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Post by Samson on Jul 2, 2010 6:13:07 GMT -6
I hate hearing citizens say "if Vladimir/Cinnamyn/Jason is a spy then we are fucked".
That should raise ALARM bells for citizens and they should work on getting that player out. Instead players continue to follow these players and say "LOL it WOULD be so funny if they were a spy".
Having said that, I don't believe Cinnamyn is gonna last much longer as being unsuspected.
The TRUE dangerous players are the ones who you think just COULDN'T be a spy. These players are different - Kathie, Hambone etc.
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Post by axman on Jul 2, 2010 7:45:09 GMT -6
Agreed. I'm a bit guilty of that. Hambone could very well be the most dangerous spy in the game outside of Mary. If any spies go on to win it, it'll be those two, though I enjoy Cinnamyn and want to see her go far.
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Post by Apollo on Jul 2, 2010 8:48:35 GMT -6
What I really like about this spy group is that they have a wide vartiey of personalities/startegies to fit in multiple groups. So while people will zone in on Cinnamyn later on, which I agree with both of you that they will, while they do that their attention will not be on Mary and Hambone and whoever else is left.
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Post by Judge Sam on Jul 2, 2010 14:31:23 GMT -6
I feel like this might have more of a chance happening than before.
HOWEVER, it is a very long road from "Person X is trusted and hasn't been Imprisoned yet" to "Get a majority of votes to Exile them." It's all good and nice to just say that Person X should be Imprisoned but hasn't, and a whole other thing entirely to convince a plurality of people to cast their Exile vote towards them this round.
Plus this does sometimes happen with citizens, such as Kirsten. <3
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Post by Sisqo on Jul 2, 2010 15:33:16 GMT -6
Agreed. I'm a bit guilty of that. Hambone could very well be the most dangerous spy in the game outside of Mary. If any spies go on to win it, it'll be those two, though I enjoy Cinnamyn and want to see her go far. While I love Mary / Henry / Singe / Todd, I think Hambone is a bigger threat, at least on current evidence, than Mary is. Otherwise I agree completely with this. |
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Post by Samson on Jul 2, 2010 21:19:10 GMT -6
Mary threads a line. She knows how to be the COULDNT be a spy type player, and this is helped by the initial suspicions on her.
HOWEVER, her bossiness towards spies seems to transcend to her manner in chat rooms even if she isn't breaking character. This leads to an aura of guiding citizens down bad paths, which makes her the Vladimir/Cinn type spy (aka the "LOL if they are a spy" type).
However, Mary will outlast Cinn.
Hambone just guided citizens down a bad path with the Themba exile. However, Hambone isn't doing it in the power citizen way - he does it in "oh shucks" or "oh but" kind of way, and people just assume that there is no way he could be a spy because of how he acts in general.
This is total blabber, but I know it makes sense.
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Post by Samson on Jul 5, 2010 19:47:30 GMT -6
Its so frustrating to watch. I hate when people build up a list of suspects but not one of the suspects could be passed off as being a sort of leader of the spies.
Logically, even if the 7 least bossy or least leadery players in the game were the spies - ONE would assume at least A) a leader role which transcends to their citizen persona or B) a frustrated persona.
I know this sounds like babble but it is so true, AT LEAST ONE POWER PLAYER IS GOING TO BE A SPY.
Putting Zed, Rondak, Allan, Jenny, Stephanie and Lilith as your suspects does not make sense - they would not have orchestrated 3 citizen exiles in a row.
Every game it happens --> just list out all the power players (Tina, Owen, Cinnamyn, Awohali, Mary), then work from there.
Spies 7 - Vladimir/Andreas, Spies 6 - Jason, Spies 5 - Angus, Samantha, Spies 4 - Zander, Beverly, Spies 3 - a lot, Spies 2 - Tyson, Spies 1 - Julian.
Take out the CORE of the spies and the rest will fall about the place.
I firmly believe in the epicscum theory. Oh Sam if only I could be a spy just one more time, I wouldn't mess it up I swear ... ... ... ... ... . Or if only I didn't totally mess up my Vladimir exile plans.
At least the Losers Lounge seems to suspect Cinnamyn ... .
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Post by tonisha on Jul 5, 2010 20:26:05 GMT -6
I think you just listed them based on how far they got in the game (save Beverly), not how "epic" they really are.
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Post by Sisqo on Jul 6, 2010 3:16:15 GMT -6
I agree completely with both of you. Samson, your main point makes a lot of sense, but I gotta say: Andreas, Samantha, Beverly, Julian? Really?
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Post by Samson on Jul 6, 2010 7:33:09 GMT -6
Okay maybe Beverly is an example of a power player that people figured out, or at least Candy did. But remember EVEN WHEN Bev was investigated, revealed to be a spy - half the players didn't want to vote her out!
I always was of the unpopular opinion that Beverly's strategy actuallly didn't make sense as a spy, it was just fun to watch. (My strategy as Subhi didn't make sense rather it was fun to play as). However, people blindly followed the loud, extravagant, opionated Beverly blindly ... for 5 rounds.
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Post by Apollo on Jul 6, 2010 8:42:43 GMT -6
I think a big part of it is not so much they are 'power players' and people don't want to go against them for that reason, but the fact they are strong social players, who everyone enjoys being around. Pretty much all the spies listed lasted a long time because they were likable and people enjoyed being around them (among other game reasons of course). It's just simple nature that you're not going to want to vote against someone you sincerely enjoying chatting with in the game. And for the record sometimes it's bad to go after the big names when no one else is because you'll soon be imprisoned. Aka me going after Angus  |
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Post by Judge Sam on Jul 6, 2010 9:16:57 GMT -6
I think going against power players like you listed is an interesting strategy. But remember there are power player citizens too, lots of them lol. And maybe only one or two power player spies. If you just start exiling the power players you're going to kick out a lot of really good citizens in the process and probably lose b/c you're not kicking out enough spies at the same time.
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Post by Sisqo on Jul 6, 2010 13:44:05 GMT -6
Okay maybe Beverly is an example of a power player that people figured out, or at least Candy did. But remember EVEN WHEN Bev was investigated, revealed to be a spy - half the players didn't want to vote her out! I always was of the unpopular opinion that Beverly's strategy actuallly didn't make sense as a spy, it was just fun to watch. (My strategy as Subhi didn't make sense rather it was fun to play as). However, people blindly followed the loud, extravagant, opionated Beverly blindly ... for 5 rounds. I think that some people were onto her from the start and others weren't. And I'll give her this much credit: her strategy worked on people like me. Hell, of every single spy in the canon, she's the only one that's completely shocked me. That said, the only thing she was "powerful" at was getting on people's nerves. Yeah, she had an effective persona. Effective spy? Not so much. What is she actually supposed to have done, apart from make herself the #1 candidate for an investigation? |
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Post by Samson on Jul 6, 2010 15:08:02 GMT -6
Yeah thats what I never understood. Blake always proclaims that the strategy was to be as unconventional as possible, but Bev just screamed "I WROTE A LONG ANSWER UNDER SPY STRATEGY ON MY APPLICATION". However, her strategy did not work as she was #1 investigation target as you say ON TOP OF blatant manipulation.
Having said that, she almost convinced me with the Village Idiot thing LOL.
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