Well it was an exhausting conversation, but here is the remainder of that chat:
spies8chance (2:28:19 PM): looks like damage control.
spies8isaac (2:29:40 PM): Ok, I'm a little confused claude. I thought when this was discussed the other day all you mentioned was that Cory "rubbed you the wrong way" and it was dicussed at length as to why. Since when was Tina dragged into all of this and why only mention it now if it happened early in the game?
spies8chance (2:30:10 PM): isaac, apparently tina started the movement on hal and mentioned it to cory.
spies8chance (2:30:55 PM): now that i think about it, i seem to remember cory saying something about tina asking him to bring it up to his team if they were split up.
spies8chance (2:30:59 PM): bah, let me go see if i can find it.
spies8chance (2:32:40 PM): spies8cory (3:34:52 PM):Last night I was talking to Tina(before the split) and she mentioned something he said in the group chat about a no-exile being a valid tactic if we were to know that all the Spies were on one team.
spies8chance (2:32:55 PM): it can't have been before the split because sam didn't mention the no-exile vote until after the split.
spies8isaac (2:34:00 PM): I agree, I don't recall no-exile being discussed before the live group even and I was one for probably an hour or so before Sam did that
spies8jasmine (2:37:56 PM): He annouced it in the chat
spies8jasmine (2:37:58 PM): didn't he?
spies8chance (2:38:03 PM): spies8cory (11:55:09 PM): She planned to confront him but asked that I do it if she were to be stuck on the other team without him
spies8chance (2:40:22 PM): i don't believe so. i just went through the opening chat transcript, ctrl+fing "judge sam" and didn't him mention it anywhere.
spies8cinnamyn (2:40:28 PM): i wish da awohali shit aint neva happened, cuz da whole situation confuzes my azz way more den i think it helps us
spies8cinnamyn (2:40:47 PM): im chattin' wit jasmine so if u find sumthin' damming can u post it 2 da board.?
spies8chance (2:41:09 PM): claude's gone awfully quiet now.
spies8chance (2:41:15 PM): interesting.
spies8jasmine (2:41:15 PM): he always does, chance
spies8jasmine (2:41:17 PM): :-\
spies8isaac (2:41:25 PM): But haven't some of these people played before in sam's game. Is exile a new thing or was it used in the past games because that could easily clear this up right now. Personally I have no idea as this is my first game Sam has modded. Does anyone here know for sure or not?
spies8chance (2:41:32 PM): what do you guys think?
spies8cinnamyn (2:41:41 PM): no exile wuz used in spiez 7
spies8chance (2:41:55 PM): that's entirely meta, 'zac. just because no exile's been used before doesn't mean it was going to be used now.
spies8cinnamyn (2:42:06 PM): y wouldnt it b, 4 da sake of game balance
spies8chance (2:42:31 PM): i still think cory and tina and claude all look hella bad now.
spies8chance (2:43:06 PM): and besides that's bad reasoning because of the whole 'we don't know who everyone is' thing.
spies8chance (2:43:24 PM): i'm gonna go post this to the board.
spies8isaac (2:44:24 PM): I'm just saying that several people seemed to know what was going on when the live chat was starting before Sam came in. I find it highly unlikely that game aspects weren't talked about before Sam arrived. So I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility. Granted not too likely with chat transcripts like that, but still plausible.
spies8cory (2:45:43 PM): Jasmine is trying to shank me.
spies8cory (2:45:47 PM): I require assistance.
spies8isaac (2:46:09 PM): I just find it odd that we've gone from no Spy suspects to 3 in the matter of one chat conversation and think we are obviously missing something
spies8jasmine (2:46:42 PM): Cory, I love chance.
spies8jasmine (2:46:45 PM): =)
spies8claude (2:47:01 PM): I'm back now
spies8jasmine (2:47:38 PM): Chance, why do u think brod is spy?
spies8jasmine (2:47:42 PM): wat was your reason
spies8chance (2:48:23 PM): i'm not sure i'd call him 'spy' yet, but i think most of his probing questions to me in the thread seemed very reachy and fragile.
spies8chance (2:48:32 PM): cory. would you please go respond to the thread i just put up?
spies8chance (2:49:39 PM): i'd also like to point out that several of us have said, at one point or another, that claude is basically going after cory because of his personality, haven't we? cin, i know you have at least.
spies8cory (2:49:57 PM): Give me a few. Phone.
spies8chance (2:50:04 PM): seems like an easy distancing maneuver if both are spies. no one's taking claude's case very seriously, but he looks good for going after cory if he flips spy.
spies8cory (2:51:43 PM): Ok.
spies8jasmine (2:52:00 PM): I dn't think any two spies who try to fight this early, tbh. are you asying they planned it--like if one goes, the other will look good?
spies8cory (2:52:10 PM): And yes he has
spies8chance (2:52:12 PM): i'm saying it's possible.
spies8jasmine (2:52:18 PM): but for lynch #1?
spies8cory (2:52:25 PM): Claude's main basis for suspecting me is that my abrasive personality makes people not want to talk to me
spies8isaac (2:52:27 PM): I'm sorry, "claude's case". I thought it was all based off of things most people certaunly didn't agree with. Claude claimed Cory rubbed him the wrong way and then explained as to why he felt that way. But after several of us read all of it I thought the general feeling was that claude was reading too much into it. So why exactly is this coming up again chance because I never saw much the first time to base it off of
spies8cory (2:52:30 PM): And this makes it so I don't have to contribute.
spies8chance (2:52:37 PM): in both spies 6 and spies 7, spies were lynched in lynch #1. the spies went on to win both games.
spies8cory (2:52:40 PM): Which is bullshit because the character was decided before the game began. Lol.
spies8cory (2:52:57 PM): You put a new thread up, Chance?
spies8chance (2:53:06 PM): because, 'zac, claude is still extremely sure that cory is a spy. he hasn't changed his stance one bit.
spies8chance (2:53:08 PM): yes i did, cory.
spies8jasmine (2:53:12 PM): you think two spies would agree to be okay wth being first out for the greater good of ALL the spies?
i just really doubt anyone would wanna go first. citizen or spy.
spies8chance (2:53:44 PM): i don't think either one planned for this debacle. looks more like a precautionary plan thing.
spies8cory (2:54:17 PM): Well if it's two way distancing, it's failing pretty hrd
spies8cory (2:54:23 PM): Because I've made it clear I don't think Claude is a Spy.
spies8chance (2:54:24 PM): and don't forget tina's up to her ears in this too. just because she's a republican right now doesn't mean we should forget about her completely.
spies8chance (2:54:35 PM): and he's used that as another reason to suspect you, cory.
spies8cinnamyn (2:54:38 PM): i am forgetting about her completely
spies8cinnamyn (2:54:44 PM): i got a spy 2 catch in our own group
spies8cory (2:54:45 PM): And since he's so far failed to gain support in exiling me.
spies8cory (2:54:47 PM): Distance fail. Lol.
spies8chance (2:54:53 PM): or distance win.
spies8chance (2:54:59 PM): no spy really wants to exile another spy.
spies8isaac (2:55:12 PM): Thats fine chance and I understand that. Claude and Cory don't see eye to eye. What I'm curious about is why bring that up even it thats not why you think Cory is a spy. It just looks like finger pointing to me
spies8chance (2:55:20 PM): but to be a spy who looks like he wants to exile another spy? hell yeah.
spies8jasmine (2:55:24 PM): Yu know Chance, idk if i find you physiclaly hot anymore. your bisexuality isn't as appealing as it once was.
spies8jasmine (2:55:29 PM): Im starting to drift.
spies8cory (2:55:34 PM): Do you have any other basis for this theory other than that it is a possibility, Chance?
spies8cory (2:55:37 PM): Because of course it is a possibility.
spies8chance (2:55:44 PM): yes, i do. have you read the thread yet?
spies8cory (2:55:45 PM): The question is whether or not you think it is more likely than the alternative.
spies8cory (2:55:49 PM): And if you do, why is that the case?
spies8chance (2:55:57 PM): also, 'zac, i brought it up as something to think about because i'm leaning towards cory and claude being spies.
spies8cory (2:56:06 PM): No. I'll do that now.
spies8chance (2:56:08 PM): i think i've already pointed the finger pretty hardcore.
spies8cinnamyn (2:56:17 PM): dat iz crazy 2 me bcuz i think cory n' claude both look lyke citz rite about now
spies8chance (2:56:36 PM): even after what i just brought up? gee, i feel loved.
spies8cinnamyn (2:57:14 PM): well it seemz a lil (okay a lot) farfetched
spies8chance (2:57:20 PM): no one seems to find it strange that cory and tina were discussing hal when they weren't supposed to be?
spies8chance (2:57:22 PM): really.
spies8jasmine (2:57:44 PM): i think the hal thing is so retarded, tbh.
spies8cory (2:58:01 PM): Not really sure what the point is, Claude. Awol is the one who brought it up to begin with.
spies8cory (2:58:05 PM): Chance*
spies8jasmine (2:58:07 PM): so when you keep bringing me up, you look odd chance.
spies8chance (2:58:09 PM): if cory can prove that sam mentioned that we could vote no exile in the same group chat that he was discussing hal with tina in, then fine. i'll concede.
spies8cory (2:58:18 PM): I wasn't even in the chat.
spies8cory (2:58:28 PM): Tina came to me with it after the opening chat.
spies8chance (2:58:37 PM): sam never mentioned it in the opening chat.
spies8cory (2:58:45 PM): She was referring to a quote by Awol
spies8cory (2:58:46 PM): Not Sam
spies8cory (2:59:26 PM): spies8tina: Exactly. I need to go back to the log but I think someone mentioning not exiling anyone.
spies8cory (2:59:32 PM): spies8Cory: Seriously? Hang them.
spies8isaac (2:59:35 PM): The question is though did everyone even have a role or alignment before no-exile was posted. I'm not so sure so thats why it's a hard sell. Heck, I didn't even know I was a democrat until the next morning
spies8chance (2:59:39 PM): there aren't any messages by spies8awohali in the opening chat transcript. i just checked.
spies8cory (2:59:42 PM): spies8tina: Spies8Awohali (9:23:01 PM):I am sure that as long as we are in teams, there will be a No Exile voting option.
spies8cinnamyn (3:00:00 PM): this iz rediculous
spies8cory (3:00:01 PM): spies8tina: Either way, that guy is very new, and that is a lot coming from me, or is doing a great job faking it.
spies8cinnamyn (3:00:04 PM): dat iz not suspishis at all
spies8cory (3:00:07 PM): spies8tina: Maybe I will sneak it into a conversation with him tomorrow.
spies8cory (3:00:11 PM): Do with that what you will
spies8jasmine (3:00:13 PM): okay maybe tina was in Spies 7, assumes it will happen again?
spies8jasmine (3:00:16 PM): that is so not scummy.
spies8cory (3:00:17 PM): That's four lines. I'm not pasting any more than that.
spies8jasmine (3:00:37 PM): u said it happened before, yes?
spies8jasmine (3:00:40 PM): she could just be a vet.
spies8chance (3:00:48 PM): and that's meta, which has no basis.
spies8cory (3:00:49 PM): This happened at 1 AM board time
spies8cory (3:00:52 PM): On Monday morning
spies8chance (3:01:02 PM): the real point here is that no exile votes weren't mentioned until after sam divided us into teams.
spies8jasmine (3:01:04 PM): mmk even if so, didnt stop her from guessing it would happen again
spies8cinnamyn (3:01:06 PM): so tina cumz 2 cory and sez awo iz either new or gud at faking it. so we got 3 spiez.?
spies8cory (3:01:19 PM): Chance
spies8cory (3:01:24 PM): AWOL is the one who mentioned it first
spies8cory (3:01:29 PM): If anyone slipped it'd be him. Lol.
spies8cory (3:01:34 PM): That's where the entire notion came from
spies8cory (3:01:54 PM): But it doesn't seem ridiculous
spies8cory (3:02:00 PM): Someone mentioned that he got it from the last game or something
spies8chance (3:02:01 PM): i'd like to see hal mentioning it in context.
spies8chance (3:02:22 PM): does anyone happen to have that bit handy?
spies8cory (3:02:31 PM): Sincethe last game had the same early scenario of two teams and a no exiling option
spies8cory (3:02:36 PM): It's posted somewhere. Go find it
spies8cory (3:02:42 PM): Can't recall where.
spies8cory (3:02:46 PM): I don't have it since I wasn't there.
spies8chance (3:02:52 PM): well, it's not in the opening chat transcript.
spies8chance (3:03:06 PM): and it's not in any of the transcripts posted in the democrats board.
spies8chance (3:03:09 PM): of which there are one.
spies8isaac (3:04:14 PM): Wow, I'm sorry Chance this whole arguement is just such a leap. If it's true then yes 3 possible spies if it's not then it's three citizens. But the basis for all of this is that it was mentioned. I know Sam posted some of these people have played in previous games and others were talking about mafia so I really can't base my vote off of this literally hit or miss idea. There are too many unknows.
spies8chance (3:05:40 PM): if the entire basis for thinking my theory is idiotic is that "oh people played in past spies games" then i'm sorry but that is entirely sloppy play.
spies8chance (3:06:06 PM): yes, there are probably veterans playing in this game.
spies8chance (3:06:11 PM): does that make hal a veteran?
spies8cory (3:06:11 PM): The bottom line is that the entire debacle started based on the comment that Hal made.
spies8chance (3:06:20 PM): answer - we can't know that.
spies8chance (3:06:30 PM): and since we can't know that, we can't base our thinking on it.
spies8cory (3:06:38 PM): Tina caught the comment, brought it to me
spies8cory (3:06:41 PM): I brought it to Hal
spies8cory (3:06:43 PM): Then to the chat
spies8cory (3:06:48 PM): That's how Claude gave his own interpretation
spies8chance (3:07:11 PM): cory - did hal's comment occur before or after sam split us into teams and mentioned the no-exile vote option?
spies8chance (3:07:14 PM): yes or no?
spies8cory (3:07:23 PM): The hell if I know. I wasn't in the chat. Lol.
spies8isaac (3:07:23 PM): It's sloppy to not consider the possibility. We are all here for the same game. It just seems that you don't even believe the possibility exists that two people may have chatted about this as an option because they played in past games. I feel any of us couldn't know either way so am just trying to understand why you are so certain of this
spies8cory (3:07:27 PM): It was before teams were decided
spies8cory (3:07:36 PM): It was 1 AM board time
spies8chance (3:07:47 PM): excuse me? you seem to be the one who are certain that it happened that way.
spies8chance (3:07:52 PM): okay, cory.
spies8chance (3:08:01 PM): then i made a mistake.
spies8cory (3:08:19 PM): Wait, hold on
spies8cory (3:08:26 PM): The chat I had with TINA was at 1 AM
spies8cory (3:08:30 PM): I don't know when Hal's comment was made
spies8cory (3:08:40 PM): (9:23:01 PM):
spies8chance (3:08:42 PM): well, obviously it had to have happened before that for tina to have commented on it.
spies8jasmine (3:08:44 PM): Anything to do with the hal shit, to me, = bullshit. :-) cause it was soooo close to alignment time that u guys dont even fucking know if they knew/didnt know. who is gunna have a plan made up right after they find out what they r--if its really that close anyways? :-\ even something so small as 'no exile'
spies8cory (3:08:52 PM): That's her time stamp. No clue what time zone she's in
spies8jasmine (3:08:55 PM): Jut think we should let it go away. :-\
spies8jasmine (3:08:57 PM): and never speak of it again
spies8jasmine (3:09:05 PM): its so boring, and retarded. and i want to stab myself with a pen
spies8cory (3:09:11 PM): You cut?
spies8jasmine (3:09:19 PM): i am in transition cory, its stressful
spies8cory (3:09:22 PM): Lol.
spies8cinnamyn (3:09:24 PM): chance u sed dis' isn't suspishis bcuz u were leanin' towards claude n' cory n e way, but wen i jus' asked u u sed u wuz thinkin' magalie n' broderick.
spies8chance (3:09:24 PM): then find us another topic, jas.
spies8chance (3:09:36 PM): because honestly i haven't seen you do much but whine.
spies8jasmine (3:09:48 PM): Fuck you Chance.
spies8chance (3:09:56 PM): i wasn't leaning towards claude and cory before this, cin. when did i say that?
spies8chance (3:10:12 PM): and when did i say that this 'isn't suspicious'?
spies8isaac (3:11:39 PM): Ok, it was a valid discussion, but I certainly can't base a vote off of it either way because of the unknowns with the time. There has to be a different avenue to go down and look for something else becuase I don't think this is convincing anyone. What else is there from the posted chat logs anyway
spies8cinnamyn (3:11:52 PM): spies8chance: (4:55:28 PM) also, 'zac, i brought it up as something to think about because i'm leaning towards cory and claude being spies.
spies8cinnamyn (3:12:14 PM): 4get da iznt suspishis part den das' jus' wut i thot u had sed
spies8chance (3:12:28 PM): uh huh. that's after i brought up the thing about hal's comment and cory and tina chatting.
spies8chance (3:12:35 PM): by then i was leaning towards cory and claude being spies.
spies8cinnamyn (3:12:50 PM): after jus' this mess and nothin' else.?
spies8claude (3:13:35 PM): I thought Tina and Cory might be spies together before I talked to you today, Chance. I already explained that.
spies8chance (3:13:39 PM): timeline - i talk to you. you ask who i'm thinking of voting. i say mags and brod. this chat happens. i think i found something that proves cory and tina are spies, and claude looks bad for defending and then jumping on them. <-- now i'm thinking cory and claude are spies.
spies8jasmine (3:13:45 PM): Where did Claude come from
spies8cinnamyn (3:13:52 PM): dat wuz a quick shift lmbo
spies8chance (3:14:23 PM): yeah, it was. it was also quickly found evidence. and besides, i don't have anything on mags and i'm afraid brod might be an omgus.
spies8jasmine (3:14:34 PM): what is an omgus
spies8jasmine (3:14:35 PM): ?
spies8chance (3:14:45 PM): and claude, the only thing you've said so far against tina is that you think it's suspicious that tina chose cory of all people to talk to about hal.
spies8chance (3:14:58 PM): and you didn't even say that until after i accused you of damage control.
spies8jasmine (3:15:07 PM): tina is white, the gurl is gunna go towards abusive egotistical men like cory.
spies8claude (3:15:07 PM): I think it was suspicious that A)she brought it up to someone individually, and not publicly, and B)that it was Cory.
spies8claude (3:15:22 PM): And I've had this conversation before(a couple of days ago), with Broderick
spies8chance (3:15:35 PM): maybe you have. like i said. this is the first i heard of it.
spies8claude (3:16:23 PM): It's particularly suspect for Tina to have a private conversation with Cory AFTER teams were announced though, clearly.
spies8cory (3:16:36 PM): Teams were not announced, Einstein
spies8cory (3:16:42 PM): It was after opening chat and before teams
spies8chance (3:16:47 PM): except i think we just figured out that teams hadn't been announced yet.
spies8jasmine (3:17:04 PM): ugh not this again. brb
spies8cory (3:17:06 PM): Otherwise you'd have a point.
spies8claude (3:17:13 PM): ...
spies8claude (3:17:17 PM): That was what I thought to begin with
spies8chance (3:17:19 PM): i didn't see how anyone could know that there would be a no-exile vote option until sam mentioned it.
spies8claude (3:17:21 PM): And Chance said otherwise.
spies8cory (3:17:23 PM): Sam made a thread discussing HOW he was going to decide teams
spies8cory (3:17:28 PM): He didn't post them till I got up the next day
spies8chance (3:17:30 PM): and sam didn't mention it until after teams were decided.
spies8chance (3:17:36 PM): about eleven minutes after, according to the timestamps.
spies8chance (3:17:48 PM): apparently hal mentioned it in an unrelated context, and that's what all this is stemming from.
spies8claude (3:18:46 PM): Doesn't change alot for me, I'm still put off by Tina bringing it up privately to Cory.
spies8chance (3:19:17 PM): how much of that is because you already thought cory was a spy?
spies8claude (3:19:25 PM): Admittedly, some.
spies8claude (3:19:34 PM): But not all.
