spies8owen (22:39:49): Hey there.
spies8broderick (22:40:18): hey Owen
spies8owen (22:41:28): Looks like everything that I've been holding in is finally out there *weight off shoulders*
spies8owen (22:42:3): Now I don't have to defend Chance. HOORAY.
spies8broderick (22:42:38): lol
spies8broderick (22:42:52): So what did Tina tell Kiara to get her off Allan?
spies8owen (22:43:24): I'm not exactly sure what she said to her, all she said is that she strongly hinted at what it was.
spies8broderick (22:43:51): Hm?
spies8owen (22:46:41): Tina never told us exactly what she told Kiara.
spies8broderick (22:46:47): Kiara told me it involved another person. Just trying to work it out. Can't think of what Tina could've possibly said to her, to get her off of him
spies8broderick (22:46:49): Oh.
spies8broderick (22:47:0): Allan seemed to know, he said he told you
spies8owen (22:47:27): Yep, Allan and I discussed the role. I already knew about it for a round or so before that.
spies8broderick (22:47:55): The role, being Kiara's or Chance's?
spies8broderick (22:48:2): im confused
spies8owen (22:48:9): Gertrudes.
spies8owen (22:48:56): Gertrude used her role on Allan. Allan came to me with the role and how it worked, since he got a synopsis of it when it was used on him.
spies8owen (22:49:0): I already knew at that point.
spies8owen (22:56:48): How are you feeling about Kiara's claim that Awo was role-less?
spies8owen (22:57:33): I'm gonna call bullshit on that. Awo is a confirmed citizen. He should be trusted more than someone that claimed a unconfirmable role with little time left.
spies8broderick (23:00:23): Oh okay. I dont think Awohali was lying or trying to pull a stunt
spies8owen (23:00:46): Yep, like we both said, doesn't seem like he'd be the type to do that.
spies8owen (23:00:52): He was all business.
spies8broderick (23:06:39): Did Tina know about Gertrude using her role on Allan?
spies8broderick (23:06:47): Maybe that is what Kiara was told or something
spies8owen (23:08:30): Yes, Allan also went to Tina.
spies8owen (23:09:27): He was originally going to save her, she convinced him to save me (after the two of us basically fought each other for the other to have it, complete opposite of how it usually goes).
spies8owen (23:09:51): Allan didn't know if he was allowed to change, so we were unsure if I'd be protected or Tina would be. Obviously ended up being me.
spies8broderick (23:10:44): Hmm
spies8broderick (23:27:21): Do you know why Kiara was told about Chance, even though it didn't seem like people were set on her being a cit, even like right after she claimed?
spies8owen (23:28:47): I looked back into the chat we'd been using that night and saw they had claimed to her. I was surprised by it too.
spies8broderick (23:29:27): Oh, so both Gertrude and Chance willingly claimed to her?
spies8owen (23:30:39): Unsure. I believe both wanted Zed lynched over Kiara, so I would think they were both okay with the claim.
spies8owen (23:30:54): After that is pretty much when I went MIA.
spies8broderick (23:31:0): hmm
spies8broderick (23:32:19): So who all knew about Cory and Gertrude?
spies8broderick (23:32:21): Long list?
spies8owen (23:33:12): In order: me, Cory, Tina, Mary, Claude, Kiara.
spies8broderick (23:33:55): In order of when told?
spies8owen (23:33:59): Yep.
spies8owen (23:34:7): Might have Claude/Mary mixed up.
spies8broderick (23:34:28): Nah I think Mary knew before Claude. She seemed to say something to that affect earlier tonight I think
spies8owen (23:36:37): I think Mary was told in parts.
spies8owen (23:36:41): First about masons.
spies8owen (23:36:48): Then roles at a later point.
spies8broderick (23:37:4): Hmm.
spies8broderick (23:37:16): To be honest I wish we were going into a break
spies8broderick (23:38:52): Because I keep just getting seriously irritated about all of this. I feel like a large portion of this game has been a waste of time. Suspecting and compiling information on both Chance and Gertrude.
spies8broderick (23:38:54): *sigh*
spies8owen (23:39:19): Claude felt the same way at first.
spies8owen (23:39:26): I can understand the frustration.
spies8owen (23:39:46): Focusing on someone that long for something like this to come up.
spies8broderick (23:39:53): Had Gertrude not been imprisoned, would it of kept on going?
spies8broderick (23:39:58): The secrecy and stuff/
spies8owen (23:40:1): Cory and I wanted it out.
spies8owen (23:40:17): Spies can work around imprisonment immunities.
spies8owen (23:40:19): They did last season.
spies8owen (23:40:56): I'm not sure it could have stayed in much longer.
spies8owen (23:41:7): But I can't predict when it would have come out.
spies8broderick (23:41:32): Hmm. Well it makes the Zedekiah exile a lot more sense. Even if I think it oculd of been avoided.
spies8broderick (23:41:36): Why not just lynch Lawrence?
spies8owen (23:42:1): I couldn't vote him -- don't know why others didn't go for it.
spies8owen (23:42:9): I think Kiara was the best lynch option still.
spies8owen (23:42:22): I choked after she claimed, admittedly.
spies8broderick (23:46:0): So now that a lot of stuff is out in the open, who does that make the spies?
spies8owen (23:46:18): My top 4 would be: Jenny, Dane, Kiara, Cinnamyn.
spies8owen (23:46:36): Jenny rarely takes stances, she's defended Dane quite a bit to me.
spies8owen (23:46:40): More than she's defended anyone else.
spies8owen (23:46:48): Though, she's also defended Chance.
spies8broderick (23:47:6): Jenny/Chance relationship bothers me
spies8owen (23:47:19): Chance thinks I'm connected to Jenny.
spies8broderick (23:47:39): How so?
spies8owen (23:48:31): He thinks that if Jenny flips scum, my main defense of voting Isaac becomes null.
spies8broderick (23:48:55): How?
spies8owen (23:48:57): Maybe, just MAYBE, it's possible I was on the right track.
spies8owen (23:49:6): (11:15:00 PM) spies8cinnamyn: i am considerin' a jenny vote rite now
(11:15:02 PM) spies8cinnamyn: strongly
(11:15:29 PM) spies8owen: My vote ultimately will probably go between Isaac, Mags, Jenny.
(11:15:57 PM) spies8owen: I'm still not believing a lot of stuff Isaac says.
(11:16:22 PM) spies8owen: People can say whatever they want to appear cit, but it's a matter of them actually thinking the things they're saying that is important.
spies8broderick (23:49:32): lol
spies8owen (23:49:38): That looks good for Cin, though.
spies8broderick (23:49:41): If Jenny is a spy, that is three spies
spies8owen (23:49:54): Yessir. I'm the ultimate busser.
spies8broderick (23:49:55): Nice job bussing there Owen. You could of done it blind. lol
spies8broderick (23:50:11): Beep Beep
spies8owen (23:50:22): Bus bus baby.
spies8owen (23:50:25): I know, I'm good.
spies8broderick (23:51:12): My gut does not appreciate all of this fake scum stuff.
spies8broderick (23:51:21): It was right on a lot of things. Now it will question itself.
spies8owen (23:51:22): Sorry, sir.
spies8broderick (23:51:23): ugggh
spies8owen (23:53:11): Has Public Jennemy #1 ever defended Dane to you?
spies8broderick (23:53:20): lol
spies8broderick (23:53:31): mm nothing comes to mind
spies8owen (23:53:38): (1:28:00 AM) spies8jenny: As a spy you mean? How come?
(1:28:16 AM) spies8owen: He seems to avoid AIM. When he comes on, all he does is fight.
(1:28:34 AM) spies8owen: He questions people in simple ways like "who would you vote between?"
(1:28:47 AM) spies8owen: I just don't see him doing much.
(1:28:49 AM) spies8owen: Other than fighting.
(1:29:59 AM) spies8jenny: I might agree with that, but considering how wonderfully that train of thought went with Harold last time, that's not going to do much for me this time around.
(1:30:33 AM) spies8jenny: Especially since I've always had suspicions that they're the same person anyways.
spies8broderick (23:53:42): she is very stanceless when i ask her stuff
spies8owen (23:53:45): That's after I said Dane is moving up.
spies8owen (23:54:10): Yep, she's usually stanceless, that's why her having a stance on Dane concerns me.
spies8broderick (23:55:11): In my private history chat with her. Dane is not mentioned once
spies8owen (23:55:43):
(9:33:05 PM) spies8owen: I was looking at Dane/Brod/Kiara. Considering now I can only vote 1 of those, I guess it'd be wise to focus on Kiara at the moment.
(9:33:21 PM) spies8jenny: Dane?
(9:33:24 PM) spies8owen: Yep.
(9:33:30 PM) spies8owen: My theory now is that we have WIFOM spies.
(9:33:36 PM) spies8owen: Look at Magalie getting her vote back.
(9:33:42 PM) spies8jenny: Oh I see what you're saying now.
(9:33:44 PM) spies8owen: Now look at Dane's PUBLIC bribe.
(9:33:49 PM) spies8jenny: I thought you were saying your vote was between those three.
spies8owen (23:56:25): I give a summary on my suspicions of you/Kiara/Dane.
spies8owen (23:56:27): (9:41:32 PM) spies8owen: Opinions?
(9:43:20 PM) spies8jenny: Dane I've found has been more agreeable when I talk with him in private. I was kind of talking about it with someone earlier actually, when someone brought up how him and Ricky both get in fights a lot.
Ricky gets into fights a lot mainly from coming off as arrogant or haughty, while Dane seems to get into his fights by disagreeing with someone about a point and blitzing them on it.
spies8broderick (23:57:16): oh ok she has defended him in public chats
spies8owen (23:57:18): Basically, whenever I bring Dane up, she questions it.
spies8broderick (23:57:32): Saying how she has had quite a few convos with him, when people say he isnt around
spies8broderick (23:58:39): like two large points I have against Jenny, from my own interactions with her. Is that she copy/pasts a lot of her thoughts. If I ask her what she thinks on something or a suspect, she'll say "oh I was just talking about that, lemme paste that'
spies8broderick (23:58:48): Which I find rather odd. Why not just resay it
spies8owen (23:59:6): Haven't really noticed that with me and her.
spies8broderick (23:59:7): Also her avoidance of me asking her to provide evidence in how Awohali was taking a note from Claude and myself.
spies8owen (23:59:19): But what I've noticed is that she states things that have happened, not opinions.
spies8broderick (23:59:37): She finally responded when I made a thread about it. But I felt she didn't exactly answer it. It was more like 'here are a couple of links'
spies8owen (00:00:17): (11:39:24 PM) spies8jenny: Anyways, since I brought it up a while ago in the group chat, I might as well show you. Spice was asking me earlier what I was thinking as far as suspicions went, after wondering what I was doing looking for cits. Ended up showing the game board note chart thing I've had around for a bit, so I might as well show it to you too.
i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture106.jpgi943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture109.jpgspies8owen (00:00:46): Seems over-cit.
spies8broderick (00:01:13): i didn't understand that. lol
spies8owen (00:01:48): I think on the darkside board, the ones closest to the top are her spy picks.
spies8owen (00:01:50): Bottom unsure.
spies8owen (00:01:54): Other board are her cits.
spies8broderick (00:02:56): hmm
spies8broderick (00:03:15): Did you read the log for today/night?
spies8owen (00:03:25): Negative. Will do.
spies8owen (00:03:40): Was Jenny around?
spies8broderick (00:03:42): I felt Jenny was always 'ontop' of telling people when they got on, that Awohali didn't have a role and that he lied. Then she would say 'according to Kaira'
spies8broderick (00:03:44): Yeah
spies8broderick (00:03:57): We battled getting our vote back for.. four hours i think
spies8broderick (00:04:30): Kiara I think is going to vote for Jenny, regardless that her role said Awohali doesn't have one
spies8broderick (00:04:36): Which I found rather odd
spies8broderick (00:04:52): She said that Awohali must be lying because of it, but wouldn't/couldnt explain why she thought he lied.
spies8owen (00:04:54): Hmm...
spies8owen (00:05:1): That could be because she knows there's too many cit roles out there.
spies8owen (00:05:5): And hers is fake.
spies8broderick (00:05:26): She said she wasnt a psychologist, so couldn't explain what he was thinking
spies8broderick (00:05:31): Which i take to be a total copout
spies8owen (00:06:9): I know if I legitimately found out he didn't have a role, my vote wouldn't DEFINITELY be on Jenny.
spies8owen (00:06:11): I'd be looking around more.
spies8broderick (00:07:13): It just didnt seem right to me, in regards to Kiara
spies8owen (00:07:38): The Cinnamyn convo about "using her role on Jenny"
spies8broderick (00:07:41): I guess it was that Jenny is still scummy, even though Awohali lied
spies8owen (00:07:41): Seemed off to me too.
spies8broderick (00:07:55): That didnt make much sense either
spies8broderick (00:08:4): Dane was doing something similar in the chat as well
spies8owen (00:08:4): It sounded like
spies8owen (00:08:11): she thought it would clear Jenny.
spies8broderick (00:08:23): Kiara did in the group chat a well
spies8owen (00:08:25): That's how I interpreted it.
spies8broderick (00:08:31): Altogether too much weirdness
spies8broderick (00:08:44): It sounded to me like Kiara was going to use her role ON Jenny, which would clear her.
spies8broderick (00:08:56): Which didn't make sense at all.
spies8owen (00:08:58): From the Cinnamyn convo?
spies8broderick (00:09:5): Yes, from the Cinnamyn convo
spies8owen (00:09:30): Yeah, that's what I took it as. It would clear Jenny.
spies8owen (00:10:38): Also have to wonder if they found out Cory was the doctor.
spies8owen (00:10:49): Last two to find out about that before he died = Kiara & Steph.
spies8owen (00:10:58): Steph wanted to get him lynched, though.
spies8owen (00:11:5): Didn't trust it whatsoever.
spies8broderick (00:11:13): lol?
spies8broderick (00:11:19):
spies8dane (19:25:37): with your exile jenny, we know whether or not kiara is for real
spies8dane (19:26:9): either we get a proven cit in kiara, or we get 2 spies
spies8owen (00:11:43): That's what I'm hoping for.
spies8owen (00:11:47): And Daney, you're #3.
spies8broderick (00:12:13):
spies8dane (19:19:56): is it possible she could be a spy security point?
spies8dane (19:20:3): and thats why she only got one check?
spies8broderick (19:20:17): hmm?
spies8broderick (00:12:18): That is what Dane said, which I found odd
spies8owen (00:12:30): Interesting..
spies8broderick (00:12:46):
spies8cinnamyn (19:20:21): maybe, but i dont believe it 2 begin wit'
spies8dane (19:20:25): gotcha
spies8cinnamyn (19:20:44): she also got more than 1 check
spies8broderick (19:20:46): what do you mean one check spyDane?
spies8cinnamyn (19:20:47): according 2 her
spies8dane (19:20:54): per round, wasn't it?
spies8jenny (19:20:59): She only gets 2 if she guesses right about the alignment of the person being exiled.
spies8dane (19:21:3): oh, right
spies8dane (19:21:9): hmmm
spies8owen (00:12:48): That actually sounds plausible.
spies8broderick (00:12:52): Was right after it
spies8broderick (00:13:20): I still have to read the entire log. Wasnt paying attention, fully
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spies8broderick (00:14:34):
spies8dane (19:16:21): she says kiara might be a spy
spies8broderick (19:16:23): She probably didnt expect Chance to post it publicly, and I was to verify if people thought he/her were lying
spies8dane (19:16:26): which actually makes sense
spies8dane (19:16:40): otherwise there is a lot more cit roles than we expected
spies8dane (19:16:44): *are
spies8broderick (00:14:45):
spies8stephanie (19:16:55): we?
spies8stephanie (19:17:3): who is we exactly dane?
spies8stephanie (19:17:11): the spies?
spies8dane (19:17:14): a lot of people talked about it in group chat fanny =
spies8dane (19:17:18): look it up
spies8broderick (00:14:57): That wording was a bit odd to me
spies8owen (00:15:27): Starting to read the chat now.
spies8broderick (00:15:35): lol. K
spies8owen (00:15:45): More cit roles than "we" expected. Oh wow, that is a really poor choice of words.
spies8owen (00:16:24): spies8chance 6:56 pm
nope.
we both had our roles from day one.
we were just made masons later.
gertie was the angel. i'm the devil.
spies8jenny 6:57 pm
Cute.
spies8owen (00:16:31): She doesn't seem to be doubting it.
spies8broderick (00:16:41): no
spies8owen (00:17:5): That was one of the only things that ever worried me about Tina. She believed it SO quickly.
spies8owen (00:17:17): Cory and I both needed a night to think it over.
spies8broderick (00:17:20): I'm not sold on Chance
spies8owen (00:17:47): I don't think Sam would tell them so many times that they are both citizens. That is a gamebreaker.
spies8owen (00:18:17): I don't think Sam would tell them so many times that they are both citizens if they're not*
spies8owen (00:18:57): They weren't allowed to tell us how they came together as masons, but Cory and I were pretty sure it had something to do with a bribe.
spies8broderick (00:19:35): Hmm
spies8broderick (00:19:47): He told them more than once?
spies8owen (00:21:24): They said it was stressed multiple times to them.
spies8owen (00:21:39): Not sure if it was at different times or the same message.
spies8broderick (00:22:2): Why would Kiara get her results so quickly after imprisonment?
spies8owen (00:22:40): Not sure. I'm not a psychologist.
spies8owen (00:23:16): Still reading up on the chat, Gert hasn't been imprisoned yet.
spies8broderick (00:23:22): it was aposted at :42. it was said in chat that awohali had lied @ :51
spies8broderick (00:23:28): Oh, where is that posted?
spies8owen (00:23:44): Episode 8 group chats. First post.
spies8owen (00:23:54): Chance talks about why he suspects me there.
spies8owen (00:24:0): Because I didn't die over Cory. Best reasoning ever.
spies8broderick (00:24:5): Are we looking at the same log?
spies8owen (00:24:31): I'd assume so.
spies8owen (00:24:40):
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=1347 ??
spies8broderick (00:24:42): Gertrude was imprisoned like 15 minutes before it was supposed to happen
spies8owen (00:25:9): Ahh, what the hell, Gert is still in the chat.
spies8broderick (00:25:9): Yeah. she was imprisoned like the first few lines. technically before that even happened
spies8broderick (00:25:21): Yeah. It was posted early. I gues no one new
spies8broderick (00:25:39): Imprisonment was posted @ :42, 18 minutes before schedule
spies8broderick (00:25:54): Claude said @ :51 that Kiard got a result
spies8broderick (00:26:3): Which is freaking mighty speedy of Sam to post a role result
spies8owen (00:26:20): That is really quick.
spies8owen (00:26:26): On another note, that really blows it was posted early.
spies8broderick (00:26:32): Yeah
spies8owen (00:26:34): People need all the time they can get to talk before going.
spies8broderick (00:26:56): It was really weird. I entered the chat, I think right after sending you that message. And that was being talking about. I was vry confused
spies8broderick (00:27:3): *talked
spies8broderick (00:27:16): I don't think there was an explanation about why it was early
spies8owen (00:28:12): lmao, I should probably read instead of skim. I completely missed the beginning part where she said Awo didn't have a role. It quickly switched into Chance saying that I have to be the spy from the secret group.
spies8broderick (00:28:37): lol yes. I called Chance a spy since Gertrude was probably sending him a message. Which made no sense
spies8broderick (00:28:46): Then he kind of got rude, and outed his role
spies8owen (00:29:46): spies8chance 6:51 pm
i'd much rather lynch owen.
spies8jenny 6:51 pm
Hi Kitty!
spies8chance 6:51 pm
gertie's imprisonment points right at him.
spies8owen (00:29:51): Legitimately made me lol.
spies8broderick (00:29:52): mmhmm
spies8owen (00:30:0): How in the hell?
spies8broderick (00:30:15): Dont ask me.
spies8broderick (00:30:26): Half of the logic Chance uses, does not make sense
spies8broderick (00:33:56): If they both became mason's because of a bribe, that doesn't really make sense
spies8owen (00:34:39): There's definitely something to it that they weren't allowed to tell us.
spies8broderick (00:35:18): Yes. But a bribe would imply that the spies knew about both of them. Just too convenient that two people whom have similar roles are both bribed to be masons
spies8broderick (00:35:28): Apparently Stephanie was on the right track
spies8owen (00:35:32): spies8cinnamyn 8:14 pm
whassup
spies8jenny 8:14 pm
Hi Spice!
Hali didn't have a role after all, according to Kitty.
This what you meant by "ontop"
spies8owen (00:35:33): ?
spies8broderick (00:36:36): Why idn't Chance make anyone immune from exile this round?
spies8broderick (00:36:43): Yes
spies8broderick (00:36:55): later when Lawrence signed on, she told him privately
spies8broderick (00:37:26): I can't remember who came in later, but she was more adament and confident when she was telling it
spies8broderick (00:38:32): Another thing that struck me as odd, when I was paying attention - was that Jenny would answer a lot of these role questions for Chance
spies8broderick (00:38:43): Seemed kind of like she knew, before hand. beforehand being tonight
spies8broderick (00:39:25): So chance didn't know about Cory being the doc?
spies8owen (00:39:41): Chance knew.
spies8broderick (00:39:56): but i don't see a reason for the spies to have picked cory over owen when NEITHER was immune.
spies8broderick (00:40:0): Chance said that
spies8owen (00:40:23): People that knew about doc to my knowledge in order: me, Tina, Chance/Gert, Mary, Claude, Kiara, Stephanie.
spies8owen (00:41:0): Chance can predict what the spies are thinking, apparently.
spies8broderick (00:41:2): hmm.
spies8broderick (00:41:26): Why would he say that. Kind of makes no sense. Unless he thought everyone who knew was a cit
spies8owen (00:41:48): I wanted Cory protected that round. I pretty much wanted out of the game at that time.
spies8owen (00:43:0): I think what a lot of people forget is that citizens that have been right have made it to the end before.
spies8broderick (00:43:0): He said neither of you were immune that episode
spies8owen (00:43:5): We weren't.
spies8owen (00:43:10): Apparently Gert forgot to use it.
spies8broderick (00:43:13): Yeah
spies8owen (00:43:24): But I had told her I didn't want it used on me that round.
spies8broderick (00:43:30): What I am getting at though - is why would he see no reason for the spies to choose cory over yourself, when Cory was the doc
spies8owen (00:43:47): I have no idea, I'm wondering similar things.
spies8owen (00:43:57): Like why I would all of a sudden kill Gert now after knowing for the longest time.
spies8owen (00:44:3): But apparently this points directly at me.
spies8broderick (00:44:23): spies8chance 7:06 pm
well, mary will be happy, at least.
she's been pushing me to claim for a while.
'you playing scummy is messing up people's spyhunting', blah blah blah.
spies8claude 7:06 pm
That is completely true.
But anyway.
spies8chance 7:06 pm
meh.
i did what i had to do.
spies8claude 7:06 pm
It's fortunate that this is the last Spies game.
spies8chance 7:06 pm
anyway.
spies8claude 7:07 pm
Because I'll never play another one after a role like yours was included.
spies8jenny 7:07 pm
*sigh*
spies8chance 7:07 pm
that's nice. moving on.
spies8broderick (00:44:29): lol. that makes me lol
spies8broderick (00:44:37): hard core it does
spies8owen (00:45:0): lmao, oh Claude. He was so pissed at Sam after he found out about the role.
spies8owen (00:45:6): "bastard modding"
spies8broderick (00:45:9): lol
spies8broderick (00:45:23): I was more laughing about Chance 'moving on' 'meh' anyway' blah blah blah
spies8broderick (00:45:27): 'did what i had to'
spies8broderick (00:45:42): I can't remember who siad it, Claude I think. That Chance was more concerned about his role that anything
spies8broderick (00:45:51): 'you playing scummy is messing up people's spyhunting', blah blah blah.
spies8broderick (00:46:3): Someone who is a citizen, should be concerned about that
spies8owen (00:46:13): I really don't think Chance was intentionally being scummy.
spies8owen (00:46:17): That's the best/worst part
spies8broderick (00:47:6): spies8chance 7:09 pm
so then, who's the lynch this time?
spies8owen (00:47:11): A lot of what Gert was doing was to avoid imprisonment.
spies8owen (00:47:17): I think Gert was a lot better than she was letting on.
spies8broderick (00:47:38): extremely annoying to me lol
spies8owen (00:47:51): Apparently I'm worth lynching over Jenny.
spies8owen (00:48:5): spies8chance 6:51 pm
i'd much rather lynch owen.
spies8broderick (00:48:5): I was and am pretty sure that she implied wrongly about her mafia history, but moot point noww
spies8broderick (00:48:11): lol yes
spies8broderick (00:48:36): spies8chance 7:09 pm
lynching jenny would shed light on the burg, but i don't want to lynch her just for information.
i'd very much like a jasmine lynch. awohali flipping citizen makes it extremely likely she's a spy.
spies8owen (00:48:43): If I get lynched over Jenny, I might pull a Broderick "ROFL" at every vote I get.
spies8broderick (00:48:54): I asked him to explain about Awohali making Jasmine a spy and he said 'go look it up' or something lol
spies8broderick (00:49:9): Laughing is healthy
spies8owen (00:49:12): Uhh, I don't see how that makes Jasmine a spy.
spies8owen (00:49:41): Don't see the connection.
spies8owen (00:49:58): Though, I'm unsure about Jas myself. Haven't talked to her at all in weeks.
spies8broderick (00:50:24): spies8chance 7:11 pm
jasmine's behavior towards awohali in episode 2 through 4 makes no sense at all if she's a citizen.
spies8claude 7:12 pm
I'm pretty sure you're not one to question anyone's behavior toward Awohali.
Like ever.
spies8broderick (00:50:25): rofl
spies8broderick (00:50:28): fuck
spies8broderick (00:50:40): every time i copy/paste it changes
spies8owen (00:50:53): Uhh... Chance suspected Awo.
spies8owen (00:50:55): For a while.
spies8broderick (00:51:9): Crappy reasons, I thought
spies8owen (00:51:16): I think he was working on a case for him since the post to get your vote back challenge.
spies8owen (00:51:17): >_>
spies8broderick (00:51:26): He posted it last episode
spies8broderick (00:51:33): It sucked
spies8broderick (00:51:55): Mary Pmed me the 'infant case'
spies8owen (00:52:20): Didn't think either case was against him was particularly good, but I felt pretty strongly gut-wise that he was scum.
spies8broderick (00:52:29):
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=1269spies8owen (00:52:31): Another reason Claude stuck on Chance was so we could see the wagon.
spies8broderick (00:52:32): Was Chance's
spies8owen (00:52:46): Unfortunately, that doesn't work too well when Chance is acting scummy as hell.
spies8broderick (00:53:0): Nope
spies8broderick (00:54:11): Later on in the chat, people just keep saying that Awohali was essntially a total idiot
spies8broderick (00:54:17): Which annoyed me to no end.
spies8broderick (00:54:31): Yeah I was not really paying attention, but no one seemed to give reasons why
spies8owen (00:54:54): Awo was smart. Didn't trust him, but I thought he was smart.
spies8broderick (00:55:12): spies8claude 7:21 pm
I'm really having a hard time believing that Awohali lied about having a role, knowing about Kiara's role.
spies8chance 7:22 pm
let's think.
spies8claude 7:22 pm
It was so, so obvious that we would just have Kiara check him.
spies8broderick (00:55:16): Excellent point by Claude
spies8owen (00:55:41): Great point.
spies8owen (00:55:49): Not that I really need to be convinced of it.
spies8owen (00:55:59): I don't see Awo screwing us like that.
spies8owen (00:56:3): Even on his way out, he stuck to it.
spies8broderick (00:58:4): Yeah. I think you, myself, Claude, and Mary are in agreement that I can think of
spies8broderick (00:58:32): His character, even up until the end did not support him running such a gambit or being spiteful
spies8broderick (00:58:42): Cinn agrees with him not being spiteful as well I think
spies8broderick (00:58:45): Any ways lol
spies8owen (00:59:55): Random: is it me, or does it feel like there's a lot of n00bs left?
spies8broderick (01:00:2): Not just you
spies8broderick (01:00:3): lol
spies8broderick (01:00:10): spies8chance 7:33 pm
also, by the way, for anyone who's wondering, no one is immune from exile this round because gertie was imprisoned, and i was protecting her again.
spies8broderick (01:00:16): There is the answer to that question I had
spies8owen (01:00:40): At least he didn't get a chance to protect Jenny.
spies8broderick (01:00:46): lol
spies8broderick (01:00:52): Why did he always go after her?
spies8owen (01:00:53): Oh lord, there's his ghost AIM.
spies8owen (01:01:5): To assure she didn't get votes and could save people.
spies8broderick (01:01:24): lol he must've blocked me.
spies8broderick (01:01:32): lol
spies8owen (01:01:43): Yep, he did.
spies8owen (01:02:8): I don't block anyone, I just won't respond. Oh right, you know that.
spies8broderick (01:02:22): lol
spies8broderick (01:02:26): I blocked Cinnamyn
spies8broderick (01:02:33): Well, I sent him a PM
spies8owen (01:02:43): Chance?
spies8broderick (01:02:44): He was being rude to me, so I told him to just get it out of his system
spies8broderick (01:02:47): Yes, CHance
spies8broderick (01:03:13): lol. Chance compared Awohali and Mags
spies8owen (01:03:25): I told Chance that it might actually be easier to communicate with you in PM for now. Worked for me.
spies8owen (01:03:28): ...
spies8owen (01:03:34): That is the worst comparison evre.
spies8broderick (01:03:39): lol
spies8broderick (01:03:48): It won't for PM's either.
spies8broderick (01:04:24): A few episodes ago I prodded him with a PM about something he said in chat. He wanted to be reminded of something to ask me. So I quoted it for him in a PM. He responded that he wanted to do it in chat, that he didn't do PMs
spies8owen (01:04:27): It worked for us. We're going to save this town together, even if you're an asshole.
spies8broderick (01:05:6): I noticed over the break that he never followed up on it, so I prodded him again. His response made me laugh
spies8owen (01:05:6): Hahaha, what a diva.
spies8owen (01:05:10): I don't do PM's, sorry
spies8broderick (01:05:28): lol. Asshole or not, I dont care any more.
spies8owen (01:05:38): I'm over it.
spies8broderick (01:05:47): Perceptions are relative, and continuing the sidetrack of that topic is not going to get the burg anywhere
spies8owen (01:05:50): Shit like that ruined the game for the town in Spies 7.
spies8owen (01:06:5): Not enough town players working together.
spies8broderick (01:06:20): It was one of the reasons I wanted Chance to just get it out.
spies8broderick (01:06:30): But any ways.
spies8broderick (01:08:41): so why would he lie?
spies8chance 7:44 pm
that would strike down half the remaining spies in one blow and i just don't think they'd risk that much.
to get jenny lynched, obviously.
i've definitely seen town players lie about having roles (and investigations in particular) in order to get someone they thought was a baddie lynched.
spies has a history of it, in fact.
spies8broderick 7:44 pm
Why would Awohali?
His character doesnt support that
spies8chance 7:45 pm
and when you're being lynched, character has a way of going out the window.
spies8broderick (01:08:58): I don't like how he has a seemingly vauge reason for everything
spies8owen (01:09:25): And why does he trust Kiara?
spies8broderick (01:09:34): I dont know
spies8owen (01:09:38): Ridiculous.
spies8broderick (01:09:47): I still dont understand why they revealed to Kiara soon after Zed's exile
spies8owen (01:09:52): I've defended him for 4 rounds, btw. Do you understand my stress?
spies8broderick (01:10:0): lol
spies8broderick (01:10:19): He quotes spies history to me, and uses it as a reason against awohali
spies8broderick (01:10:42): take iris/amelia for example to his stance that jenny was proabbly oging, so why would kiara spy try to save her
spies8broderick (01:10:43): lol
spies8owen (01:10:55): I trusted Gert mostly, so him by default.
spies8owen (01:11:3): Hmm, I didn't know he had that much knowledge of the series.
spies8owen (01:11:11): I'd expect him to not be as... uhh...
spies8owen (01:11:12): Scummy.
spies8broderick (01:11:26): I cant go down that road of discussion
spies8broderick (01:11:44): I can. I just dont want to
spies8broderick (01:11:45): lol
spies8broderick (01:12:29): I used a similar argument with Jenny, about spies history
spies8broderick (01:12:32): But any ways
spies8owen (01:12:52): That was one of my first reasons for suspecting her.
spies8broderick (01:12:54): She was defending Kiara, that he guessing the alignment would be redundant if she were a spy
spies8owen (01:12:59): Experience compared to her playstyle.
spies8broderick (01:13:8): She claims she has never played spies before
spies8broderick (01:13:13): But knows quite a bit of its history
spies8owen (01:13:18): Yet knows at least the past 3 seasons.
spies8owen (01:13:23): She compared Alexei to Callahan.
spies8broderick (01:13:35): But I pointed that I believe last season, a spy had an investigation
spies8broderick (01:13:41): she said that was not redundant
spies8broderick (01:15:30): spies8chance (18:19:6): kiara knew about gertie and i from just before the zedekiah exile on.
spies8broderick (01:15:34): I thought it was after
spies8owen (01:17:18): I thought it was after as well.
spies8owen (01:17:23): Checking logs.
spies8broderick (01:17:43): I'm looking as well. I thought he said she knew after in this group log he posted
spies8broderick (01:18:13): spies8chance (17:00:59): kiara found out right after her claim.
spies8broderick (01:18:25): Seems pretty quick to tell her
spies8owen (01:20:46): (1:44:38 AM) spies8chance: so do we bring kiara in here, or no?
(1:44:53 AM) spies8cory: Honestly I am beyond caring who knows about my role
(1:44:55 AM) spies8cory: Up to you two
(1:45:07 AM) spies8chance: gertrude?
(1:45:12 AM) spies8cory: If I have yet to clue a Spy in on my role I will be amazed
(1:45:14 AM) spies8chance: you're the one in the most danger, i think.
(1:45:17 AM) spies8chance: or the most valuable.
(1:45:42 AM) spies8chance: i think kiara's a citizen, so my vote is yes.
(1:45:52 AM) spies8gertrude: Tonight, is the night where I don't care about anything.
(1:45:57 AM) spies8gertrude: I may scream tomorrow, though.
(1:46:08 AM) spies8chance: alright.
(1:46:13 AM) spies8chance: i'll invite her, then.
(1:46:26 AM) spies8kiara entered the room.
spies8broderick (01:20:57): so was awohalis role real or fake
spies8jenny 8:26 pm
Fake according to Kitty.
spies8owen (01:20:59): I'll had to read up more, but I wasn't aware she knew anything when invited.
spies8broderick (01:21:26): lol
spies8owen (01:24:30): Found nothing to indicate she knew before that.
spies8owen (01:25:6): Nevermind.
spies8owen (01:25:7): (10:49:32 PM) spies8chance: heh, kiara thinks my role is a spy's.
spies8owen (01:25:24): Guess that checks out.
spies8owen (01:25:58): "Fake according to Kitty." If I was a cit, I'd know it's FAKE ACCORDING TO MYSELF>
spies8owen (01:26:11): Did she even heavily protest it?
spies8broderick (01:26:23): I dont believe so no
spies8owen (01:26:29): I don't recall any strong defense after it.
spies8broderick (01:26:33): I think she simply avoided addressing it
spies8broderick (01:26:49): I think someone asked her if she had anything to say, and Claude answered before she did
spies8broderick (01:26:58): Something to the affect of 'well what can she say'
spies8owen (01:27:5): If Jenny flips, Steph looks really good. 3 spies on the block round 4? Doubtful.
spies8owen (01:27:49): Though I don't get why they would pick Steph if they were hoping for a mislynch. I made it pretty clear that I thought Steph was town.
spies8broderick (01:27:50): I dont get how Gertrude couldn't immune herself, but Chance could immune himself
spies8owen (01:28:11): Never really thought of that.
spies8broderick (01:28:20): I half asked in the chat
spies8owen (01:28:25): Chance's role would suck if he couldn't protect himself though.
spies8owen (01:28:34): Gert's is still a good doctors role.
spies8owen (01:28:41): Or bodyguarc.
spies8broderick (01:29:26): I've been thinking Stephanie more citizen, because she chose Mags over Themba, and then Jenny over Awohali
spies8owen (01:29:43): The roles do make sense together. His role assures that hers will work.
spies8broderick (01:30:16): It would help believing, if he werent so freaking scummy
spies8owen (01:30:16): I've felt good about Lawrence since he picked Thembs over Magalie.
spies8broderick (01:30:26): That was the old Lawrence though
spies8owen (01:30:27): Magalie over Thems****
spies8broderick (01:30:33): The new one has my gut saying sort of spy
spies8owen (01:30:35): Have yet to talk to new Lawrence.
spies8owen (01:30:56): Do find it interesting that he was replaced and not Izzie'd.
spies8owen (01:31:1): Can't Izzie a spy.
spies8broderick (01:31:5): lol
spies8broderick (01:31:15): He was gone for quite awhile
spies8owen (01:31:26): Also find it interesting that Rondak was clearly a priority.
spies8owen (01:31:31): Or maybe he just found his replacement on his own.
spies8broderick (01:31:41): Dunno
spies8owen (01:32:1): Gotta think Sam would replace a spy first.
spies8owen (01:32:17): But like Kiara, not a psychologist.
spies8broderick (01:32:22): Maybe
spies8broderick (01:32:26): Definitely
spies8broderick (01:32:27): lol
spies8broderick (01:35:20): spies8dane: (10:10:31 PM) role claims out the wazoo
spies8dane: (10:10:37 PM) how many cits left?
spies8broderick (01:35:24): awww dane. lol
spies8owen (01:36:11): LOL. I honestly don't believe he's that clueless.
spies8broderick (01:36:24): spies8jenny: (10:11:13 PM) Well I know for sure the investigation is fake. Either the role was fake to begin with, or it was the most fail use of a role ever.
spies8broderick (01:36:33): I think the first time she actually says so
spies8owen (01:36:34): Uhh, no.
spies8owen (01:36:53): "Most fail role power ever."
spies8owen (01:36:55): No way.
spies8broderick (01:37:5): no lol
spies8broderick (01:37:21): Dane thought it was lylo with ten citizens : four spies
spies8owen (01:37:22): As a citizen, I wouldn't even bring that up as a possibility.
spies8owen (01:37:39): Poor Dane.
spies8owen (01:37:45): I think there's 4 mislynches left.
spies8owen (01:37:49): Though, Jenny did that math for me.
spies8owen (01:38:0): There's probably less.
spies8broderick (01:38:26): well sure
spies8broderick (01:38:35): shouldn't use all of those mislynches
spies8broderick (01:38:54): did that factor in imprisonments?
spies8owen (01:39:5): Of course not. Nailing them without any is ideal.
spies8owen (01:39:32): (4:38:56 AM) spies8broderick: did that factor in imprisonments?
spies8owen (01:39:33): Ask Jenny.
spies8broderick (01:40:17): lol
spies8broderick (01:41:21): Magalie -> Isaac (2) Cory and Mary
Magalie -> Jenny (2) Cinnamyn and Awohali
Magalie -> Steph (2) Jenny and Lawrence
Magalie -> Cladue (1) Chance
Magalie -> Rondak (1) Gertrude
spies8broderick (01:41:47): Don't understand how at least Hambone and Cinnamyn didnt understand that.
spies8broderick (01:42:0): Cinnamyn thought I was saying the Steph switchers were the most suspicious
spies8owen (01:43:20): Weren't you just updating the thread?
spies8broderick (01:43:30): Yeah
spies8broderick (01:43:53): I had Cory and Awohali crossed off - no longer here.
spies8broderick (01:43:57): Thought it was obvious
spies8owen (01:44:7): Not in this burg.
spies8owen (01:44:13): You must be implying that Lawrence is a spy.
spies8broderick (01:44:38): Why not Chance for switching to Cladue?
spies8broderick (01:44:41): Who is Cladue?
spies8owen (01:44:47): lmao
spies8owen (01:45:24): Might as well have voted no exile. Very scummy.
spies8owen (01:46:9): "What does that mean, Brody? "
spies8owen (01:46:25): Oh, Hammy. I actually have thought he was putting on the whole "Survivor player" thing, but it's seeming more likely.
spies8broderick (01:46:38): He isn't dumb
spies8owen (01:46:42): Definitely not.
spies8owen (01:46:53): He picked up on the game quickly.
spies8broderick (01:46:54): It could just be a play, but he isn't a noob entirely either.
spies8owen (01:47:25): With Rondak you could tell he was legimiately new, Hambone it's very questionable.
spies8owen (01:47:34): Because I know how difficult it is the first time around.
spies8broderick (01:49:40): Yeah.
spies8broderick (01:49:51): Did you see the part in the log with Kiara?
spies8broderick (01:50:44): spies8kiara: (11:07:30 PM) wait
spies8kiara: (11:07:51 PM) when the heck did i try to clear jenny? i said the result of my role, i never drew a single conclusion
spies8broderick: (11:08:07 PM) why not?
spies8kiara: (11:08:16 PM) spies8kiara 6:49 pm
(6:49:22 PM): omgomgomg
spies8claude 6:49 pm
(6:49:28 PM): ?
spies8kiara 6:49 pm
(6:49:41 PM): awohali lied!
spies8claude 6:49 pm
(6:49:49 PM): ...
spies8kiara 6:49 pm
(6:49:55 PM): awohali did not have a role
spies8claude 6:50 pm
(6:50:20 PM): Probably still going to lynch Jenny today.
spies8kiara 6:50 pm
(6:50:40 PM): oh i still think shes scummy as hell, but im shocked
spies8broderick (01:51:15): Shows she found out less than ten minutes after imprisonment was posted
spies8owen (01:51:19): Interesting.
spies8broderick (01:51:26): Which is super quick
spies8owen (01:51:36): Still think this could be so that she can still vote Jenny, but that it looks like there's 1 less cit role out there.
spies8owen (01:51:40): So that people aren't suspicious of hers.
spies8broderick (01:52:3): The stuff that follows that is odd
spies8broderick (01:52:16): I know I was kinda half paying attention at the time, butit was weird
spies8owen (01:54:18):
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=burg&thread=931&page=1#5041spies8owen (01:54:35): On Kiara -- I thought that could be to draw attention off of Isaac and onto Steph.
spies8broderick (01:54:46): spies8kiara: (11:15:57 PM) i do believe the results. i believe that he lied. just because he doesnt have the role doesnt mean jennys clean
spies8owen (01:56:4): Did she provide any reasons why she'd be voting Jenny otherwise?
spies8broderick (01:56:15): Mm dont think so.
spies8broderick (01:56:23): I can't recall her every really discussing Jenny.
spies8broderick (01:56:33): Though havent' spoken to her directly in awhile
spies8broderick (01:57:12): I believe the last time I talked to her, her suspects were kind of musical
spies8broderick (01:57:16): Before her claim
spies8owen (01:57:19): Only person I can recall her being suspicious of from our convos (recent ones, at least) is Dane.
spies8owen (01:57:28): Because of the WIFOM.
spies8broderick (01:59:4): tina rodnak magalie
spies8broderick (01:59:11): Is the last I know of directly
spies8broderick (02:00:42): She suspected Dane earlier in the game
spies8owen (02:03:9): (2:28:44 AM) spies8owen: I think the most the spies would do to me at this point would be subtly push me.
(2:29:02 AM) spies8owen: Like I think Brod/Awo are doing.
spies8owen (02:03:11): That was to Kiara last time we talked.
spies8owen (02:03:16): That could be how Cinnamyn got it.
spies8owen (02:03:21): Just something to keep in mind.
spies8broderick (02:03:23): Claude doesn't know Cory was the Doc?
spies8owen (02:03:28): He does.
spies8owen (02:03:39): Is he playing stupid?
spies8broderick (02:03:44): yes lol
spies8broderick (02:05:1): That reminds me
spies8owen (02:09:35): Of?
spies8broderick (02:09:59): lol sorry. To ask Mary something about Cinnamyn
spies8broderick (02:10:15): Who mary told about cinnamyn's suspects being zed, kiard, and jenny th enight of exile 6
spies8broderick (02:10:24): *kiara
