Questions For Tina

[Isaac]

Ok Tina, I've got some questions for you and want some straight answers because ever since I've come over here all you've done is warp my words and phish for the same info by repeatly asking the same questions. These kinds of actions led the democrats to problems with information being misinterpreted and misunderstood and although I've now mentioned these things to you a few times, you continue to do it and it's beyond annoying and misleading for the rest of us. So, lets get some straight answers from you. Below is part of the chat log from yesterday and several things in it are misleading so lets try to clarify where you think these things are being stated as I don't see it.

spies8tina (22:53:10): So I think that I am going to vote Isaac.
spies8jasmine (22:53:51): At this point, I'm leaning on that as well.
spies8jasmine (22:54:16): I feel like Sam gave us to much shti to do, im so pissed. -_-
spies8jasmine (22:54:37): ultimate power vote, three peoples names for immunity, exile vote, list in case we dont make it to the live exile and cant vote between those two picks
spies8tina (22:55:27): Look at his suspicions; He puts up a whole lot of stuff on you at the end of last episode, teams change and he suddenly wants Themba and Law as the top two suspects. He talks with Themba, and she is dropped. Law suddenly becomes the top suspect, at the exact time he becomes flavor of the week, and you are ignored for some reason.
spies8jasmine (22:56:41): flavor of the week?
spies8jasmine (22:56:46): meaning?
spies8tina (22:56:56): Suddenly a favorite topic to be exiled.


First off when you say this, "He puts up a whole lot of stuff on you at the end of last episode, teams change and he suddenly wants Themba and Law as the top two suspects." it sounds like you are suspicious of me because I made a post on Jasmine yet never actually mentioned her as a suspect today, correct? But here is the thing, if you actually read my whole post of her you would see that I posted it so others could be aware and we could keep an eye on the behavior, not so I could claim her a spy. No I haven't forgotten those actions, and I don't want others to either which is the reason the post was made. It almost sounds like you'd be less suspicious of me if I came out and accussed her of being a spy. But since I never did, you find it odd, correct?

Second is this, "he suddenly wants Themba and Law as the top two suspects. He talks with Themba, and she is dropped.". Ummm, when exactly did I say they were my top two suspects? I know I stated I was looking at both of them and had questions for them but also stated I just needed to talk to them and several others who I didn't even have an opinion of yet. The most interesting thing about this is I actually talked to you in group chat about Themba and your answers at the time were the reason I found her actions in question suspect. But come to find out after talking with Themba you were wrong or misinformed and Themba cleared that up for me. So how exactly does me dropping my suspicions of Themba based on your bad information make me suspect? I really don't get that at all...


Finally, "Law suddenly becomes the top suspect, at the exact time he becomes flavor of the week, and you are ignored for some reason." Please show me where I stated Lawrence was my "top suspect" because I doubt you can. Also, please prove that Lawrence was the "flavor of the week" at that exact moment because if you'd actually done your homework you would notice I've mentioned Lawrence before on the Democrats side several times and in group chat on this side once or twice already. It's not exactly like it came out of thin air on my part and it certainly didn't garner a vote from me yet anywhere. So, what is so suspicious about this? And once again with the Jasmine thing, I mean really? Where in the world did you get the idea I have totally ignored her because I've not once stated that. Jasmine knows the two of us butt heads, and shes well aware of my suspicions against her and she has hers against me. But to say I've ignored her is completey false and I know you can't prove that either. But by all means, please enlighten the rest of us because these suppossed "facts" are what you are actually basing your decisions off of.

Yesterday when we chatted about the Claude and Chance thing you were using several of these same tactics and I hate to tell you this if you haven't figured it out, but in the long run it hurts us all. I'm not sure if you've actually followed all the stuff that was misquoted or misread/interpreted on the Democrats side, but it caused several problems and it's no way to play this game. I mentioned to you now more then once that your tactics about getting information or the way you keep rephrasing questions is very odd yet you persist in doing it.

So, please prove everything you are spreading as I fully believe you can't and hope it will get you to realize the "facts" you are stating aren't facts at all.

[Themba]

Jul 1, 2010 3:59:32 GMT -6 Isaac said:

Second is this, "he suddenly wants Themba and Law as the top two suspects. He talks with Themba, and she is dropped.". Ummm, when exactly did I say they were my top two suspects? I know I stated I was looking at both of them and had questions for them but also stated I just needed to talk to them and several others who I didn't even have an opinion of yet. The most interesting thing about this is I actually talked to you in group chat about Themba and your answers at the time were the reason I found her actions in question suspect. But come to find out after talking with Themba you were wrong or misinformed and Themba cleared that up for me. So how exactly does me dropping my suspicions of Themba based on your bad information make me suspect? I really don't get that at all...

I too am interested in this. What exactly did you say to Isaac about me?

[Tina]

Jul 1, 2010 3:59:32 GMT -6 Isaac said:

First off when you say this, "He puts up a whole lot of stuff on you at the end of last episode, teams change and he suddenly wants Themba and Law as the top two suspects." it sounds like you are suspicious of me because I made a post on Jasmine yet never actually mentioned her as a suspect today, correct? But here is the thing, if you actually read my whole post of her you would see that I posted it so others could be aware and we could keep an eye on the behavior, not so I could claim her a spy. No I haven't forgotten those actions, and I don't want others to either which is the reason the post was made. It almost sounds like you'd be less suspicious of me if I came out and accussed her of being a spy. But since I never did, you find it odd, correct?

When someone makes a post that starts with "Incase I am imprisoned" I am going to immediately think that this is the prefered exile vote, or at very least a top couple suspect. If you came here and continued to mention Jasmine, yes, I would have thought it was far less of a tell. My notes for what would be happening is you and Jasmine would be voting for eachother this exile.

Second is this, "he suddenly wants Themba and Law as the top two suspects. He talks with Themba, and she is dropped.". Ummm, when exactly did I say they were my top two suspects? I know I stated I was looking at both of them and had questions for them but also stated I just needed to talk to them and several others who I didn't even have an opinion of yet. The most interesting thing about this is I actually talked to you in group chat about Themba and your answers at the time were the reason I found her actions in question suspect. But come to find out after talking with Themba you were wrong or misinformed and Themba cleared that up for me. So how exactly does me dropping my suspicions of Themba based on your bad information make me suspect? I really don't get that at all...

This is the first real suspicion I can find from you (that I was around for at least) that did not involve linking to the Jasmine post of yours.

spies8isaac (2:20:23 PM): Thats just it, figuring out a top 3 at the moment is what I'm working on. There were some compelling arguments against Themba but it's a lot of reading I still need to do to fully decide and the Lawrence argument is probably the strongest one at the moment. He was definitely a bit suspicious over on the dems side too. But for a third I'm still looking

If you are working on a top three, and Themba and Larry come up with no third, am I to assume that you do not have these two as your top two suspects? No one else was mentioned here, not even Jasmine.

I do not remember telling you much about the Themba stuff, but if I did (to answer her question), it was probably what happened near the end of exile one. I was not sure where she was early except on Dane, that changed at some point, she jumped hard on Alexei for giving up saying it was obviously a spy thing, and then jumped right back off after the HQ thing.

Finally, "Law suddenly becomes the top suspect, at the exact time he becomes flavor of the week, and you are ignored for some reason." Please show me where I stated Lawrence was my "top suspect" because I doubt you can. Also, please prove that Lawrence was the "flavor of the week" at that exact moment because if you'd actually done your homework you would notice I've mentioned Lawrence before on the Democrats side several times and in group chat on this side once or twice already. It's not exactly like it came out of thin air on my part and it certainly didn't garner a vote from me yet anywhere. So, what is so suspicious about this? And once again with the Jasmine thing, I mean really? Where in the world did you get the idea I have totally ignored her because I've not once stated that. Jasmine knows the two of us butt heads, and shes well aware of my suspicions against her and she has hers against me. But to say I've ignored her is completey false and I know you can't prove that either. But by all means, please enlighten the rest of us because these suppossed "facts" are what you are actually basing your decisions off of.

To recylce a quote:

spies8isaac (2:20:23 PM): Thats just it, figuring out a top 3 at the moment is what I'm working on. There were some compelling arguments against Themba but it's a lot of reading I still need to do to fully decide and the Lawrence argument is probably the strongest one at the moment. He was definitely a bit suspicious over on the dems side too. But for a third I'm still looking

This is you saying that at that point Lawrence is your top suspect. I never have seen you amend this so I have to think that it is still true. If it has changed for what reasons and when?

From what I remember seeing from the Dem side, Larry was basically ignored. I never saw him addressed much if at all from anyone on your side. If I missed you putting something up against him though just point me to it. He is the flavor of the week vote right now though, that much is hard to deny.

You have ignored Jasmine in the sense that your actions do not seem to match up with you wanting to "keep a close eye on her" to me. I did read that as her being a top pick, and out of the moving dems, your obvious first pick. The fact that you have not continued that much if at all was one of the things I was wondering about, especially since you seemed far more interested in a Dem that is suddenly picking up a whole lot of heat.

What is your current opinon on Jasmine?

[Isaac]

"When someone makes a post that starts with "Incase I am imprisoned" I am going to immediately think that this is the prefered exile vote, or at very least a top couple suspect. If you came here and continued to mention Jasmine, yes, I would have thought it was far less of a tell. My notes for what would be happening is you and Jasmine would be voting for eachother this exile."

Well, Jasmine has been mentioned and not forgotten. But I didn't feel it was enough to warrant a vote at the time as compared to claude. Which is why I posted it and never voted her. We all know I distrust several of his actions so figured he was my best vote. As for mentioning her here, I have done so as well as several people have asked my feelings towards the other dems that followed me over. As for a top suspect, I was looking at all players here as well which I mentioned on more then one occasion. So I thought bringing that over here as a top suspect and ignoring all previous leads you all already had seemed like a dumb idea. Which, I have also already addressed in our thread with my post.

This is the first real suspicion I can find from you (that I was around for at least) that did not involve linking to the Jasmine post of yours.

spies8isaac (2:20:23 PM): Thats just it, figuring out a top 3 at the moment is what I'm working on. There were some compelling arguments against Themba but it's a lot of reading I still need to do to fully decide and the Lawrence argument is probably the strongest one at the moment. He was definitely a bit suspicious over on the dems side too. But for a third I'm still looking

If you are working on a top three, and Themba and Larry come up with no third, am I to assume that you do not have these two as your top two suspects? No one else was mentioned here, not even Jasmine.

I do not remember telling you much about the Themba stuff, but if I did (to answer her question), it was probably what happened near the end of exile one. I was not sure where she was early except on Dane, that changed at some point, she jumped hard on Alexei for giving up saying it was obviously a spy thing, and then jumped right back off after the HQ thing.

My wording on the matter may not have been the best, but you left out the next few lines of the chat where I stated I still needed to meet everyone and get a reading. Also the fact that at that moment that was all I had to go off of(Which I stated before the quote you posted), really can't make it sound like Lawrence is my top suspect. The way you made the statement was that you feel he currently is and thats not true.

And as for Themba, I realize you were telling me what you remembered, thats fine. After talking to her I assumed you'd forgotten some facts or just didn't mention things correctly which is what I posted in the above post with the quesations to you. My point is that you found it odd the Themba is now not as suspect to me after talking to her. But you are basing your suspicions on the fact that I was most suspicious of her after her your assement (Steph's maybe...was she there in chat with us?). So why in the world does it make me seem suspicious that I no longer find her as suspect after clearing up bad information I recieved from you? If anything I'd think you'd just accept that maybe your info was inaccurate and realize I really can't find fault in Themba for that. But for some reason you don't see it that way.


To recylce a quote:

spies8isaac (2:20:23 PM): Thats just it, figuring out a top 3 at the moment is what I'm working on. There were some compelling arguments against Themba but it's a lot of reading I still need to do to fully decide and the Lawrence argument is probably the strongest one at the moment. He was definitely a bit suspicious over on the dems side too. But for a third I'm still looking

This is you saying that at that point Lawrence is your top suspect. I never have seen you amend this so I have to think that it is still true. If it has changed for what reasons and when?

From what I remember seeing from the Dem side, Larry was basically ignored. I never saw him addressed much if at all from anyone on your side. If I missed you putting something up against him though just point me to it. He is the flavor of the week vote right now though, that much is hard to deny.

You have ignored Jasmine in the sense that your actions do not seem to match up with you wanting to "keep a close eye on her" to me. I did read that as her being a top pick, and out of the moving dems, your obvious first pick. The fact that you have not continued that much if at all was one of the things I was wondering about, especially since you seemed far more interested in a Dem that is suddenly picking up a whole lot of heat.

What is your current opinon on Jasmine?

Once again I've already stated this but as I said, it was AT THAT MOMENT. I told you after the quote you have I still had yet to meet others and even form an opinion. And the fact that you keep asking me who I'm currently suspicious of, you have to realize those ideas change, as they should. And once again, you are stating as if he IS my top suspect and that is false. As for Larry being ignored on the Dem side that is false too. Several people mentioned it more then once, as did I and thats why he stepped it up so much day two because he knew we were all getting wierd vibes. Again, it's all in the chat logs there. And as of this moment him being the flavor of the week vote as nothing to do with me, I haven't voted him as I've already stated. His actions can definitly be construed as suspicious because of the major attitude change but that is also why I was wondering so much about Themba.

As for keeping a close eye on Jasmine I think I've done just that. Came over into a new group and explored all past and present arguments to see who I like the best as a suspect. But wanted to meet and talk to everyone and get a total feeling for what was best before persuing anything. I posted the Jasmine thread 5 minutes before the live event and the break, so not much more to add then. Came over here with an open mind and have been watching and listening and it was just in the past 24 hours that Jasmine has definitly raised a red flag with me again.

As for my current opinion of Jasmine, you and everyone else knows we don't get along. But some things shes said recently make me think there is something else there. But, I'll post those suspicions in the vote thread.

[Magalie]

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