My Original Case on Jenny

[Nita]

My case on Jenny. This be why I tell her I a third party. She look like a spy after round 1.

Jenny defends Alexei:
[22:59] spies8alexei: and, once again, I appreciate your honesty.
[22:59] spies8alexei: has left the chat
[22:59] spies8themba: did he just admit to being a spy? or was that just me?
[22:59] spies8jenny: I don't think so.
[23:00] spies8jenny: I think he was just semi-depressed about possibly being the first gone.
[23:00] spies8jenny: I know I would be.

Defending Alexei from what Rondak put up:
[20:28] spies8jenny: I think I might be able to figure out an explanation there.
[20:28] spies8tina: Because he got confused between alignment and role?
[20:28] spies8jenny: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=180
[20:28] spies8rondak: No, he seemed to know a difference, hence him being online for the alignments but not the roles.
[20:29] spies8jenny: Sam made a distinction between them in that topic, and the roles weren't said to be done til the next day.
[20:29] spies8jenny: So that might have been what he was talking about.
[20:29] spies8rondak: But then he said he wasn't sure if roles even existed.
[20:30] spies8jenny: It sounds more like he's saying that Roles aren't the same as allegiences, although maybe they are called the same in Spies.
[20:30] spies8rondak: *nods* That's what he was saying.
[20:31] spies8rondak: It struck me as odd.
[20:34] spies8jenny: Might just be wording confusion, but if he comes on, we could ask about it.


Trying to help Alexei here?
[20:47] spies8alexei: I never said I still think Zed is a Spy
[20:47] spies8alexei: maybe read what I say
[20:47] spies8owen: But you have no problem still pushing him as a target?
[20:47] spies8tina: So you are voting him for what.
[20:47] spies8alexei: I'm not voting him
[20:47] spies8alexei: who said I was?
[20:48] spies8jenny: Then what do you mean by this?

[20:44] spies8tina: Are you sure? Also can you explain your suspects to start off?
[20:44] spies8alexei: Zed then Dane

[20:48] spies8tina: I thought you did a little bit ago. Zed or Dane
[20:48] spies8alexei: "then" is different than "or"
[20:48] spies8jenny: Sounds to me like you're saying Zed is your first suspect, followed by Dane.
[20:48] spies8tina: So who are you voting?
[20:49] spies8alexei: yes, Jenny has it right
[20:49] spies8alexei: Dane right now
[20:49] spies8hambone: why dane?
[20:49] spies8jenny: How can I have it right, and then you say it's Dane?
[20:49] spies8alexei: yes
[20:49] spies8tina: So Zed who you think is town is your SECOND vote.
[20:49] spies8alexei: It was Zed, but changed to Dane
[20:49] spies8alexei: I`m not sure
[20:50] spies8gabriel: alexei
[20:50] spies8gabriel: uh... ..........
[20:50] spies8alexei: what?
[20:50] spies8tina: How are you not sure. I know who my first and second picks are right now.
[20:50] spies8jenny: Oh that's what you meant. I thought you were saying your MAIN suspect was Zed, with your 2nd highest suspect being Dane.
[20:50] spies8alexei: I guess Zed would be my second vote as it stands right now

Then she is quiet for 50 minutes, doesn't ask anything, while the others are asking Alexei questions

[Nita]

Jenny no think Alexei is a Spy:

Episode 1 votes thread: (doesn't mention Zedekiah)
Jenny: I've already told most of you my vote on AIM, but I'm voting Zeddy too. Being missing right after roles went out is one thing, but that group chat was just ridiculously strange over what should have been a quick question about it.

When Tina y yo discuss Alexei in chat for the first time, Jenny no say nothin.

Here Jenny says she thinks Alexei could be a Spy "but wants to see more". Tina lists a lot. Jenny ignores all of it.

[20:11] spies8tina: Anyways though, with respect to what I have continually been bringing up on Alexei, what are your thoughts there? Is it just not as good as what you think of Zek? Do you think I am just way off track?
[20:11] spies8tina: I understand that you are not voting him, but I am not overly sure what you think of him and the case.
[20:13] spies8jenny: I think it's entirely possible Lexi could be a spy, but I'd like to see more from him before I decide what to do there. Which might not matter in a couple hours, but I'd rather see more of him first.
[20:14] spies8tina: So like on a 1-10 where 10 being sure thing and 1 being no chance.
[20:15] spies8jenny: Somewhere between a 3 and a 7. That's probably not very helpful, but I really don't know what to think of this guy right now. He seems to me to be coming off like someone in a previous game named Callahan, who just gave up when people put pressure on him the first day, and turned out to be a cit.
[20:16] spies8tina: He has not given up.
[20:16] spies8jenny: He sure sounded like he was giving up last night.
[20:16] spies8tina: He came back and we talked a whole lot later last night.
[20:16] spies8jenny: I guess that was after I left?
[20:16] spies8tina: Yes.
[20:16] spies8tina: At least I think so.
[20:17] spies8tina: That was when his suspicion changed to Steph from Dane.

(Point busted, so Jenny changes the subject. Tina still continues)

[20:17] spies8jenny: I wish more people were around right now. Most of our team is still out and we've only got a few hours.
[20:17] spies8tina: Also when more confusingness occured about Zek.
[20:18] spies8tina: He apparently told you in private he was convinced Zek was a spy very shortly before he posted something in public that he claimed ment he thought Zek was neutral.
[20:18] spies8tina: According to him he did not think Zek was a spy untill about 10-15 minutes after he told you that.
[20:18] spies8jenny: Yeah, that log you showed me earlier, right?
[20:18] spies8tina: Right.
[20:19] spies8tina: That is the kind of stuff that I can not get over.
[20:19] spies8tina: He explicity contridicts himself there.
[20:20] spies8tina: His thoughts on Zek seem to mostly follow what everyone elses were.
[20:21] spies8tina: During people ganging up on him, Zek was spy. The next day when at least a few vocal people had oppostie views, his changed.
[20:21] spies8tina: I just am back and forth here. There is so much that points to spy, but there are things that point the other way. I just do not think they quite outweigh the spy tells.
[20:22] spies8tina: I have no idea what to make of him not getting a case on Steph up.
[20:30] spies8owen: has joined the chat
[20:30] spies8owen: Good evening.
[20:30] spies8jenny: Hi Owen!

So Jenny had no problem asking Zedekiah questions. But she leaves Alexei alone and says "she wants to see more"??

[Nita]

Jenny didn’t consider voting for Alexei:
[16:21] spies8dane: jenny
[16:21] spies8dane: who is your temporary vote on, that you posted in your confessional
[16:22] spies8jenny: Oh, I put it on Zeddy for the time being.
[16:22] spies8dane: alright
[16:23] spies8Nita: Tina y yo are postin a case on Alexei
[16:23] spies8Nita: I put my parts up
[16:23] spies8dane: who is your biggest suspect after that?
[16:24] spies8jenny: After that, I'm not really sure yet. A lot of what else seems to have happened seems to really depend on what Zeddy is to say much to me.


[12:40] spies8jenny: I don't have a final vote yet, although if I had to pick, I'd probably go for Zeddy, just because that's the only thing that's been super strange to me at this point.


[17:16] spies8tina: So anyways. We have about 30 hours left. Who are you two voting right now?
[17:17] spies8jenny: I'm still on Zeddy for now, although when I see Lexi, I'm going to want to talk to him for a bit.
[17:17] spies8hambone: yeah
[17:17] spies8hambone: right now
[17:17] spies8hambone: if i had to vote its either gonna be on Z or A
[17:17] spies8jenny: I think the final vote is going to be between them today.


[22:46] spies8themba: Jenny, I'd like to hear your thoughts, if you wouldn't mind. Are you still planning on voting Zed?
[22:48] spies8jenny: Just saw your question, sorry. Yeah I'll probably stick with Zeddy for now (sorry Zeddy )
[22:49] spies8jenny: Day one just stinks sometimes.

[Nita]

Jenny targeted Zedekiah y we ain't seen her do this since:

Jenny be the first person to accuse anyone in the game:
[18:02] spies8jenny: Anybody have any thoughts about possible meanie spy people?
[18:03] spies8rondak: I have yet to meet much of the adventurers.
[18:03] spies8alexei: just got back from school and didn't get the chance to talk to anyone, so, no.
[18:03] spies8rondak: And yourself, lass?
[18:04] spies8jenny: Only thing that sticks out to me is that Zeddy told me two hours after the roles went out that he hadn't talked with anybody yet since getting roles.
[18:04] spies8alexei: that is rather interesting
[18:05] spies8jenny: He could have simply been busy at the time, but it's also possible he was talking with spy people and didn't really want to bring that up.
[18:05] spies8alexei: yeah


[00:11] spies8stephanie: jenny?
[00:11] spies8jenny: Yes?
[00:11] spies8stephanie: you were the one who started the whole zeke thing
[00:11] spies8stephanie: i'm just wondering what you are thinking now
[00:12] spies8themba: i second that
[00:12] spies8jenny: Well, I don't really know what to think with him at this point. He's probably going to be my vote for now just because it's still the most suspicious thing to me, but I really don't know what exactly to think of him at this point.


[00:19] spies8jenny: But that's the thing, if (Zedekiah's) a cit, there really shouldn't have been that much reason to panic.
[00:19] spies8stephanie: oh heck citizens panic all the time
[00:19] spies8themba: haha this is true.
[00:20] spies8jenny: Over not talking on AIM?
[00:20] spies8themba: over over-worrying about looking like a spy.
[00:20] spies8jenny: To the degree of

[21:51] spies8zedekiah: I knew didn't know how to log off cus a message popped up, but I was logged on cus I didn't log off

[00:20] spies8stephanie: over anything
[00:20] spies8themba: lmfaooo
[00:20] spies8themba: what does that mean?
[00:20] spies8jenny: I don't even know!


Jenny refer to past games all the time – like her analysis of my case usin Callahan – but she's never referred to a Citizen who make ridiculous mistakes?



[18:52] spies8jenny: Hi Zeddy!
[18:52] spies8zedekiah: Howdy Jenny
[18:55] spies8zedekiah: I've reached a moment o' clarity, I think I can call out some spies before tommarrows imprisionment
[18:55] spies8jenny: Who do you have in mind?
[18:57] spies8zedekiah: yes, I'd like to tlak with the folks I mentioned yesterday, but as some of y'all know I did a bit of research b'fore the exile, an I think themba is scum.
[18:57] spies8jenny: Why Themby?
[18:58] spies8zedekiah: I won't elaborate on this 'til I post a thread in the republican board t'night
[18:58] spies8zedekiah: still gotta talk t' her first
[18:59] spies8stephanie: has joined the chat
[18:59] spies8stephanie: hi
[19:00] spies8jenny: Zeddy is telling us about his suspects!
[19:00] spies8zedekiah: allan is suspect because of his stray vote, I want t' see more o him too
[19:00] spies8jenny: But didn't you have a stray vote also? I actually wanted to ask about that, why vote Allan over Lexi?
[19:02] spies8zedekiah: Well, I meant "stray" as in "why are ye hidin from your teammates when you have used the vote thread just a few days ago"
[19:04] spies8zedekiah: also my vote was on him 'cause he was submareenin up til then, when I did get t' chat with him it was 2 til vote lock deadline
[19:04] spies8zedekiah: minutes that is
[19:05] spies8tina: Ok. So if you had to vote someone right now who would it be?
[19:06] spies8zedekiah: you fer askin the same ol generic questions
[19:06] spies8jenny: And you still didn't really answer my question. What made you decide Allan was more suspicious then Lexi?
[19:06] spies8tina: For asking who you would vote for?
[19:07] spies8zedekiah: I told ya not five minutes ago I think themba is scum, what other reason could trump that?
[19:07] spies8tina: You mentioned Allan as well. Clarification is always a good thing.
[19:08] spies8zedekiah: fair nuff, need t' talk t' you in a bit too if ye don't mind
[19:09] spies8tina: Would you rather talk here or individually?
[19:09] spies8jenny: [19:06] spies8jenny: And you still didn't really answer my question. What made you decide Allan was more suspicious then Lexi?
[19:10] spies8zedekiah: @ jenny: I thought Alexei was moderately suspicous too, but I reckoned that I ought to stick to disproving one case at a time 'fore takin up another lead
[19:11] spies8stephanie: and yet you are now taking up a themba lead?
[19:11] spies8zedekiah: Like I said, I got t' tlak t' him
[19:11] spies8zedekiah: but it was too late to change votes
[19:12] spies8jenny: So you're saying you would have voted Lexi in the end, but the deadline already passed before you could switch?
[19:13] spies8zedekiah: hmmmm
[19:13] spies8zedekiah: well I need t' have time t' think o my vote
[19:13] spies8zedekiah: but he was more suspect than dane
[19:14] spies8zedekiah: an o course I dont' suspect myself
[19:30] spies8zedekiah: well, had a bit of a chat with tina, pretty interestin stuff
[19:32] spies8zedekiah: any of y'all discuss strategy with alexei recently?
[19:32] spies8jenny: Well he's kind of dead now.
[19:32] spies8zedekiah: .... >_> maybe 'round thursday?
[19:33] spies8zedekiah: to saturday
[19:33] spies8jenny: You looking for anything in particular?


[19:57] spies8zedekiah: spies8tina 5:16 pmI ...had talked to him during the point he was voting Dane, and he had told me he was changing to Steph and making a case there...
[19:57] spies8zedekiah: that was the conversation I had with her a bit ago
[19:57] spies8jenny: Ok..... and?
[19:58] spies8zedekiah: so that means he was tellin everyone a different suspect
[19:58] spies8zedekiah: but he never followed through
[19:58] spies8jenny: Ok, so what's your point??
[19:59] spies8zedekiah: uhhh
[20:00] spies8jenny: I'm serious, I'm not sure where you're going with this.
[20:01] spies8zedekiah: it was mostly to establish the type of contact alexei was making
[20:03] spies8zedekiah: well, I thought it would be important later....
[20:04] spies8zedekiah: I'm not sure
[20:04] spies8jenny: ...

[Nita]

Creating the propaganda:
[22:31] spies8jenny: Did you guys see Zeddy accuse Lexi of being a spy in the group chat I posted?
[22:31] spies8savannah: maybe i just wanted to slap the shit out of you
[22:31] spies8savannah:
[22:31] spies8themba: LMFAO
[22:32] spies8themba: gold
[22:32] spies8themba: Sav - 1. Dane - 0.
[22:32] spies8jenny: It was rather depressing.


[22:42] spies8hambone: has joined the chat
[22:42] spies8hambone: hey
[22:42] spies8jenny: Hi Hammy! We were just talking about how Zeddy just accused Lexi of being a spy, and how Savanny just realized what the Anagram Alliance meant.

[22:43] spies8gabriel: hey wait jenny
[22:43] spies8gabriel: seriouslY???
[22:43] spies8jenny: I mean, he just comes out and goes "EVERYONE I THINK I HAVE IT." And then he goes into this giant rant that pretty much just says Lexi is a spy. And we just go "... yes, very good Zeddy."
[22:43] spies8jenny: You were there!
[22:43] spies8jenny: RemembeR?
[22:44] spies8jenny: You fell asleep?
[22:44] spies8gabriel: i was asleep at the keyboard D:
[22:44] spies8jenny: He didn't say it in so many words, but he just talked about how suspicious Lexi was.

[Nita]

Enjoying drama creation

Why would a Citizen be laughing at this? A Spy would be happy that there was some drama

[00:01] spies8jenny: I need a drink though, my stomach started hurting from all the laughing I was doing.
[00:01] spies8hambone: u silly goose
[00:01] spies8stephanie: laughing?
[00:01] spies8stephanie: i wasn't laughing
[00:01] spies8stephanie: i was biting my nails
[00:01] spies8jenny: drama button, and no exile vote, and owen vote?
[00:01] spies8jenny: Yes, laughing

[Savannah]

What happened to you thinking she's a citizen? o.O

[Nita]

I claim to her because I think she a spy! This be the case I make on her in between rounds 1 y 2 (it en my round 2 confessional thread)

Now I think she really borin y maybe confusin that wit bein a cit.

Revisitin how she behave then y how she behave now, maybe I no think she a cit anymore.

[Savannah]

She's totally not a cit. . Cits. don't let all the votes fall on other cits. and then don't push for their suspects to go. Geez, some friend Jenny!

[Nita]

You right Savannah. It's clickin now.

I see Jenny step up two times en this game:
1. What I post above where she all anti-Zedekiah (compare how she ask him questions to how she say Alexei got some splainin to do but never ask him questions)

2. When she against Magalie here: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=burg&thread=770&page=1#3646

Look at this post: None of it be bout her interactions with Magalie. She list things other people tell her bout Magalie y the dumb thing bout Magalie missin the round 3 challenges. Ain't nothin here to really say "Jenny be lookin for spies"


Except for these 2 instances, every time you talk to Jenny her suspects be basically just a list of who she ain't talk to recently. They ain't even suspects. They be people she say "I don't know, I need to see more". It happen again this round:

spies8kiara: in the chat, jenny rattled off like 8 suspects, all of whom she had weak reasons for. yet she said she had a neutral read on me, but was nominating me over one of her 'suspects' to give owen more voting options. i call bunk
spies8kiara: awohali, correct me if im lying
spies8hambone: jenny actually listed suspects?
spies8hambone: u mean she didnt tell u who was a citizen instead?
spies8stephanie: and didn't even just show us a picture
Spies8Awohali: No, Jenny listed people that she wonders why they're not around.

The conversation Awohali refer to begin wit this line en the group chat 6 thread:
Spies8Awohali: So, Jenny, you are looking at Kiara, Zedekiah, and Chance as the three options this round, as well?


So she capable of steppin up, but she only do it this game twice: When tryin to save Alexei y when bussin Magalie. The rest of the time she hidin y playin dumb. That be what I thinkin.

Then you got what Savannah be talkin bout. If Jenny no suspect Savannah, why Jenny not push for other suspects?

Jenny es a spy.

[Tina]

I agree with this. After the Isaac exile, no one suspected Jenny for no apparent reason, no one ever explained that phenominon. With Zek flipping town she almost has to be a spy here.

Hopefully Mary does something about it since she suspects Jenny fairly heavily. I know a few others do too but apparently were turned off by Isaac getting the boot over her and flipping spy.

[Gabriel]

Also, I think you claiming third party to her got you imped even faster. Think about it. What's the usual reaction of the town to third party? Any third party.

So I figured the spies thought your role getting out there would get the heat off of some of them (Isaac, Mags). That... obviously didn't work too well. XD

[Jenny]

Like I told you before when you frist claimed to me, I wouldn't have had any problem with you posting this in the burg. I'd have been glad to talk about it. If you want, I can even go over it here.