group chat saturday june 19

[Chance]

spies8lawrence has entered the room. 5:45 pm
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spies8chance has entered the room. 5:45 pm
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spies8chance 5:45 pm
lagged out, sorry. what did i miss?
spies8camilla 5:46 pm
nothing.
*nothing treally
*really
spies8broderick 5:47 pm
From some of the chat bits, they imply that you had discussed Cory with Mary before yesterdays chat in which you and Cory went a bit head to head.
Did you two discuss your conversations with Cory before?
spies8claude 5:48 pm
No, there was just a public discussion
I thought you were there...but maybe not.
spies8broderick 5:49 pm
So you didnt directly ask Mary about her conversation with Cory, and whether or nothe was pushy?
spies8claude 5:49 pm
Here is a timeline, to the best of my memory:
spies8claude 5:49 pm
Group chat started.
People made small-talk(alot of roleplaying was going on at the time)
Someone said that they had invited Cory but he didn't join, and someone else said that they did also.
I said that Cory had been very pushy towards me, and that combined with the fact that he was(or seemed to be) dodging chat invites was suspicious
spies8camilla 5:52 pm
Why dodge as chat invite?
He could have been busy, but idkk,,
spies8claude 5:52 pm
He couldn't have been that busy, he was talking to multiple people in personal chatr.
Seemed like he was just trying to avoid a group environment.
spies8camilla 5:52 pm
hmm..
spies8claude 5:52 pm
He says that he just 'didnt get the invites', but shrug.
That's not a statement that can be verified, so.
spies8camilla 5:53 pm
At this point, I'm about 50/50 on Cory.
spies8broderick 5:53 pm
So you didn't clarify with Mary about her conversation with Cory and whether or not he was pushy?
spies8broderick 5:54 pm
Yet you used it as a point of reinforcement for your own suspicions.
Yet hours later, you actually did clarify with her (as far as I awas around)
spies8camilla 5:55 pm
err.. what?
spies8broderick 5:55 pm
It really does not make sense to me that you would be using a piece of information to reinforce your suspicion before clarifying that it had actually occurred
spies8claude 5:55 pm
I knew she said it.
I clarified it to get exact details.
spies8camilla 5:55 pm
can someone PLEASE tell me what the hell is going on with this mess?
spies8broderick 5:55 pm
So she said that Cory was pushy?
I thought she claimed that she never said it?
spies8claude 5:56 pm
She claims that we were 'overstating' what she said.
spies8broderick 5:56 pm
A large mess Camilla.
spies8camilla 5:57 pm
gosh.
spies8broderick 5:57 pm
I get the impression it will only get worse. With people running with what someone says without actually checking to make sure it is correct.
I get that is something you did as well Chance?
spies8claude 5:58 pm
What Mary said isn't ultimately that important to me, because it only reinforced what I was already thinking.
spies8camilla 5:59 pm
It might not have necessarily been true. You have to understand that if you got caught in a lie, it would have made you even more suspicious.
spies8broderick 6:00 pm
Rather than discuss with me about my own comments, you went to people saying they were fragile points against you. That I was looking for a reason to suspect you.
If I had intended to make a case Chance, I would have. Rather than sort through a chat discussion to comment on.
spies8chance 6:01 pm
reading up.
spies8chance 6:01 pm
the bit about cory being 'pushy' has basically been clarified by this point.
spies8camilla 6:01 pm
lol h
spies8chance 6:02 pm
'pushy' was the word i used to describe how i believed mary felt about cory.
i don't think she ever actually used the word.
spies8broderick 6:02 pm
My suggestion. Dont put words into the mouths of others Chance.
spies8chance 6:03 pm
my suggestion. don't make mountains out of molehills, broderick.
spies8claude 6:03 pm
So why are you 50/50 on Cory, Camilla?
spies8camilla 6:03 pm
what if its a large molehill.
spies8broderick 6:03 pm
Im not making a mountain out of a molehill Chance
spies8chance 6:03 pm
aren't you?
i think we can all agree that cory can be kinda pushy. cory himself admitted that he's 'abrasive'. so does it really matter who said it first?
spies8broderick 6:04 pm
It is a serious issue. We are trying to hunt for spies here. But if things get muddled because people are putting words into the mouths of others. It is extremely messy and quite frustrating to sort through
spies8claude 6:04 pm
See, I told you Broderick is a citizen :-P
spies8camilla 6:04 pm
I'm 50/50 on Cory because he tends to hoard for info and not give any out, that and he can be kind of pushy. I'm not agreeing that the whole abrasiveness thing can be a factor, but something about him seems off.
spies8chance 6:05 pm
and as i said, it's been sorted through.
spies8claude 6:05 pm
I'm curious, Camilla, about these two statements of yours:
spies8chance 6:05 pm
see? cam agrees. :-P
spies8claude 6:05 pm
spies8claude: (10:09:34 PM)I would generally vote someone that I don't think is a spy before voting no exile

I agree, No Exile is a waste, but if you don't believe the person is a spy, why vote for them? There are other alternatives.
and
*spies8chance: (10:09:50 PM)in my book, getting rid of someone who may not be a spy, but is unhelpful/not participating is almost as good as getting rid of a spy. especially early on.

This seems perfectly logical to me, if the person isn't going to help you at all, why keep them? It's not like we're in a constant state of lylo or anything. I think the 'especially early on' validates this point, and I agree. I don't think it's 'almost as good' but its better than N/L.
spies8broderick 6:07 pm
My suggestion still stands. Let people speak for themselves, and refrain from putting words into the mouths of others. I know you agree with the words in the mouths of others Chance, since you told Jasmine she was putting words into yours not that long ago.
spies8camilla 6:07 pm
Those two statements actually compliment each other. I'm saying that you should lynch someone. I'm saying No Lynch is a waste in BOTH. Like I said, there are other alternatives than N/L
spies8chance 6:07 pm
example - lynch someone who's not participating/helping.
spies8claude 6:07 pm
I agree that they are somewhat similar, in sentiment.
spies8camilla 6:07 pm
If it means lynching a cit that is little to no help to you, then lynch them. in every single mafia game, the ghosts are always exiled first.
spies8claude 6:08 pm
But it's strange that you disagree with one, but agree with the other.
spies8broderick 6:08 pm
Not quite Camilla.
spies8chance 6:08 pm
she doesn't disagree at all.
spies8mary has entered the room. 6:08 pm
spies8broderick 6:08 pm
Quite often the nonactives get ignored until later
spies8chance 6:08 pm
"if you think a person is a spy, why vote for them"
spies8mary 6:08 pm
Hi.
spies8chance 6:08 pm
er, wait.
spies8broderick 6:08 pm
Hi Mary
spies8chance 6:08 pm
'sup mary.
spies8camilla 6:08 pm
I disagree with no lynch, and agree with lynching a lurker that doesnt help at all. Those two are actually very unrelated.
spies8isaac 6:09 pm
Hello Mary
spies8camilla 6:09 pm
Hey mary h
spies8chance 6:09 pm
'if you don't believe the person is a spy, why vote for them'
spies8chance 6:09 pm
with unhelpfuls/lurkers, it's often extremely hard to know anything about them one way or the other.
spies8claude 6:10 pm
Why are you answering for Camilla :-(
spies8chance 6:10 pm
i'm not. i'm saying i agree with her.
also claude is putting words in her mouth and i like camilla. :-(
spies8claude 6:11 pm
No, I'm not putting words in her mouth.
spies8broderick 6:11 pm
Thoughts Isaac?
spies8camilla 6:11 pm
You are making me seem shady in order to deflect suspicion on you. Stop changing tactics.
spies8claude 6:11 pm
lol
spies8chance 6:11 pm
you kind of are.
spies8claude 6:11 pm
Really?
spies8mary 6:11 pm
What did Claude say?
spies8claude 6:11 pm
Not really.
We weren't even talking about me before.
We were talking about Cory.
spies8chance 6:11 pm
spies8claude 6:08 pm
But it's strange that you disagree with one, but agree with the other.
spies8claude 6:11 pm
Here, let's read again:
spies8isaac 6:12 pm
Thoughts are right now that people need to let people speak for themselves...lol. I was here earlier during that whole fiasco and it was truly exhaustin
spies8claude 6:12 pm
spies8claude: (10:09:34 PM)I would generally vote someone that I don't think is a spy before voting no exile

I agree, No Exile is a waste, but if you don't believe the person is a spy, why vote for them? There are other alternatives.
Here, Camilla says that you shouldn't vote for someone that you think is a citizen. That's perfectly understandable.
*spies8chance: (10:09:50 PM)in my book, getting rid of someone who may not be a spy, but is unhelpful/not participating is almost as good as getting rid of a spy. especially early on.

This seems perfectly logical to me, if the person isn't going to help you at all, why keep them? It's not like we're in a constant state of lylo or anything. I think the 'especially early on' validates this point, and I agree. I don't think it's 'almost as good' but its better than N/L.

spies8camilla 6:12 pm
Who you have been directly suspecting since day one. and with all due respect, you have been on the chopping block since i came in. you have been discussing everything, when cory was in, you were trying to deflect suspicion onto him, now its me.
spies8claude 6:13 pm
I can't be trying to 'deflect' suspicion onto Cory if I've been suspicious of him since Day 1.
spies8claude 6:13 pm
And whether or not *I* am suspicious of Cory has no bearing on my asking you why YOU are suspicious of him.
spies8isaac 6:14 pm
LOL, thats kinda true you have had it out for Cory. But it does seem somewhate that you are focusing all on Cam at the m oment. I haven't really even had a chance to chat with you yet Cam...lol
spies8camilla 6:14 pm
Okay one, I disagree with lynching someone who is clearly not a spy. I do agree with lynching someone that is entirely unhelpful and is feckless in the long run, regardless of alignment.
spies8claude 6:14 pm
I said that I'd vote for someone that I 'don't think is a spy' instead of voting No Exile
spies8camilla 6:15 pm
I suspect Cory for being a bit too agressive a bit too soon, it's like, either he's a spy or he'll be imprisoned soon.
spies8claude 6:15 pm
Chance said that he would vote for someone that 'might not be a spy' if they're b eing unhelpful.
spies8broderick 6:15 pm
Clearly not a spy, and don't think a spy. Not the same thing
spies8claude 6:15 pm
These are very similar sentiments(I believe that you even said this a couple of minutes ago), but you responded to them very differently.
spies8claude 6:16 pm
Why?
spies8camilla 6:16 pm
you're really gonna make a case against me on how I worded things.
spies8claude 6:16 pm
Yes.
It doesn't help that you have really started flailing since I started asking questions, but yes, I will absolutely make a case on you based on these things.
It's not really 'how you worded things'. It's more that it looks like you were just trying to play up to citizens by saying 'you should never vote for someone you don't believe is a spy'
spies8camilla 6:18 pm
To be honest, that is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

I know clearly not a spy and may not be a spy are two different things. But if you're going to make a case against me, please use actual evidence.

And I'm not flailing. I'm calmly answering your questions. h
spies8claude 6:18 pm
And then woefully contradicted yourself in the next line by agreeing with a statement that was, in effect, the same as what you just disagreed with
spies8camilla 6:18 pm
If "playing up to the cits" is expressing your opinion, then yes. I was absolutely playing up to the cits.
spies8chance 6:18 pm
funny. i don't recall her saying that at all.
:-)
spies8claude 6:19 pm
You don't recall her saying what?
spies8chance 6:19 pm
I agree, No Exile is a waste, but if you don't believe the person is a spy, why vote for them? There are other alternatives.
camilla, what 'alternatives' were you speaking of here?
spies8broderick 6:20 pm
Claude, you of all people should not be using contradictions as a point against another
spies8camilla 6:20 pm
Exiling someone who is little to no help.
spies8chance 6:20 pm
This seems perfectly logical to me, if the person isn't going to help you at all, why keep them? It's not like we're in a constant state of lylo or anything. I think the 'especially early on' validates this point, and I agree. I don't think it's 'almost as good' but its better than N/L.

spies8claude 6:20 pm
I'm asking her to explain them.
spies8chance 6:20 pm
camilla, who were you referring to here?
spies8chance 6:20 pm
a person who isn't going to help you at all?
spies8gertrude has entered the room. 6:20 pm
spies8claude 6:20 pm
Why are you coaching her, Chance?
spies8chance 6:20 pm
'sup gertie.
spies8camilla 6:20 pm
Hey Gertie.
spies8broderick 6:20 pm
Hi Gertrude
spies8camilla 6:20 pm
He isn't coaching me.
spies8claude 6:20 pm
Yes, he is.
spies8gertrude 6:21 pm
He guys!
Hey*
spies8mary 6:21 pm
Hi.
spies8chance 6:21 pm
no, i'm not.
i'm simply showing how you're twisting her words, is all.
spies8camilla 6:21 pm
He's asking me questions. Which are in fact, very similar to yours
spies8gertrude 6:21 pm
Just catching up on the Burg reading for a second.
spies8claude 6:21 pm
I posted her words for everyone to see
I can't be 'twisting' them.
spies8camilla 6:21 pm
I also posted my words for everyone to see.
spies8chance 6:21 pm
and then twisted them out of context entirely with your interpretation of them.
spies8claude 6:21 pm
I asked her to explain them.
spies8camilla 6:21 pm
interpret them how you like.
spies8claude 6:21 pm
Which she still has yet to do.
How about this.
spies8claude 6:22 pm
After the way that she immediately(and improperly) accused me of 'deflecting' onto her(and even more ridiculously, onto Cory) after I started asking her questions, I will stake my life on Camilla being a Spy.
spies8isaac 6:22 pm
Ok claude you may want to tone this down slightly before we're back in a chat session like the other day when you were trying to convince us about Cory. Your words should be chosen with a bit more effort because I don't see coaching and Cam still has to answer so give it time
spies8camilla 6:22 pm
How would you like me to answer them? I have answered them, you just choose to ignore my answers and tell me I'm contradicting yourself. Isn't contradicting yourself your area of expretise?
spies8claude 6:23 pm
Hey chance, why don't you explain to Camilla what 'OMGUS' means.
spies8camilla 6:23 pm
OMGUS = Oh my god You suck.
Im not an idiot.
spies8claude 6:23 pm
Isn't contradicting yourself your area of expretise?
That statement is pure, 100% OMGUS.
boo my text color changed.
spies8camilla 6:24 pm
You are the one who has contradicted himself already.
spies8chance 6:24 pm
camilla's two statements both refer to the same thing - lurkers/unhelpfuls.
i'm not certain how you're not seeing that, claude.
spies8claude 6:24 pm
I DO see that.
spies8camilla 6:24 pm
[16:01] spies8claude: I did think that was suspicious
[16:01] spies8claude: ...
[16:01] spies8chance: but not a big enough deal to bring up publically?
[16:01] spies8chance: even though you suspect tina for doing the same thing?
[16:01] spies8claude: Yes.
spies8claude 6:24 pm
Except in one instance, she says 'you shouldn't lynch them'
spies8isaac 6:24 pm
Wow, you are actually a hypocrite you tell Chance not to answer for Camilla then jump in and ask Chance to explain something to her after you accuse him of coaching her? Wow, talk about a phishing expedition
spies8camilla 6:25 pm
yet you think I contradict myself more than you
congratulations. you are an idiopt.
spies8claude 6:25 pm
And then in the absolute next sentence, she says 'Yeahi t's okay to lynch that guy'
spies8camilla 6:25 pm
*idiot
spies8claude 6:25 pm
Isaac: It was a joke based on Chance having to explain OMGUS to someone earlier.
spies8lawrence has entered the room. 6:26 pm
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spies8chance has entered the room. 6:26 pm
spies8camilla has entered the room. 6:26 pm
spies8mary has entered the room. 6:26 pm
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spies8chance 6:26 pm
wow, did i get kicked?
huh.
thanks gertie.
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spies8camilla 6:26 pm
Yet you tell me that my explanations are lackluster.
spies8claude 6:26 pm
?
spies8camilla 6:27 pm
brb
spies8claude 6:27 pm
You didn't even really explain it!
spies8gertrude 6:27 pm
No problem!
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spies8broderick 6:27 pm
Two orange fonts, confusing
spies8mary 6:27 pm
Claude, yesterday you said Cory tried to shut you down by belittling you when you were asking him questions.
spies8claude 6:27 pm
First you said:
spies8mary 6:27 pm
Is that correct?
spies8claude 6:27 pm
Yes.
spies8mary 6:28 pm
Ok.
spies8claude 6:28 pm
Yeah, I hate being stuck in an organge font now.
spies8mary 6:28 pm
I'm trying to find that chat.
spies8claude 6:28 pm
But I don't want to close chat.
spies8broderick 6:28 pm
Just copy another font
spies8mary 6:28 pm
I don't think aggressive play is scummy.
But if it's used
spies8claude 6:28 pm
I don't think aggressive play is scummy.
spies8mary 6:28 pm
To stifle discussion that's another matter.
spies8claude 6:28 pm
That didn't work at all.
spies8claude 6:28 pm
sigh, brb
spies8chance 6:28 pm
claude -
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spies8camilla 6:29 pm
Claude, if you're going to bus me, bus me. But I'll have the last laugh when I flip citizen.
spies8claude has entered the room. 6:29 pm
spies8chance 6:29 pm
And then in the absolute next sentence, she says 'Yeahi t's okay to lynch that guy'
spies8camilla 6:29 pm
Claude, if you're going to bus me, bus me. But I'll have the last laugh when I flip citizen.
spies8broderick 6:29 pm
You may want to repeat that Camilla
Now chance is orange. Attack of the oranges
spies8camilla 6:29 pm
I did, Brod. h
spies8chance 6:29 pm
i still don't see how that's a contradiction. in both, she's advocating lynching a lurker/unhelpful.
no, i'm still aqua.
spies8camilla 6:30 pm
I'm gonna change my font color. i kind of dont like this color atm
spies8broderick 6:30 pm
Chance ws orange with his statement right after Claude entered
spies8claude 6:30 pm
"I'll have the last laugh when I flip Citizen!"
spoken like a true spy.
spies8camilla 6:30 pm
red
spies8broderick 6:30 pm
Teacher
That is correcting our homework
spies8gertrude 6:30 pm
Yes?
spies8chance 6:30 pm
hahaha.
spies8claude has left the room. 6:30 pm
spies8gertrude 6:30 pm
I'm assuming that's me.
spies8camilla 6:31 pm
His case against me is awful
spies8claude has entered the room. 6:31 pm
spies8broderick 6:31 pm
I was talking about Camilla and her 'red'
spies8gertrude 6:31 pm
Lag test?
spies8camilla 6:31 pm
oh lol h
spies8gertrude 6:31 pm
Oh, woah. Major lag.
spies8claude 6:31 pm
I am more convinced that Camilla is a spy after 5 minutes of her talking than I am after days of talking to Cory.
spies8camilla 6:31 pm
That's nice.
spies8claude 6:32 pm
I meant what I said. I'll stake my life on you being a Spy.
spies8camilla 6:32 pm
I will literally be loling if I get exiled.
spies8claude 6:33 pm
I'm sure you would. loling over what you perceive as being exiled over 'how you word things'
spies8isaac 6:33 pm
Well do the rest of us a favor and make your vote official in the forum so the rest of us can see the damning evidence that con vinced you of this because I'm apparently still missing it somewhere.
spies8claude 6:33 pm
Not realizing that how you've reacted in here is much morei mportant than that.
spies8cinnamyn has entered the room. 6:33 pm
spies8camilla 6:33 pm
go ahead and stake your life. Your case against me is invalid. I maintained a point. Essentially what I said was:
"I am against a no lynch, there are other alternatives to it, such as lynching someone who is unhelpful, even if they happen to be a cit."
hey cinn h
spies8claude 6:33 pm
lol
spies8chance 6:33 pm
'sup sweetness.
spies8cinnamyn 6:33 pm
hey yall
spies8claude 6:34 pm
You are contradicting yourself right there.
spies8camilla 6:34 pm
how?
enlighten me
spies8claude 6:34 pm
You just advocated lynching someone who is unhelpful, 'even if they happen to be a citizen'
spies8broderick 6:34 pm
Hi Cinnamyn
spies8gertrude 6:35 pm
Hey Cinnamyn!
spies8claude 6:35 pm
Initially in response to me(as well as earlier in this conversation), you said: "If you don't believe someone is a Spy, why vote for them?"
So which is it
spies8cinnamyn 6:35 pm
aye bbz i made a post in da vote thread cuz rite now im at margot & chance, wuznt gonna stay long but now dat margot b on imma ask her sum queschinz
spies8camilla 6:36 pm
Lynching someone who is unhelpful, AKA someone inactive.
spies8claude 6:36 pm
"Even if they happen to be a cit"
spies8broderick 6:36 pm
Margot is on?
spies8claude 6:36 pm
That is the curcial statement.
crucial
spies8claude 6:37 pm
Ultimately, in my estimation, you tried to pander to the town by saying that you 'shouldn't vote someone that you don't think is a Spy'
And didn't realize that your next statement effectively(and now, with your clarification, absolutely) contradicted that.
spies8chance 6:38 pm
only it doesn't, you realize.
spies8claude 6:38 pm
...
Of course it does.
spies8camilla 6:38 pm
I'm not going to argue about my alignment. If you think I'm a spy, go on and vote for me. But I'm finished arguing with someone that twists my words around in order to make me appear scummy when he knows that his name was on the chopping block.
spies8chance 6:38 pm
no, it doesn't.
look.
the two statements you say are alike are -
spies8claude 6:39 pm
Here is what she says:
Essentially what I said was:
"I am against a no lynch, there are other alternatives to it, such as lynching someone who is unhelpful, even if they happen to be a cit."
spies8camilla 6:39 pm
you fail to see reality and im not going to argue with someone delusional that enjoys bussing against innocent people.
spies8chance 6:39 pm
'don't think is a spy' and 'even if they happen to be a cit'.
spies8claude 6:39 pm
how do I change my text color back?
spies8broderick 6:39 pm
Nothing thinking someone a spy is not the same as thinking them a citizen. No reads are possible
spies8claude 6:39 pm
Now she is A)being defeatist and B)personally attacking me.
Both of these are ALSO scumtells.
spies8chance 6:39 pm
you can vote someone for being unhelpful and they could 'happen to be a cit'. that doesn't mean you 'didn't think they were a spy'.
spies8broderick 6:40 pm
*not thinking..
spies8claude 6:40 pm
lol
Putting aside that that was a really bad effort at playing semantics on your part.
spies8broderick 6:40 pm
If you are using AIm you can change it on the bottom
spies8claude 6:41 pm
What she said initially was: "If a person isn't going to be helpful to you at all, why keep them?"
spies8chance 6:41 pm
am i talking to claude or cory here?
spies8camilla 6:41 pm
No. I'm not. I'm not going to argue with you. I am not defeated. I just am not willing to defend my case against someone who will not listen to my case without declaring me scum.
i am willing to listen to your case and "will not stake my life" that you are scum.
spies8gertrude 6:42 pm
Just for the record, the distinction between the two statements is clear, and is not "just semantics."
I thought they were kinda contradictory at first as well, but now I can clearly see the disparity.
Sorry if that's a tad late.
spies8claude 6:42 pm
Go read the forum post in question.
Putting that part aside for a moment, Camilla's responses/attitude toward me since this started are also scummy.
spies8camilla 6:44 pm
I am the same as I've always been. You would have no idea how I normally am because this is the first time you have spoken to me.
spies8claude 6:44 pm
First, she accuses me of deflecting. A)I didn't. And B)She was trying to deflect, at that moment, making her a hypocrite.
spies8broderick 6:44 pm
If you plan on voting for her, I suggest putting it on record int he vote thread
spies8claude 6:44 pm
Then, she OMGUSes me, maybe without realizing it. And she personally attacks me.
She has absolutely faltered under pressure.
spies8cory has entered the room. 6:45 pm
spies8camilla 6:45 pm
i called you an idiot because your case against me started with my wording.
of all things you accused me of being scum for my wording.
spies8cory 6:45 pm
The philosoraptor has returned.
spies8cinnamyn 6:45 pm
o joy
spies8cory 6:45 pm
Cinnamyn ate my dinner.
spies8claude 6:45 pm
You didn't call me an idiot until WELL after I stated that I thought your wording was scummy.
Nice try.
spies8cinnamyn 6:45 pm
i dont no y u keep trustin' me wit' yo food..
spies8camilla 6:45 pm
yeah i did. i said it in the exact same sentence
spies8chance 6:46 pm
claude, i just looked back up and read.
spies8claude 6:46 pm
Then that is not what I am referring to(I can't go look since I closed the window earlier).
spies8claude 6:46 pm
I am referring to recently.
Not that it really matters.
spies8chance 6:46 pm
camilla's comment that you were deflecting happened well before you really laid into her.
i don't think she was being a hypocrite.
spies8claude 6:46 pm
Initially, when I started to question her, she accused me of deflecting to Cory.
spies8chance 6:47 pm
no, she didn't.
spies8claude 6:47 pm
Yes, she absolutely 100% did.
spies8chance 6:47 pm
the first thing she accused you of was deflecting onto her.
spies8broderick 6:47 pm
Hi Cory
spies8chance 6:47 pm
i know she did, but not initially.
spies8gertrude 6:47 pm
Hey there, Cory!
spies8chance 6:47 pm
'sup cory.
spies8claude 6:47 pm
I'm pretty sure that she tried to accuse me of deflecting onto Cory first.
spies8chance 6:48 pm
spies8camilla 6:11 pm
You are making me seem shady in order to deflect suspicion on you. Stop changing tactics.
camilla's first mention of deflection.
no, she didn't.
spies8camilla 6:48 pm
[17:11] spies8camilla: You are making me seem shady in order to deflect suspicion on you. Stop changing tactics.
spies8claude 6:48 pm
Accusing me of deflection there is a deflection in and of itself ANYWAY.
spies8broderick 6:48 pm
spies8camilla (16:11:58): You are making me seem shady in order to deflect suspicion on you. Stop changing tactics.
spies8camilla 6:48 pm
this was the first thing i said after defending myself against his (then) polite questions
spies8claude 6:48 pm
So by her own definition, she is using 'shady tactics'
spies8broderick 6:48 pm
two minutes later... spies8camilla (16:13:35): Who you have been directly suspecting since day one. and with all due respect, you have been on the chopping block since i came in. you have been discussing everything, when cory was in, you were trying to deflect suspicion onto him, now its me.
spies8chance 6:48 pm
irrelevant at the moment.
spies8claude 6:48 pm
And she did it repeatedly later.
No, it's absolutely not irrelevant.
spies8cory 6:49 pm
Hi English, Brod, Chance
Not paying attention yet. Helping Mary find something
spies8chance 6:49 pm
yes, it is.
spies8camilla 6:49 pm
i was not trying to deflect suspicion off of me.
spies8claude 6:49 pm
lol
of course you weren't
spies8camilla 6:49 pm
i was expressing my opinion on what i thought you were doing
there is a difference
spies8chance 6:49 pm
the relevant point at the moment is that you accused camilla of saying that you deflected onto cory first.
she didn't.
spies8claude 6:50 pm
That point doesn't matter.
spies8camilla 6:50 pm
exactly
spies8chance 6:50 pm
and i submit that at the time camilla mentioned that you were deflecting onto her, there really wasn't that much for her to be deflecting.
spies8camilla 6:50 pm
of course it doesnt
spies8claude 6:50 pm
What matters is that she accused me of deflecting, while in reality she was deflecting herself.
spies8chance 6:50 pm
you can't just arbitrarily say a point doesn't matter, claude.
oh, and you weren't deflecting at all, amirite?
again - there really wasn't that much for her to be deflecting.
spies8claude 6:50 pm
How could I be, I started the conversation in the first place.
You're right, there wasn't
spies8chance 6:50 pm
exactly.
spies8claude 6:50 pm
But she still did it.
spies8chance 6:51 pm
who was on the chopping block before you started the conversation, claude?
spies8claude 6:51 pm
That is MORE if a point against her.
spies8chance 6:51 pm
in what universe?
you're making less and less sense.
spies8isaac 6:51 pm
Wow, I love how you think you can make certain points important and others moot depending on what helps your case the most
spies8chance 6:51 pm
i think it might be exponential to the number of capital letters you're using.
spies8camilla 6:51 pm
Honestly, he began this bus against me because I posted a few quotes by him in the burg that made him seem scummy. in all reality, this is a childish attempt to get back at me.
spies8claude 6:51 pm
lol
spies8chance 6:51 pm
i don't think so, camilla.
i think this is spy!claude trying desperately not to be lynched.
spies8claude 6:52 pm
Is that why I asked you to clarify your feelings on Cory first?
spies8chance 6:52 pm
could just be me, though.
spies8claude 6:52 pm
Like I said.
If Camilla flips citizen, you can lynch me.
spies8chance 6:52 pm
yeah, cause that's not a scumtell at all.
spies8camilla 6:52 pm
No. That was a seperate issue. After that you began to start in on me.
spies8gertrude 6:52 pm
Quick interjection: Where I come from, a "bussing" is one Spy trying to get another Spy lynched. Is that correct here, as well?
spies8chance 6:52 pm
that's correct where i come from as well.
spies8claude 6:52 pm
Yes, that is actually what bussing means.
spies8gertrude 6:52 pm
Then why does Camilla keep saying she's being bussed?
spies8claude 6:52 pm
Camilla just keeps using the term out of context.
spies8gertrude 6:52 pm
Oh, ok.
spies8chance 6:52 pm
i'm going to go post the chat so far.

[Broderick]

spies8chance (16:53:50): i'm going to go post the chat so far.
spies8broderick (16:53:56): Isaac, Gertie, Lawrence any opinions?
spies8camilla (16:54:5): lol im relatively new to mafia so whatever
spies8cory (16:54:32): Someone mind explaining just what in the hell is going on?
spies8gertrude (16:54:38): Yes... I think. Claude seems to be grasping at straws, but the fact that every person is attacking him concerns me.
spies8broderick (16:54:39): A mess?
spies8camilla (16:54:48): claude is trying to exile me.
spies8cinnamyn (16:54:53): well i aint votin' claude and will not sooooooo
spies8cory (16:54:57): Claude trying to exile anyone but me is blasphemous
spies8camilla (16:54:57): based on how i worded things.
spies8broderick (16:55:1): What do you mean every person Gertie?
spies8gertrude (16:55:16): Well, of course that was an exaggeration.
spies8camilla (16:55:16): im not attacking him. im just defending myself.
spies8claude (16:55:22): Really?
spies8cory (16:55:23): Why is he trying to exile you?
spies8isaac (16:55:23): I've already stated mine and warned claude. I think he uses the wrong words and find it humorus he wants to make certain points clear and then ignores others that don't help his case. Tis is what gave us issues before
spies8cory (16:55:25): I missed that part.
spies8claude (16:55:38): You accused me of deflecting. You OMGUS'ed me. You called me names.
spies8claude (16:55:42): That is not 'defending yourself'
spies8broderick (16:55:45): Opinions on anyone else Isaac?
spies8gertrude (16:55:49): But Camilla and Chance are providing cases against Claude, and every five minutes or so Isaac will say something negative to Clause as well.
spies8gertrude (16:55:53): Like he just did.
spies8claude (16:55:57): That is 'panicked scum trying to geto uto f the spotlight by making their attacker look bad'
spies8lawrence (16:56:6): Sorry, just trying to keep up...and I type slow, so its hard to interject timly. I think yhis is making me stronger on Claude...but his points have some merit as well, so need to be kept in consideration for if he should flip cit.
spies8camilla (16:56:8): k.
spies8claude (16:56:9): get out of, rather.
spies8chance (16:56:25): if 'making points against' is considered attacking, then yes. i am absolutely attacking claude.
spies8gertrude (16:56:38): Yes, sorry. That's what I meant.
spies8broderick (16:56:45): Are you suspicious of Claude, Chance?
spies8chance (16:57:23): yes i am.
spies8camilla (16:57:28): laag
spies8broderick (16:57:43): Why are you suspicious of Claude?
spies8chance (16:58:8): for the following reasons.
spies8isaac (16:58:28): I think the distinction in the wording Cam used is definately there. Deliberate or not I'm not sure. But much of whats happening now seems similar to the Cory and Claude discussion that hppened the same way and went noweher so it's just interesting to see where this goes
spies8chance (16:58:31): one - he was eager to hammer on tina and cory when i was mistaken about them earlier, after previously pseudo-defending both.
spies8chance (16:58:56): two - he is apparently suspicious of tina for not bringing up her suspicion of hal publically, yet until pressed he did not bring up his suspicion of tina publically.
spies8cory (16:58:57): was I around for the pseudo defense? I don't recall it
spies8gertrude (16:58:58): Brb one moment!
spies8cory (16:59:12): Could have missed it though. I remember you mentioning it before.
spies8chance (16:59:24): three - he absolutely began the whole deflecting business on camilla.
spies8chance (16:59:59): cory - when i say 'pseudodefense', i mean that when i was mistaken about when your conversation with tina took place, claude was very quick to correct me, but then immediately flipped on tina (in my opinion).
spies8claude (17:00:1): I was already suspicious of them both, which I had obviously told to you. Your point(which I later found out was a mistake), amde them seem 100 times worse. It is naturally for me to get MORE suspicious of them at that point. Please provide evidence of me ever defending them, as the idea that I ever defended Cory is laughable.
spies8chance (17:00:12): claude - see above.
spies8mary (17:00:24): I'm caught up to the point where Camilla had two slightly different opinions on "no exile" versus exiling an unhelpful.
spies8cory (17:00:28): Chance: Got it
spies8broderick (17:00:34): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dems&thread=330
spies8broderick (17:00:41): There
spies8claude (17:00:59): I didn't express my suspicion towards Tina because I was only minorly suspicious of her, and we can't exile her either way, so what point is there in talking about her? Even when I did bring her up to you, it was only in relation to why I was more suspicious of Cory.
spies8claude (17:01:12): And 3)I never, ever deflected suspicion onto Camilla.
spies8mary (17:01:27): Did anyone agree with Claude's comment that Camilla was flailing?
spies8mary (17:01:38): It happened right before I came into the group, I think.
spies8claude (17:01:45): I read the forum post in question and it kind of bugged me, and then I noticed her 'I'm 50/50 on Cory' statement, and decided that was enough for me to approach her publicly.
spies8camilla (17:02:8): why did it take you like twenty minutes to respond to my im 50/50 on cory thing?
spies8chance (17:02:51): claude - i consider it deflecting because discussion was entirely on you at the moment, iirc, and then out of the blue you begin to question camilla. and in my opinion you've twisted her words more than once.
spies8camilla (17:02:55): provided you saw my post on the burg then saw my message in this chat?
spies8broderick (17:03:16): Thank you Chance
spies8claude (17:03:30): If discussion was 'on me', then how was it that Camilla felt compelled to comment on Cory?
spies8chance (17:03:34): no prob, brod.d
spies8claude (17:03:36): Obviously we were talking about cory.
spies8gertrude (17:03:56): Back!
spies8camilla (17:04:0): i commented on cory previously in order to inform you guys that i was still alive and paying attention to the chat
spies8camilla (17:04:11): apparently thats a wonderful base to begin your confrontation.
spies8mary (17:05:46): Also, was the accusation that Camilla OMGUSed Claude accurate?
spies8chance (17:06:4): you were still the topic of discussion at 5:59. brod mentioned me at 6:00, and i responded to him. we talked back and forth until 6:03, at which time you asked camilla about cory.
spies8chance (17:06:11): so i think you'll find that you started that discussion too, claude.
spies8chance (17:06:28): mary - it was, actually.
spies8chance (17:06:34): i think camilla was getting frustrated by that point.
spies8claude (17:06:45): What was the last time that *I* said anything in that conversation before asking Camilla about cory?
spies8camilla (17:07:7): i only told him he was an idiot because he stated that his case against me was based on my wording
spies8chance (17:07:19): spies8claude 5:58 pm
What Mary said isn't ultimately that important to me, because it only reinforced what I was already thinking.
spies8claude (17:07:23): You called me an idiot multiple times, as well as calling me delusional.
spies8camilla (17:07:39): i called you an idiot precisely once
spies8claude (17:07:42): Twice.
spies8camilla (17:07:59): i called you delusional after saying that i was no longer willing to argue with you.
spies8claude (17:07:59): I didn't even remember the first time, but apparently it was early.
spies8claude (17:08:3): And then much later.
spies8camilla (17:08:18): right.
spies8claude (17:08:19): Saying that you're not willing to argue is defeatist. A citizen never gives up arguing their own case.
spies8claude (17:08:26): Only a Spy that knows they're caught.
spies8chance (17:08:27): untrue.
spies8claude (17:08:33): Bull.
spies8chance (17:08:36): i've seen many a frustrated citizen give up.
spies8claude (17:08:43): Then they're bad and shouldn't play.
spies8camilla (17:08:44): im not willing to argue with someone that is not willing to see my side.
spies8claude (17:08:51): I asked you for your side.
spies8chance (17:08:53): i won't argue with you there.
spies8camilla (17:08:56): i provided it
spies8chance (17:08:56): but it's not necessarily spyish.
spies8claude (17:08:58): It only made me MORE convinced that you're a Spy.
spies8claude (17:09:13): It is very rare, in my experience, that a citizen just 'gives up'
spies8camilla (17:09:15): you chose to not see it.
spies8claude (17:09:19): It is almost always indicative of someone being a Spy.
spies8camilla (17:09:28): im not giving up. im just not arguing.
spies8claude (17:09:36): nice distinction
spies8isaac (17:09:38): The fact the she's still in here talking makes it not look like she hasn't given up anything
spies8camilla (17:09:38): just vote for me. see what happens.
spies8claude (17:09:45): I already did.
spies8camilla (17:09:57): i can see that.
spies8claude (17:10:18): Then why make that statement?
spies8chance (17:10:37): is there even a point to asking that question?
spies8claude (17:10:41): Sure.
spies8camilla (17:10:42): because i can
spies8camilla (17:10:54): i do believe i live in a free country, free to say what i want
spies8claude (17:11:1): She is being petulant now, which I again find to be anti-citizen.
spies8claude (17:11:5): lol
spies8camilla (17:11:9): i dont live in claude topia.
spies8claude (17:11:12): okay camilla. Fantastic defense.
spies8broderick (17:11:14): Now this is just getting a bit ridiculous
spies8chance (17:11:21): so the tactic claude is using is called witch-hunt.
spies8camilla (17:11:24): i agree.
spies8claude (17:11:27): I am flabberghasted that anyone can read any of this and not realize that Camilla is a Spy.
spies8camilla (17:11:47): i am flabbergasted that anyone can not read this and not believe that this is a ridiculous conversation.
spies8chance (17:11:53): in said tactic, a spy attacks a citizen repeatedly until that citizen looks spyish for defending themselves too much.
spies8claude (17:12:2): Yes, I am crusading against Camilla, on Day 1.
spies8claude (17:12:16): The part where I offered myself up to be Exiled if she flips Citizen is a great part of that tactic, I guess.
spies8claude (17:12:29): If you're going to make accusations against me, at least stick to ones that make sense.
spies8chance (17:12:41): claude, also, you do realize that saying you'll let yourself be exiled means a whole lot of nothing, right?
spies8camilla (17:12:42): and if a do flip citizen, you'll be taking that comment back.
spies8claude (17:12:47): No.
spies8claude (17:12:50): I will not take it back.
spies8claude (17:13:0): I like how you said 'if' there, also.
spies8claude (17:13:2): Not 'when'
spies8chance (17:13:11): how pro-town is that, claude?
spies8camilla (17:13:15): i enjoy how you tell me that im giving up, but if im exiled and flip citizen, you will essentially be giving up
spies8chance (17:13:16): answer: not very.
spies8claude (17:13:25): Sometimes, you just have to be all-in to convince people.
spies8broderick (17:13:34): Broderick is voting for ? Camilla is voting for Claude. Chance is voting for ? Cinnamyn is voting for Margot. Claude is voting for Camilla. Cory is voting for ? Gertie is voting for ? Isaac is voting for ? Lawrence is voting for Claude. Mary is voting for ?
spies8chance (17:13:41): 'oh, exile camilla and if she's not a spy you can lynch me... but surprise i'm not a spy either so you just got rid of two citizens, yay.'
spies8claude (17:13:53): I'm willing to take that chance with my life.
spies8chance (17:13:59): what happened to 'a citizen never gives up'?
spies8camilla (17:14:10): and like i said, you clearly do not value your own life much
spies8claude (17:14:13): I'd rather be a man of my word.
spies8chance (17:14:19): bull.
spies8claude (17:14:20): No, I do. I just am that confident that you're a Spy.
spies8claude (17:14:24): Not bull.
spies8camilla (17:14:59): well i cant convince you otherwise. anyone that is 100% sure that im a spy like claude over here is after speaking with me for about an hour, do join him.
spies8claude (17:15:11): That's not defeatism either, right?
spies8chance (17:15:28): oh? and yours isn't defeatism?
spies8claude (17:15:28): And I didn't need to speak with you for even an hour to be sure, it took about 5 minutes.
spies8camilla (17:15:33): its not. i cant control how people think.
spies8cinnamyn (17:15:37): aight yall u no where i stand so imma bounce 4 da nite and go out on da town.! c u tomorrow bbz
spies8camilla (17:15:42): then why are you still making this argument.
spies8chance (17:15:45): that's the second bit of double standard i've seen from you tonight, claude.
spies8chance (17:15:50): later sweetness.
spies8camilla (17:15:56): bye cinn <3
spies8claude (17:15:57): In my mind, it's not. Because I don't think there is any real chance that camilla is a citizen.
spies8mary (17:15:57): Claude, if you are a spy, you are very reckless.
spies8mary (17:16:12): If you are a Citizen, same applies.
spies8cinnamyn (17:16:14) has left the room.
spies8isaac (17:16:15): Neither one of you are making very good pro-citizen arguments at the moment. No citizen should ever use a lynch me and see what happens defense and no citizen should ever use the lynch me tomorrow defense if "person a" isn't a spy. This has never been a successful tactic i n any game I've ever played and am floored you too are mentioning them
spies8camilla (17:16:17): Right then.
spies8broderick (17:16:19): Chance, your first two points on Claude were before Camilla right?
spies8mary (17:16:26): Are you usually successful as a Citizen with this technique?
spies8broderick (17:16:31): But after Claude was against Cory?
spies8mary (17:16:34): Do you catch mafia?
spies8chance (17:16:36): yes, they were, brod.
spies8claude (17:16:42): Yes Mary.
spies8chance (17:16:45): everything was after claude was against cory.
spies8chance (17:16:49): claude was against cory from the start.
spies8claude (17:16:59): In a mafia game once, I caught a spy based off of one post. His/Her very first post of the game.
spies8camilla (17:17:19): thats nice
spies8mary (17:17:19): Can you explain?
spies8claude (17:17:22): I ran into the same things I am running into here, but I persevered, and was right.
spies8broderick (17:17:23): I dont recall you being suspicious of Claude before. Why does your third point, in relation to Camilla tip the scale?
spies8claude (17:17:27): No, I don't think I really should.
spies8claude (17:17:36): I don't want to get reported or w/e.
spies8chance (17:18:0): i began being suspicious of claude earlier today, when i was mistaken about the timing of the conversation between tina and cory.
spies8isaac (17:18:5): Why would you get reported?
spies8chance (17:18:8): point one.
spies8mary (17:18:16): I've seen you make several inaccurate observations, Claude.
spies8chance (17:18:19): it might be too revealing of his alias, 'zac.
spies8broderick (17:18:24): What do you mean mistaken of the timing?
spies8claude (17:18:26): I don't think we're supposed to provide a bunch of details about who we really are?
spies8mary (17:18:34): Maybe you got lucky that time you caught the mafia on the first post.
spies8claude (17:18:46): Like I said, Chance. Feel free to provide evidence of me 'subtlely defending Cory and tina'
spies8chance (17:18:47): it's all in the beginning of the chat, but i can go over it again if you like.
spies8claude (17:18:56): I've asked you to do so at least once(I believe twicE), and you have not.
spies8broderick (17:18:58): Beginning of what chat?
spies8chance (17:18:59): i already did. the fact that you chose to disregard it is your own fault.
spies8chance (17:19:2): this chat.
spies8claude (17:19:4): No, you didn't.
spies8chance (17:19:6): yes i did.
spies8chance (17:19:14): cory asked about it, i believe.
spies8mary (17:19:16): When did Claude defend Cory?
spies8broderick (17:19:18): Was i here when you discussed it?
spies8chance (17:19:23): no, brod.
spies8chance (17:19:27): i did post the chat in the burg though.
spies8camilla (17:19:27): it was earlier today i believe.
spies8chance (17:19:33): let's see.
spies8broderick (17:19:38): The chat you posted I was here for.
spies8chance (17:19:48): tina talked to cory about hal and his no exile comment.
spies8claude (17:19:49): The idea that I defended Cory, in any context, is laughable.
spies8broderick (17:19:51): It wasnt the entire chat, only seemed to deal with Camilla vs Claude
spies8chance (17:20:3): i remembered that sam didn't mention a no-exile vote was possible until after teams had been decided.
spies8mary (17:20:13): It sounds unusual, Claude. Then again, your attack on Cory hasn't been very effective.
spies8chance (17:20:20): so i thought that i had caught cory and tina talking to each other illegally, or in the spy hq.
spies8chance (17:20:22): i was pretty pumped for a while.
spies8claude (17:20:26): I was still attacking him after I supposedly defended him.
spies8chance (17:20:40): turns out i was mistaken, and hal's comment about no exile was unrelated to sam's post.
spies8broderick (17:20:59): Would this be the comment I copied/pasted twice?
spies8chance (17:21:9): claude, what i considered to be your defense of cory and tina was the fact that you were so quick to correct me about the both of them after i said they were talking illegally.
spies8broderick (17:21:15): The same comment that Awohali himself mentioned?
spies8claude (17:21:32): Wait, the part where I was RIGHT about it being after/alignment but before teams?
spies8chance (17:21:38): yeah, that.
spies8claude (17:21:48): I was explaining my own mindset/suspicions there, not trying to defend anyone else.
spies8chance (17:21:49): and then immediately after that came
spies8chance (17:21:54): 'i think tina and cory are both spies.'
spies8broderick (17:22:24): You realize you were in the chat when Awohali made the no lynch comment Chance?
spies8claude (17:22:26): When does the part where you determined that I was wrong about the timing(which I wasn't) come into play?
spies8mary (17:22:33): I have to go pick a friend up from the airport. I'll be back.
spies8mary (17:22:40) has left the room.
spies8chance (17:23:3): brod, if you'd like the technicalities, yes, i was physically in the chat, for about 26 seconds, like you said. it's very likely i wasn't looking at the screen at that time - i had probably shut my laptop.
spies8chance (17:23:31): claude - it doesn't, as it has no bearing on why i suspect you.
spies8broderick (17:24:8): This is a mess.
spies8camilla (17:24:21): i agree.
spies8broderick (17:24:25): Peanut Gallery?
spies8claude (17:24:28): That's what you think is me subtlely defending them, really? Trying to correct you on the timing of when everything happened?
spies8chance (17:24:43): it wasn't that you did it, it was that you were so quick to do it.
spies8claude (17:24:47): ...
spies8broderick (17:24:50): Episode 1: All About Claude
spies8claude (17:24:52): I thought you were wrong!
spies8broderick (17:24:57): With out the Bill Muray humor
spies8chance (17:25:15): oh, so that was just you being a knowitall?
spies8claude (17:25:28): I didn't want anything to be misconstrued.
spies8claude (17:25:35): That seems to be happening frequently.
spies8chance (17:26:4): given that i still think you were twisting camilla's words quite a lot, i don't think you've had much luck with not misconstruing things.
spies8claude (17:26:15): I twisted nothing.
spies8broderick (17:26:32): Let us set Claude down for awhile, and have some other type of discussion.
spies8claude (17:26:34): If someone can send me the chat log of this entire conversation, I'll post about it.
spies8claude (17:26:49): How you word things is critically relevant in forum based mafia.
spies8claude (17:27:4): I realize that right now, we're in chat. But the bit in question was a forum post.
spies8broderick (17:27:56): Lawrence, Isaac, Gertie, Cory?
spies8chance (17:28:28) has left the room.
spies8broderick (17:28:33): Gertie and Lawrence are chowing down
spies8chance (17:28:34) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (17:28:37): Isaac and Cory. Go
spies8chance (17:28:40): ugh, damn lag.
spies8chance (17:28:44): what did i miss?
spies8broderick (17:28:57): Me saying Gertie and Lawrence are chowing down
spies8claude (17:29:2): The forum statements that I initially referenced ARE a contradiction.
spies8camilla (17:29:17): ill brb.
spies8claude (17:29:50): I will admit that Broderick pointed out something that I said that can also be seen as a contradiction.
spies8claude (17:30:14): I had already largely admitted this before talking to/about Camilla. I'm not sure why I contradicted myself, but it reads like I did, so..fine.
spies8claude (17:30:27): Camilla's reaction to me was simply to be hostile and directly attack me.
spies8claude (17:31:9): That is not what a citizen does when suspicion is brought against them. They don't use double standards, they don't call you names, they don't OMGUS you.
spies8chance (17:31:16): claude - if you're talking about cam's two statements, they're still not a contradiction.
spies8claude (17:31:23): Yes, they are.
spies8chance (17:31:27): no, they aren't.
spies8chance (17:31:33): and you omgused me earlier.
spies8claude (17:31:38): No, I did not.
spies8chance (17:31:44): well, it's probably not defined as omgus.
spies8chance (17:31:48): it was when i was defending camilla.
spies8claude (17:31:50): I don't think that you're a Spy, and have specifically stated this.
spies8claude (17:32:1): You should not be defending Camilla.
spies8chance (17:32:2): i'm not sure what you'd call it, actually, but it falls under the category of personal attack.
spies8claude (17:32:10): She should be defending herself.
Spies8Awohali (17:32:36) has entered the room.
Spies8Awohali (17:32:48): Hello to all.
spies8claude (17:33:5): You are trying to create a seperation between my use of the phrase 'don't think is a Spy' and your use of the phrase 'may not be a spy'
spies8claude (17:33:14): There is none, they are effectively the same.
spies8claude (17:33:30): Except that, in response to me, Camilla says that you shouldn't vote for someone that you don't think is a Spy.
spies8claude (17:33:51): And in response to you, she says that it's okay to vote for someone that is 'being unhelpful' even if they might not be a spy.
spies8claude (17:34:8): She tried to play up to 'what a citizen should say', and failed.
spies8broderick (17:34:21): Hi Awohali
Spies8Awohali (17:34:48): It is good to see the discussion is lively tonight so far.
spies8chance (17:34:50) has left the room.
spies8claude (17:35:10): And then, at the end(I didn't see this until just now), she tries to play up the idea that we 'might not have a spy on our team' to promote just getting rid of someone who 'won't help us'
spies8broderick (17:35:29): Who are you suspicious of Cory?
spies8broderick (17:35:59): Who are you suspicious of Isaac??
spies8cory (17:37:17): Margot
spies8cory (17:37:25): Iffy on Claude
spies8cory (17:37:28): Gut tells me he's not a Spy
spies8cory (17:37:51): I was suspicious of Chance for a while, but it never got beyond bad vibes
spies8broderick (17:38:0): Why Margot?
spies8cory (17:38:5): She's around but not doing anything
spies8cory (17:38:9): Sitting on the sidelines
spies8cory (17:38:21): While all this drama brews
spies8broderick (17:38:30): Is she even online?
spies8cory (17:38:41): She was just on today
spies8cory (17:38:44): Saw her last night
spies8cory (17:38:49): Or maybe it was the night before
spies8cory (17:39:31): The game so far has been focused around a select group of people
spies8cory (17:39:53): People outside of that group are ones I am concerned about at this point of the game
Spies8Awohali (17:40:2): That is usually the sign of the Mafia controlling the focus
spies8cory (17:40:7): Lawrence and Isaac have stepped up a bit in the past 24 hours
spies8cory (17:40:18): Maybe.
spies8cory (17:40:28): I don't get that feeling
spies8cory (17:40:30): This feels like chaos to me
spies8broderick (17:40:49): I agree with the chaos feeling. As well as it being focused on a select few.
spies8cory (17:40:55): First it was me, the nit was Mary, then it was me again, then it was Chance vs Claude, then Claude vs Camilla
Spies8Awohali (17:41:6): It is a good thing that we have over 24 hours to de-chaos it, then.
spies8claude (17:41:34): afk; swimming
spies8cory (17:41:37): Lol.
spies8cory (17:41:47): Anyways
spies8cory (17:41:53): I want the quiet ones to get on record about...
spies8broderick (17:41:53): Okay
spies8cory (17:41:54): I dunno
spies8cory (17:41:55): SOMETHING
spies8cory (17:42:10): My vote is on Margot right now
spies8cory (17:42:16): I cast it this afternoon
spies8cory (17:42:27): How about you, Broderick? Still Claude?
spies8broderick (17:42:39): Mind recoding that in the vote tally thread and the suspicion thread?
spies8cory (17:42:45): I did, actually
spies8cory (17:42:47): Before you even asked
spies8broderick (17:42:52): Oh
spies8cory (17:43:23): Not the disdain towards the quiet players part, but the Margot / Claude part I did
spies8cory (17:43:46): Hi Awohali. You missed a ton of drama.
spies8cory (17:43:53): Thoughts so far?
spies8broderick (17:43:59): After I went through the majority of the posted chat segments last night, I wasn't liking Claude and his contradictions. Nor Chance and his fence riding.
spies8cory (17:44:23): Actually, the fence riding is what got me bad vibes about Chance
spies8broderick (17:44:28): I really dont like how I seem to be busy when some of these 'parties' occur
spies8cory (17:44:29): But he's since taken some more firm stances
spies8cory (17:44:57): Including taking on all three of Claude, myself, and Tina all at once. Lol.
Spies8Awohali (17:45:17): It seems as if I have missed a ton, for certain. I'm reading our forum at the moment while keeping tabs here. I'm sure I will have questions in a moment, if any of you would not mind clearing some things up for me,.
spies8broderick (17:45:24): Taking on as in 'investigating' right?
spies8cory (17:45:50): He thought we three were spies together and fudged our "story" about Awohali's no-exile comment
spies8cory (17:45:55): I think he posted about it.
spies8cory (17:45:59): And the resulting chat is in that thread.
spies8isaac (17:46:19): Ok, I'll get caught up on this chat in a few minutes. Just finalizing my vote and suspicions to post in the burg then I'll be back here
Spies8Awohali (17:46:44): It is odd that he would think that you made up that story, considering I posted two nights ago that I had in fact said what I was quoted to have saidl
spies8cory (17:47:42): Timing was his concern apparently. He didn't know that the teams weren't until the following day
spies8cory (17:47:45): Apparently Claude didn't either
spies8cory (17:47:53): So that I spoke with Trina that night didn't add up to either of them.
spies8cory (17:47:56): Tina
spies8broderick (17:48:22): I gather he thought the two of you spoke illegally after teams had been officially decided
Spies8Awohali (17:48:28): Ah, I can see how, ignoring the actual progression of the game and time itself, that would make sense.
spies8cory (17:49:14): Chance's suspicion rested more in the fact that Sam didn't announce the no-exile option until an hour after the opening chat closed
Spies8Awohali (17:49:24): This is why it is always wise to get facts straight and a timeline completed before using something as "concrete" evidence.
spies8cory (17:49:31): And since we were on opposite teams, we couldn't possibly have discussed it unless we were Spies together
spies8cory (17:49:43): Since he was under the assumption that the teams had been decided right after opening chat ended
spies8claude (17:49:57): Actually, I initially thought(and said) that I thought that your conversation w/ Tina took place before teams were announced.
spies8broderick (17:49:59): What?
spies8claude (17:50:7): Chance said otherwise, so, I assumed he was correct.
spies8broderick (17:50:10): Chance was in the post opening chat for awhile before he left
Spies8Awohali (17:50:31): Chance specifically told you that they talkeds after teams were announhced?
spies8claude (17:50:48): Yes, but he later found out that he was mistaken.
spies8cory (17:50:56): We talked around 1 AMish board time after opening chat
spies8cory (17:51:2): But he thought that teams had been decided by then
spies8cory (17:51:12): When in fact they were decided at around 730 AM board time
spies8cory (17:51:22): So he assumed either we never spoke
spies8cory (17:51:26): Or we spoke through some other medium
Spies8Awohali (17:51:27): Confusion abounds in the Burg.
spies8isaac (17:51:28) has left the room.
Spies8Awohali (17:51:48): I can see how that would happen in an honest fashion, though.
spies8claude (17:51:55): Yeah.
spies8cory (17:51:57): Yes this has all been cleared up
spies8cory (17:52:0): Just giving a recap. Lol.
spies8claude (17:52:4): That part was a misunderstanding on Chance' part, and is not a big deal.
spies8cory (17:52:32): I'm explaining why I like the fact he actually bothered to look into it.
Spies8Awohali (17:53:29): If anyone appears bad from that situation, Tina would be it, for me.
spies8broderick (17:54:7): I agree
spies8broderick (17:54:18): She took that quote out of context
spies8claude (17:54:26): I also agree, but I don't think we can get very far with that, considering that we can't talk to her.
spies8broderick (17:54:41): She may of stretched it even
spies8broderick (17:55:2): But yes, she isnt on our team so really a waste of time to discuss her
Spies8Awohali (17:55:3): She is not on our team, of course, so not much can be done, but I will watch her posts closely for future questioning. Unfortunately, I'm at a blank as to who on our team is looking worse than anyone else currently.
spies8cory (17:56:2): Has anyone spoken in depth with Magalie?
spies8cory (17:56:11): She's another one of those people I know next to nothing about.
spies8broderick (17:56:19): Not really
spies8cory (17:56:27): And Lilith has all but vanished.
spies8broderick (17:56:37): She said she would be back late tonight
spies8cory (17:56:37): In her case it's not suspect at all
spies8broderick (17:56:51): Lilith anyhow
spies8cory (17:56:55): Ok good to know
Spies8Awohali (17:56:55): I sadly have not spoken in depth with anyone yet. I hope that being online all night tonight will alleviate some of that.
spies8broderick (17:57:55): Do you plan on repsonding to my comments in the 'Homegrl got sum queschinz.!' thread, Claude?
spies8broderick (18:00:14): Egh. Forgot he went swimming
spies8broderick (18:00:38): out of seven people, three are actually present
spies8claude (18:00:42): I'm here.
spies8claude (18:00:46): I'll go look for theml.
Spies8Awohali (18:00:57): I would hope that your computer is waterproof.
spies8cory (18:01:5): Lol.
spies8cory (18:01:11): I was thinking the same thing actually.
Spies8Awohali (18:01:22): And also that you're wearing rubber all over your body!
spies8claude (18:02:10): heh
spies8claude (18:02:17): Is this what you're asking me to respond to?
spies8claude (18:02:17): I do think you're pushing Cory a bit hard over what seemss like little. And that last statement needs a little clarification...while I don't think there would ever be a pont this came up--are you saying that if you truly didn't think anyone was a aspy you wouldn't ote no exile? Or just that you don't think you'd ever have a point where you thought nobody could be a aspy?

spies8broderick (18:03:14): huh?
spies8claude (18:03:46): Is that statement what you are asking me to respond to?
spies8broderick (18:04:14): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dems&thread=314&page=1#1185
spies8broderick (18:04:39): I dont think I sdaid what you quoted
spies8broderick (18:05:45): Please in the thread
spies8claude (18:05:56): Oh, that was lawrence
spies8claude (18:06:16): I don't know what you want me to respond to then; I responded to your earlier post in chat earlier today
spies8claude (18:07:0): Are you talking about this?:
spies8claude (18:07:1): [If you had already discussed Cory with Mary in regards to both of yours conversations with him. Why repeat? What do you mean 'seemed like people thought it was more than that'? You said 'Mary said he did the same to her'.]
spies8broderick (18:07:14): oh lord jesus
Spies8Awohali (18:07:58): I am fairly certain that he is talking about the post that he just linked to.
spies8claude (18:11:24): I already addressed most of the questions in that post
spies8claude (18:11:36): There are apparently a couple more directed to me, so okay..
spies8claude (18:12:0): I'll just post that in the forums, I guess.
spies8broderick (18:12:36): Please, for the record readdress them all. Rather not have to go searching through chat logs to find the answers Thanks
spies8gertrude (18:13:12): Hey there, guys, I'm back from dinner.
spies8broderick (18:13:24): Hi Gertie
spies8gertrude (18:13:52): I apologize for my absense.
spies8gertrude (18:13:58): absence*
spies8broderick (18:19:7): We all gotta eat, shouldnt apologize for that
spies8gertrude (18:21:11): Ha. That we do.
spies8gertrude (18:21:24): I see the chat is quite lively.
Spies8Awohali (18:21:49): It's almost unbearable how lively it is.
spies8gertrude (18:21:55): Awohali!
spies8gertrude (18:21:56): Hello!
Spies8Awohali (18:22:8): Hello indeed! It is nice to talk to you with the game in full swing now.
spies8gertrude (18:22:8): I don't believe we've met.
Spies8Awohali (18:22:35): Briefly and indirectly, but before the teams or game had really set off.
spies8gertrude (18:22:55): Ah, ok. I apologize for forgetting!
Spies8Awohali (18:23:40): It is OK, you were, after all, busy playing a chat mafia game.
spies8gertrude (18:24:9): Ah. Yes.
spies8gertrude (18:24:14): How have you been since?
Spies8Awohali (18:24:54): Busy, of course. The one night I was able to devout hours to AIM, my AIM password was not allowing me in, so now I am in catch up mode - not the red condiment, though.
spies8gertrude (18:25:12): Ha. A play on words.
spies8gertrude (18:25:13): Love it.
Spies8Awohali (18:25:52): I thought that a teacher of literature would appreciate that!
spies8gertrude (18:26:29): I do, indeed.
spies8gertrude (18:27:11): So, how are you feeling about the exile?
Spies8Awohali (18:27:53): Lost., to put it deftly. I have not had the time to appropriately absorb everyone's personalities yet.
Spies8Awohali (18:28:54): Judging from the forum posts, which are currently my best source of investigative material, I am concerned of Claude but not ready to vote for him. I would like to learn more of the perceived suspicion of Margot. I have heard that she is "around but without a presence" but I would like to hear the details regarding that.
spies8gertrude (18:29:54): Hmm, I agree.
spies8claude (18:30:39): Okay Broderick, I addresses your questions(the ones that I found)
spies8gertrude (18:31:2): However, it seems odd to me that Claude, after making himself so visible by targeting Cory, suddenly decided to switch entirely.
Spies8Awohali (18:31:28): Yes... Claude, I will admit that your actions quite confuse me.
spies8claude (18:32:36): I'm still suspicious of Cory
spies8claude (18:32:45): I'm just more(much more) suspicious of Camilla now.
Spies8Awohali (18:32:55): The reason being?
spies8claude (18:33:24): Once someone sends me the chat logs from the whole day(I had to close the chat earlier and lost alot of content), I'll make a forum post detailing it all.
spies8claude (18:33:36): A big part of the reason, as I've said earlier, is some of her forum statements.
spies8claude (18:33:38): Sec
spies8gertrude (18:34:1): Actually, I agree with that second bit.
spies8gertrude (18:34:11): Something about her forum posts makes my gut turn.
spies8claude (18:34:17): spies8claude: (10:09:34 PM)I would generally vote someone that I don't think is a spy before voting no exile

I agree, No Exile is a waste, but if you don't believe the person is a spy, why vote for them? There are other alternatives.

*spies8chance: (10:09:50 PM)in my book, getting rid of someone who may not be a spy, but is unhelpful/not participating is almost as good as getting rid of a spy. especially early on.

This seems perfectly logical to me, if the person isn't going to help you at all, why keep them? It's not like we're in a constant state of lylo or anything. I think the 'especially early on' validates this point, and I agree. I don't think it's 'almost as good' but its better than N/L.
spies8claude (18:34:23): Those are the ones that I took issue with
spies8claude (18:34:45): I find there to be a tremendous contradiction between them, and it really just reads like she is trying to say whatever is the most pro-citizen thnig to say each time.
spies8gertrude (18:35:30): Eh. I can see the distinction.
spies8claude (18:35:35): She tried to talk her way out of it, in the process calling me names, accusing me of deflecting when I didn't(which made her guilty of deflection herself), OMGUSing me, being defeatism. General scum tells, but I don't have the chat transcript to point it out now.
Spies8Awohali (18:35:37): I would call that a secondary contradiction rather than a primary one.
spies8claude (18:36:4): To me, it was indicative of an insincere mindset.
spies8claude (18:36:21): I don't think someone makes the statement that she made to me, and immediately follows with what was said to Chance.
Spies8Awohali (18:36:24): The essence of nboting voting someone you don't suspect is contradicted, but the difference between voting someone you actually don't think is a Spy and voting someone you see as useless early on is significant.
spies8claude (18:37:18): Sure, except that she was agreeing with Chance's statement, which was 'getting rid of someone that may not be a Spy'
spies8gertrude (18:37:33): Just because you think a spread isn't butter doesn't mean you think it's margarine.
spies8claude (18:37:38): The two sentiments are extremely similar(Camilla and Chance have both stated this in chat).
spies8claude (18:37:47): But she had extremely different responses to them.
Spies8Awohali (18:37:57): I would say that at the moment, everyone in the game falls under the "may not be a Spy" category.
spies8claude (18:38:14): That is clearly not the context that it was meant it.
spies8claude (18:38:41): When Chance says 'someone that may not be a Spy, but is being unhelpful', he is obviously allowing for the possibility of them being a citizen.
Spies8Awohali (18:39:0): But isn't there a possibility of everyone being a citizen currently?
spies8claude (18:39:5): No.
spies8claude (18:39:9): There aer 7 spies in the game.
spies8claude (18:39:21): So there is obviously not a possibility of everyone being a citizen..
Spies8Awohali (18:39:28): Yes, but which people are you certain are Spies? If there is no answer, then everyone "might" be a Citizen.
spies8gertrude (18:39:41): Well, technically speaking
spies8gertrude (18:39:47): everyone COULD be a citizen.
spies8claude (18:39:52): I'm frustrating that I don't have the chat logs from earlier, because I didn't come into this convinced that she was a Spy. I asked her probing questions.
spies8gertrude (18:39:54): Meaning the Democrats.
spies8claude (18:40:10): And she completely failed in her responses to them, which is when I became convinced that she is a Spy.
spies8gertrude (18:40:13): but THAT is an example of semantics, ha.
Spies8Awohali (18:40:21): That is a nice point, Getrude.
Spies8Awohali (18:40:49): Perhaps she will be able to provide pieces of the aforementioned chat, then, at a lature time.
spies8claude (18:41:5): I'm sure someone will post them at some point today.
spies8broderick (18:41:36): You don't archive your chats?
spies8claude (18:41:57): I didn't archive that portion of the group chat
spies8claude (18:42:14): This is my first experience with chat mafia, so I'm adjusting. I"m used to forum-based, where everything is always recorded.
spies8broderick (18:42:17): You dont automatically have it selected in settings? You do it by hand?
spies8claude (18:42:34): I don't have it automatically selected, no..
spies8broderick (18:42:39): You should
spies8claude (18:42:40): I don't usually use AIM at all, I use Trillian
spies8claude (18:42:48): I specifically had to install AIM(which I dislike) for this.
Spies8Awohali (18:42:49): Ah, group chat. That is fortunate, as this means someone may post the entire transcript. It would serve you well to include chat logging, too, though.
spies8claude (18:42:53): so I'm not that familiar with it's commands.
spies8broderick (18:43:6): file > Settings
spies8gertrude (18:43:6): its*
spies8broderick (18:43:10): F7?
spies8gertrude (18:43:10): Sorry.
spies8claude (18:43:10): I don't even know where to go to change settings or w/e
spies8mary (18:43:47) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (18:43:52): Settings > Archives, select both options
spies8mary (18:43:58): Hi.
spies8claude (18:43:58): Yeah, I found it.
spies8claude (18:44:2): That's certainly more convenient.
spies8gertrude (18:44:3): Hey there, Mary!
Spies8Awohali (18:44:10): Osiyo, Mary.
spies8broderick (18:44:16): Hi Mary
spies8broderick (18:44:39): I thought Chance posted the part which included you and Camilla, Claude
spies8chance (18:45:46) has entered the room.
spies8chance (18:45:52): 'sup guys. my internet seems to be working again.
spies8broderick (18:45:54): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dems&action=display&thread=329
spies8claude (18:45:56): The entire thing? Where at?
spies8broderick (18:45:58): Hi Chance
Spies8Awohali (18:46:3): Hello Chance.
spies8chance (18:46:6): 'sup hal.
spies8chance (18:46:8): 'sup brod.
spies8gertrude (18:46:12): Hey there, Chance!
spies8chance (18:46:15): 'sup gertie.
spies8chance (18:46:26): so have i missed anything interesting?
Spies8Awohali (18:46:32): Of course.
spies8claude (18:46:51): Not really.
spies8chance (18:46:59): which is it?
spies8chance (18:47:8): one of you guys is a liar and thus a spy.
Spies8Awohali (18:47:18): Claude is swimming with his computer.

[Chance]

this part should actually be before the first post.

spies8chance (2:29:57 PM): 'sup cin.
spies8cinnamyn (2:30:15 PM): ayyye boo iz ppl talkin' in here.?
spies8chance (2:30:23 PM): nope.
spies8cinnamyn (2:30:31 PM): lmbo.! aight den
spies8chance (2:30:33 PM): i think larry is away.
spies8jasmine (2:58:28 PM): Hello.
spies8chance (2:59:00 PM): 'sup jas.
spies8jasmine (2:59:41 PM): What's new, everybody?
spies8cinnamyn (3:01:27 PM): ayyyyyye jasmine
spies8cinnamyn (3:01:35 PM): i jus' seen da new toy story dat shit wuz reel kewt.!
spies8jasmine (3:02:06 PM): Nice cinnamyn! I need to rent the first two to remind myself and get to seeing it.
spies8jasmine (3:02:09 PM): I loved them as a kid.
spies8chance (3:02:21 PM): i saw wolverine - origins the other night.
spies8jasmine (3:04:32 PM): I don't think I seen that preview.
spies8jasmine (3:04:35 PM): Sounds manly, Chance.
spies8jasmine (3:07:36 PM): Are we getting any farther with this vote?
spies8jasmine (3:08:07 PM): Are we going to schedule a group chat of some sort, tonight?
spies8cinnamyn (3:08:32 PM): i mean i am pretty much narowed down but i think im 1 of da few ppl dat iz
spies8jasmine (3:08:47 PM): Who are you narrowed down to?
spies8cinnamyn (3:09:02 PM): margot n' chance
spies8jasmine (3:09:23 PM): If I had to vote off the drama thats happen thus far, I could narrow it down as well. However, I'm also considering if it's dumb to vote a lurker/inactive.
spies8chance (3:09:24 PM): i'm considering a mags vote if nothing better shows up. i'm pondering brod too, though.
spies8jasmine (3:09:38 PM): So it's just based on the people around, for you guys?
spies8chance (3:10:01 PM): well, if i don't end up with a good suspicion, i'll try and get rid of someone who's unhelpful/not participating.
spies8chance (3:10:05 PM): i think i've already explained that.
spies8cinnamyn (3:10:20 PM): i think theys more den enuf suspishin 2 ote
spies8jasmine (3:10:34 PM): mmhmm, just wondering how many peple felt like it was dumb to do that.
spies8jasmine (3:11:08 PM): Awohali psoted this on the board: "Basing suspicions off of characters created before the game began is not the wisest of moves. I would be more interested in seeing people's actions and attitudes towards actual aspects of the game, rather than artificial personalities created to have an identity within the game. "
spies8cinnamyn (3:11:54 PM): which i agree wit'
spies8chance (3:12:14 PM): i agree also.
spies8jasmine (3:12:21 PM): And isn't most of the drama that happen thus far been based on character shit?
spies8jasmine (3:12:28 PM): Claude said himself that he was confused about the whole thing
spies8jasmine (3:12:32 PM): Cory's character has an ego.
spies8jasmine (3:12:34 PM): mary's is emo.
spies8chance (3:12:54 PM): claude's is arrogant.
spies8cinnamyn (3:12:55 PM): tha drama, may b, but not da suspishins (except 4 claude'z on cory but i think he da only 1 dat thinks dat)
spies8chance (3:13:07 PM): yeah, claude still is dead set on cory being a spy.
spies8jasmine (3:13:22 PM): oh hm, thats true.
spies8jasmine (3:13:35 PM): Does he sitll think mary is?
spies8jasmine (3:13:36 PM): still*
spies8cinnamyn (3:13:38 PM): wut r u thinkin' jasmine.? vote wise
spies8chance (3:13:57 PM): he's in here, ask him yourself. :-P
spies8jasmine (3:14:08 PM): I was thinking Claude based on all the drama. I think him going from Cory to then suspecting Mary was so scummy.
spies8jasmine (3:14:10 PM): He don't tlk
spies8jasmine (3:14:17 PM): Claude is like a mute in these chats lately
spies8jasmine (3:14:18 PM): lol
spies8claude (3:14:28 PM): I never really said much about Mary
spies8cinnamyn (3:14:32 PM): hm, well i dont think claude b a gud vote
spies8claude (3:14:44 PM): It bugged me that she kept asking everyone else 'who do you think is a spy'
spies8chance (3:14:58 PM): why should that bug you?
spies8jasmine (3:14:59 PM): Do you still suspect her/
spies8claude (3:15:00 PM): But later when she was on and I talked to her for awhile, she seemed fine.
spies8cinnamyn (3:15:04 PM): without him, we neva wud have goten started in da chat and we wud still b where da repubs b at rite now..2 dayz til exile wit' nothin' 2 go on
spies8jasmine (3:15:16 PM): So you kind of got over you inially thinking she was a spy??
spies8claude (3:15:34 PM): I was suspicious of her at first; then I talked to her and now I'm not.
spies8chance (3:15:37 PM): cin, are you giving claude a pass based on his activity jump-start?
spies8claude (3:15:39 PM): But I still think Cory is a Spy.
spies8cinnamyn (3:15:45 PM): 4 rite now, yes
spies8chance (3:15:54 PM): so are you saying you don't suspect him?
spies8jasmine (3:16:06 PM): i think him suspecting cory and creating the chaos is scummy. just because a spy would want to get all into the game right away. imo.
spies8chance (3:16:08 PM): also, claude - why is asking who someone thinks is a spy apparently spyish?
spies8cinnamyn (3:16:21 PM): if he continuez to push cory with a case dat iz flawed, and wastez all his energy on him instead of lookin' at a broad view, den i will think he b more shady, but until dem, i dont think a vote 4 him b gud
spies8chance (3:16:56 PM): so you don't think the way he's pushing cory right now is shady, but you will if he continues?
spies8jasmine (3:17:03 PM): What about the bandwagon that was..the vote for Awohale? or watever his name was. Who started that/Who was like attached to the idea?
spies8cinnamyn (3:17:10 PM): yez, i aint gonna punish sumbody 4 bringin' up a case
spies8chance (3:17:16 PM): if all he's done up to now is push cory, then he can't have done anything else, right? so really you can't think much about him one way or another.
spies8cinnamyn (3:17:46 PM): i think sum1 takin' da iniciative and puttin' dey neck out dere b citizenlyke
spies8jasmine (3:17:58 PM): Was brod the one to bring up the awohale thing? am i right, thinking that?
spies8claude (3:18:06 PM): From what I can tell, it was Tina(not a Democrat) that really started things w/ Awohali
spies8chance (3:18:21 PM): and cory after that, i think.
spies8jasmine (3:18:45 PM): ya, but someone brought it up to us. I was in a chat with like Chance, Cory, Mary, and some other people and it was brought up and multiple people were feeling him for a first lynch based solely on that.
spies8claude (3:18:46 PM): Well, she said something to Cory(privately, which bugs me), and then he talked about it to someone else, but apparently didn't try to make a big deal out of it.
spies8jasmine (3:18:51 PM): oh.
spies8chance (3:19:18 PM): why does that bug you, claude?
spies8chance (3:19:23 PM): did it happen before or after teams?
spies8claude (3:20:01 PM): after alignment
spies8claude (3:20:13 PM): before repub/demo
spies8chance (3:20:22 PM): okay, when did sam tell us we could vote no exile?
spies8chance (3:20:26 PM): was that before or after teams?
spies8claude (3:20:59 PM): Also before.
spies8chance (3:21:51 PM): wrong.
spies8cinnamyn (3:21:56 PM): jasmine, do u think claude inteltionally cauzed drama.?
spies8chance (3:21:58 PM): it's right there in sam's post about teams.
spies8claude (3:22:00 PM): Oh. Before?
spies8jasmine (3:22:05 PM): one second, drama in my household
spies8claude (3:22:09 PM): Thought someone said this all happened after.
spies8chance (3:22:10 PM): sam didn't tell us we could vote no exile until after teams were decided.
spies8claude (3:22:35 PM): That does make sense, though.
spies8claude (3:22:41 PM): Hmmm.
spies8jasmine (3:22:44 PM): Do I think he intentionally caused drama?
spies8jasmine (3:22:45 PM): Yea.
spies8jasmine (3:22:47 PM): I think somewhat
spies8cinnamyn (3:22:56 PM): in wut way.? all he did wuz say he wuz suspishis of cory
spies8chance (3:22:57 PM): so hal would have had to have made his comment about the no exile votes after teams were decided.
spies8chance (3:23:06 PM): which means tina mentioned it to cory after teams were decided.
spies8chance (3:23:34 PM): or tina and cory are spies together?
spies8jasmine (3:23:59 PM): I think he knew the reaction was gunna be all retard. and then he also brought up thinking mary was spy after the cory thing was dying out--maybe it was to keep a discussion going, but i thought it was jsut for drama.
spies8jasmine (3:24:25 PM): spies8cory 4:22 pm
(4:22:41 PM): Jasman!

(4:22:46 PM): Sorry... Jasmine.


(4:22:47 PM): Lol.
spies8jasmine 4:24 pm
(4:24:20 PM): OH FUCK YOU
spies8claude (3:24:26 PM): I think Tina and Cory are both spies, yes.
spies8chance (3:24:44 PM): but you just said it happened before. not after.
spies8chance (3:24:55 PM): and since when do you think tina's a spy? this is the first i've heard of that.
spies8isaac (3:25:04 PM): Good afternoon all. Don't mind me just yet don't want to interuppt the conversation just reading and seeing whats going on here before I jump in.
spies8cinnamyn (3:26:11 PM): but jasmine if u haz suspishins against sum1 who iz known 2 b a little volatile (cory..) den wut wud u do.?
spies8cinnamyn (3:26:23 PM): remember cory wuznt in da room at da time claude made hiz suspishins known
spies8claude (3:26:45 PM): I already thought it was suspicious that Tina chose to chat privately with Cory, of all people.
spies8claude (3:26:54 PM): If it was after teams were decided, then it seems pretty cut and dry.
spies8chance (3:26:55 PM): claude, you initially said that tina talked to cory before teams were decided.
spies8chance (3:27:10 PM): granted, it could have been confusion, but you're one person i can't really picture being confused.
spies8chance (3:27:24 PM): so for you to turn right around and say that you think tina and cory are both spies together... that seems awfully shady.
spies8claude (3:27:25 PM): I thought it was after alignment, but b efore teams
spies8chance (3:27:51 PM): because it looks like you were subtly defending both (even though you've been hammering on cory), but then when i bring up when it happened, you turn right around and hammer both.
spies8chance (3:27:55 PM): looks like damage control.
spies8isaac (3:29:16 PM): Ok, I'm a little confused claude. I thought when this was discussed the other day all you mentioned was that Cory "rubbed you the wrong way" and it was dicussed at length as to why. Since when was Tina dragged into all of this and why only mention it now if it happened early in the game?
spies8chance (3:29:45 PM): isaac, apparently tina started the movement on hal and mentioned it to cory.
spies8chance (3:30:30 PM): now that i think about it, i seem to remember cory saying something about tina asking him to bring it up to his team if they were split up.
spies8chance (3:30:34 PM): bah, let me go see if i can find it.
spies8chance (3:32:15 PM): spies8cory (3:34:52 PM):Last night I was talking to Tina(before the split) and she mentioned something he said in the group chat about a no-exile being a valid tactic if we were to know that all the Spies were on one team.
spies8chance (3:32:30 PM): it can't have been before the split because sam didn't mention the no-exile vote until after the split.
spies8isaac (3:33:34 PM): I agree, I don't recall no-exile being discussed before the live group even and I was one for probably an hour or so before Sam did that
spies8jasmine (3:37:29 PM): He annouced it in the chat
spies8jasmine (3:37:31 PM): didn't he?
spies8chance (3:37:35 PM): spies8cory (11:55:09 PM): She planned to confront him but asked that I do it if she were to be stuck on the other team without him
spies8chance (3:39:55 PM): i don't believe so. i just went through the opening chat transcript, ctrl+fing "judge sam" and didn't him mention it anywhere.
spies8cinnamyn (3:40:00 PM): i wish da awohali shit aint neva happened, cuz da whole situation confuzes my azz way more den i think it helps us
spies8cinnamyn (3:40:19 PM): im chattin' wit jasmine so if u find sumthin' damming can u post it 2 da board.?
spies8chance (3:40:41 PM): claude's gone awfully quiet now.
spies8chance (3:40:46 PM): interesting.
spies8jasmine (3:40:47 PM): he always does, chance
spies8jasmine (3:40:49 PM): :-\
spies8isaac (3:40:57 PM): But haven't some of these people played before in sam's game. Is exile a new thing or was it used in the past games because that could easily clear this up right now. Personally I have no idea as this is my first game Sam has modded. Does anyone here know for sure or not?
spies8chance (3:41:04 PM): what do you guys think?
spies8cinnamyn (3:41:13 PM): no exile wuz used in spiez 7
spies8chance (3:41:26 PM): that's entirely meta, 'zac. just because no exile's been used before doesn't mean it was going to be used now.
spies8cinnamyn (3:41:38 PM): y wouldnt it b, 4 da sake of game balance
spies8chance (3:42:02 PM): i still think cory and tina and claude all look hella bad now.
spies8chance (3:42:37 PM): and besides that's bad reasoning because of the whole 'we don't know who everyone is' thing.
spies8chance (3:42:55 PM): i'm gonna go post this to the board.
spies8isaac (3:43:55 PM): I'm just saying that several people seemed to know what was going on when the live chat was starting before Sam came in. I find it highly unlikely that game aspects weren't talked about before Sam arrived. So I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility. Granted not too likely with chat transcripts like that, but still plausible.
spies8cory (3:45:13 PM): Jasmine is trying to shank me.
spies8cory (3:45:17 PM): I require assistance.
spies8isaac (3:45:40 PM): I just find it odd that we've gone from no Spy suspects to 3 in the matter of one chat conversation and think we are obviously missing something
spies8jasmine (3:46:13 PM): Cory, I love chance.
spies8jasmine (3:46:15 PM): =)
spies8claude (3:46:31 PM): I'm back now
spies8jasmine (3:47:08 PM): Chance, why do u think brod is spy?
spies8jasmine (3:47:12 PM): wat was your reason
spies8chance (3:47:53 PM): i'm not sure i'd call him 'spy' yet, but i think most of his probing questions to me in the thread seemed very reachy and fragile.
spies8chance (3:48:02 PM): cory. would you please go respond to the thread i just put up?
spies8chance (3:49:08 PM): i'd also like to point out that several of us have said, at one point or another, that claude is basically going after cory because of his personality, haven't we? cin, i know you have at least.
spies8cory (3:49:27 PM): Give me a few. Phone.
spies8chance (3:49:34 PM): seems like an easy distancing maneuver if both are spies. no one's taking claude's case very seriously, but he looks good for going after cory if he flips spy.
spies8cory (3:51:12 PM): Ok.
spies8jasmine (3:51:29 PM): I dn't think any two spies who try to fight this early, tbh. are you asying they planned it--like if one goes, the other will look good?
spies8cory (3:51:39 PM): And yes he has
spies8chance (3:51:40 PM): i'm saying it's possible.
spies8jasmine (3:51:47 PM): but for lynch #1?
spies8cory (3:51:54 PM): Claude's main basis for suspecting me is that my abrasive personality makes people not want to talk to me
spies8isaac (3:51:56 PM): I'm sorry, "claude's case". I thought it was all based off of things most people certaunly didn't agree with. Claude claimed Cory rubbed him the wrong way and then explained as to why he felt that way. But after several of us read all of it I thought the general feeling was that claude was reading too much into it. So why exactly is this coming up again chance because I never saw much the first time to base it off of
spies8cory (3:51:59 PM): And this makes it so I don't have to contribute.
spies8chance (3:52:06 PM): in both spies 6 and spies 7, spies were lynched in lynch #1. the spies went on to win both games.
spies8cory (3:52:09 PM): Which is bullshit because the character was decided before the game began. Lol.
spies8cory (3:52:26 PM): You put a new thread up, Chance?
spies8chance (3:52:35 PM): because, 'zac, claude is still extremely sure that cory is a spy. he hasn't changed his stance one bit.
spies8chance (3:52:37 PM): yes i did, cory.
spies8jasmine (3:52:41 PM): you think two spies would agree to be okay wth being first out for the greater good of ALL the spies? i just really doubt anyone would wanna go first. citizen or spy.
spies8chance (3:53:13 PM): i don't think either one planned for this debacle. looks more like a precautionary plan thing.
spies8cory (3:53:46 PM): Well if it's two way distancing, it's failing pretty hrd
spies8cory (3:53:51 PM): Because I've made it clear I don't think Claude is a Spy.
spies8chance (3:53:52 PM): and don't forget tina's up to her ears in this too. just because she's a republican right now doesn't mean we should forget about her completely.
spies8chance (3:54:03 PM): and he's used that as another reason to suspect you, cory.
spies8cinnamyn (3:54:06 PM): i am forgetting about her completely
spies8cinnamyn (3:54:12 PM): i got a spy 2 catch in our own group
spies8cory (3:54:13 PM): And since he's so far failed to gain support in exiling me.
spies8cory (3:54:15 PM): Distance fail. Lol.
spies8chance (3:54:21 PM): or distance win.
spies8chance (3:54:27 PM): no spy really wants to exile another spy.
spies8isaac (3:54:39 PM): Thats fine chance and I understand that. Claude and Cory don't see eye to eye. What I'm curious about is why bring that up even it thats not why you think Cory is a spy. It just looks like finger pointing to me
spies8chance (3:54:48 PM): but to be a spy who looks like he wants to exile another spy? hell yeah.
spies8jasmine (3:54:52 PM): Yu know Chance, idk if i find you physiclaly hot anymore. your bisexuality isn't as appealing as it once was.
spies8jasmine (3:54:56 PM): Im starting to drift.
spies8cory (3:55:01 PM): Do you have any other basis for this theory other than that it is a possibility, Chance?
spies8cory (3:55:05 PM): Because of course it is a possibility.
spies8chance (3:55:11 PM): yes, i do. have you read the thread yet?
spies8cory (3:55:12 PM): The question is whether or not you think it is more likely than the alternative.
spies8cory (3:55:16 PM): And if you do, why is that the case?
spies8chance (3:55:24 PM): also, 'zac, i brought it up as something to think about because i'm leaning towards cory and claude being spies.
spies8cory (3:55:34 PM): No. I'll do that now.
spies8chance (3:55:35 PM): i think i've already pointed the finger pretty hardcore.
spies8cinnamyn (3:55:45 PM): dat iz crazy 2 me bcuz i think cory n' claude both look lyke citz rite about now
spies8chance (3:56:03 PM): even after what i just brought up? gee, i feel loved.
spies8cinnamyn (3:56:41 PM): well it seemz a lil (okay a lot) farfetched
spies8chance (3:56:46 PM): no one seems to find it strange that cory and tina were discussing hal when they weren't supposed to be?
spies8chance (3:56:48 PM): really.
spies8jasmine (3:57:11 PM): i think the hal thing is so retarded, tbh.
spies8cory (3:57:28 PM): Not really sure what the point is, Claude. Awol is the one who brought it up to begin with.
spies8cory (3:57:32 PM): Chance*
spies8jasmine (3:57:34 PM): so when you keep bringing me up, you look odd chance.
spies8chance (3:57:36 PM): if cory can prove that sam mentioned that we could vote no exile in the same group chat that he was discussing hal with tina in, then fine. i'll concede.
spies8cory (3:57:44 PM): I wasn't even in the chat.
spies8cory (3:57:54 PM): Tina came to me with it after the opening chat.
spies8chance (3:58:04 PM): sam never mentioned it in the opening chat.
spies8cory (3:58:11 PM): She was referring to a quote by Awol
spies8cory (3:58:12 PM): Not Sam
spies8cory (3:58:53 PM): spies8tina: Exactly. I need to go back to the log but I think someone mentioning not exiling anyone.
spies8cory (3:58:58 PM): spies8Cory: Seriously? Hang them.
spies8isaac (3:59:01 PM): The question is though did everyone even have a role or alignment before no-exile was posted. I'm not so sure so thats why it's a hard sell. Heck, I didn't even know I was a democrat until the next morning
spies8chance (3:59:05 PM): there aren't any messages by spies8awohali in the opening chat transcript. i just checked.
spies8cory (3:59:08 PM): spies8tina: Spies8Awohali (9:23:01 PM):I am sure that as long as we are in teams, there will be a No Exile voting option.
spies8cinnamyn (3:59:26 PM): this iz rediculous
spies8cory (3:59:27 PM): spies8tina: Either way, that guy is very new, and that is a lot coming from me, or is doing a great job faking it.
spies8cinnamyn (3:59:30 PM): dat iz not suspishis at all
spies8cory (3:59:32 PM): spies8tina: Maybe I will sneak it into a conversation with him tomorrow.
spies8cory (3:59:37 PM): Do with that what you will
spies8jasmine (3:59:38 PM): okay maybe tina was in Spies 7, assumes it will happen again?
spies8jasmine (3:59:41 PM): that is so not scummy.
spies8cory (3:59:43 PM): That's four lines. I'm not pasting any more than that.
spies8jasmine (4:00:03 PM): u said it happened before, yes?
spies8jasmine (4:00:06 PM): she could just be a vet.
spies8chance (4:00:13 PM): and that's meta, which has no basis.
spies8cory (4:00:15 PM): This happened at 1 AM board time
spies8cory (4:00:17 PM): On Monday morning
spies8chance (4:00:27 PM): the real point here is that no exile votes weren't mentioned until after sam divided us into teams.
spies8jasmine (4:00:29 PM): mmk even if so, didnt stop her from guessing it would happen again
spies8cinnamyn (4:00:31 PM): so tina cumz 2 cory and sez awo iz either new or gud at faking it. so we got 3 spiez.?
spies8cory (4:00:44 PM): Chance
spies8cory (4:00:49 PM): AWOL is the one who mentioned it first
spies8cory (4:00:54 PM): If anyone slipped it'd be him. Lol.
spies8cory (4:00:59 PM): That's where the entire notion came from
spies8cory (4:01:19 PM): But it doesn't seem ridiculous
spies8cory (4:01:25 PM): Someone mentioned that he got it from the last game or something
spies8chance (4:01:26 PM): i'd like to see hal mentioning it in context.
spies8chance (4:01:46 PM): does anyone happen to have that bit handy?
spies8cory (4:01:56 PM): Sincethe last game had the same early scenario of two teams and a no exiling option
spies8cory (4:02:00 PM): It's posted somewhere. Go find it
spies8cory (4:02:07 PM): Can't recall where.
spies8cory (4:02:11 PM): I don't have it since I wasn't there.
spies8chance (4:02:17 PM): well, it's not in the opening chat transcript.
spies8chance (4:02:30 PM): and it's not in any of the transcripts posted in the democrats board.
spies8chance (4:02:33 PM): of which there are one.
spies8isaac (4:03:38 PM): Wow, I'm sorry Chance this whole arguement is just such a leap. If it's true then yes 3 possible spies if it's not then it's three citizens. But the basis for all of this is that it was mentioned. I know Sam posted some of these people have played in previous games and others were talking about mafia so I really can't base my vote off of this literally hit or miss idea. There are too many unknows.
spies8chance (4:05:03 PM): if the entire basis for thinking my theory is idiotic is that "oh people played in past spies games" then i'm sorry but that is entirely sloppy play.
spies8chance (4:05:30 PM): yes, there are probably veterans playing in this game.
spies8chance (4:05:34 PM): does that make hal a veteran?
spies8cory (4:05:35 PM): The bottom line is that the entire debacle started based on the comment that Hal made.
spies8chance (4:05:44 PM): answer - we can't know that.
spies8chance (4:05:53 PM): and since we can't know that, we can't base our thinking on it.
spies8cory (4:06:02 PM): Tina caught the comment, brought it to me
spies8cory (4:06:05 PM): I brought it to Hal
spies8cory (4:06:07 PM): Then to the chat
spies8cory (4:06:12 PM): That's how Claude gave his own interpretation
spies8chance (4:06:35 PM): cory - did hal's comment occur before or after sam split us into teams and mentioned the no-exile vote option?
spies8chance (4:06:37 PM): yes or no?
spies8cory (4:06:46 PM): The hell if I know. I wasn't in the chat. Lol.
spies8isaac (4:06:46 PM): It's sloppy to not consider the possibility. We are all here for the same game. It just seems that you don't even believe the possibility exists that two people may have chatted about this as an option because they played in past games. I feel any of us couldn't know either way so am just trying to understand why you are so certain of this
spies8cory (4:06:50 PM): It was before teams were decided
spies8cory (4:06:59 PM): It was 1 AM board time
spies8chance (4:07:10 PM): excuse me? you seem to be the one who are certain that it happened that way.
spies8chance (4:07:15 PM): okay, cory.
spies8chance (4:07:23 PM): then i made a mistake.
spies8cory (4:07:42 PM): Wait, hold on
spies8cory (4:07:49 PM): The chat I had with TINA was at 1 AM
spies8cory (4:07:53 PM): I don't know when Hal's comment was made
spies8cory (4:08:02 PM): (9:23:01 PM):
spies8chance (4:08:05 PM): well, obviously it had to have happened before that for tina to have commented on it.
spies8jasmine (4:08:06 PM): Anything to do with the hal shit, to me, = bullshit. :-) cause it was soooo close to alignment time that u guys dont even fucking know if they knew/didnt know. who is gunna have a plan made up right after they find out what they r--if its really that close anyways? :-\ even something so small as 'no exile'
spies8cory (4:08:15 PM): That's her time stamp. No clue what time zone she's in
spies8jasmine (4:08:17 PM): Jut think we should let it go away. :-\
spies8jasmine (4:08:20 PM): and never speak of it again
spies8jasmine (4:08:28 PM): its so boring, and retarded. and i want to stab myself with a pen
spies8cory (4:08:33 PM): You cut?
spies8jasmine (4:08:41 PM): i am in transition cory, its stressful
spies8cory (4:08:45 PM): Lol.
spies8cinnamyn (4:08:46 PM): chance u sed dis' isn't suspishis bcuz u were leanin' towards claude n' cory n e way, but wen i jus' asked u u sed u wuz thinkin' magalie n' broderick.
spies8chance (4:08:46 PM): then find us another topic, jas.
spies8chance (4:08:58 PM): because honestly i haven't seen you do much but whine.
spies8jasmine (4:09:10 PM): Fuck you Chance.
spies8chance (4:09:18 PM): i wasn't leaning towards claude and cory before this, cin. when did i say that?
spies8chance (4:09:33 PM): and when did i say that this 'isn't suspicious'?
spies8isaac (4:11:00 PM): Ok, it was a valid discussion, but I certainly can't base a vote off of it either way because of the unknowns with the time. There has to be a different avenue to go down and look for something else becuase I don't think this is convincing anyone. What else is there from the posted chat logs anyway
spies8cinnamyn (4:11:13 PM): spies8chance: (4:55:28 PM) also, 'zac, i brought it up as something to think about because i'm leaning towards cory and claude being spies.
spies8cinnamyn (4:11:35 PM): 4get da iznt suspishis part den das' jus' wut i thot u had sed
spies8chance (4:11:49 PM): uh huh. that's after i brought up the thing about hal's comment and cory and tina chatting.
spies8chance (4:11:56 PM): by then i was leaning towards cory and claude being spies.
spies8cinnamyn (4:12:11 PM): after jus' this mess and nothin' else.?
spies8claude (4:12:56 PM): I thought Tina and Cory might be spies together before I talked to you today, Chance. I already explained that.
spies8chance (4:13:00 PM): timeline - i talk to you. you ask who i'm thinking of voting. i say mags and brod. this chat happens. i think i found something that proves cory and tina are spies, and claude looks bad for defending and then jumping on them. <-- now i'm thinking cory and claude are spies.
spies8jasmine (4:13:06 PM): Where did Claude come from
spies8cinnamyn (4:13:13 PM): dat wuz a quick shift lmbo
spies8chance (4:13:43 PM): yeah, it was. it was also quickly found evidence. and besides, i don't have anything on mags and i'm afraid brod might be an omgus.
spies8jasmine (4:13:55 PM): what is an omgus
spies8jasmine (4:13:56 PM): ?
spies8chance (4:14:05 PM): and claude, the only thing you've said so far against tina is that you think it's suspicious that tina chose cory of all people to talk to about hal.
spies8chance (4:14:18 PM): and you didn't even say that until after i accused you of damage control.
spies8jasmine (4:14:27 PM): tina is white, the gurl is gunna go towards abusive egotistical men like cory.
spies8claude (4:14:27 PM): I think it was suspicious that A)she brought it up to someone individually, and not publicly, and B)that it was Cory.
spies8claude (4:14:42 PM): And I've had this conversation before(a couple of days ago), with Broderick
spies8chance (4:14:54 PM): maybe you have. like i said. this is the first i heard of it.
spies8claude (4:15:43 PM): It's particularly suspect for Tina to have a private conversation with Cory AFTER teams were announced though, clearly.
spies8cory (4:15:56 PM): Teams were not announced, Einstein
spies8cory (4:16:02 PM): It was after opening chat and before teams
spies8chance (4:16:07 PM): except i think we just figured out that teams hadn't been announced yet.
spies8jasmine (4:16:23 PM): ugh not this again. brb
spies8cory (4:16:25 PM): Otherwise you'd have a point.
spies8claude (4:16:32 PM): ...
spies8claude (4:16:36 PM): That was what I thought to begin with
spies8chance (4:16:38 PM): i didn't see how anyone could know that there would be a no-exile vote option until sam mentioned it.
spies8claude (4:16:40 PM): And Chance said otherwise.
spies8cory (4:16:43 PM): Sam made a thread discussing HOW he was going to decide teams
spies8cory (4:16:47 PM): He didn't post them till I got up the next day
spies8chance (4:16:49 PM): and sam didn't mention it until after teams were decided.
spies8chance (4:16:55 PM): about eleven minutes after, according to the timestamps.
spies8chance (4:17:07 PM): apparently hal mentioned it in an unrelated context, and that's what all this is stemming from.
spies8claude (4:18:05 PM): Doesn't change alot for me, I'm still put off by Tina bringing it up privately to Cory.
spies8chance (4:18:35 PM): how much of that is because you already thought cory was a spy?
spies8claude (4:18:43 PM): Admittedly, some.
spies8claude (4:18:53 PM): But not all.
spies8chance (4:19:43 PM): so you suspect tina for the fact that she didn't bring hal's comment up publically?
spies8chance (4:20:06 PM): that could just be scared citizen, like you mentioned earlier.
spies8jasmine (4:20:14 PM): bk, ish
spies8claude (4:20:34 PM): Seems like she could have found someone more hospitable to bring it up to, then.
spies8chance (4:21:24 PM): maybe she didn't know cory was an ass yet.
spies8cinnamyn (4:21:35 PM): aight yall imma roll out 4 a bit and mite b back on l8r
spies8cinnamyn (4:21:39 PM): have fun lmbo.!
spies8chance (4:21:41 PM): later cin.
spies8jasmine (4:22:23 PM): im going to be doing other things, privatly message me if i should look in the chat/if you wanna talk.
spies8jasmine (4:22:28 PM): so i get the blinkage.
spies8cory (4:23:19 PM): Back.
spies8chance (4:23:50 PM): well, i feel like an idiot now.
spies8cory (4:23:52 PM): Claude, I may be an ass sometimes, but usually once the conversation with me gets going I'm not.
spies8cory (4:24:05 PM): It's a little thing called roleplay. Might have heard of it.
spies8chance (4:24:18 PM): i honestly thought i had something there.
spies8isaac (4:24:46 PM): Well sounds like a good time to go grab a quick lunch. I'll be back on in a bit all I'm just gonna stay in the chat room for now to record the chat log so I don't miss anything but will let you know when I'm back. Feel free to IM me if you have too, I'll respond later.
spies8cory (4:25:08 PM): Later Isaac.
spies8chance (4:25:19 PM): later 'zac.
spies8chance (4:25:35 PM): claude, it still bothers me that you went from seemingly defending cory and tina to hammering them both.
spies8chance (4:26:57 PM): for clarification - when i (mistakenly) said that tina and cory were talking after teams were decided, you were quick to say they weren't, but you went from that to saying -
spies8chance (4:27:13 PM): spies8claude 3:24 pm
I think Tina and Cory are both spies, yes.
spies8chance (4:28:14 PM): it just seems like kind of a illogical jump to make, from defending them both to someone who's going after them, to thinking both are spies yourself. granted, you've been suspecting cory since the start and apparently you had this conversation with brod a few days ago.
spies8chance (4:28:33 PM): but i would have thought you'd bring it up publically. isn't that what you're suspecting tina for? not bringing a suspicion of hers up publically?
spies8lawrence (4:30:05 PM): Ok...posts done. Hello everyone!
spies8chance (4:30:23 PM): i was just about to say 'hey, larry posted... where is he?'
spies8cory (4:30:26 PM): Just clarifying some loose ends here.
spies8cory (4:30:29 PM): spies8chance (2:30:55 PM): now that i think about it, i seem to remember cory saying something about tina asking him to bring it up to his team if they were split up.
spies8cory (4:30:39 PM): She actually asked me to confront Hal about it, not bring it up publicly
spies8cory (4:31:01 PM): I only brought it up publicly because I was asked about who I'd vote, and it just so happened to be him
spies8chance (4:31:47 PM): i see that, cory. it didn't seem like a big difference at the time, is all.
spies8cory (4:31:59 PM): Lol: spies8cinnamyn (2:40:28 PM): i wish da awohali shit aint neva happened, cuz da whole situation confuzes my azz way more den i think it helps us
spies8claude (4:36:08 PM): To me, honestly, that seems like something she would be more likely to say to another spy.
spies8cory (4:37:16 PM): It was 1 AM. Nobody else was really on. And we were discussing the game.
spies8cory (4:37:23 PM): How that seems inconceivable, I do not know.
spies8cory (4:37:43 PM): You and I are talking. Nobody else is around. You then remember something that happened that caught your attention
spies8cory (4:37:49 PM): Instead of even mentioning it, you keep your silence.
spies8cory (4:37:59 PM): "That would be the Spy thing to do" you think to yourself.
spies8cory (4:38:19 PM): Sorry, Claude, but your judgement is so clouded by your hatred for me.
spies8cory (4:38:21 PM): Just get over it.
spies8claude (4:40:15 PM): Why are you defending her, then?
spies8cory (4:41:01 PM): Because what she did was not suspicious?
spies8cory (4:41:10 PM): She brought to my attention something that happened. How the hell is that suspicious?
spies8cory (4:41:50 PM): If you have something beyond that, I'm all ears.
spies8claude (4:42:00 PM): It's suspicious that she only brought it to your attention
spies8cory (4:42:12 PM): She ONLY brought it to my attention because I was the ONLY one online
spies8cory (4:42:14 PM): And it just came up
spies8cory (4:42:21 PM): She told me she planned to confront HIM about it
spies8cory (4:42:24 PM): Not the masses.
spies8cory (4:43:08 PM): You suffer from what is known as confirmation bias, dearest Claude.
spies8claude (4:43:10 PM): You don't think it's strange that she wanted you to bring it up if you didn't end up the same team?
spies8cory (4:43:25 PM): Um. No?
spies8claude (4:43:30 PM): Hmmm
spies8claude (4:43:33 PM): Why not?
spies8cory (4:43:33 PM): I asked her if she wanted me to confront him about it
spies8cory (4:43:38 PM): She said no, that she would do it
spies8cory (4:43:46 PM): But that if I wound up on his team without her, then that I could be her guest.
spies8cory (4:43:50 PM): Well, that happened, so I did it
spies8claude (4:44:09 PM): Pretty chivalrous of you to offer to confront him.
spies8cory (4:44:11 PM): By "same team" she meant she and Hal
spies8cory (4:44:12 PM): Not me and her
spies8cory (4:44:25 PM): Well I'm a bold dude.
spies8chance (4:46:54 PM): claude, you never responded to me on a few points.
spies8claude (4:47:14 PM): They may have scrolled away; what are they?
spies8chance (4:47:37 PM): one - why is asking someone who they consider spyish, spyish in and of itself?
spies8chance (4:48:15 PM): two - you suspect tina for not bringing public her suspicions of hal. yet until i pushed you, you had not brought public your suspicions of tina. why is that?
spies8claude (4:48:23 PM): It's not always.
spies8camilla (4:48:44 PM): hello.
spies8camilla (4:49:05 PM): not much, you?
spies8claude (4:49:44 PM): As for Tina, as I said, I talked to Broderick about it, but there isn't alot to go on there.
spies8chance (4:50:27 PM): oh, feeling like an idiot. :-P
spies8chance (4:50:41 PM): claude, talking to brod about it =/= going public with it.
spies8camilla (4:50:43 PM): lol, whyy?
spies8claude (4:50:56 PM): It wasn't much of a suspicion
spies8chance (4:51:03 PM): why should you going to brod about your suspicion of tina be any less suspicious than tina going to cory about her suspicion of hal?
spies8claude (4:51:27 PM): Brod said something to me
spies8claude (4:51:39 PM): I said 'it seems suspicious that Tina would bring that up only to Cory'
spies8claude (4:51:45 PM): The end.
spies8chance (4:51:57 PM): that hardly qualifies as a conversation. :-P
spies8claude (4:52:07 PM): Me talking to you, today, is alot different. We've been in a few chats, I feel like you're trustworthy.
spies8camilla (4:52:20 PM): what a horrible story. theres no initial incident or even a climax. as an aspiring novelist, i am quite offended.
spies8chance (4:53:50 PM): what exactly did brod say to you, claude?
spies8chance (4:55:15 PM): you don't have to quote, obviously.
spies8claude (4:56:13 PM): He thought it was suspicious that Tina was trying to run Awohlia up for such a minor comment(he researched it a bunch, and could only find one thing that Awohlia said no the subject)
spies8claude (4:56:28 PM): I agreed, and thought it was also noteworthy that she didn't bring it up publicly, but did so privately.
spies8chance (4:56:59 PM): okay, but my point remains - why didn't you, then, bring it up publically?
spies8claude (4:58:04 PM): I didn't find it to be a big enough deal to bring it up.
spies8claude (4:58:22 PM): It came up in conversation with you because you asked me if I had anything else I didn't like about Cory.
spies8chance (4:58:31 PM): yet you're using it today as evidence that you've been suspicious of tina for a while.
spies8claude (4:59:07 PM): I think you're misrepresenting me now.
spies8camilla (4:59:22 PM): *misinterpreting. :X
spies8claude (4:59:36 PM): No.
spies8chance (4:59:44 PM): spies8claude 3:24 pm
I think Tina and Cory are both spies, yes.
spies8chance (4:59:55 PM): spies8claude 3:26 pm
I already thought it was suspicious that Tina chose to chat privately with Cory, of all people.
spies8chance (5:00:09 PM): i don't think i'm misrepresenting you.
spies8claude (5:00:38 PM): I did think that was suspicious
spies8claude (5:00:39 PM): ...
spies8chance (5:00:48 PM): but not a big enough deal to bring up publically?
spies8chance (5:00:58 PM): even though you suspect tina for doing the same thing?
spies8claude (5:01:22 PM): Yes.
spies8chance (5:01:31 PM): okay then.
spies8cory (5:02:11 PM): I don't think I'd classify Tina as "trying run Awohali up"
spies8claude (5:03:34 PM): really?
spies8claude (5:03:48 PM): She apparently felt strongly enough about it that she wanted you to bring it up, in the event that you didn't end up on the same team.
spies8cory (5:04:13 PM): She wanted clarification from him
spies8cory (5:04:45 PM): Hence the whole point of confronting him rather than bringing it public
spies8chance (5:04:47 PM): clarification - cory was to confront hal about it. not necessarily bring it up publically.
spies8cory (5:05:03 PM): Yeah. Pretty much as you just said.
spies8cory (5:05:34 PM): I've said this a thousand times
spies8cory (5:05:40 PM): He wasn't online while we were talking
spies8cory (5:05:49 PM): And we had just commented no how teams hadn't been decided.
spies8claude (5:05:51 PM): Fair enough.
spies8cory (5:06:01 PM): She said she wanted to talk to him
spies8cory (5:06:10 PM): But said i could do it if she was on the other team, and I was on his team
spies8cory (5:06:30 PM): If she planned to bring it public, then of course there is no logical reason to tell me to confront him in that case.
spies8cory (5:07:07 PM): Really, this is not very hard to see.
spies8cory (5:07:15 PM): It's being blown way out of proportion
spies8camilla (5:07:24 PM): Hey Brod
spies8broderick (5:07:32 PM): Hi Camilla
spies8cory (5:07:53 PM): Broderick. Perfect timing.
spies8cory (5:07:57 PM): Well, not really.
spies8cory (5:08:01 PM): But it felt like the right thing to say.
spies8broderick (5:08:28 PM): Haha. Seems Im busy when the parties happen
spies8chance (5:08:34 PM): 'sup brod.
spies8cory (5:08:34 PM): Claude
spies8camilla (5:08:40 PM): This is the first big group chat ive been in for more than five minutes. im really proud of myself
spies8cory (5:08:41 PM): I still want your response to what I've said about the abrasive personality
spies8cory (5:09:10 PM): Neither do I, but he clearly does
spies8claude (5:09:21 PM): It's interesting that you bring that up, actually.
spies8cory (5:09:22 PM): But this point here guarantees it's moot
spies8camilla (5:09:34 PM): "oh my god that woman has a vagina. she must be scum."
spies8claude (5:09:37 PM): If your idea is to have an abrasive personality, why did you offer to confront Hal?
spies8cory (5:09:52 PM): Because I didn't mind confronting him?
spies8cory (5:09:57 PM): Answer my question
spies8cory (5:09:59 PM): Stop dodging it.
spies8jasmine (5:10:03 PM): I'm back for a bit.
spies8jasmine (5:10:08 PM): I'm so tired today, is anyone else?
spies8jasmine (5:10:17 PM): I feel like shit, I need to get rid of this penis.
spies8cory (5:10:21 PM): Lol.
spies8camilla (5:10:25 PM): Hey Jas <3
spies8cory (5:10:26 PM): Jasman, welcome back
spies8jasmine (5:10:40 PM): Hi everyone.
spies8cory (5:10:40 PM): I'll stop calling you Jasman if you stop going for my behind.
spies8cory (5:10:48 PM): Do we have a truce?!
spies8jasmine (5:10:53 PM): Babe, I can't stop my impulses.
spies8camilla (5:11:00 PM): lmao
spies8cory (5:11:00 PM): Fortunately, neither can I.
spies8jasmine (5:11:12 PM): :-)
spies8camilla (5:11:32 PM): what a fortuitous coincidence.
spies8claude (5:11:43 PM): I'm willing to retract my point that you're being abrasive to mask being scum, considering that you planned on being abrasive before the game started.
spies8cory (5:11:51 PM): Ok then. What else remains?
spies8cory (5:11:55 PM): Me avoiding chat?
spies8jasmine (5:11:57 PM): Claude, why is it always you and Cory.
spies8camilla (5:12:08 PM): Sexual Tension.
spies8cory (5:12:15 PM): None on my end!
spies8jasmine (5:12:16 PM): I wish we could watch them at night.
spies8claude (5:12:20 PM): That having been said, offering to do something for someone else is 100% in contradiction with presenting an abrasive personality.
spies8cory (5:12:36 PM): Jesus christ.
spies8cory (5:12:43 PM): It's a character. Roleplay is not going to consume me 100%
spies8cory (5:12:49 PM): Otherwise I'd be a dick every time I spoke.
spies8jasmine (5:13:20 PM): Claude, do you ever relax and drink lemonade?
spies8broderick (5:13:20 PM): Claude did you perchance read my post?
spies8claude (5:13:35 PM): Which post
spies8cory (5:13:42 PM): It's woefully not.
spies8camilla (5:13:46 PM): I relax and drink lemonade occaisonally. i prefer iced tea.
spies8cory (5:14:01 PM): You can ask anyone in here who has spoken to me if I've ever had pleasant moments while chatting.
spies8jasmine (5:14:13 PM): Me too Camilla.
spies8cory (5:14:14 PM): Unless I'm spies with all of them, it's not woefully convenient.
spies8broderick (5:14:18 PM): The post I made in the thread Cinnamyn created.
spies8jasmine (5:14:19 PM): Iced Tea is the bees knees.
spies8broderick (5:14:26 PM): The Burg > Democratic Side
spies8jasmine (5:14:28 PM): Lawrence Voted: Well, may as well post the first real vote. Certainly not firm, but right now I am putting my vote down on Claude. Reasons? He's pushing Cory for what seems like no real reason to me, and seems to be trying to control in my opinion. I am certainly open to change, but for now, that's where I stand
spies8camilla (5:14:41 PM): I saw that.
spies8claude (5:15:02 PM): Someone is always going to take lead in a conversation
spies8jasmine (5:15:09 PM): And I have to admit, his reasoning does seem fair. However, I know Cinnamyn is feeling strongly about NOT lynching Claude.
spies8claude (5:15:10 PM): Especially when your decision time is 4 days, smoeone has to.
spies8jasmine (5:15:29 PM): ;-o
spies8cory (5:15:51 PM): Meh. I'm hesitant to vote Claude myself.
spies8jasmine (5:15:52 PM): You do know why people automatically suspect you for it, right? You being the first person to basically say anything, comes with it. obviously.
spies8chance (5:16:01 PM): i'm actually considering voting claude.
spies8jasmine (5:16:04 PM): But yea, I'm not for a Claude vote tbh.
spies8cory (5:16:07 PM): his arguments are really really stupid though
spies8chance (5:16:12 PM): also, jas - who cin votes shouldn't have any effect on who you vote.
spies8jasmine (5:16:23 PM): it doesn't
spies8camilla (5:16:26 PM): That is what we call a bandwagon, children.
spies8jasmine (5:16:38 PM): I was just stating that she wasn't?
spies8cory (5:16:54 PM): Chance - I have spoken up for Claude ever since he started going after me
spies8cory (5:17:06 PM): For the simple reason that I don't think a Spy would be as likely to go after big bruce on day one
spies8broderick (5:17:16 PM): My main issue with Claude is there seems to be contradictions about what he says.
spies8jasmine (5:17:38 PM): Chance, wat was your reasons for a brod lynch earlier?
spies8chance (5:18:02 PM): jas, you're putting words in my mouth.
spies8broderick (5:18:12 PM): Heh. That is interesting if true.
spies8jasmine (5:18:50 PM): huh?
spies8claude (5:18:51 PM): What contradictions?
spies8jasmine (5:18:51 PM): or suspect of him
spies8camilla (5:18:51 PM): Me and Chance were just speaking about this
spies8jasmine (5:18:51 PM): o, i just got back
spies8jasmine (5:18:51 PM): i remember earlier chance said his suspects were brod and someone else, didnt u?
spies8jasmine (5:18:52 PM): maybe not. ..
spies8chance (5:18:52 PM): i didn't say i was up for a brod lynch. i said i was mildly suspicious of him because a lot of the points he made against me seemed fragile.
spies8chance (5:18:52 PM): i'm talking to brod now actually.
spies8chance (5:18:54 PM): laaaaag.
spies8claude (5:19:01 PM): Just because someone is suspicious of a person doesn't mean that they want to lynch that personl.
spies8camilla (5:19:07 PM): [16:03] spies8camilla: Claude's reasoning makes no sense to me.
[16:03] spies8camilla: at all.
[16:03] spies8chance: it looks very double-standard to me.
[16:03] spies8camilla: I agree.
[16:03] spies8chance: he suspects tina for not bringing up her suspicion of hal publically.... yet he, himself, did not bring his suspicion of tina up publically.
spies8camilla (5:19:13 PM): the actual conversation in case anyone's wondering.
spies8chance (5:19:25 PM): i don't actually care that you quoted that, cam, but i think it's against the rules.
spies8chance (5:19:30 PM): just sayin'.
spies8chance (5:19:34 PM): you might be a little more careful. :-P
spies8claude (5:19:54 PM): Tina obviously thought strongly of her suspicions; she wanted Cory to bring them up(even if just to Hal himself) if they didn't end up on the same team.
spies8cory (5:20:08 PM): You're allowed to quoet small segments
spies8cory (5:20:10 PM): Ok I need to leave
spies8cory (5:20:12 PM): Be back later.
spies8cory (5:20:15 PM): Jasman, no daydreaming about me.
spies8camilla (5:20:26 PM): its not the whole conversation. and its only like a part of it. it isn't against the rules lol
spies8chance (5:20:45 PM): okay, just checking. wouldn't want you getting modfired or something.
spies8broderick (5:20:54 PM): Claude you seem to be using Cory's abrasiveness as a point against him, yet told Mary that it along with rudeness and being bright were not indicative of alignment.
spies8chance (5:21:00 PM): also, claude. 'just because you're suspicious of someone doesn't mean you want to lynch them'. what does that mea?
spies8camilla (5:21:04 PM): Lol. Neither would I.
spies8claude (5:21:17 PM): It came up in converastion with Chance because he asked, specifically, if I had come up with anything else I didn't like about Cory.
spies8claude (5:21:20 PM): So I mentioned it.
spies8chance (5:21:27 PM): i would think that that's the whole point of being suspicious of someone.
spies8camilla (5:21:34 PM): So what, is it like:
spies8camilla (5:21:49 PM): You don't have enought evidence to outright prove he's a spy, so you don't want to lynch him?
spies8claude (5:21:49 PM): There is no way that you want to exile every person you are ever suspicious of, get real.
spies8claude (5:22:16 PM): You almost never have enough evidence to 'outright prove' that someone is a spy, but you always have varying levels of suspicion towards people.
spies8jasmine (5:22:18 PM): Then Chance, you said you wre suspcious of Brod?
spies8jasmine (5:22:19 PM): huh
spies8chance (5:22:33 PM): claude, were you referring to tina when you said that?
spies8jasmine (5:22:34 PM): Im lost
spies8jasmine (5:22:55 PM): lol
spies8claude (5:22:55 PM): I was referring to you re: Broderick, actually.
spies8claude (5:22:59 PM): Or just making a general statement.
spies8claude (5:23:09 PM): I wasn't talking about Tina specifically there.
spies8chance (5:23:19 PM): okay. i scrolled up and can see that.
spies8claude (5:23:41 PM): Cory is the only person, right now, that I would vote to Exile.
spies8claude (5:23:55 PM): Which is probably bad, because he's probably not the only spy on our team. I just don't have strong reads on anyone else.
spies8broderick (5:24:09 PM): Claude you seem to be using Cory's abrasiveness as a point against him, yet told Mary that it along with rudeness and being bright were not indicative of alignment.
spies8claude (5:24:17 PM): Broderick: I don't remember saying that being rude is not an alignment tell, but I do remember saying that being bright is not one.
spies8claude (5:24:36 PM): You can pretend to be rude, you can't pretend to be stupid/smart.
spies8broderick (5:24:45 PM): My suggestion is that you read the deomcratic side posts
spies8broderick (5:24:53 PM): spies8mary (11:04:43 PM): Hmm.
spies8mary (11:05:06 PM): I got the impression that he was fairly bright and aggressive.
spies8mary (11:05:29 PM): And rude, but that is somewhat irrelevant to mafia.
spies8claude (11:05:32 PM): Yeah, that's a given.
spies8claude (11:05:38 PM): but none of those things are indicative of alignment.
spies8broderick (5:26:01 PM): Crickets?
spies8chance (5:26:16 PM): soap opera moment.
spies8camilla (5:26:24 PM): There's some contradictin going on.
spies8claude (5:26:33 PM): Hmmm
spies8claude (5:26:37 PM): Which thread is that in?
spies8camilla (5:26:39 PM):
spies8chance (5:26:44 PM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dems&action=display&thread=314
spies8broderick (5:26:46 PM): The post or the quote?
spies8claude (5:27:02 PM): that conversation
spies8broderick (5:27:23 PM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dems&action=display&thread=313
spies8broderick (5:27:31 PM): Under what Isaac posted
spies8jasmine (5:30:00 PM): gotta go for a bit guys. be around later tho. see ya.
spies8broderick (5:30:19 PM): Chat killer
spies8claude (5:30:26 PM): Hmmm
spies8claude (5:30:30 PM): I really don't have an explanation for that.
spies8claude (5:33:01 PM): I don't think that I meant to include the part about rudeness not being a tell.
spies8broderick (5:33:29 PM): What about aggresive not being a tell?
spies8claude (5:33:46 PM): Aggression is not a tell.
spies8broderick (5:33:53 PM): by definition, abrasive is being overly aggressive
spies8claude (5:34:01 PM): No, I think there is a huge difference
spies8claude (5:34:10 PM): Abrasive has obvious negative connotations.
spies8chance (5:34:12 PM): i would consider situational aggression to be a tell.
spies8isaac (5:34:17 PM): You people talked to much while I was at lunch...now I have to go back and read it all. lol. Give me a few minutes to catch up and then I'll join in
spies8claude (5:34:27 PM): Situational aggression?
spies8chance (5:34:33 PM): yes.
spies8claude (5:34:53 PM): Clarify?
spies8chance (5:35:41 PM): person a is up for exile. suddenly, person b, who has been docile (or at the least rather normal) all game long, begins aggressively pushing for the exile of person c. what does this say about the relationship between persons a and b?
spies8claude (5:36:27 PM): Ah.
spies8claude (5:36:52 PM): Agreed, that is suspect.
spies8claude (5:36:52 PM): It's also ridiculously obvious, but anyway.
spies8broderick (5:41:48 PM): Could you please glance over my post and give a response Claude?