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Post by Hambone on Jun 30, 2010 1:02:11 GMT -6
Just realized we don't have one of these threads yet, so I'll go ahead and make it. Place your votes in here before the exile so there aren't any surprise votes.
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Post by Awohali on Jun 30, 2010 11:57:32 GMT -6
My vote will be on one of the following, unless something huge should happen:
Magalie - She is absolutely unhelpful to our team. She never is online very long, she has yet to give solid reasoning for suspicions. When she does give reasoning for suspicion, they are usually either completely senseless or copied from someone else. She has not, to my knowledge, questioned people to ascertain better suspicions.
She is also directly detrimental to our team. Last night, she missed the first challenge after saying she would reboot her computer right before it began. 2 hours later, she said she had just finished rebooting. But what was truly harmful, was during the final challenge, in which she received her assignment on what to work on, and then logged off without doing anything. Because she had been given an assignment, those 5 flags were presumably being worked on already, so we did not have anyone else paying focus to them. That very well could have cost us the challenge victory.
She is suspicious in the way that she behaves, but primarily, I see her as dead weight who has demonstrated that she will not improve her game play as the game advances. The longer she is around, the more detrimental she becomes.
Jenny - Jenny behaved very oddly concerning role claiming for Allan in the last episode. She role claimed with an hour left at a time in which Allan did not even have the most votes, while citing the unknown votes, 3/5 of which were Allan himself, herself, and the other person that knew Allan had a role already.
She also apparently miscounted the votes, took Savannah's word for who was voting for who rather than checking for herself. I find this all to be very odd indeed. She has also done helpful things, and is active and reasonable. Time will tell if that is enough reason to overturn the very odd events of last episode.
Claude - Claude has been very forceful in how he tries to push his suspects to be the ones voted out by means other than just a good case. He will say "I am certain, and if I'm wrong, you may Exile me next.". When he is then wrong, he role claims at the beginning of round 2, which seems like something a Citizen would have absolutely no need to do so early in an episode, before even testing the waters to see who would join a case against him. (Savannah and Allan being two examples of people with roles that did not claim them absurdly early, even under fire)
He has tried to assert that either himself or Chance must go, and it is seeming that he will be turning every one of his suspects into a "me or them" mentality, since he has done so with Camilla and Chance already.
The final reason I am considering voting Claude, is the inconsistency in his words regarding how he made his claim.
First, when I questioned why he made it so early, he said that it was a logical, calculated decision. Later, he admitted that he was in an emotional state when he did it, which also against his words of the first episode in which he talked about he citizens should never be emotional for any reason and that he did not play with emotion in these games.
I am currently undecided, but I plan to vote for one of those three.
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Post by Allan on Jun 30, 2010 12:58:28 GMT -6
I have decided that I will be voting for someone (as opposed to our discussion of a no exile) but I'm not sure who yet.
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Post by Jenny on Jun 30, 2010 13:37:43 GMT -6
I usually prefer to discuss my suspicions with people on AIM, but since this vote is going to come down to the Republicans in the end, and we can't talk with them personally to debate suspicions with, I'll go ahead and post my thoughts here so they can see it.
Currently I am planning on voting Maggie, because I've yet to see her do much of anything at all since coming to this team. And what little I have gotten to see hasn't helped make things better either.
When I asked several original democrats about Maggie, everyone had the same thing to say of her. That she was almost never on, and that if you disagreed with her on something, she'd try to bite your head off rather then talk about it. I originally thought that was just people overexaggerating and wanting to vent a little bit to someone that was wililng to listen.
And then days pass before I even see her. First I hear about her is Spice telling me that Maggie just told her Stephi-kins was her top suspect. And then when told that Stephi wasn't on the same team, goes on a small rant about "Why did Ni-Ni bring it up in the first place then?"
The first time I actually really saw her was yesterday. She apologized about missing the challenge on Monday saying things had come up that she wasn't expecting, and was surprised to hear there was more to the challenge in just an hour or so.
A few minutes into the first challenge with the spies players math problem, she says she has to reboot her computer. 2 hours later we've somehow managed to figure out the map coordinates enough to finish the leg, and she comes back on. And then when the final leg starts, she leaves 5 minutes into it again, and I don't recall seeing her for the rest of the night.
In between the two legs, we have a short chat where she asks me about why Ni-Ni was saying that Maggie talked to me about Stephi, and I explain the misunderstanding there. So far that's the only real chat we've had since opening day.
Maybe she's having the ultimate bad luck with life keeping her from the game right now, but we're almost two weeks into the game now, and nobody seems to be noticing her doing much of anything at all in the game.
The other thing that comes to mind for me, although I should make a disclaimer that this is a bit more hypothetical then the rest, and might mean nothing after all. With this ultimate power reward from the challenge, it's possible that the spies wanted to make sure the side that had more spies players on the team won the challenge to give them a better shot at getting the power, along with possibly making one or both of the imprisonment protections worthless. A lot of people in the democrats right now get the feeling that the spies are in control of the Republican vote in general, and if the spies felt the same way, it's possible that Maggie was purposely showing up just enough to not get penalized and then vanish to help make sure the "right" side won.
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Post by Awohali on Jun 30, 2010 15:24:49 GMT -6
[quote author=jenny board=dems thread=665 post=3646 time=1277926663]A lot of people in the democrats right now get the feeling that the spies are in control of the Republican vote in general, and if the spies felt the same way, it's possible that Maggie was purposely showing up just enough to not get penalized and then vanish to help make sure the "right" side won.[/quote]
I question how true this bold part really is. It seems to me that Claude held that belief, and that Nita sort of agreed with him after he said so. I am not sure if I recall anyone else stating that they believed the Republicans have more Spies than the Democrats.
Personally, I do not believe that they are any more likely to have more Spies than we do.
The second part is entirely feasible, though, although the "right" side could be the "right" side for reasons other than there being more Spies over there. The Spies over there might simply be in a better position, for example.
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Post by Nita on Jun 30, 2010 15:30:14 GMT -6
I ain't agreein with that Awohali. I said we got no way of knowin.
[23:09] spies8claude: I think it is very likely that their side has 4+ spies. [23:09] spies8cinnamyn: i wud have 2, but it wud cum secund 2 my team [23:09] spies8jenny: I'd want to look at both so that we'd have an informed decision. [23:09] spies8Nita: Claude we got no way of knowin that
[23:32] spies8claude: I feel like Spies were in control of the repubs yesterday. [23:32] spies8claude: And still are. [23:32] spies8Nita: Claude, we ain't got no way of knowin what's even goin on there [23:33] spies8Nita: Why you sayin that? Also you gettin us off topic
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Post by Claude on Jun 30, 2010 18:22:17 GMT -6
I really felt like it was a good idea. Like one of those ideas where people just say 'Wow, why didn't I think of that'. But apparently that wasn't the case..I don't know. Maybe I was just overthinking it or something. Mostly, I feel like the majority of the Spies are probably on the Republican side. I have never talked to half of those people, but I'm more suspicious of them(Tina, Stephanie, Themba) than I am of most of the Democrats. Plus Isaac is on that side also.
Anyway. I'll be voting for Chance.
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Post by Hambone on Jun 30, 2010 19:54:42 GMT -6
I basically 110% agree with everything Awohali is saying. I still haven't even really met Chance or Magalie. And you can add Jenny to the list because of my case on her and the Allan roleclaim she did. And throw in Claude as well. Basically, what Awohali said. Me and him discussed this a couple days ago, and we have very similar thoughts on our suspects.
(Note: sorry I haven't been online lately... Lots of work, but I should be at exile whenever that is, anddd maybe online late late tonight possibly)
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Post by Cinnamyn on Jun 30, 2010 23:22:35 GMT -6
im gunna b gone all day 2morro at da beach (yea, i no i cant swim or get tan, allan, but imma get my vitamin d) so im votin rite now.
im votin 4 magalie. not bcuz shez detrimental or bcuz of her challenge performance, tho it wuz pritty pitiful. bcuz frum da lil game talk i can drag out of her, all of it iz suspishis.
a while bak, i aksed her who her suspishinz wuz:
pies8cinnamyn: (11:03:56 PM)so magalie who do u suspect.? spies8magalie: (11:04:22 PM)I suspect you steph spies8cinnamyn: (11:04:38 PM)grl whatchu talkin' bout.? spies8magalie: (11:05:04 PM)I suspect steph as a spy spies8magalie: (11:05:06 PM)duhh spies8cinnamyn: (11:05:11 PM)she aint in our group
1 - im not steph, lmbo. steph and i ackshully luk quite a bit difrent. 2 - dis suspishin wuz directly a mirror of nitaz suspishin, frum whom magalie wuz talkin' wit at da same tyme. after i told her stephanie wuznt in our grup, i aksed her again.
spies8cinnamyn: (11:10:19 PM)who do u think b a spy.? spies8magalie: (11:10:41 PM)Nita spies8cinnamyn: (11:11:05 PM)y.? spies8magalie: (11:12:16 PM)well I have not only been on a team with her for a day and she came up to me and attacked me with stuff about her team
magalie gave me a transcript of her n' nita talkin', n' nita didnt attack her. she also posted it in da grup chat if u wanna luk at it. nita clearly layz out her suspishins of stephanie. she didnt attack stephanie, let alone magalie. so magalie suspected stephanie right after nita told her about how stephanie wuz so suspishis, n' den said she suspected nita cuz she wuz attackin' her, which wuz false.
tha timeline goez lyke dis: 1 - magalie aks nita who she suspects 2 - nita says stephanie, and explainz 3 - i ask magalie who she suspects 4 - magalie says stephanie 5 - i say stephanie aint on our team 6 - magalie turns to then suspecting nita, 4 attackin' her
so in essence, both of her reazinz 4 suspectin' stephanie n' nita were bunk and hold no water wutsoever.
she now suspectz claude. y.? i cudnt tell u, lmbo.
tha followin' r seckshinz frum da grup chat earlier tonite:
spies8cinnamyn: (12:31:14 AM) i jus' dont get y wen i asked magalie who she suspected, her furst answer wuz spies8cinnamyn: (12:31:17 AM) da 1 nita jus' gave spies8cinnamyn: (12:31:21 AM) whether she wuz on our team or not spies8cinnamyn: (12:31:30 AM) dat dont really matter spies8magalie: (12:31:36 AM) I didnt say that cinn
but she did say dat, n' i have da logz 2 prove it. then it bcame:
spies8magalie: (12:33:13 AM) I dont remember saying that
so furst she didnt say it, den she jus' didnt remember after i provided da logz where she did in fact say it.
spies8magalie: (12:34:06 AM) I said that after I asked her who she fos spies8claude: (12:34:19 AM) I mean..really? You thought Nita was a Spy? spies8magalie: (12:34:25 AM) and you told me that steph was not on our team spies8cinnamyn: (12:34:38 AM) da part u jus' posted in here spies8magalie: (12:34:42 AM) I didnt really mean it
wen she sed dat she suspected nita, she jus' didnt really mean it.
spies8magalie: (12:36:18 AM) I used the wrong words
it wus jus' a matter of wording.
after bein' aksed 'bout da weird wording she gave wit' gertie, all of her answerz were exactly wut a spy wud think, she jus sed dem outloud, 4 sum reazin.
spies8magalie: (12:37:51 AM) sorry please excuse the last post but what I meant that gertie was an honest cit because I felt that I have just voted for like someone who was a known cit and didnt know what to say at time
spies8magalie: (12:39:37 AM) I wanted to get everyone off my back
spies8magalie: (12:40:18 AM) I didnt want to look at gertrude spies8magalie: (12:40:40 AM) because I would get this topic come up
spies8magalie: (12:43:54 AM) no I complete left the gertrude thing alone because if I were to FOS her when everyone already FOS her I dont want to seem bandwagonish
spies8magalie: (12:44:42 AM) I voted for her so that it buys me some more time
yup..speaks 4 itself.
i also think a jenny vote wud b a good choice cuz of her dealin' wit allanz role. she wuznt proactive about savin' him, didnt team up wit nita 2 save him so dey didnt have 2 out hiz role, thot themba, allan, n' savannah wuz all citizens but didnt push anotha person 2 go, wen she did claim 4 allan let all da votez transfer on 2 savannah rather den pushin 4 her suspect, stephanie. she didnt chek da votez b4 claimin. she iz passive about spyhuntin'. dont seem 2 b lukin' real hard.
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Post by Allan on Jul 1, 2010 0:06:20 GMT -6
I think I'll prolly be voting for Chance or Claude this time. Might as well see the alignment of one.
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Post by Hambone on Jul 1, 2010 1:40:42 GMT -6
I won't be around much at all tomorrow... working all day. I've still not had a 1 on 1 with Chance or Magalie.
So I'm probably voting for Jenny. Rather, I am voting for Jenny. I wanted to rewrite my whole case on her but I don't have time right now. If you have questions about it just ask AWOHALLLLLIIIIIIIIIII, I told him the whole thing with much detail. I'll hopefully see you all tomorrow night, maybe around 10 or something I'll get home.
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Post by Nita on Jul 1, 2010 10:10:19 GMT -6
This gonna be controversial but I decide my vote y I'm stickin to it. I'm votin no exile. Normally this ain't my thing but this be a special case y I splain why. Two nights ago we Democrats talk in the chat bout who we gonna nominate. Before that talk I thinkin bout nominatin Magalie. Magalie, she lyin y she contradictin y she lazy. All the good reasons detailed above by Awohali y Jenny y Cinnamyn. She also gonna be a huge distraction all game cause so long as she here she gonna be the easy option. But there a problem: spies8jasmine (22:54:16): I feel like Sam gave us to much shti to do, im so pissed. -_- spies8jasmine (22:54:37): ultimate power vote, three peoples names for immunity, exile vote, list in case we dont make it to the live exile and cant vote between those two picks These Republicans, they winnin y complainin bout it! Too much work? Too bad. Great power, great responsibility, you know how that go. So while I thinkin Magalie the best option I no can make nobody do nothin. I read the public chat from last night y just 1.5 people expressin any opinion on Magalie at all, despite 3 posts from Democrats clearly spellin out why she suspicious:Jasmine say she ain't gonna exile Magalie spies8jasmine (22:58:37): The more I look at it though, the more it looks to be Magalie spies8jasmine (22:58:41): and if Magalie is the one up there spies8jasmine (22:58:45): I think it's going to be BS to exile her. spies8jasmine (22:58:57): deranged citizen, is wat she screams out to be..for me anyways. spies8jasmine (22:59:8): she wasnt around spies8jasmine (22:59:16): but when she was, she was yelling spies8jasmine (22:59:19): always in character spies8jasmine (22:59:24): i think she was just citizen, bored as hell
(BTW Jasmine I think what you say es dumb - wit all these people to meet y things to do how anyone be bored? You makin excuses for her?) Tina say Lawrence interested in exilin Magalie. How true es this? I no know because Lawrence no there to say "si" o "no". But the Republicans suspect him, so nobody care bout what he think anyway: spies8stephanie (10:51:38 PM): i only talked to larry for like 2 minutes spies8stephanie (10:51:49 PM): and i immediately thought he was spy spies8tina (10:52:06 PM): He is odd. spies8tina (10:52:17 PM): Suspicions are canned and just the popular ones. spies8tina (10:52:31 PM): Apparently he is very interested in exiling Magalie though. The Republicans ain't payin attention to what the case es on Magalie, so they ain't gonna make a good decision on her. I'm guessin this applies to everyone else the Democrats thinkin of nominatin (Chance, Claude, Jenny) because I no see major discussion from the Republicans on them either. So what be the point of givin the Republicans a votin target they know nothin bout y don't care enough to learn? I think it only give people a lazy option. So I votin no exile because if we no provide an alternative the Republicans gotta focus on what's en front of them wit no distractions.
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Post by Nita on Jul 1, 2010 10:28:48 GMT -6
Current tally:
Propuestas (nominations):
Cinnamyn - Magalie Claude - Chance Hambone - Jenny Jenny - Magalie Nita - No exile
indeciso:
Allan Awohali Chance Cory Gertrude Magalie Mary Rondak
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Post by Mary on Jul 1, 2010 10:58:56 GMT -6
The Republicans ain't payin attention to what the case es on Magalie, so they ain't gonna make a good decision on her. I'm guessin this applies to everyone else the Democrats thinkin of nominatin (Chance, Claude, Jenny) because I no see major discussion from the Republicans on them either. So what be the point of givin the Republicans a votin target they know nothin bout y don't care enough to learn? I think it only give people a lazy option. So I votin no exile because if we no provide an alternative the Republicans gotta focus on what's en front of them wit no distractions. Here's the best description I've seen of tonight's process: Votes will be collected from within each team, and the person with the highest votes from each team will be nominated. The winning team will then immediately vote at live Exile to determine which of the two players is ultimately eliminated. The other player will remain in the game. I am trying to reach Sam to find out how much time the Republicans will have to decide at live Exile, and whether there will be a formal process for making and comparing cases and whether there will be time provided. Since Sam says "immediately", I think it's best to assume the Republicans will have no additional time to prepare, and that we will need to make our cases strong and brief for the Republicans to review in the few moments Sam gives them to decide.
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Post by Mary on Jul 1, 2010 11:08:52 GMT -6
Oh, and my vote is on Magalie this episode, for lying about and denying her stated suspicions. I don't see much Cit logic behind her only current stated suspicion--Claude, or one of her retracted suspicions, Nita. Her other retracted suspicion, Stephanie, looks pure wagon. She admitted to lying previously about suspecting Gertrude to "get us off her back".
I'm also tempted to agree with Claude's assessment that she's been coached in some things to say but isn't fully able to express the concepts she's been fed, but that's more a gut read based on her odd use of language--it's difficult to prove and possibly not the fairest of accusations to make.
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Post by Awohali on Jul 1, 2010 11:15:16 GMT -6
on her odd use of language- "FOS", anyone?
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Post by Claude on Jul 1, 2010 11:21:13 GMT -6
FoS isn't odd use of language; it stands for Finger of Suspicion. It is a common mafia term. I'm curious where she picked it up though, considering that I haven't seen anyone else use it, and she claims to be a newbie.
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Post by Hambone on Jul 1, 2010 11:34:37 GMT -6
Nita, what are you doing talking to Jasmine? (or is that from a chat log of the other tribes?) EDIT: going to work now, bbl
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Post by Awohali on Jul 1, 2010 11:43:56 GMT -6
FoS isn't odd use of language; it stands for Finger of Suspicion. It is a common mafia term. I'm curious where she picked it up though, considering that I haven't seen anyone else use it, and she claims to be a newbie. I know this, I am merely reflecting on how often she used it last night, when I can not recall her having used it in the past at all.
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Post by Nita on Jul 1, 2010 11:50:14 GMT -6
Es from their chat log Hambone.
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Post by Allan on Jul 1, 2010 13:32:02 GMT -6
I'm gonna cast my vote for Mags. It's mostly because I don't want to lose Jenny. If Mags isn't going to be helpful I guess we can put her up for nomination.
Current tally:
Votes: Cinnamyn - Magalie Claude - Chance Hambone - Jenny Jenny - Magalie Nita - No exile Mary - Magalie Allan - Magalie
TBD: Awohali Chance Cory Gertrude Magalie Rondak
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Post by Chance on Jul 1, 2010 15:15:54 GMT -6
i think i'm nominating mags at this point. could go for rondak, but i don't think that will make much difference.
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Post by Cory on Jul 1, 2010 16:56:03 GMT -6
Magalie.
The other player I was strongly considering is Jenny, and I've talked this over with most of you, so no need to repeat my reasons here.
For Magalie, she has indeed been useless. She is not looking for Spies, and the few legitimate suspicions she has(exile 2 vote list & Claude) are flimsy and incoherent. Yet she's around, so I question what she has done with her time in the game, as she admitted last night that Claude is the only person she is suspicious of. I wasn't aware of her dropping the ball on the challenge until Awohali mentioned it in the other thread, but it's not surprising.
People who I feel are playing similarly are Allan and Rondak. I spoke with Rondak last night, so I'll keep an eye on him. Allan I just haven't seen around a whole lot.
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Post by Gertrude on Jul 1, 2010 17:58:02 GMT -6
Here goes another one of my incredibly suspicious votes, but I'm going to have to vote for Magalie tonight.
In addition to being unhelpful, only semi-active, and belligerent, she has now proven herself to be a liar. The culmination of these things cannot be overlooked any longer. If she's nominated tonight and not Exiled, she hopefully will take this as a wake up call and get her act together. If she's not even nominated, then yay, I finally didn't vote in the majority.
I apologize again for my unusual absences. I should have a stable internet connection (on my own computer!) within the next 24 hours.
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