No voter privacy, part three

[Zedekiah]

As always post yer votes as ye make them, so folks can claim slightly before they are exiled

[Tina]

I am currently voting for Larwence for reasons stated in the thread I posted.

The other person I am considering voting is Isaac, reasons of which will be posted later tonight.

[Lilith]

I have no idea who I am voting for at this moment, however, I do have a list of people I would like to talk to more so I can get a better read on them.

These people are:
Isaac
Kiara
Lawrence
Themba
Zed

--> So if one of yall get on without me noticing, send me a message! I don't necessairly suspect you, just want to get a better read on you by talking to you more. Dane was on the list too, but he just signed on .

[Stephanie]

Voting Lawrence (I still refuse to bold).

(8:25:57 PM) spies8stephanie: so i am all confused on your suspects
(8:26:23 PM) spies8stephanie: you told me yesterday that brod was spy on "gut"
(8:26:40 PM) spies8stephanie: and you were most susp. of jas
(8:26:48 PM) spies8stephanie: and investigating isaac?
(8:26:51 PM) spies8lawrence: Yeah, the entire "case" against him is posted in the dem side.
(8:27:12 PM) spies8lawrence: Pretty much, yeah.
(8:27:19 PM) spies8stephanie: but you told tina that you would vote isaac or themba?
(8:27:47 PM) spies8stephanie: having a hard time with most susp. of jas and voting isaac
(8:28:34 PM) spies8stephanie: or themba, have you talked with themba?
(8:29:39 PM) spies8lawrence: Well, it was the "choose now" aspect of her question. I had not managed to do any studying into anyone but Jas, and despite susicions, I didn't have much concrete on her. So I would have had to take a leap of faith in tht situation.
(8:31:20 PM) spies8lawrence: And no, I have not yet talked with Themba. I do most of my hunting by studying logs and posts dur to the fact that I feel I get more reliable tells that way. I do intend to talkj with her though.

[Tina]

As of now I am no longer voting Lawrence. I am not sure who my vote will be at this time.

[Themba]

My current vote is for Jasmine.

spies8cinnamyn: (9:06:54 PM)yall wanna ask queschins in bout an hour.? 2 c if mo' ppl sho up
spies8isaac: (9:07:43 PM)I would just settle for meeting the people on our team that have yet to say anything last night or tonight. But sure, I'll be here.
spies8lawrence: (9:10:56 PM)Same here.
spies8jasmine: (9:11:31 PM)I was hoping we were gunna get a few spies tonight.
spies8jasmine: (9:17:16 PM):-)
spies8jasmine: (9:19:46 PM)I think all of you are spies, therefore thats why I'm in no conversations. You are all speaking together.

spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dems&action=display&thread=313

spies8jasmine 5:48 pm
Well, I think Claude's role is a cit role. I think if someone has the power to influence people's voting during the day..it has to be a citizen, spies control night/imprisonment as it is.
just a guess tho.
spies8kiara 5:49 pm
of course they control imprisonments, the make them!!!
spies8jasmine 5:49 pm
mhmm gurl

spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gop&action=display&thread=610

Perhaps it's just too naive of me to expect that a Spy would make such a tragic slip like that - I also note it took 6 minutes for you to respond to yourself Jas. I just think you try too hard to make yourself appear to be a Cit in some parts of the game, and other parts you just don't seem to care.

I also think that the second paragraph is somewhat of a contradiction to your previous posts on Claude. If you thought Claude was a Cit why would you spend half an Episode saying he is a Spy but that you couldn't vote for him and read his posts? Does not make any sense to me.

[Dane]

my current vote is for Stephanie. See my reasons in the themba thread.

[Jasmine]

If you thought Claude was a Cit why would you spend half an Episode saying he is a Spy but that you couldn't vote for him and read his posts? Does not make any sense to me.

Just to clairfy. I've always thought Claude was a citizen. You seem to have been confused. I've thought Chance is a spy. I didn't read his claim on Claude because we weren't going to exile Claude because of his PR claim. I still think Claude is a citizen.

[Jasmine]

My current vote is on Isaac.

Everyone is already aware I suspected him starting last round when I made this thread; spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dems&action=display&thread=508

I more wanted to create another discussion--aside from Margot, and he seemed like a perfect candidate because nobody was ever sure on him to that point. It didn't create much of one but I did start to find things when looking into him that made me unsure. The fact that nobody, aside from Claude, really had much input for me personally..led to me not voting him last round, however this round I have nothing much to go off of at the moment. I'm still getting use to these republicans. The fact that Cory must've agreed somewhat with suspecting Isaac, and Claude as well..and then now on this team I've heard his name--obviously--mentioned again, I guess me suspecting him last round wasn't completely dumb..therefore I'm leaning on him at the moment.

However, I am reading a bit on Stephanie..once again she is striking me as someone who might be a spy.

[Lilith]

Stephanie I don't think is a spy.

Jasmine, I am unsure of, but rethinking her position and reading her previous threads, I am wavering on. Some of her actions have made me hesitant, but my gut is telling me she isn't a spy.

The way Themba is arguing makes me think she is a spy. In my mind, she argues like a spy pretending to be a citizen suspecting someone.

I need to read up more on Isaac.

I was thinking it wasn't Lawrence, but his lack of coming online and me being able to speak to him directly is making me iffy.

[Tina]

Skitzo move #2.

I am going to vote either Isaac or Themba, once I get an answer to a few questions I will make up my mind and post about it.

I will not vote Lawrence or Jasmine. If either are chosen by this side I will be voting the Dems pick.

[Lilith]

I am voting Themba.

1st) Her argument on Jasmine doesn't seem sincere to me. If I was someone genuinely suspcious in Jasmine, I would point out other aspects of what Jasmine said (there are things Jasmine has said in that specific chat that make me wary, but the fact that Themba didn't point them out makes me feel like Themba isn't genuinely interested in killing Jasmine).

2nd) Themba's questions to me seem pointless and like she isn't asking questions to see if I AM a spy, but just asking questions for filler. The first question towards me is pointless, the 2nd and third tell me she didn't even listen to me in chat. I had a) mentioned to her that I no longer suspected Zed and her second question makes no sense. I have front-up told everyone that I am not really looking into the past as much as I am reading you off of how you explain your suspcions. Yet your questions towards me tell me you haven't even paid attention towards me or considered me a suspect, just that you are talking to me to talk to me and asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

If I am going to make a list and ask people questions I am genuinely interested in knowing the answers to, I am going to ask meaningful questions.

[Kiara]

as of right now i am voting for themba my thoughts on he actions can be seen here
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gop&thread=642&page=1#3951

[Tina]

I have spoken with Isaac and decided that I will be voting Themba

Votes
Themba -3- Lil, Tina, Kiara
Law -2- Steph, Penalty for not doing activity
Steph -1- Dane
Isaac -1- Jasmine
Jasmine -1- Themba

My reasoning for the Themba vote breaks down to a few key things

1) Actions before Alexei "Gave up"

-In a chat with Themba the Saturday before exile, she listed Dane as probably spy, then Zek and Alexei as possible spy when I asked about these three people. At this point she reaffirmed she was voting for Dane. At this point Alexei was voting for Dane, meaning Dane had three votes (Steph, Themba, Alexei) to Zek with two (Jenny and Savannah).
-After I brought up Alexei blatantly wagoning Dane

spies8themba (6:37:30 PM): At this point yes. But I want to speak to Dane after he's finished with the rest of the group. Apparently I am not allowed to speak in there atm...
spies8themba (6:47:27 PM): There's a very good chance I will change off Dane - but I like to see his reaction to it all also. Is good for him

Both of these lines looks like she is trying to make reasons to stay on Dane, despite her continuing to say that an Alexei lynch makes sense.
-Also odd at this point is that she has never spoken with Alexei. Shortly before exile with him as a possible second suspect, she is going off what others have said

2) "Giving up"
[22:59] spies8themba: did he just admit to being a spy? or was that just me?
[22:59] spies8jenny: I don't think so.
[23:00] spies8jenny: I think he was just semi-depressed about possibly being the first gone.
[23:00] spies8jenny: I know I would be.
[23:00] spies8themba: true. but i reckon he is and did.

This one really rings poorly with me. It seems like she suddenly decided that it was time to vote Alexei and tried to come in with a big part of the case, or something like that, to make it seem like she was a driving force behind the exile.

spies8themba (9:37:48 PM): Sure, well I was definitely only pointing out that he gave up. And I can see your concerns about the switch vote, but like I said, I was literally 45/55 between the 2. I took a guess. May have been wrong. May have also been right.
spies8tina (9:38:11 PM): You read like it was a whole lot stronger than 45/55 to a lot of people there.
spies8themba (9:39:33 PM): well you could never be 100% sure it was a give up can you? you can hope, but you can't know until he's out of the game. if he flipped cit, maybe i would've looked silly for suggesting he did give up.

Ok, this just feels odd to me. Alexei is suddenly obviously town for giving up in chat, yet she says that this was only a 45/55 thing. I just think that this was a massive overreaction to him leaving as her conviction does not match up with what is described as "a guess". I cannot get over this, even though I have spoken at different people about it. It just reads so much like spy trying to gain credit for a spy exile when they were not a part of it.

3) Savannah vote

For the vote, the line "There is more detail which I am sure I'll be asked to explain further at a later date." was added. This struck me as odd, as it seems that you would really only take a whole lot of pressure from the vote is Savannah flipped citizen. If she flipped spy it probably would not be used as an immediate tell as you seem to make it out to be.

spies8tina (12:17:49 AM): Why did you expect to need to defend a vote if you thought she was a spy though?
spies8themba (12:18:45 AM): Because if she did flip Citizen, I would be asked to explain myself. I did not know that she was a citizen. But to be honest, I didn't think she was a spy either. I was much more comfortable with an Allan vote. Jenny can verify that.

So she voted Savannah who she really was neutralish. This is claimed due in part to self-preservation, which I do not think was really going to be an occurance. Either way, I have somewhat of a hard time seeing a citizen vote someone who they think is neutral if they think them flipping citizen will get them exiled next.

spies8themba (12:23:31 AM): Overall reason I voted Savannah is because I had to move off of Allan. I don't know if he's lying or if it's a Cit role, but I am not comfortable voting him regardless. Which left me with the following choices: Vote me, vote Steph or vote Savannah. I was more comfortable voting for Savannah, so I voted for Savannah.
spies8tina (12:23:51 AM): That is a bit of a false dillema.
spies8themba (12:23:57 AM): Am I still suspicious of Zed? Of course. Dane? Possibly. Rondak? God knows. Like I said I need to know more.
spies8themba (12:24:00 AM): Let me finish.
spies8tina (12:24:02 AM): Ok.
spies8themba (12:24:32 AM): So. I either vote for one of the two other names being voted, or I stand on my own and vote for Zed and watch myself get exiled. Also not an option.

Later she goes on to say that she would have voted Zek if she could have voted for anyone. Zek was not completely clear of suspicion at this point, and I think that a vote for him would not have been as big of a waste as she suggests it would have been. I think the entire Steph wagon would have changed to Zek if they thought it was a possible exile.

So there is a lot to look into here, and I think this is the best place to set my vote down.

[Themba]

Sorry, Tina, what? Number 3) is new stuff so I'll address it. Of course I'd be asked to explain my vote for Savannah later as I was a suspect also, and as a general rule people like to ask their suspects questions. Onto the self-preservation side, you AGREED with me that had people seen Nita's vote for me they probably would have switched off of Savannah or Stephanie and on to me because people do indeed like to sheep someone who has made a successful case on a now proven Spy. I was not and am still not comfortable voting for Stephanie, so I had to pick Savannah to make sure my own backside was safe.

[Broderick]

Last night I was going to vote for Jasmine or Stephanie. I am less sure on Stephanie at the moment.
So I will probably vote for Jasmine.

[Lawrence]

My vote is currently on Stephanie. I explained much of my reasons in my investigation thread. Basically comes down to looking incredibly scummy to me with her interactions with and post-Alexei.

[Isaac]

Ok, vote wise this has been a hard day to decide for me as I had to get in and meet all the new Republicans(Dane, stop slacking and lets chat already....seriously you're the last one) and I wanted to view all the old arguments and new arguments to get a full picture. As the day draws to a close, I find myself suspecting two players the most. Themba and Jasmine.

With Themba I tried exploring some of the older arguments and got to talk and question Themba about them. Over all after chatting and seeing how she has been playing, I find it very suspect. And the icing on the cake has got to be her vote for Jasmine as the argument she's using is something from before the group move and a weak argument all by itself. There are several other things out there that are better examples and I will be honest when I say I haven't heard much of a case put forth by you on Jasmine yet, so not really sure where thats coming from. Also, shot in the dark, but please tell me you didn't change your power role vote from Tina to Owen just because Tina voted you. Because thats kinda what it looks like.

With Jasmine I already had an entire thread to have people keep in mind. When the group move happened I remembered it, but tried to take in all the new info from here as well to get a balanced picture. Basically within the last day or so Jasmine has just confirmed all the things I was watching from earlier and it's enough for me to vote her this time.

It's very peculiar in my mind that jasmine agreed with my thread on the Republican's side about not just focusing on the moved dems and remembering old info and trying to draw conclusions from everything as a whole and then actually end up not putting anything new forward herself. Her reasoning was something to the fact that she is still trying get to know all the Republicans, so instead of actually looking at past cases over here and drawing new conclusions, she voted me from what she thinks is suspicious from before the group change. And then once again as an argument, she says this:

Jul 1, 2010 9:12:12 GMT -6 Jasmine said:

Just to clairfy. I've always thought Claude was a citizen. You seem to have been confused. I've thought Chance is a spy. I didn't read his claim on Claude because we weren't going to exile Claude because of his PR claim. I still think Claude is a citizen.

Once again she uses "we" and it sounds like since the majority didn't go along with something, she wouldn't either. I've mentioned this before and she still does it. Even in the vote for me up above it sounds as though she didn't go along with votong me yesterday was because others weren't sure. That is no way to base opinions in this game. We all need to speak our minds to get anywhere and it seems like you are just waiting for the next bandwagon to role along before you throw your thumb out there and hitch a ride.

Additionally you actually threw out a theory in private chat that could have made for an interesting discussion, but I never saw it materialize anywhere on the forums. There is nothing wrong with throwing out new ideas and discussing them and it probably would have opened the door for you to get to know more Republicans since it is one of the things you said you are working on.

And the fact that Stephanie strikes you as a spy but there is nothing else put forth by you to show the rest of us makes it look like you are trying to list posssible leads without actually having to do much research. Again, not what a citizen would do to help the rest of us out. And it just seems so much like you currently just can't be bothered and that attitude struck me as odd on the democrats side as well.

I assumed things may change or that maybe I was over analitical in my previous thread on you, but the same patterns with you are emerging here as well and that can't be good.

So yes, I will vote for Jasmine this round.

[Zedekiah]

I'll vote Themba again, for all the thing I've already said, plus t' renew it, for talkin so much about valid discussion lately.
Why? cause themba had not posted one valid thing ever
there was no scum huntin' just laughing at what was already up.

you talk about questioning yer suspect, how everyone should chat one on one t' find stuff out, but have you ever posted a chat log where you found out anything using this method?

[Owen]

Late announcement, I know, but I'll be voting Isaac.

- Possible Themba/Isaac Connection + distancing from Themba
- Don't feel like he's too sincere.
- Gut.

I have a better feeling about Themba than Isaac. I wish my reasonings were better, but this was a difficult decision.