Food For Thought
Jun 24, 2010 21:04:17 GMT -6
Post by Isaac on Jun 24, 2010 21:04:17 GMT -6
Well, just incase I get imprisoned in the night I figured I’d post this and put it out there so that others at least have something to go off of. Jasmine and I have obviously butted heads throughout the game and for awhile I attributed it to her characters personality but more and more I just can’t do that. Obviously we all won’t see eye to eye with one another in this game and that is what makes for lively discussions and arguments. However, there is enough out there now that I fully believe Jasmine to be a person who should be watched by everyone a bit more closely. I’ve mentioned things to some of you before about things that strike me as very odd with her behavior and some of her posts and just want to put the references out there so you all can make a more informed opinion of her.
First took notice of Jasmine as maybe more then a citizen when this argument happened:
Not exactly the response you should be getting from a helpful citizen wanting to find some scum. Yes she’s playing her character, I get that….but still didn’t put anything out on the floor for the conversation. So thought it was odd.
Next, there is this gem:
Now she could argue that it was a joke or say something that made us think she was trying to be funny, but she never did. The fact that later in the day it becomes more apparent that she truly doesn’t like Chance and really would vote if she could confirms she was serious when she said that. Now really, what kind of citizen says that they’d vote for you because a post is “ridiculous”, and “so long”. That’s no reason to vote someone.
Then we have yet another shining example of Jasmine’s willingness to put forth a topic for discussion:
I think that speaks for itself, just like the first example.
Then there was this whole mess:
Just a couple things I will point out as this was somewhat addressed in the thread Jasmine posted already. But first off I believe it is always better to read arguments when they are fresh and relevant as it will stick in your mind more. Second it almost sounds like Jasmine is saying that because the majority won’t vote for Claude, why waste her vote. Now it doesn’t say that, but it sounds like it and sure enough later on Jasmine confirmed that’s exactly how she really feels. I completely disagree that everyone has to go with the majority, that’s how bandwagons happen.
Once again Jasmine has decided that the collective “we” aren’t going to lynch claude and so it’s pointless for her to even consider the option. Again, why is what “we” as a group do have so much bearing on your opinion, thought, and arguments. Instead of being one of the flock, throw something else out there. It’s like you’re on the side of the road ready and waiting for the next bandwagon to role by so you can hitch a ride. Very odd. Also the fact you make it sound like just because he has a role, means he must be citizen. I get that’s how you really feel and have questioned it again. But still, I think you really feel this way which is no way for a citizen to act.
To tell someone they are “throwing their vote away” is complete and udder BS:
If any argument or reasoning has validity and merit then it is never a waste. This just once again makes you sound like you’re ready to hop on board a bandwagon and is a terrible way to play the game of mafia. I agree that people should try to come to a consensus. But you do not KNOW he won’t get lynched as votes are private until Sam reveals them. Also the fact that you are so sure a claude won’t get lynched once again doesn’t exclude you from having an opinion if you really are a citizen.
And here is my personal favorite:
Please justify this some how in a way that makes sense. Up above in the previous post you were telling me I was throwing my vote away because I was the only one supposedly voting Claude. But then in this quote you say, “This just about puts the cherry on the top for an isaac lynch, for me.”
As I recall, In the vote thread I had no solid votes yet. So how exactly would voting for me not be the same exact thing you just reprimanded me for. Aren’t you afraid of throwing away your vote?
So, just wanted to put it out there as food for thought. Use it as you will, but wanted people to be aware. Thanks All!
First took notice of Jasmine as maybe more then a citizen when this argument happened:
spies8jasmine (3:08:55 PM):Jut think we should let it go away. spies8jasmine (3:08:57 PM):and never speak of it again spies8jasmine (3:09:05 PM):its so boring, and retarded. and i want to stab myself with a pen spies8cory (3:09:11 PM):You cut? spies8jasmine (3:09:19 PM):i am in transition cory, its stressful spies8cory (3:09:22 PM):Lol. spies8cinnamyn (3:09:24 PM):chance u sed dis' isn't suspishis bcuz u were leanin' towards claude n' cory n e way, but wen i jus' asked u u sed u wuz thinkin' magalie n' broderick. spies8chance (3:09:24 PM):then find us another topic, jas. spies8chance (3:09:36 PM):because honestly i haven't seen you do much but whine. spies8jasmine (3:09:48 PM):Fuck you Chance.
Not exactly the response you should be getting from a helpful citizen wanting to find some scum. Yes she’s playing her character, I get that….but still didn’t put anything out on the floor for the conversation. So thought it was odd.
Next, there is this gem:
spies8isaac (8:42:10 PM):http://spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dems&action=display&thread=476
spies8lawrence (8:42:53 PM):holy long post batmaan.
spies8chance (8:43:25 PM):yeah it took for freaking ever to dredge up all the relevant chats. spies8jasmine (8:44:00 PM):honestly chance.
spies8jasmine (8:44:07 PM):im back btw. thats so ridculous
spies8jasmine (8:44:08 PM):that post
spies8jasmine (8:44:14 PM):like its so long
spies8chance (8:44:40 PM):i suppose you're going to vote for me now, because it bores you? spies8jasmine (8:44:51 PM):i cant vote for you
spies8jasmine (8:44:59 PM):or ya, i totally would.
spies8lawrence (8:42:53 PM):holy long post batmaan.
spies8chance (8:43:25 PM):yeah it took for freaking ever to dredge up all the relevant chats. spies8jasmine (8:44:00 PM):honestly chance.
spies8jasmine (8:44:07 PM):im back btw. thats so ridculous
spies8jasmine (8:44:08 PM):that post
spies8jasmine (8:44:14 PM):like its so long
spies8chance (8:44:40 PM):i suppose you're going to vote for me now, because it bores you? spies8jasmine (8:44:51 PM):i cant vote for you
spies8jasmine (8:44:59 PM):or ya, i totally would.
Now she could argue that it was a joke or say something that made us think she was trying to be funny, but she never did. The fact that later in the day it becomes more apparent that she truly doesn’t like Chance and really would vote if she could confirms she was serious when she said that. Now really, what kind of citizen says that they’d vote for you because a post is “ridiculous”, and “so long”. That’s no reason to vote someone.
Then we have yet another shining example of Jasmine’s willingness to put forth a topic for discussion:
spies8jasmine (8:46:33 PM):either way u see it, its stupid to even waste our breath talking about it. move on to someone else. spies8chance (8:47:06 PM):you say that a lot, jas, and yet you never seem to have a topic we should move on to.
spies8jasmine (8:47:28 PM):Anything but Claude lynch spies8jasmine (8:47:29 PM):thnx
spies8chance (8:47:41 PM):i think we can consider that exhibit a.
spies8isaac (8:47:51 PM):I don't see how have a valid discussion is a waste of time when it is game related
spies8jasmine (8:48:06 PM):ill give u exhibt b too. so annoying chance.
spies8jasmine (8:47:28 PM):Anything but Claude lynch spies8jasmine (8:47:29 PM):thnx
spies8chance (8:47:41 PM):i think we can consider that exhibit a.
spies8isaac (8:47:51 PM):I don't see how have a valid discussion is a waste of time when it is game related
spies8jasmine (8:48:06 PM):ill give u exhibt b too. so annoying chance.
I think that speaks for itself, just like the first example.
Then there was this whole mess:
spies8jasmine (8:51:55 PM):im not even going to read it, chance shouts BS imo. and its pointless at this point anyways. imo.
spies8jasmine (8:52:02 PM):Are you serious? wtf.
spies8chance (8:52:37 PM):also, i'll let others take that last comment of jas's. do me proud, please. spies8jasmine (8:52:46 PM):?
spies8jasmine (8:52:53 PM):Are they your hoes?
spies8jasmine (8:52:54 PM):;-o
Spies8Awohali (8:53:31 PM):I do believe, Jasmine, that all cases psoted are at least worth reading and considering.
spies8jasmine (8:53:54 PM):I just don't have the energy to read it, knowing it's Chance's. and knowing its about Calude
spies8jasmine (8:53:56 PM):Claude(
spies8jasmine (8:54:01 PM):who im not voting to lynch. spies8jasmine (8:54:03 PM):this round
Spies8Awohali (8:54:07 PM):If for nothing else, to give you a better understanding of Chance's thoughts regarding Claude,e specially if you plan to vote for him when you are able to. spies8jasmine (8:54:21 PM):Then I'll read it when I plan to do that. spies8isaac (8:54:34 PM):Jasmine, we're all here for the same reason. Blowing off a legit argument because you think it's bs without even really reading it to understand it is a complete waste of all our times. Seriously thats just rude. It's like pissing all over us without the curtiousy of calling it rain
spies8jasmine (8:55:15 PM):I don't think so.
spies8jasmine (8:55:18 PM):because we cant vote fo rchance Spies8Awohali (8:55:20 PM):Does calling piss rain really make it OK? spies8jasmine (8:55:33 PM):and its always a known fact that majority dont want to bother voting for calude this round
spies8jasmine (8:55:35 PM):because of the role claim spies8cinnamyn (8:55:49 PM):no, awohali, it duznt
spies8jasmine (8:55:54 PM):so that entire argument, for me, doesnt make sense right now spies8jasmine (8:55:59 PM):im nto reading a 16 page post spies8jasmine (8:56:01 PM):that i dont need to read right now
spies8jasmine (8:52:02 PM):Are you serious? wtf.
spies8chance (8:52:37 PM):also, i'll let others take that last comment of jas's. do me proud, please. spies8jasmine (8:52:46 PM):?
spies8jasmine (8:52:53 PM):Are they your hoes?
spies8jasmine (8:52:54 PM):;-o
Spies8Awohali (8:53:31 PM):I do believe, Jasmine, that all cases psoted are at least worth reading and considering.
spies8jasmine (8:53:54 PM):I just don't have the energy to read it, knowing it's Chance's. and knowing its about Calude
spies8jasmine (8:53:56 PM):Claude(
spies8jasmine (8:54:01 PM):who im not voting to lynch. spies8jasmine (8:54:03 PM):this round
Spies8Awohali (8:54:07 PM):If for nothing else, to give you a better understanding of Chance's thoughts regarding Claude,e specially if you plan to vote for him when you are able to. spies8jasmine (8:54:21 PM):Then I'll read it when I plan to do that. spies8isaac (8:54:34 PM):Jasmine, we're all here for the same reason. Blowing off a legit argument because you think it's bs without even really reading it to understand it is a complete waste of all our times. Seriously thats just rude. It's like pissing all over us without the curtiousy of calling it rain
spies8jasmine (8:55:15 PM):I don't think so.
spies8jasmine (8:55:18 PM):because we cant vote fo rchance Spies8Awohali (8:55:20 PM):Does calling piss rain really make it OK? spies8jasmine (8:55:33 PM):and its always a known fact that majority dont want to bother voting for calude this round
spies8jasmine (8:55:35 PM):because of the role claim spies8cinnamyn (8:55:49 PM):no, awohali, it duznt
spies8jasmine (8:55:54 PM):so that entire argument, for me, doesnt make sense right now spies8jasmine (8:55:59 PM):im nto reading a 16 page post spies8jasmine (8:56:01 PM):that i dont need to read right now
Just a couple things I will point out as this was somewhat addressed in the thread Jasmine posted already. But first off I believe it is always better to read arguments when they are fresh and relevant as it will stick in your mind more. Second it almost sounds like Jasmine is saying that because the majority won’t vote for Claude, why waste her vote. Now it doesn’t say that, but it sounds like it and sure enough later on Jasmine confirmed that’s exactly how she really feels. I completely disagree that everyone has to go with the majority, that’s how bandwagons happen.
spies8jasmine (3:43:29 PM):It wasn't just because I didn't like him. spies8jasmine (3:43:49 PM):I think he is spy, and we cannot lynch him or the person he is accusing in that long ass(he said 16 pgs in word) thread. spies8jasmine (3:43:55 PM):Claude has a role
spies8jasmine (3:43:58 PM):it's dumb to lynch him at this point. spies8jasmine (3:44:08 PM):I'm not wasting my time on it, at this point. spies8jasmine (3:44:10 PM):That is all.
spies8jasmine (3:44:14 PM):I'll read it in the future if I need to. spies8jasmine (3:44:19 PM):I didn't care to last night, or to tonight. spies8jasmine (3:44:28 PM):I'm focusing on whomever we can lynch. spies8jasmine (3:44:56 PM):I have other things to do, and don't have time to waste reading something that is pointless at this point. spies8cory (3:44:58 PM):Regardlss of alignment?
spies8isaac (3:45:07 PM):I understand that, but penly admitting to not even bothering reading the argument because it's current;y not in the best interest of the game is a waste. Are you telling me you'll care more about it three weeks from now when we can't even remember what why it was important? spies8jasmine (3:45:09 PM):Of who's alignment?/ spies8cory (3:45:17 PM):Lynching whomever we can lynch. spies8cory (3:45:21 PM):What exactly does that mean?
spies8jasmine (3:45:34 PM):I'll worry about everyone BUT Claude and Chance. spies8jasmine (3:45:40 PM):Because we aren't lynching them this time.
spies8jasmine (3:43:58 PM):it's dumb to lynch him at this point. spies8jasmine (3:44:08 PM):I'm not wasting my time on it, at this point. spies8jasmine (3:44:10 PM):That is all.
spies8jasmine (3:44:14 PM):I'll read it in the future if I need to. spies8jasmine (3:44:19 PM):I didn't care to last night, or to tonight. spies8jasmine (3:44:28 PM):I'm focusing on whomever we can lynch. spies8jasmine (3:44:56 PM):I have other things to do, and don't have time to waste reading something that is pointless at this point. spies8cory (3:44:58 PM):Regardlss of alignment?
spies8isaac (3:45:07 PM):I understand that, but penly admitting to not even bothering reading the argument because it's current;y not in the best interest of the game is a waste. Are you telling me you'll care more about it three weeks from now when we can't even remember what why it was important? spies8jasmine (3:45:09 PM):Of who's alignment?/ spies8cory (3:45:17 PM):Lynching whomever we can lynch. spies8cory (3:45:21 PM):What exactly does that mean?
spies8jasmine (3:45:34 PM):I'll worry about everyone BUT Claude and Chance. spies8jasmine (3:45:40 PM):Because we aren't lynching them this time.
Once again Jasmine has decided that the collective “we” aren’t going to lynch claude and so it’s pointless for her to even consider the option. Again, why is what “we” as a group do have so much bearing on your opinion, thought, and arguments. Instead of being one of the flock, throw something else out there. It’s like you’re on the side of the road ready and waiting for the next bandwagon to role by so you can hitch a ride. Very odd. Also the fact you make it sound like just because he has a role, means he must be citizen. I get that’s how you really feel and have questioned it again. But still, I think you really feel this way which is no way for a citizen to act.
To tell someone they are “throwing their vote away” is complete and udder BS:
pies8jasmine (6:56:51 PM):And isaac, why the claude vote..knowing he won't get lynched--him having a role?
spies8jasmine (6:56:53 PM):
spies8isaac (6:57:01 PM):I assume he meant the Margot bus though spies8jasmine (6:57:11 PM):Kind of like your throwing away your vote. Spies8Awohali (6:57:33 PM):He did not elaborate, but he has mentioned potentially voting for you. If I am not mistaken, anyway. Someone mentioned it earlier. spies8claude (6:57:45 PM):I've come to the conclusion that the Margot wagon is bad.
Spies8Awohali (6:58:00 PM):As have I, which is why I vote Magalie tonight. spies8jasmine (6:58:08 PM):Voting me is better then voting Claude. Claude is the dumbest vote out of everyone.
spies8claude (6:58:09 PM):I will either be voting Magalie or Isaac. spies8isaac (6:58:09 PM):Because I don't know that and neither do you. Just because we state it in that thread doesn't mean it's what people are really voting. Besides He has been and still is suspect 1 for me so far and even with everything that happened today that hasn't changed Spies8Awohali (6:58:14 PM):And unfortunately, I am departing in a few moments, so my vote is locked in.
spies8jasmine (6:58:35 PM):But he isn't going to be lynched. spies8jasmine (6:58:51 PM):Your the only one that has even mentioned it, because Chance can't vote. Nobody else wants to lynch the guy with a role. spies8jasmine (6:58:55 PM):Why are you then goig to throw away your vote. spies8jasmine (6:59:11 PM):Because you vote is now pointless, your just giving the spies more of a chance to get a majority then. spies8jasmine (6:59:41 PM):It doesn't make any sense to me.
spies8jasmine (6:56:53 PM):
spies8isaac (6:57:01 PM):I assume he meant the Margot bus though spies8jasmine (6:57:11 PM):Kind of like your throwing away your vote. Spies8Awohali (6:57:33 PM):He did not elaborate, but he has mentioned potentially voting for you. If I am not mistaken, anyway. Someone mentioned it earlier. spies8claude (6:57:45 PM):I've come to the conclusion that the Margot wagon is bad.
Spies8Awohali (6:58:00 PM):As have I, which is why I vote Magalie tonight. spies8jasmine (6:58:08 PM):Voting me is better then voting Claude. Claude is the dumbest vote out of everyone.
spies8claude (6:58:09 PM):I will either be voting Magalie or Isaac. spies8isaac (6:58:09 PM):Because I don't know that and neither do you. Just because we state it in that thread doesn't mean it's what people are really voting. Besides He has been and still is suspect 1 for me so far and even with everything that happened today that hasn't changed Spies8Awohali (6:58:14 PM):And unfortunately, I am departing in a few moments, so my vote is locked in.
spies8jasmine (6:58:35 PM):But he isn't going to be lynched. spies8jasmine (6:58:51 PM):Your the only one that has even mentioned it, because Chance can't vote. Nobody else wants to lynch the guy with a role. spies8jasmine (6:58:55 PM):Why are you then goig to throw away your vote. spies8jasmine (6:59:11 PM):Because you vote is now pointless, your just giving the spies more of a chance to get a majority then. spies8jasmine (6:59:41 PM):It doesn't make any sense to me.
If any argument or reasoning has validity and merit then it is never a waste. This just once again makes you sound like you’re ready to hop on board a bandwagon and is a terrible way to play the game of mafia. I agree that people should try to come to a consensus. But you do not KNOW he won’t get lynched as votes are private until Sam reveals them. Also the fact that you are so sure a claude won’t get lynched once again doesn’t exclude you from having an opinion if you really are a citizen.
And here is my personal favorite:
spies8jasmine (7:00:30 PM):He is a 50/50 a cit with a role. spies8jasmine (7:00:36 PM):Your basically doing the spies work. Spies8Awohali (7:00:47 PM):Evan though he has a role, yes. Personally I am not voting for him this round, but I find him to be suspicious. I would like a little longer to look at his role before making a decision.
spies8jasmine (7:01:09 PM):This just about puts the cherry on the top for an isaac lynch, for me.
spies8jasmine (7:01:09 PM):This just about puts the cherry on the top for an isaac lynch, for me.
Please justify this some how in a way that makes sense. Up above in the previous post you were telling me I was throwing my vote away because I was the only one supposedly voting Claude. But then in this quote you say, “This just about puts the cherry on the top for an isaac lynch, for me.”
As I recall, In the vote thread I had no solid votes yet. So how exactly would voting for me not be the same exact thing you just reprimanded me for. Aren’t you afraid of throwing away your vote?
So, just wanted to put it out there as food for thought. Use it as you will, but wanted people to be aware. Thanks All!