Ep 4 - Suspicions/Nominations
Jul 5, 2010 22:27:49 GMT -6
Post by Broderick on Jul 5, 2010 22:27:49 GMT -6
In a bit over 3022 hours from now our nomination votes are due.
Vote tally thread? Suspicion thread? Discussion?
The only time I enjoy diving into a haystack is when there is money inside.
I'm neither afraid to discuss publicly nor am I content with just watching.
Jasmine
Sunday, June 20, 2010
spies8broderick (16:40:21): Hi Claude.
spies8broderick (17:37:3): We are such a quiet group.
spies8jasmine (17:39:4): hey everyone.
Spies8Awohali (17:39:6): Hello, Jasmine
Spies8Awohali (17:39:18): And Broderick, also
spies8broderick (17:39:28): Hi Jasmine
Spies8Awohali (17:39:52): I was talking to Chance about his Claude suspicion, trying to make as much sense o it as possible..
spies8broderick (17:41:22): I will be back in a little bit
spies8jasmine (17:41:29): What are you thinking Awohali?
spies8broderick (19:37:29): For the record. I am FoSing Jasmine, Gertie, and Margot.
Spies8Awohali (19:37:54): Is there a reason for this, Broderick?
spies8cinnamyn (19:38:15): sory yall im watchin' da tv until exile startz
spies8broderick (19:38:43): All three votes appear to be hopping on the bandwagon. Gertie and Margot both supplied similar reasons 'I agree with what has been said".
spies8broderick (19:38:55): I am finishing up the post right now for the Suspicions thread.
spies8jasmine (19:39:13): I was the first to vote for Chance, so i didn't really agree with any of the above votes. But thats fine.
Spies8Awohali (19:39:19): I look forward to reading it.
spies8broderick (19:39:49): I have not given my reasons for you yet Jasmine.
spies8jasmine (19:39:55): Ah okay.
spies8jasmine (19:41:37): bandwagon?
spies8jasmine (19:42:19): Wouldn't other people have to have been voting for Chance for it to be a bandwagon, or no?
spies8gertrude (19:58:31): Hey guys, I'd like to respond to Broderick's FoS of me in the suspicion thread.
spies8gertrude (19:58:47): This is what he said:
spies8gertrude (19:58:49): Margot and Gertie - Both of your votes are rather bandwagonesque. Have either of you spoken to Camilla directly in an attempt to hear from her? I assume not as you both said something similar to 'I agree with the things said about her.'
spies8gertrude (19:59:7): While it may seem I bandwagoned on the vote for Camilla, that's not actually the case.
spies8jasmine (19:59:10): Where is this post?
spies8chance (19:59:18): in the suspicion thread.
spies8gertrude (19:59:23): Colloquially, I suspected Camilla before it was cool to suspect Camilla.
spies8jasmine (19:59:29): And I love how he posts FOSs when the deadline is up yet has been in this chat at fucking day.
spies8jasmine (19:59:34): all*
spies8broderick (20:00:16): I have not been in this chat 'all fucking day' Jasmine
spies8broderick (20:00:27): I told you when I posted it and where I posted it, Jasmine.
spies8jasmine (20:00:38): No brod u have been in here the entire fucking day
spies8jasmine (20:00:44): just a mute.
spies8jasmine (20:00:45):
spies8broderick (20:00:48): No I have not.
spies8jasmine (20:00:49): k i found the post
spies8jasmine (20:00:57): yes u have? since ive been online anyways.
spies8jasmine (20:01:3): We were wondering where u were for like the entire time.
spies8chance (20:01:9): i can verify that.
spies8jasmine (20:01:50): i just found out stupid that you wait till the last minute to bring shit up at the end, you could at least have the decency to bring it up with more time to explain or at least consider wat your saying.
spies8jasmine (20:01:57): find it*
spies8broderick (20:02:16): I joined this chat room about two minutes before you did. Then I said 'I will be back in a little bit'
spies8mary (20:02:30): I feel queasy.
spies8jasmine (20:02:42): okay, thats fine. Just saying I find it odd and dumb that you would wait this long.
spies8broderick (20:02:49): Wait this long?
spies8jasmine (20:02:56): 5 minutes before exile
spies8jasmine (20:02:57): yes
spies8jasmine (20:03:2): or lynch
spies8jasmine (20:03:6): or watever
spies8jasmine (20:03:6): lol
spies8broderick (20:03:43): I said in this chat about the FoS 26 minutes ago Jasmine. Not five
spies8broderick (20:04:0): you have been in this chat
spies8jasmine (20:04:12): ya but you posted it only 20 minutes ago
spies8jasmine (20:04:19): it's watever, i just found it stupid.
spies8broderick (20:04:34): Why not say that orginially?
spies8jasmine (20:04:43): say what originally?
spies8broderick (20:04:55): That is was stupid?
spies8broderick (20:05:6): Why wait until now to say it?
spies8jasmine (20:05:7): cause i didnt think it was stupid till now? idk?
spies8broderick (20:05:25): What changed your opinion?
spies8jasmine (20:05:37): why r u questioning me thinking it was stupid. i feel like shooting myself now.
spies8jasmine (20:05:48): nothing changed my opinion?
spies8jasmine (20:05:51): it was always stupid?
spies8broderick (20:06:3): cause i didnt think it was stupid till now? idk?
spies8broderick (20:06:11): You are contradicting yourself Jasmine
spies8jasmine (20:06:21): Not really?
Overreaction, not to mention delayed - to an FoS. More indepth coverage here. Your delayed reaction, and the end of the conversation implied to me that you were perhaps discussing it in a private chat. All of the ?'s to your own statements.
I'm going to be online tonight a lot, hopefully some of you will be as well. It might be a perfect time to figure out a group vote.
spies8jasmine (19:30:26): I made a thread earlier with a bunch of things that made suspec thim
spies8jasmine (19:30:32): but nobody cared to comment much, or have much to add.
spies8jasmine (19:30:35): so it kind of just died
spies8jasmine (19:30:39): and i jsut went back and voted for margot
spies8jasmine (19:30:41): as said in my vote.
spies8jasmine (19:30:56): I was expecting more, ebcause the guy was talked about quite a bit as bing the person people felt, "iffy" about.
spies8jasmine (19:30:57): But whatever.
Jasmine, are you trying to exile people or vote for your suspicions?
Yes. I did personally observe most of the times he did swap around. A lot of the initial chats we had as a group, I was apart of. If not all but like one. And in those chats, Chance swapped around his suspects quite a bit. To the point where many began to be suspect and were asking him a ton of questions.
spies8jasmine (18:24:53): For me, it seems so obvious. it's hard to do it. but im going to try once we get the chance to lynch the dude.
That quote is in regards to preparing a case on Chance. Why have you not made a case on chance, or to verify your claims of him earlier on? Do you not suspect him anymore, or what?
We can vote/nominate for Chance now. Case? Evidence? Examples?
Or do your Chance suspicions essentially boil down to 'feelings', and that is why you can not provide examples?[/i]
spies8jasmine (21:25:39): It's not like I thought Themba was citizen anyway, the girl was obviously scummy. and I was already fed up with her questions in her thread to me
[22:40] spies8jasmine: When did I say Themba was scummy?
[22:40] spies8jasmine: I did sorta think that, but nothing major.
[22:40] spies8jasmine: I didn't feel like I knew any of the republicans.
[22:40] spies8jasmine: Enough to exile them.
[22:41] spies8jasmine: Thats why i was going to vote isaac.
spies8jasmine (21:25:53): So it wouldnt have taken much convincing even if I wasn't being voted on. imo.
spies8broderick (19:44:7): So she was obviously scummy, but not as scummy as Isaac?
spies8jasmine (19:44:12): so yes, she was obviously scummy
spies8jasmine (19:44:17): dude
spies8jasmine (19:44:18): i jsut said that shit
spies8jasmine (19:44:19): spies8jasmine 10:40 pm
(10:40:49 PM): I didn't feel like I knew any of the republicans.
(10:40:55 PM): Enough to exile them.
(10:41:02 PM): Thats why i was going to vote isaac.
spies8broderick (19:44:41): You don't seem to be understanding
spies8broderick (19:45:26): You claim that you didn't know any of the Republicans enough to exile them, but you can claim that Themba was obviously scummy
spies8jasmine (19:46:0): yea, i thought she was scummy.
spies8jasmine (19:46:8): but i didnt know her all that much
spies8jasmine (19:46:12): so i wasnt going to exile her for it
spies8jasmine (19:51:41): yea, from what i knew before changing my vote
spies8jasmine (19:51:43): and before signing off
spies8jasmine (19:51:46): and when i voted isaac
spies8jasmine (19:51:51): i wasnt going to exile her
I find these statements to be contradictory. She says that she found Themba obviously scummy but was not going to exile her for it because she didn't know her well enough. Then she states that it wouldn't of taken much convincing, regardless if she(Jasmine) was getting votes. Let me attempt to clarify.. lol. Even though Jasmine finds Themba scummy, she isn't going to exile her - so she votes for Isaac. BUT, it won't take much convincing to get her to change her vote; even though she still wouldn't know enough about her to exile her.
At the time she voted for Isaac, she knew she wasn't going to exile Themba. Is this because Themba wasn't getting more votes, or because 'she didn't know enough about her to exile her'?
If you found her scummy, were you unwilling to vote her because there wasn't more support for her lynch before you left?
As far as I could find in public chats, these were the only statements made by Jasmine concerning Themba:
spies8stephanie (17:17:32): jas, do you know who you're voting yet
spies8jasmine (17:18:36): No.
spies8jasmine (17:18:45): Right now
spies8jasmine (17:18:53): I'm suspect of two people: Isaac, and yourself.
spies8jasmine (17:18:59): In addition i want to speak more with lawrence
spies8jasmine (17:19:2): themba
spies8jasmine (17:19:3): and owen
spies8jasmine (17:24:44): I wanna talk to Themba.
spies8broderick (18:15:57): Who do you suspect Jasmine?
spies8jasmine (18:17:28): I still am suspect of Isaac, but im trying to let that go to get to know the republicans a bit more
spies8jasmine (18:17:33): and so far, im a bit wary on stephanie.
spies8jasmine (18:17:40): and i want to talk more with themba.
spies8jasmine (19:15:56): themba confuses me
Did you ever have a conversation with Themba Jasmine? It seems like your suspicions of her stemmed from the questions she asked you on the forum board.
Gertrude
She then switched to Camilla
I FoS'd her prior to the first exile, her response:[/i]
spies8gertrude (19:58:31): Hey guys, I'd like to respond to Broderick's FoS of me in the suspicion thread.
spies8gertrude (19:58:47): This is what he said:
spies8gertrude (19:58:49): Margot and Gertie - Both of your votes are rather bandwagonesque. Have either of you spoken to Camilla directly in an attempt to hear from her? I assume not as you both said something similar to 'I agree with the things said about her.'
spies8gertrude (19:59:7): While it may seem I bandwagoned on the vote for Camilla, that's not actually the case.
spies8jasmine (19:59:10): Where is this post?
spies8chance (19:59:18): in the suspicion thread.
spies8gertrude (19:59:23): Colloquially, I suspected Camilla before it was cool to suspect Camilla.
If you had suspected her before it was cool, why say 'I agree with the things that were said about her...' ?
I note that she uses similar language to Cory's previous post. 'discussing what is so scummy about her' 'deflecting'. I believe the first person I saw mention deflection in regards to Margot's post, was Cinnamyn. (I had originally thought Claude said it first, as my memory goes; couldn't find the quotation for it.) The entire 'we have been discussing, does not exactly imply that it is your original thought. Largely I think Gertrude's Margot vote was a giant OMGUS move.
spies8gertrude (22:45:19): but there was that one chat when people were ripping Claude a new one, and every five minutes or so, Isaac would say something against Claude and it would be way out of left field.
spies8gertrude (18:07:22): Well, originally? I guess it started in the chat before Exile 1 when Camilla and Chance were interrogating Claude
spies8jasmine (18:07:38): oh?
spies8gertrude (18:08:0): Isaac was there, and every five minutes or so, he'd post something a tad superfluous, adding to Chance and Camilla's argument.
spies8gertrude (18:08:46): It seemed like a school child going, "Yeah!" when his friend makes jokes about someone.
spies8gertrude (18:08:51): If that means anything.
These are statements about your suspicions on Isaac. Exactly which chat are you referring to Claude being ripped a new one? The chat at the beginning of the first episode about Cory, or the Claude/Camilla one? If it is the Claude/Cory one, I find these two statements to differ, obv. The fact you suspect(ed) Isaac for his limited commentary during the Claude/Camilla to be hypocrtical, considering that he said more during that chat than you did, even if it was limited or 'egging' on.
[00:40] spies8broderick: Why did you vote for magalie, Gertie?
[00:41] spies8gertrude: Because Magalie lied.
[00:44] spies8broderick: What did she lie about?
[00:45] spies8gertrude: Do you seriously not know or is this some petty test to see if I was told to say that?
[00:46] spies8gertrude: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=770
Your response and use of the word 'petty' is rather silly. I asked what she lied about, why is that such a difficult or 'offensive' question? You linked me to a voting thread, your post doesn't even cover what she lied about, only that she did. Why no specifics?
[19:27] spies8cinnamyn: do u still suspect magalie.?
[19:27] spies8gertrude: I'm not even sure.
[19:28] spies8gertrude: I mean, we all only suspected her because she's so...
[19:28] spies8gertrude: You know. So Magalie.
[21:52] spies8gertrude: But yes, I had numerous conversations with people about wavering between Margot and Magalie.
Why did you suspect Magalie in the first place? I recall you suspecting Isaac and Margot during the second episode, yet you didn't mention Magalie when you were telling me about your suspects on the 23rd. Where did she come from?
Ultimately I think you are a bandwagoner and latch onto popular opinion a lot quicker than others. I can't find evidence of you suspecting people for original thought of your own.[/i]
Stephanie
spies8stephanie (18:24:42): i thought dane was a spy; i voted for the one i thought was a spy
"So Dane is taking forever to read the dems forum, doesn't know who is on our team, and yet is voting Themba for bringing up the no exile thing for discussion. He immediately went for an easy vote. He admits that he hadn't even talked to Themba. Discussion is a good thing, discussion with your own team is a better thing. I've got to assume that Dane is a spy."
The full conversation can be found Here at the top of the post. Just search for 'Stephanie' or 'Broderick'. For the sake of space, I am omitting the spaces which would signify I omitted an irrelevant bit of chat.
spies8stephanie (10:04:16 PM): my thoughts on zeke and dane
spies8stephanie (10:04:32 PM): were that they were both basically cleard by alex
spies8broderick (10:04:37 PM): A newer player might if they were a spy
spies8broderick (10:04:43 PM): Or if they had read previous seasons
spies8owen (10:04:58 PM): I don't think Zeddy was completely cleared by Alexei.
spies8owen (10:05:02 PM): He never voted for him.
spies8jasmine (10:05:10 PM): This seems to be all start fo teh game, he might have been clueless who was a spy at the point/who was a republican, etc. and he didnt know which chat he was responding to.
spies8stephanie (10:05:14 PM): oh no they are both absolutely on my watch list
spies8owen (10:05:16 PM): When their heads were on the chopping block.
spies8lilith (10:05:25 PM): Ya, why wouldn't Alexie vote for Zed,
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spies8stephanie (10:05:25 PM): but i've put them aside for the time being
spies8stephanie (17:06:1): dane was suspect for me exile 1
spies8stephanie (17:06:16): and i dropped him for the time being because alex sort of cleared him
spies8stephanie (18:25:48): i think the alex flip is what basically cleared zeke and dane in my head
Correct me if I am wrong. But if Alexei's flip 'basically' cleared Zedekiah and Dane in your head and you've dropped them (for now). Then how can they still be on your watch list? Or have you simply dropped them as suspects? It also seems to me like you changed your stance on the both of them being cleared to you, because Owen said he didn't think Zedekiah was completely cleared by Alexei.
spies8stephanie (18:22:54): alex was a spy looking for cit wagons to jump on
spies8stephanie (18:23:5): first he jumped on the zeke wagon
spies8stephanie (18:23:56): alex was basically the one who started the zeke wagon
spies8broderick (18:24:19): If he was a spy, then why didn't you vote for him Stephanie?
spies8stephanie (18:24:42): i thought dane was a spy; i voted for the one i thought was a spy
Alexei was a spy who was looking to jump on citizen wagons, but you didn't think he was a spy so you didn't vote for him. I assume then that this thought is postflip? How did Alexei jump on the Zedekiah wagon if he was the one who basically started the Zedekiah wagon?[/i]
spies8broderick (18:29:12): Why did Zedekiah look suspicious before the HQ comment, and why would it of swayed you to flip
spies8stephanie (18:30:13): zeke looked suspicious from night one
spies8stephanie (18:30:23): our first chat
spies8stephanie (18:30:41): when jenny asked him a question and alex throttled him
spies8stephanie (18:31:31): i am happy to keep explaining republican history, but haven't you two heard all of this before?
spies8broderick (18:31:59): Why did Zedekiah look suspicious before the HQ comment, and why would it of swayed you to flip?
spies8stephanie (18:32:21): in our very first group chat the night after teams
spies8stephanie (18:32:37): jenny asked zeke why he was online but not talking
spies8stephanie (18:33:9): zeke went into the whole song and dance about pizza and video games and he didn't know how to use aim
spies8stephanie (18:33:17): alex started grilling him
spies8stephanie (18:33:26): none of what zeke said made any sense
spies8broderick (18:34:11): But I'm asking why you found him suspicious, your opinion on it.
spies8broderick (18:34:15): Not for factual things
spies8stephanie (18:36:8): and i'm not sure what to tell you chef
spies8stephanie (18:36:15): zeke was suspicious
spies8broderick (18:36:23): Why was he suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:36:24): he got asked a simple question
spies8stephanie (18:36:30): and couldn't answer it
spies8stephanie (18:36:35): he didn't make any sense
spies8broderick (18:36:50): Why is that suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:37:18): you don't think it's suspicious
spies8broderick (18:37:29): Is that the only reason he looked suspicious, because of his not talking at the beginning thing?
spies8broderick (18:37:40): I am asking you why you find it suspicious
spies8stephanie (18:37:43): i think if you are asked a question, and you are a cit, you just answer it
spies8stephanie (18:38:15): you don't start talking about the night before and eating pizza
I find it suspicious that it took multiple questionings for her to give me her opinion on why it was suspicious.
spies8broderick (18:38:56): K. What were the other reasons that he was suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:39:41): am i forgetting some?
spies8stephanie (18:39:58): i can't remember any others, but i was pretty focused on dane
spies8broderick (18:40:34): spies8stephanie (18:27:45): there were a whole bunch of reasons that zeke looked suspicious before the HQ remark
spies8stephanie (18:41:54): and that wasn't a whole bunch yet?
spies8broderick (18:42:17): In my opinion that was one reason, his behavior in the first chat.
spies8broderick (18:42:31): Or would it be two? Not talking then later not answering a question?
spies8broderick (18:42:52): You said a whole bunch. Could you number them, or list them?
spies8stephanie (18:43:6): whatever
spies8broderick (18:43:32): K.
spies8broderick (18:43:45): So why would the HQ remark of swayed you had you been present?
spies8stephanie (18:44:3): i can't get to spies8 now?
spies8stephanie (18:44:5): sry
spies8broderick (18:44:22): huh?
I think this speaks for itself. She said there were a 'whole bunch' of reasons that Zedekiah looked suspicious, yet I do not believe that she told 'a whole bunch'. Two at most. Her 'I can't get to spies8 now?' comment struck me as odd, and I still do not understand it. It seemed to, and still does - that she meant she could not access the spies8 board to help her answer.
lol. I think I am beginning to take up too much space in this, so read that chat. My entire goal of asking her these questions was to see what she had thought, why she found things suspicious. I don't believe she understood why the HQ comment was deemed suspicious, I believe she was hopping onto a popular thought.
spies8stephanie (18:49:15): i have said a few times that if i had been around on father's day, i first would have switched to alex
spies8broderick (18:49:48): I can't recall you saying that, at least not presently
spies8stephanie (18:49:50): one of the reasons i couldn't find it in my heart to vote for him was because he agreed with me about dane
She first would of switched to Alexei, then would of switched to Zedekiah. I was under the impression that you did not think Alexei was a spy. So why would you of switched to him?
spies8broderick (18:55:58): For the record. I think Stephanie is a bandwagoner, and is most likely not scum hunting.
spies8stephanie (18:56:54): lol, but you could do with some more history lessons
spies8stephanie (18:57:27): cause my vote for dane, my susp of rondak, def not a bandwagon
Is this an indirect admission that everything else you had done was bandwagony?
spies8lilith (19:04:26): So who is a spy? XD
spies8stephanie (19:04:41): my vote is on larry
What were your reasons for having your vote on Lawrence? I looked in the following chat I could not find where you discussed why your vote was on Lawrence. You asked other people what their opinion of Lawrence was, but never offered to explain why. You even disappeared from the conversation after making that statement.
spies8stephanie (21:06:23): easy target? i would disagree with that assessment
spies8stephanie (21:08:46): well, larry didn't seem to be a target on dem side; you and isaac and jas all came in her suspecting and sniping each other and mostly ignoring him
spies8stephanie (21:09:21): an easy target would have been to go with one of your suspicions
Were your two statements after you said you disagreed with me saying Lawrence was an easy lynch target.
spies8broderick (21:17:35): well, larry didn't seem to be a target on dem side; you and isaac and jas all came in her suspecting and sniping each other and mostly ignoring him
spies8stephanie (21:17:59): huh?
spies8broderick (21:18:16): I would assume that is your reason as to why you don't think he is an easy target?
spies8lilith (21:18:18): People are ignoring me? So I am not paranoid!
spies8broderick (21:18:30): Or just 'an easy target would have been to go with one of your suspicions' ?
spies8stephanie (21:18:46): huh?
Notice that you huh'd me both times when I was asking for clarification on what your reasons for disagreeing with me. Maybe it was confusing because I didn't include your name in the quotation?
spies8broderick (21:21:47): I quoted the two parts where you could of given reasons as to why you disagreed, you said huh
spies8broderick (21:21:54): so I asked it straight out
spies8stephanie (21:26:1): brod you can disagree with my reasons that's fine, but why do i have to keep repeating them
spies8broderick (21:26:12): You have not repeated the reasons Stephanie
spies8stephanie (21:26:24): no, and i'm not going to
A clear lie. We have covered this situation, I just find the entire thing suspicious. To state that you had repeated something - when you had not - and then to admit that you had not. Then you left the chat altogether three minutes later.
What exactly are/were your reasons for voting for Lawrence? You supplied a chat quote, and?
(8:38:58 PM) spies8stephanie: i was just grilling larry
(8:39:12 PM) spies8stephanie: about why he said he'd vote you if he had to vote last night
(8:40:38 PM) spies8stephanie: he just said the case was posting in the dem burg and tina was pressuring him to vote last night
(8:41:48 PM) spies8stephanie: so larry, i guess when you said that jas was most suspicious...you really meant that isaac was most suspicious?
(8:42:35 PM) spies8stephanie: or do you vote someone other than your most suspicious?
(8:43:38 PM) spies8lawrence: I meant I had more information pointing to Jasmine. But you can't always vote solely on what the information is; some may be wrong or misread.
Why did you exlude this part? Or did it not fit into your 'suspicions' of Lawrence, when you failed to explain?
These I would like clarification on:
spies8kiara (21:55:20): i like steph, i do, but a lot of things she says are downright goofy. for example after the first challenge round she was saying to me that she was suspious of jas but she did well in the challenge so she wasnt as much anymore. i tell her theres no real reason for a spy to sabatoge because someone is gonna win, so doing well doesnt mean much. she then tells me that she said that exact same thing to gabe earlier. um, what?
Did you say both of these things Stephanie? That you found Jasmine suspicious, but less so because she did well in the challenge? But earlier had told Gabriel that there wasn't really a reason for a spy to sabotage the challenge?
If so. How are these not contradictory thoughts/statements?
spies8broderick (18:32:0): Stephanie, did you and Tina talk about Lawrence being ignored on the Democrats side?
spies8stephanie (18:32:33): probably, although i don't remember the exact conversation
spies8stephanie (18:32:41): let me look
spies8stephanie (18:36:1): brod, i looked through my private chats with tina and don't see it, but i could have talked to her in here about it
Who had the original thought that Lawrence was being ignored on the Democrats side? Yours or Tina's?
Lilith:
Monday June 29th -
spies8lilith (20:06:36): Stephanie and Jasmine I keep changing my mind on, but I think it's odd the way Jasmine agreed with me on pushing Zed the other day. I was pushing to see his reaction, and afterwards, felt more unsure. She was pushing and seemed unphased by anything he was responding. I almost feel like she was leading me down the wrong path and encouraging me. She kept repeating "OMG does anyone else love Lilith" and I outright said each time u say that i think u r a spy, half jokingly, half thinking she is tryin to get me on her good side, but then she stays completey quiet after I say that... BUT... I don't want and have not told anyone but you that I am wary of Jasmine. I want to let her keep thinking we are buddy-buddy. Let her guard down so I can further examine how she acts. If she gives her own opinions or just keeps encouraging what I think of. So I would appreciate it if you didn't tell anyone I suspect her, YET.
Thursday July 1st [3.5 hours before Exile] -
spies8lilith (16:34:32): I kept getting both good vibes and bad vibes from both of those girls. My gut really tells me Steph is a citizen though, despite her moves that make her look like a spy. Jasmine has done some odd things, but I don't think a spy would do some of the things she's done. Themba, on the other hand, I don't feel like she is being sincere in her accusations.
spies8lilith (16:38:18): Her accusation on Jasmine seems odd to me. If I were suspscious of Jasmine (which I have been) there are other things I would have pointed out about Jasmine's comments
spies8broderick (20:36:8): Why did you approach Jasmine and tell her the votes were close?
spies8broderick (20:36:14): Did you push her to change her vote?
spies8lilith (20:36:17): Because I don't think she is mafia.
[1.25 hours after Exile started]
spies8lilith (21:13:22): I agree with Jasmine (although I think you might be a spy now, LOL)
What happened after 3.5 hours prior to Exile that made you think Jasmine was a citizen? I assume that you changed your mind on her more than half anhour before hand, since you apparently sent her PMs and IMs. Why the change? Then why the change back to suspecting her?
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] BITCH GET ONLINE
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] I DONT WANT YOU OUT
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] lol
(10:33:12 PM): [Offline IM sent 20m ago] In case you do get online at the last minute. Quick summary: I'm damn sure Isaac and Themba are spies. Change your vote to Themba if you can. The votes are going to be between you and her it looks like.
(10:33:23 PM): YAY!
Regardless of what timezone this is in, it is at least 27 minutes before Exile starts.
I think a lot of her theories are from a galaxy farfar farfar away. While they can inject a sense of freshness into conversations and ways of thinking, I think the majority of the times in which she presents these are in the middle of a irrelevant conversation - and prove to be distracting.
spies8lilith (18:06:16): And you LOL after you type up your reasons on Jasmine
spies8lilith (18:06:22): You don't lol after you type up stuff about Themba
spies8lilith (18:06:58): Your LOL insinuates you KNOW your reason for voting Jasmine are silly and not really scum-based
spies8broderick (18:07:37): I think you are reading too much into the power of an 'lol'
spies8lilith (18:07:57): I wasn't basing it off the "LOL", just something extra I just realized.
If you weren't basing it off of the LOL, then why even mention it, and use it as an argument point?
Why do you say lol when you attribute something suspicious towards them? I've seen a couple via the transcripts, would have to look further to see how much you do it.
spies8lilith (17:21:59): "Yes, but a spy can say that too" ... that kind of comment gives me spy-vibes Jasmine, lol.
spies8lilith (21:13:22): I agree with Jasmine (although I think you might be a spy now, LOL)
spies8lilith (18:09:48): Isaac
spies8lilith (18:09:54): Why don't you just say right now why you suspect Jasmine
spies8lilith (18:09:59): And why you suspect Themba.
spies8lilith (18:10:3): And why you are voting Jasmine over Themba
spies8isaac (18:10:58): We just talked about this lilith. And in fact I'm just finishing up my vote threat vote right now so if you wait two more minutes you can read it yourself
spies8lilith (18:11:16): I want you to say it in here, so we can actively engage with you about it.
spies8lilith (18:11:49): A town shouldn'y mind repeating themselves, because they are sincere about it. Mafia have more to worry about repeating themselves, because they are lying and can get caught easier.
spies8broderick (18:12:24): And you think Stephanie is a citizen Lilith?
spies8lilith (18:12:31): Yes
spies8broderick (18:12:49): Even though she refused to 'repeat herself' last night
spies8lilith (18:12:52): I feel her actions are that of a mafia, but I feel the way she explains her suscpions that she is sincere.
spies8lilith (18:12:58): I didn't read the last night thing.
spies8broderick (18:13:15): There is a thread which touched upon it
spies8lilith (18:13:22): I am focused on getting atleast a little read off of everybody, because I don't want to let people go off unnoticed.
spies8lilith (18:13:40): And the people that do spyke my interest I want to get to know more, to see if my read intensifies or changes.
spies8lilith (18:14:35): My initial read on Steph is that she is leaning towards town, as are you Brod, that's why I am focusing on learning more about the people that DO spike my interest.
spies8broderick (18:15:6): I was just curious because you just said "A town shouldn'y mind repeating themselves, because they are sincere about it. Mafia have more to worry about repeating themselves, because they are lying and can get caught easier."
spies8lilith (18:15:10): I do, however, intend to come back to people that I am less sure about (Owen, Brod, Steph) and get a better read on them, but for now I am confident in them not being spies and others being more likely candidates.
spies8broderick (18:15:13): She flat out refused to 'repeat' herself last night
spies8lilith (18:15:58): Was it something game-related?
spies8broderick (18:16:51): Yes
spies8broderick (18:17:7): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gop&action=display&thread=697
spies8broderick (18:17:14): The 'condensed' version
spies8lilith (18:19:13): What's being omitted?
spies8broderick (18:20:47): the full log is posted in the log thread
I know it is a rather larger chat excerpt, however it is from the spies8Republicans room, so perfectly legal. I find your avoidance of actually answering the question to be suspicious. You stated that town shouldn't mind repeating themselves, and seemed to use it as a point against Isaac. Stephanie's refusal to 'repeat' herself should of struck you has much more scummy. Mafia can not be sincere?
spies8stephanie (18:22:19): is brod still going on about me not repeating myself
spies8lilith (18:22:42): I brought it up the topic of repeating oneself in a different context, but yes
I find this a sign of hopping behavior. Considering that it had only just been brought up, there is no way that can be considered as 'still going on about'. Also considering that you had just learned about it. I think you are agreeing with Stephanie merely to agree.
Is your secondary look upon Stephanie a read of scum?
Tuesday June 29th:
spies8lilith (19:59:58): Can I bring up a random theory that I thought of? (I know most things I say are off topic because I can't really discuss most of the things yall talk about being a replacement, lol, but if there is a good time to but in and present an idea let me know ^_^ -- it has to do with why Gabe died).
spies8lilith (20:01:37): Well, looking back, someone was saved (before a team switch). And the doctor would most likely save someone on their team (makes sense to save someone u know of rather than someone at random). So Gabe dying signals to me that A) the mafia attempted to kill an original republican and B) they would know a doctor is an original republican and in order to get rid of him so they can take out whoever they want without worry they would kill a republican they think might be a doctor.
spies8lilith (20:02:30): I couldn't really think of why Gabe would be killed, cuz all he talked to me about the day before was his suscpions on Savaanah. And if I was mafia and I knew which side doctor was on, I'd keep killing people from that side to try to murder the doctor or who I thought was the doctor.
spies8lilith (20:02:45): Just an idea I had .
spies8lilith (20:03:5): Although thinking about it - killing doctor isn't really a huge priority, unless, there's someone you really want to kill that u know the doctor saved.
Wednesday June 30th:
spies8lilith (19:17:52): Actuall
spies8lilith (19:17:53): I think
spies8lilith (19:17:57): we should give immunities
spies8lilith (19:18:5): to former republicans
pies8lilith (19:18:15): I mean
spies8lilith (19:18:20): former aka current republicans
spies8lilith (19:18:25): aka not any ex-democrats
spies8lilith (19:19:26): I think they'll keep trying to kill original republicans,
spies8broderick (19:19:42): Why do you think that Lilith?
spies8lilith (19:20:7): I really am hesitant about explaining this... but I'll do it anyways.
spies8lilith (19:20:26): Errrrr.
spies8lilith (19:20:47): I actually would like to talk to Tina first before I explain it. Sorry.
spies8lilith (19:20:56): I am being confusing, I know, lol.
spies8lilith (19:21:9): I just feel it'd be best if immunities went to original republican.
spies8lilith (19:21:30): Actually, I'm going to explain it, Tina is going to get mad at me, but here we go.
spies8lilith (19:22:16): First kill, dr. saved correctly. Mafia may therefore be able to predict which side Dr. is on. Next kill they choose Gabe (an original republican). I think the first saved target was a republcian, mafia now knows that dr is on the original republicans, and will continue to try to pick off the doctor.
spies8lilith (19:22:45): That's the only reason I could see Gabe being killed from what I heard, that he may be the Doctor.
I do not get this entire thing. The excerpt from the 30th shows that you are hesitant about discussing something, that you need to speak with Tina first. Why mention it at all if you were unwilling to discuss it? Why would you need permission from Tina?
Considering that you brought it up the day before without hesitation. I find it suspect. I assume you wouldn't want to of brought it up because it would get people thinking about who the Doctor was, yet you brought it up anyways? how is that citizen move?
Tina
She was one of the first to be on Alexei and helped make the case on him here. While reading the chat I got the impression that Tina noticed the things about Alexei first, and Nita was second?
spies8broderick (21:08:23): Ahh. How come you didn't vote for Alexei?
spies8tina (21:09:20): The night before exile he told me that he was voting for Dane. After I discussed that suspicion with him, he realized a lot of it was based in a misconception, and said he would vote Steph.
spies8tina (21:09:34): At that point he was refusing the vote either of the other two getting any suspicion.
spies8tina (21:09:50): Right before the exile, Zek called the Burg "HQ"
spies8tina (21:10:5): That one pushed me over the edge on it.
spies8tina (21:10:31): If either of those two did not occur I do not think I would have moved.
Why was Alexei's vote switching a factor?
I find that you switched off of Alexei when you were one of the case contributors - and even urged people to look at it, suspect. To me it looks like a spy who noticed their pal could eventually become a problem and under fire so preemptively started a case not thinking it would be picked up and ran with. Then switched their vote when an opportunity presented itself in Zedekiah. What exactly were your reasons for suspecting Zedekiah, as I assume you had to of suspected him - or was it the HQ comment only?
[21:48] spies8zedekiah: but if he's town he should read our own dang HQ
spies8themba (18:30:3): to answer you question Jas, yes Zed made the comment with just over an hour to go before exile
spies8lilith (00:18:26): According to Tina, she didn't change her vote to whoever till late.
spies8broderick (00:18:42): To Zedekiah, I think it was about fifteen minutes before
Correct me if I am wrong. I don't know what timezone the first is in and what relation to the Exile. however from group chats I was under the impression that Zedekiah made his HQ comment at least an hour before the exile, and you had switched your vote about fifteen minutes prior. If the HQ comment was the switch factor, why wait so long in between?
spies8tina (21:24:55): I almost want to vote Isaac, but cannot explain it enough even to make myself somewhat happy.
spies8tina (21:25:5): I like the response from Law though.
spies8tina (00:38:42): I think that I just gave a misexile momentum and am not seeing if I cannot put someone else up.
spies8tina (00:39:14): I think Isaac would be that person.
Why did you jump off Lawrence? I thought it had to do with a people jumping on the wagon, and you liking his responses to your thread.
[15:46] spies8mary: Tina, was he the one who made you jump off Lawrence or was it Stephanie?
[15:46] spies8tina: Steph was the bigger one.
[15:46] spies8mary: Ok.
[15:47] spies8tina: I just got so little resistnace to that push it scared me
What exactly did Isaac and Stephanie have to do with switching off Lawrence?
(I assume He is Isaac, there just was not a relevant chat quote which stated him by name, however he was the one being discussed.)
Allan - He has a role, obv that would cause a radar hit. I am currently leaning citizen, mostly because he seems like a total newb. but I refuse to clear him because of that.
Chance - He caused a headache mess in the first episode which involved hesaidhesaid things. He is undoubtedly connected to Claude in some manner.
Claude - In the limelight since the beginning of the first episode. He has a role which obv would cause an additional radar hit. He definitely got a point in my book after he decided to use his role on Allan, when previously he had blatantly refused to.
Cory - Isaac & Margot were his top two towards end of Episode 2. I hadn't thought Margot was a suspicion of his, so made a notation about it in my confessional. New teams didn't give me time to follow up.
Dane - Where the eff is this guy? He is arguably the largest MIA Burgite, yet bribed by the Spies? I don't think the Bribe is a tell on his alignment.
Isaac - Lurked during the first Episode.
Jenny - Allan claimed to her early on for reasons I can not fathom. Nita claimed to her as well. I do not see anything obv pro-town about her, which would lead to role claims.
Kiara - Where the eff is this girl? She is on AIM quite a lot, but never seems to be actually there.
Lawrence - Copied suspicions in the first episode.
Magalie - Contradiction on her Gertrude vote/suspicions from the first episode.
Zedekiah - A questionable HQ remark. Lurker, suspicions on everyone - rarely contributes to conversation.
Awohali
Cinnamyn
Hambone
Mary
Owen
Rondak
*I have a few more things to add, I might do it tomorrow morning. I really just want to go bash my head up against a wall. lol.
Vote tally thread? Suspicion thread? Discussion?
The only time I enjoy diving into a haystack is when there is money inside.
I'm neither afraid to discuss publicly nor am I content with just watching.
Actively Suspicious of:
Jasmine
Sunday, June 20, 2010
spies8broderick (16:40:21): Hi Claude.
spies8broderick (17:37:3): We are such a quiet group.
spies8jasmine (17:39:4): hey everyone.
Spies8Awohali (17:39:6): Hello, Jasmine
Spies8Awohali (17:39:18): And Broderick, also
spies8broderick (17:39:28): Hi Jasmine
Spies8Awohali (17:39:52): I was talking to Chance about his Claude suspicion, trying to make as much sense o it as possible..
spies8broderick (17:41:22): I will be back in a little bit
spies8jasmine (17:41:29): What are you thinking Awohali?
spies8broderick (19:37:29): For the record. I am FoSing Jasmine, Gertie, and Margot.
Spies8Awohali (19:37:54): Is there a reason for this, Broderick?
spies8cinnamyn (19:38:15): sory yall im watchin' da tv until exile startz
spies8broderick (19:38:43): All three votes appear to be hopping on the bandwagon. Gertie and Margot both supplied similar reasons 'I agree with what has been said".
spies8broderick (19:38:55): I am finishing up the post right now for the Suspicions thread.
spies8jasmine (19:39:13): I was the first to vote for Chance, so i didn't really agree with any of the above votes. But thats fine.
Spies8Awohali (19:39:19): I look forward to reading it.
spies8broderick (19:39:49): I have not given my reasons for you yet Jasmine.
spies8jasmine (19:39:55): Ah okay.
spies8jasmine (19:41:37): bandwagon?
spies8jasmine (19:42:19): Wouldn't other people have to have been voting for Chance for it to be a bandwagon, or no?
spies8gertrude (19:58:31): Hey guys, I'd like to respond to Broderick's FoS of me in the suspicion thread.
spies8gertrude (19:58:47): This is what he said:
spies8gertrude (19:58:49): Margot and Gertie - Both of your votes are rather bandwagonesque. Have either of you spoken to Camilla directly in an attempt to hear from her? I assume not as you both said something similar to 'I agree with the things said about her.'
spies8gertrude (19:59:7): While it may seem I bandwagoned on the vote for Camilla, that's not actually the case.
spies8jasmine (19:59:10): Where is this post?
spies8chance (19:59:18): in the suspicion thread.
spies8gertrude (19:59:23): Colloquially, I suspected Camilla before it was cool to suspect Camilla.
spies8jasmine (19:59:29): And I love how he posts FOSs when the deadline is up yet has been in this chat at fucking day.
spies8jasmine (19:59:34): all*
spies8broderick (20:00:16): I have not been in this chat 'all fucking day' Jasmine
spies8broderick (20:00:27): I told you when I posted it and where I posted it, Jasmine.
spies8jasmine (20:00:38): No brod u have been in here the entire fucking day
spies8jasmine (20:00:44): just a mute.
spies8jasmine (20:00:45):
spies8broderick (20:00:48): No I have not.
spies8jasmine (20:00:49): k i found the post
spies8jasmine (20:00:57): yes u have? since ive been online anyways.
spies8jasmine (20:01:3): We were wondering where u were for like the entire time.
spies8chance (20:01:9): i can verify that.
spies8jasmine (20:01:50): i just found out stupid that you wait till the last minute to bring shit up at the end, you could at least have the decency to bring it up with more time to explain or at least consider wat your saying.
spies8jasmine (20:01:57): find it*
spies8broderick (20:02:16): I joined this chat room about two minutes before you did. Then I said 'I will be back in a little bit'
spies8mary (20:02:30): I feel queasy.
spies8jasmine (20:02:42): okay, thats fine. Just saying I find it odd and dumb that you would wait this long.
spies8broderick (20:02:49): Wait this long?
spies8jasmine (20:02:56): 5 minutes before exile
spies8jasmine (20:02:57): yes
spies8jasmine (20:03:2): or lynch
spies8jasmine (20:03:6): or watever
spies8jasmine (20:03:6): lol
spies8broderick (20:03:43): I said in this chat about the FoS 26 minutes ago Jasmine. Not five
spies8broderick (20:04:0): you have been in this chat
spies8jasmine (20:04:12): ya but you posted it only 20 minutes ago
spies8jasmine (20:04:19): it's watever, i just found it stupid.
spies8broderick (20:04:34): Why not say that orginially?
spies8jasmine (20:04:43): say what originally?
spies8broderick (20:04:55): That is was stupid?
spies8broderick (20:05:6): Why wait until now to say it?
spies8jasmine (20:05:7): cause i didnt think it was stupid till now? idk?
spies8broderick (20:05:25): What changed your opinion?
spies8jasmine (20:05:37): why r u questioning me thinking it was stupid. i feel like shooting myself now.
spies8jasmine (20:05:48): nothing changed my opinion?
spies8jasmine (20:05:51): it was always stupid?
spies8broderick (20:06:3): cause i didnt think it was stupid till now? idk?
spies8broderick (20:06:11): You are contradicting yourself Jasmine
spies8jasmine (20:06:21): Not really?
Overreaction, not to mention delayed - to an FoS. More indepth coverage here. Your delayed reaction, and the end of the conversation implied to me that you were perhaps discussing it in a private chat. All of the ?'s to your own statements.
I'm going to be online tonight a lot, hopefully some of you will be as well. It might be a perfect time to figure out a group vote.
spies8jasmine (19:30:26): I made a thread earlier with a bunch of things that made suspec thim
spies8jasmine (19:30:32): but nobody cared to comment much, or have much to add.
spies8jasmine (19:30:35): so it kind of just died
spies8jasmine (19:30:39): and i jsut went back and voted for margot
spies8jasmine (19:30:41): as said in my vote.
spies8jasmine (19:30:56): I was expecting more, ebcause the guy was talked about quite a bit as bing the person people felt, "iffy" about.
spies8jasmine (19:30:57): But whatever.
Jasmine, are you trying to exile people or vote for your suspicions?
Chance - The thing that makes me question Chance is the fact that everything seems to be to save his ass in some way. Everyone keeps mentioning the fact that he tells other people's thoughts but has none of his own. I think a spy would easily want to out other people, frame other people, do whatever it takes to get anyone else lynched but themselves. I can see Chance potentially doing this.
Yes. I did personally observe most of the times he did swap around. A lot of the initial chats we had as a group, I was apart of. If not all but like one. And in those chats, Chance swapped around his suspects quite a bit. To the point where many began to be suspect and were asking him a ton of questions.
He isn't my only suspect, but I suspect him because he is a completely obvious spy. Everything he has done for me just adds and adds to wanting him out. To the point where I wish to not even speak of him, because I know we can't vote for him this round. Every time he opens his mouth, I want to put a gun in mine. Everything he posts, says, comments on. I use to love the man, I'm sick of him. Ultimately cannot wait to see the back of him. I think he has suspected everyone at least once, is so over the top with the amount that he posts. I think a spy is more likely to be the way he is then a citizen. A citizen isn't going to care to the extent that Chance has. He is just 100% spy for me, in my eyes. Maybe I cannot get passed it now and am blinded by it. I just cant see anything but Spy when the man talks. I do however suspect Margot a lot based on last round. Nothing major with anyone else but some people I'm going to try and watch--Brod, Gertrude, Issac, Cory.
spies8jasmine (18:24:53): For me, it seems so obvious. it's hard to do it. but im going to try once we get the chance to lynch the dude.
That quote is in regards to preparing a case on Chance. Why have you not made a case on chance, or to verify your claims of him earlier on? Do you not suspect him anymore, or what?
To be honest, the fact that we can't lynch Chance makes me not want to search for examples at this exact moment. Maybe in a bit I will, or next round when it actually matter. But at this moment? It really doesn't. I just went by knowledge from the chats I've been in, and the vibes I got from him. I can easily look back, and will..just now when it's meaningless.--5 hours till this exile vote is due.
We can vote/nominate for Chance now. Case? Evidence? Examples?
Or do your Chance suspicions essentially boil down to 'feelings', and that is why you can not provide examples?[/i]
spies8jasmine (21:25:39): It's not like I thought Themba was citizen anyway, the girl was obviously scummy. and I was already fed up with her questions in her thread to me
[22:40] spies8jasmine: When did I say Themba was scummy?
[22:40] spies8jasmine: I did sorta think that, but nothing major.
[22:40] spies8jasmine: I didn't feel like I knew any of the republicans.
[22:40] spies8jasmine: Enough to exile them.
[22:41] spies8jasmine: Thats why i was going to vote isaac.
spies8jasmine (21:25:53): So it wouldnt have taken much convincing even if I wasn't being voted on. imo.
spies8broderick (19:44:7): So she was obviously scummy, but not as scummy as Isaac?
spies8jasmine (19:44:12): so yes, she was obviously scummy
spies8jasmine (19:44:17): dude
spies8jasmine (19:44:18): i jsut said that shit
spies8jasmine (19:44:19): spies8jasmine 10:40 pm
(10:40:49 PM): I didn't feel like I knew any of the republicans.
(10:40:55 PM): Enough to exile them.
(10:41:02 PM): Thats why i was going to vote isaac.
spies8broderick (19:44:41): You don't seem to be understanding
spies8broderick (19:45:26): You claim that you didn't know any of the Republicans enough to exile them, but you can claim that Themba was obviously scummy
spies8jasmine (19:46:0): yea, i thought she was scummy.
spies8jasmine (19:46:8): but i didnt know her all that much
spies8jasmine (19:46:12): so i wasnt going to exile her for it
spies8jasmine (19:51:41): yea, from what i knew before changing my vote
spies8jasmine (19:51:43): and before signing off
spies8jasmine (19:51:46): and when i voted isaac
spies8jasmine (19:51:51): i wasnt going to exile her
I find these statements to be contradictory. She says that she found Themba obviously scummy but was not going to exile her for it because she didn't know her well enough. Then she states that it wouldn't of taken much convincing, regardless if she(Jasmine) was getting votes. Let me attempt to clarify.. lol. Even though Jasmine finds Themba scummy, she isn't going to exile her - so she votes for Isaac. BUT, it won't take much convincing to get her to change her vote; even though she still wouldn't know enough about her to exile her.
At the time she voted for Isaac, she knew she wasn't going to exile Themba. Is this because Themba wasn't getting more votes, or because 'she didn't know enough about her to exile her'?
If you found her scummy, were you unwilling to vote her because there wasn't more support for her lynch before you left?
As far as I could find in public chats, these were the only statements made by Jasmine concerning Themba:
spies8stephanie (17:17:32): jas, do you know who you're voting yet
spies8jasmine (17:18:36): No.
spies8jasmine (17:18:45): Right now
spies8jasmine (17:18:53): I'm suspect of two people: Isaac, and yourself.
spies8jasmine (17:18:59): In addition i want to speak more with lawrence
spies8jasmine (17:19:2): themba
spies8jasmine (17:19:3): and owen
spies8jasmine (17:24:44): I wanna talk to Themba.
spies8broderick (18:15:57): Who do you suspect Jasmine?
spies8jasmine (18:17:28): I still am suspect of Isaac, but im trying to let that go to get to know the republicans a bit more
spies8jasmine (18:17:33): and so far, im a bit wary on stephanie.
spies8jasmine (18:17:40): and i want to talk more with themba.
spies8jasmine (19:15:56): themba confuses me
Did you ever have a conversation with Themba Jasmine? It seems like your suspicions of her stemmed from the questions she asked you on the forum board.
Gertrude
I'm leaving in less than half an hour, but at this moment, I am voting for Margot.
She's been accused of being unhelpful and an active lurker, and when she came into the group chat yesterday, she basically admitted it, and then went back to being invisible and unhelpful.
She's been accused of being unhelpful and an active lurker, and when she came into the group chat yesterday, she basically admitted it, and then went back to being invisible and unhelpful.
She then switched to Camilla
I'm switching to Camilla. I agree with the things that were said about her more than I suspect Margot.
I FoS'd her prior to the first exile, her response:[/i]
spies8gertrude (19:58:31): Hey guys, I'd like to respond to Broderick's FoS of me in the suspicion thread.
spies8gertrude (19:58:47): This is what he said:
spies8gertrude (19:58:49): Margot and Gertie - Both of your votes are rather bandwagonesque. Have either of you spoken to Camilla directly in an attempt to hear from her? I assume not as you both said something similar to 'I agree with the things said about her.'
spies8gertrude (19:59:7): While it may seem I bandwagoned on the vote for Camilla, that's not actually the case.
spies8jasmine (19:59:10): Where is this post?
spies8chance (19:59:18): in the suspicion thread.
spies8gertrude (19:59:23): Colloquially, I suspected Camilla before it was cool to suspect Camilla.
If you had suspected her before it was cool, why say 'I agree with the things that were said about her...' ?
I've decided to vote for Margot after MUCH internal and external deliberation.
There are numerous reasons why I'm doing so and I hope people don't expect me to post an entire case when we've been discussing what's so scummy about her for days now. Essentially, though, she's deflected attention, played the victim, and generally been unhelpful.
There are numerous reasons why I'm doing so and I hope people don't expect me to post an entire case when we've been discussing what's so scummy about her for days now. Essentially, though, she's deflected attention, played the victim, and generally been unhelpful.
I note that she uses similar language to Cory's previous post. 'discussing what is so scummy about her' 'deflecting'. I believe the first person I saw mention deflection in regards to Margot's post, was Cinnamyn. (I had originally thought Claude said it first, as my memory goes; couldn't find the quotation for it.) The entire 'we have been discussing, does not exactly imply that it is your original thought. Largely I think Gertrude's Margot vote was a giant OMGUS move.
spies8gertrude (22:45:19): but there was that one chat when people were ripping Claude a new one, and every five minutes or so, Isaac would say something against Claude and it would be way out of left field.
spies8gertrude (18:07:22): Well, originally? I guess it started in the chat before Exile 1 when Camilla and Chance were interrogating Claude
spies8jasmine (18:07:38): oh?
spies8gertrude (18:08:0): Isaac was there, and every five minutes or so, he'd post something a tad superfluous, adding to Chance and Camilla's argument.
spies8gertrude (18:08:46): It seemed like a school child going, "Yeah!" when his friend makes jokes about someone.
spies8gertrude (18:08:51): If that means anything.
These are statements about your suspicions on Isaac. Exactly which chat are you referring to Claude being ripped a new one? The chat at the beginning of the first episode about Cory, or the Claude/Camilla one? If it is the Claude/Cory one, I find these two statements to differ, obv. The fact you suspect(ed) Isaac for his limited commentary during the Claude/Camilla to be hypocrtical, considering that he said more during that chat than you did, even if it was limited or 'egging' on.
[00:40] spies8broderick: Why did you vote for magalie, Gertie?
[00:41] spies8gertrude: Because Magalie lied.
[00:44] spies8broderick: What did she lie about?
[00:45] spies8gertrude: Do you seriously not know or is this some petty test to see if I was told to say that?
[00:46] spies8gertrude: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=770
Your response and use of the word 'petty' is rather silly. I asked what she lied about, why is that such a difficult or 'offensive' question? You linked me to a voting thread, your post doesn't even cover what she lied about, only that she did. Why no specifics?
[19:27] spies8cinnamyn: do u still suspect magalie.?
[19:27] spies8gertrude: I'm not even sure.
[19:28] spies8gertrude: I mean, we all only suspected her because she's so...
[19:28] spies8gertrude: You know. So Magalie.
[21:52] spies8gertrude: But yes, I had numerous conversations with people about wavering between Margot and Magalie.
Why did you suspect Magalie in the first place? I recall you suspecting Isaac and Margot during the second episode, yet you didn't mention Magalie when you were telling me about your suspects on the 23rd. Where did she come from?
Ultimately I think you are a bandwagoner and latch onto popular opinion a lot quicker than others. I can't find evidence of you suspecting people for original thought of your own.[/i]
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Stephanie
spies8stephanie (18:24:42): i thought dane was a spy; i voted for the one i thought was a spy
"So Dane is taking forever to read the dems forum, doesn't know who is on our team, and yet is voting Themba for bringing up the no exile thing for discussion. He immediately went for an easy vote. He admits that he hadn't even talked to Themba. Discussion is a good thing, discussion with your own team is a better thing. I've got to assume that Dane is a spy."
The full conversation can be found Here at the top of the post. Just search for 'Stephanie' or 'Broderick'. For the sake of space, I am omitting the spaces which would signify I omitted an irrelevant bit of chat.
spies8stephanie (10:04:16 PM): my thoughts on zeke and dane
spies8stephanie (10:04:32 PM): were that they were both basically cleard by alex
spies8broderick (10:04:37 PM): A newer player might if they were a spy
spies8broderick (10:04:43 PM): Or if they had read previous seasons
spies8owen (10:04:58 PM): I don't think Zeddy was completely cleared by Alexei.
spies8owen (10:05:02 PM): He never voted for him.
spies8jasmine (10:05:10 PM): This seems to be all start fo teh game, he might have been clueless who was a spy at the point/who was a republican, etc. and he didnt know which chat he was responding to.
spies8stephanie (10:05:14 PM): oh no they are both absolutely on my watch list
spies8owen (10:05:16 PM): When their heads were on the chopping block.
spies8lilith (10:05:25 PM): Ya, why wouldn't Alexie vote for Zed,
.spies8stephanie (10:05:25 PM): but i've put them aside for the time being
spies8stephanie (17:06:1): dane was suspect for me exile 1
spies8stephanie (17:06:16): and i dropped him for the time being because alex sort of cleared him
spies8stephanie (18:25:48): i think the alex flip is what basically cleared zeke and dane in my head
Correct me if I am wrong. But if Alexei's flip 'basically' cleared Zedekiah and Dane in your head and you've dropped them (for now). Then how can they still be on your watch list? Or have you simply dropped them as suspects? It also seems to me like you changed your stance on the both of them being cleared to you, because Owen said he didn't think Zedekiah was completely cleared by Alexei.
spies8stephanie (18:22:54): alex was a spy looking for cit wagons to jump on
spies8stephanie (18:23:5): first he jumped on the zeke wagon
spies8stephanie (18:23:56): alex was basically the one who started the zeke wagon
spies8broderick (18:24:19): If he was a spy, then why didn't you vote for him Stephanie?
spies8stephanie (18:24:42): i thought dane was a spy; i voted for the one i thought was a spy
Alexei was a spy who was looking to jump on citizen wagons, but you didn't think he was a spy so you didn't vote for him. I assume then that this thought is postflip? How did Alexei jump on the Zedekiah wagon if he was the one who basically started the Zedekiah wagon?[/i]
spies8broderick (18:29:12): Why did Zedekiah look suspicious before the HQ comment, and why would it of swayed you to flip
spies8stephanie (18:30:13): zeke looked suspicious from night one
spies8stephanie (18:30:23): our first chat
spies8stephanie (18:30:41): when jenny asked him a question and alex throttled him
spies8stephanie (18:31:31): i am happy to keep explaining republican history, but haven't you two heard all of this before?
spies8broderick (18:31:59): Why did Zedekiah look suspicious before the HQ comment, and why would it of swayed you to flip?
spies8stephanie (18:32:21): in our very first group chat the night after teams
spies8stephanie (18:32:37): jenny asked zeke why he was online but not talking
spies8stephanie (18:33:9): zeke went into the whole song and dance about pizza and video games and he didn't know how to use aim
spies8stephanie (18:33:17): alex started grilling him
spies8stephanie (18:33:26): none of what zeke said made any sense
spies8broderick (18:34:11): But I'm asking why you found him suspicious, your opinion on it.
spies8broderick (18:34:15): Not for factual things
spies8stephanie (18:36:8): and i'm not sure what to tell you chef
spies8stephanie (18:36:15): zeke was suspicious
spies8broderick (18:36:23): Why was he suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:36:24): he got asked a simple question
spies8stephanie (18:36:30): and couldn't answer it
spies8stephanie (18:36:35): he didn't make any sense
spies8broderick (18:36:50): Why is that suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:37:18): you don't think it's suspicious
spies8broderick (18:37:29): Is that the only reason he looked suspicious, because of his not talking at the beginning thing?
spies8broderick (18:37:40): I am asking you why you find it suspicious
spies8stephanie (18:37:43): i think if you are asked a question, and you are a cit, you just answer it
spies8stephanie (18:38:15): you don't start talking about the night before and eating pizza
I find it suspicious that it took multiple questionings for her to give me her opinion on why it was suspicious.
spies8broderick (18:38:56): K. What were the other reasons that he was suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:39:41): am i forgetting some?
spies8stephanie (18:39:58): i can't remember any others, but i was pretty focused on dane
spies8broderick (18:40:34): spies8stephanie (18:27:45): there were a whole bunch of reasons that zeke looked suspicious before the HQ remark
spies8stephanie (18:41:54): and that wasn't a whole bunch yet?
spies8broderick (18:42:17): In my opinion that was one reason, his behavior in the first chat.
spies8broderick (18:42:31): Or would it be two? Not talking then later not answering a question?
spies8broderick (18:42:52): You said a whole bunch. Could you number them, or list them?
spies8stephanie (18:43:6): whatever
spies8broderick (18:43:32): K.
spies8broderick (18:43:45): So why would the HQ remark of swayed you had you been present?
spies8stephanie (18:44:3): i can't get to spies8 now?
spies8stephanie (18:44:5): sry
spies8broderick (18:44:22): huh?
I think this speaks for itself. She said there were a 'whole bunch' of reasons that Zedekiah looked suspicious, yet I do not believe that she told 'a whole bunch'. Two at most. Her 'I can't get to spies8 now?' comment struck me as odd, and I still do not understand it. It seemed to, and still does - that she meant she could not access the spies8 board to help her answer.
lol. I think I am beginning to take up too much space in this, so read that chat. My entire goal of asking her these questions was to see what she had thought, why she found things suspicious. I don't believe she understood why the HQ comment was deemed suspicious, I believe she was hopping onto a popular thought.
spies8stephanie (18:49:15): i have said a few times that if i had been around on father's day, i first would have switched to alex
spies8broderick (18:49:48): I can't recall you saying that, at least not presently
spies8stephanie (18:49:50): one of the reasons i couldn't find it in my heart to vote for him was because he agreed with me about dane
She first would of switched to Alexei, then would of switched to Zedekiah. I was under the impression that you did not think Alexei was a spy. So why would you of switched to him?
spies8broderick (18:55:58): For the record. I think Stephanie is a bandwagoner, and is most likely not scum hunting.
spies8stephanie (18:56:54): lol, but you could do with some more history lessons
spies8stephanie (18:57:27): cause my vote for dane, my susp of rondak, def not a bandwagon
Is this an indirect admission that everything else you had done was bandwagony?
spies8lilith (19:04:26): So who is a spy? XD
spies8stephanie (19:04:41): my vote is on larry
What were your reasons for having your vote on Lawrence? I looked in the following chat I could not find where you discussed why your vote was on Lawrence. You asked other people what their opinion of Lawrence was, but never offered to explain why. You even disappeared from the conversation after making that statement.
spies8stephanie (21:06:23): easy target? i would disagree with that assessment
spies8stephanie (21:08:46): well, larry didn't seem to be a target on dem side; you and isaac and jas all came in her suspecting and sniping each other and mostly ignoring him
spies8stephanie (21:09:21): an easy target would have been to go with one of your suspicions
Were your two statements after you said you disagreed with me saying Lawrence was an easy lynch target.
spies8broderick (21:17:35): well, larry didn't seem to be a target on dem side; you and isaac and jas all came in her suspecting and sniping each other and mostly ignoring him
spies8stephanie (21:17:59): huh?
spies8broderick (21:18:16): I would assume that is your reason as to why you don't think he is an easy target?
spies8lilith (21:18:18): People are ignoring me? So I am not paranoid!
spies8broderick (21:18:30): Or just 'an easy target would have been to go with one of your suspicions' ?
spies8stephanie (21:18:46): huh?
Notice that you huh'd me both times when I was asking for clarification on what your reasons for disagreeing with me. Maybe it was confusing because I didn't include your name in the quotation?
spies8broderick (21:21:47): I quoted the two parts where you could of given reasons as to why you disagreed, you said huh
spies8broderick (21:21:54): so I asked it straight out
spies8stephanie (21:26:1): brod you can disagree with my reasons that's fine, but why do i have to keep repeating them
spies8broderick (21:26:12): You have not repeated the reasons Stephanie
spies8stephanie (21:26:24): no, and i'm not going to
A clear lie. We have covered this situation, I just find the entire thing suspicious. To state that you had repeated something - when you had not - and then to admit that you had not. Then you left the chat altogether three minutes later.
Voting Lawrence (I still refuse to bold).
(8:25:57 PM) spies8stephanie: so i am all confused on your suspects
(8:26:23 PM) spies8stephanie: you told me yesterday that brod was spy on "gut"
(8:26:40 PM) spies8stephanie: and you were most susp. of jas
(8:26:48 PM) spies8stephanie: and investigating isaac?
(8:26:51 PM) spies8lawrence: Yeah, the entire "case" against him is posted in the dem side.
(8:27:12 PM) spies8lawrence: Pretty much, yeah.
(8:27:19 PM) spies8stephanie: but you told tina that you would vote isaac or themba?
(8:27:47 PM) spies8stephanie: having a hard time with most susp. of jas and voting isaac
(8:28:34 PM) spies8stephanie: or themba, have you talked with themba?
(8:29:39 PM) spies8lawrence: Well, it was the "choose now" aspect of her question. I had not managed to do any studying into anyone but Jas, and despite susicions, I didn't have much concrete on her. So I would have had to take a leap of faith in tht situation.
(8:31:20 PM) spies8lawrence: And no, I have not yet talked with Themba. I do most of my hunting by studying logs and posts dur to the fact that I feel I get more reliable tells that way. I do intend to talkj with her though.
(8:25:57 PM) spies8stephanie: so i am all confused on your suspects
(8:26:23 PM) spies8stephanie: you told me yesterday that brod was spy on "gut"
(8:26:40 PM) spies8stephanie: and you were most susp. of jas
(8:26:48 PM) spies8stephanie: and investigating isaac?
(8:26:51 PM) spies8lawrence: Yeah, the entire "case" against him is posted in the dem side.
(8:27:12 PM) spies8lawrence: Pretty much, yeah.
(8:27:19 PM) spies8stephanie: but you told tina that you would vote isaac or themba?
(8:27:47 PM) spies8stephanie: having a hard time with most susp. of jas and voting isaac
(8:28:34 PM) spies8stephanie: or themba, have you talked with themba?
(8:29:39 PM) spies8lawrence: Well, it was the "choose now" aspect of her question. I had not managed to do any studying into anyone but Jas, and despite susicions, I didn't have much concrete on her. So I would have had to take a leap of faith in tht situation.
(8:31:20 PM) spies8lawrence: And no, I have not yet talked with Themba. I do most of my hunting by studying logs and posts dur to the fact that I feel I get more reliable tells that way. I do intend to talkj with her though.
What exactly are/were your reasons for voting for Lawrence? You supplied a chat quote, and?
(8:38:58 PM) spies8stephanie: i was just grilling larry
(8:39:12 PM) spies8stephanie: about why he said he'd vote you if he had to vote last night
(8:40:38 PM) spies8stephanie: he just said the case was posting in the dem burg and tina was pressuring him to vote last night
(8:41:48 PM) spies8stephanie: so larry, i guess when you said that jas was most suspicious...you really meant that isaac was most suspicious?
(8:42:35 PM) spies8stephanie: or do you vote someone other than your most suspicious?
(8:43:38 PM) spies8lawrence: I meant I had more information pointing to Jasmine. But you can't always vote solely on what the information is; some may be wrong or misread.
Why did you exlude this part? Or did it not fit into your 'suspicions' of Lawrence, when you failed to explain?
These I would like clarification on:
spies8kiara (21:55:20): i like steph, i do, but a lot of things she says are downright goofy. for example after the first challenge round she was saying to me that she was suspious of jas but she did well in the challenge so she wasnt as much anymore. i tell her theres no real reason for a spy to sabatoge because someone is gonna win, so doing well doesnt mean much. she then tells me that she said that exact same thing to gabe earlier. um, what?
Did you say both of these things Stephanie? That you found Jasmine suspicious, but less so because she did well in the challenge? But earlier had told Gabriel that there wasn't really a reason for a spy to sabotage the challenge?
If so. How are these not contradictory thoughts/statements?
spies8broderick (18:32:0): Stephanie, did you and Tina talk about Lawrence being ignored on the Democrats side?
spies8stephanie (18:32:33): probably, although i don't remember the exact conversation
spies8stephanie (18:32:41): let me look
spies8stephanie (18:36:1): brod, i looked through my private chats with tina and don't see it, but i could have talked to her in here about it
Who had the original thought that Lawrence was being ignored on the Democrats side? Yours or Tina's?
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Actively Keep My eye on:
Lilith:
Monday June 29th -
spies8lilith (20:06:36): Stephanie and Jasmine I keep changing my mind on, but I think it's odd the way Jasmine agreed with me on pushing Zed the other day. I was pushing to see his reaction, and afterwards, felt more unsure. She was pushing and seemed unphased by anything he was responding. I almost feel like she was leading me down the wrong path and encouraging me. She kept repeating "OMG does anyone else love Lilith" and I outright said each time u say that i think u r a spy, half jokingly, half thinking she is tryin to get me on her good side, but then she stays completey quiet after I say that... BUT... I don't want and have not told anyone but you that I am wary of Jasmine. I want to let her keep thinking we are buddy-buddy. Let her guard down so I can further examine how she acts. If she gives her own opinions or just keeps encouraging what I think of. So I would appreciate it if you didn't tell anyone I suspect her, YET.
Thursday July 1st [3.5 hours before Exile] -
spies8lilith (16:34:32): I kept getting both good vibes and bad vibes from both of those girls. My gut really tells me Steph is a citizen though, despite her moves that make her look like a spy. Jasmine has done some odd things, but I don't think a spy would do some of the things she's done. Themba, on the other hand, I don't feel like she is being sincere in her accusations.
spies8lilith (16:38:18): Her accusation on Jasmine seems odd to me. If I were suspscious of Jasmine (which I have been) there are other things I would have pointed out about Jasmine's comments
spies8broderick (20:36:8): Why did you approach Jasmine and tell her the votes were close?
spies8broderick (20:36:14): Did you push her to change her vote?
spies8lilith (20:36:17): Because I don't think she is mafia.
[1.25 hours after Exile started]
spies8lilith (21:13:22): I agree with Jasmine (although I think you might be a spy now, LOL)
What happened after 3.5 hours prior to Exile that made you think Jasmine was a citizen? I assume that you changed your mind on her more than half anhour before hand, since you apparently sent her PMs and IMs. Why the change? Then why the change back to suspecting her?
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] BITCH GET ONLINE
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] I DONT WANT YOU OUT
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] lol
(10:33:12 PM): [Offline IM sent 20m ago] In case you do get online at the last minute. Quick summary: I'm damn sure Isaac and Themba are spies. Change your vote to Themba if you can. The votes are going to be between you and her it looks like.
(10:33:23 PM): YAY!
Regardless of what timezone this is in, it is at least 27 minutes before Exile starts.
I think a lot of her theories are from a galaxy farfar farfar away. While they can inject a sense of freshness into conversations and ways of thinking, I think the majority of the times in which she presents these are in the middle of a irrelevant conversation - and prove to be distracting.
spies8lilith (18:06:16): And you LOL after you type up your reasons on Jasmine
spies8lilith (18:06:22): You don't lol after you type up stuff about Themba
spies8lilith (18:06:58): Your LOL insinuates you KNOW your reason for voting Jasmine are silly and not really scum-based
spies8broderick (18:07:37): I think you are reading too much into the power of an 'lol'
spies8lilith (18:07:57): I wasn't basing it off the "LOL", just something extra I just realized.
If you weren't basing it off of the LOL, then why even mention it, and use it as an argument point?
Why do you say lol when you attribute something suspicious towards them? I've seen a couple via the transcripts, would have to look further to see how much you do it.
spies8lilith (17:21:59): "Yes, but a spy can say that too" ... that kind of comment gives me spy-vibes Jasmine, lol.
spies8lilith (21:13:22): I agree with Jasmine (although I think you might be a spy now, LOL)
spies8lilith (18:09:48): Isaac
spies8lilith (18:09:54): Why don't you just say right now why you suspect Jasmine
spies8lilith (18:09:59): And why you suspect Themba.
spies8lilith (18:10:3): And why you are voting Jasmine over Themba
spies8isaac (18:10:58): We just talked about this lilith. And in fact I'm just finishing up my vote threat vote right now so if you wait two more minutes you can read it yourself
spies8lilith (18:11:16): I want you to say it in here, so we can actively engage with you about it.
spies8lilith (18:11:49): A town shouldn'y mind repeating themselves, because they are sincere about it. Mafia have more to worry about repeating themselves, because they are lying and can get caught easier.
spies8broderick (18:12:24): And you think Stephanie is a citizen Lilith?
spies8lilith (18:12:31): Yes
spies8broderick (18:12:49): Even though she refused to 'repeat herself' last night
spies8lilith (18:12:52): I feel her actions are that of a mafia, but I feel the way she explains her suscpions that she is sincere.
spies8lilith (18:12:58): I didn't read the last night thing.
spies8broderick (18:13:15): There is a thread which touched upon it
spies8lilith (18:13:22): I am focused on getting atleast a little read off of everybody, because I don't want to let people go off unnoticed.
spies8lilith (18:13:40): And the people that do spyke my interest I want to get to know more, to see if my read intensifies or changes.
spies8lilith (18:14:35): My initial read on Steph is that she is leaning towards town, as are you Brod, that's why I am focusing on learning more about the people that DO spike my interest.
spies8broderick (18:15:6): I was just curious because you just said "A town shouldn'y mind repeating themselves, because they are sincere about it. Mafia have more to worry about repeating themselves, because they are lying and can get caught easier."
spies8lilith (18:15:10): I do, however, intend to come back to people that I am less sure about (Owen, Brod, Steph) and get a better read on them, but for now I am confident in them not being spies and others being more likely candidates.
spies8broderick (18:15:13): She flat out refused to 'repeat' herself last night
spies8lilith (18:15:58): Was it something game-related?
spies8broderick (18:16:51): Yes
spies8broderick (18:17:7): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gop&action=display&thread=697
spies8broderick (18:17:14): The 'condensed' version
spies8lilith (18:19:13): What's being omitted?
spies8broderick (18:20:47): the full log is posted in the log thread
I know it is a rather larger chat excerpt, however it is from the spies8Republicans room, so perfectly legal. I find your avoidance of actually answering the question to be suspicious. You stated that town shouldn't mind repeating themselves, and seemed to use it as a point against Isaac. Stephanie's refusal to 'repeat' herself should of struck you has much more scummy. Mafia can not be sincere?
spies8stephanie (18:22:19): is brod still going on about me not repeating myself
spies8lilith (18:22:42): I brought it up the topic of repeating oneself in a different context, but yes
I find this a sign of hopping behavior. Considering that it had only just been brought up, there is no way that can be considered as 'still going on about'. Also considering that you had just learned about it. I think you are agreeing with Stephanie merely to agree.
Is your secondary look upon Stephanie a read of scum?
Tuesday June 29th:
spies8lilith (19:59:58): Can I bring up a random theory that I thought of? (I know most things I say are off topic because I can't really discuss most of the things yall talk about being a replacement, lol, but if there is a good time to but in and present an idea let me know ^_^ -- it has to do with why Gabe died).
spies8lilith (20:01:37): Well, looking back, someone was saved (before a team switch). And the doctor would most likely save someone on their team (makes sense to save someone u know of rather than someone at random). So Gabe dying signals to me that A) the mafia attempted to kill an original republican and B) they would know a doctor is an original republican and in order to get rid of him so they can take out whoever they want without worry they would kill a republican they think might be a doctor.
spies8lilith (20:02:30): I couldn't really think of why Gabe would be killed, cuz all he talked to me about the day before was his suscpions on Savaanah. And if I was mafia and I knew which side doctor was on, I'd keep killing people from that side to try to murder the doctor or who I thought was the doctor.
spies8lilith (20:02:45): Just an idea I had .
spies8lilith (20:03:5): Although thinking about it - killing doctor isn't really a huge priority, unless, there's someone you really want to kill that u know the doctor saved.
Wednesday June 30th:
spies8lilith (19:17:52): Actuall
spies8lilith (19:17:53): I think
spies8lilith (19:17:57): we should give immunities
spies8lilith (19:18:5): to former republicans
pies8lilith (19:18:15): I mean
spies8lilith (19:18:20): former aka current republicans
spies8lilith (19:18:25): aka not any ex-democrats
spies8lilith (19:19:26): I think they'll keep trying to kill original republicans,
spies8broderick (19:19:42): Why do you think that Lilith?
spies8lilith (19:20:7): I really am hesitant about explaining this... but I'll do it anyways.
spies8lilith (19:20:26): Errrrr.
spies8lilith (19:20:47): I actually would like to talk to Tina first before I explain it. Sorry.
spies8lilith (19:20:56): I am being confusing, I know, lol.
spies8lilith (19:21:9): I just feel it'd be best if immunities went to original republican.
spies8lilith (19:21:30): Actually, I'm going to explain it, Tina is going to get mad at me, but here we go.
spies8lilith (19:22:16): First kill, dr. saved correctly. Mafia may therefore be able to predict which side Dr. is on. Next kill they choose Gabe (an original republican). I think the first saved target was a republcian, mafia now knows that dr is on the original republicans, and will continue to try to pick off the doctor.
spies8lilith (19:22:45): That's the only reason I could see Gabe being killed from what I heard, that he may be the Doctor.
I do not get this entire thing. The excerpt from the 30th shows that you are hesitant about discussing something, that you need to speak with Tina first. Why mention it at all if you were unwilling to discuss it? Why would you need permission from Tina?
Considering that you brought it up the day before without hesitation. I find it suspect. I assume you wouldn't want to of brought it up because it would get people thinking about who the Doctor was, yet you brought it up anyways? how is that citizen move?
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Tina
She was one of the first to be on Alexei and helped make the case on him here. While reading the chat I got the impression that Tina noticed the things about Alexei first, and Nita was second?
I am voting Alexei, for the case that Nita and I made on him. It is really nice. You should go look at it.
spies8broderick (21:08:23): Ahh. How come you didn't vote for Alexei?
spies8tina (21:09:20): The night before exile he told me that he was voting for Dane. After I discussed that suspicion with him, he realized a lot of it was based in a misconception, and said he would vote Steph.
spies8tina (21:09:34): At that point he was refusing the vote either of the other two getting any suspicion.
spies8tina (21:09:50): Right before the exile, Zek called the Burg "HQ"
spies8tina (21:10:5): That one pushed me over the edge on it.
spies8tina (21:10:31): If either of those two did not occur I do not think I would have moved.
Why was Alexei's vote switching a factor?
I find that you switched off of Alexei when you were one of the case contributors - and even urged people to look at it, suspect. To me it looks like a spy who noticed their pal could eventually become a problem and under fire so preemptively started a case not thinking it would be picked up and ran with. Then switched their vote when an opportunity presented itself in Zedekiah. What exactly were your reasons for suspecting Zedekiah, as I assume you had to of suspected him - or was it the HQ comment only?
[21:48] spies8zedekiah: but if he's town he should read our own dang HQ
spies8themba (18:30:3): to answer you question Jas, yes Zed made the comment with just over an hour to go before exile
spies8lilith (00:18:26): According to Tina, she didn't change her vote to whoever till late.
spies8broderick (00:18:42): To Zedekiah, I think it was about fifteen minutes before
Correct me if I am wrong. I don't know what timezone the first is in and what relation to the Exile. however from group chats I was under the impression that Zedekiah made his HQ comment at least an hour before the exile, and you had switched your vote about fifteen minutes prior. If the HQ comment was the switch factor, why wait so long in between?
spies8tina (21:24:55): I almost want to vote Isaac, but cannot explain it enough even to make myself somewhat happy.
spies8tina (21:25:5): I like the response from Law though.
spies8tina (00:38:42): I think that I just gave a misexile momentum and am not seeing if I cannot put someone else up.
spies8tina (00:39:14): I think Isaac would be that person.
As of now I am no longer voting Lawrence. I am not sure who my vote will be at this time.
I am going to vote either Isaac or Themba, once I get an answer to a few questions I will make up my mind and post about it.
I will not vote Lawrence or Jasmine. If either are chosen by this side I will be voting the Dems pick.
I will not vote Lawrence or Jasmine. If either are chosen by this side I will be voting the Dems pick.
Why did you jump off Lawrence? I thought it had to do with a people jumping on the wagon, and you liking his responses to your thread.
[15:46] spies8mary: Tina, was he the one who made you jump off Lawrence or was it Stephanie?
[15:46] spies8tina: Steph was the bigger one.
[15:46] spies8mary: Ok.
[15:47] spies8tina: I just got so little resistnace to that push it scared me
What exactly did Isaac and Stephanie have to do with switching off Lawrence?
(I assume He is Isaac, there just was not a relevant chat quote which stated him by name, however he was the one being discussed.)
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Trying to keep my eye on/ Have hit my Radar:
Allan - He has a role, obv that would cause a radar hit. I am currently leaning citizen, mostly because he seems like a total newb. but I refuse to clear him because of that.
Chance - He caused a headache mess in the first episode which involved hesaidhesaid things. He is undoubtedly connected to Claude in some manner.
Claude - In the limelight since the beginning of the first episode. He has a role which obv would cause an additional radar hit. He definitely got a point in my book after he decided to use his role on Allan, when previously he had blatantly refused to.
Cory - Isaac & Margot were his top two towards end of Episode 2. I hadn't thought Margot was a suspicion of his, so made a notation about it in my confessional. New teams didn't give me time to follow up.
Dane - Where the eff is this guy? He is arguably the largest MIA Burgite, yet bribed by the Spies? I don't think the Bribe is a tell on his alignment.
Isaac - Lurked during the first Episode.
Jenny - Allan claimed to her early on for reasons I can not fathom. Nita claimed to her as well. I do not see anything obv pro-town about her, which would lead to role claims.
Kiara - Where the eff is this girl? She is on AIM quite a lot, but never seems to be actually there.
Lawrence - Copied suspicions in the first episode.
Magalie - Contradiction on her Gertrude vote/suspicions from the first episode.
Zedekiah - A questionable HQ remark. Lurker, suspicions on everyone - rarely contributes to conversation.
Haven't hit my Radar:
Awohali
Cinnamyn
Hambone
Mary
Owen
Rondak
*I have a few more things to add, I might do it tomorrow morning. I really just want to go bash my head up against a wall. lol.
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