Group Chat, Sunday Afternoon, June 20
Jun 20, 2010 17:31:14 GMT -6
Post by Awohali on Jun 20, 2010 17:31:14 GMT -6
spies8lawrence (2:03:44 PM): Huh. I was hopi g for more people here.
Spies8Awohali (2:03:55 PM): As was I, sadly.
Spies8Awohali (2:04:03 PM): It has been this way since I logged on.
spies8lawrence (2:05:21 PM): I'm running a nice strong fever, but stuck awake forr the moment. Thought I'd get an hour in before going back to bed.
spies8lawrence (2:05:46 PM): Know of any changes in thinking since last night? Board seems to inicate not.
Spies8Awohali (2:06:16 PM): None that I am aware oif. It seems to come down to Margot and Claude as the two receiving multiple votes.
spies8lawrence (2:07:42 PM): And claudes been defending himself vehemently, but margot has been quiet. Am I right?
Spies8Awohali (2:08:02 PM): Basically, yes. Margot was on last night for a little while, though.
Spies8Awohali (2:08:15 PM): She did nothing to alleviate the suspicions on here, however.
spies8lawrence (2:08:22 PM): Hmm.
spies8lawrence (2:08:44 PM): Was anything further brought up on her other than the lurking?
Spies8Awohali (2:09:10 PM): Not really, and when she was online, she did participate in discussions in the chat room.
Spies8Awohali (2:09:52 PM): But no one who suspected her beforehand has changed their perception of her from that chat, so it did her no good as far as I can tell.
spies8lawrence (2:09:54 PM): Well, that's something, I guess.
Spies8Awohali (2:10:34 PM): Yes, I am planning to give her the benefit of the doubt for round one, although that grace period will not extend into the future.
spies8lawrence (2:13:40 PM): Yeah, I guess. I'm still not convined about my vote right now, but I just don't see anything better.
Spies8Awohali (2:13:57 PM): Who is your vote resting on at the moment?
spies8lawrence (2:14:06 PM): Claude, still.
Spies8Awohali (2:14:18 PM): Perhaps that will wake Claude up, ha!
spies8lawrence (2:15:24 PM): I doubt it. He's probably of rehashing the same arguments, and I'm not sure it would help anyway. He needs someone to do something stupid, I think.
Spies8Awohali (2:16:06 PM): You say he needs to do something stupid? I am not sure I understand.
spies8lawrence (2:16:21 PM): No, he needs someone else to.
Spies8Awohali (2:16:34 PM): Ah, I misread, my apologies.
spies8lawrence (2:16:35 PM): That way someone else looks worse.
Spies8Awohali (2:16:57 PM): I am thinking the lack of people online shows the liklihood of that happening.
spies8lawrence (2:17:23 PM): Probably true. Fathers day putting a damper in things, I think.
Spies8Awohali (2:18:05 PM): Right. My father is not in the country at the moment, so it does not hamper me, although I plan to Skype with him later today.
spies8lawrence (2:18:29 PM): Skype sure can be useful sometimes.
Spies8Awohali (2:19:20 PM): It certainly can, I find it to be disconcerting, talking to someone far away, looking them in the fac.e
spies8lawrence (2:21:29 PM): Yeah.
spies8mary (2:28:21 PM): Hi.
Spies8Awohali (2:28:24 PM): Osiyo, Mary.
spies8mary (2:28:43 PM): Good morning, Awohali.
Spies8Awohali (2:28:57 PM): I have just read your latest post.
spies8claude (2:29:15 PM): I don't need anyone to do anything stupid.
spies8claude (2:29:24 PM): Camilla has shown her true colors.
spies8mary (2:29:47 PM): I just reviewed Camilla's posts as well.
spies8claude (2:29:53 PM): If I get lynched today, I get lynched today. She'll still be a Spy tomorrow.
spies8mary (2:30:06 PM): Are any of you fathers?
spies8claude (2:30:19 PM): I am.
Spies8Awohali (2:30:25 PM): I am not, which is both a great and terrible thing.
spies8mary (2:30:27 PM): Happy Father's Day.
spies8claude (2:30:34 PM): Thanks.
Spies8Awohali (2:30:40 PM): Happy father's day indeed, Claude.
spies8mary (2:30:41 PM): Are your children alive?
spies8mary (2:31:24 PM): I have a father but he died when I was 9.
Spies8Awohali (2:31:37 PM): I am sorry to hear this, Mary.
spies8mary (2:31:52 PM): He is a very nice man.
Spies8Awohali (2:32:36 PM): I am confident that he looks upon you with fondness today.
spies8mary (2:32:46 PM): Camilla said this, and Cory asked her about it.
spies8mary (2:32:49 PM): spies8camilla 6:04 pm
I'm 50/50 on Cory because he tends to hoard for info and not give any out, that and he can be kind of pushy. I'm not agreeing that the whole abrasiveness thing can be a factor, but something about him seems off.
spies8mary (2:33:31 PM): I haven't seen an answer from her, but I want to know why she feels that way.
Spies8Awohali (2:33:51 PM): I have yet to see her online since I have been online the past two days.
spies8claude (2:34:51 PM): Yes, my children are alive.
spies8claude (2:34:57 PM): They're 8, 9, and 11.
spies8mary (2:35:12 PM): Are they well-behaved?
spies8claude (2:35:15 PM): 9.10, and 11 rather(fingers in the wrong places there)
spies8claude (2:35:15 PM): meh
spies8claude (2:35:24 PM): as well-behaved as most girls that age, I suppose.
spies8mary (2:35:29 PM): Do you occasionally find yourself thinking they are Spies?
spies8claude (2:35:32 PM): They don't get into any real trouble.
spies8claude (2:35:34 PM): Nah
spies8claude (2:35:45 PM): They love me through and through, so they can't be Spies.
spies8mary (2:36:07 PM): I liked being 9.
spies8mary (2:36:14 PM): What is your 9 year old's name?
spies8mary (2:37:23 PM): Sigh.
spies8mary (2:37:37 PM): Lawrence, are you here?
spies8claude (2:37:54 PM): Serenity.
spies8lawrence (2:38:21 PM): Yeah, sorry. Was falling asleep, but thew sound of chance logging on woke me up.
spies8lawrence (2:38:32 PM): What's up?
spies8mary (2:39:11 PM): Just wanted to ask what your thoughts are about the game right now.
spies8mary (2:39:29 PM): I think I read that you suspect Claude.
Spies8Awohali (2:39:33 PM): It would be interesting to get Chance in here, I am looking between him and Claude as my vote options at the moment.
spies8mary (2:41:02 PM): While I wait for Lawrence to wake up again
spies8lawrence (2:41:13 PM): Yeah, I do. Or rather, I feel hes got more against him than anyone else right now.
spies8mary (2:41:14 PM): Can you please share your thoughts on Chance?
Spies8Awohali (2:41:44 PM): Of course. It falls to him being harmful for the game. Spreading misinformation or partial information can be very damaging and cause a lot of trouble, and he has done just that already.
spies8mary (2:42:32 PM): I just invited him.
Spies8Awohali (2:42:55 PM): Even in the case of him simply being mistaken on an assumption, if he is to often assume things without checking them, he may conmtinue to cause confusion and hearsay, and that is good only for Spies, not Citizens.
spies8mary (2:43:19 PM): I reviewed how people reacted to the bad information.
spies8mary (2:43:30 PM): For the most part, people are not jumping to conclusions.
spies8mary (2:43:53 PM): Camilla seemed most ready to accept false information, unless she has other information I'm unaware of.
Spies8Awohali (2:44:05 PM): And I consider Claude beside him because I feel that Claude is very set in his ways, will not entertain dissenting opinions, and may cause fights due to his style of exerting the utmost confidence in all of his suspicions, even early ones.
spies8claude (2:44:09 PM): She's a Spy, of course she was ready to accept false information.
spies8mary (2:44:17 PM): Claude was receptive to it twice, but in both cases backed off when he learned the truth.
spies8mary (2:44:39 PM): Broderick and Cinnamyn seemed skeptical of the information and seeked to verify.
Spies8Awohali (2:44:57 PM): Yes, Broderick and Cinnamyn's actions look good to me so fa.r
spies8mary (2:44:59 PM): And Cory seemed to react naturally to being falsely accused.
Spies8Awohali (2:45:01 PM): Hello, Chance.
spies8chance (2:45:10 PM): there we go.
spies8chance (2:45:16 PM): 'sup guys. wow, i'm lagging hardcore.
Spies8Awohali (2:45:22 PM): In Camilla's case, I have not yet even talked to her, so I do not plan to vote for her unless I have had a chance to do so.
spies8mary (2:45:27 PM): Cory's reaction was not at all over the top as I might expect from a Spy.
Spies8Awohali (2:47:07 PM): Chance, are you one to often make comments without verifying that they are true?
spies8chance (2:47:35 PM): apparently.
Spies8Awohali (2:47:47 PM): This... Is not a good thing.
spies8chance (2:48:26 PM): honestly i'm kind of annoyed now. i'm looking through my chats with mary to see exactly what was said, because i'm tired of the constant 'chance said mary said cory was pushy' stuff.
spies8chance (2:48:40 PM): also, hal - the 'apparently' was sarcastic.
spies8mary (2:49:00 PM): Chance, I got jumped about that on Friday night.
Spies8Awohali (2:49:00 PM): Well, when people say this, are they correct in doing so?
spies8mary (2:49:34 PM): When I asked you about it, you explained why it happened.
spies8chance (2:50:09 PM): and yet, for some reason, it /still/ keeps coming up.
spies8chance (2:50:16 PM): i'm getting tired o fit.
spies8mary (2:50:16 PM): I kind of understood. When I said "Cory is ignoring me." when he didn't accept the group invite for 30 seconds.
spies8chance (2:50:19 PM): *of it
spies8mary (2:50:36 PM): But then I said "He wants an invite." a few seconds later.
spies8chance (2:50:43 PM): and that's been translated lately to 'chance is putting words in people's mouths' and 'chance is saying things that aren't true'.
spies8mary (2:50:57 PM): That's how it felt, Chance.
spies8chance (2:51:18 PM): and i explained to you why you said that, and you apparently accepted it.
spies8chance (2:51:22 PM): *why i.
spies8chance (2:51:26 PM): sorry, tired. just got home from work.
spies8mary (2:51:45 PM): How did Claude jump on this Tina issue?
spies8mary (2:51:58 PM): It's one of the three reasons you list for suspecting him.
spies8chance (2:52:35 PM): hold on. i'm still finding quotes from our chat.
spies8chance (2:52:54 PM): spies8mary (3:09:11 PM):Chance, in that chat I never called Cory pushy. spies8mary (3:09:21 PM):And I never said he avoided answering my questions.
spies8chance (2:53:01 PM): spies8chance (3:15:11 PM):hm. i've read through the first part of the chat (before cin and company joined) and i don't think you ever actually said cory was pushy. what you did say was that he 'came after you' and 'called you names'. maybe that's where i got it. spies8chance (3:16:34 PM):you also said he ignored you.
spies8mary (2:53:11 PM): Right.
spies8chance (2:53:27 PM): so yes, pushy was the word i attributed to the attitude i thought you were saying cory was displaying.
spies8mary (2:53:33 PM): Ok.
spies8chance (2:53:35 PM): no, you never specifically used the word pushy.
spies8mary (2:53:43 PM): Other people stretched that to "pushes for information"
spies8mary (2:53:47 PM): "without giving any"
spies8mary (2:53:58 PM): And it never really went corrected until I arrived.
Spies8Awohali (2:54:02 PM): Typical middle school syndrome, it appears.
spies8mary (2:54:19 PM): Again, how did Claude jump on your incorrect statement about Tina?
spies8chance (2:55:01 PM): regarding claude - it felt like he jumped on tina when i was mistaken about the timing issue. i think i have a point against cory and tina and then all of a sudden claude's like 'oh yeah i think tina and cory are both spies together'.
spies8chance (2:55:15 PM): yes, my point ended up to be a mistake.
spies8mary (2:57:10 PM): He was already suspicious of Tina. Do you recall why?
Spies8Awohali (2:57:20 PM): Those are two major information mistakes you made early in the game, Chance.
spies8chance (2:58:37 PM): yes. he said he was suspicious of tina for not bringing up her suspicion of hal publically and instead going privately to cory about it.
spies8chance (2:59:25 PM): i'm sorry you feel that way, hal, but i think that's been pointed out quite enough, thanks much.
spies8mary (2:59:32 PM): Was it at all obvious that your statement about Tina was false?
spies8mary (2:59:43 PM): Or could it reasonably be accepted by Claude?
spies8chance (3:00:00 PM): it wasn't obvious that my statement was in error, at least to me, until cory arrived.
spies8mary (3:00:02 PM): You say he was far too ready to accept bad information about her?
Spies8Awohali (3:00:20 PM): I will point things out as I wish to, whether they ahve been pointed out already or not.
spies8claude (3:00:22 PM): What happened is.
spies8chance (3:00:33 PM): 'sup claude.
spies8chance (3:01:10 PM): feel free to, hal, but i don't think you need to be trying to scold me here.
spies8chance (3:01:14 PM): just sayin'.
Spies8Awohali (3:01:47 PM): I am not, I am making known that I am aware of them for that would be what I would base my vote off of should I decide to vote for you tonight.
spies8chance (3:02:18 PM): it's good to know that you consider them mistakes, yet consider them voting material anyway.
Spies8Awohali (3:02:40 PM): If you read my posts, you would understand why that is.
spies8mary (3:03:25 PM): Claude, are you still typing?
Spies8Awohali (3:03:27 PM): In the event that a solid suspect does not emerge, I will focus my vote upon the most harmful player around.
spies8chance (3:03:54 PM): oh, so you consider me 'harmful'?
Spies8Awohali (3:04:10 PM): I consider false information to be harmful.
spies8claude (3:04:38 PM): need a minute
spies8chance (3:04:48 PM): and i think you're blowing things a teensy bit out of proportion.
spies8mary (3:05:15 PM): Chance, I would like to hear more specifically why you suspect Claude
spies8mary (3:05:19 PM): For the way he reacted
Spies8Awohali (3:05:23 PM): That is your right to a fair opinion, but I respectfully disagree.
spies8mary (3:05:25 PM): to your incorrect information
spies8chance (3:05:49 PM): i don't know how more specific i can be. i think i've already gone into great detail.
spies8claude (3:06:24 PM): Chance messaged me privately, and asked if I had any new reasons to be suspicious of Cory.
spies8claude (3:06:49 PM): I told him that I'd learned that Tina went to Cory in private, after alignment was announced, and talked to him about Awohlia
spies8chance (3:07:09 PM): that's not when you told me that, claude.
spies8chance (3:07:11 PM): i don't think.
spies8claude (3:07:12 PM): I found this to be suspect for a few reasons. For one, Awohlia really didn't say anything bad, and it looked like she was trying to make something out of nothing.
spies8claude (3:07:14 PM): Yes, it is.
spies8chance (3:07:39 PM): no, it's not.
spies8chance (3:07:39 PM): spies8chance (2:50:34 PM):do you have any new reasons? spies8claude (2:50:59 PM):Yesterday, someone asked him if he thought I was suspicious at all. He was very quick to say no. spies8chance (3:10:32 PM):anything else? spies8chance (3:10:36 PM):and what do you mean by 'very quick'? spies8claude (3:11:10 PM):I mean like, it didn't seem like he really had to think much about it. I dunno.
spies8claude (3:07:43 PM): Secondly, I found it odd that she would present this privately, especially to Cory. I thought that maybe they were both spies.
spies8chance (3:07:45 PM): that's the only 'new' reason you gave.
spies8claude (3:08:06 PM): It's all in that conversation, Chance.
Spies8Awohali (3:08:37 PM): What date did this conversation take place?
spies8chance (3:08:40 PM): no, it's not.
spies8chance (3:08:45 PM): i've been rereading it.
spies8chance (3:08:48 PM): tina isn't mentioned.
spies8chance (3:08:49 PM): neither is hal.
spies8chance (3:09:32 PM): claude, i can pm you this conversation - it's between us, so that's legal.
spies8claude (3:09:35 PM): Cory had explained that he offered, to Tina, to bring this up to Hal.
spies8chance (3:09:36 PM): this is the only conversation i have with you.
spies8claude (3:09:38 PM): fine, go ahead.
spies8claude (3:09:54 PM): maybe we discussed it at the start of the group chat, I'll look for it.
spies8claude (3:10:14 PM): Eventually, Chance said that Tina and Cory were talking *after* teams had been decided.
spies8chance (3:10:20 PM): sent.
spies8chance (3:10:55 PM): i honestly thought they were. sam didn't post in the burg about there being an option for no-exile until after teams were decided.
spies8mary (3:11:27 PM): So why is it suspicious for Claude to jump on that information?
spies8mary (3:11:38 PM): If he already suspected Tina for other things?
spies8chance (3:11:45 PM): because until that point i hadn't heard claude evidence any suspicion of tina.
spies8mary (3:11:51 PM): Oh.
Spies8Awohali (3:12:09 PM): And again, I ask, could the date of this conversation be provided?
spies8chance (3:12:10 PM): and the way he said it - 'i think tina and cory are both spies.' - seemed almost like an afterthought.
spies8claude (3:12:26 PM): And yes, obviously, I thought that this was suspicious.
spies8claude (3:12:38 PM): How can that be an 'afterthought'
spies8chance (3:12:45 PM): sunday, october 17, 2010, from 2:39 PM to 3:17 pm. my time.
spies8chance (3:12:56 PM): maybe afterthought isn't the correct word.
Spies8Awohali (3:13:03 PM): So this is a conversation from the future?
spies8chance (3:13:04 PM): it was very casual.
spies8chance (3:13:09 PM): almost like 'oh yeah, by the way'.
spies8chance (3:13:24 PM): apparently. i don't know why the date is so messed up.
spies8claude (3:13:33 PM): It was not meant to be casual
spies8chance (3:13:36 PM): that's just what my archive says.
Spies8Awohali (3:13:58 PM): An accurate date would be important in ascertaining the relevance of this situation... could you eprhaps see what date your archive says conversations from today are?
spies8claude (3:13:59 PM): And I must have talked to you about Tina/Cory privately, because your whole point #2 is that I got on Tina's case for mentioning her suspicisons privately, while I mentioned them privately to you
spies8chance (3:14:10 PM): wrong.
spies8chance (3:14:15 PM): you mentioned them privately to brod.
spies8chance (3:14:43 PM): sure, hal. let me message you real quick to put one from you in there.
Spies8Awohali (3:15:02 PM): Thank you, this is greatly appreciated.
spies8chance (3:15:09 PM): it says monday, october 18.
spies8chance (3:15:11 PM): so it was yesterday.
Spies8Awohali (3:16:21 PM): OK. So as of yesterday afternoon, before this conversation, you had not previously heard Claude evidence any suspicion of Tina, correct?
spies8chance (3:16:25 PM): correct.
Spies8Awohali (3:16:54 PM): Thank you. Now the burden of poof is on Claude to supply evidence that he did in fact mention suspicions of Tina before this happened.
spies8claude (3:17:08 PM): Broderick and I talked about it.
Spies8Awohali (3:17:09 PM): *Burden of proof. We are not magicians like Lawrence here.
spies8claude (3:17:14 PM): Not much, because honestly, it wasn't a big deal.
spies8chance (3:17:14 PM): spies8claude (3:24:26 PM):I think Tina and Cory are both spies, yes. spies8chance (3:24:44 PM):but you just said it happened before. not after. spies8chance (3:24:55 PM):and since when do you think tina's a spy? this is the first i've heard of that.
spies8chance (3:17:28 PM): from the group chat yesterday.
spies8mary (3:17:41 PM): Did he answer you?
Spies8Awohali (3:17:43 PM): And how did Claude respond to that?
spies8chance (3:18:08 PM): spies8claude (3:26:45 PM):I already thought it was suspicious that Tina chose to chat privately with Cory, of all people.
spies8mary (3:18:29 PM): Really?
spies8chance (3:18:30 PM): i think brod actually did confirm that claude talked to him about it.
spies8chance (3:18:37 PM): but i don't remember for sure.
spies8mary (3:18:47 PM): Ok, so when did Broderick confirm that to you?
spies8chance (3:18:57 PM): i don't remember. sometime yesterday.
spies8chance (3:19:02 PM): i'll look for it.
Spies8Awohali (3:19:22 PM): This is seeming to only become more convoluted rather than more clear/
spies8mary (3:20:32 PM): At 7PM yesterday you were still suspicious of him for this.
spies8mary (3:20:42 PM): So Broderick must have cleared it up after that.
spies8chance (3:20:44 PM): maybe brod didn't confirm it.
spies8chance (3:20:56 PM): i just ctrl-f'ed his name through my archive of the spies8democrats chat.
spies8chance (3:20:59 PM): i didn't see anything.
Spies8Awohali (3:21:19 PM): So you do suspect Claude for this still, right?
spies8chance (3:21:57 PM): yes, i do.
spies8chance (3:22:09 PM): even if he did talk about it privately to brod, he didn't bring it up publically.
spies8chance (3:22:16 PM): which is the same thing claude says he's suspicious of tina for.
Spies8Awohali (3:22:25 PM): A valid point.
spies8mary (3:23:00 PM): I'm not entirely in agreement about that.
spies8mary (3:23:09 PM): Claude and Tina aren't on the same team.
spies8claude (3:23:52 PM): I'll explain that.
spies8chance (3:23:53 PM): what difference does that make?
spies8claude (3:23:55 PM): In a minute.
Spies8Awohali (3:24:06 PM): I am not on Tina's team, but I do suspect her also, for twisting my quote the way that she did.
spies8mary (3:24:20 PM): I think it's less relevant to bring up your suspicions of people on the opposite team right now.
spies8chance (3:24:41 PM): rather than bring her suspicion of hal public, tina went to cory. rather than bring his suspicion of tina public, claude went to brod.
spies8claude (3:24:43 PM): That is part of why I didn't bring it up at first. It couldn't accomplish anything.
spies8chance (3:24:46 PM): it's the same situation.
spies8claude (3:24:58 PM): Plus, it was not a great suspicion, initially.
spies8mary (3:24:59 PM): But if Tina went to Cory, that was before the teams were made.
spies8mary (3:25:05 PM): Unless they are spies together.
spies8claude (3:25:20 PM): When I 'found out' that Tina went to Cory AFTER teams were made, of course I thought it was a big deal.
spies8chance (3:25:37 PM): claude, i'm not disputing that.
spies8mary (3:25:41 PM): That makes sense.
Spies8Awohali (3:28:40 PM): Perhaps Cory's presence may shed extra light on the matter.
spies8cory (3:29:02 PM): Yo.
spies8chance (3:29:12 PM): question - shouldn't lil have been back by now?
Spies8Awohali (3:29:13 PM): Osiyo, Cory.
spies8chance (3:29:14 PM): 'sup cory.
spies8cory (3:29:44 PM): Just reading up.
spies8cory (3:29:47 PM): Looks like I haven't missed much.
spies8chance (3:30:30 PM): mostly me being poked for why i suspect claude.
spies8cory (3:30:53 PM): Over his pseudo defense?
spies8chance (3:31:11 PM): partially that, partially the double-standard issue.
spies8cory (3:31:19 PM): I find Camilla's comment on me to be very bizarre.
spies8cory (3:31:23 PM): So bandwagony
spies8chance (3:31:25 PM): mary finds it odd that i suspect claude for jumping on my incorrect information.
spies8cory (3:31:30 PM): And fence sitting at the same time. Lol.
spies8chance (3:31:36 PM): (even though i didn't think it was incorrect at the time)
spies8chance (3:32:17 PM): claude, did you get that conversation i sent you?
spies8cory (3:32:25 PM): If he thought it was correct information, what's amiss?
spies8cory (3:32:44 PM): Or are you saying he attacked your incorrect information?
spies8chance (3:33:39 PM): no, i'm saying that he used it against tina and you very quickly. i can't fault him for using it, as i was also using it at the time. it was the method in which he did it that i'm suspicious of.
spies8chance (3:34:12 PM): it seemed very casual, like a 'by the way' comment.
spies8chance (3:34:34 PM): it's like, i bring up a point that i think is a slam-dunk against you and cory, and suddenly claude's like 'oh yeah, i think tina and cory are both spies'.
Spies8Awohali (3:35:15 PM): Well, if your point had been true, it really would have been important.
spies8mary (3:35:22 PM): I need to visit my father's grave.
spies8mary (3:35:30 PM): I'll be back later to place my vote.
spies8chance (3:35:35 PM): i called my dad and left a message on his answering machine.
spies8chance (3:35:39 PM): later, mary.
Spies8Awohali (3:35:41 PM): Farewell, Mary, I hope that you will have a pleasant time.
spies8mary (3:35:50 PM): We talk sometimes.
spies8mary (3:35:55 PM): He should be in a good mood today.
spies8cory (3:35:56 PM): I'm not sure. Claude was pretty much certain I was a Spy by that point.
spies8chance (3:36:02 PM): you, yes. tina?
Spies8Awohali (3:36:09 PM): I hope that he will be.
spies8cory (3:36:09 PM): Maybe not certain about her
spies8cory (3:36:23 PM): Lol "we talk sometimes"
spies8chance (3:36:29 PM): he's already said he didn't think his suspicion against tina was "a big deal". that's the reason he gave for not bringing it up publically.
spies8claude (3:36:42 PM): What was I supposed to do, Chance? Type it all in capitals with alot of explanation points
spies8chance (3:37:02 PM): no, claude, but going from 'it's not a big deal' to 'tina's a spy' seems like rather a big switch.
spies8claude (3:37:04 PM): You're attacking me for what is apparently our interpretation of a lack of emphasis. This is pretty ridiculous.
spies8claude (3:37:09 PM): Really?
spies8claude (3:37:24 PM): You had just told me that Tina and Cory talked AFTER teams were decided, when they were not on the same team.
spies8claude (3:37:45 PM): Obviously I was going to go from just being suspicious of Tina to thinking they were both spies.
spies8chance (3:38:08 PM): the way you said it seemed like you'd thought tina and cory were spies together the entire time.
spies8chance (3:38:42 PM): also... hm. i'm not sure how to make this point.
spies8claude (3:39:05 PM): You're really not being consistent here
spies8claude (3:39:17 PM): In one breath, you're saying that I didn't make a big enough deal out of it.
spies8chance (3:39:23 PM): no.
spies8chance (3:39:32 PM): now you're twisting my words like you twisted cam's.
spies8claude (3:39:51 PM): No
spies8claude (3:39:54 PM): I'm trying to understand.
spies8chance (3:40:12 PM): i said that you didn't think your suspicion of tina was a big deal, which is why you only mentioned it to brod instead of bringing it up publically.
spies8claude (3:40:19 PM): Okay.
spies8chance (3:40:24 PM): this was before the timing debacle.
spies8claude (3:40:27 PM): Right.
spies8claude (3:41:01 PM): I barely even mentioned it to Broderick. He said that he thought it was suspicious that Tina was trying to make a big case out of Awohlia's 'No Exile' bit.
spies8chance (3:41:11 PM): right.
spies8claude (3:41:14 PM): I said that I thought it was also suspicious that she only brought it up to Cory, and not publicly.
spies8chance (3:41:32 PM): so, again, to go from 'not a big deal' to 'tina's a spy'...
spies8claude (3:41:37 PM): Right
spies8claude (3:41:51 PM): I went to 'Tina is a Spy' when YOU said that she was talking to Cory after teams were announced.
spies8chance (3:42:04 PM): right.
spies8chance (3:42:08 PM): am i disputing that? no.
spies8claude (3:42:08 PM): Right.
Spies8Awohali (3:42:15 PM): Left.
spies8claude (3:42:15 PM): So I really don't see what the problem is?
spies8chance (3:42:45 PM): i'm having problems articulating what the problem is.
spies8chance (3:42:58 PM): there are several ways i want to say it but i keep pressing the backspace button because it's not right.
spies8chance (3:43:06 PM): grr.
spies8chance (3:43:54 PM): you immediately accepted what i said at face value without even bothering to talk to cory about it.
spies8chance (3:43:57 PM): that's kind of what i mean.
spies8chance (3:44:11 PM): ugh, did that come out wrong?
spies8claude (3:44:33 PM): I didn't think that you would make up something that could easily be fact-checked.
spies8claude (3:44:44 PM): And, I had specifically said that Tina and Cory talked before teams.
spies8claude (3:44:47 PM): And you said I was wrong.
Spies8Awohali (3:45:03 PM): Chance, did you not do the same thing by not checking the timing what you believed?
spies8claude (3:45:16 PM): So I assumed I had the timing bad, considering that I hadn't been on that night, etc.
spies8chance (3:45:25 PM): hal, are you in here specifically to pick at me? just asking.
spies8claude (3:45:31 PM): oooh
spies8claude (3:45:39 PM): Hal is asking you a legitimate question.
Spies8Awohali (3:45:59 PM): No, I am here to discover the situation, if you are unable to handle that, then perhaps you should not be playing this game. It sounds to me like you do not wish to be questioned.
spies8chance (3:46:04 PM): fine, then i'll answer it legitimately.
Spies8Awohali (3:46:12 PM): Thank you.
spies8chance (3:46:17 PM): really, hal? i've been answering every question thrown at me so far.
spies8chance (3:46:25 PM): it just seems to me like i'm the only one in here you want to ask anything of.
Spies8Awohali (3:46:38 PM): But this is not the first time you hqave complained about me reacting to your situation.
spies8chance (3:46:44 PM): so saying 'you don't wish to be questioned' is really kind of out of the ballparck.
spies8chance (3:46:49 PM): *ballpark.
spies8claude (3:46:53 PM): He asked me plenty of questions before you got here.
Spies8Awohali (3:47:18 PM): What Claude says is true. I also asked him some last night.
spies8claude (3:47:25 PM): Also, you're still not answering his question; you seem to be trying to change the subject.
spies8chance (3:47:44 PM): you do realize there are multiple comments directed at me right now.
spies8chance (3:47:47 PM): i'm getting to it.
spies8chance (3:47:58 PM): and claude, there are a couple of things you haven't answered, just fyi. pot calling kettle, i think.
spies8chance (3:48:05 PM): to answer hal, before i get interrupted again.
spies8claude (3:48:21 PM): Nice potshot there. What have I not answered?
spies8claude (3:48:31 PM): I'm pretty clearly trying to answer everything addressed to me.
spies8chance (3:48:39 PM): hal.
spies8chance (3:48:53 PM): i checked the timing of what i thought was relevant.
spies8chance (3:48:56 PM): so no, it's not the same thing.
Spies8Awohali (3:49:09 PM): And what exactly did you think was relevant?
spies8chance (3:49:16 PM): sam's post explaining the no-exile vote.
spies8chance (3:49:46 PM): at the time, i didn't think your comment about the no-exile vote had anything to do with the situation except that it was the subject of discusison between cory and tina.
spies8claude (3:50:25 PM): When did you check it? It certainly wasn't before you went out of your way to tell me that I was wrong in my impression that Tina and Cory talked before teams.
spies8chance (3:50:27 PM): claude.
spies8chance (3:50:57 PM): i'm going to answer your other question first, so you don't accuse me of trying to avoid questions when you ask me multiple ones at once. again.
spies8chance (3:51:34 PM): spies8claude 2:09 pm
fine, go ahead.
maybe we discussed it at the start of the group chat, I'll look for it.
spies8chance (3:51:51 PM): spies8claude 2:14 pm
And I must have talked to you about Tina/Cory privately, because your whole point #2 is that I got on Tina's case for mentioning her suspicisons privately, while I mentioned them privately to you
spies8chance (3:51:56 PM): this entire situation is one you have not addressed.
spies8chance (3:52:11 PM): spies8mary 2:23 pm
I'm not entirely in agreement about that.
Claude and Tina aren't on the same team.
spies8claude 2:24 pm
I'll explain that.
spies8chance (3:52:13 PM): you haven't.
spies8chance (3:52:34 PM): sorry, didn't realize you'd left the room.
spies8chance (3:52:36 PM): i'll repost.
spies8chance (3:52:49 PM): spies8claude 2:14 pm
And I must have talked to you about Tina/Cory privately, because your whole point #2 is that I got on Tina's case for mentioning her suspicisons privately, while I mentioned them privately to you
this entire situation is one you have not addressed.
spies8mary 2:23 pm
I'm not entirely in agreement about that.
Claude and Tina aren't on the same team.
spies8claude 2:24 pm
I'll explain that.
you haven't.
spies8claude (3:53:29 PM): I've explained that multiple times.
spies8claude (3:53:35 PM): But once again.
spies8chance (3:53:50 PM): have i missed it, then?
spies8claude (3:53:54 PM): Apparently.
spies8chance (3:53:57 PM): because i don't recall you ever explaining it.
spies8claude (3:54:28 PM): I'm curious how this is 'you answering my questions', by the way. But it's fine, I'll explain it again.
spies8chance (3:54:40 PM): did you ever find where you said this -
spies8chance (3:54:42 PM): spies8claude 2:06 pm
Chance messaged me privately, and asked if I had any new reasons to be suspicious of Cory.
I told him that I'd learned that Tina went to Cory in private, after alignment was announced, and talked to him about Awohlia
spies8chance (3:54:48 PM): because it wasn't in our conversation.
spies8chance (3:55:14 PM): claude, this does happen to be an answer to one of your questions.
spies8chance (3:55:16 PM): specifically -
spies8claude (3:55:24 PM): I honestly thought that I said that to you in private conversation. I must have said something about it to you, because you've been making a big deal out of me bringing up Tina privately to you.
spies8chance (3:55:27 PM): spies8claude 2:48 pm
Nice potshot there. What have I not answered?
spies8chance (3:55:55 PM): claude - no. i haven't. i've been making a big deal about you bringing up tina privately to brod.
spies8chance (3:56:02 PM): we've been over this.
spies8claude (3:56:27 PM): Hold on, let me look for something from yesterday.
spies8chance (3:56:31 PM): okay.
spies8claude (3:57:06 PM): Do you have the chat log from before you lagged out yesterday?
spies8chance (3:57:58 PM): which one?
spies8chance (3:58:09 PM): if i don't, it's probably posted in the thread, isn't it?
spies8claude (3:58:13 PM): Before 5:45 PM
spies8claude (3:58:17 PM): I can't find it so far.
spies8claude (3:58:32 PM): disregard
spies8claude (3:58:39 PM): Broderick posted it after yours, looks like
spies8chance (3:58:44 PM): was this before camilla?
spies8chance (3:58:45 PM): okay.
spies8claude (3:58:50 PM): no nevermind
spies8claude (3:58:55 PM): His is after Camilla.
spies8chance (3:59:38 PM): what exactly are you looking for?
spies8claude (4:00:57 PM): Yesterday's group chat from before Camilla.
spies8claude (4:01:03 PM): That's when we were talking about Cory/Tina etc.
spies8chance (4:01:44 PM): yes, i have it. isn't it posted?
spies8claude (4:01:57 PM): I can't find it if it is.
spies8chance (4:02:06 PM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dems&action=display&thread=329
spies8chance (4:02:10 PM): isn't this it?
spies8chance (4:02:21 PM): oh, wait.
spies8chance (4:02:25 PM): that was after i lagged out.
spies8chance (4:02:43 PM): yes, i have it. it's in my archive. let me post it real fast.
spies8claude (4:03:03 PM): I have to go AFK a few minutes while you do that, I'll address it when I get back.
spies8chance (4:04:18 PM): posted.
spies8claude (4:05:43 PM): back for a bit
spies8chance (4:06:40 PM): i really need a nap, guys, i'm exhausted.
spies8chance (4:07:01 PM): could you answer this real fast, claude?
spies8chance (4:08:55 PM): alright, i guess not.
spies8chance (4:09:07 PM): well, i'll be back before exile, so hopefully i can hear it then.
spies8chance (4:09:09 PM): later guys.
spies8cory (4:09:12 PM): Later.
spies8cory (4:09:21 PM): Not really seeing Chance's point. Lol.
spies8claude (4:09:26 PM): He doesn't have one.
Spies8Awohali (4:09:31 PM): Nor am I...
spies8claude (4:09:43 PM): He just used this as a distraction to avoid answering Awohali's point, and my follow up.
spies8claude (4:09:51 PM): I wanted to humor him so that I could make him address those.
spies8cory (4:09:51 PM): Yes
spies8cory (4:09:58 PM): I know. I made comment of it in my confessional
spies8cory (4:10:03 PM): He looks slimy there
spies8claude (4:10:05 PM): But now he's gone, shrug.
Spies8Awohali (4:10:23 PM): I doubt that he will cease avoiding these issues when he logs back on later
spies8claude (4:10:24 PM): Interesting, Cory.
spies8cory (4:10:33 PM): What is interesting?
spies8claude (4:10:44 PM): I don't think that a Spy would have the foresight to say 'I made comment of it in my confessional'.
spies8claude (4:10:49 PM): It's a very natural though.
spies8claude (4:10:51 PM): thought.
spies8claude (4:10:58 PM): I retract my previous suspicions of you.
spies8cory (4:11:01 PM): I made more comments than that
spies8cory (4:11:03 PM): I was watching the entire time
Spies8Awohali (4:11:09 PM): I'm making a comment of this in my confessional.
spies8cory (4:11:12 PM): You two are almost definitely not spies together
Spies8Awohali (4:11:19 PM): Just kidding, of course.
spies8claude (4:11:56 PM): lol Awo
spies8claude (4:12:17 PM): It doesn't really matter that you made comments, it matters that you mentioned it so casually.
spies8claude (4:12:31 PM): Like..it's possible for a Spy to do that, but it is pretty unlikely.
spies8claude (4:12:43 PM): It's just a very citizen-mindset statement.
spies8cory (4:12:56 PM): That's because I'm a Citizen!
Spies8Awohali (4:13:10 PM): We can only hope that this is still this case here
spies8cory (4:13:17 PM): Lol.
spies8claude (4:26:23 PM): Awwww
spies8claude (4:26:27 PM): He didn't even say goodbye
Spies8Awohali (4:26:39 PM): My heart is crushed.
Spies8Awohali (4:43:37 PM): I think I am going to rest for a little while, and stretch out. I will see you later tonight, Claude.
Spies8Awohali (2:03:55 PM): As was I, sadly.
Spies8Awohali (2:04:03 PM): It has been this way since I logged on.
spies8lawrence (2:05:21 PM): I'm running a nice strong fever, but stuck awake forr the moment. Thought I'd get an hour in before going back to bed.
spies8lawrence (2:05:46 PM): Know of any changes in thinking since last night? Board seems to inicate not.
Spies8Awohali (2:06:16 PM): None that I am aware oif. It seems to come down to Margot and Claude as the two receiving multiple votes.
spies8lawrence (2:07:42 PM): And claudes been defending himself vehemently, but margot has been quiet. Am I right?
Spies8Awohali (2:08:02 PM): Basically, yes. Margot was on last night for a little while, though.
Spies8Awohali (2:08:15 PM): She did nothing to alleviate the suspicions on here, however.
spies8lawrence (2:08:22 PM): Hmm.
spies8lawrence (2:08:44 PM): Was anything further brought up on her other than the lurking?
Spies8Awohali (2:09:10 PM): Not really, and when she was online, she did participate in discussions in the chat room.
Spies8Awohali (2:09:52 PM): But no one who suspected her beforehand has changed their perception of her from that chat, so it did her no good as far as I can tell.
spies8lawrence (2:09:54 PM): Well, that's something, I guess.
Spies8Awohali (2:10:34 PM): Yes, I am planning to give her the benefit of the doubt for round one, although that grace period will not extend into the future.
spies8lawrence (2:13:40 PM): Yeah, I guess. I'm still not convined about my vote right now, but I just don't see anything better.
Spies8Awohali (2:13:57 PM): Who is your vote resting on at the moment?
spies8lawrence (2:14:06 PM): Claude, still.
Spies8Awohali (2:14:18 PM): Perhaps that will wake Claude up, ha!
spies8lawrence (2:15:24 PM): I doubt it. He's probably of rehashing the same arguments, and I'm not sure it would help anyway. He needs someone to do something stupid, I think.
Spies8Awohali (2:16:06 PM): You say he needs to do something stupid? I am not sure I understand.
spies8lawrence (2:16:21 PM): No, he needs someone else to.
Spies8Awohali (2:16:34 PM): Ah, I misread, my apologies.
spies8lawrence (2:16:35 PM): That way someone else looks worse.
Spies8Awohali (2:16:57 PM): I am thinking the lack of people online shows the liklihood of that happening.
spies8lawrence (2:17:23 PM): Probably true. Fathers day putting a damper in things, I think.
Spies8Awohali (2:18:05 PM): Right. My father is not in the country at the moment, so it does not hamper me, although I plan to Skype with him later today.
spies8lawrence (2:18:29 PM): Skype sure can be useful sometimes.
Spies8Awohali (2:19:20 PM): It certainly can, I find it to be disconcerting, talking to someone far away, looking them in the fac.e
spies8lawrence (2:21:29 PM): Yeah.
spies8mary (2:28:21 PM): Hi.
Spies8Awohali (2:28:24 PM): Osiyo, Mary.
spies8mary (2:28:43 PM): Good morning, Awohali.
Spies8Awohali (2:28:57 PM): I have just read your latest post.
spies8claude (2:29:15 PM): I don't need anyone to do anything stupid.
spies8claude (2:29:24 PM): Camilla has shown her true colors.
spies8mary (2:29:47 PM): I just reviewed Camilla's posts as well.
spies8claude (2:29:53 PM): If I get lynched today, I get lynched today. She'll still be a Spy tomorrow.
spies8mary (2:30:06 PM): Are any of you fathers?
spies8claude (2:30:19 PM): I am.
Spies8Awohali (2:30:25 PM): I am not, which is both a great and terrible thing.
spies8mary (2:30:27 PM): Happy Father's Day.
spies8claude (2:30:34 PM): Thanks.
Spies8Awohali (2:30:40 PM): Happy father's day indeed, Claude.
spies8mary (2:30:41 PM): Are your children alive?
spies8mary (2:31:24 PM): I have a father but he died when I was 9.
Spies8Awohali (2:31:37 PM): I am sorry to hear this, Mary.
spies8mary (2:31:52 PM): He is a very nice man.
Spies8Awohali (2:32:36 PM): I am confident that he looks upon you with fondness today.
spies8mary (2:32:46 PM): Camilla said this, and Cory asked her about it.
spies8mary (2:32:49 PM): spies8camilla 6:04 pm
I'm 50/50 on Cory because he tends to hoard for info and not give any out, that and he can be kind of pushy. I'm not agreeing that the whole abrasiveness thing can be a factor, but something about him seems off.
spies8mary (2:33:31 PM): I haven't seen an answer from her, but I want to know why she feels that way.
Spies8Awohali (2:33:51 PM): I have yet to see her online since I have been online the past two days.
spies8claude (2:34:51 PM): Yes, my children are alive.
spies8claude (2:34:57 PM): They're 8, 9, and 11.
spies8mary (2:35:12 PM): Are they well-behaved?
spies8claude (2:35:15 PM): 9.10, and 11 rather(fingers in the wrong places there)
spies8claude (2:35:15 PM): meh
spies8claude (2:35:24 PM): as well-behaved as most girls that age, I suppose.
spies8mary (2:35:29 PM): Do you occasionally find yourself thinking they are Spies?
spies8claude (2:35:32 PM): They don't get into any real trouble.
spies8claude (2:35:34 PM): Nah
spies8claude (2:35:45 PM): They love me through and through, so they can't be Spies.
spies8mary (2:36:07 PM): I liked being 9.
spies8mary (2:36:14 PM): What is your 9 year old's name?
spies8mary (2:37:23 PM): Sigh.
spies8mary (2:37:37 PM): Lawrence, are you here?
spies8claude (2:37:54 PM): Serenity.
spies8lawrence (2:38:21 PM): Yeah, sorry. Was falling asleep, but thew sound of chance logging on woke me up.
spies8lawrence (2:38:32 PM): What's up?
spies8mary (2:39:11 PM): Just wanted to ask what your thoughts are about the game right now.
spies8mary (2:39:29 PM): I think I read that you suspect Claude.
Spies8Awohali (2:39:33 PM): It would be interesting to get Chance in here, I am looking between him and Claude as my vote options at the moment.
spies8mary (2:41:02 PM): While I wait for Lawrence to wake up again
spies8lawrence (2:41:13 PM): Yeah, I do. Or rather, I feel hes got more against him than anyone else right now.
spies8mary (2:41:14 PM): Can you please share your thoughts on Chance?
Spies8Awohali (2:41:44 PM): Of course. It falls to him being harmful for the game. Spreading misinformation or partial information can be very damaging and cause a lot of trouble, and he has done just that already.
spies8mary (2:42:32 PM): I just invited him.
Spies8Awohali (2:42:55 PM): Even in the case of him simply being mistaken on an assumption, if he is to often assume things without checking them, he may conmtinue to cause confusion and hearsay, and that is good only for Spies, not Citizens.
spies8mary (2:43:19 PM): I reviewed how people reacted to the bad information.
spies8mary (2:43:30 PM): For the most part, people are not jumping to conclusions.
spies8mary (2:43:53 PM): Camilla seemed most ready to accept false information, unless she has other information I'm unaware of.
Spies8Awohali (2:44:05 PM): And I consider Claude beside him because I feel that Claude is very set in his ways, will not entertain dissenting opinions, and may cause fights due to his style of exerting the utmost confidence in all of his suspicions, even early ones.
spies8claude (2:44:09 PM): She's a Spy, of course she was ready to accept false information.
spies8mary (2:44:17 PM): Claude was receptive to it twice, but in both cases backed off when he learned the truth.
spies8mary (2:44:39 PM): Broderick and Cinnamyn seemed skeptical of the information and seeked to verify.
Spies8Awohali (2:44:57 PM): Yes, Broderick and Cinnamyn's actions look good to me so fa.r
spies8mary (2:44:59 PM): And Cory seemed to react naturally to being falsely accused.
Spies8Awohali (2:45:01 PM): Hello, Chance.
spies8chance (2:45:10 PM): there we go.
spies8chance (2:45:16 PM): 'sup guys. wow, i'm lagging hardcore.
Spies8Awohali (2:45:22 PM): In Camilla's case, I have not yet even talked to her, so I do not plan to vote for her unless I have had a chance to do so.
spies8mary (2:45:27 PM): Cory's reaction was not at all over the top as I might expect from a Spy.
Spies8Awohali (2:47:07 PM): Chance, are you one to often make comments without verifying that they are true?
spies8chance (2:47:35 PM): apparently.
Spies8Awohali (2:47:47 PM): This... Is not a good thing.
spies8chance (2:48:26 PM): honestly i'm kind of annoyed now. i'm looking through my chats with mary to see exactly what was said, because i'm tired of the constant 'chance said mary said cory was pushy' stuff.
spies8chance (2:48:40 PM): also, hal - the 'apparently' was sarcastic.
spies8mary (2:49:00 PM): Chance, I got jumped about that on Friday night.
Spies8Awohali (2:49:00 PM): Well, when people say this, are they correct in doing so?
spies8mary (2:49:34 PM): When I asked you about it, you explained why it happened.
spies8chance (2:50:09 PM): and yet, for some reason, it /still/ keeps coming up.
spies8chance (2:50:16 PM): i'm getting tired o fit.
spies8mary (2:50:16 PM): I kind of understood. When I said "Cory is ignoring me." when he didn't accept the group invite for 30 seconds.
spies8chance (2:50:19 PM): *of it
spies8mary (2:50:36 PM): But then I said "He wants an invite." a few seconds later.
spies8chance (2:50:43 PM): and that's been translated lately to 'chance is putting words in people's mouths' and 'chance is saying things that aren't true'.
spies8mary (2:50:57 PM): That's how it felt, Chance.
spies8chance (2:51:18 PM): and i explained to you why you said that, and you apparently accepted it.
spies8chance (2:51:22 PM): *why i.
spies8chance (2:51:26 PM): sorry, tired. just got home from work.
spies8mary (2:51:45 PM): How did Claude jump on this Tina issue?
spies8mary (2:51:58 PM): It's one of the three reasons you list for suspecting him.
spies8chance (2:52:35 PM): hold on. i'm still finding quotes from our chat.
spies8chance (2:52:54 PM): spies8mary (3:09:11 PM):Chance, in that chat I never called Cory pushy. spies8mary (3:09:21 PM):And I never said he avoided answering my questions.
spies8chance (2:53:01 PM): spies8chance (3:15:11 PM):hm. i've read through the first part of the chat (before cin and company joined) and i don't think you ever actually said cory was pushy. what you did say was that he 'came after you' and 'called you names'. maybe that's where i got it. spies8chance (3:16:34 PM):you also said he ignored you.
spies8mary (2:53:11 PM): Right.
spies8chance (2:53:27 PM): so yes, pushy was the word i attributed to the attitude i thought you were saying cory was displaying.
spies8mary (2:53:33 PM): Ok.
spies8chance (2:53:35 PM): no, you never specifically used the word pushy.
spies8mary (2:53:43 PM): Other people stretched that to "pushes for information"
spies8mary (2:53:47 PM): "without giving any"
spies8mary (2:53:58 PM): And it never really went corrected until I arrived.
Spies8Awohali (2:54:02 PM): Typical middle school syndrome, it appears.
spies8mary (2:54:19 PM): Again, how did Claude jump on your incorrect statement about Tina?
spies8chance (2:55:01 PM): regarding claude - it felt like he jumped on tina when i was mistaken about the timing issue. i think i have a point against cory and tina and then all of a sudden claude's like 'oh yeah i think tina and cory are both spies together'.
spies8chance (2:55:15 PM): yes, my point ended up to be a mistake.
spies8mary (2:57:10 PM): He was already suspicious of Tina. Do you recall why?
Spies8Awohali (2:57:20 PM): Those are two major information mistakes you made early in the game, Chance.
spies8chance (2:58:37 PM): yes. he said he was suspicious of tina for not bringing up her suspicion of hal publically and instead going privately to cory about it.
spies8chance (2:59:25 PM): i'm sorry you feel that way, hal, but i think that's been pointed out quite enough, thanks much.
spies8mary (2:59:32 PM): Was it at all obvious that your statement about Tina was false?
spies8mary (2:59:43 PM): Or could it reasonably be accepted by Claude?
spies8chance (3:00:00 PM): it wasn't obvious that my statement was in error, at least to me, until cory arrived.
spies8mary (3:00:02 PM): You say he was far too ready to accept bad information about her?
Spies8Awohali (3:00:20 PM): I will point things out as I wish to, whether they ahve been pointed out already or not.
spies8claude (3:00:22 PM): What happened is.
spies8chance (3:00:33 PM): 'sup claude.
spies8chance (3:01:10 PM): feel free to, hal, but i don't think you need to be trying to scold me here.
spies8chance (3:01:14 PM): just sayin'.
Spies8Awohali (3:01:47 PM): I am not, I am making known that I am aware of them for that would be what I would base my vote off of should I decide to vote for you tonight.
spies8chance (3:02:18 PM): it's good to know that you consider them mistakes, yet consider them voting material anyway.
Spies8Awohali (3:02:40 PM): If you read my posts, you would understand why that is.
spies8mary (3:03:25 PM): Claude, are you still typing?
Spies8Awohali (3:03:27 PM): In the event that a solid suspect does not emerge, I will focus my vote upon the most harmful player around.
spies8chance (3:03:54 PM): oh, so you consider me 'harmful'?
Spies8Awohali (3:04:10 PM): I consider false information to be harmful.
spies8claude (3:04:38 PM): need a minute
spies8chance (3:04:48 PM): and i think you're blowing things a teensy bit out of proportion.
spies8mary (3:05:15 PM): Chance, I would like to hear more specifically why you suspect Claude
spies8mary (3:05:19 PM): For the way he reacted
Spies8Awohali (3:05:23 PM): That is your right to a fair opinion, but I respectfully disagree.
spies8mary (3:05:25 PM): to your incorrect information
spies8chance (3:05:49 PM): i don't know how more specific i can be. i think i've already gone into great detail.
spies8claude (3:06:24 PM): Chance messaged me privately, and asked if I had any new reasons to be suspicious of Cory.
spies8claude (3:06:49 PM): I told him that I'd learned that Tina went to Cory in private, after alignment was announced, and talked to him about Awohlia
spies8chance (3:07:09 PM): that's not when you told me that, claude.
spies8chance (3:07:11 PM): i don't think.
spies8claude (3:07:12 PM): I found this to be suspect for a few reasons. For one, Awohlia really didn't say anything bad, and it looked like she was trying to make something out of nothing.
spies8claude (3:07:14 PM): Yes, it is.
spies8chance (3:07:39 PM): no, it's not.
spies8chance (3:07:39 PM): spies8chance (2:50:34 PM):do you have any new reasons? spies8claude (2:50:59 PM):Yesterday, someone asked him if he thought I was suspicious at all. He was very quick to say no. spies8chance (3:10:32 PM):anything else? spies8chance (3:10:36 PM):and what do you mean by 'very quick'? spies8claude (3:11:10 PM):I mean like, it didn't seem like he really had to think much about it. I dunno.
spies8claude (3:07:43 PM): Secondly, I found it odd that she would present this privately, especially to Cory. I thought that maybe they were both spies.
spies8chance (3:07:45 PM): that's the only 'new' reason you gave.
spies8claude (3:08:06 PM): It's all in that conversation, Chance.
Spies8Awohali (3:08:37 PM): What date did this conversation take place?
spies8chance (3:08:40 PM): no, it's not.
spies8chance (3:08:45 PM): i've been rereading it.
spies8chance (3:08:48 PM): tina isn't mentioned.
spies8chance (3:08:49 PM): neither is hal.
spies8chance (3:09:32 PM): claude, i can pm you this conversation - it's between us, so that's legal.
spies8claude (3:09:35 PM): Cory had explained that he offered, to Tina, to bring this up to Hal.
spies8chance (3:09:36 PM): this is the only conversation i have with you.
spies8claude (3:09:38 PM): fine, go ahead.
spies8claude (3:09:54 PM): maybe we discussed it at the start of the group chat, I'll look for it.
spies8claude (3:10:14 PM): Eventually, Chance said that Tina and Cory were talking *after* teams had been decided.
spies8chance (3:10:20 PM): sent.
spies8chance (3:10:55 PM): i honestly thought they were. sam didn't post in the burg about there being an option for no-exile until after teams were decided.
spies8mary (3:11:27 PM): So why is it suspicious for Claude to jump on that information?
spies8mary (3:11:38 PM): If he already suspected Tina for other things?
spies8chance (3:11:45 PM): because until that point i hadn't heard claude evidence any suspicion of tina.
spies8mary (3:11:51 PM): Oh.
Spies8Awohali (3:12:09 PM): And again, I ask, could the date of this conversation be provided?
spies8chance (3:12:10 PM): and the way he said it - 'i think tina and cory are both spies.' - seemed almost like an afterthought.
spies8claude (3:12:26 PM): And yes, obviously, I thought that this was suspicious.
spies8claude (3:12:38 PM): How can that be an 'afterthought'
spies8chance (3:12:45 PM): sunday, october 17, 2010, from 2:39 PM to 3:17 pm. my time.
spies8chance (3:12:56 PM): maybe afterthought isn't the correct word.
Spies8Awohali (3:13:03 PM): So this is a conversation from the future?
spies8chance (3:13:04 PM): it was very casual.
spies8chance (3:13:09 PM): almost like 'oh yeah, by the way'.
spies8chance (3:13:24 PM): apparently. i don't know why the date is so messed up.
spies8claude (3:13:33 PM): It was not meant to be casual
spies8chance (3:13:36 PM): that's just what my archive says.
Spies8Awohali (3:13:58 PM): An accurate date would be important in ascertaining the relevance of this situation... could you eprhaps see what date your archive says conversations from today are?
spies8claude (3:13:59 PM): And I must have talked to you about Tina/Cory privately, because your whole point #2 is that I got on Tina's case for mentioning her suspicisons privately, while I mentioned them privately to you
spies8chance (3:14:10 PM): wrong.
spies8chance (3:14:15 PM): you mentioned them privately to brod.
spies8chance (3:14:43 PM): sure, hal. let me message you real quick to put one from you in there.
Spies8Awohali (3:15:02 PM): Thank you, this is greatly appreciated.
spies8chance (3:15:09 PM): it says monday, october 18.
spies8chance (3:15:11 PM): so it was yesterday.
Spies8Awohali (3:16:21 PM): OK. So as of yesterday afternoon, before this conversation, you had not previously heard Claude evidence any suspicion of Tina, correct?
spies8chance (3:16:25 PM): correct.
Spies8Awohali (3:16:54 PM): Thank you. Now the burden of poof is on Claude to supply evidence that he did in fact mention suspicions of Tina before this happened.
spies8claude (3:17:08 PM): Broderick and I talked about it.
Spies8Awohali (3:17:09 PM): *Burden of proof. We are not magicians like Lawrence here.
spies8claude (3:17:14 PM): Not much, because honestly, it wasn't a big deal.
spies8chance (3:17:14 PM): spies8claude (3:24:26 PM):I think Tina and Cory are both spies, yes. spies8chance (3:24:44 PM):but you just said it happened before. not after. spies8chance (3:24:55 PM):and since when do you think tina's a spy? this is the first i've heard of that.
spies8chance (3:17:28 PM): from the group chat yesterday.
spies8mary (3:17:41 PM): Did he answer you?
Spies8Awohali (3:17:43 PM): And how did Claude respond to that?
spies8chance (3:18:08 PM): spies8claude (3:26:45 PM):I already thought it was suspicious that Tina chose to chat privately with Cory, of all people.
spies8mary (3:18:29 PM): Really?
spies8chance (3:18:30 PM): i think brod actually did confirm that claude talked to him about it.
spies8chance (3:18:37 PM): but i don't remember for sure.
spies8mary (3:18:47 PM): Ok, so when did Broderick confirm that to you?
spies8chance (3:18:57 PM): i don't remember. sometime yesterday.
spies8chance (3:19:02 PM): i'll look for it.
Spies8Awohali (3:19:22 PM): This is seeming to only become more convoluted rather than more clear/
spies8mary (3:20:32 PM): At 7PM yesterday you were still suspicious of him for this.
spies8mary (3:20:42 PM): So Broderick must have cleared it up after that.
spies8chance (3:20:44 PM): maybe brod didn't confirm it.
spies8chance (3:20:56 PM): i just ctrl-f'ed his name through my archive of the spies8democrats chat.
spies8chance (3:20:59 PM): i didn't see anything.
Spies8Awohali (3:21:19 PM): So you do suspect Claude for this still, right?
spies8chance (3:21:57 PM): yes, i do.
spies8chance (3:22:09 PM): even if he did talk about it privately to brod, he didn't bring it up publically.
spies8chance (3:22:16 PM): which is the same thing claude says he's suspicious of tina for.
Spies8Awohali (3:22:25 PM): A valid point.
spies8mary (3:23:00 PM): I'm not entirely in agreement about that.
spies8mary (3:23:09 PM): Claude and Tina aren't on the same team.
spies8claude (3:23:52 PM): I'll explain that.
spies8chance (3:23:53 PM): what difference does that make?
spies8claude (3:23:55 PM): In a minute.
Spies8Awohali (3:24:06 PM): I am not on Tina's team, but I do suspect her also, for twisting my quote the way that she did.
spies8mary (3:24:20 PM): I think it's less relevant to bring up your suspicions of people on the opposite team right now.
spies8chance (3:24:41 PM): rather than bring her suspicion of hal public, tina went to cory. rather than bring his suspicion of tina public, claude went to brod.
spies8claude (3:24:43 PM): That is part of why I didn't bring it up at first. It couldn't accomplish anything.
spies8chance (3:24:46 PM): it's the same situation.
spies8claude (3:24:58 PM): Plus, it was not a great suspicion, initially.
spies8mary (3:24:59 PM): But if Tina went to Cory, that was before the teams were made.
spies8mary (3:25:05 PM): Unless they are spies together.
spies8claude (3:25:20 PM): When I 'found out' that Tina went to Cory AFTER teams were made, of course I thought it was a big deal.
spies8chance (3:25:37 PM): claude, i'm not disputing that.
spies8mary (3:25:41 PM): That makes sense.
Spies8Awohali (3:28:40 PM): Perhaps Cory's presence may shed extra light on the matter.
spies8cory (3:29:02 PM): Yo.
spies8chance (3:29:12 PM): question - shouldn't lil have been back by now?
Spies8Awohali (3:29:13 PM): Osiyo, Cory.
spies8chance (3:29:14 PM): 'sup cory.
spies8cory (3:29:44 PM): Just reading up.
spies8cory (3:29:47 PM): Looks like I haven't missed much.
spies8chance (3:30:30 PM): mostly me being poked for why i suspect claude.
spies8cory (3:30:53 PM): Over his pseudo defense?
spies8chance (3:31:11 PM): partially that, partially the double-standard issue.
spies8cory (3:31:19 PM): I find Camilla's comment on me to be very bizarre.
spies8cory (3:31:23 PM): So bandwagony
spies8chance (3:31:25 PM): mary finds it odd that i suspect claude for jumping on my incorrect information.
spies8cory (3:31:30 PM): And fence sitting at the same time. Lol.
spies8chance (3:31:36 PM): (even though i didn't think it was incorrect at the time)
spies8chance (3:32:17 PM): claude, did you get that conversation i sent you?
spies8cory (3:32:25 PM): If he thought it was correct information, what's amiss?
spies8cory (3:32:44 PM): Or are you saying he attacked your incorrect information?
spies8chance (3:33:39 PM): no, i'm saying that he used it against tina and you very quickly. i can't fault him for using it, as i was also using it at the time. it was the method in which he did it that i'm suspicious of.
spies8chance (3:34:12 PM): it seemed very casual, like a 'by the way' comment.
spies8chance (3:34:34 PM): it's like, i bring up a point that i think is a slam-dunk against you and cory, and suddenly claude's like 'oh yeah, i think tina and cory are both spies'.
Spies8Awohali (3:35:15 PM): Well, if your point had been true, it really would have been important.
spies8mary (3:35:22 PM): I need to visit my father's grave.
spies8mary (3:35:30 PM): I'll be back later to place my vote.
spies8chance (3:35:35 PM): i called my dad and left a message on his answering machine.
spies8chance (3:35:39 PM): later, mary.
Spies8Awohali (3:35:41 PM): Farewell, Mary, I hope that you will have a pleasant time.
spies8mary (3:35:50 PM): We talk sometimes.
spies8mary (3:35:55 PM): He should be in a good mood today.
spies8cory (3:35:56 PM): I'm not sure. Claude was pretty much certain I was a Spy by that point.
spies8chance (3:36:02 PM): you, yes. tina?
Spies8Awohali (3:36:09 PM): I hope that he will be.
spies8cory (3:36:09 PM): Maybe not certain about her
spies8cory (3:36:23 PM): Lol "we talk sometimes"
spies8chance (3:36:29 PM): he's already said he didn't think his suspicion against tina was "a big deal". that's the reason he gave for not bringing it up publically.
spies8claude (3:36:42 PM): What was I supposed to do, Chance? Type it all in capitals with alot of explanation points
spies8chance (3:37:02 PM): no, claude, but going from 'it's not a big deal' to 'tina's a spy' seems like rather a big switch.
spies8claude (3:37:04 PM): You're attacking me for what is apparently our interpretation of a lack of emphasis. This is pretty ridiculous.
spies8claude (3:37:09 PM): Really?
spies8claude (3:37:24 PM): You had just told me that Tina and Cory talked AFTER teams were decided, when they were not on the same team.
spies8claude (3:37:45 PM): Obviously I was going to go from just being suspicious of Tina to thinking they were both spies.
spies8chance (3:38:08 PM): the way you said it seemed like you'd thought tina and cory were spies together the entire time.
spies8chance (3:38:42 PM): also... hm. i'm not sure how to make this point.
spies8claude (3:39:05 PM): You're really not being consistent here
spies8claude (3:39:17 PM): In one breath, you're saying that I didn't make a big enough deal out of it.
spies8chance (3:39:23 PM): no.
spies8chance (3:39:32 PM): now you're twisting my words like you twisted cam's.
spies8claude (3:39:51 PM): No
spies8claude (3:39:54 PM): I'm trying to understand.
spies8chance (3:40:12 PM): i said that you didn't think your suspicion of tina was a big deal, which is why you only mentioned it to brod instead of bringing it up publically.
spies8claude (3:40:19 PM): Okay.
spies8chance (3:40:24 PM): this was before the timing debacle.
spies8claude (3:40:27 PM): Right.
spies8claude (3:41:01 PM): I barely even mentioned it to Broderick. He said that he thought it was suspicious that Tina was trying to make a big case out of Awohlia's 'No Exile' bit.
spies8chance (3:41:11 PM): right.
spies8claude (3:41:14 PM): I said that I thought it was also suspicious that she only brought it up to Cory, and not publicly.
spies8chance (3:41:32 PM): so, again, to go from 'not a big deal' to 'tina's a spy'...
spies8claude (3:41:37 PM): Right
spies8claude (3:41:51 PM): I went to 'Tina is a Spy' when YOU said that she was talking to Cory after teams were announced.
spies8chance (3:42:04 PM): right.
spies8chance (3:42:08 PM): am i disputing that? no.
spies8claude (3:42:08 PM): Right.
Spies8Awohali (3:42:15 PM): Left.
spies8claude (3:42:15 PM): So I really don't see what the problem is?
spies8chance (3:42:45 PM): i'm having problems articulating what the problem is.
spies8chance (3:42:58 PM): there are several ways i want to say it but i keep pressing the backspace button because it's not right.
spies8chance (3:43:06 PM): grr.
spies8chance (3:43:54 PM): you immediately accepted what i said at face value without even bothering to talk to cory about it.
spies8chance (3:43:57 PM): that's kind of what i mean.
spies8chance (3:44:11 PM): ugh, did that come out wrong?
spies8claude (3:44:33 PM): I didn't think that you would make up something that could easily be fact-checked.
spies8claude (3:44:44 PM): And, I had specifically said that Tina and Cory talked before teams.
spies8claude (3:44:47 PM): And you said I was wrong.
Spies8Awohali (3:45:03 PM): Chance, did you not do the same thing by not checking the timing what you believed?
spies8claude (3:45:16 PM): So I assumed I had the timing bad, considering that I hadn't been on that night, etc.
spies8chance (3:45:25 PM): hal, are you in here specifically to pick at me? just asking.
spies8claude (3:45:31 PM): oooh
spies8claude (3:45:39 PM): Hal is asking you a legitimate question.
Spies8Awohali (3:45:59 PM): No, I am here to discover the situation, if you are unable to handle that, then perhaps you should not be playing this game. It sounds to me like you do not wish to be questioned.
spies8chance (3:46:04 PM): fine, then i'll answer it legitimately.
Spies8Awohali (3:46:12 PM): Thank you.
spies8chance (3:46:17 PM): really, hal? i've been answering every question thrown at me so far.
spies8chance (3:46:25 PM): it just seems to me like i'm the only one in here you want to ask anything of.
Spies8Awohali (3:46:38 PM): But this is not the first time you hqave complained about me reacting to your situation.
spies8chance (3:46:44 PM): so saying 'you don't wish to be questioned' is really kind of out of the ballparck.
spies8chance (3:46:49 PM): *ballpark.
spies8claude (3:46:53 PM): He asked me plenty of questions before you got here.
Spies8Awohali (3:47:18 PM): What Claude says is true. I also asked him some last night.
spies8claude (3:47:25 PM): Also, you're still not answering his question; you seem to be trying to change the subject.
spies8chance (3:47:44 PM): you do realize there are multiple comments directed at me right now.
spies8chance (3:47:47 PM): i'm getting to it.
spies8chance (3:47:58 PM): and claude, there are a couple of things you haven't answered, just fyi. pot calling kettle, i think.
spies8chance (3:48:05 PM): to answer hal, before i get interrupted again.
spies8claude (3:48:21 PM): Nice potshot there. What have I not answered?
spies8claude (3:48:31 PM): I'm pretty clearly trying to answer everything addressed to me.
spies8chance (3:48:39 PM): hal.
spies8chance (3:48:53 PM): i checked the timing of what i thought was relevant.
spies8chance (3:48:56 PM): so no, it's not the same thing.
Spies8Awohali (3:49:09 PM): And what exactly did you think was relevant?
spies8chance (3:49:16 PM): sam's post explaining the no-exile vote.
spies8chance (3:49:46 PM): at the time, i didn't think your comment about the no-exile vote had anything to do with the situation except that it was the subject of discusison between cory and tina.
spies8claude (3:50:25 PM): When did you check it? It certainly wasn't before you went out of your way to tell me that I was wrong in my impression that Tina and Cory talked before teams.
spies8chance (3:50:27 PM): claude.
spies8chance (3:50:57 PM): i'm going to answer your other question first, so you don't accuse me of trying to avoid questions when you ask me multiple ones at once. again.
spies8chance (3:51:34 PM): spies8claude 2:09 pm
fine, go ahead.
maybe we discussed it at the start of the group chat, I'll look for it.
spies8chance (3:51:51 PM): spies8claude 2:14 pm
And I must have talked to you about Tina/Cory privately, because your whole point #2 is that I got on Tina's case for mentioning her suspicisons privately, while I mentioned them privately to you
spies8chance (3:51:56 PM): this entire situation is one you have not addressed.
spies8chance (3:52:11 PM): spies8mary 2:23 pm
I'm not entirely in agreement about that.
Claude and Tina aren't on the same team.
spies8claude 2:24 pm
I'll explain that.
spies8chance (3:52:13 PM): you haven't.
spies8chance (3:52:34 PM): sorry, didn't realize you'd left the room.
spies8chance (3:52:36 PM): i'll repost.
spies8chance (3:52:49 PM): spies8claude 2:14 pm
And I must have talked to you about Tina/Cory privately, because your whole point #2 is that I got on Tina's case for mentioning her suspicisons privately, while I mentioned them privately to you
this entire situation is one you have not addressed.
spies8mary 2:23 pm
I'm not entirely in agreement about that.
Claude and Tina aren't on the same team.
spies8claude 2:24 pm
I'll explain that.
you haven't.
spies8claude (3:53:29 PM): I've explained that multiple times.
spies8claude (3:53:35 PM): But once again.
spies8chance (3:53:50 PM): have i missed it, then?
spies8claude (3:53:54 PM): Apparently.
spies8chance (3:53:57 PM): because i don't recall you ever explaining it.
spies8claude (3:54:28 PM): I'm curious how this is 'you answering my questions', by the way. But it's fine, I'll explain it again.
spies8chance (3:54:40 PM): did you ever find where you said this -
spies8chance (3:54:42 PM): spies8claude 2:06 pm
Chance messaged me privately, and asked if I had any new reasons to be suspicious of Cory.
I told him that I'd learned that Tina went to Cory in private, after alignment was announced, and talked to him about Awohlia
spies8chance (3:54:48 PM): because it wasn't in our conversation.
spies8chance (3:55:14 PM): claude, this does happen to be an answer to one of your questions.
spies8chance (3:55:16 PM): specifically -
spies8claude (3:55:24 PM): I honestly thought that I said that to you in private conversation. I must have said something about it to you, because you've been making a big deal out of me bringing up Tina privately to you.
spies8chance (3:55:27 PM): spies8claude 2:48 pm
Nice potshot there. What have I not answered?
spies8chance (3:55:55 PM): claude - no. i haven't. i've been making a big deal about you bringing up tina privately to brod.
spies8chance (3:56:02 PM): we've been over this.
spies8claude (3:56:27 PM): Hold on, let me look for something from yesterday.
spies8chance (3:56:31 PM): okay.
spies8claude (3:57:06 PM): Do you have the chat log from before you lagged out yesterday?
spies8chance (3:57:58 PM): which one?
spies8chance (3:58:09 PM): if i don't, it's probably posted in the thread, isn't it?
spies8claude (3:58:13 PM): Before 5:45 PM
spies8claude (3:58:17 PM): I can't find it so far.
spies8claude (3:58:32 PM): disregard
spies8claude (3:58:39 PM): Broderick posted it after yours, looks like
spies8chance (3:58:44 PM): was this before camilla?
spies8chance (3:58:45 PM): okay.
spies8claude (3:58:50 PM): no nevermind
spies8claude (3:58:55 PM): His is after Camilla.
spies8chance (3:59:38 PM): what exactly are you looking for?
spies8claude (4:00:57 PM): Yesterday's group chat from before Camilla.
spies8claude (4:01:03 PM): That's when we were talking about Cory/Tina etc.
spies8chance (4:01:44 PM): yes, i have it. isn't it posted?
spies8claude (4:01:57 PM): I can't find it if it is.
spies8chance (4:02:06 PM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dems&action=display&thread=329
spies8chance (4:02:10 PM): isn't this it?
spies8chance (4:02:21 PM): oh, wait.
spies8chance (4:02:25 PM): that was after i lagged out.
spies8chance (4:02:43 PM): yes, i have it. it's in my archive. let me post it real fast.
spies8claude (4:03:03 PM): I have to go AFK a few minutes while you do that, I'll address it when I get back.
spies8chance (4:04:18 PM): posted.
spies8claude (4:05:43 PM): back for a bit
spies8chance (4:06:40 PM): i really need a nap, guys, i'm exhausted.
spies8chance (4:07:01 PM): could you answer this real fast, claude?
spies8chance (4:08:55 PM): alright, i guess not.
spies8chance (4:09:07 PM): well, i'll be back before exile, so hopefully i can hear it then.
spies8chance (4:09:09 PM): later guys.
spies8cory (4:09:12 PM): Later.
spies8cory (4:09:21 PM): Not really seeing Chance's point. Lol.
spies8claude (4:09:26 PM): He doesn't have one.
Spies8Awohali (4:09:31 PM): Nor am I...
spies8claude (4:09:43 PM): He just used this as a distraction to avoid answering Awohali's point, and my follow up.
spies8claude (4:09:51 PM): I wanted to humor him so that I could make him address those.
spies8cory (4:09:51 PM): Yes
spies8cory (4:09:58 PM): I know. I made comment of it in my confessional
spies8cory (4:10:03 PM): He looks slimy there
spies8claude (4:10:05 PM): But now he's gone, shrug.
Spies8Awohali (4:10:23 PM): I doubt that he will cease avoiding these issues when he logs back on later
spies8claude (4:10:24 PM): Interesting, Cory.
spies8cory (4:10:33 PM): What is interesting?
spies8claude (4:10:44 PM): I don't think that a Spy would have the foresight to say 'I made comment of it in my confessional'.
spies8claude (4:10:49 PM): It's a very natural though.
spies8claude (4:10:51 PM): thought.
spies8claude (4:10:58 PM): I retract my previous suspicions of you.
spies8cory (4:11:01 PM): I made more comments than that
spies8cory (4:11:03 PM): I was watching the entire time
Spies8Awohali (4:11:09 PM): I'm making a comment of this in my confessional.
spies8cory (4:11:12 PM): You two are almost definitely not spies together
Spies8Awohali (4:11:19 PM): Just kidding, of course.
spies8claude (4:11:56 PM): lol Awo
spies8claude (4:12:17 PM): It doesn't really matter that you made comments, it matters that you mentioned it so casually.
spies8claude (4:12:31 PM): Like..it's possible for a Spy to do that, but it is pretty unlikely.
spies8claude (4:12:43 PM): It's just a very citizen-mindset statement.
spies8cory (4:12:56 PM): That's because I'm a Citizen!
Spies8Awohali (4:13:10 PM): We can only hope that this is still this case here
spies8cory (4:13:17 PM): Lol.
spies8claude (4:26:23 PM): Awwww
spies8claude (4:26:27 PM): He didn't even say goodbye
Spies8Awohali (4:26:39 PM): My heart is crushed.
Spies8Awohali (4:43:37 PM): I think I am going to rest for a little while, and stretch out. I will see you later tonight, Claude.
