[13:02] spies8rondak: And hope that people follow my lead.
[13:03] spies8rondak: It's idiotic to trust someone that much, really. I'm new to this shit and I even know that. If he is a Spy, this private information could clue him in on imprisonments and such.
[13:04] spies8jenny: On the bright side, at least he wasn't asking things like "If you were a spy, who would you want to imprison?" or "If you were a spy, who do you think you could manipulate easiest."

And yes those are actual ones I've seen.
[13:05] spies8rondak: True. But he did ask for suspicions and such, and on the guise of being private, people may have been more truthful to him, or lied more to him.
[13:05] spies8rondak: And that information could be critical to us catching Spies.
[13:05] spies8jenny: That's why I'm saying that he should eventually do a topic that discusses what he's got.
[13:06] spies8rondak: If discusses what you got means a direct copy/paste of everything, I agree.
[13:06] spies8rondak: If discusses what he's got means that he is going to be the arbiter of information, I completely disagree.
[13:12] spies8jenny: I would say to ask him about it, but it sounds like the two of you are never on at the same time. Maybe make a topic asking about it?
[13:13] spies8rondak: I'll probably just respond to the threads.
[13:14] spies8jenny: That works too.

Monday, July 5, 2010 19:28:46
[19:28] spies8rondak: You left me out to dry earlier, lass.
[19:29] spies8jenny: Sorry, we had company on the way over, had to prepare for that.
[19:30] spies8jenny: They're still here actually, but I think I managed to sneak away from it.
[19:30] spies8rondak: *nods*
[19:30] spies8rondak: It's okay, I just was overwhelmed.
[19:31] spies8jenny: That happens sometimes yeah. Debates like that do at least usually have some information come out with it at least.
[19:31] spies8rondak: And what came out of this one?
[19:32] spies8jenny: I did say usually.

Seriously though, it did give you some things to look over, even if the way it came out could have been nicer, right?
[19:33] spies8rondak: True, I suppose.
[19:42] spies8rondak: Do you still suspect Zedekiah?
[19:42] spies8rondak: I mean, did Cinnamyn's discussion with me do anything for you?
[19:45] spies8jenny: Well I still suspect him anyways.
[19:46] spies8jenny: No idea if others are going to agree with it or not, but as long as we don't have a giant train of cases on people I think are cits again like episode 2, I'll be happy
[19:46] spies8rondak: Part of me thinks that Cinnamyn was right, part of me is starting to look at Nita's suspicion of her. *chuckles*
[19:46] spies8jenny: That's always fun to sort out
[20:07] spies8jenny: Dunno what Jas's problem is today. Anyways, have you seen her lately at all?
[20:08] spies8jenny: She's been online for about 2 days straight now, but she never seems to actually be there.
[20:08] spies8rondak: Kiara?
[20:09] spies8rondak: No, I think I spoke to her once.
[20:09] spies8rondak: And that was about it.
[20:09] spies8jenny: Kind of unfair to ask you I guess, since you haven't been around much lately.
[20:09] spies8rondak: Meh.
[20:09] spies8rondak: I have no problem with it.
[20:09] spies8rondak: lol.
[20:11] spies8jenny: No seriously, I'm lost. How is that even remotely connected with race?
[20:11] spies8rondak: I'm giving you a hard time.
[20:11] spies8jenny: Yeah, I don't think Jas realizes that

Monday, July 5, 2010 23:01:34
[23:01] spies8jenny: We are allowed to do small chunks, although yes, it is good to be careful about it.
[23:01] spies8jenny: That's why I had to ask Sammy earlier about how much I was wanting to put up with those Ni-Ni logs.
[23:02] spies8jenny: It's one of those annoyingly vague rules that you just have to have good judgement on for the most part, and ask when you're not sure.