Episode 7 conversations

[Stephanie]

Immediately after the Zeke exile:
Conversation with stephowencory at 7/21/2010 11:05:23 PM on spies8stephanie (aim)
(11:05:23 PM) spies8cory entered the room.
(11:05:23 PM) spies8owen entered the room.
(11:05:23 PM) spies8stephanie entered the room.
(11:05:30 PM) spies8owen: Hey hey.
(11:05:45 PM) spies8cory: Ok Steph
(11:05:46 PM) spies8stephanie: lol i can't even hit the right button
(11:05:53 PM) spies8stephanie: so wft???
(11:05:57 PM) spies8cory: So about 20 minutes before exile Kiara role claimed to me
(11:06:12 PM) spies8stephanie: so?
(11:06:18 PM) spies8stephanie: and you believed her?
(11:06:21 PM) spies8owen: Well, firstly... the reason I trust Cory.
(11:06:27 PM) spies8owen: Cory is the doctor.
(11:06:36 PM) spies8cory: Indeed.
(11:06:38 PM) spies8stephanie: oh noooooo
(11:06:51 PM) spies8owen: Who do you think the first save was?
(11:07:08 PM) spies8stephanie: nita, i thought, like everyone else
(11:07:14 PM) spies8cory: ERRRRN
(11:07:19 PM) spies8owen: It was Gabe.
(11:07:56 PM) spies8cory: Once Dane posted that thread there was no way I was going to protect Nita.
(11:07:59 PM) spies8stephanie: did gabe tell you something?
(11:08:02 PM) spies8cory: Nope
(11:08:06 PM) spies8cory: I never got a chance to talk to him
(11:08:10 PM) spies8cory: Minus pre-game
(11:08:28 PM) spies8cory: I just looked for a fun character who I didn't want to get killed off early, and someone who had a decent shot of getting imprisoned
(11:08:35 PM) spies8cory: He voted Alexei so he seemed like a decent choice
(11:08:49 PM) spies8cory: However I can only save someone one time
(11:08:54 PM) spies8cory: Once that save is used, i lose my ability
(11:08:58 PM) spies8cory: That's why Gabe died the next episode
(11:09:37 PM) spies8stephanie: i'm not buying it, sorry
(11:09:42 PM) spies8cory: Why not?
(11:10:16 PM) spies8stephanie: (11:08:28 PM) spies8cory: I just looked for a fun character who I didn't want to get killed off early, and someone who had a decent shot of getting imprisoned

(11:10:23 PM) spies8stephanie: doesn't make any sense
(11:10:31 PM) spies8cory: You'd understand if you played Spies before
(11:10:37 PM) spies8stephanie: how would you know anything about him
(11:10:42 PM) spies8cory: In previous games good, fun characters have been killed off early and it makes the game suck
(11:10:47 PM) spies8cory: Because I saw him in exile chats
(11:10:51 PM) spies8stephanie: i never expected him to be imprisoned
(11:11:00 PM) spies8cory: *shrugs* You were on the Republicans
(11:11:01 PM) spies8stephanie: how would you on the other team?
(11:11:02 PM) spies8cory: I was on the Democrats
(11:11:05 PM) spies8cory: I looked at the votes
(11:11:12 PM) spies8cory: And I picked the voter whose character I liked best
(11:11:20 PM) spies8cory: Voter of Alexei
(11:11:23 PM) spies8stephanie: sorry, not buying it
(11:11:31 PM) spies8cory: Lol
(11:11:34 PM) spies8cory: Steph I ain't lying
(11:11:51 PM) spies8cory: Do you think both Owen and myself are Spies then?
(11:11:53 PM) spies8stephanie: sorry, i can't buy it
(11:11:58 PM) spies8cory: But why not?
(11:12:07 PM) spies8stephanie: no, i think owen is trusting cit
(11:12:15 PM) spies8stephanie: and overly trusted you
(11:12:22 PM) spies8cory: Why am I lying then?
(11:12:32 PM) spies8stephanie: cause spies lie?
(11:12:40 PM) spies8cory: But what makes you think I am a liar?
(11:12:56 PM) spies8stephanie: i dont' think you have any reason to protect gabe
(11:13:01 PM) spies8owen: Steph, other people knew about it.
(11:13:06 PM) spies8owen: He has logs with Nita to proved he claimed to her.
(11:13:07 PM) spies8owen: It's too risky.
(11:13:14 PM) spies8cory: I claimed to Nita right after Gabriel was imprisoned
(11:13:22 PM) spies8cory: Only way that play is safe is if I knew he was the doctor.
(11:13:36 PM) spies8stephanie: huh?
(11:13:42 PM) spies8cory: Imagine I am a Spy and lying
(11:13:54 PM) spies8cory: Nita was on both teams and widely perceived to be a citizen, right?
(11:14:02 PM) spies8cory: The doctor could easily have claimed to her
(11:14:04 PM) spies8cory: But I claimed to Nita
(11:14:12 PM) spies8cory: If I am a Spy and lying, I took a huge risk for no reason
(11:14:21 PM) spies8owen: And then another by telling me.
(11:14:22 PM) spies8owen: And then Tina.
(11:14:24 PM) spies8owen: And then others.
(11:14:50 PM) spies8owen: I wouldn't trust it for no reason.
(11:15:02 PM) spies8cory: He didn't, for a while, because of that message Allan got
(11:15:08 PM) spies8stephanie: well, owen, i am beginning to think you would
(11:15:46 PM) spies8owen: You're wrong, Steph. Everything matches up.
(11:16:06 PM) spies8owen: If Gabe was doctor, Nita would have known.
(11:16:09 PM) spies8stephanie: if gabe really was the doc, then everything would match up as well tho, right?
(11:16:10 PM) spies8owen: Nita would have outted Cory.
(11:16:19 PM) spies8owen: The second he claimed to her.
(11:16:20 PM) spies8owen: Think about it.
(11:16:41 PM) spies8stephanie: why would nita, 3rd par5y, have outed anyone?
(11:16:46 PM) spies8owen: Because she was hunting.
(11:16:47 PM) spies8owen: Clearly.
(11:17:13 PM) spies8owen: If Gabe saved Nita, which is what the messages were saying.
(11:17:15 PM) spies8owen: Nita would have known.
(11:17:19 PM) spies8stephanie: not making sense to me yet
(11:17:22 PM) spies8owen: ...
(11:17:28 PM) spies8owen: What about that doesn't make sense?
(11:17:45 PM) spies8stephanie: none of it
(11:17:47 PM) spies8owen: A smart doc (Gabe was smart) would have claimed to the person they saved.
(11:17:55 PM) spies8owen: If he saved Nita, she would have known.
(11:17:59 PM) spies8stephanie: and so?
(11:18:01 PM) spies8owen: Therefor, when Cory went to Nita claiming...
(11:18:05 PM) spies8owen: She would have called bullshit.
(11:18:25 PM) spies8stephanie: or else she would have said, aahh, at last i have found a spy
(11:18:52 PM) spies8stephanie: and then the spies being worried about her would have killed her
(11:19:18 PM) spies8cory: Kiara claimed a role
(11:19:20 PM) spies8owen: That's actually a solid point.
(11:19:25 PM) spies8cory: Do you want to know what her role is?
(11:19:27 PM) spies8owen: I already told Steph that.
(11:19:35 PM) spies8cory: She can check the roles of dead players
(11:19:45 PM) spies8cory: She checked Gabriel and he came up with no role
(11:20:38 PM) spies8cory: I don't understand why Gabriel is not a believable choice
(11:20:45 PM) spies8cory: From my perspective I knew little of what was going on on your team
(11:20:53 PM) spies8cory: How closely did you follow the Democrats while you were on the Republicans?
(11:21:00 PM) spies8stephanie: not at all
(11:21:02 PM) spies8cory: Exactly
(11:21:15 PM) spies8cory: So how would i know that Nita or Tina were better choices than Gabriel?
(11:22:35 PM) spies8stephanie: well, cause dane posted for the doc to protect nita?
(11:22:42 PM) spies8owen: I'll brb, I need to eat.
(11:22:42 PM) spies8cory: Which was a good reason NOT to protect her
(11:22:50 PM) spies8cory: If the Spies read that do you think they would still try to imprison her?
(11:23:24 PM) spies8stephanie: and why did you not protect someone on your own team?
(11:23:31 PM) spies8cory: Because our team did not exile a Spy
(11:23:45 PM) spies8cory: Yours did
(11:23:48 PM) spies8cory: And Gabriel was on the Spy wagon
(11:24:25 PM) spies8stephanie: and why him over owen or tina?
(11:24:47 PM) spies8cory: Like I said
(11:24:54 PM) spies8cory: I didn't know what was going on over there
(11:24:59 PM) spies8cory: I looked at who voted Alexei
(11:25:06 PM) spies8cory: And I picked the one whose character I liked most
(11:25:37 PM) spies8stephanie: who would have picked if camilla had flipped spy?
(11:27:05 PM) spies8cory: Claude probably
(11:27:11 PM) spies8cory: Since he was the most vocal against her
(11:27:59 PM) spies8stephanie: so who else knows that you are doc?
(11:29:23 PM) spies8cory: A lot of people
(11:29:30 PM) spies8cory: Tina knew, Mary knows, Claude knows
(11:29:32 PM) spies8cory: Nita knew
(11:29:43 PM) spies8stephanie: mary knows?
(11:29:49 PM) spies8stephanie: claude knows?
(11:29:55 PM) spies8cory: Yes and yes
(11:34:14 PM) spies8stephanie: can we invite mary here?
(11:34:20 PM) spies8cory: Sure
(11:34:44 PM) spies8mary entered the room.
(11:34:47 PM) spies8mary left the room.
(11:34:52 PM) spies8stephanie: oh crap
(11:35:04 PM) spies8mary left the room.
(11:36:23 PM) spiesXTonisha entered the room.
(11:36:23 PM) spies8cory: Woops, accidentally invited Tonisha
(11:36:26 PM) spies8cory: Hi Tonisha
(11:36:27 PM) spies8mary left the room.
(11:36:39 PM) spies8cory: Someone invite Mary back in. I can't do it
(11:36:42 PM) spiesXTonisha: i ahte mery and her cold sore anyway
(11:36:47 PM) spies8stephanie: i've tried
(11:37:02 PM) spies8owen: Back.
(11:37:10 PM) spies8cory: Can you invite Mary in?
(11:37:19 PM) spies8owen: Invited.
(11:37:22 PM) spies8mary left the room.
(11:37:27 PM) spiesXTonisha left the room.
(11:37:33 PM) spies8owen: Hmm...
(11:37:35 PM) spies8stephanie: so everyone seems to believe cory's load of horsepucky, but i dont
(11:37:52 PM) spies8mary left the room.
(11:38:46 PM) spies8cory: Lol
(11:39:04 PM) spies8cory: Again, what makes me a liar?
(11:39:21 PM) spies8stephanie: being a spy?
(11:39:28 PM) spies8cory: And why am I a spy?
(11:39:46 PM) spies8stephanie: cause you are lying about being the doc?
(11:39:54 PM) spies8cory: And why am I lying about being the doc?
(11:39:55 PM) spies8stephanie: cause you voted zeke out?
(11:40:00 PM) spies8cory: So did Owen
(11:40:05 PM) spies8cory: We had 20 minutes to decide
(11:40:25 PM) spies8stephanie: cause you convinced owen to vote with you
(11:40:43 PM) spies8cory: Actually, he changed his vote before I did.
(11:41:44 PM) spies8stephanie: like i tell chance, it's not who you said you're voting, or when you say you voted, but who you actually vote that counts
(11:42:15 PM) spies8cory: Your accusation is that I convinced Owen to vote Zed
(11:42:21 PM) spies8cory: Which is false, since he switched his vote before me.
(11:42:23 PM) spies8stephanie: owen?
(11:42:30 PM) spies8cory: I presented Kiara's claim
(11:42:34 PM) spies8cory: We discussed
(11:44:13 PM) spies8stephanie: kiara claimed to you cory?
(11:44:46 PM) spies8cory: Yes
(11:45:10 PM) spies8stephanie: did she talk to anyone else?
(11:45:15 PM) spies8cory: Not to my knowledge
(11:45:16 PM) spies8owen: I switched my vote first, yes.
(11:45:18 PM) spies8cory: (08:30:14 PM) spies8kiara: im fighting my better judgement to not to this. but im out of time, i cant wait anymore, i have no choice. i have a role
(11:45:25 PM) spies8cory:
(08:32:19 PM) spies8kiara: it isnt overly powerful, but im not going to be another savannah and leave without saying anything
(08:32:43 PM) spies8kiara: i can investigate dead players, see if they had roles or not
(11:45:56 PM) spies8cory: (08:33:36 PM) spies8Cory: Hmm
(08:33:52 PM) spies8Cory: Did you find any?
(11:46:03 PM) spies8cory:
(08:34:14 PM) spies8kiara: id rather it not be public knowedge, but your a senator who already knows much so even if your a spy your already in a good spot lol.
(11:46:09 PM) spies8cory:
(08:34:43 PM) spies8kiara: savannah, alexia, isaac had roles, gabriel, lilith, and magalie did not
(11:48:35 PM) spies8stephanie: and you believed all of this crap cory?
(11:48:58 PM) spies8stephanie: we are just now in episode 6
(11:49:03 PM) spies8cory: 7
(11:49:34 PM) spies8stephanie: ok 7 now, but 6 when kiara was telling this, presumbably
(11:49:51 PM) spies8stephanie: and she's already had 6 investigations
(11:49:58 PM) spies8stephanie: doesn't compute to me
(11:50:37 PM) spies8stephanie: you spies should have thought a little longer about this claim
(11:51:10 PM) spies8cory: Okay Steph
(11:52:55 PM) spies8stephanie: okay, so why did you 2 switch to zeke?
(11:54:01 PM) spies8stephanie: and not chance?
(11:54:11 PM) spies8stephanie: or larry in your case cory?
(11:54:22 PM) spies8cory: I've already said Chance was low on my suspicion list
(11:54:25 PM) spies8cory: Lawrence JUST got replaced
(11:54:30 PM) spies8cory: And I don't think he's a Spy anyway
(11:54:43 PM) spies8stephanie: Chance was not always low on your list tho
(11:55:02 PM) spies8cory: Steph can you invite Mary?
(11:55:06 PM) spies8stephanie: he just got low cause he remembered his convos with issac
(11:55:17 PM) spies8mary entered the room.
(11:55:22 PM) spies8stephanie: mary!
(11:55:22 PM) spies8cory: Thanks.
(11:55:30 PM) spies8mary: Hi.
(11:55:47 PM) spies8stephanie: so mary, to catch you up on my thought
(11:55:53 PM) spies8cory: Lol.
(11:56:02 PM) spies8stephanie: i think cory is a lying piece of crap
(11:56:18 PM) spies8stephanie: that has convinced e1 that he is doc
(11:56:20 PM) spies8cory: She doesn't believe that I protected Gabriel in episode two.
(11:56:46 PM) spies8stephanie: WAIT
(11:56:55 PM) spies8cory: wut
(11:57:03 PM) spies8stephanie: oh nvm
(11:57:08 PM) spies8cory: Yes episode two
(11:57:11 PM) spies8cory: There was no imprisonment in episode one
(11:57:16 PM) spies8cory: I put Cinnamyn down for episode one
(11:57:16 PM) spies8stephanie: it was 3 that gabe was exiled
(11:58:13 PM) spies8stephanie: imprisoned*
(11:58:55 PM) spies8stephanie: i still don't believe that gabe was protected
(11:59:11 PM) spies8stephanie: and i still don't believe that you had any reason to protect him
(11:59:18 PM) spies8mary: Do you have evidence that the doctor was someone else?
(11:59:30 PM) spies8stephanie: no
(11:59:51 PM) spies8mary: We have evidence that the Spies wanted Gabriel dead.
(12:00:16 AM) spies8stephanie: and if gabriel were the doc, everything would make sense
(12:00:46 AM) spies8cory: In other words you think that message really did come from Savannah, a dead player
(12:00:53 AM) spies8stephanie: but as i told owen, my best guess for doc was themba
(12:01:16 AM) spies8stephanie: NO, cory what does that have to do with anything?
(12:01:37 AM) spies8cory: Then what was the purpose of the message?
(12:01:49 AM) spies8cory: By the time that message got sent I had already told Nita and Owen
(12:02:08 AM) spies8stephanie: so?
(12:02:28 AM) spies8cory: So do you think that message was sent by a Spy? If so, why would I, as a Spy, want that message sent?
(12:02:40 AM) spies8cory: That message said Gabriel was the doctor.
(12:02:53 AM) spies8stephanie: this was to allan?
(12:02:57 AM) spies8cory: Yes
(12:03:33 AM) spies8stephanie: i've always said that i have a hard time wifoming spies, but
(12:03:50 AM) spies8stephanie: so that no one would actually think gabe was doc?
(12:04:24 AM) spies8stephanie: clearly the message was fake.. and so maybe just so we would think content was fake?
(12:04:38 AM) spies8cory: Or maybe it was sent to try and stir up shit, which it most definitely did
(12:05:17 AM) spies8stephanie: not much actually, it was dismissed as a spy message almost immediately
(12:05:32 AM) spies8cory: After a couple of days
(12:05:52 AM) spies8cory: However
(12:05:56 AM) spies8stephanie: this whole confusion theory that the spies keep pulling out is over-rated
(12:05:57 AM) spies8cory: In order for that to work
(12:06:05 AM) spies8cory: I, as a Spy, would have to have known Gabriel was the doctor
(12:06:22 AM) spies8stephanie: yep
(12:06:31 AM) spies8cory: And how exactly would I have known that, if I am a Spy?
(12:06:33 AM) spies8stephanie: i think that may be correct
(12:06:39 AM) spies8cory: Lol
(12:06:41 AM) spies8stephanie: an investigation?
(12:06:42 AM) spies8cory: This is loony theory
(12:06:48 AM) spies8stephanie: a slip by gabe?
(12:06:56 AM) spies8cory: Find me the slip?
(12:07:15 AM) spies8stephanie: cory, i think thou doth protest too much
(12:07:35 AM) spies8cory: You're making stuff up now to explain why I am a Spy, but providing zero evidence
(12:07:58 AM) spies8cory: That's called confirmation bias
(12:08:12 AM) spies8stephanie: no that's called calling a spy a spy
(12:08:33 AM) spies8cory: Noooope sorry
(12:09:29 AM) spies8mary: Does it make sense to post the message?
(12:09:32 AM) spies8stephanie: after your vote for zeke, it's hard for me to buy into any of this
(12:10:03 AM) spies8stephanie: i'm really still mad that you two exiled zeke
(12:10:32 AM) spies8mary: You should be mad at them and Kiara.
(12:10:50 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah, idk
(12:11:00 AM) spies8stephanie: someone is a big fibber here
(12:11:26 AM) spies8stephanie: perhaps it's kiara and you two just bought into it
(12:11:46 AM) spies8stephanie: i'm pretty sure that kiara is lying
(12:11:47 AM) spies8cory: 20 minutes Steph
(12:11:51 AM) spies8cory: 20 minutes of high pressure
(12:11:54 AM) spies8cory: You try handling it
(12:12:02 AM) spies8cory: She may be.
(12:12:05 AM) spies8cory: She definitely has a role
(12:12:09 AM) spies8stephanie: there's no way that she could have had that many investigations already
(12:12:10 AM) spies8cory: Whether it's a Spy role I don't know
(12:12:18 AM) spies8cory: Why not?
(12:12:25 AM) spies8stephanie: that's just gotta be a fib
(12:12:37 AM) spies8stephanie: cause we were only at episode 5
(12:12:40 AM) spies8stephanie: 6*
(12:12:54 AM) spies8stephanie: no one died until the end of episode 1
(12:13:12 AM) spies8stephanie: and yet she's already investigated 6 dead bodies
(12:13:16 AM) spies8stephanie: no way
(12:13:30 AM) spies8cory: She got two for Themba
(12:13:42 AM) spies8cory: Because, like she said, if she correctly guessed the alignment beforehand, she got two
(12:14:03 AM) spies8stephanie: another load of horsepucky
(12:14:18 AM) spies8stephanie: that you invented or bought into
(12:16:27 AM) spies8stephanie: sorry, i could have obviously gone along with you two
(12:16:38 AM) spies8stephanie: on the theory that cory was doc
(12:17:01 AM) spies8stephanie: and that kiara convinced you that she was cit with a role
(12:17:25 AM) spies8stephanie: and learned what you wanted me to
(12:17:42 AM) spies8stephanie: but i'm not buying it for a instant
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[Stephanie]

And I was talking to the 3 of them individually:
Conversation with spies8owen at 7/21/2010 9:17:22 PM on spies8stephanie (aim)
(9:17:32 PM) spies8stephanie: hi owen
(9:18:32 PM) spies8owen: Hey Steph.
(9:18:37 PM) spies8owen: I just noticed Lawrence is online
(9:18:40 PM) spies8stephanie: wow!
(9:18:41 PM) spies8owen:
(9:19:08 PM) spies8stephanie: i was talking to mary this afternoon and needed to ask you about some stuff
(9:19:18 PM) spies8owen: Shoot.
(9:20:03 PM) spies8stephanie: she told me that she wasn't interested in voting chance, because you and cory shot her down last episode
(9:20:21 PM) spies8stephanie: because of some isaac/chance chat
(9:20:29 PM) spies8stephanie: and i got confused
(9:20:35 PM) spies8owen: Yep, Chance had Isaac logs.
(9:20:39 PM) spies8owen: Went over all of them with Cory.
(9:21:11 PM) spies8owen: I wouldn't say I shot her down, I just don't think Chance is a spy.
(9:21:27 PM) spies8owen: The majority of the defending was done by Cory.
(9:21:44 PM) spies8stephanie: why didn't anyone tell me about this last night when i said i was voting chance?
(9:22:03 PM) spies8owen: I thought others were aware of the Isaac/Chance logs.
(9:22:12 PM) spies8stephanie: i wasn't
(9:22:25 PM) spies8owen: Cory was the one that got it first hand, would be better to ask him about it.
(9:22:47 PM) spies8stephanie: i thought she was talking about the zeke/isaac chat that you two talked about last night, but i haven't seen
(9:23:00 PM) spies8owen: There's that, too.
(9:23:07 PM) spies8stephanie: yeah and i am asking him also, just wanted your take
(9:23:15 PM) spies8owen: I'll forward that in PM. One sec.
(9:23:22 PM) spies8owen: Zed actually sent more than he was supposed to of it.
(9:24:20 PM) spies8owen: Sent. Not that you were voting Zed, anyway.
(9:24:24 PM) spies8owen: But it looks good for him.
(9:27:12 PM) spies8stephanie: do you think there is any possibility that cory is lying about this?
(9:27:27 PM) spies8stephanie: cause something smells horrible in this situation
(9:27:33 PM) spies8owen: Doubtful. I trust Cory.
(9:27:46 PM) spies8stephanie: i did too, but something here stinks
(9:31:26 PM) spies8stephanie: and why do you trust cory?
(9:31:41 PM) spies8stephanie: something is just wrong with this picture to me
(9:32:27 PM) spies8stephanie: when gert last night said that she was voting zeke, i went thru all of the reasons why i thought that was a bad vote
(9:32:29 PM) spies8owen: Cory earned my trust over the rounds. When I needed someone to put another nomination on Isaac just incase, Cory changed.
(9:32:41 PM) spies8stephanie: and yet you and cory don't do the same favor for me?
(9:33:37 PM) spies8owen: Didn't think to mention it, I thought it was something that was out there amongst everyone.
(9:33:59 PM) spies8stephanie: how?
(9:34:09 PM) spies8stephanie: is it posted anywhere???
(9:34:20 PM) spies8stephanie: why are you 2 keeping this a secret?
(9:34:59 PM) spies8owen: It isn't a secret.
(9:35:16 PM) spies8owen: Calm down, Steph. If it was secretive, why did Mary know about it?
(9:35:19 PM) spies8stephanie: well, yeah, it is a secret, no one knows about it
(9:36:44 PM) spies8owen: I'm pretty sure that other people knew about it. Cory has used it as a defense of Chance before.
(9:42:40 PM) spies8stephanie: well, claude says he knew about it just ignored and didn't think it meant anything
(9:42:56 PM) spies8stephanie: but duh, it obviously means somethinig
(9:44:19 PM) spies8stephanie: jenny doesn't seem to know
(9:45:56 PM) spies8stephanie: i dont' think i am just being paranoid here (tho god knows it's possible)
(9:46:28 PM) spies8owen: I would imagine that Jenny doesn't know about it because she doesn't suspect Chance.
(9:47:50 PM) spies8stephanie: well, see and this is just against my general theory that the more the burg knows the better the chances of catching spies is
(9:49:00 PM) spies8stephanie: the spies already know everything from talking to their spy partners
(9:49:11 PM) spies8stephanie: that's why they have an advantage
(9:49:33 PM) spies8stephanie: i'm def rethinking my position on cory
(9:58:47 PM) spies8stephanie: who are you voting btw?
(9:59:06 PM) spies8owen: I switched to Zed.
(9:59:11 PM) spies8stephanie: NOOOOOO
(9:59:17 PM) spies8owen: Kiara claimed.
(9:59:24 PM) spies8stephanie: what?
(9:59:29 PM) spies8owen: Mortician.
(9:59:33 PM) spies8owen: Pretty much.
(9:59:37 PM) spies8owen: Uncover dead roles.
(9:59:47 PM) spies8stephanie: was this in main chat?
(9:59:48 PM) spies8owen: And they seem like they'd be acurate.
(9:59:49 PM) spies8owen: No.
(9:59:54 PM) spies8owen: I'm telling you privately.
(10:00:02 PM) spies8owen: I believe a few others know now though.
(10:00:33 PM) spies8stephanie: and had she uncovered anything?
(10:00:36 PM) spies8owen: Yes.
(10:00:38 PM) spies8owen: Alexei had a role.
(10:00:41 PM) spies8owen: As did Isaac.
(10:01:04 PM) spies8stephanie: any cits?
(10:01:08 PM) spies8owen: Sav.
(10:09:47 PM) spies8owen: Not feeling good about this. Gut is telling me Zed is town.
(10:10:03 PM) spies8stephanie: that's not your gut owen, that's ME
(10:10:07 PM) spies8stephanie: zeke is town!
(10:10:08 PM) spies8owen: lmao
(10:10:43 PM) spies8stephanie: there is no way that initial argument between alex and zeke was spy v spy
(10:11:09 PM) spies8owen: The way they didn't vote each other makes it possible.
(10:11:24 PM) spies8owen: I've seen scum get caught up in things like that before.
(10:11:41 PM) spies8stephanie: in the first 5 minutes of the game???
(10:12:26 PM) spies8owen: It was a day in, but I see what you're saying.
(10:13:23 PM) spies8stephanie: plus what about the zeke/isaac chat?
(10:13:53 PM) spies8stephanie: why are we believing cory so much that the chance/isaac chats were real?
(10:14:02 PM) spies8stephanie: this is just wrong
(10:14:35 PM) spies8stephanie: something stinks to high heaven here
(10:27:59 PM) spies8stephanie: so?
(10:28:17 PM) spies8owen: You were right? :/
(10:33:39 PM) spies8stephanie: wtf is going on here?
(10:34:07 PM) spies8stephanie: my world has turned upside down
(10:59:23 PM) spies8owen: Dane's quit.
(10:59:25 PM) spies8owen: After Allan's...
(10:59:28 PM) spies8owen: Screams WIFOM.
(10:59:47 PM) spies8owen: Just like the first bribe against him.
(11:05:01 PM) spies8stephanie: i hit the wrong button
(11:07:45 PM) spies8stephanie: i'm not buying this
(11:07:56 PM) spies8owen: Tina knew. Others know.
(11:08:00 PM) spies8owen: We have chats.
(11:08:12 PM) spies8owen: It's not bullshit, Steph.
(11:08:31 PM) spies8stephanie: you all knew what cory is claiming?
(11:08:38 PM) spies8owen: Cory claimed to me
(11:08:39 PM) spies8stephanie: but how do we know it's true?
(11:08:41 PM) spies8owen: A few rounds ago.
(11:08:43 PM) spies8owen: He claimed to Nita
(11:08:45 PM) spies8owen: Before she died.
(11:08:47 PM) spies8owen: Everything matches up
(11:09:02 PM) spies8owen: Once she died, he needed someone else to trust.
(11:11:38 PM) spies8stephanie: i am def not buying this bs
(11:20:23 PM) spies8stephanie: you say that i make a point and suddenly cory turns his attention to kiara?
(11:20:34 PM) spies8stephanie: something is wrong here owen
(11:20:56 PM) spies8owen: Steph, I've been able to trust him for a few rounds. I know you're going to be skeptical, but it's legitimate.
(11:21:17 PM) spies8stephanie: crap owen
(11:21:25 PM) spies8stephanie: i did trust him
(11:21:43 PM) spies8stephanie: but now i've got to think you or him or both of you are spies
(11:21:52 PM) spies8owen: Why?
(11:21:56 PM) spies8owen: There's other people that know.
(11:21:58 PM) spies8owen: And trust him.
(11:24:55 PM) spies8stephanie: ack -- so he's a good spy
(11:46:45 PM) spies8stephanie: ok so this stinks already
(11:47:04 PM) spies8stephanie: how has kiara had this many investigations already?
(11:47:20 PM) spies8stephanie: we are only now on episode 6?
(11:47:39 PM) spies8stephanie: and it took 1 before anyone was dead
(11:48:11 PM) spies8stephanie: she should be at least one behind
(11:48:27 PM) spies8owen: (08:40:46 PM) spies8kiara: a summary. savannah got to send private messages and alexei was told 30 minutes before exile how many votes were on him (but not who vote him)
(11:48:47 PM) spies8owen: spies8kiara: savannah and alexia where round 3, gabriel was round 4, isaac was 5, lilith and magalie were 6. i get 1 each round, plus 1 more if i guess the alignment of the exiled player before sam announces it
(11:51:20 PM) spies8stephanie: horsepucky
(11:52:32 PM) spies8owen: I'm not sure I trust the Kiara part. I do trust Cory, even if you scrutunize me for it.
(11:52:44 PM) spies8owen: If I had more time to think about the Kiara role I probably would have lynched her anyway.
(11:53:30 PM) spies8stephanie: which is one reason for claiming at absolute last minute
(12:18:25 AM) spies8stephanie: so, owen, are you a spy?
(12:18:42 AM) spies8stephanie: if so, i should have taken the bribe and quit the game
(12:19:22 AM) spies8owen: I'm not a spy.
(12:19:33 AM) spies8owen: I know everyone would say that, so yeah.
(12:19:58 AM) spies8owen: I'm trustworthy, which you will see when all is said and done.
(12:20:32 AM) spies8stephanie: but this stuff with cory is totally bs
(12:20:53 AM) spies8stephanie: if you are not a spy, he is, and just playing you
(12:21:19 AM) spies8owen: I'm confident that we're both town.
(12:21:29 AM) spies8owen: I trusted him as much as I did Tina.
(12:21:46 AM) spies8owen: Tina trusted him completely, too. I don't think think Cory is playing everyone -- really don't.
(12:22:13 AM) spies8stephanie: why did tina trust him?
(12:22:54 AM) spies8owen: Because it made sense. I'll look for stuff she said afterwards. One sec.
(12:24:25 AM) spies8owen: (3:30:39 AM) spies8owen: You trust him as much as I do?
(3:30:43 AM) spies8owen: (which is almost completely)
(3:30:48 AM) spies8tina: Yes.
(3:30:50 AM) spies8owen: It all makes sense.
(3:31:14 AM) spies8tina: If one of us ends up dead in lounge with the other alive, we need to make some pre-planned code to say Gabe really was doctor.
(12:24:30 AM) spies8owen: This is after he claimed to her.
(12:25:36 AM) spies8owen: We did a lot of doc stuff together. Lilith volunteered to pretend to be the doc as she wanted to be imprisoned.
(12:26:02 AM) spies8owen: Unfortunately she was wayyyy too over the top.
(12:30:33 AM) spies8stephanie: or unfortunately, the spies(cory), were in on it
(12:31:28 AM) spies8stephanie: so once again, sorry if i keep repeating, why did you vote zeke?
(12:31:53 AM) spies8stephanie: are you so convinced on chance?
(12:32:23 AM) spies8owen: Because of Kiara's claim. And again I'll say that if I had more time, there's a big possibility I would have lynched her.
(12:32:43 AM) spies8owen: I don't think he's a spy. Gut is used sometimes.
(12:34:05 AM) spies8stephanie: ok, next time cinnamyn asks me, i'm going to tell her to ignore you
(12:34:21 AM) spies8owen: Ignore me?
(12:34:52 AM) spies8owen: If you're implying I've told people to ignore someone, that's "horsepucky."
(12:35:08 AM) spies8stephanie: last episode, when she asked who to vote for, i told her to talk to you
(12:35:27 AM) spies8stephanie: next episode, i'll tell her to ignore you
(12:36:12 AM) spies8owen: Alright...
(12:36:18 AM) spies8owen: Don't know why that was neccessary.
(12:36:37 AM) spies8stephanie: i'm still really upset that zeke was exiled
(12:37:14 AM) spies8owen: I'm not happy about it either. And having you suddenly have this attitude change with me isn't making me feel any better.
(12:37:34 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah, i understand
(12:37:57 AM) spies8stephanie: but believe me, it's harder on me than you
(12:38:15 AM) spies8stephanie: my whole world has been turned upside down
(12:38:48 AM) spies8owen: I wanted to tell you about the doctor stuff because you were feeling left out in the dark. I tell you, it blows up.
(12:39:19 AM) spies8stephanie: and a lot of that is because both of you voted zeke
(12:41:13 AM) spies8owen: I don't feel good about mislynching him at all. I don't feel good about mislynching people that I dislike, even. Do you think I was excited by Kiara's roleclaim with such little time left? It sucked for me, too.
(12:41:36 AM) spies8owen: It didn't give me enough time to think it over.
(12:41:41 AM) spies8stephanie: i'm sure it did
(12:42:28 AM) spies8stephanie: and i really do think that you are still cit, but i also really have come to question your judgement
(12:43:03 AM) spies8owen: That's fine. I don't expect everyone to think that I'm always going to make the right decisions.
(12:43:31 AM) spies8owen: I am far from perfect. In fact, this game is making me stress out way too much for my own good.
(12:43:31 AM) spies8stephanie: the only think that makes you think chance is cit, is cory's alleged conversation with him about isaac?
(12:43:56 AM) spies8owen: My blood sugars are out of whack, I'm sick on top of it. I'm not enjoying this.
(12:44:15 AM) spies8stephanie: oh, owen, i am sorry
(12:44:29 AM) spies8stephanie: it's just a game, get a grip
(12:45:00 AM) spies8stephanie: so what if i think cory is evil spy leading you arounr?
(12:45:19 AM) spies8stephanie: either i'm right or i'm just crazy?
(12:45:24 AM) spies8stephanie: who cares?
(12:46:13 AM) spies8owen: LOL, it's not about that. It's been overwhelming me for a while, the game in general.
(12:46:39 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah, i understand
(12:46:58 AM) spies8stephanie: the first spies game i played in ( don't tell anyone this)
(12:47:22 AM) spies8stephanie: i was gone fairly quickly, but dreamed about it every night
(12:47:54 AM) spies8stephanie: and couldn't imagine being in it for the duration
(12:48:15 AM) spies8stephanie: it was way too overwhelming
(12:48:27 AM) spies8owen: I've last way longer than I thought I would.
(12:48:33 AM) spies8owen: I feel like I'm just hanging in here to be imped.
(12:49:10 AM) spies8stephanie: i was actually glad to be gone...cause i could quit obsessing ove it
(12:50:06 AM) spies8stephanie: and however much time sam says it takes, it takes 10 times that much
(12:50:07 AM) spies8owen: I know, I was relieved the last time I played Spies (you can tell people this because I'm obviously not new) after I went. Upsetting at first, but the initial sadness it's all relief.
(12:50:21 AM) spies8owen: but after*
(12:50:51 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, Spies takes much more effort & time than one would think when applying.
(12:51:26 AM) spies8stephanie: ok, so anyway, back to cory-spy
(12:52:00 AM) spies8stephanie: did you two discuss voting larry at all? i know you couldnt' but cory might have?
(12:53:17 AM) spies8stephanie: and is there anyway for you to know that gabriel wasn't the doc?
(12:54:41 AM) spies8owen: I don't recall us talking about Larry for this vote, but we discussed him after the Magalie flip.
(12:54:42 AM) spies8owen: He looked good.
(12:55:16 AM) spies8stephanie: looked good?
(12:55:18 AM) spies8owen: The one convo I had with Law he said that he would want Magalie out
(12:55:22 AM) spies8owen: Over any republicans.
(12:56:45 AM) spies8stephanie: and at least he voted the same way
(12:57:07 AM) spies8stephanie: his first vote was for me, and 2nd for mags
(12:58:26 AM) spies8stephanie: so, i think i can reconcile you with being cit
(12:58:53 AM) spies8stephanie: but i dont' think there is anyway i can ever reconcile cory with being cit
(12:59:06 AM) spies8owen: I feel like Cory will be imped soon, tbh.
(12:59:08 AM) spies8owen: One of us.
(1:00:54 AM) spies8stephanie: and kiara's claim just stinks to me; i don't think it can possibly be true; and think that's why she waited until last minute
(1:02:03 AM) spies8owen: I'm not sold on it either.
(1:02:26 AM) spies8stephanie: cory's claim of doc is either true or not true
(1:02:42 AM) spies8owen: It's true.
(1:02:43 AM) spies8owen: You shall see.
(1:03:05 AM) spies8owen: I've been played big time before, I've taken some precautions this time.
(1:03:37 AM) spies8owen: And have been extra paranoid (which is why I didn't exactly trust Themba JUST because she could have been buddying up to me)
(1:04:10 AM) spies8owen: If I'm wrong about Cory... *blows brains out*
(1:04:55 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah, well i tried to tell you about themba and you voted he anyway
(1:05:12 AM) spies8owen: But all of the people I've been trusting have been town. Gabe, Nita, Tina. I feel good about Cory, I really do. Obviously that isn't a reason for YOU not to look at him.
(1:05:20 AM) spies8stephanie: and then i tried to tell you about zeke and you voted him as well
(1:05:36 AM) spies8owen: Well, my vote on Themba was strictly because I was convinced she was convinced to Isaac.
(1:05:40 AM) spies8owen: I was half right about that. :/
(1:05:46 AM) spies8owen: connected*
(1:05:47 AM) spies8owen: not convinced
(1:06:00 AM) spies8stephanie: i wasn't really upset about themba, but i am about zeke
(1:06:17 AM) spies8owen: Why did you trust Zed so much>?
(1:06:37 AM) spies8stephanie: mostly cause of the alexei connection
(1:06:43 AM) spies8owen: Besides the conversation he had with Isaac, I was still thinking he could be scum.
(1:06:48 AM) spies8owen: See, Alexei didn't even vote him.
(1:06:52 AM) spies8owen: That's why I don't think that was big.
(1:06:52 AM) spies8stephanie: but you had additional info with the isaac chat
(1:07:13 AM) spies8stephanie: which you disregarded
(1:07:49 AM) spies8owen: I didn't want to disregard it, I was thrown off by Kiara.
(1:07:52 AM) spies8owen: Not sure how many times I can say it.
(1:08:57 AM) spies8stephanie: and i would have been thown off too, but getting thrown off onto zeke is not acceptable
(1:09:28 AM) spies8stephanie: and not telling anyone about it, also not acceptable
(1:10:58 AM) spies8stephanie: so my new spy list is kiara, cory, chance, and ?
(1:11:38 AM) spies8stephanie: larry? gert?
(1:12:15 AM) spies8stephanie: we need to get one of kiara, cory, chance out
(1:12:47 AM) spies8stephanie: they are all protecting each other to some extent
(1:14:19 AM) spies8stephanie: and if you truly believe that cory is doc, then i might come around if kiara or chance is cit
(1:14:54 AM) spies8stephanie: but for now cory, kiara, and chance are tied for my number 1 slot

[Stephanie]

Conversation with spies8mary at 7/21/2010 5:13:55 PM on spies8stephanie (aim)
(5:13:55 PM) spies8mary: Who do you want to exile?
(5:24:23 PM) spies8stephanie: chance
(5:24:26 PM) spies8stephanie: sry phone
(5:24:30 PM) spies8mary: It's ok.
(5:24:44 PM) spies8stephanie: and you?
(5:28:36 PM) spies8mary: I don't want to vote for Kiara or Chance right now.
(5:28:47 PM) spies8mary: I am trying to decide between Lawrence and Zed.
(5:29:04 PM) spies8stephanie: well i'm still convinced that zeke is a cit
(5:29:14 PM) spies8stephanie: so i would recommend larry
(5:29:46 PM) spies8stephanie: larry has been at the head of my spy list for some time
(5:29:48 PM) spies8mary: That's how I'm leaning.
(5:30:20 PM) spies8mary: But I am aware of the argument that he will probably idle out and we won't have to waste an exile.
(5:30:38 PM) spies8mary: I read all of Zed's posts and my chats with him.
(5:30:53 PM) spies8mary: I wish he was around more, because he's enjoyable to talk with.
(5:31:58 PM) spies8stephanie: yea, i think he just needs to loosen up a little
(5:32:45 PM) spies8stephanie: not sure but i think the initial chat where alexei attacked him, might have traumatized zeke a little
(5:33:07 PM) spies8stephanie: and he's afraid to come back on and get interrogated and attacked
(5:33:35 PM) spies8stephanie: he might have run into broderick at some point also, i'm not sure
(5:57:09 PM) spies8stephanie: mary?
(5:57:15 PM) spies8mary: Yes.
(5:57:20 PM) spies8stephanie: can i ask why you don't want to vote chance?
(5:57:37 PM) spies8mary: I had a long, long talk with Owen and Cory.
(5:57:48 PM) spies8mary: When we were on the Senate together episode 5.
(5:58:02 PM) spies8mary: I presented my full Chance case. It was very, very long and detailed.
(5:58:11 PM) spies8mary: And they basically ignored it.
(5:58:17 PM) spies8mary: I wasted a few hours.
(5:58:37 PM) spies8mary: Then they told me they trusted Chance because of a conversation Chance had with Isaac.
(5:58:50 PM) spies8mary: And they would not be swayed.
(5:59:26 PM) spies8mary: So basically, if Chance is a Spy, then Owen and Cory are almost definitely spies. At least one, for sure.
(5:59:41 PM) spies8stephanie: wait
(5:59:46 PM) spies8mary: And I have ok reads on them, so I am deferring on Chance.
(5:59:56 PM) spies8stephanie: i thought the conversation was with zeke and isaac
(6:00:17 PM) spies8stephanie: or were there 2 conversations?
(6:00:53 PM) spies8mary: That's different, I believe.
(6:03:48 PM) spies8stephanie: i wonder why they didn't tell me about the chance/isaac conversation?
(6:04:03 PM) spies8stephanie: since i've told both of them that i'm voting chance
(6:04:13 PM) spies8mary: You might ask them about it.
(6:04:24 PM) spies8stephanie: i def am planning on it
(6:04:28 PM) spies8stephanie: the second i see them
(6:04:36 PM) spies8mary: I don't like the information flow in this game, but for the most part I try not to spread things people say too much.
(6:05:20 PM) spies8stephanie: lol, i told exactly one person that i was guessing that themba was the doc
(6:05:35 PM) spies8mary: And it spread?
(6:05:43 PM) spies8stephanie: and the next thing i knew, someone was asking me why i thought mags was the doc?
(6:06:01 PM) spies8mary: Rondak, Lawrence, Jenny, Cinnamyn
(6:06:13 PM) spies8mary: Any reason why they couldn't be the final four spies?
(6:06:42 PM) spies8stephanie: i think if jenny is spy, that allan is probably a spy
(6:07:03 PM) spies8stephanie: so i might stick allan in there
(6:07:10 PM) spies8mary: That would be an incredibly weird play by them.
(6:07:28 PM) spies8mary: Maybe not, I guess.
(6:07:39 PM) spies8mary: If she really thought her spypartner was in danger.
(6:07:41 PM) spies8stephanie: less weird, i think, than alexei attacking zeke in the first hour of chat
(6:09:02 PM) spies8stephanie: idk about cinn
(6:09:12 PM) spies8stephanie: i don't have much of a read on her at all
(6:09:50 PM) spies8stephanie: and i was leaning spy on a-rondak, but i'm liking b-rondak better
(6:09:58 PM) spies8mary: She got Magalie right, but she was late to the game.
(6:10:03 PM) spies8mary: Really?
(6:10:11 PM) spies8mary: What's the deal with B-rondak?
(6:10:39 PM) spies8stephanie: the deal, idk, i think he's a rl buddy of a-rondak
(6:10:49 PM) spies8stephanie: who got b-rondak to sub for him
(6:10:53 PM) spies8mary: But how did you get a good vibe off of him?
(6:11:22 PM) spies8stephanie: not a good vibe perhaps, i just like talking to him more
(6:11:26 PM) spies8mary: Ok.
(6:11:31 PM) spies8mary: A-Rondak was crabby.
(6:26:20 PM) spies8stephanie: what do you think about hambone?
(6:26:39 PM) spies8stephanie: i keep going back to mags saying kill tina and then kill hambone
(6:26:45 PM) spies8mary: I didn't like the way he stuck on Jenny but now I'm starting to think he may have been right.
(6:26:55 PM) spies8mary: But now he went from Gertrude to Rondak.
(6:27:19 PM) spies8mary: So I'm not sure. He is not a good player.
(6:27:32 PM) spies8mary: He got in a fight with Dane when the Alexei case was brought up.
(6:27:40 PM) spies8mary: It looked like a distraction.
(6:30:47 PM) spies8stephanie: and gertrude? i like her and wasn't suspicious particularly of her until last night
(6:31:11 PM) spies8mary: I have been suspicious of Gertrude all game.
(6:31:19 PM) spies8stephanie: when she insisted that she was voting zeke in spite of any evidence to the contrary
(6:31:27 PM) spies8mary: Did she insist that?
(6:31:44 PM) spies8stephanie: let me find it
(6:31:50 PM) spies8stephanie: one was in main chat
(6:31:51 PM) spies8mary: I know she feels Chance and Kiara are Citizens.
(6:31:58 PM) spies8stephanie: and then later in the senate chat
(6:33:37 PM) spies8stephanie: (11:10:03 PM) spies8gertrude: I'm probably going to vote for Zedekiah at this point.
(11:10:08 PM) spies8gertrude: I think he's a Spy.
(11:10:10 PM) spies8stephanie: ugh
(11:10:27 PM) spies8gertrude: I love you, but that's my gut and observational feelings.
(11:10:37 PM) spies8gertrude: You'll thank me later.

(6:34:08 PM) spies8mary: That's out of the blue.
(6:34:24 PM) spies8mary: I'm not sure I've ever seen her say Zed was a Spy before.
(6:34:39 PM) spies8stephanie: we had been talking in main chat, earlier, let me look for that
(6:36:05 PM) spies8stephanie: (9:46:08 PM) spies8stephanie: and why do you think zeke is a spy?
(9:46:49 PM) spies8stephanie: do you think alexei targetting him during the first chat as a spy v. spy fight tactic?
(9:47:02 PM) spies8gertrude: Not necessarily.
(9:47:33 PM) spies8stephanie: i can't imagine what else it could be
(9:48:11 PM) spies8gertrude: I just don't like that he completely disappears from view when he's not under suspicion, then suddenly pops up when his name is mentioned. If he's not a Spy (and I'd be surprised if he wasn't), then he's not useful to the town anyways if he's only here for self-preservation.
(9:49:30 PM) spies8stephanie: oh dear, if i were going to vote useless ass citizens out, i wouldn't start with zeke
(9:49:46 PM) spies8gertrude: Nope. You misread that.
(9:49:58 PM) spies8gertrude: I suspect him of being a Spy first and foremost.

(6:36:37 PM) spies8mary: That sounds like Jenny's exact argument.
(6:36:48 PM) spies8mary: For finding Zed her #1 suspect.
(6:37:46 PM) spies8stephanie: (9:49:58 PM) spies8claude: So Stephanie, you think Zed is a citizen then?
(9:50:01 PM) spies8stephanie: at least zeke had a good vote for mags
(9:50:09 PM) spies8gertrude: But if he happens to be a Citizen, it's not a big lose.
(9:50:11 PM) spies8gertrude: loss*
(9:50:27 PM) spies8jenny: I'm pretty sure she said she think's Zeddy is a spy.
(9:50:33 PM) spies8stephanie: i'm certainly leaning that way, claude
(9:51:23 PM) spies8stephanie: i don't think it likely that alexei went after zeke during the first minutes of the first chat as spy v. spy

(6:37:58 PM) spies8stephanie: oddly enough jenny piped in here
(6:38:11 PM) spies8stephanie: trying to say that i was suspicious of zeke?
(6:38:49 PM) spies8mary: Yes.
(6:38:52 PM) spies8mary: Weird.
(6:39:08 PM) spies8mary: I would vote Jenny in a heartbeat right now.
(6:39:29 PM) spies8stephanie: cory and owen were also asking gert if she had seen the isaac/zeke chat
(6:39:48 PM) spies8stephanie: and she said she had the summary, but that didn't sway here
(6:39:49 PM) spies8stephanie: her
(6:39:58 PM) spies8mary: Not the Isaac/Chance chat?
(6:40:59 PM) spies8stephanie: (11:16:06 PM) spies8cory: spies8owen: Did you see the Zed/Isaac convo?
(11:16:13 PM) spies8owen: So if he's connected to anyone, it's most likely Kiara.
(11:16:19 PM) spies8gertrude: I heard the summary.

(6:42:03 PM) spies8stephanie: (10:26:05 PM) spies8owen: Zeddy has done little to nothing since making a post at the end of episode 1. His wagon miraculously disappeared, as well.
(10:26:18 PM) spies8owen: Similar to Mags.
(10:26:29 PM) spies8owen: But then there's the chat he sent you with Isaac.
(10:26:39 PM) spies8cory: Yeah
(10:26:41 PM) spies8owen: And... Idk, it doesn't seem faked to me.
(10:26:55 PM) spies8cory: He definitely didn't write it up himself
(10:27:05 PM) spies8cory: So the chat definitely happened
(10:27:11 PM) spies8cory: It's a matter of whether it was staged or not
(10:27:11 PM) spies8owen: Yeah, that's definitely Isaac-speak.
(10:27:34 PM) spies8cory: It took him like 90 seconds to send it to me. No way he wrote all that up in 90 seconds

(6:42:49 PM) spies8stephanie: are owen and cory just making these chats up as evidence as needed?
(6:44:02 PM) spies8mary: That one in particular, they're banking on it not being faked.
(6:44:19 PM) spies8stephanie: i haven't seen it
(6:44:40 PM) spies8stephanie: and the first i heard of the isaac/zeke chat was just now from you
(6:44:47 PM) spies8mary: I think it's a terrible reason to clear someone. I think Zed looks ok for his general approach towards spyhunting in his limited time here.
(6:44:59 PM) spies8stephanie: issac/chance*
(6:45:08 PM) spies8mary: And to an extent for the way episode 1 played out.
(6:45:22 PM) spies8mary: I liked his Grand ol Parlay.
(6:45:41 PM) spies8mary: Even though he was wrong on Savannah and Themba.
(6:46:15 PM) spies8stephanie: yeah, well a lot of people were wrong on those 2
(6:46:21 PM) spies8mary: Yes.
(6:46:53 PM) spies8mary: If he was a Spy, wouldn't he have voted Alexei?
(6:46:59 PM) spies8mary: Was he around just before Exile?
(6:47:39 PM) spies8stephanie: idk for sure, cause i was not around
(6:47:50 PM) spies8stephanie: but zeke was around at some point
(6:48:02 PM) spies8stephanie: when he made the infamous HQ remark
(6:48:26 PM) spies8mary: I can't wait for this Senate thing to be over.
(6:48:36 PM) spies8stephanie: me too!!
(6:48:56 PM) spies8mary: I like watching sneaky people move their votes around before exile.
(6:48:59 PM) spies8stephanie: when i started looking for busser on alexei, everyone told me that was stupid
(6:49:02 PM) spies8mary: It's a good way to spot spies.
(6:49:20 PM) spies8stephanie: chance has been hilarious
(6:50:06 PM) spies8stephanie: last time when i voted him, he im'd me and asked if didn't his vote for rondak count for somethin
(6:50:33 PM) spies8stephanie: and i started looking and couldn't find it, and asked if it was under the fog
(6:50:46 PM) spies8mary: He has been so, so scummy all game.
(6:50:51 PM) spies8stephanie: and he said no, he had posted it in the nominations thread
(6:51:08 PM) spies8stephanie: he did the same exact thing yesterday
(6:51:21 PM) spies8stephanie: and i didn't even bother looking
(6:51:55 PM) spies8stephanie: this time and just told him that it doesn't matter wtf you say you're going to vote, it only matters what you do vote
(6:53:07 PM) spies8mary: What time are votes due?
(6:53:27 PM) spies8stephanie: 10:00 i assume
(6:53:32 PM) spies8stephanie: in 3 hours
(7:39:18 PM) spies8stephanie: interesting question...idk what jenny's reasons are?
(7:39:21 PM) spies8stephanie: lurking?
(7:39:38 PM) spies8mary: Yes.
(7:39:47 PM) spies8mary: That plus his behavior episode 1.
(7:45:26 PM) spies8stephanie: i wish owen and/or cory would get here
(7:48:00 PM) spies8mary: Why?
(7:52:39 PM) spies8stephanie: i want to ask them about the isaac/chance convo
(9:11:56 PM) spies8mary: Did you talk with Cory?
(9:12:10 PM) spies8mary: I have suggested that he give you as much information as possible.
(9:12:11 PM) spies8stephanie: quizzing him now
(9:12:22 PM) spies8mary: What do you think about what he's saying?
(9:13:24 PM) spies8stephanie: well, he's saying that it wasn't a isaac/chance chat, but rather that when he asked chance about his conversations with isaac that chance was able to recall them right away
(9:15:58 PM) spies8stephanie: he asked me same question about my convo's with isaac
(9:16:16 PM) spies8stephanie: and so i thought maybe chance alerted, but cory says chance one of the first
(9:16:47 PM) spies8mary: So what's your take?
(9:16:58 PM) spies8stephanie: idk
(9:17:18 PM) spies8stephanie: oooohhh i see owen!
(9:23:43 PM) spies8stephanie: it's very odd
(9:23:53 PM) spies8stephanie: this whole thing is just very odd
(9:24:19 PM) spies8mary: Lawrence?
(9:24:26 PM) spies8mary: Or Chance?
(9:24:26 PM) spies8stephanie: no cory/owen/chance
(9:24:33 PM) spies8mary: I agree.
(9:24:36 PM) spies8stephanie: not paying attn in chat
(9:25:12 PM) spies8stephanie: when i asked both of them why they didn't tell me about this pro-chance evidence
(9:25:21 PM) spies8stephanie: they both said they thought i already knew
(9:25:35 PM) spies8stephanie: but how the f would i know?
(9:25:37 PM) spies8mary: That's a lie, I imagine.
(9:25:51 PM) spies8mary: They made me so mad the other night with this nonsense.
(9:25:59 PM) spies8mary: They are totally wasting people's time.
(9:26:31 PM) spies8stephanie: hells bells my world is turning upside down
(9:26:43 PM) spies8stephanie: minutes before exile
(9:27:29 PM) spies8mary: This is exactly what happened to me last episode.
(9:30:43 PM) spies8stephanie: and gert pops up and asks if i am still voting chance, cause owen told her i might not be
(9:30:44 PM) spies8stephanie: ugh
(9:34:39 PM) spies8stephanie: yelling at owen now
(9:34:49 PM) spies8stephanie: this is really just pissing me off
(9:48:12 PM) spies8stephanie: something is wrong here
(9:48:26 PM) spies8stephanie: idk what or who, but i think something is def wrong here
(9:56:27 PM) spies8mary: I agree, something is very wrong.
(9:56:36 PM) spies8mary: Hopefully they will come clean after exile.
(9:57:42 PM) spies8stephanie: who are you voting?
(9:57:48 PM) spies8mary: Lawrence.
(9:57:51 PM) spies8stephanie: who is going to be exiled?
(9:57:51 PM) spies8mary: Want to join me?
(9:57:57 PM) spies8mary: Zed or Kiara.
(9:58:04 PM) spies8stephanie: not Zeke!
(9:58:13 PM) spies8stephanie: <3 zeke
(9:58:33 PM) spies8stephanie: i am going after all zeke voters full bore
(10:02:00 PM) spies8stephanie: oh crap it's time already!
(10:02:13 PM) spies8mary: Did you switch to Lawrence?
(10:02:18 PM) spies8stephanie: no
(10:02:32 PM) spies8stephanie: would it have done any good?
(10:02:42 PM) spies8stephanie: i'll be so p;issed if it would
(10:02:49 PM) spies8mary: They told you about Kiara, yes?
(10:03:11 PM) spies8stephanie: the claim, owen was just telling me at 9:59
(10:03:23 PM) spies8stephanie: nobody bothered to tell me earlier
(10:03:46 PM) spies8mary: I told them these roleclaims should be made publicly.
(10:03:55 PM) spies8mary: They screw up people's reads.
(10:06:00 PM) spies8stephanie: i am just so pissed off by all of this
(10:06:16 PM) spies8mary: You are correct to be pissed.
(10:28:27 PM) spies8stephanie: and i am, royally
(10:29:58 PM) spies8stephanie: but it wouldn't have made any diff if i had swiched to larry
(10:30:01 PM) spies8stephanie: right?
(10:30:23 PM) spies8mary: I think it was 3-2-1-1
(10:30:52 PM) spies8stephanie: let me just go over it cause i was fuming at time
(10:31:21 PM) spies8stephanie: 3 for zeke: owen, cory, gert
(10:31:29 PM) spies8stephanie: 2 for chance: claude and me
(10:31:36 PM) spies8stephanie: 1 for larry: you
(10:31:43 PM) spies8stephanie: 1 for kiara: cinn
(10:31:51 PM) spies8stephanie: ok that's it thanks
(10:31:59 PM) spies8mary: Yes.
(10:32:08 PM) spies8mary: I have the group chat recorded.
(10:32:33 PM) spies8stephanie: sorry, i do too, just helps me to type it out
(10:32:42 PM) spies8stephanie: then i remember it better
(10:32:47 PM) spies8mary: I mean the private group chat.
(10:32:59 PM) spies8mary: Where they decided to switch to Zed.
(10:33:06 PM) spies8stephanie: ohhh
(10:33:16 PM) spies8stephanie: that would be interesting to see...
(10:42:52 PM) spies8stephanie: cory claims to have an explanation coming later, but i can't imagine an explanation for this travesty
(11:30:02 PM) spies8stephanie: mary?
(11:31:41 PM) spies8mary: Yes?
(11:31:56 PM) spies8stephanie: do you really believe that cory is doc?
(11:32:04 PM) spies8mary: Yes.
(11:32:09 PM) spies8stephanie: why?
(11:32:26 PM) spies8mary: The alternative is that a lot of people are lying.
(11:32:30 PM) spies8mary: I think.
(11:32:50 PM) spies8stephanie: who is lying?
(11:33:12 PM) spies8stephanie: i just don't believe him and think he has fooled a lot of people
(11:33:34 PM) spies8mary: We should talk all the way through it with them.
(11:35:29 PM) spies8stephanie: well that didn't work so good
(11:35:38 PM) spies8mary: Let's try again.
(11:42:13 PM) spies8stephanie: ugh
(11:43:31 PM) spies8stephanie: do you have chat log from when they switched from kiara to zeke?
(11:43:55 PM) spies8stephanie: something stinks here
(11:44:23 PM) spies8mary: I'm going to quit out and you can invite me.
(11:44:36 PM) spies8stephanie: ok
(11:50:54 PM) spies8mary: Can you please invite me?
(12:19:21 AM) spies8stephanie: none of this makes any sense to me whatsoever
(12:20:14 AM) spies8mary: I actually have it worse in another chat right now. If you can believe that.
(12:21:18 AM) spies8mary: People are insisting on keeping secrets that are wrecking the game and making it unfun.
(12:21:18 AM) spies8stephanie: sorry
(12:21:55 AM) spies8stephanie: i don't understand the secrets stuff at all...only spies keep secrets
(12:23:48 AM) spies8mary: People like power.
(12:23:54 AM) spies8mary: On both sides, I think.
(12:24:00 AM) spies8mary: And it messes with their heads.
(12:24:32 AM) spies8mary: If Owen and Cory really are Citizens, they got drunk with Dictator + Doctor power.
(12:25:40 AM) spies8stephanie: i was totally trusting owen after the isaac exile
(12:25:48 AM) spies8mary: That was premature.
(12:25:56 AM) spies8mary: What would a Spy do in his situation?
(12:26:23 AM) spies8mary: I think he's more likely a Citizen, but you need to keep an open mind.
(12:26:33 AM) spies8stephanie: but owen voted isaac the round before also
(12:28:04 AM) spies8mary: Owen generally seems Citizen.
(12:28:08 AM) spies8stephanie: open mind, i agree with, but just bumfuzzling to have someone you previously trusted to turn out to be either a spy or a spy-friend
(12:28:10 AM) spies8mary: He was 3rd on Alexei.
(12:28:33 AM) spies8mary: I have been telling Owen and Cory for a week to make these secrets public.
(12:28:46 AM) spies8mary: It is more likely that they are Citizens with poor judgment
(12:28:51 AM) spies8mary: Than that they are both Spies.
(12:29:37 AM) spies8stephanie: but i think one of them has to be a spy, and i am leaning towards cory
(12:33:03 AM) spies8stephanie: the whole isaac/chance thing came from cory?
(12:33:21 AM) spies8stephanie: and there is no confirmation on any of it?
(12:34:32 AM) spies8mary: None.

[Stephanie]

Conversation with spies8cory at 7/21/2010 9:02:36 PM on spies8stephanie (aim)
(9:03:00 PM) spies8stephanie: hi cory
(9:03:48 PM) spies8cory: Hi Crazy Steph
(9:04:13 PM) spies8stephanie: so mary was telling me about some chance/isaac chat?
(9:04:38 PM) spies8cory: Chance/Isaac chat?
(9:04:44 PM) spies8cory: Maybe she meant Zed/Isaac
(9:04:55 PM) spies8stephanie: that's what i thought
(9:05:05 PM) spies8stephanie: but i asked her again
(9:05:11 PM) spies8stephanie: she said that last episode
(9:05:25 PM) spies8stephanie: she laid out the whole chance is a spy case
(9:05:30 PM) spies8stephanie: for you
(9:05:34 PM) spies8cory: Oh
(9:05:43 PM) spies8stephanie: and both you and owen ignored the case
(9:05:49 PM) spies8cory: I asked Chance to summarize his private chats with Isaac and he was able to do so without hesitation
(9:05:52 PM) spies8cory: And it made me reconsider him
(9:05:52 PM) spies8stephanie: because of some isaac/chance chat?
(9:06:00 PM) spies8cory: He summarized two full chats.
(9:06:16 PM) spies8cory: I asked Mary to ask him the same question
(9:06:24 PM) spies8cory: Before hand I showed her what Chance said to me so she could compare.
(9:07:45 PM) spies8stephanie: and how did they compare?
(9:08:48 PM) spies8cory: I never got to talk to her about it. But she has been less suspicious of him lately so I can only imagine they matched up
(9:09:46 PM) spies8stephanie: when i talked to her earlier, she wasn't less suspicious of him, just resigned that no one would ever vote for him and thinking she needed to vote elsewhere
(9:10:11 PM) spies8stephanie: did you ask me the same question?
(9:10:23 PM) spies8stephanie: i think i remember someone asking me?
(9:10:38 PM) spies8stephanie: about converstations with isaac?
(9:13:24 PM) spies8cory: Yep
(9:13:28 PM) spies8cory: I asked you similar
(9:13:31 PM) spies8cory: I've asked many similar
(9:13:38 PM) spies8cory: And so, people who hesitate to respond, I find suspicious
(9:13:39 PM) spies8cory: Such as Kiara.
(9:13:42 PM) spies8cory: Who "forgot" her chats
(9:13:59 PM) spies8cory: Zed on the other hand PM'd me a 15 response chat with Isaac(I didn't ask him to)
(9:13:59 PM) spies8stephanie: and so couldn't chance have been alerted to this and been ready for it?
(9:14:02 PM) spies8cory: And it's had me reconsider him
(9:14:10 PM) spies8stephanie: where was chance in this chain of questions
(9:14:12 PM) spies8cory: It's possible but he was one of the first I'd asked
(9:14:50 PM) spies8stephanie: zeke is a cit
(9:14:53 PM) spies8stephanie: get over that
(9:15:08 PM) spies8stephanie: i am worried tho that chance is cit
(9:15:28 PM) spies8stephanie: why didn't you tell me this last night when i said i was voting chance?
(9:17:48 PM) spies8cory: Figured I'd mentioned it. Sorry
(9:17:58 PM) spies8cory: I've raised it a bunch of times to many people, I forget who I've told
(9:18:22 PM) spies8stephanie: larry is here??
(9:18:37 PM) spies8cory: Wowowowow
(9:51:38 PM) spies8stephanie: so i think something is wrong here
(9:51:47 PM) spies8stephanie: idk what
(9:51:52 PM) spies8cory: Hm?
(9:52:29 PM) spies8stephanie: did you and owen really shoot down mary when she laid out the case on chance last episode?
(9:53:28 PM) spies8stephanie: there is a disconnect here for me somewhere
(9:53:40 PM) spies8stephanie: and i'm not sure if it's you or mary or owen
(9:53:53 PM) spies8cory: We were playing devil's advocate at her request
(9:54:39 PM) spies8stephanie: you were suspicious of chance at one time weren''t you?
(9:56:18 PM) spies8cory: For a long time, actually
(9:56:44 PM) spies8stephanie: and what changed your mind?
(9:56:58 PM) spies8stephanie: just this one talk with chance about isaac?
(9:57:03 PM) spies8stephanie: or was there more?
(10:03:21 PM) spies8cory: Sorry Steph
(10:03:25 PM) spies8cory: I got distracted
(10:03:27 PM) spies8cory: You'll see why in a sec
(10:03:40 PM) spies8stephanie: k
(10:28:12 PM) spies8stephanie: huh?
(10:28:19 PM) spies8cory: Yes we switche
(10:28:33 PM) spies8cory: I'll tell you why after this bribe thing is over.
(10:28:59 PM) spies8cory: I'd like to talk to you in group chat with Owen once this is all over to clear some things up.
(10:29:30 PM) spies8stephanie: some things def need to be cleared up, cause this exile was total BS
(10:30:47 PM) spies8cory: Yes
(10:30:49 PM) spies8cory: It was
(10:30:54 PM) spies8cory: You'll understand
(10:31:03 PM) spies8cory: Look i'll tell you now, part of it
(10:31:11 PM) spies8cory: Kiara claimed a role to me 20 minutes before votes were due
(10:31:27 PM) spies8cory: I had to spend the last 20 minutes scrambling to decide whether to keep my vote on her or to move it
(10:36:50 PM) spies8stephanie: total bs
(10:37:03 PM) spies8stephanie: there is no way that zeke was spy
(10:37:17 PM) spies8stephanie: i explained that to gertrude last nigh
(10:37:37 PM) spies8stephanie: and then you guys were talking about the zeke/isaac chat
(10:37:50 PM) spies8stephanie: this is just total bs on someone's part
(10:38:04 PM) spies8cory: We'll explain once this is over. Lol. Hang on
(11:03:32 PM) spies8cory: Ready?
(11:03:57 PM) spies8stephanie: well past ready
(11:04:35 PM) spies8stephanie: oops sorry can you invite agian i hit the wrong button
(1:15:56 AM) spies8cory: <3
(1:16:21 AM) spies8stephanie: ok, so has owen filled you in on why you are number 1 on my spy list now?
(1:16:33 AM) spies8cory: Nope
(1:16:47 AM) spies8cory: Steph, let's make a deal
(1:16:53 AM) spies8cory: If I wind up imprisoned
(1:16:53 AM) spies8stephanie: a deal?
(1:17:03 AM) spies8cory: You have to write me a big long I'm sorry post in the farewell thread
(1:17:04 AM) spies8cory: Deal?
(1:17:10 AM) spies8stephanie: deal!
(1:17:15 AM) spies8cory: Wooo!
(1:17:24 AM) spies8cory: Ok so what's your reasons?!
(1:17:47 AM) spies8stephanie: that was easy, since i have no reason now to believe that you will ever be imprisoned
(1:18:06 AM) spies8cory: Hehe
(1:18:08 AM) spies8stephanie: why the fuck did you vote for zeke?
(1:18:15 AM) spies8cory: Look, like I said
(1:18:21 AM) spies8stephanie: zeke was obvious cit
(1:18:26 AM) spies8cory: The only defense for Zek that I had was his chat with Isaac
(1:18:32 AM) spies8cory: It definitely was not written by Zek
(1:18:39 AM) spies8cory: But it could have been staged. I simply thought it wasn't
(1:18:50 AM) spies8cory: When Kiara claimed it threw me through a hoop
(1:18:55 AM) spies8stephanie: and his interaction with alexei
(1:18:57 AM) spies8cory: Owen and I panicked and decided to switch
(1:19:33 AM) spies8stephanie: and why to zeke?
(1:19:53 AM) spies8cory: He was next on the list
(1:20:01 AM) spies8stephanie: ugh
(1:20:25 AM) spies8stephanie: and did you consider that kiara was just lying to you?
(1:20:27 AM) spies8cory: This entire vote period(after noms) it has been between Zed and Kiara for me
(1:20:30 AM) spies8cory: I did
(1:20:37 AM) spies8cory: But I didn't think she was
(1:20:42 AM) spies8cory: I still think it's possible she is
(1:21:13 AM) spies8stephanie: ugh
(1:21:29 AM) spies8stephanie: i think it is clear that she was lying
(1:21:46 AM) spies8stephanie: how could she have 6 investigations already?
(1:21:54 AM) spies8cory: We already went over this
(1:22:03 AM) spies8stephanie: this was only episode 6
(1:22:10 AM) spies8cory: 5 exiles + extra for Themba's alignment guess
(1:22:18 AM) spies8stephanie: and no one died until the end of episode 1
(1:23:22 AM) spies8stephanie: kiara voted for themba more than once!
(1:23:33 AM) spies8stephanie: and yet she guessed she was a cit
(1:23:46 AM) spies8stephanie: that makes no sense at all
(1:24:13 AM) spies8stephanie: kiara is obviously a lying spy in my book
(1:24:32 AM) spies8stephanie: and i am still up in the air about you and owen
(1:24:40 AM) spies8stephanie: but kiara is done
(1:24:48 AM) spies8cory: Woops, she said she guessed right on Savannah, not Themba
(1:25:37 AM) spies8stephanie: mmmk
(1:26:41 AM) spies8cory: spies8kiara: i guess the savannah was a cit correctly, i incorrectly guessed themba was a spy, round 4 i incorrectly blanket guessed that a citizen would be exiled as a result of the spy ability being used, and round 5 i correctly blanket guessed that a spy would be exiled because i really wanted to check lilith and if a cit was exiled and i was wrong i figure they would have had a chance to claim where as a spy wouldnt (at least not honestly)
(1:27:39 AM) spies8cory: You also have to understand
(1:27:44 AM) spies8cory: We had twenty minutes to consider this
(1:28:19 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah, and i might have switched off kiara also, but why to zeke?
(1:29:36 AM) spies8cory: Ugh
(1:29:37 AM) spies8cory: ok
(1:29:40 AM) spies8cory: If I tell you sometihng
(1:29:56 AM) spies8cory: Actually nevermind
(1:29:57 AM) spies8cory: Lol.
(1:30:01 AM) spies8cory: I can't say, okay?
(1:30:05 AM) spies8cory: There's more information floating around
(1:30:26 AM) spies8cory: Me being the doctor obviously has led a few roles/abilities to claim to me & owen
(1:30:33 AM) spies8cory: And this information has guided our votes
(1:31:24 AM) spies8cory: Quite frankly when Kiara claimed to me
(1:31:27 AM) spies8stephanie: so what does that mean? that you knew all of this before the 20 minutes you say you did?
(1:31:28 AM) spies8cory: I spent a good 15 minutes just being like
(1:31:32 AM) spies8cory: "I don't know which to vote for"
(1:31:38 AM) spies8cory: No
(1:31:44 AM) spies8cory: The Kiara thing was last minute like I said
(1:31:57 AM) spies8cory: What I'm saying is that there is a reason Chance is lower on my list
(1:31:59 AM) spies8cory: And I cannot say why
(1:32:13 AM) spies8cory: I mean I can, but I should not
(1:32:56 AM) spies8stephanie: ok, but i can't believe that you and chance are both cit's
(1:33:29 AM) spies8stephanie: this is just wrong
(1:33:43 AM) spies8cory: Lol
(1:33:46 AM) spies8cory: <3
(1:33:56 AM) spies8cory: The fact you are so against me right now makes me all the more certain you're not a Spy
(1:34:23 AM) spies8stephanie: dont' try to <3 me, you lying piece of scum
(1:34:28 AM) spies8cory: Lol!
(1:34:34 AM) spies8cory: I am not a spy
(1:34:51 AM) spies8stephanie: and you are not the doc
(1:35:04 AM) spies8cory: Didn't you just say you thought our switch from Kiara wasn't unreasonable?
(1:35:08 AM) spies8cory: So then what is left?
(1:35:12 AM) spies8stephanie: therefore, i have to conclude that you are in fact spy
(1:35:27 AM) spies8stephanie: larry?
(1:35:47 AM) spies8cory: Larry has interactions with Isaac
(1:35:59 AM) spies8cory: Isaac switched over to the republicans and cried like a girl about the Democrats being picked on
(1:36:03 AM) spies8stephanie: and i was being generous in saying that it wasn't' unreasonalbe
(1:36:09 AM) spies8cory: But Lawrence spent a decent portion of the episode attacking Isaac
(1:36:30 AM) spies8stephanie: any sane person would have disbelieved kiara in a nanosecond
(1:36:40 AM) spies8stephanie: any sane cit person*
(1:37:22 AM) spies8stephanie: oh good grief larry attacked anything that walked, that's why i suspected him
(1:37:57 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah he attacked isaac and told me he was gong to post a case, but did he ever post it?

[Stephanie]

Conversation with spies8claude at 7/21/2010 5:00:48 PM on spies8stephanie (aim)
(5:00:57 PM) spies8stephanie: hi claude
(5:01:05 PM) spies8claude: hi Stephanie.
(5:01:17 PM) spies8stephanie: who is getting exiled tonight?
(5:01:25 PM) spies8claude: IDK.
(5:01:29 PM) spies8claude: Apparently not Chance.
(5:01:31 PM) spies8claude: again
(5:01:37 PM) spies8stephanie: ack
(5:01:41 PM) spies8stephanie: who is mary voting?
(5:02:07 PM) spies8claude: IDK
(5:02:41 PM) spies8stephanie: cory and cinn are voting kiara last i heard
(5:02:44 PM) spies8claude: yeah
(5:02:52 PM) spies8claude: Owen is leaning that way also.
(5:02:54 PM) spies8stephanie: i think owen was leaning that way
(5:03:09 PM) spies8stephanie: gert was voting zeke
(5:03:23 PM) spies8stephanie: who am i forgetting
(5:03:40 PM) spies8claude: No one I don't think
(5:03:55 PM) spies8claude: It's just going to end up with Kiara getting lynched, most likely.
(5:04:04 PM) spies8stephanie: 2 for chance, 2 for kiara, 1 for zeke, and owen and mary
(5:04:06 PM) spies8stephanie: ok
(5:04:19 PM) spies8claude: I'm virtually certain that Mary and Owen are voting Kiara.
(5:04:47 PM) spies8stephanie: and wtf is this big thing kiara is going to say as soon as someone comes online?
(5:05:42 PM) spies8claude: shrug
(5:09:08 PM) spies8stephanie: what do you think about zeke?
(5:09:41 PM) spies8claude: I thought he might be a Spy, but Cory showed me parts of some conversation Zeke/Isaac had and it really didn't seem fabricated.
(5:10:26 PM) spies8stephanie: yeah and i can't get over the fact that isaac attacked him
(5:10:29 PM) spies8stephanie: so quickly
(5:10:37 PM) spies8stephanie: not isaac* alex*
(5:10:37 PM) spies8claude: Hmmm?
(5:10:40 PM) spies8claude: Oh
(5:10:45 PM) spies8claude: I dunno what to make about that part.
(5:10:48 PM) spies8claude: The Spies clearly love WIFOM
(5:10:59 PM) spies8claude: So that(or Alexei v. Dane) could have been forced.
(5:36:04 PM) spies8stephanie: did you get the same re-do of activity 5 that i did?
(5:36:14 PM) spies8claude: Yeah.
(5:36:16 PM) spies8claude: I probbialy won't do it.
(5:36:27 PM) spies8claude: I don't really care about getting an auto-nomination.
(5:37:02 PM) spies8stephanie: i started on it, and responded in my critiques, but then got stuck
(5:37:14 PM) spies8stephanie: bitched about it in my confessional
(5:52:50 PM) spies8stephanie: had to reply to dane again in your thread
(5:53:00 PM) spies8claude: I wish he would die, honestly.
(5:53:03 PM) spies8stephanie: i just keep rising to the bait
(5:53:13 PM) spies8claude: I think he might be a Spy, but am not particularly conviced
(5:53:16 PM) spies8claude: But I really just dislike him
(5:53:45 PM) spies8stephanie: i don't even dislike him
(5:53:55 PM) spies8stephanie: more like i dislike his play
(5:54:01 PM) spies8claude: Yeah
(5:54:03 PM) spies8claude: that's the same for me.
(5:54:26 PM) spies8stephanie: plus its sort of fun to keep poking at him and calling him a useless ass
(5:54:50 PM) spies8claude: lol
(5:55:14 PM) spies8stephanie: and wtf are all these quotes in the chat room?
(5:55:29 PM) spies8stephanie: is there a point to them?
(5:58:49 PM) spies8claude: Just Mary and Dane talking.
(7:06:53 PM) spies8stephanie: don't pick on zeke
(7:06:59 PM) spies8stephanie: at least not yet!
(7:07:14 PM) spies8stephanie: he's a shy boy
(7:09:31 PM) spies8stephanie: you guys were really just a rat's nest of c players all accusing each other
(7:09:39 PM) spies8stephanie: or so it seemed from afar
(7:17:49 PM) spies8stephanie: are you here?
(7:18:19 PM) spies8claude: ?
(7:18:48 PM) spies8stephanie: i really was trying to baby zeke along
(7:18:53 PM) spies8claude: heh
(7:18:55 PM) spies8claude: Why
(7:19:06 PM) spies8stephanie: and seeing if he would say a little more
(7:19:36 PM) spies8stephanie: idk, i feel sorry for him
(7:19:45 PM) spies8claude: Such a nice girl.
(7:20:08 PM) spies8stephanie: i felt sorry for him the first night when alexei was beating him up
(7:42:26 PM) spies8stephanie: oh dear, here's brod
(7:42:38 PM) spies8stephanie: i guess the gentle questioning of zeke is over
(9:38:28 PM) spies8stephanie: claude?
(9:38:33 PM) spies8claude: ?
(9:38:54 PM) spies8stephanie: did you know that cory talked to chance about isaac?
(9:38:59 PM) spies8claude: yeah
(9:39:03 PM) spies8claude: But I didn't find it relevant
(9:39:10 PM) spies8stephanie: ugh
(9:39:37 PM) spies8stephanie: why didn't anyone tell me about this
(9:39:43 PM) spies8stephanie: i find it very relevant
(9:39:52 PM) spies8claude: I honestly didn't think about it, because it didn't mean anything to me.
(9:39:53 PM) spies8claude: Sorry.
(9:40:07 PM) spies8stephanie: either cory is in league with chance
(9:40:16 PM) spies8stephanie: or chance is a cit
(9:40:24 PM) spies8stephanie: either way its relevant
(9:40:47 PM) spies8claude: I really don't see what you're getting out of that converastion that is such a big deal
(9:40:48 PM) spies8stephanie: mary says that's why her suspicions of chance came to a halt
(9:40:56 PM) spies8stephanie: cause she was shot down by cory
(9:40:56 PM) spies8claude: And it's not like Spies don't have fake conversations anyway
(10:08:54 PM) spies8stephanie: more fun for everyone?
(10:09:00 PM) spies8claude: w/e
(10:09:07 PM) spies8stephanie: and then why did we have to do critiques?
(10:09:31 PM) spies8stephanie: didn't that just promote nastiness?
(10:11:07 PM) spies8claude: Of course.
(10:11:10 PM) spies8claude: Who needs consistency.
(10:38:31 PM) spies8stephanie: do you know wtf just happened here?
(10:38:36 PM) spies8claude: no idea
(10:39:02 PM) spies8stephanie: i'm just so pissed off, i'd kiss dane
(10:39:14 PM) spies8claude: haha
(10:40:23 PM) spies8stephanie: and might be tempted by these damn bribes -- cause then for sure i wouldn't have to do any critiques
(10:40:33 PM) spies8stephanie: but won't be
(10:40:53 PM) spies8stephanie: cause i want to punish the instigators of this travesty
(10:41:03 PM) spies8claude: haha
(10:41:35 PM) spies8stephanie: cory claims to have an explanation coming later, but i don't think there is any explanation good enough for this
(10:41:50 PM) spies8claude: there is
(10:41:51 PM) spies8claude: blah
(10:42:00 PM) spies8stephanie: there is??
(11:30:34 PM) spies8stephanie: and do you believe any of this load of horse pucky?
(11:30:48 PM) spies8claude: I believed that Cory was town anyway.
(11:30:50 PM) spies8claude: So..shrug.
(11:31:02 PM) spies8stephanie: shrug?
(11:31:20 PM) spies8claude: I believe it, ultimately.
(11:31:25 PM) spies8stephanie: i'm really having a hard time coming to grips with it
(11:31:41 PM) spies8stephanie: it is a load of horse pucky
(12:19:29 AM) spies8claude: Why do you think Cory is lying?
(1:38:15 AM) spies8claude: Why do you think Cory isn't the Doc?
(1:38:37 AM) spies8stephanie: cause he's a lying spy
(1:38:43 AM) spies8claude: Based on...
(1:38:53 AM) spies8stephanie: his vote for zeke
(1:39:00 AM) spies8claude: Today?
(1:39:07 AM) spies8stephanie: yep
(1:39:19 AM) spies8stephanie: his convincing owen to vote for zeke today
(1:39:45 AM) spies8stephanie: his being on chance and then backing off
(1:40:10 AM) spies8stephanie: his belief that kiara's claim was real
(1:40:22 AM) spies8claude: Kiara told us her claim
(1:40:23 AM) spies8claude: shrug
(1:40:46 AM) spies8stephanie: there is no way that claim was real
(1:40:56 AM) spies8claude: What makes you say that
(1:40:58 AM) spies8stephanie: she's had 6 investigations
(1:41:07 AM) spies8stephanie: and we were on episode 6
(1:41:11 AM) spies8claude: You think she had the foresight to include the part about getting extra guesses if she's right on someone's ailgnment at exile?
(1:41:17 AM) spies8claude: And to include that she has a 'neither' guess?
(1:41:23 AM) spies8stephanie: and the first death didn't occur until the end of episode 1
(1:41:34 AM) spies8claude: Do you know the whole role?
(1:41:47 AM) spies8stephanie: obviously not
(1:42:02 AM) spies8claude: She can guess a person's exile when they're going to get exiled
(1:42:04 AM) spies8stephanie: no one of the spies bothered to explain it to me
(1:42:18 AM) spies8claude: If she guesses correctly, she gets an extra use of her ability for that day.
(1:42:46 AM) spies8stephanie: but she has to guess both the exile and the alignment?
(1:42:55 AM) spies8claude: just the alignment
(1:42:57 AM) spies8claude: of the person getting exiled.
(1:43:11 AM) spies8stephanie: how does she know who is getting exiled?
(1:43:19 AM) spies8claude: Because sam tells us?
(1:44:12 AM) spies8stephanie: so she guesses between the vote and the reveal?
(1:44:20 AM) spies8claude: that's what she says.
(1:44:28 AM) spies8stephanie: argh
(1:45:10 AM) spies8claude: ?
(1:46:01 AM) spies8stephanie: i haven't spoken to kiara about all this yet, but it looks like i need to
(1:46:08 AM) spies8claude: Agreed.
(1:46:13 AM) spies8stephanie: you guys just took her at her word
(1:46:31 AM) spies8stephanie: and thought everyting she said made sense
(1:46:45 AM) spies8stephanie: when none of it did
(1:46:53 AM) spies8claude: Well, if she is telling the truth about the guessing part, obviously it's not a Spy ability.
(1:49:25 AM) spies8stephanie: yea but what if she's not telling the truth about any of it
(1:49:51 AM) spies8claude: Does that seem like something it would occur to a peson to make up?
(1:49:52 AM) spies8claude: person
(1:51:04 AM) spies8stephanie: yes
(1:55:49 AM) spies8stephanie: tell me how kiara revealed all of his?
(1:57:56 AM) spies8claude: She told it all to Cory.
(1:58:18 AM) spies8stephanie: and was anyone else there to verify
(1:58:30 AM) spies8claude: He told it to some of us other Senatoers.
(1:58:50 AM) spies8stephanie: or was once again cory the sole possessor of this info?
(1:59:00 AM) spies8claude: She told Owen also.

[Stephanie]

Fairly interesting chat with Mary this morning:
(10:23:03 AM) spies8mary: Hi.
(10:23:15 AM) spies8stephanie: hi mary
(10:23:41 AM) spies8mary: I've been catching up on last night's Burg.
(10:23:57 AM) spies8mary: It looks like the vote is coming down to Jenny vs. Awohali.
(10:24:01 AM) spies8mary: Is that correct?
(10:24:15 AM) spies8stephanie: looks like it to me
(10:24:40 AM) spies8mary: I'd much rather see Jenny exiled.
(10:24:55 AM) spies8mary: I'm reading these cases on Awohali. A lot of it is weak evidence.
(10:25:12 AM) spies8mary: I do think his tone changes when attacked, which is unusual.
(10:25:28 AM) spies8stephanie: not that unusual
(10:25:47 AM) spies8mary: He gets less friendly and more condescending.
(10:26:15 AM) spies8stephanie: sort of like chance?
(10:26:22 AM) spies8mary: Yes.
(10:26:45 AM) spies8mary: Chance's case on Awohali is that he doesn't understand Awohali's votes on Chance.
(10:26:59 AM) spies8mary: Personally, I think Chance is one of the scummiest players in the game.
(10:27:19 AM) spies8stephanie: and i wish owen would get back
(10:27:39 AM) spies8mary: It would be nice to hear his opinion.
(10:27:50 AM) spies8stephanie: cory nearly told me something exile night about chance and then didn't
(10:27:54 AM) spies8mary: I heard him say before he left that he suspected Awohali.
(10:28:07 AM) spies8stephanie: they know something about chance that i am not privvy to
(10:28:13 AM) spies8mary: What did Cory almost tell you?
(10:28:25 AM) spies8stephanie: idk
(10:28:28 AM) spies8stephanie: let me find it
(10:29:55 AM) spies8stephanie: (1:29:40 AM) spies8cory: If I tell you sometihng
(1:29:56 AM) spies8cory: Actually nevermind
(1:29:57 AM) spies8cory: Lol.
(1:30:01 AM) spies8cory: I can't say, okay?

(10:30:06 AM) spies8mary: Lame.
(10:30:13 AM) spies8stephanie: (1:31:57 AM) spies8cory: What I'm saying is that there is a reason Chance is lower on my list
(1:31:59 AM) spies8cory: And I cannot say why
(10:30:23 AM) spies8mary: What's your thought on why?
(10:30:28 AM) spies8mary: Your best guess?
(10:30:47 AM) spies8stephanie: that chance made some kind of claim
(10:31:14 AM) spies8stephanie: maybe exile protector?
(10:31:41 AM) spies8mary: Have you noticed that Claude has not been wasting as much time attacking Chance?
(10:31:52 AM) spies8stephanie: yep
(10:31:59 AM) spies8mary: Same reason.
(10:32:22 AM) spies8mary: Who did you see in that private channel you were invited to?
(10:33:14 AM) spies8stephanie: exile night?, you were there
(10:33:20 AM) spies8mary: Basically, what happened last episode is this.
(10:33:38 AM) spies8mary: I told Chance, Owen, Cory and whoever else is secretly in this group
(10:33:49 AM) spies8mary: That Chance was wrecking the game with his scummy play.
(10:34:03 AM) spies8mary: And that he needed to come clean about why he plays scummy.
(10:34:16 AM) spies8mary: Because he's causing all sorts of people to suspect him.
(10:34:23 AM) spies8mary: Even though he's probably a Cit.
(10:34:37 AM) spies8mary: He almost made Claude quit the game, Claude was so frustrated.
(10:35:04 AM) spies8mary: So I begged them to explain Chance's situation to Claude and they finally did.
(10:35:18 AM) spies8mary: And I begged them to tell the entire Burg but they refuse to.
(10:35:56 AM) spies8stephanie: so chance has a "situation"?
(10:36:57 AM) spies8mary: I tell you that because 1) you're not the most likely to be a spy and 2) you already knew there was a situation.
(10:38:12 AM) spies8mary: I threatened Chance and told him if he did not make a good exile case this episode, I would explain his special situation to the Burg.
(10:38:39 AM) spies8stephanie: and he brought the awohali case
(10:38:48 AM) spies8mary: If you look at the vote counts for the past six episodes there are about 25 votes on Chance.
(10:39:04 AM) spies8mary: Assuming he is a Citizen, that is a lot of wasted votes.
(10:39:08 AM) spies8mary: Don't you agree?
(10:39:15 AM) spies8stephanie: yes
(10:39:21 AM) spies8mary: He thinks he is catching Spies on his wagon.
(10:39:25 AM) spies8mary: I disagree.
(10:39:44 AM) spies8mary: His big point on Awohali is that Awohali is voting him.
(10:39:47 AM) spies8stephanie: i def disagree
(10:39:53 AM) spies8mary: But if Chance is trying to play scummy intentionally
(10:39:58 AM) spies8mary: What does he expect?
(10:40:06 AM) spies8mary: It's stupid.
(10:40:30 AM) spies8mary: You theorized that Chance was the exile protector.
(10:40:40 AM) spies8mary: Even though that might not be it, let's assume that for now.
(10:40:55 AM) spies8stephanie: it's a known role with no known person
(10:41:12 AM) spies8mary: And according to Jenny, we're full on roles this game.
(10:41:22 AM) spies8mary: She seems to know the balance in prior games.
(10:41:35 AM) spies8mary: Anyhow, what do you think of the exile protects?
(10:42:11 AM) spies8stephanie: they have made no sense to me
(10:42:23 AM) spies8mary: The first one, I believe, was Chance at Episode 2.
(10:42:23 AM) spies8stephanie: i never thought gert was in much danger
(10:42:35 AM) spies8stephanie: chance might have been in some danger that ep
(10:42:41 AM) spies8mary: Chance and Claude were about to go head to head.
(10:43:01 AM) spies8mary: Awohali, Broderick, me and one other person voted Chance
(10:43:15 AM) spies8stephanie: it would have been a different game...if one of them had gone
(10:43:18 AM) spies8mary: And suddenly Chance is immune #2.
(10:43:29 AM) spies8mary: What do you think we all thought?
(10:43:56 AM) spies8stephanie: i suspected some bribery, idk what you all thought
(10:44:31 AM) spies8mary: /Jasmine also voted Chance.
(10:45:00 AM) spies8mary: In Episode 2, Claude's #1 suspect was Chance.
(10:45:12 AM) spies8stephanie: claude was out by then, right?
(10:45:13 AM) spies8mary: And Cory's.
(10:45:15 AM) spies8mary: Yes.
(10:45:30 AM) spies8mary: So that is 6 people who thought Chance was saved from exile by a spy.
(10:45:58 AM) spies8mary: Mary, Claude, Brod, Awohali, Jasmine, Cory.
(10:46:27 AM) spies8mary: Awohali and I voted Magalie. The rest voted Margot I think.
(10:46:43 AM) spies8mary: And now Chance is using that as evidence against Awohali.
(10:46:49 AM) spies8mary: I just don't think it's right.
(10:46:50 AM) spies8stephanie: hehe
(10:48:13 AM) spies8mary: I believe Chance attracted 2 or 3 of your votes.
(10:48:24 AM) spies8stephanie: yep
(10:48:31 AM) spies8mary: And one of Rondak's.
(10:48:44 AM) spies8stephanie: he'd still probably be getting my votes if not for cory
(10:48:48 AM) spies8mary: Right.
(10:48:49 AM) spies8mary: Same here.
(10:48:56 AM) spies8mary: I believe I told you once before.
(10:49:06 AM) spies8mary: I made a loooong case to Cory and Owen.
(10:49:14 AM) spies8stephanie: yes
(10:49:14 AM) spies8mary: And they totally ignored me the entire time.
(10:49:34 AM) spies8mary: And at the end of it, they lied and said they trusted Chance because of an Isaac-Chance situation.
(10:49:40 AM) spies8mary: And I called them liars.
(10:49:53 AM) spies8mary: And I was going to take it public so they cut me in.
(10:50:33 AM) spies8stephanie: i called them liars, but didn't threaten to take it public
(10:51:48 AM) spies8mary: It is possible that they've caught a Spy in Awohali.
(10:51:55 AM) spies8mary: By his reactions to Chance's play.
(10:52:07 AM) spies8stephanie: i don't think so
(10:52:12 AM) spies8mary: But Chance's case is terrible.
(10:52:18 AM) spies8mary: And Jenny's is terrible.
(10:52:24 AM) spies8mary: And Cinnamyn's isn't much better.
(10:52:36 AM) spies8stephanie: i don't think jenny and awohali can both be spies
(10:52:52 AM) spies8stephanie: and i get more and more convinced that she is a spy
(10:53:26 AM) spies8mary: Get this.
(10:53:36 AM) spies8mary: All but two of Cinnamyn's points against Awohali
(10:53:40 AM) spies8mary: Involve Chance.
(10:53:51 AM) spies8mary: Pretty much the entire case.
(10:54:15 AM) spies8mary: So I think my point to Owen was right.
(10:54:32 AM) spies8mary: I think Chance's "situation" is messing up people's radar.
(10:54:51 AM) spies8stephanie: definitely
(10:54:59 AM) spies8mary: I think Jenny is the right exile tonight.
(10:55:07 AM) spies8stephanie: i think it
(10:55:09 AM) spies8mary: Possibly Cinnamyn.
(10:55:22 AM) spies8stephanie: odd that no one wants to take credit for the awohali case
(10:55:27 AM) spies8stephanie: when i asked cinn
(10:55:36 AM) spies8stephanie: (9:57:04 PM) spies8stephanie: how did the awohali suspicions start?
(9:57:19 PM) spies8stephanie: was it your post?
(9:57:38 PM) spies8cinnamyn: chance menshined a suspishin of him 2 me last round, but nothing major
(9:57:48 PM) spies8cinnamyn: i decided 2 luk into him and made da post, and jenny sed she suspected him 2
(9:58:00 PM) spies8cinnamyn: i didnt no chance wuz also making a post on him
(10:56:06 AM) spies8mary: I think a lot of people suspected him last round.
(10:56:16 AM) spies8stephanie: when i asked chance
(10:56:22 AM) spies8stephanie: 9:41:23 PM) spies8stephanie: is she the one that started the ahowali suspicions?
(9:41:32 PM) spies8chance: no.
(9:41:40 PM) spies8stephanie: or just posted first?
(9:41:44 PM) spies8chance: she just posted first.
(9:44:32 PM) spies8stephanie: and where did they start?
(9:44:44 PM) spies8chance: me and cory discussed him before cory died.
(10:56:48 AM) spies8stephanie: it feels the same way the zeke suspicions did
(10:56:50 AM) spies8stephanie: to me
(10:57:01 AM) spies8stephanie: no real case and a lot of bandwagoning
(10:57:17 AM) spies8stephanie: and he's not around
(10:57:27 AM) spies8mary: This was a week ago:
(10:57:35 AM) spies8mary: [18:27] spies8mary: Broderick, Awohali and Rondak nominated you.
[18:27] spies8chance: and i think awohali and rondak are spies.
(10:58:34 AM) spies8mary: [21:17] spies8claude: I really kind of want to lynch Dane after that huge WIFOMish 'I quit instead'
[21:17] spies8claude: But I guess it's Awohali.
(10:59:16 AM) spies8stephanie: and i don't know what to think about claude these days
(10:59:44 AM) spies8stephanie: he seemed cit when he was sincere and tunneling chase
(10:59:47 AM) spies8mary: Jenny listed Awohali and me as suspects ten days ago.
(11:00:05 AM) spies8stephanie: jenny is the right vote
(11:00:24 AM) spies8stephanie: did she say cause you weren't around
(11:00:38 AM) spies8mary: Ha.
(11:00:41 AM) spies8mary: No.
(11:00:53 AM) spies8mary: She said it was because Magalie got her vote back.
(11:01:10 AM) spies8stephanie: mmmk
(11:01:26 AM) spies8mary: Yeah.
(11:01:43 AM) spies8mary: At least it's a new reason for her. She's branching out.
(11:01:52 AM) spies8stephanie: lol
(11:03:06 AM) spies8mary: [22:34] spies8cory: I'd much sooner exile Dane than Awohali
(11:03:27 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah me too
(11:03:37 AM) spies8mary: [22:24] spies8mary: What's your case on Awohali?
[22:28] spies8jenny: Mostly based on recent votes, and conversations I'd been having with him lately. He's coming up for similar reasons I was suspicious of Claude early on, he comes of as if he decides his suspects and then tries to fit things around it, instead of the other way around.
(11:03:53 AM) spies8mary: [22:30] spies8mary: What's wrong with his votes?
[22:37] spies8jenny: I count half of his votes so far being on Lucky, who I'm reading as a cit right now, and I know he's suspicious of me a bit as well. We had a chat the other night with Ricky and Claude there as well, where it just got silly at times, although to be fair it wasn't just him that was getting silly. I remember at once point while I was talking about how I'd only gotten to talk with Lawry for about 15 minutes since the roles went out before he vanished, and for some reason they assume it was a spy chat. Was kind of bizzare.

On that note, also had Ricky trying to fight over me using a figure of speech about Lawry leaving the minute the merge comes up, and acted like it was a contradiction with when I talked with him. Just was a rather bizzare chat in general that night.
(11:05:03 AM) spies8mary: [22:41] spies8mary: How do you differentiate which are Spies and which are Cits?
[22:46] spies8jenny: As best as I can really.

Depends on how people react, and how they talk with you. Sometimes you get people that just keep screaming it, and you don't really get anywhere, some people you get an honest conversation with about "Hey what was the deal about doing this" or "What made you come up with this earlier."
[22:47] spies8mary: And which one of those is Awohali?
[22:47] spies8jenny: After the last real chat we had, it came off more as the former.
(11:05:27 AM) spies8mary: What do you think of new Lawrence?
(11:05:45 AM) spies8stephanie: he's certainly more likeable and more logical
(11:05:47 AM) spies8mary: I think he's had enough time to catch up. Time to grill him.
(11:06:01 AM) spies8mary: He went after Dane right away.
(11:06:23 AM) spies8stephanie: well and i just think that shows good sense
(11:06:27 AM) spies8mary: Because of Dane's vote for Zed.
(11:06:44 AM) spies8mary: Hold on, I saw this in group chat yesterday.
(11:07:05 AM) spies8stephanie: which i still don't understand dane's vote for zeke and it's really odd
(11:07:30 AM) spies8mary: [13:59] spies8lawrence: The Zedekiah lynch smells bad to me
[13:59] spies8dane: the zedekiah lynch wasn't supposed to happen
(11:07:45 AM) spies8stephanie: right
(11:07:48 AM) spies8mary: [14:04] spies8lawrence: Wait a minute
[14:04] spies8lawrence: Dane
[14:04] spies8lawrence: You just said "the Zedekiah lynch wasn't supposed to happen"
[14:04] spies8lawrence: If not, why did you nominate Zedekiah?
(11:08:56 AM) spies8mary: What do you think of new Rondak?
(11:09:39 AM) spies8stephanie: going back to larry
(11:10:15 AM) spies8stephanie: did you see that i told him about dane asking cory and i about who he should vote for?
(11:10:26 AM) spies8mary: I remember seeing that, yes.
(11:10:30 AM) spies8mary: And he ignored you both?
(11:10:46 AM) spies8stephanie: dane came online last night and ignored us
(11:11:04 AM) spies8stephanie: then sent a message through jenny that was a non-explanation
(11:11:10 AM) spies8mary: I think I saw him say he wasn't in the mood to chat?
(11:11:14 AM) spies8stephanie: when i asked jenny if there was more
(11:11:18 AM) spies8stephanie: she disappeared
(11:11:29 AM) spies8mary: Yeah that's sketchy.
(11:11:59 AM) spies8stephanie: i honestly didn't think anything about dane asking me and then voting the opposite way
(11:12:02 AM) spies8stephanie: at the time
(11:12:20 AM) spies8mary: What was his reasoning for Zed?
(11:12:24 AM) spies8mary: That he gave you?
(11:12:24 AM) spies8stephanie: but all of the dodging of questions and non-explanations seem very suspicious
(11:12:29 AM) spies8stephanie: he didn't
(11:13:52 AM) spies8mary: [14:04] spies8lawrence: If not, why did you nominate Zedekiah?
(11:14:33 AM) spies8stephanie: and just says he prefers zeke to kiara
(11:14:48 AM) spies8stephanie: when cory and i both told him we preferred kiara to zeke
(11:14:49 AM) spies8mary: If so, why did you nominate Zedekiah?
(11:14:59 AM) spies8mary: I'm not seeing any answer.
(11:15:33 AM) spies8stephanie: [14:06] spies8dane: I didn't disagree with it, but I preferred for zedekiah to go over her


(11:15:53 AM) spies8stephanie: [14:07] spies8dane: I nominated zedekiah because I wanted him to be voted

(11:16:29 AM) spies8stephanie: that's more of an answer than i've ever got from dane
(11:17:17 AM) spies8stephanie: seems like he could have just said, i asked stephanie, and went with the opposite since i think she's a spy
(11:17:39 AM) spies8stephanie: but instead we get some non-answer run around
(11:18:15 AM) spies8stephanie: so new rondak?
(11:18:37 AM) spies8mary: Interestingly, neither Jenny nor Dane voted for a top suspect with reasons.
(11:18:57 AM) spies8mary: Jenny's top was Zed but she somehow knew he was getting nominated and didn't need more votes.
(11:19:11 AM) spies8mary: Even though only Dane and Chance ended up voting Zed.
(11:21:04 AM) spies8mary: So there had to be collusion there or Jenny wouldn't have known to vote Kiara.
(11:21:22 AM) spies8mary: Jenny had to know that both of them were rock-solid on Zed.
(11:21:40 AM) spies8mary: And Dane doesn't really sound like he had rock-solid reasons.
(11:23:31 AM) spies8stephanie: no, but i do see that dane put his vote in and then jenny put hers in
(11:30:23 AM) spies8mary: We have about 10 hours to get this right.
(11:30:47 AM) spies8mary: I would like to talk with Awohali, so hopefully he logs on.
(11:30:48 AM) spies8stephanie: i am pretty convinced in my own mind that jenny is right
(11:31:13 AM) spies8mary: Well, at this point Awohali is the only alternative I've seen.
(11:31:26 AM) spies8stephanie: of course, i don't have the best voting record around
(11:31:35 AM) spies8mary: I haven't heard any other names mentioned for exile.
(11:32:21 AM) spies8stephanie: 9 senators
(11:32:41 AM) spies8mary: Chance, Owen and Gertrude have all mentioned Awohali.
(11:32:45 AM) spies8mary: And Claude. That's 4.
(11:32:53 AM) spies8stephanie: and cinnamyn
(11:32:57 AM) spies8mary: So it would take 4 or 5 on Jenny or on someone else.
(11:33:03 AM) spies8mary: Oh, that's right.
(11:33:17 AM) spies8stephanie: ahowali, hambone, me for jenny
(11:33:32 AM) spies8mary: Hambone doesn't have a Senate vote, does he?
(11:34:02 AM) spies8stephanie: lol
(11:34:09 AM) spies8stephanie: no
(11:34:52 AM) spies8stephanie: oh dear this is looking bad
(11:36:46 AM) spies8mary: Rondak, Stephanie, Mary, Awohali.
(11:37:12 AM) spies8mary: Claude, Chance, Owen, Gertrude, Cinnamyn.
(11:37:23 AM) spies8mary: That's kind of how it breaks down.
(11:37:23 AM) spies8stephanie: might come down to the mia owen
(11:37:37 AM) spies8mary: I am pretty sure he mentioned Awohali but I will check.
(11:38:18 AM) spies8mary: "This is sudden, but I'll be away for a few days. Have a few things that need to be worked out -- talked it over with the kind Judge Sam.

Voting list has been left. Get one of those fuckers while I'm gone, please."
(11:38:26 AM) spies8stephanie: last msg i got before he left was,
(11:38:30 AM) spies8stephanie: Yep, Jenny was pretty persistent on Zed and didn't seem too bothered that he was mislynched. She was more pissed about Allan quitting. I've felt better about her lately, but she's so incredibly hard to get stances out of.

I'm unsure of what I'm doing at the moment -- haven't talked to anyone since exile night. I'd actually like to look a lot more into Dane after his whole "I QUIT" after Allan had already quit. More WIFOM. Combine that with his first bribe and his lack of doing much since being "cleared by Alexei."


(11:39:19 AM) spies8stephanie: so it's hard to tell who is higher on his list
(11:42:29 AM) spies8stephanie: going into ep6 my spy list was larry,chance,kiara,rondak
(11:42:44 AM) spies8stephanie: then everything hit the fan
(11:43:03 AM) spies8stephanie: kiara claims
(11:43:23 AM) spies8stephanie: chance is mysteriously cleared
(11:43:26 AM) spies8stephanie: larry is new
(11:43:50 AM) spies8stephanie: and i start looking for new suspects :-P