Vote Tallies E2

[Cory]

Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.
Oscar Wilde

Same drill.

The Philosoraptor has not voted yet.

[Gertrude]

Oh, Wilde. It's so important to be earnest.

[Chance]

hence the importance of being earnest.

i will, obviously, not be voting this exile. however, if i could vote, i would vote for claude.

[Magalie]

Im leaning towards Lilith, Claude, and Margot.
Lilith:After readin the transcripts I felt strange as to why she would "agree" with Claude. Is she like just tryin to say stuff to hear herself talk? Or was she just tryin to agree with Claude so that Claude would take all the blame if Chance turned out not to be a spy so that she could just say she didn't know.
Claude:I smelt somethin fishy the first time I laid eyes on him. Now that he has his new role I question if that is actually a citizen role or could he also be a spy with that role.
Margot:Either that girl has somethin goin on in her life or this strange mother fucker has got to be a spy that is playin under the Radar.

[Lawrence]

9 hours to go and I'm still the first to give my vote?

Voting Margot hesitantly dur to reasons here.

[Margot]

Voted for Gertrude, and probably will not make the live Exile tonight because I will be going to my grandmother's for the night and she does not have internet access. Am online now if you want to talk to me before you all Exile me.

[Jasmine]

No you aint?

[Margot]

Jun 24, 2010 14:13:26 GMT -6 Jasmine said:

No you aint?

I'm just answering some questions on the board, then will be on AIM for a little bit. Sorry girl, be on real soon.

[Isaac]

Jun 24, 2010 14:09:55 GMT -6 Margot said:

Voted for Gertrude, and probably will not make the live Exile tonight because I will be going to my grandmother's for the night and she does not have internet access. Am online now if you want to talk to me before you all Exile me.

Are you completely serious Margot? Really? I mean REALLY? What kind of an argument is "Mm online now if you want to talk(Which you are by the way) before you all exile me".

No argument at all there Margot. Sounds like someone just doesn't care or is too busy to bother and either way that attitude sucks. Certainly isn't helping the case against you.

[Jasmine]

Which you aren't by the way**

[Isaac]

Jun 24, 2010 14:41:33 GMT -6 Jasmine said:

Which you aren't by the way**

Oh she's online, posting in the burg. Just not on AIM I find it odd that she responded to all three questions from Awo's thread but then give's no argument for not exiling her here.....very odd.

[Margot]

Jun 24, 2010 14:40:46 GMT -6 Isaac said:

Jun 24, 2010 14:09:55 GMT -6 Margot said:

Voted for Gertrude, and probably will not make the live Exile tonight because I will be going to my grandmother's for the night and she does not have internet access. Am online now if you want to talk to me before you all Exile me.

Are you completely serious Margot? Really? I mean REALLY? What kind of an argument is "Mm online now if you want to talk(Which you are by the way) before you all exile me".

No argument at all there Margot. Sounds like someone just doesn't care or is too busy to bother and either way that attitude sucks. Certainly isn't helping the case against you.

I DO care, Isaac. I just feel dejected that it's clear from what I've seen on this board and other people's suspicions that I'm the target when I know that I shouldn't be because I am a citizen. I want to be a part of this game and to catch spies, but everyone's attention is to try to get rid of me.

And just for you, Isaac, I will copy and paste my argument for Getrude into this thread.

02. Before Gertrude switched, the vote was Claude - 4, Camilla - 3, Chance - 2, and Me - 2, with her vote originally being me. I stated my case for voting for Camilla in that thread and later on when asked as a combination of activity and the evidence. I was suspicious of Camilla along with Claude given the situation that Claude presented, and given the choice between Claude and Camilla, I'd vote to keep Claude because I never talked with Camilla and while I was irked by his way of investigation, at least it was something. What makes Gertrude's switch suspicious was the fact that she first stated I admitted to being a lurker and invisible and yet I went back to being a lurker and invisible. She then switches her vote because she agrees more with what's been said about Camilla than suspecting me. It was obvious her vote to get rid of me wasn't going to work so she switched targets. Her vote to me wasn't one of being more suspicious of Camilla but rather trying to go with a majority. I voted for Camilla first and in the minority until she tied the vote at that point. That is the very definition of bandwagony and makes me far more suspicious of her, leading me to vote for her in this exile.

03. I'll be frank, I'm new to this kind of game. I can't be the person that just goes around questioning everyone and pointing the finger at them because that's not who I am, it's just not me. I told everyone that I was being a lurker and when you all started to get on my back and wishing me to be a "better contributor", then I have tried. I just have work and life that gets in the way of being online all the time, scrutinizing every little detail. Gertrude gives off the impression (at least to me), of someone that wants people to contribute and promote discussion, and yet makes a bandwagony vote and doesn't elaborate on her vote. I believe she is far more likely a spy and that is why I'm voting for her.

[Isaac]

Jun 24, 2010 14:54:52 GMT -6 Margot said:

Jun 24, 2010 14:40:46 GMT -6 Isaac said:

Are you completely serious Margot? Really? I mean REALLY? What kind of an argument is "Mm online now if you want to talk(Which you are by the way) before you all exile me".

No argument at all there Margot. Sounds like someone just doesn't care or is too busy to bother and either way that attitude sucks. Certainly isn't helping the case against you.

I DO care, Isaac. I just feel dejected that it's clear from what I've seen on this board and other people's suspicions that I'm the target when I know that I shouldn't be because I am a citizen. I want to be a part of this game and to catch spies, but everyone's attention is to try to get rid of me.

And just for you, Isaac, I will copy and paste my argument for Getrude into this thread.

02. Before Gertrude switched, the vote was Claude - 4, Camilla - 3, Chance - 2, and Me - 2, with her vote originally being me. I stated my case for voting for Camilla in that thread and later on when asked as a combination of activity and the evidence. I was suspicious of Camilla along with Claude given the situation that Claude presented, and given the choice between Claude and Camilla, I'd vote to keep Claude because I never talked with Camilla and while I was irked by his way of investigation, at least it was something. What makes Gertrude's switch suspicious was the fact that she first stated I admitted to being a lurker and invisible and yet I went back to being a lurker and invisible. She then switches her vote because she agrees more with what's been said about Camilla than suspecting me. It was obvious her vote to get rid of me wasn't going to work so she switched targets. Her vote to me wasn't one of being more suspicious of Camilla but rather trying to go with a majority. I voted for Camilla first and in the minority until she tied the vote at that point. That is the very definition of bandwagony and makes me far more suspicious of her, leading me to vote for her in this exile.

03. I'll be frank, I'm new to this kind of game. I can't be the person that just goes around questioning everyone and pointing the finger at them because that's not who I am, it's just not me. I told everyone that I was being a lurker and when you all started to get on my back and wishing me to be a "better contributor", then I have tried. I just have work and life that gets in the way of being online all the time, scrutinizing every little detail. Gertrude gives off the impression (at least to me), of someone that wants people to contribute and promote discussion, and yet makes a bandwagony vote and doesn't elaborate on her vote. I believe she is far more likely a spy and that is why I'm voting for her.

I believe you, was just really confused because you posted your vote then that argument and they seemed to contradict each other. Thanks for clearing it up in group chat too I'll post it here so others will know what happened:

spies8margot (3:02:29 PM): cinnamyn also has made a suspicion vote against me
spies8margot (3:02:38 PM): at both exiles
spies8margot (3:03:21 PM): i suspect Claude less than the first round because of the role claim
spies8margot (3:03:36 PM): even if he still pushed for me when he made such a claim >_>
spies8margot (3:05:24 PM): i know from my vote in the tallies thread that it seems like i've given up. well, i've constantly seen my name come up, and i am a citizen, goddammit. it sure is a lot of fun to be stuck in this group where a majority is against you and is going to vote you off
spies8margot (3:05:47 PM): when you know that it's just not right. i am a citizen, may god strike me down right now
spies8isaac (3:06:29 PM): I'm just curious Margot as to why make that comment at all. Especially with you already a suspect in other peoples minds. How in the world would it help oyou?
spies8jasmine (3:06:31 PM): I just heard lightening.
spies8margot (3:06:57 PM): because i was frustrated and i didn't censor myself, isaac.
spies8margot (3:07:13 PM): cool, jazz. we had a bad storm last night with lots of lightning
spies8margot (3:07:29 PM): to say, "Golly you guys! I think it's Gertrude!"
spies8margot (3:07:40 PM): "It sure would be swell if you didn't vote for me!"
spies8margot (3:07:45 PM): "Let's go hang out at the malt shop!"
spies8isaac (3:08:29 PM): Ok, I can understand that. But when you posted good and well thought out explanations to Awo's posts(Which really were good answers by the way) it seems like a huge contratiction to argue your beliefs in one post and not care enough in another post to even care. Just trying to figure out where you're coming from is all
spies8isaac (3:08:55 PM): lol....now I want ice cream...damn you Margot
spies8mary (3:09:14 PM): Margot, who would you say your top three suspects are?
spies8mary (3:09:21 PM): Same question to you, Isaac.
spies8margot (3:09:23 PM): not just yet, isaac. we need to hop in the mystery machine to solve a case at a haunted house
spies8margot (3:10:13 PM): totally understand, isaac. maybe i shouldn't have seem dejected in one post and yet argumentative and concise in the other, but at the moment i posted in the vote tallie thread, i was dejected
spies8jasmine (3:10:34 PM): Isaac please reply to this thread: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dems&thread=508&page=1
spies8margot (3:10:39 PM): Mary, my top three suspects are Chance and Gertrude
spies8margot (3:10:48 PM): the third one would have to be Lilith
spies8margot (3:10:53 PM): because i don't have a read on her
spies8mary (3:10:56 PM): Why Lilith?
spies8mary (3:10:57 PM): Ok.
spies8mary (3:11:11 PM): So you think everyone else is more citizenish?
spies8margot (3:11:25 PM): *is currently reading cinnamyn's lilith thread*
spies8mary (3:11:31 PM): Ok.
spies8margot (3:12:14 PM): i think some people are more citizenish than others. i don't think Magalie is a spy or Cory
spies8jasmine (3:12:31 PM): Cory did vote for Camilla.
spies8isaac (3:12:34 PM): Ok, then I can understand that. Was just finding it very odd that you care once and then not at all so trying to see what to belive. It's nice though because we've heard more from you in the last 3 real days then the whole game. Everyone trusts no one so far so don't feel like the world is out to get you just yet. We all have questions and suspicions, just trying to clear things up, so thanks for the honest answer
spies8jasmine (3:12:38 PM): And magalie hasn't done much spy hunting yet.
spies8mary (3:12:48 PM): Margot, do you have a read on Isaac?

[Cory]

My vote will likely go to one of Margot & Isaac.

Margot for

(A) deflection of suspicion from Gertrude. We discussed this in the chat a few nights ago, but Margot's reason for finding Gertrude suspect essentially comes down to the fact that Gertrude cast the same for as she did, for the same reasons she did. I can't find any logical explanation for how that could strike you as being an indication that they are a Spy.

(B) Same reason I had considered voting her last episode. She's a big lack of presence in the Burg, yet she's definitely around. As proof of this, she just made a post last night in the activity thread, but never signed online.

Isaac - Similar reasons to Margot. I just get a feeling he's lingering on the sidelines. While I considered it may be due to bad timing on our parts, it's been mentioned by others as well. Admittedly, I don't have any real substantial reasons for suspecting him besides this vibe I get. Will be reviewing, though.

[Jasmine]

During everything with Isaac, and me becoming suspicious of him I was expecting a lot more out of Margot, but didn't get much at all. I was very back and forth between the two, but the fact that she did end up coming online, and yet didn't fight for a Gertrude lynch or even ask Isaac anything, but still..just observe. It didn't help her case any, and I think because of that and not wanting to rashly vote for Isaac.(And since I can't vote for Chance) It's leading me to vote for Margot at this point. In case I don't return before the live exile chat. Good luck to everyone. *crosses fingers that we get a spy this time around, we are obviously the better team.*

If you want clarification on the Isaac stuff, there is a thread. If you want chats of Margot not saying much at all, they are posted there. The girl just doesn't seem to care, and she showed that today..and she had the perfect opportunity to participate--I even asked her a few questions, I got nothing back from the gurl. Sorry Margot, your real chill. but nahh, I think your spy.

[Awohali]

I believe I have mentioned this in other threads, as well as to people in instant messages, but I have currently narrowed my vote for tonight down to Margot and Magalie. I would personally prefer voting Magalie at this moment, but I do not wish to waste a vote, and because so many votes are unaccounted for, I am not sure whether a vote for Margot would be necessary to prevent someone I suspect far less from going.

[Magalie]

well my vote is for Margot...peace out I got a party to go to.

[Jasmine]

I love you Magalie!

[Broderick]

Some of these suspicions/votes look

[Awohali]

I have decided that I am voting Magalie. I hope that she enjoys her party anyway, though.

[Isaac]

Well it's no surprise for anyone I'm sure, but once again I will vote Claude. Obviously by now everyone here know I disagree with his reckless play style and have a hard time seeing it benefit citizen or spies. But I found it really odd that first thing today he claimed a role, a role for all intensive purposes could help either side. It's definitly a move a smart Spy would make to stay around in a game longer, especially after the Camilla lynch yesterday. And that claim plus everything else I still don't quite get with him has earned him my vote.

[Jasmine]

Your lynching him, even though he has a role?

[Gertrude]

Claude - Isaac
Gertrude - Margot
Margot - Magalie, Lawrence, Jasmine
Magalie - Awohali

Yet to vote: Cinnamyn, Gertrude, Cory, Lilith, Broderick, Mary.

This might be wrong, so, sorry if it is.

[Isaac]

Jun 24, 2010 18:54:31 GMT -6 Jasmine said:

Your lynching him, even though he has a role?

Spies can't have roles...what, I must have missed that somewhere in Sam's rules

[Jasmine]

Your ridiculous.

[Claude]

I will be voting either Magalie or Isaac. I am still deciding.

[Gertrude]

I've decided to vote for Margot after MUCH internal and external deliberation.

There are numerous reasons why I'm doing so and I hope people don't expect me to post an entire case when we've been discussing what's so scummy about her for days now. Essentially, though, she's deflected attention, played the victim, and generally been unhelpful.