Saturday, July 3, 2010 23:07:23
[23:07] spies8jenny: Hi Owen!
[23:07] spies8owen: Hey, was just about to message you as well.
[23:07] spies8jenny: Someone had to borrow my laptop for a while, they just finished up.
[23:08] spies8owen: It's all good. How's it going?
[23:08] spies8jenny: I'm doing well, you?
[23:10] spies8owen: Woke up from a nap to see that my most trusted citizen was dead.
[23:10] spies8owen: Oh, and wasn't a citizen.
[23:11] spies8jenny: Yeah, did you see the latest group chat post?
[23:11] spies8owen: So I'm a bit "mehhhhh."
[23:11] spies8jenny: From imprisonment time?
[23:11] spies8owen: I didn't actually, someone brought it up to me and I figured I'd talk to you about it on my own since we haven't talked in a while anyway.
[23:12] spies8owen: And because, well, as you probably know, I am so unsure about you. :/
[23:12] spies8jenny: Well I'm right here, so if you have anything you want to ask about, feel free!
[23:13] spies8jenny: I'm going to be reading up a little bit of what I missed when I stepped out.
[23:13] spies8owen: I'm not sure even how to ask my main concern as a question. It's mainly me feeling like you're holding back. It could all just be your playstyle.
[23:14] spies8jenny: Ni-Ni actually said something about that too.
[23:14] spies8jenny: Thought I was doing less to keep from slipping or something.
[23:15] spies8owen: Yeah -- I just feel like you have so much more to offer and I haven't heard much from you. Again, it could be playstyle, could be trust, could be trying to avoid slips.
[23:16] spies8jenny: If you can think of any particular example, maybe that could help get your point across? Although, then again the whole point might be that there isn't examples to show really.
[23:18] spies8owen: (3:59:29 AM) spies8dane: i'd like you to do something for me real quick
(3:59:48 AM) spies8dane: push someone you suspect beside zedekiah on me
(3:59:49 AM) spies8dane: right now
(4:00:00 AM) spies8dane: and try to convince me to vote said person
(4:00:28 AM) spies8dane: i'll start you off
(4:00:45 AM) spies8dane: gee gorgeous, i'm not really sure who to vote, they all sound so good and innocent
(4:00:49 AM) spies8owen: I don't think you're referring to me as gorgeous, so I'll just chill for now.
(4:01:04 AM) spies8dane: your next gymteacher
(4:01:05 AM) spies8jenny: I was just talking about it with Owen actually, we were talking about how Stephi-kins is coming off fairly strange with her reasons for voting certain people. I'm hoping to get some more information from or about her, if not for tomorrow's exile then before the 3rd one.
(4:01:46 AM) spies8dane: thats pushing a vote?
(4:02:20 AM) spies8jenny: I'm not one to push votes really. I just state what I think on something and let others use the information how they like.
[23:18] spies8owen: I know you explain it there, but I feel like you've got more than that.
[23:19] spies8owen: I feel like you're one of the more aware/experienced players in the game, so it's just throwing me off.
[23:19] spies8jenny: I will say it's certainly different this time around. I'm used to playing like this, and this is the first time really that it's coming off as spy like.
[23:20] spies8owen: Very interesting.
[23:20] spies8owen: That's the crazy part about Mafia.
[23:20] spies8owen: Things you do in other games come across differently in others. Been there.
[23:20] spies8jenny: Big jumble of playstyles thrown together, and watch the mayhem.
[23:21] spies8owen: So, with Nita, did she basically pull an Anton/Chloe?
[23:21] spies8jenny: Yeah, just a bit sooner.
[23:21] spies8jenny: She thought I was a spy, and she didn't want to be imprisoned, so she claimed to me.
[23:22] spies8owen: Yeah, I was a bit surprised when I heard she told you (since I knew she was susp of you), but then I remembered the Anton/Chloe thing.
[23:22] spies8owen: The worst part of this is that Nita was the person I felt I was working most closely with. Now I'm not sure what to take seriously from what we've talked about.
[23:22] spies8owen: Since she had missions.
[23:23] spies8jenny: Well she seemed to at least agree with me to focus on the citizen tasks over the spy ones.
[23:23] spies8owen: I know she REALLY was hunting, but what parts are exagerrated because of her missions? Etc.
[23:23] spies8jenny: After much pointless negotiating about not getting her imprisoned.
[23:24] spies8owen: Hahaha. Was she still convinced you were a spy for a bit after claiming to you?
[23:24] spies8jenny: She felt like I was a spy still when I asked her a day or two ago.
[23:24] spies8jenny: No wait, 2 or 3 days ago.
[23:24] spies8jenny: I had asked her if she still thought so, along with asking if a no exile was a task.
[23:24] spies8jenny: So it would have been before exile.
[23:25] spies8owen: Was the no exile a task?
[23:25] spies8jenny: Nope.
[23:25] spies8owen: Also, she claimed to have "messed up" and voted for Themba.
[23:25] spies8owen: Episode 2.
[23:25] spies8jenny: I thought it might have been with how much she was going on with it, but apparently it wasn't.
[23:25] spies8owen: I think that might have been a mission.
[23:26] spies8owen: She said she wrote reasonings and everything for Sav.
[23:26] spies8owen: But mistakenly wrote Themba as her vote.
[23:26] spies8jenny: She did tell me having a tie was one of her tasks, but even with that, it was hardly close.
[23:26] spies8owen: Yeah, doubt that was that one.
[23:26] spies8owen: What were the tasks she had you work on?
[23:27] spies8jenny: She actually ended up not having me help work on them so much, as it became "just let me live, and I don't make a case on you" even though I told her I wouldn't have minded if she did.
[23:28] spies8jenny: She'd tell me about a task once in a while if it came up somehow, but she never really told me any as far as wanting me to help her do them.
[23:28] spies8owen: Ahh, gotcha.
[23:28] spies8jenny: Like for example, when Al claimed to Ni-Ni.
[23:29] spies8jenny: I found out after the fact that having a role claim to her was a task of hers.
[23:29] spies8jenny: And that she wanted to find out if it had to be a real role for it to count.
[23:29] spies8jenny: Apparently it did, so unless she decided to lie about that for some reason, Al's power role is confirmed.
[23:30] spies8owen: I'm questioning her Cinnaymyn suspicions, as she never really gave me any reasons why she didn't trust her.
[23:30] spies8jenny: I don't remember her ever talking about Spice with me. I'd have to check to be sure though.
[23:31] spies8owen: We were trying to come up with a group of trusted citizens to help with my decision, Cin got brought up, she shot that down.
[23:31] spies8owen: Only other person she thought I should ask was Awo.
[23:31] spies8jenny: Hali I've been thinking is a cit myself for the time being.
[23:32] spies8jenny: Just from some chats we've had.
[23:32] spies8owen: Still have yet to talk to him.
[23:34] spies8jenny: Mary I'm liking too, since she took the idea I said we should have during that last exile about having a topic for you guys to see our suspicions on, and expanding on it.
[23:34] spies8owen: I thought that was a good idea, too.
[23:34] spies8owen: Another one I haven't gotten to talk to yet.
[23:36] spies8jenny: Anyways, as far as your original question goes, I've never really been one to actively push for any particular case unless there was a good reason for it (by which usually meant an investigation, or they admitted to it or something). Otherwise, I'm usually just fine with stating my thoughts on whatever, and hearing what others have to say about it.
[23:38] spies8jenny: "Hey there. I'm probably going to vote for Green Lantern, that whole weakness to yellow thing seems off to me. What do you think?"
[23:39] spies8owen: Understandable. Hooray for me assuming that experienced players don't have this playstyle.
[23:40] spies8jenny: Better then mr "AIM is for chumps" harold right?
[23:43] spies8jenny: Oh hey, was there anything from my pm to you about those questions that you wanted to ask about?
[23:44] spies8owen: "It's slightly obnoxious when three of your favorite people to talk to get taken away in some form in a row."
[23:44] spies8owen: ...I know the feeling all too well.
[23:44] spies8owen: And I lynched one of them myself. >_>
[23:45] spies8jenny: Yeah, exile 2 was not a fun night for me.
[23:45] spies8owen: 3 was the worst for me.
[23:46] spies8jenny: "Hey let's vote Al!"
What? No, don't do that!
"I think Savanny could be a spy though!
No dang it stop that!
"What about Themba, she could be a spy!"
You're doing this on purpose!
[23:46] spies8owen: Themba was my favorite person to talk to in the game. :/
[23:46] spies8owen: lmao.
[23:48] spies8jenny: Speaking of which, I need to update my board game notes before I go to bed to adjust for imprisonment.
[23:49] spies8jenny: Okies, there we go.
[23:51] spies8jenny: No idea what I'm going to do for the next vote really. That last imprisonment didn't really help me at all.
[23:52] spies8owen: I don't know what I'm doing for the next vote either. I'd say my situation is a bit more tragic.
[23:52] spies8jenny: "Yes, great. Ni-Ni's not a spy. I kind of guessed that myself, thanks."
[23:52] spies8owen: Yep, that didn't help at all. :/
[23:53] spies8owen: Her and Gabe back to back Imp's. I'M NOT FEELING THIS.
[23:53] spies8owen: Once I start to trust someone, they're dead. Great.
[23:53] spies8jenny: ... Maybe I should not have you trust me then, it might be bad for my health.
[23:53] spies8owen: Maybe it's a good thing I'm wary of you.
[23:53] spies8jenny:
[23:54] spies8jenny: HAH, BEAT YOU TO SAYING IT
[23:54] spies8owen: It shows mine first on mine!
[23:54] spies8jenny: Must have done it at about the same time then.
[23:54] spies8jenny: By the way, completely random note.
[23:55] spies8jenny:
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=imprisonment&action=display&thread=600spies2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=holding834&action=display&thread=58Poor Gabe-Gabe. He didn't even get imprisoned in an original manner.
[23:57] spies8owen: LOL
[23:57] spies8owen: Love it, minus seeing Gabe imprisoned again.
[23:58] spies8jenny: I knew I'd seen that story before!
[23:58] spies8jenny: So apparently, Kitty is invisible.
[23:59] spies8jenny: She's in the chat room, but not showing as online.
[00:00] spies8jenny: So who else are you thinking about for now?
[00:01] spies8owen: I must find something on you!
[00:01] spies8owen: Nah, I'm gonna see what everyone has to offer and look everything over closely. Can't lie, I'm a bit overwhelmed by it at the moment.
[00:02] spies8jenny: I don't doubt that at all.
[00:02] spies8owen: Especially coming off a round that I was so indecisive.
[00:02] spies8jenny: "So just to let you know, you're the one that decides who goes next, so it's all on you this time. Have fun with that!"
[00:03] spies8owen: "You haven't caught a spy since day 1. The Burg has collapsed. It's all on your shoulders."
[00:04] spies8jenny: [23:57] spies8jenny: So why are you invisible?
[00:03] spies8kiara: trying to figue out aim moble. not sure how to change it
[00:04] Meebo Message: spies8kiara is online
[00:06] spies8owen: (7/4/2010 12:05:13 AM) spies8kiara: attempting to figure out aim moble. failure
[00:07] spies8jenny: Might just be nothing then. Something to note anyways.
[00:09] spies8owen: Be right back. Need to grab something to eat.
[00:10] spies8jenny: Okies!
[00:22] spies8owen: Alrighty, I'm back.
[00:22] spies8jenny: Yaaay!
[00:22] spies8owen: And of course, Cin just leaves.
[00:22] spies8owen: Damn it.
[00:24] spies8jenny: I can't believe it's so quiet.
[00:24] spies8jenny: It's holiday weekend, perfect time to come on!
[00:24] spies8owen: Brod talking to himself in chat. Sad
[00:25] spies8owen: [00:46] spies8broderick: I'm trying to have a game related discussion here.
[00:46] spies8broderick: Why are you so adverse to one?
[00:46] spies8magalie: okay but sometimes thats why people leave when you are in the chat room
[00:46] spies8magalie: because your borin
[00:47] spies8broderick: lol. Evidence
[00:47] spies8broderick: Show it
[00:47] spies8magalie: okay fine
[00:47] spies8magalie: has left the chat
[00:25] spies8owen: Always makes me giggle.
[00:27] spies8jenny: Anything else you want to ask about while we're both on at the same time for a change?
[00:28] spies8jenny: Oh hey, I just remembered.
[00:28] spies8jenny: I was reading through last night's chat.
[00:28] spies8owen: Anything for me?
[00:28] spies8jenny: Al wasn't exactly the most clear on when claims happened.
[00:28] spies8owen: I rarely get asked anything. :/
[00:28] spies8jenny: I can help with that quick.
[00:29] spies8owen: It's bothersome.
[00:29] spies8owen: When was the first claim?
[00:29] spies8jenny: Two days after the game started.
[00:29] spies8jenny: June 18th.
[00:30] spies8owen: Hmm...
[00:30] spies8jenny: Ni-Ni claimed to me on June 22nd.
[00:30] spies8owen: I really still think his early claim to you was odd. Though, I haven't seen the convos you guys had.
[00:30] spies8jenny: And Al claimed to Ni-Ni on the 23rd.
[00:30] spies8owen: But from all things I've seen, he's really new.
[00:30] spies8jenny: Yay chat logs!
[00:30] spies8owen: He's afraid to make cases because he doesn't want to be imprisoned.
[00:30] spies8owen: Etc.
[00:31] spies8owen: Told me last night he wants Claude gone just to get rid of his powers.
[00:31] spies8jenny: So that should help clear up times a bit.
[00:32] spies8jenny: For the record, the 2nd exile was the 24th.
[00:33] spies8jenny: and the first was on the 20th. Wow, that really was a short round.
[00:36] spies8jenny: I'll be right back, going to get myself a drink.
[00:37] spies8jenny: Okies I'm back!
[00:38] spies8jenny: So can I just say I find it bizzare I'm being refered to as the Spies Expert?
[00:38] spies8owen: Welcome back.
[00:38] spies8owen: Hahaha, I think it's because you've made a few references and have tried mentoring the newer players.
[00:38] spies8owen: Like Ronnie.
[00:39] spies8jenny: Well yeah, but I'd think it'd be a good idea to know what happened before so that we don't make the exact same mistakes.
[00:40] spies8jenny: Like say, deciding to just go no exile and let the other team exile their suspect, spend the whole episode doing nothing, and act like a bunch of freemasons.
[00:40] spies8owen: Republicans = Freemasons.
[00:40] spies8owen: Scarrry times.
[00:40] spies8jenny: I was going to say Democrats were, since people were suggesting doing no exile to let you just exile your suspect.
[00:41] spies8jenny: Which sounded just like when freemasons were going "yeah the spies are on the other team, let's just exile whoever they pick"
[00:41] spies8owen: Honestly, we got little to nothing accomplished over here last round.
[00:41] spies8owen: Just a lot of "omg, we caught a spy, you guys haven't" and then the ex-Demo's getting really defensive and feeling like they were being ganged up on.
[00:42] spies8owen: "This is terrible."
[00:42] spies8jenny: I just find it bizzare in general still. Does nobody actually listen to the advice of reading up on past games to see what happened?
[00:43] spies8owen: And yeah, now I see what you're saying with the comparison.
[00:45] spies8jenny: I mean, I know that Sammy isn't exactly fond of talking about past games in general, but there's a difference between going "Wasn't this game awesome? Good times." and "Hey we might want to pay attention here, this seems similar to what happened in this occasion.
[00:47] spies8owen: Yeah -- I'm guilty of making a joke about past games or two, but I mostly bring things up as references.
[00:47] spies8owen: Like Alexei picking an early target in Zeddy and then backing off. I compared that to Stone with Henry. Stuff like that, I think, is fine.
[00:50] spies8jenny: So what's cory questioning you about?
[00:52] spies8owen: He was testing me to see if I killed Nita and Gabe, I believe.
[00:53] spies8jenny: How does that work out?
[00:53] spies8owen: He says Tina is next.
[00:53] spies8owen: I have no idea what the basis is, I just think he wanted to be an asshole.
[00:53] spies8owen: I want my closest allies dead, of course.
[00:53] spies8owen: Makes a lot of sense.
[00:54] spies8jenny: No, see, apparently it's my allies they want dead.
[00:54] spies8owen: Mine!
[00:54] spies8jenny: 4 out of 5 now.
[00:54] spies8owen: Oh, you win.
[00:54] spies8jenny: Or 6 depending on if you want to count margot.
[00:54] spies8jenny: 4/7 for margot/cammie
[00:55] spies8jenny: Either way though, it's getting annoying.
[00:55] spies8owen: Nita told me she loved me. *tear*
[00:56] spies8jenny: I keep having to find a new person to gab to.
[01:06] spies8jenny: Back to discussion in the group chat for me it seems.
[01:20] spies8jenny: You still around?
[01:20] spies8jenny: Seem to have gotten quiet.
[01:25] spies8owen: Cory is being a bit ridiclous with the way he questions me.
[01:25] spies8jenny: He asking things hoping you'll slip something?
[01:26] spies8jenny: I'm just trying to convince people in the group chat right now that it would have been pointless to say about Ni-Ni being a third party before now.
[01:32] spies8owen: Yeah, he's trying to get me to slip, I believe.
[01:32] spies8owen: He's backed off of it a bit and is being less annoying though.
[01:33] spies8jenny: If you get a minute, feel free to catch up in the group chat.
[01:35] spies8owen: I think I should be good to read up now.
[01:49] spies8jenny: A lot to catch up on I take it?
[01:52] spies8owen: Cory started again, sorry.
[01:52] spies8jenny: Fun times.
[01:52] spies8owen: And Lilith sent me the longest theory
[01:52] spies8owen: about psychology.
[01:52] spies8jenny: Wow.
[01:52] spies8owen: and even sent a case study.
[01:52] spies8owen: >_>
[01:52] spies8jenny: Did it at least relate to spies?
[01:52] spies8owen: Yep.
[01:52] spies8owen: Well, it could. I'm not sure if it would be effective.
[01:54] spies8jenny: How far are you into it?
[01:55] spies8owen: Not far -- going back between that and Cory. Multi-tasking fail.
[02:08] spies8owen: A lot of it had to deal with how strong you were in your convictions.
[02:08] spies8owen: If you're more indecisive, you're likely lying.
[02:08] spies8owen: I don't think that works in Spies.
[02:09] spies8owen: Unless you've got tunnel-vision, there's always uncertainty.
[02:09] spies8jenny: cough cough claude cough?
[02:09] spies8owen: Percisely.
[02:11] spies8jenny: Finally able to catch up in the group chat then, now that he's not bugging you?
[02:13] spies8owen: Still reading.
[02:13] spies8owen: I agree that it made no sense for you to reveal Nita as 3rd party.
[02:13] spies8owen: She was still hunting.
[02:17] spies8owen: LOL @ Brod's "lurk test."
[02:19] spies8jenny: Oy.
[02:20] spies8owen: That was a stupid thing to say regardless.
[02:20] spies8jenny: No matter what he is, I want to smack him upside the head.
[02:20] spies8owen: But I do agree that you did the right thing by not outting Nita.
[02:21] spies8jenny: Because everyone that reads my explanation knows I'm right, it would devolve into everyone singing the mob song from beauty and the beast, and accomplish nothing of worth.
[02:23] spies8owen: If it was someone that hasn't been helping and has done scummy things, yeah, out it.
[02:23] spies8owen: But Nita was hunting.
[02:24] spies8owen: Wasn't neccessary to say anything right now.
[02:24] spies8owen: Maybe as the game progressed.
[02:24] spies8jenny: That's what I was saying, as long as she was helping us out, there was no point to treating her any different.
[02:25] spies8jenny: Now that she's dead though, sure let's get some more information out on it, but before tonight there was no real reason to doing so.
[02:25] spies8owen: After thinking it through, I tend to believe most (if not all) of her actual suspicions.
[02:26] spies8owen: I believe I know who she was in hindsight, and said person would play more for the town.
[02:26] spies8owen: Metagame HATE, but it fits.
[02:27] spies8jenny: I'll have to trust you with that in particular.
[02:28] spies8owen: Though, I'm not sure about why she doesn't trust Cin.
[02:28] spies8jenny: Actually
[02:29] spies8jenny: Strange thing on that.
[02:29] spies8owen: That's the only thing I never really got a thorough reasoning or.
[02:29] spies8owen: for*
[02:29] spies8jenny: Now that I think about it.
[02:29] spies8jenny: After that "past spies players' challenge and the one that followed ended.
[02:29] spies8jenny: Ni-Ni went on about how we shouldn't post that log. She felt that it showed Spice to be a vet with how well she did in it, and she didn't want the spies to imprison her because of her being a vet.
[02:30] spies8owen: I think I know exactly who she is.
[02:30] spies8jenny: I still kept a copy in my confessional, since it was a pointless thing to get into an argument over.
[02:30] spies8owen: Based on how strong she was.
[02:30] spies8owen: Hmmm.
[02:30] spies8jenny: So I dunno why she'd be worried about her getting imprisoned if she suspected her.
[02:30] spies8owen: Interesting. Didn't want her Imped, but susp of her.
[02:31] spies8jenny: A just in case thing maybe?
[02:31] spies8owen: Perhaps. Not sure what to think about that.
[02:31] spies8jenny: Something to keep in mind anyways.
[02:33] spies8jenny: When was it again that she suspected Spice?
[02:34] spies8owen:
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=768[02:35] spies8owen: Just found that. There's some reasons there.
[02:35] spies8jenny: Okies, so a day before the issue came up about being a vet.
[02:35] spies8owen: But the first time I heard it was in chat after we were all put back together.
[02:35] spies8owen: But that was after this post.
[02:38] spies8jenny: Not really enough to be worth voting on, but something to keep in mind for the future anyways.
[02:39] spies8jenny: Especially because who knows exactly what she was thinking.
[02:39] spies8owen: Mmhmm. I've got a townish vibe from Cin from what I've read.
[02:47] spies8jenny: Alright, I should head to sleep. I'll go update the log quick, and head to sleep.
[02:47] spies8jenny: Any last minute stuff quick?
[02:48] spies8owen: Hmm. Not anything I can think of in particular.
[02:48] spies8owen: G'night.
[02:48] spies8jenny: Night!
Monday, July 5, 2010 22:29:30
[22:29] spies8jenny: Hi Owen!
[22:30] spies8owen: Hey there.
[22:34] spies8jenny: Lots of people that want to see you tonight
[22:36] spies8owen: Lovely.
[22:36] spies8owen: I've got a killer stomach ache, so stressful.
[23:10] spies8jenny: So what are you thinking so far about the vote? I know you don't get much say in it, but who would you want to see for now?
[23:17] spies8jenny: Dane is looking for you in the chat.
[23:27] spies8jenny: Rondie isn't here to bring it up, so I figure I might as well in his place. He was hoping you would make a post or topic or something that showed the answers you got.
[23:28] spies8owen: Hmm...
[23:28] spies8owen: I don't know if it would be wise for me to reveal everything now.
[23:29] spies8owen: It's basically an imprisonment applicatin if spies got their hands on it at the moment.
[23:29] spies8owen: application*
[23:29] spies8owen: Do you agree?
[23:30] spies8jenny: I don't have any problem with it myself right now, but I know Rondie was worried about it when we were talking about you earlier, so I figured I might as well let you know for him, since he's offline.
[23:30] spies8jenny: 13:05] spies8rondak: True. But he did ask for suspicions and such, and on the guise of being private, people may have been more truthful to him, or lied more to him.
[13:05] spies8rondak: And that information could be critical to us catching Spies.
[13:05] spies8jenny: That's why I'm saying that he should eventually do a topic that discusses what he's got.
[13:06] spies8rondak: If discusses what you got means a direct copy/paste of everything, I agree.
[13:06] spies8rondak: If discusses what he's got means that he is going to be the arbiter of information, I completely disagree.
[23:31] spies8owen: Eventually, I do plan on it.
[23:31] spies8owen: I'm just not sure if right now is the time to do so.
[23:31] spies8owen: Considering I still haven't gotten a few sets of answers.
[23:32] spies8jenny: I don't have any real problem with waiting on it for now, like I said. Just figured it'd be good if I helped him out a bit since you two never seem to be on at the same time.
[23:34] spies8owen: Yeah, I haven't gotten to talk to Ronnie in quite a while.
[23:34] spies8owen:
[23:34] spies8owen: He was one of the ones I talked to the most the first few days, too.
[23:34] spies8jenny: He's had some personal issues lately, and is starting to come on more often again.
[23:39] spies8jenny: Anyways, since I brought it up a while ago in the group chat, I might as well show you. Spice was asking me earlier what I was thinking as far as suspicions went, after wondering what I was doing looking for cits. Ended up showing the game board note chart thing I've had around for a bit, so I might as well show it to you too.
i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture106.jpgi943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture109.jpg[23:40] spies8jenny: Orange side - Top is confirmed citizens (which is pretty much just me and the dead cits), and goes down from there.
Blue side - Top is confirmed spies (meaning Lexi), and goes down from there, until you hit darth maul, and then it's people I just plain don't know yet about.
[23:42] spies8owen: Hahaha, darkside and lightside. That's great.
[23:42] spies8jenny:
Tuesday, July 6, 2010 01:00:56
[01:00] spies8owen: I just got back and saw the doctor stuff.
[01:01] spies8owen: Like I told Allan the other night, I think there's a spy messenger.
[01:01] spies8jenny: Quite the welcome back huh?
[01:01] spies8owen: Sam would NOT allow dead forum talk to come into the game.
[01:01] spies8jenny: Yeah, I talked with him too.
[01:01] spies8owen: It's a spy trying to get info out of him, I feel like.
[01:01] spies8owen: He sent it to me, I had 48 hours to respond.
[01:01] spies8jenny: he told me that someone else had told him, that had found out about gabe.
[01:01] spies8owen: Meaning that Allan probably did as well.
[01:02] spies8owen: Whaaaat?
[01:02] spies8owen: Do you know
[01:02] spies8owen: the full story?
[01:02] spies8jenny: I have no idea if it's a role, or if Gabe-Gabe claimed to them.
[01:02] spies8jenny: Al didn't want to tell me specifics, after the whole thing with Ni-Ni came up.
[01:04] spies8owen: Well, I think this Gabe being doctor thing is a bunch of BS.
[01:04] spies8owen: And he told me the full story, so I'm gonna speak on it.
[01:04] spies8jenny: Okies.
[01:04] spies8jenny: Wait, you do?
[01:04] spies8owen: Yes.
[01:05] spies8owen: He received a message.
[01:05] spies8owen: In his confessional.
[01:05] spies8owen: From "Savannah"
[01:05] spies8owen: Claiming she can send messages from the dead forum.
[01:05] spies8owen: I don't buy it.
[01:05] spies8owen: It's a spy messenger.
[01:05] spies8jenny: Agreed, especially since the last time I saw this role, there was one on boths ides.
[01:06] spies8owen: Same.
[01:06] spies8jenny: That's a load of dookie, there's no way they would ever let a dead person send a message.
[01:06] spies8owen: Exactly!
[01:44] spies8jenny: Geez louise, how new is Al to mafia games anyways?
[01:44] spies8jenny: I don't think I've ever seen a mafia game where talking to dead players was ever allowed, without there being funky GM intervention or shenanagins involved.
[01:46] spies8owen: I'm almost 100% sure it's a spy messenger.
[01:46] spies8owen: I've seen these roles used together as well.
[01:47] spies8jenny: Personally this takes Lucky out of being a spy. It makes no sense to me that he'd start up a topic based entirely on that doctor claim if he knew that it was a (rather blatent) ruse from the spy messenger. And to heck with WIFOM.
[01:49] spies8owen: Hmm, I didn't even think of that.
[01:49] spies8owen: I'm happy that I brought this up though.
[01:49] spies8owen: Allan should have explained better to others.
[01:50] spies8jenny: And that's exactly what I mean by looking for cits. Even if you can't find a solid case for why someone is a spy, there's always things like this that help narrow things down a bit.
[01:51] spies8jenny: As far as why Al didn't say more to me, he was concerned I might be a spy after all, after the thing with Ni-Ni came up.
[01:52] spies8owen: Yeah, I know. But when he's making statements like "it's been confirmed that Gabe is the doc."
[01:52] spies8owen: I think you should kinda give legitimate reasoning.
[01:52] spies8owen: I don't see how telling them how would have hurt him.
[01:52] spies8owen: -the extra hwo
[01:52] spies8owen: how*
[01:52] spies8jenny: This is Al we're talking about. Who believed "This is dead savanny speaking"
[01:52] spies8owen: lmao, truth.
[01:53] spies8owen: That just doesn't happen.
[01:53] spies8owen: Sam is so discrete about the dead players.
[01:54] spies8jenny: Honestly, Al's done things every so often like this that make me want to bang my head on the wall. Which made losing real Savanny even more annoying, when a big reason for that happening was because of there being a bunch of Al voters that had to switch votes quick, that shouldn't have even existed in the first place.
[01:54] spies8jenny: So this is hardly new to me.
[01:54] spies8owen: Yeah, a lot of the late Vannah voters seemed to be looking for a new place to go.
[01:54] spies8owen: I wasn't one of them. Savannah was still scummy as hell to me.
[01:55] spies8owen: The late role-claim makes me think it even moreso, heh.
[01:55] spies8jenny: Never suspected her personally.
[01:55] spies8jenny: