Defending Oneself Against Brod

[Jasmine]

spies8stephanie (6:21:29 PM): you think jasmine is more suspicious?
spies8broderick (6:22:05 PM): Yeah I think Jasmine has the most suspicious things against her out of everyone that came over with me. Which is Lawrence, Isaac, and Jasmine that I've actually spoken to.
This is fine...just think I should explain myself against the reasons you end up listing.

spies8broderick (6:23:37 PM): Jasmine apparently doesn't care about arguments/cases against another person, if it doesn't involve her in some way. I was reading one of the group chats that I missed, and she was asked to read something. But she couldn't be bothered to.
I think you did this perfectly Brod, say the least information about it as you could. That does seem scummy, because you gave little to no information of the situation. Chance couldn't be voted for, Claude had a PR. There was no way, I personally, was planning on voting for them. And, at that moment, I was set on Chance being Spy to the point where I didn't care to read his BS. The guy comes into the chat and announced that he has a 16 page word document on his suspiciousness of Claude. A few minutes before we all claimed we weren't going to lynch Claude. The guy got on my last nerve, so no..I wasn't going to read his 16 page claim on that shit. I couldn't be bothered when we didn't have much time to come up with a person in the first place. We were down to only a day at max, but I think it was even less at that point to really get some good discussions going on people we were going to lynch.

spies8broderick (6:25:20 PM): A little over twenty minutes before the first Exile, I FoS'd Jasmine, Margot, and Gertrude for bandwagoning. Margot answered my questions, Gertrude explained her vote, and Jasmine said nothing until about five minutes before the exile.
spies8broderick (6:31:27 PM): I think I still would of voted for Jasmine, because she piqued my suspicions due to her overreaction right before the first exile.
I did reply to all your threads and stuff, so if you could just explain? Five minutes before I told you that it was lame that you would come out with these FOSs right before the exile was being revealed. I think we ended up figuring the exact timing. And it was 23 minutes before they were being revealed..you claimed us three suspect. I just think it was lame, nothing could be changed at that point..why not claim these a lot sooner when you were online all day and days previous, but whatever. I just yelled at you for it because as a character, jasmine yells.

spies8broderick (6:44:37 PM): Lawrence and Jasmine I think bandwagoned on Margot. Lawrence is one of those people I believe who finds their suspects in the limelight.

Okay, now this is interesting. And I'm starting to hate being claimed as a "band-wagoner" When I was the only one who created a thread--which everyone can view. On Issac. Why was he being forgotten, and me being suspect of him. I waited 4-5 hours and nobody has yet to really explain why they were suspect of him as well. Nobody would budge from the Margot vote, so I just went with it..thinking if I was the only one who was suspect of him..maybe it was wrong. Everyone claimed to being a bit suspect of Isaac, so I thought we should at least consider it--but nobody would.

spies8themba (8:21:05 PM): Ty. And that's why she couldn't be bothered reading anything on him, because she couldn't vote for him anyway? Is that right? Sorry just checking my understanding.
spies8broderick (8:21:31 PM): Jasmine?
spies8themba (8:21:37 PM): Yes Jasmine.
Exactly, I had enough going on at the moment with the people we could vote for. I wasn't going to waste my time on reading something on people we weren't voting for.

spies8broderick (8:23:39 PM): Before exile one, about twenty minutes before I FoS'd Margot, Gertrude, and Jasmine for their votes. All three looked bandwagony. Margot answered my questions about hers, Gertrude explained hers, and Jasmine didn't really respond until about five minutes before the exile.
Okay brod, you must really want me to look more suspect then it is. You aren't just stating facts Because if you were, you would also note that you claimed these FOSs, 23 minutes before the vote was revealed. that means 18 minutes later I responded yelling at you...Like dude, if your going to try to make me look bad with people five minutes into getting to know them, at least tell them everything. Don't leave small things out, we discussed all of this.--You can at least tell the facts we figured when discussing it.

spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dems&action=display&thread=508
^ The Isaac Thread

[Broderick]

spies8broderick (6:23:37 PM): Jasmine apparently doesn't care about arguments/cases against another person, if it doesn't involve her in some way. I was reading one of the group chats that I missed, and she was asked to read something. But she couldn't be bothered to.

I think you did this perfectly Brod, say the least information about it as you could. That does seem scummy, because you gave little to no information of the situation. Chance couldn't be voted for, Claude had a PR. There was no way, I personally, was planning on voting for them. And, at that moment, I was set on Chance being Spy to the point where I didn't care to read his BS. The guy comes into the chat and announced that he has a 16 page word document on his suspiciousness of Claude. A few minutes before we all claimed we weren't going to lynch Claude. The guy got on my last nerve, so no..I wasn't going to read his 16 page claim on that shit. I couldn't be bothered when we didn't have much time to come up with a person in the first place. We were down to only a day at max, but I think it was even less at that point to really get some good discussions going on people we were going to lynch.

At the time of the chat I could not recall the specific group chat it had occurred in. Since I am not in the business of spreading misinformation, I was not about to muddle the waters with speculation derived from my faulty memory at the time.

Even if someone is blocked from being voted for whether officially or unofficially, does not make them completely invisible. They are still there. You claimed you were pretty certain on Chance being a spy, have you actually made a case for this claim? You claim there was no time for you to read what he had to say, but there was time for you to delve into your suspicions of him?

spies8broderick (6:25:20 PM): A little over twenty minutes before the first Exile, I FoS'd Jasmine, Margot, and Gertrude for bandwagoning. Margot answered my questions, Gertrude explained her vote, and Jasmine said nothing until about five minutes before the exile.
spies8broderick (6:31:27 PM): I think I still would of voted for Jasmine, because she piqued my suspicions due to her overreaction right before the first exile.

I did reply to all your threads and stuff, so if you could just explain? Five minutes before I told you that it was lame that you would come out with these FOSs right before the exile was being revealed. I think we ended up figuring the exact timing. And it was 23 minutes before they were being revealed..you claimed us three suspect. I just think it was lame, nothing could be changed at that point..why not claim these a lot sooner when you were online all day and days previous, but whatever. I just yelled at you for it because as a character, jasmine yells.

'We' did not figure the timing out. I did. I did this both in the chat that this incident occurred and a post where I asked for your reasons that you overreacted, and you claimed I FoS'd five minutes prior to the Exile, again. I was not online all day. As I pointed out in the previous post where we covered this, the time you were online does not equate to all day. If you can prove that I was on all day (which I wasn't,) where is it? Considering that all three of your votes were publicized in the Vote Tallies thread on the Day of Exile, how could I accuse you three of bandwagoning when the information/actions was not there on previous days?

Sunday, June 20, 2010
spies8broderick (16:40:21): Hi Claude.
spies8broderick (17:37:3): We are such a quiet group.
spies8jasmine (17:39:4): hey everyone.
Spies8Awohali (17:39:6): Hello, Jasmine
Spies8Awohali (17:39:18): And Broderick, also
spies8broderick (17:39:28): Hi Jasmine
Spies8Awohali (17:39:52): I was talking to Chance about his Claude suspicion, trying to make as much sense o it as possible..
spies8broderick (17:41:22): I will be back in a little bit
spies8jasmine (17:41:29): What are you thinking Awohali?

spies8broderick (19:37:29): For the record. I am FoSing Jasmine, Gertie, and Margot.
Spies8Awohali (19:37:54): Is there a reason for this, Broderick?
spies8cinnamyn (19:38:15): sory yall im watchin' da tv until exile startz
spies8broderick (19:38:43): All three votes appear to be hopping on the bandwagon. Gertie and Margot both supplied similar reasons 'I agree with what has been said".
spies8broderick (19:38:55): I am finishing up the post right now for the Suspicions thread.
spies8jasmine (19:39:13): I was the first to vote for Chance, so i didn't really agree with any of the above votes. But thats fine.
Spies8Awohali (19:39:19): I look forward to reading it.
spies8broderick (19:39:49): I have not given my reasons for you yet Jasmine.
spies8jasmine (19:39:55): Ah okay.


spies8jasmine (19:41:37): bandwagon?
spies8jasmine (19:42:19): Wouldn't other people have to have been voting for Chance for it to be a bandwagon, or no?

spies8gertrude (19:58:31): Hey guys, I'd like to respond to Broderick's FoS of me in the suspicion thread.
spies8gertrude (19:58:47): This is what he said:
spies8gertrude (19:58:49): Margot and Gertie - Both of your votes are rather bandwagonesque. Have either of you spoken to Camilla directly in an attempt to hear from her? I assume not as you both said something similar to 'I agree with the things said about her.'
spies8gertrude (19:59:7): While it may seem I bandwagoned on the vote for Camilla, that's not actually the case.
spies8jasmine (19:59:10): Where is this post?
spies8chance (19:59:18): in the suspicion thread.
spies8gertrude (19:59:23): Colloquially, I suspected Camilla before it was cool to suspect Camilla.
spies8jasmine (19:59:29): And I love how he posts FOSs when the deadline is up yet has been in this chat at fucking day.
spies8jasmine (19:59:34): all*

spies8broderick (20:00:16): I have not been in this chat 'all fucking day' Jasmine

spies8broderick (20:00:27): I told you when I posted it and where I posted it, Jasmine.

spies8jasmine (20:00:38): No brod u have been in here the entire fucking day
spies8jasmine (20:00:44): just a mute.
spies8jasmine (20:00:45):
spies8broderick (20:00:48): No I have not.
spies8jasmine (20:00:49): k i found the post
spies8jasmine (20:00:57): yes u have? since ive been online anyways.

spies8jasmine (20:01:3): We were wondering where u were for like the entire time.
spies8chance (20:01:9): i can verify that.


spies8jasmine (20:01:50): i just found out stupid that you wait till the last minute to bring shit up at the end, you could at least have the decency to bring it up with more time to explain or at least consider wat your saying.
spies8jasmine (20:01:57): find it*
spies8broderick (20:02:16): I joined this chat room about two minutes before you did. Then I said 'I will be back in a little bit'
spies8mary (20:02:30): I feel queasy.
spies8jasmine (20:02:42): okay, thats fine. Just saying I find it odd and dumb that you would wait this long.
spies8broderick (20:02:49): Wait this long?
spies8jasmine (20:02:56): 5 minutes before exile
spies8jasmine (20:02:57): yes
spies8jasmine (20:03:2): or lynch
spies8jasmine (20:03:6): or watever
spies8jasmine (20:03:6): lol
spies8broderick (20:03:43): I said in this chat about the FoS 26 minutes ago Jasmine. Not five
spies8broderick (20:04:0): you have been in this chat
spies8jasmine (20:04:12): ya but you posted it only 20 minutes ago
spies8jasmine (20:04:19): it's watever, i just found it stupid.
spies8broderick (20:04:34): Why not say that orginially?
spies8jasmine (20:04:43): say what originally?
spies8broderick (20:04:55): That is was stupid?
spies8broderick (20:05:6): Why wait until now to say it?
spies8jasmine (20:05:7): cause i didnt think it was stupid till now? idk?
spies8broderick (20:05:25): What changed your opinion?
spies8jasmine (20:05:37): why r u questioning me thinking it was stupid. i feel like shooting myself now.
spies8jasmine (20:05:48): nothing changed my opinion?
spies8jasmine (20:05:51): it was always stupid?
spies8broderick (20:06:3): cause i didnt think it was stupid till now? idk?
spies8broderick (20:06:11): You are contradicting yourself Jasmine
spies8jasmine (20:06:21): Not really?


That is the relevant chat conversation, to refresh your memory. As well as the relevant posts to aide in refreshing.

I think "overreacting" is an opioion.

I think you bringing up three new FOSs five minutes, literally, before the votes were due/being revealed..needed to be said. It was ridiculous. We had four days to bring shit up, and then you choose that moment, being online ALL day to bring it all up. Nothing could be changed at that point, there was no time to discuss any of it. Nothing. Sam was announcing who left the Republicans as I was yelling at you. I think it was a dumb move. Citizen or Spy, who knows. but it was just so ridiculous. It was not overreacting, imo.

I just yelled at you for it because as a character, jasmine yells.

To me, it looks like you are attempting to hide behind your character. It also shows that you have a bit of a habit of backtracking when you get called out on things. You did essentially the same thing when you were mean to Chance in a chat and we called you on it. You said you were joking, then later said that it was mean.

spies8broderick (6:44:37 PM): Lawrence and Jasmine I think bandwagoned on Margot. Lawrence is one of those people I believe who finds their suspects in the limelight.

Okay, now this is interesting. And I'm starting to hate being claimed as a "band-wagoner" When I was the only one who created a thread--which everyone can view. On Issac. Why was he being forgotten, and me being suspect of him. I waited 4-5 hours and nobody has yet to really explain why they were suspect of him as well. Nobody would budge from the Margot vote, so I just went with it..thinking if I was the only one who was suspect of him..maybe it was wrong. Everyone claimed to being a bit suspect of Isaac, so I thought we should at least consider it--but nobody would.

How is creating a thread on Isaac relevant to your Margot vote? You voted Margot because you couldn't get anyone to help you lynch Isaac? As far as I know, we the citizens are not in the business of exiling any one we can, we want to lynch Spies.

spies8broderick (8:23:39 PM): Before exile one, about twenty minutes before I FoS'd Margot, Gertrude, and Jasmine for their votes. All three looked bandwagony. Margot answered my questions about hers, Gertrude explained hers, and Jasmine didn't really respond until about five minutes before the exile.

Okay brod, you must really want me to look more suspect then it is. You aren't just stating facts Because if you were, you would also note that you claimed these FOSs, 23 minutes before the vote was revealed. that means 18 minutes later I responded yelling at you...Like dude, if your going to try to make me look bad with people five minutes into getting to know them, at least tell them everything. Don't leave small things out, we discussed all of this.--You can at least tell the facts we figured when discussing it.

I did state the time. 'Before exile one, about twenty minutes before' from the quoted bit above, which you used in your own post.

'A little over twenty minutes before the first Exile'. Also in the quote text at the top, from your own post as well.

What part of that is not telling the truth. Again, 'we' did not figure anything. I pointed out the timestamps, and you continued to claim it was five minutes even after I pointed out the timestamps in the chat. We discussed what exactly Jasmine? It seems like you are claiming that we discussed that I had an issue with leaving small things out. If I am interpreting this right, when did this occur exactly?

[Jasmine]

Even if someone is blocked from being voted for whether officially or unofficially, does not make them completely invisible. They are still there. You claimed you were pretty certain on Chance being a spy, have you actually made a case for this claim? You claim there was no time for you to read what he had to say, but there was time for you to delve into your suspicions of him?

Mmhmm. Well, no. I didn't make a claim. We couldn't vote him, and I still don't have anything solid to go off of..which I stated multiple times at the end of the last episode--so not sure why I'm getting asked this by not only you but old democrats before I left.(Just looked through the last bit of posts from that episode) You can suspect people, based on the way they act..without having anything solid yet. And I strongly suspect Chance, obviously nothing is 100%. You can suspect someone without wanting to exile them too. We can't exile him, I didn't want to exile Claude(And majority agreed on the whole Claude idea) So for me, personally, I didn't feel like reading there argument of 16 page word documents and such. Not my thing. If its yours, go for it. If it's suspect to not care, then I guess it is..for me though, I can always look at that when we can exile them..or if majority was considering it(exiling one of them.) I was busy as it was, so I didn't feel the need to.

'We' did not figure the timing out. I did. I did this both in the chat that this incident occurred and a post where I asked for your reasons that you overreacted, and you claimed I FoS'd five minutes prior to the Exile, again. I was not online all day. As I pointed out in the previous post where we covered this, the time you were online does not equate to all day. If you can prove that I was on all day (which I wasn't,) where is it? Considering that all three of your votes were publicized in the Vote Tallies thread on the Day of Exile, how could I accuse you three of bandwagoning when the information/actions was not there on previous days?

Wow, touchy. Okay "You" figured out the time. But we both were present and were aware of it. So when you claim "Jasmine didn't respond to me till five minutes before the exile." You need to also let the people you telling know, that you didn't FOS us..till Twenty Six minutes before the exile. That's all I meant.

To me, it looks like you are attempting to hide behind your character. It also shows that you have a bit of a habit of backtracking when you get called out on things. You did essentially the same thing when you were mean to Chance in a chat and we called you on it. You said you were joking, then later said that it was mean.

Jasmine's a bitch, thats not gunna change. I said mean jokes to Chance, people were offended. I apologized. If your going to get touchy with everything I say, it's your problem..not mine. As well as finding spies, I'm Jasmine.

How is creating a thread on Isaac relevant to your Margot vote? You voted Margot because you couldn't get anyone to help you lynch Isaac? As far as I know, we the citizens are not in the business of exiling any one we can, we want to lynch Spies.

Mhmm..yes, but I'm not going to lynch someone alone. And I was never aware Cory was voting Isaac? And Claude mentioned it wayyy later on, to the point where I'm not even sure if I was aware of his vote? I might have been though. Either way, there was no real discussion of an Isaac vote. And I suspected Margot as well, and wasn't going to waste a vote on Isaac, when he wasn't going to get lynched. As far as I knew, nobody was voting him. I may have known about Claude towards the end, near the reveal..but no way did I ever know about Cory voting him. Or really why?? Did you ever find that out either? *Wonders* I suspected both of them anyways, so for me..I was going to vote Margot if Isaac didn't get enough thought/people weren't agreeing with me, and I felt they weren't.

I did state the time. 'Before exile one, about twenty minutes before' from the quoted bit above, which you used in your own post.

Then, I am sorry. When I got online and read this chat. It was the first thing I saw, and the first impression--I felt. That was made on these people I didn't know. And I felt, and still somewhat do, you were trying to just make me look horrible. And leaving out information---my bad if that wasn't the case.

[Themba]

I may well be wrong, but this appears to be a discussionlikefight between 2 citizens.