Mary's Episode 8 Conversations

[Mary]

[17:37] Spies8Awohali: I am a fan of this room name.
[17:37] spies8mary: It sounds better than Get Awohali to me.
[17:38] spies8mary: I don't like the cases on you.
[17:38] spies8mary: The main point seems to be that you voted Jenny and Chance.
[17:38] Spies8Awohali: I do not either, for obvious reasons... Still, many seem to.
[17:38] spies8mary: And that you have been "dismissive" of cases on you.
[17:38] Spies8Awohali: Do not forget the point that I voted twice for Magalie, a Spy.
[17:38] spies8mary: Sarcasm won't help you tonight.
[17:38] spies8stephanie: ugh
[17:38] Spies8Awohali: I imagine that it will not...
[17:39] Spies8Awohali: Perhaps I can become a different person for tonight, then.
[17:39] spies8mary: No.
[17:39] spies8mary: But I am trying to think of what pressure will work.
[17:39] spies8mary: On Rondak, and possibly Gertrude.
[17:39] Spies8Awohali: It will probably need to be both..
[17:40] spies8stephanie: i haven't talked to gert
[17:41] spies8stephanie: owen is still the mystery vote and could be for anyone
[17:41] spies8mary: [12:37] spies8mary: I'd like to see Jenny, Cinnamyn, Rondak and possibly Lawrence.
[12:38] spies8gertrude: I wouldn't mind seeing any of those up there.
[17:41] spies8mary: If she says she's not considering Jenny, we can call her on that quote.
[17:42] spies8stephanie: have you tried talking to her mary?
[17:42] spies8stephanie: my aim shows her away?
[17:42] spies8mary: [19:54] spies8claude: So Awohali tells me that he's 99% sure he knows who Chance is, to the point that he's willing to accusation vote him.
[17:43] spies8mary: Can you explain that, Awohali?
[17:43] Spies8Awohali: Indeed, it is all true.
[17:43] spies8mary: [19:57] spies8gertrude: If it's not, I need to switch to Kiara to prevent Awohali from being a complete jackass in addition to scumbag.
[17:43] spies8mary: So yes, she suspects you.
[17:43] Spies8Awohali: If I felt that Chance could be Exiled with a few extra votes, I would go for it.
[17:44] spies8mary: [21:17] spies8claude: I really kind of want to lynch Dane after that huge WIFOMish 'I quit instead'
[21:17] spies8claude: But I guess it's Awohali.
[17:44] Spies8Awohali: I shall be on the phone with a friend who is traveling on low sleep, so I shal;l be slightly slower to respond
[17:44] spies8mary: Ok.
[17:45] spies8mary: [21:25] spies8chance: if you vote me, awohali and stephanie will too.
[17:46] spies8mary: [21:21] spies8mary: Who are the four Spies?
[21:21] Spies8Awohali: Chance, Jenny (Big surprise there), Gertrude, and Rondak.
[17:46] spies8stephanie: uhoh
[17:46] spies8stephanie: if that's the case, awohali is a goner
[17:47] Spies8Awohali: That shall not be an issue, I hope.
[17:47] spies8mary: This is Chance talking about Awohali.
[17:47] spies8mary: [11:36] spies8mary: Do you disagree with his Jenny suspicions?
[11:37] spies8mary: Or think he has bad reasons for them?
[11:38] spies8chance: i do, for the most part. i think his main reason for suspecting jenny - that she didn't out nita immediately - has been gone over immensely and i can definitely see jenny's side of the story on that one.
[17:47] spies8mary: Is that your main reason for suspecting Jenny?
[17:47] Spies8Awohali: Not at all, though it is a reason.
[17:48] spies8mary: I didn't think so.
[17:48] Spies8Awohali: To my knowledge, I have never claimed it to be my main reason.
[17:48] spies8mary: I know.
[17:49] spies8mary: When I just asked you, you said:
[17:49] spies8mary: "Personally, I believe that her lack of stances and extreme cases of avoiding questions has been the worst recently/."
[17:49] spies8mary: That, plus her architecting a Zed vs. Kiara exile.
[17:50] spies8mary: I am confident that she arranged much of it, based on the way it happened.
[17:50] spies8mary: She seems to have worked with Dane on it.
[17:50] spies8stephanie: and i think she's doing the same with awohali
[17:50] spies8mary: She seems to have way too much swing for a random Citizen.
[17:50] spies8mary: It seems more likely that she has a team.
[17:52] spies8mary: I don't think Chance is a spy, but I think he did what she wanted and voted Zed.
[17:54] Spies8Awohali: OK, she has safely arrived without falling asleep.
[17:54] Spies8Awohali: Now I may speak fully once more.
[17:54] spies8mary: That's good.
[17:54] spies8mary: When I need to stay awake at work, I dig my fingernails into my palms until they bleed.
[17:54] Spies8Awohali: And yes, Jenny has many random switches. Of course, when you have an amazing lack of definitive stances , it is easier to switch all over the place.
[17:55] spies8stephanie: ugh that sound un-hygenic
[17:55] Spies8Awohali: I am not sure if that is the wisest strategy, though I imagine that it works.
[17:55] spies8mary: I assure you, Stephanie, I use proper sterile technique.
[17:55] spies8mary: I wish we had time to swing people to Rondak. I have a bad feeling about him now.
[17:56] Spies8Awohali: I imagine that if Jenny is a Spy, it will not be difficult to get him next.
[17:57] Spies8Awohali: My only fear is that the most swayable votes here are people that I believe are likely Spies with Jenny.
[17:57] spies8mary: The only way to change their votes is to present evidence that cannot be argued with.
[17:57] spies8mary: And a flood of it.
[17:58] spies8mary: And I believe there is a flood of evidence against Jenny.
[17:58] Spies8Awohali: I believe that can be done. It is a matter of whether or not people are willing to listen to it, or if they are set in their ways already.
[17:58] spies8mary: Awohali, I noticed that you were one of only three people to present the Republicans with evidence against Magalie.
[17:59] spies8mary: I think that the argument that you didn't want her exiled is weak.
[17:59] Spies8Awohali: I find it absolutely laughable, but apparently my finding it to be a bad argument makes me even more suspicious.
[18:00] spies8mary: Have any Senators voting for you presented a case they agree with?
[18:00] Spies8Awohali: I can see why one would find my having not voted Magalie in the round that she was going suspicious, but it does not change the previous episodes at all.
[18:00] spies8mary: The existing cases stink.
[18:01] Spies8Awohali: A case on me that they all agree with?
[18:01] spies8stephanie: bbl -- mary i hope i have you in my corner if i ever am an exile threat
[18:01] spies8mary: Are you a spy?
[18:01] Spies8Awohali: Ha, Mary is a champion indeed.
[18:01] spies8mary: If not, I'll be there.
[18:01] spies8mary: I think Broderick is probably a Citizen too.

[Mary]

[17:11] spies8stephanie: did you get invited?
[17:12] spies8stephanie: jenny has quit inviting me :-P
[17:12] spies8mary: No invite for me.
[17:14] spies8mary: I am convinced after reading a lot today that Jenny is much more likely to be a Spy than Awohali.
[17:14] spies8stephanie: (7:13:08 PM) spies8stephanie: may i ask who you are voting?
(7:13:38 PM) spies8rondak: lastly I checked, awohali
(7:13:50 PM) spies8stephanie: oh dear
(7:13:52 PM) spies8rondak: but I've changed like 10 times already

[17:27] spies8mary: spies8rondak: If I had to pick with just gut feeling...
[15:03] spies8rondak: I would say
[15:03] spies8rondak: Chance, Claude, Jenny and Gertrude
[15:03] spies8rondak: but that's just blindly guessing
[17:33] spies8stephanie: i just told awohali to go play nice with rondak
[17:33] spies8mary: Good.
[17:33] spies8mary: I just told him if there's a vote to be swayed, it's Rondak.
[17:34] spies8stephanie: claude tells me he switched to chance
[17:34] spies8mary: That's insane.
[17:34] spies8stephanie: but his alternative is awohali
[17:34] spies8stephanie: so its good
[17:34] spies8mary: Rondak told me his top four suspects, and then he switched to suspecting Cinnamyn after I said she was one of my top two.
[17:35] spies8mary: But Jenny was in his top four and Awohali wasn't.
[17:35] spies8mary: So I really don't know about him.
[17:36] spies8stephanie: uh oh
[19:45] spies8stephanie: uh oh again
[19:48] spies8stephanie: 150??? rly?
[20:02] spies8mary: I'm back.
[20:02] spies8mary: Scrolling up.
[20:02] spies8stephanie: ack!
[20:17] spies8stephanie: what was that from jasmine?
[20:18] spies8stephanie: she loves you??
[20:41] spies8stephanie: well, i guess we were right
[20:41] spies8stephanie: for all the good that does us now
[20:44] spies8mary: I'm sad.
[20:44] spies8stephanie: me too
[20:44] spies8stephanie: but not apoplectic like last exile
[20:46] spies8stephanie: and i am not sure i believed awohali's claim
[20:46] spies8stephanie: but jenny is a pretty sure bet for next round
[20:46] spies8stephanie: poor owen...
[21:05] spies8stephanie: you know this only makes chance look more suspicious
[21:06] spies8stephanie: especially since claude moved his vote to chance and off awohali

[Mary]

[20:40] spies8hambone: :-)
[20:43] spies8mary: Good luck.
[20:43] spies8hambone: should i try and win
[20:46] spies8mary: Yes.
[20:56] spies8hambone:
[20:56] spies8mary: That was unexpected.
[21:00] spies8hambone: oh well :-)
[21:00] spies8hambone: idc
[21:00] spies8hambone: i think ill get mine back
[21:00] spies8hambone: sooner or later
[21:00] spies8hambone: and if i dont then it might be easier for me to win the game
[21:01] spies8mary: Do you have another song for me?
[21:02] spies8hambone: not right now no
[21:02] spies8hambone: which did i show u
[21:05] spies8mary: Three.
[21:05] spies8mary: The Jenny one needs work, Boner.
[21:05] spies8hambone: ya i know

[Mary]

[18:03] spies8mary: Hi.
[18:03] spies8lawrence: Hello my dear Mary
[18:03] spies8mary: Are you all caught up?
[18:03] spies8lawrence: Pretty much
[18:03] spies8lawrence: Might still be hazy on details, but I know the gist of what has happened
[18:05] spies8mary: Who do you want to see exiled tonight?
[18:05] spies8lawrence: Hesitantly Awohali
[18:06] spies8mary: Why Awohali?
[18:06] spies8mary: Do you agree with one or more of the cases against him?
[18:06] spies8lawrence: Cinnamyn has brought up some great points, however, what I saw last night in chat bothered me. He was attacked over things like being defensive, a null tell.
[18:08] spies8mary: Who attacked him?
[18:08] spies8lawrence: Chance was the main individual
[18:08] spies8lawrence: I can bring up the chat log to be sure, I remember there being others
[18:08] spies8mary: It's ok.
[18:08] spies8mary: Which of Cinnamyn's points did you agree with most?
[18:09] spies8mary: Or find the most incriminating?
[18:10] spies8lawrence: I apologize, I had to call up the post again.
[18:10] spies8mary: Take your time.
[18:10] spies8lawrence: The segment about voting for Magalie was sketchy.
[18:10] spies8lawrence: Also, slightly lesser, but still noticeable, the fact that he has kept suspecting Chance and Claude
[18:11] spies8lawrence: It seems to me that there has not been a large push to get Chance Exiled, yet many people seem to suspect him
[18:11] spies8lawrence: As a criminal, it would be easy to keep that avenue open while pushing for other mislynches
[18:15] spies8mary: Sorry, I just got a drink of water.
[18:16] spies8mary: So you think Awohali's votes for Magalie may have been bussing?
[18:16] spies8mary: Can you explain in any more detail?
[18:16] spies8lawrence: Yes.
[18:17] spies8lawrence: It appears he voted for her when it didn't matter in round 2, and to a lesser extent, round 3 (I do not know how clear it was that Themba would go home.) Yet in the later rounds, he didn't vote for her.
[18:17] spies8mary: Ok.
[18:17] spies8mary: And do you think Chance is a Spy?
[18:18] spies8lawrence: He could be, but I suspect Claude more than him
[18:18] spies8lawrence: And I don't believe the two are Spies together
[18:19] spies8mary: What makes you suspicious of Claude?
[18:19] spies8lawrence: The way the role was used last round
[18:19] spies8lawrence: His maintained suspicion of Chance (only works if Chance is indeed a Citizen)
[18:20] spies8lawrence: The role itself seems more beneficial to the criminals than to the Citizens
[18:20] spies8mary: You think limiting Owen to three choices was spyish?
[18:20] spies8mary: Or limiting him to those specific three?
[18:20] spies8lawrence: Limiting Owen to three choices
[18:20] spies8mary: Is that because you tend to trust Owen?
[18:20] spies8lawrence: Owen singlehandedly took out Isaac
[18:20] spies8lawrence: Over two other choices
[18:20] spies8mary: Actually, no, but we'll roll with that for now.
[18:21] spies8lawrence: He also voted for Magalie as a Senator the round after, correct?
[18:21] spies8mary: Yes.
[18:21] spies8lawrence: His voting record makes me trust him, even though he is not around often
[18:21] spies8mary: He also voted Alexei, but was third on the wagon.
[18:22] spies8mary: And didn't add a ton to the case himself.
[18:22] spies8mary: I think he is probably a Citizen, but I'm not fully convinced.
[18:22] spies8mary: So Claude had to limit someone.
[18:23] spies8mary: Who would you have restricted?
[18:23] spies8lawrence: That is difficult to answer
[18:23] spies8lawrence: Not being in the game at that point
[18:24] spies8lawrence: It seems to me like Claude would have wanted to limit whom Chance could nominate, if Claude suspects him so much
[18:24] spies8mary: That's a really good point.
[18:24] spies8mary: You might want to ask him about that eventually. I'm curious to hear the answer.
[18:24] spies8lawrence: I will see if he's listening to the chat right now
[18:25] spies8mary: By the way
[18:25] spies8mary: I think I might stick an ice pick behind Owen's orbital lobe after this episode and see what I find.
[18:26] spies8lawrence: Will he even be around to attack?
[18:26] spies8lawrence: I believe he is a Citizen, but a lazy one at that
[18:26] spies8mary: I was joking, Lawrence.
[18:26] spies8lawrence: I have not seen him on AIM since the last Exile
[18:26] spies8mary: I think you need to brush up on your hospital humor.
[18:26] spies8lawrence: (I was joking as well . . . I do not know hospital humor, but it would be hard to ice pick someone who is not here.)
[18:27] spies8mary: Do you still want to see Dane exiled?
[18:27] spies8lawrence: I suspect him, but Awohali or Jenny would be a more informative Exile
[18:27] spies8mary: Ah, there's Claude.
[18:35] spies8lawrence: Finally, some chat room discussion
[18:35] spies8lawrence: AIM is slow in this game
[18:35] spies8mary: I prodded Awohali to go after Claude.
[18:35] spies8mary: Entertain me, my puppets.
[18:35] spies8lawrence: That is humorous, yet creepy
[18:36] spies8mary: I aim to please.
[18:36] spies8mary: Have you had the time to view my therapy sessions with Claude?
[18:36] spies8mary: He's really quite good.
[18:36] spies8mary: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=885
[18:37] spies8mary: I think a few more episodes and he might have me all back together again.
[18:38] spies8mary: Of course, if he's a Spy, I'll have to show him his liver.
[18:38] spies8lawrence: Allow me to untangle headphones
[18:38] spies8mary: That must be tough to do with one arm.
[18:39] spies8lawrence: Oh, it is
[18:39] spies8lawrence: I am viewing the video
[18:40] spies8lawrence: Where is the audio from?
[18:40] spies8mary: That's me and Claude.
[18:40] spies8mary: Isn't he great?
[18:40] spies8lawrence: Courageous, yes.
[18:41] spies8mary: Billy says Claude looks like a good man.
[18:41] spies8mary: Billy's really good at spotting bad people.
[18:42] spies8mary: He helped me spot Isaac as a Spy.
[18:42] spies8lawrence: I will watch part 2 after I take care of something in the house
[18:42] spies8mary: Ok.
[18:42] spies8mary: Better leave the lights on.
[18:50] spies8lawrence: Watching
[18:51] spies8lawrence: Quite frightening
[18:51] spies8lawrence: Please do not murder me
[18:52] spies8mary: Simon is the only person I know who hurts people.
[18:52] spies8mary: And he's asleep.
[18:52] spies8lawrence: Oh good
[18:53] spies8lawrence: I do hope there is a chance to earn a Senate vote back now that the Senate appears to be voting on a normal lynch
[18:54] spies8mary: It's been a very long twist.
[18:54] spies8mary: I wonder if the last person left without their Senate vote
[18:54] spies8mary: Will get to pick three nominees.
[18:54] spies8mary: For the rest of us to vote on.
[18:55] spies8lawrence: I do not believe so
[18:55] spies8mary: This is the fourth episode of twist.
[18:55] spies8mary: That's probably just about the end.
[18:56] spies8mary: I imagine all but one person will get their vote back this week.
[18:56] spies8lawrence: He said one person will remain "voteless" for the rest of the game
[18:56] spies8mary: Yes.
[18:56] spies8lawrence: Perhaps nominating by themselves for one round
[18:56] spies8lawrence: But I doubt that Sam would reward a player for failing miserably at the plethora of otpportunies to earn a vote back
[18:57] spies8lawrence: I hope I am not the sole remaining voteless player
[18:57] spies8mary: My guess is that it will come down to a vote.
[18:57] spies8mary: And the person with the least support will not get their vote back.
[18:57] spies8mary: But that is similar to this last voting exercise.
[18:57] spies8mary: So maybe not.
[18:58] spies8mary: Wow, how many people are left playing?
[18:58] spies8lawrence: Sixteen
[18:58] spies8lawrence: Currently nine Senators
[18:59] spies8mary: 15 after tonight.
[18:59] spies8mary: And hopefully only three Spies.
[18:59] spies8lawrence: Agreed wholeheartedly
[19:00] spies8mary: More likely four though. I don't really think Awohali is a Spy.
[19:00] spies8lawrence: Who are you voting for this Exile, then?
[19:00] spies8mary: Jenny.
[19:00] spies8mary: What do you think of her?
[19:00] spies8mary: I saw you mention it would be an informative exile.
[19:00] spies8mary: What information would you expect to gain?
[19:01] spies8lawrence: She has seemed shady throughout the game, the only thing of substance from her being archiving chats
[19:01] spies8lawrence: Awohali and Hambone both seem to be connected to Jenny in terms of suspicion
[19:01] spies8lawrence: Her flipping will give us information on the both of them
[19:01] spies8lawrence: However, Awohali today will give us much more information
[19:02] spies8mary: Why?
[19:02] spies8lawrence: That being said, as much as I despise pure information lynches, I think the case on Awohali is more sound than the case on Jenny
[19:02] spies8lawrence: Both Broderick and Cinnamyn posted cases on him
[19:02] spies8mary: I don't think Broderick did.
[19:02] spies8mary: Chance did, though.
[19:02] spies8lawrence: As well as there being much discussion about him recently in chat (well, as much as there can be with this cast.)
[19:02] spies8lawrence: Chance, that is right
[19:03] spies8lawrence: Sorry, I got my names swapped
[19:04] spies8lawrence: 56 minutes till judgment, my dear
[19:05] spies8mary: Are you a drinking man, Lawrence?
[19:05] spies8mary: This might be a good time to crack a cold one.
[19:05] spies8mary: And maybe grab some popcorn.
[19:05] spies8lawrence: When I was younger, yes, but the lure of the drink affected my showmanship
[19:05] spies8lawrence: So I decided to give it up
[19:05] spies8lawrence: Popcorn, however sounds nice
[19:06] spies8mary: Do you chop women into little pieces?
[19:06] spies8mary: Or at least in half?
[19:06] spies8lawrence: (On a side note, the person playing me originally wanted to only type with one hand. I would die.)
[19:06] spies8lawrence: And Mary . . . I was declared innocent in court, that accident was not my fault
[19:06] spies8mary: That's entertainment.
[19:06] spies8mary: My favorite is the one where they stick all the swords through the coffin with the lady in it.
[19:07] spies8lawrence: That is a fine trick
[19:07] spies8lawrence: However, I believe the best magic is not meant for stage, but close up.
[19:07] spies8mary: What's your favorite?
[19:08] spies8lawrence: I have many favorites, but this is just one of them
[19:09] spies8lawrence: I am trying to find a video that is not revealing the trick's secrets
[19:11] spies8lawrence: A las I can not find one
[19:11] spies8lawrence: www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvzSiUB6yV0
[19:12] spies8lawrence: spies10derith
[19:13] spies8lawrence: interesting
[19:13] spies8mary: That's a neat trick.
[19:13] spies8lawrence: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Yw7oX5CXhk&feature=related
[19:13] spies8mary: I think this one is my favorite.
[19:14] spies8mary: www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxu_MQSTTY
[19:15] spies8lawrence: Is it bad
[19:15] spies8lawrence: That it took me until the card was revealed
[19:15] spies8lawrence: to realize this was a parody?
[19:51] spies8lawrence: Are you paying attention to the chat?
[19:51] spies8lawrence: Interesting turn of events
[19:57] spies8mary: Fascinating.
[19:58] spies8mary: This is like Christmas.
[20:00] spies8lawrence: Agreed
[20:00] spies8lawrence: But why would Awohali lie?
[20:01] spies8mary: He's telling the truth, Lawrence.
[20:01] spies8mary: He has to be.
[20:04] spies8mary: This is good news. We're guaranteed a Spy, the way I see it.
[20:04] spies8mary: Either now or next exile.
[20:04] spies8lawrence: True, yes
[20:04] spies8lawrence: Sorry for the above, I was playing Devil's Advocate
[20:05] spies8lawrence: (I find I do that quite often)
[20:05] spies8lawrence: There are Village Idiots in every mafia game, but Awohali doesn't strike me as the type
[20:06] spies8lawrence: It seems you were correct about the twist
[20:43] spies8mary: Good luck.
[20:43] spies8lawrence: Thank you my dear

[Mary]

[17:10] spies8mary: Hi Awohali.
[17:11] spies8mary: I'm glad you made it on.
[17:11] Spies8Awohali: Osiyo, Mary. How are you on this night of great importance?
[17:11] spies8mary: I feel yucky.
[17:11] Spies8Awohali: I am as well, though I have not had sleep since yesterday morning, so I will not be in prime condition.
[17:11] spies8mary: I don't like how three people made cases on you at the same time.
[17:12] spies8mary: And how some people seem to be buying in to them.
[17:12] Spies8Awohali: I do not either. I am pretty sure that the Spies have shown their hand.
[17:12] Spies8Awohali: Regardless of whether or not I go tonight, the game should be very winnable. However, I shall not let myself die first
[17:12] spies8mary: I think Jenny is exilable.
[17:13] spies8mary: The question is, is there support?
[17:13] Spies8Awohali: I do as well... You, myself, and Stephanie all plan to vote for her.
[17:13] spies8mary: And why are people playing games in the spies8 room?
[17:13] Spies8Awohali: I am not sure... I would think they would be more interested in the exile
[17:14] spies8mary: Who will be voting for you?
[17:14] Spies8Awohali: Cinnamyn, Rondak, and Chance for certain.
[17:15] spies8mary: Have you talked to Claude and Gertrude?
[17:16] spies8mary: Last I heard, Owen was thinking of voting for you. I need to check my logs.
[17:16] spies8mary: One question for you if you have a moment.
[17:18] Spies8Awohali: Gertrude has not answered me yet, and Claude is, surprise, voting for Chance.
[17:18] Spies8Awohali: I do indeed have a moment, I apologize, I had to grab my dinner.
[17:18] spies8mary: What are you having for your last meal?
[17:18] spies8mary: I understand you get to pick anything delicious.
[17:18] Spies8Awohali: Goulash. It is quite good, though it shall not be my last.
[17:18] spies8mary: That's the spirit.
[17:19] spies8mary: "Senate voting: Topping my list are going to be Dane, Awohali, Broderick, Mary (though you should probably keep that kinda quiet, as I don't to piss her off), Kiara, Jenny."
[17:19] Spies8Awohali: Who said that??
[17:19] spies8mary: Owen.
[17:19] spies8mary: It's an unusual list.
[17:20] Spies8Awohali: He wants to keep his suspicions hidden from you... He has kept them from me as well...
[17:20] Spies8Awohali: I wonder if he has spoken to Broderick.
[17:20] Spies8Awohali: And it is an unusual list indeed. Owen is very much a mystery to me.
[17:21] spies8mary: I am glad that we have three firm votes against Jenny. But the mystery votes don't make me happy.
[17:21] Spies8Awohali: I am as well, but I, too, am perturbed by the unknowns, for good reason...
[17:22] Spies8Awohali: Still, I feel confident that I can convince the middle ground voters, if it becomes absolutely necessary.
[17:22] spies8mary: My question for you was this.
[17:22] spies8mary: You said in your reply to Cinnamyn that you have added to your cases each episode.
[17:23] spies8mary: I think you meant that you added to your existing cases on Jenny and Chance.
[17:23] spies8mary: Is that correct?
[17:23] Spies8Awohali: It is indeed.
[17:23] Spies8Awohali: Specifically them, but to others as well.
[17:23] spies8mary: Your posts don't add much to your cases.
[17:23] spies8mary: But I seem to recall you talking about those two in group chat each episode.
[17:24] spies8mary: So I can see why Cinnamyn said that if she just skimmed your post history.
[17:24] Spies8Awohali: Indeed. I have slacked a lot, forum-wise, but I am quite open in the chat rooms and private conversations.
[17:24] spies8mary: What would you say has been scummiest about Jenny in Episodes 5, 6 and 7?
[17:25] Spies8Awohali: It is tough to decide what the most scummy thing would be. Personally, I believe that her lack of stances and extreme cases of avoiding questions has been the worst recently/.
[17:25] spies8mary: Has anyone defended her on that?
[17:25] spies8mary: And has she ever successfully refuted the argument?
[17:26] Spies8Awohali: I do not believe anyone has directly defenmded her. Chance and Claude have both attempted to say that she was "bullied" but did not defend her actual avoidance.
[17:26] Spies8Awohali: And hse has never successfully refuted anything that I am aware of, for she does not make many direct repsonses.
[17:27] spies8mary: I won't bring up Chance, as I believe discussing him is a waste of time.
[17:27] spies8mary: What do you think of Rondak?
[17:28] Spies8Awohali: Rondak is ridiculous. He stated that he was voting me because of my attitude concerning Jenny and Chance's "Cases" on me
[17:28] spies8mary: spies8rondak: If I had to pick with just gut feeling...
[15:03] spies8rondak: I would say
[15:03] spies8rondak: Chance, Claude, Jenny and Gertrude
[15:03] spies8rondak: but that's just blindly guessing
[17:28] spies8mary: That was yesterday.
[17:29] spies8mary: I told him my top two were Jenny and Cinnamyn.
[17:29] spies8mary: Moments later in group chat, someone asked him who he was voting for.
[17:29] spies8mary: I believe he said Cinnamyn.
[17:29] Spies8Awohali: And now it is Awohali.
[17:29] spies8mary: He clearly doesn't have suspicions based on anything significant.
[17:30] spies8mary: And his suspicions of you are based on your reaction to cases made by his top two suspects.
[17:30] spies8mary: More correctly, two of his top four.
[17:30] Spies8Awohali: That is actually very funny.
[17:30] spies8mary: I would expect him to applaud your tearing apart of Chance's terrible case.
[17:31] Spies8Awohali: I would as well. Perhaps I will talk to him about that now.
[17:31] spies8mary: I don't know if you addressed Jenny's, but it was also terrible.
[17:31] Spies8Awohali: I addressed hers in IMs with her directly.
[17:31] spies8mary: How does Rondak know about it?
[17:32] spies8mary: He seems familiar with your attitude towards Jenny's case?
[17:32] Spies8Awohali: It was mostly towards Chance's actual case and on Jenny's previous comment about me taking lessons from Broderick... Whatever the ridiculous line was.
[17:32] spies8mary: If there is a vote to be swayed it's Rondak.
[17:33] Spies8Awohali: Indeed, unless he is on the wrong side.
[17:33] spies8mary: In that case, his refusal to address evidence will be noted for future reference.
[17:33] Spies8Awohali: Agreed. I hope that he shall respond to my IM soon.
[17:35] spies8mary: I think maybe we should question him in public so he is more accountable?
[17:36] Spies8Awohali: That is not a bad idea, though he has finally responded to my IM's. I shall attempt to think of a good way to switch to the chat.
[17:36] spies8mary: Ok.
[17:36] Spies8Awohali: And he is off for dinner...
[17:36] spies8mary: That's not good.
[17:36] Spies8Awohali: No, it is not...
[20:04] Spies8Awohali: Good luck, unali'i. I regret that I was unable to muster a laugh from your during my time in the game.
[20:05] spies8mary: Are you a Spy?
[20:05] spies8mary: That would make me sad.
[20:06] Spies8Awohali: I am not. Jenny is, though. I trust that I shall be avenged.
[20:34] spies8mary: Osiyo, Awohali, I will miss you greatly.
[20:35] Spies8Awohali: I shall miss you as well, Mary. We shall meet once more in the after life.
[20:35] spies8mary: *smiles*
[20:36] Spies8Awohali: This brings joy to my soul! Perhaps I shall be injured and appear in your hospital. Until then, this will be goodbye.

[Mary]

[17:20] spies8mary: Hi.
[19:25] spies8broderick: hi Mary
[19:26] spies8mary: You're back.
[19:27] spies8broderick: Yeah
[19:27] spies8mary: It looks like a 4-3 Awohali exile right now.
[19:28] spies8mary: With Claude voting Chance.
[19:28] spies8broderick: Heh
[19:29] spies8broderick: What are the senate reasons for their votes?
[19:29] spies8mary: Awohali's posted his.
[19:29] spies8broderick: Yes. Stephanie, Chance, Cinnamyn I believe also did.
[19:29] spies8mary: Stephanie, I recall having made a case on Jenny before.
[19:30] spies8mary: I haven't seen anything from Owen or Gertrude.
[19:30] spies8broderick: What about Owen, yourself, Gertrude, Rondak?
[19:31] spies8mary: And Rondak said he's voting Awohali because of Awohali's dismissive attitude towards Chance, Cinnamyn and Jenny's cases on him.
[19:31] spies8mary: I find that troublesome for a few reasons.
[19:32] spies8mary: Yesterday, I asked Rondak for his suspects.
[19:33] spies8mary: spies8rondak: If I had to pick with just gut feeling...
[15:03] spies8rondak: I would say
[15:03] spies8rondak: Chance, Claude, Jenny and Gertrude
[15:03] spies8rondak: but that's just blindly guessing
[19:33] spies8broderick: ugh. I got so annoyed last night
[19:33] spies8broderick: I was asking for hi sopinion on something and he didn't have anything
[19:33] spies8mary: And then after I told him my top two were Cinnamyn and Jenny
[19:34] spies8broderick: Then Jasmine came and was like a repeat. It just had to leave, it annoyed me to no end
[19:34] spies8mary: Not five minutes later he told group chat he was voting for Cinnamyn.
[19:34] spies8mary: Who wasn't even in his list of 4.
[19:34] spies8mary: Now he's voting Awohali.
[19:34] spies8mary: Who is not in that list of five.
[19:34] spies8broderick: He said Cinnamyn to me as well, and I asked why
[19:34] spies8mary: AND
[19:34] spies8broderick: He said the case was 'interesting'
[19:34] spies8broderick: Which I think Jasmine used the same wording
[19:35] spies8mary: His reason for Awohali is that Awohali tore apart Cinnamyn's, Chance's and Jenny's cases.
[19:35] spies8mary: Those are three of Rondak's "top suspects".
[19:35] spies8broderick: lol?
[19:35] spies8mary: So why SHOULDN'T Awohali tear them apart?
[19:35] spies8mary: And why wouldn't Rondak agree?
[19:35] spies8mary: They were terrible cases.
[19:35] spies8broderick: Cinnamyn's was the best, albiet the best of three bad ones
[19:36] spies8broderick: Jenny, I dont' feel she adequetely backed up her reasoning for nominating Awohali
[19:36] spies8mary: No.
[19:36] spies8broderick: It was pretty much 'here are two links, there they are'
[19:36] spies8broderick: 'find it yourself'
[19:36] spies8mary: It was basically his attitude towards her, which is OMGUS.
[19:37] spies8broderick: I think she OMGUS' a lot. I noticed in a chat from yesterday, that she is now suspecting me.
[19:37] spies8mary: Plus his votes for Magalie, then Jenny then Chance.
[19:37] spies8broderick: Convenient after I asked her to back up her reasons for voting Awohali.
[19:40] spies8broderick: So who isn't accounted for in that vote tally?
[20:44] spies8mary: Good luck.
[20:45] spies8broderick: Thanks. As long as Jenny or Jas dont get it back, I'm good i think lol

[Mary]

[20:11] spies8jasmine: gurl, how r u
[20:12] spies8mary: Hi.
[20:12] spies8jasmine: How are you? :-)
[20:12] spies8mary: I just scrolled up to read what Awohali said.
[20:12] spies8mary: I hope he's not a spy. That would make me sad.
[20:14] spies8jasmine: Do you think he's going to get exiled? :-\
[20:14] spies8mary: I don't know.
[20:14] spies8mary: I am so hungry.
[20:14] spies8mary: I'm going to grab a carrot. I'll be right back.
[20:14] spies8jasmine: Okay Mary
[20:43] spies8mary: Good luck.
[20:44] spies8jasmine: Thanks Mary
[20:45] spies8mary: I will go have sex right now to keep busy while you play.
[20:45] spies8jasmine: Okay!
[20:45] spies8mary: I'll see if I can beat you guys to two.

[Mary]

[19:21] spies8cinnamyn: howz it lukkin' boo
[19:23] spies8mary: Hi.
[19:23] spies8mary: Ask Awohali.
[19:23] spies8mary: Then I will fill you in.
[19:24] spies8cinnamyn: ask him wut.? how he iz votin.?
[19:28] spies8mary: His count looks right.
[19:31] spies8cinnamyn: if awohali goez steph will go ballistic
[19:32] spies8mary: Yes.
[19:32] spies8cinnamyn: but more importantly, ballistic on dane/jenny
[19:32] spies8cinnamyn: hahahahahhaha
[19:36] spies8mary: Sorry I'm chatting with Broderick.
[19:36] spies8mary: He wants to know everyone's reasons for votes so I'm filling his head with deliciousness.
[19:36] spies8cinnamyn: i hope gertie stops saving herself so he can go after her
[19:47] spies8cinnamyn: oh my god
[19:49] spies8mary: That's interesting.

[Mary]

[10:49] spies8mary: Hi.
[10:50] spies8claude: Good morning Mary.
[10:50] spies8mary: Who do you think makes sense as a spy with Jenny?
[10:50] spies8claude: Dane
[10:50] spies8claude: Not sure whom else.
[10:50] spies8mary: Dane is pretty obvious, almost too obvious.
[10:51] spies8claude: Better than not obvious enough?
[10:51] spies8claude: IDK
[10:51] spies8mary: Chance obviously makes sense but that would require Gertrude as well.
[10:51] spies8claude: One thing at a time right?
[10:51] spies8mary: Rondak makes sense.
[10:51] spies8claude: Why?
[10:51] spies8mary: And Cinnamyn makes sense.
[10:52] spies8mary: Rondak listed Jenny in his top 4 when I asked.
[10:52] spies8mary: But voted Awohali, who wasn't in his top 4.
[10:52] spies8mary: For stated reason "His attitude towards Jenny's case."
[10:52] spies8claude: Oooooh
[10:52] spies8mary: Why ding Awohali for being mistrustful towards a case of one of your main suspects?
[10:53] spies8claude: Yeah.
[10:53] spies8claude: That reminds me of Isaac.
[10:53] spies8mary: Thank goodness this Senate garbage is almost over.
[10:54] spies8mary: Yes.
[10:54] spies8mary: Isaac and voting the same person his suspect is voting.
[10:55] spies8claude: Reminds me strikingly of that situation
[10:56] spies8mary: One of us will probably be Imprisoned.
[10:56] spies8claude: Maybe
[10:56] spies8claude: I wish it would be Owen or Chance.
[10:56] spies8claude: I'd love some peace of mind regarding them.
[10:57] spies8mary: Yes, either would help.
[10:57] spies8claude: I'm not as sold as everyone else on Owen being a citizen.
[10:57] spies8claude: Chance was telling me that, in Spies6 or something, Jason? bussed half of his team and it ensured that the Spies won.
[10:57] spies8mary: I don't think Gertrude has played well either, but I'll be surprised if she and Chance pulled this gambit together.
[10:57] spies8mary: Jason and Pete both voted for the first two Spies in the first two episodes.
[10:58] spies8mary: Honestly, we didn't give Owen much of a choice.
[10:58] spies8claude: Well, he was heavily involved in Magalie getting lynched, right?
[10:58] spies8mary: We hit him over the head with cases. He would have looked bad to vote any other way.
[10:58] spies8claude: That wagon was definitely a bus.
[10:58] spies8claude: And yeah, he couldn't have done anything but vote Isaac.
[10:58] spies8mary: He was ok on Alexei.
[10:59] spies8mary: Third to the table.
[10:59] spies8claude: He(and Jenny, ironically) claim that he was suspicious of Alexei before Nita/Tina made their case.
[10:59] spies8mary: But the Nita and Tina case was very good and he could have just seen the writing on the wall.
[10:59] spies8mary: No.
[10:59] spies8claude: No?
[10:59] spies8claude: That's what they said
[10:59] spies8mary: I have seen no evidence of that at all.
[10:59] spies8claude: shrug
[10:59] spies8mary: I went looking for it.
[10:59] spies8claude: Well, SpyJenny said it, it must be true!
[10:59] spies8claude: smirk
[10:59] spies8mary: I am sad that Awohali's gone.
[11:00] spies8claude: Cory getting Exiled over Owen is probably relevant, like Chance said.
[11:00] spies8mary: His biggest crime was suspecting Chance.
[11:00] spies8claude: His biggest crime was being a bully.
[11:00] spies8mary: He did get uncharacteristically condescending.
[11:03] spies8claude: He should have come forward sooner, also.
[11:03] spies8mary: Why did you think Jenny was 65% likely to be a Citizen?
[11:03] spies8mary: Yes.
[11:03] spies8mary: He played that completely wrong.
[11:03] spies8claude: I just thought she was probably a citizen, but didn't have alot of confidence in it.
[11:03] spies8claude: I really don't think she was ever overly scummy.
[11:03] spies8claude: And I've met plenty of players that just 'find townies'
[11:05] spies8mary: I think Broderick is probably a Citizen.
[11:05] spies8claude: I think so.
[11:05] spies8mary: Stephenie looks better after last night.
[11:05] spies8mary: If we got one more vote we might have saved Awohali.
[11:05] spies8claude: I didn't have any problems w/ her before.
[11:06] spies8mary: She's been in my middle ground.
[11:07] spies8claude: She's very convinced of her own ideas..even when they're terrible.
[11:07] spies8claude: She's eiter town or a complete genius.
[11:07] spies8mary: Chance attracted nine votes these past two rounds.
[11:07] spies8mary: If he is a Citizen, that is terrible.
[11:08] spies8claude: Chance is terrible
[11:08] spies8claude: shrug
[11:08] spies8mary: I still think he should probably claim mason.
[11:09] spies8mary: So people stop voting him.
[11:09] spies8claude: I think he should too
[11:09] spies8claude: I am tempted to do it for him on literally a daily basis.
[11:09] spies8mary: Those 9 votes are all wasted opportunities to nominate Spies and gather information on unknown interactions.
[11:09] spies8claude: I hate all of these escrets and nonsense.
[11:09] spies8mary: I am too.
[11:10] spies8mary: Maybe we should just do it.
[11:10] spies8mary: All we lose is his respect.
[11:10] spies8mary: Cory agreed with me on this.
[11:10] spies8claude: Yeah.
[11:10] spies8mary: He said Owen did too.
[11:12] spies8mary: The only upside to not claiming is that if they really are masons and survive long enough, it's a win.
[11:12] spies8claude: The longer they survive, the worse I feel about the whole thing
[11:12] spies8mary: The rest of us get picked off for being better scumhunters.
[11:12] spies8claude: Honestly, I really just want some resolution w/ Owen
[11:12] spies8claude: Cory stayed alive until exactly the moment when it could have been ANYONE else that might have been a Spy.
[11:13] spies8claude: Stupid behind the scenes shit.
[11:13] spies8mary: Chance's suspects have been you you you, Magbus, Zedekiah and Awohali.
[11:15] spies8claude: I'm not sure Zed really counts
[11:15] spies8claude: And he was also suspicious of Jasmine
[11:15] spies8claude: Chances suspects consist of: People that have been suspicious of Chance.
[11:15] spies8mary: Chance nominated Zed.
[11:16] spies8claude: That was just to 'give Owen options'
[11:16] spies8mary: If he suspected Kiara and Jenny suspected Zed more, why did they swap votes?
[11:16] spies8mary: And Dane voted Zed for no reason.

[Mary]

[21:41] spies8claude: If I have to pick a liar.
[21:41] spies8claude: I pick Kiara.
[21:50] spies8mary: Hi.
[21:51] spies8claude: Hey Mary.
[21:51] spies8mary: So one of the two has to be lying and probably not both, right?
[21:51] spies8claude: That is how I feel about it.
[21:51] spies8claude: It's possible that Kiara is telling the truth.
[21:51] spies8claude: But it's such a coincidence.
[21:51] spies8mary: What is?
[21:52] spies8mary: That Awohali would get caught lying by a recent roleclaimer?
[21:52] spies8mary: A Citizen lying.
[21:52] spies8claude: That he would bother to lie when he had to assume we would check
[21:52] spies8claude: Kiara's role was well documented, etc.
[21:52] spies8mary: If Awohali was a Citizen with that role, he badly misplayed it, yes?
[21:53] spies8claude: How do you mean
[21:53] spies8mary: If you got a guilty on Jenny what would you do?
[21:54] spies8claude: I dunno.
[21:54] spies8claude: If he would get moreu ses
[21:54] spies8claude: I might try to play it like Awohali did
[21:55] spies8claude: To be fair, he really had no idea that he was getting lynched either
[21:55] spies8claude: Until a couple of hours prior.
[21:55] spies8mary: Didn't Gertrude confirm Chance as a Citizen mason?
[21:55] spies8claude: I think there is a possibility that Sam just super-bastard modded that.
[21:56] spies8claude: I just can't shake the feeling that chance is a spy.
[21:56] spies8claude: Even with his mason claim on the table, everything he does is scummy.
[21:56] spies8mary: Yes.
[21:56] spies8claude: It drives me nuts.
[21:57] spies8mary: With any luck he'll be imprisoned.
[21:57] spies8claude: yeah
[21:57] spies8claude: we could be so lucky.
[21:58] spies8mary: Do you find it odd that Owen's still around?
[21:58] spies8claude: Somewhat
[21:58] spies8mary: Or is that explained by the protective role?
[21:58] spies8claude: restroom brb
[21:58] spies8mary: Ok.
[22:03] spies8claude: back
[22:07] spies8mary: Did Gertrude say who she had been protecting?
[22:08] spies8mary: Because if it was Owen, then it's not the least bit suspect that he's still around.
[22:08] spies8claude: Owen wasn't protected the night that Cory died.
[22:08] spies8claude: So that's the only time that him living is questionable.
[22:08] spies8mary: How do we know that?
[22:09] spies8claude: Gertrude told me.

[Mary]

[21:23] spies8jenny: Hi Mary!
[21:23] spies8mary: Hi.
[21:24] spies8jenny: How are you?
[21:25] spies8mary: Ok.
[21:25] spies8mary: Trying to get caught up on happenings.
[21:25] spies8mary: Did Broderick win his vote back?
[21:25] spies8jenny: Oh you missed a lot of fun times.
[21:27] spies8mary: It looks like either Kiara or Awohali is lying?
[21:27] spies8jenny: has left the chat
[21:35] spies8rondak: g2g
[21:35] spies8rondak: has left the chat
[21:37] spies8jenny: has joined the chat
[21:38] spies8jenny: Well I remember why I never use this computer normally.
[21:47] spies8jenny: has left the chat
[21:49] spies8broderick: back
[21:49] spies8claude: wb
[21:50] spies8broderick: thanks.
[21:51] spies8broderick: Now I need to read all of this chat stuff
[21:53] spies8broderick: Ugh. Gertrude totall fucks up my vote analysis now
[21:54] spies8mary: Remember a week or so ago Broderick, I was suggesting that you find another suspect?
[21:54] spies8broderick: Yeah
[21:54] spies8broderick: You told me to trust you
[21:54] spies8mary: This is what all that bull was about.
[21:54] spies8broderick: lol.
[21:54] spies8mary: Chance was intentionally acting scummy all game.
[21:55] spies8broderick: Meh, Chance I'm not sold on
[21:55] spies8mary: And pulled something like 15 total votes off.
[21:55] spies8broderick: Not sure why you would expect me to trust you anyhow. lol
[21:56] spies8mary: I suggested the same thing to both you and Claude.
[21:56] spies8mary: I found out an episode before he did.
[21:56] spies8broderick: Look at where this has gotten them all.
[21:56] spies8broderick: imprisoned
[21:58] spies8mary: I would like the game to be about spyhunting and not roles.
[21:58] spies8broderick: heh. Makes it even funnier me asking Gertrude if she knew who was immunizing her
[21:58] spies8broderick: I think I even asked her if she was doing it lol
[21:59] spies8broderick: Who did you use your role on Claude?
[22:00] spies8mary: Gertrude seemed to say Chance was a mason partner. Guaranteed Citizen, right?
[22:00] spies8mary: Did you all get the same PM from Gertrude or did Chance forge the one he posted?
[22:00] spies8broderick: It looks the same as the one she sent me
[22:01] spies8mary: So Chance is a Citizen.
[22:01] spies8mary: Where do you see wiggle room in that?
[22:01] spies8broderick: I need to read this chat log, and the PM. I mainly skimmed them and didn't pay attention to here right when the vote get it back thing started
[22:01] spies8mary: Congratulations on your vote, by the way.
[22:01] spies8mary: You put in a lot more effort to get yours than I had to.
[22:02] spies8broderick: Yay thanks. lol
[22:02] spies8broderick: It seems to me that they were angel/devil and could immunize. then after Camilla went, they became masons.
[22:02] spies8broderick: Well, they knew each other's alignments.
[22:03] spies8broderick: Supposedly Sam confirmed one to the other.
[22:03] spies8mary: Then Chance is a Citizen.
[22:03] spies8broderick: *shrug*
[22:03] spies8mary: No two ways about it, if Gertrude was telling the truth.
[22:03] spies8broderick: My gut says no
[22:03] spies8mary: My gut thinks Chance is the scummiest player in the Burg.
[22:04] spies8broderick: She says he isn't a spy. She doesn't say 'sam told me his alignment'
[22:04] spies8claude: She pretty much did.
[22:04] spies8mary: I will have to check old logs of that alliance chat.
[22:04] spies8mary: But I think she's been explicit.
[22:05] spies8broderick: Well to be fair and honest. You can't expect those of us who were not privy to this 'heavenandhell' chat stuff to be on the same wavelength as those who were
[22:06] spies8broderick: "saying 'chance is not a spy'
[22:06] spies8mary: That's what I was trying to get across.
[22:06] spies8broderick: Does not say 'sam told me his alignment, he is not a spy'
[22:06] spies8broderick: Was she told the alignment of both Owen and Claude?
[22:06] spies8mary: I've been under the impression that the only way Chance is a Spy is if Gertrude is.
[22:07] spies8mary: I may have been mistaken, but I think that's correct. And Gertrude is a Cit.
[22:08] spies8broderick: I guess a large part of me is pretty damn pissed off, that I've been voting for Chance for almost half of this game if he is supposedly a confirmed citizen
[22:08] spies8broderick: Huge waste of my time. Same with my time spent on hunting Gertrude
[22:09] spies8mary: Broderick, I believe I told you that I made a two hour case on Chance.
[22:09] spies8mary: The night before exile, and Owen and Cory ignored me and watched TV instead of telling me the truth.
[22:09] spies8broderick: Then you were told about chance/isaac convo's yes?
[22:09] spies8mary: And when I asked why they were so firm they told me "isaac/chance convos"
[22:09] spies8broderick: I dont remember that part
[22:09] spies8mary: And I was suspicious so I asked for details.
[22:09] spies8mary: And it sounded like complete bullshit.
[22:09] spies8broderick: Yeah the convo's.
[22:10] spies8claude: I think Cory just used that as a cover.
[22:10] spies8claude: Because I got nothing from those conversations.
[22:10] spies8mary: So I told Cory he was lying and that his real reason better be right and he told me about Chance's role.
[22:10] spies8broderick: It explains why Chance was much more cit over zed/isaac convos'
[22:10] spies8mary: Right.
[22:10] spies8broderick: Total bullshit though
[22:10] spies8broderick: Zedekiah didn't have to go
[22:11] spies8mary: Kiara claimed.
[22:11] spies8broderick: They could've gone another route
[22:11] spies8claude: what other route?
[22:11] spies8claude: It was chance, kiara, zed, or lawrence.
[22:11] spies8mary: It was Kiara/Zed/Lawrence.
[22:11] spies8broderick: Lawrence was nominated I believe
[22:11] spies8claude: Lawrence was a complete blank that got nominated because he didn't post conversations
[22:11] spies8claude: No way was he getting picked
[22:11] spies8broderick: He was suspected before he got replaced
[22:11] spies8mary: Only Steph really considered switching to Lawrence.
[22:12] spies8claude: I don't remember that.
[22:12] spies8broderick: My point is that look what all of this role stuff has led to
[22:12] spies8broderick: *this role secrecy stuff
[22:12] spies8mary: It led to bad spyhunting.
[22:12] spies8claude: shrug
[22:12] spies8claude: it let exactly where I said it would.
[22:12] spies8claude: + Mary
[22:12] spies8mary: Claude and I have been asking Chance to reveal his role for three episodes.
[22:12] spies8claude: No one wanted to listen though.
[22:12] spies8mary: Because he was sucking votes, but he was more interested in being able to use his role.
[22:12] spies8broderick: Did you know his role last episode Claude?
[22:13] spies8broderick: If so, why waste a vote on him?
[22:13] spies8mary: I can answer that if Claude's afk.
[22:14] spies8claude: I voted him to not make it ridiculously suspicious when I just stopped voting him out of nowhere
[22:14] spies8claude: + he has to have a vote for his ability to work
[22:14] spies8broderick: Kiara voted him
[22:15] spies8claude: I couldn't just stop voting him out of nowhere
[22:15] spies8broderick: You couldn't look for the other spies?
[22:15] spies8broderick: I can't remember who I was talking with, yesterday I think. But it was pretty obvious about Chance. It looked like you were just voting him for the sake of voting him. Like resting on your suspicion of him - but weren't really into it
[22:15] spies8claude: Did I say that I didn't look for other Spies?
[22:16] spies8broderick: You oculdn't of switched your vote to someone else that you thought was a spy?
[22:16] spies8broderick: Who are suspicious of Claude?
[22:16] spies8mary: Claude was in favor of an Awohali exile over Jenny, I believe.
[22:16] spies8claude: Yes, I was.
[22:16] spies8broderick: Ugh. Groupthink
[22:16] spies8mary: It wouldn't have made a difference.
[22:17] spies8broderick: Why him over her?
[22:17] spies8broderick: Collectively, the reasons against Awohali - just plain sucked
[22:17] spies8claude: I felt like the way he bullied Jenny was scummy.
[22:18] spies8claude: And it seemed like someone that had been against chance all along was probably a Spy.
[22:18] spies8claude: And I didn't think it was you nor Mary, so
[22:18] spies8broderick: Those against him, and their rather lackluster cases did not factor in at all?
[22:19] spies8broderick: lol. I just noticed 'viewernotgert'
[22:19] spies8broderick: lol
[22:21] spies8broderick: Who are suspicious of Claude?
[22:21] spies8mary: Crap.
[22:22] spies8mary: I was in a chat room with Stephanie and Awohali but I lost half the conversation.
[22:22] spies8mary: Right before exile, he hinted at his role.
[22:22] spies8claude: Who am I suspicious of right now?
[22:22] spies8mary: About an hour beforehand. And asked us not to say anything.
[22:23] spies8claude: Stephanie was talking about that too.
[22:23] spies8mary: But I don't have that part of the transcript. Hopefully Stephanie does.
[22:23] spies8mary: I remember him saying he was going to have to bring out the big gun.
[22:23] spies8broderick: He told me he was going to reveal something like right before he did in the chat.
[22:23] spies8broderick: Yeah, right now Claude
[22:24] spies8broderick: It was right after I told him the vote tally
[22:24] spies8broderick: Why were you three in a chat together?
[22:24] spies8mary: We were all voting Jenny.
[22:24] spies8mary: And believed it was the correct vote.
[22:25] spies8claude: I'm suspicious of Dane.
[22:25] spies8claude: And I guess Kiara.
[22:25] spies8claude: Though that's only because I don't think Awohali was gambiting
[22:25] spies8claude: Which makes her a liar by default.
[22:25] spies8broderick: spies8broderick (19:38:2):I think you are going to be exiled.Spies8Awohali (19:38:12):I shall not be. I have an Ace left.Spies8Awohali (19:38:31):I did not want to use it, but if Owen, Rondak, or Gertrude does not become available to try to away soon, I will use it.
[22:26] spies8mary: A lie would be out of character for him, I think. Or at least it seemed so. He got bitter towards the end.
[22:26] spies8mary: spies8mary: Sarcasm won't help you tonight.
[17:38] spies8stephanie: ugh
[17:38] Spies8Awohali: I imagine that it will not...
[17:39] Spies8Awohali: Perhaps I can become a different person for tonight, then.
[22:27] spies8broderick: Spies8Awohali (19:43:32):The chat room is about to get very interestingspies8broderick (19:43:46):Oh?Spies8Awohali (19:44:26):Yes.... It is time.
[22:27] spies8broderick: I think he did perhaps get a little bitter, but for reaosns I wont get into
[22:27] spies8broderick: fuck
[22:27] spies8mary: You're green, Broderick.
[22:27] spies8broderick: I know
[22:27] spies8broderick: Awohali was saying hello from the dead
[22:27] spies8mary: Osiyo.
[22:28] spies8mary: Regardless of role nonsense, who is scummiest?
[22:28] spies8claude: Chance
[22:28] spies8claude: but oh well on that.
[22:29] spies8mary: Dane was 5th on the Alexei wagon and has protected Jenny all game, and Chance for no explicable reason.
[22:29] spies8claude: Kiara/Awohali has to be resolved, especially considering that another person's alignment is tied into it.
[22:29] spies8broderick: After he seemed to be resigned to his fate, gave me words of wisdom lol
[22:29] spies8mary: Can you share?
[22:29] spies8broderick: Basically told me to ignore people trying to get a rise out of me lol
[22:30] spies8mary: If Awohali had that role he should have claimed his result far earlier.
[22:30] spies8claude: What he should have done isn't that relevant
[22:30] spies8mary: If he did not have that role he should have told someone about his gambit in case.
[22:30] spies8mary: True.
[22:31] spies8broderick: I have been in his situation before, and had to do similar - but it worked out for me.
[22:31] spies8broderick: So, I don't and didn't find it wrong for him to try and get her lynched without revealing
[22:32] spies8mary: Do you think he lied, Broderick?
[22:32] spies8broderick: I don't
[22:33] spies8mary: This Senate twist is stupid.
[22:33] spies8mary: What if the three nominators are all Spies?
[22:33] spies8claude: It's over at the end of this episode anyway
[22:33] spies8claude: That sucks.
[22:34] spies8broderick: As long as Jenny is nominated, its cool lol
[22:34] spies8claude: What can we do about it?
[22:34] spies8claude: Hambone said he'll nominate Jenny if he doesn't get his vote back
[22:34] spies8mary: Dane won't.
[22:34] spies8claude: Obv.
[22:34] spies8mary: Who else is left?
[22:34] spies8claude: I really hope Dane is the one that ends up w/ no vote.
[22:34] spies8broderick: Yeah. He was debating on getting his vote back, just to be able to nominate her
[22:34] spies8broderick: Jasmine, Dane, Hambone, Jenny
[22:34] spies8mary: Oh.
[22:34] spies8mary: Then Jenny will almost certainly be nominated.
[22:35] spies8broderick: Jasmine might
[22:35] spies8mary: Because Jasmine says she suspects her.
[22:35] spies8broderick: Still one more to get their vote back
[22:35] spies8mary: And Hambone.
[22:35] spies8mary: Who does Dane suspect?
[22:35] spies8broderick: Bscially all three have to nom some one different, or have a second option
[22:35] spies8mary: Jenny will nominate Rondak.
[22:36] spies8broderick: You missed this claude.. Who did you use your role on Claude?
[22:36] spies8claude: No one.
[22:36] spies8mary: I hope you used it on a nominator this time.
[22:37] spies8mary: Wait.
[22:37] spies8broderick: I was hoping you used it on Jenny
[22:37] spies8claude: I thought about it.
[22:37] spies8mary: How many times have you not used it now?
[22:37] spies8claude: But seemed pointless.
[22:37] spies8claude: 2
[22:37] spies8claude: or 3
[22:37] spies8mary: And that's not a requirement of your role?
[22:37] spies8mary: You're choosing not to?
[22:37] spies8claude: nah
[22:37] spies8claude: I forgot once
[22:37] spies8claude: The other 2 times I chose not to.
[22:38] spies8mary: Do you have all three to choose from right now?
[22:38] spies8claude: No, just 2.
[22:38] spies8claude: I can't direct anyone
[22:38] spies8mary: What are the two again?
[22:38] spies8mary: Their effects, not the names.
[22:38] spies8claude: I can prevent a person from voting at all, or prevent a person from voting 2 people of my choice.
[22:39] spies8mary: Why wouldn't you prevent Jenny from voting at all?
[22:39] spies8claude: She's dying anyway
[22:39] spies8claude: why waste the use.
[22:39] spies8broderick: Not as certain as it was before
[22:39] spies8claude: She's still dying.
[22:40] spies8broderick: lol
[22:40] spies8broderick: How can you be so certain?
[22:40] spies8claude: I've talked to various people
[22:40] spies8claude: The only people that want her to live are chance, herself, and obviously kiara
[22:40] spies8claude: oh and Dane I'm sure
[22:41] spies8mary: I wonder if we can bribe the Spies to take Chance next Imprisonment.
[22:41] spies8claude: snicker
[22:42] spies8mary: I have a box full of silver dollars.
[22:42] spies8claude: If we just go on like we completely believe him
[22:42] spies8broderick: lol
[22:42] spies8claude: then maybe it won't occur to them to keep him aorund
[22:42] spies8mary: I'm in for 20.
[22:42] spies8broderick: So he'll be actually spy hunting now?
[22:42] spies8claude: ...
[22:42] spies8mary: Oh, Broderick.
[22:42] spies8mary: Last episode.
[22:42] spies8mary: I threatened Chance.
[22:42] spies8mary: I told him that unless he made a good case on someone
[22:42] spies8mary: I would out him and his role publicly.
[22:43] spies8mary: He wrote me a dirty PM.
[22:43] spies8mary: And then later he sent me that case on Awohali.
[22:43] spies8broderick: His case on Awohali, was lack luster.
[22:43] spies8mary: That's being polite.
[22:43] spies8mary: It was terrible.
[22:43] spies8mary: It was "he voted me after agreeing with me on two things".
[22:43] spies8claude: I'm just happy that he's outed, Ifeel like I get to play again
[22:43] spies8mary: Yes.
[22:43] spies8mary: Everyone does.
[22:43] spies8broderick: lol
[22:44] spies8broderick: I think telling Kiara was a big mistake
[22:44] spies8mary: I told Gertrude that Chance was wrecking the game and she got very angry.
[22:44] spies8broderick: Should of kept it secret, then she could check Gertrude for shits and giggles and be tested
[22:45] spies8broderick: She was pretty protective of him since early one
[22:45] spies8broderick: *on
[22:45] spies8broderick: I started thinking one of them must of had a role because of that
[22:45] spies8broderick: Or they were both sloppy spies
[22:46] spies8claude: I always believed Gert.
[22:46] spies8claude: I was mildly suspicious of her early on
[22:46] spies8claude: but only for about a day.
[22:49] spies8mary: Chance attracted 21 votes in 6 episodes.
[22:50] spies8mary: I guess he's in this room so I shouldn't be too mean.
[22:53] spies8claude: You have to be pretty scummy for a mason claim to not completely convince people about you.
[22:54] spies8claude: But anyway.
[22:59] spies8chance: love you guys too.
[23:00] spies8broderick: lol
[23:01] spies8broderick: why was kiara told?
[23:01] spies8broderick: Even though people werent sdure it was the right move like right after she revealed
[23:02] spies8broderick: *claimed
[23:02] spies8chance: for the record, i think the last four spies are jenny, rondak, owen, and jasmine. not that anyone's going to listen to me, since i'm apparently 'worthless' and 'the most scummy player in the game'.
[23:02] spies8chance: you'll likely get your wish, by the way. i don't see myself not being imprisoned.
[23:02] spies8chance: so hey. when i'm gone, you guys can have fun again.
[23:02] spies8chance: sound good?
[23:02] spies8broderick: oh reminds me
[23:02] spies8broderick: one sec
[23:03] spies8chance: but i don't know where kiara fits into the above four. she could be a cit and awohali just lied.
[23:03] spies8chance: but hey, that's for you three to figure out.
[23:03] spies8broderick: why just awohali flipping point to jasmine?
[23:03] spies8broderick: ;*does
[23:03] spies8broderick: *er make her more suspicious
[23:03] spies8chance: i already explained that. go back and look.
[23:04] spies8broderick: that is rude
[23:04] spies8chance: i don't care. you three were all extremely rude just now.
[23:06] spies8broderick: How?
[23:06] spies8broderick: By saying i dont think you're a cit?
[23:07] spies8chance: basically everything you, mary, and claude have said in the past fifteen minutes is a slam against me. i don't particularly want to get into it.
[23:07] spies8chance: but gertie flipping confirms me as cit. if you're hung up on that then you're not as smart as i thought you were.
[23:07] spies8broderick: How does Gertrude flipping confirm you?
[23:07] spies8claude: It confirms that Sam told her you're a citizen
[23:07] spies8claude: Which obviously carries alot of weight.
[23:08] spies8claude: But you're still unbelievably scummy
[23:08] spies8claude: And if you're still alive 3 imprisonments from now..shrug
[23:08] spies8broderick: No it doesn't.
[23:08] spies8claude: Yes, it does.
[23:08] spies8broderick: Unless you can show me Gertrude saying 'Sam told me Chance was a citizen'.
[23:08] spies8claude: The only other option is 'Sam is the biggest Bastard Mod ever'
[23:08] spies8claude: She did say that.
[23:08] spies8claude: As I already told you.
[23:08] spies8broderick: Then it doesn't really confirm anything.
[23:08] spies8broderick: Where?
[23:09] spies8claude: In one of those heaven and hell chats
[23:09] spies8claude: or in one of the personal chats we had
[23:09] spies8claude: IDK
[23:09] spies8claude: She said it.
[23:09] spies8broderick: Well, I'm not just going to take your word for it lol
[23:09] spies8claude: She said that their message in their subforum is to 'work together to help the citizens win'
[23:09] spies8claude: Why on Earth would I lie about something like that?
[23:09] spies8broderick: Why would a citizen purposefully act scummy?
[23:09] spies8broderick: Why do spies lie?
[23:10] spies8broderick: Why do citizens lie?
[23:10] spies8claude: Because his role says he has to?
[23:10] spies8claude: shrug
[23:10] spies8claude: everyone lies in mafia
[23:10] spies8claude: Even citizens sometimes, sadly.
[23:10] spies8chance: from the conversation gertie and i were having right as sam posted in our confessionals that we were made masons -
[23:10] spies8chance: spies8gertrude 8:10 pm
I would.
spies8chance 8:12 pm
and did.
spies8gertrude 8:12 pm
You are now masons with Chance.
LOL.
Ok, awesome.
spies8chance 8:12 pm
SERIOUSLY?
:-D :-D :-D
[23:11] spies8chance: it was pretty funny at the time.
[23:11] spies8claude: He's not doubting that you're masons.
[23:11] spies8claude: Just that you're a citizen.
[23:11] spies8chance: ....cause that makes sense.
[23:11] spies8claude: lol
[23:11] spies8broderick: So you knew each other had a role before you were made masons?
[23:11] spies8claude: Because your role as you explained it makes any more sense?
[23:11] spies8chance: nah, she figured out i had one and i claimed to her.
[23:12] spies8broderick: That early in the game?
[23:12] spies8chance: yep.
[23:12] spies8claude: How did she figure it out?
[23:12] spies8chance: i asked her to trade votes with me.
[23:12] spies8broderick: So you only got a private forum, once you became masons?
[23:12] spies8chance: yes.
[23:12] spies8claude: trade votes w/ you?
[23:12] spies8broderick: Why did you ask to trade votes?
[23:12] spies8chance: so i could use my power.
[23:12] spies8chance: i asked mary first, actually.
[23:12] spies8claude: you just asked them to vote you out of nowhere?
[23:13] spies8chance: yep.
[23:13] spies8broderick: such anti-town play from 'citizen's
[23:13] spies8broderick: ugh
[23:13] spies8claude: lol
[23:13] spies8claude: Guess you just got really lucky that neither seems to be a Spy. :-(
[23:13] spies8broderick: Just give me some cyanide or something. jesus christ
[23:13] spies8chance: if i could, i would.
[23:13] viewernotgert: ^
[23:13] spies8chance: it'd finally shut you up.
[23:13] spies8broderick: If the spies win because of all this role secrecy stuff, I'm going to be super pissed
[23:13] JinjosandJiggies: has joined the chat
[23:13] spies8broderick: And personally blame each and every one of you for essentially throwing the game
[23:14] spies8chance: blame is what you're good at.
[23:14] spies8broderick: Keep it coming chance
[23:14] spies8broderick: come on.
[23:14] spies8broderick: get it out
[23:14] spies8chance: hahahaha.
[23:14] spies8chance: you're retarded, you know.
[23:14] spies8broderick: Maybe then you would actually spy hunt
[23:14] spies8broderick: come on
[23:14] spies8broderick: giving you free shots chance
[23:14] spies8broderick: get it out of your system
[23:14] spies8broderick: No?
[23:15] spies8broderick: Alright, then knock it off
[23:15] spies8chance: ...someone, please, kill him.
[23:15] spies8chance: you're such a fucking asshole and a) you don't know it or b) you're too dense to see it.
[23:15] spies8chance: either way i don't want to deal with your stupidity tonight.
[23:15] spies8chance: later.
[23:15] spies8broderick: How am I an asshole?
[23:15] spies8chance: has left the chat
[23:15] spies8broderick: For getting pissed off about essentially wasting a large portion of this game, on supposedly nothing?
[23:16] spies8claude: I can't say much about your reaction.
[23:16] spies8claude: I was about 30 seconds from quitting when I found out.
[23:16] spies8claude: The idea of a town role that forces you to act scummy is just almost unimaginable to me.
[23:16] spies8claude: It just completely imbalances the town.
[23:16] spies8broderick: It isn't even really that.
[23:17] spies8claude: It's like a stupid jester :-(
[23:17] spies8broderick: It is the fact that a large portion of the players decided to stunt their playing or alter it, because of role related things
[23:17] spies8claude: roles that punish the town for doing what they're supposed to..blah.
[23:19] spies8broderick: I actually think I've heard of a different kind of role, which 'forces you to be scummy'
[23:19] spies8broderick: Can't really remember where I saw it at though
[23:20] spies8broderick: If anyone else is a citizen who was intentionally acting scummy, they should really say so no. Or just vote for themself
[23:21] spies8broderick: *now
[23:21] spies8claude: lol
[23:21] spies8broderick: 10 citizens : 4 spies.
[23:22] spies8broderick: Hopefully 9: 3 after the exile
[23:22] spies8broderick: There really isn't all that much wiggle room for mistakes
[23:26] spies8broderick: Does anyone know why Kiara was told, since even those who switched to save her were not confident in it - like not long after doing ig
[23:26] spies8claude: To be fair, we were confident at first.
[23:27] spies8claude: But now that it's her word against a confirmed town..shrug
[23:27] spies8claude: The way that she was feeling me out last night also bugged me.
[23:27] spies8broderick: Well right after she claimed and that exile, it didn't seem like even Cory and Owen were feeling right about it
[23:28] spies8broderick: Why not keep Chance/Gertrude a secret and test Kiara on it for the future?
[23:28] spies8broderick: What do you mean by feeling you out?
[23:28] spies8broderick: Copping for a feel?
[23:28] spies8claude: Like..probing me as to why we believed her claim.
[23:28] spies8claude: My thoughts on Jenny, etc.
[23:28] spies8claude: Questions that I don't really understand why a citizen would ask.
[23:29] spies8broderick: hmm
[23:29] spies8broderick: I'm still hung up on what I asked Sam.
[23:29] spies8broderick: and her reaction to me saying it to her
[23:29] spies8claude: Yeah.
[23:30] spies8claude: That is bothersome.

[Mary]

[11:26] spies8mary: Hi.
[11:26] spies8kiara: hey mary
[11:27] spies8mary: Sorry I missed your message last night. I was sleeping.
[11:28] spies8kiara: its ok, nothing important. brodericks stubborn stupidity was overwhelming me and i was looking for someone more intelligent to talk to lol
[11:28] spies8mary: What was your question?
[11:29] spies8mary: I don't think that Broderick asking that question about the role actions and teams is necessarily scummy.
[11:29] spies8mary: It's a question I could easily see a good Citizen asking.
[11:30] spies8kiara: yeah, if they were role fishing. like if he said 'i asked because i wanted to know if claude had to pick someone from our team' or something then maybe. but his reason was pretty much 'just cuz;
[11:31] spies8mary: I assumed his reason was to see if you were lying about your role.
[11:31] spies8mary: But I guess I can see a Spy asking that too. It swings both ways.
[11:31] spies8kiara: he said he asked like ep2
[11:32] spies8mary: Oh, really?
[11:32] spies8kiara: ya
[11:32] spies8mary: That's more interesting.
[11:32] spies8mary: Because only the Doctor and Allan were known roles then, right?
[11:33] spies8kiara: i dont know exactly when he asked. claude may have claimed at that time. but if it was before that then the doctor would be the only role in question because allans didnt target anyone
[11:35] spies8kiara: spies8broderick 6:54 pm
K. Well I asked Sam a couple episodes ago if role holders were bound by the team division.
He said no
spies8kiara 6:55 pm
um, maybe thats because there werent teams anymore? and why were you asking this question a couple episodes ago?
spies8broderick 6:56 pm
I asked the question when there was a team division
spies8kiara 6:56 pm
y?
spies8broderick 6:56 pm
It doesn't matter why.
[11:36] spies8kiara: spies8broderick 7:00 pm
At the time there was a theory that the doc was on the republican team, and would only be saving those on their team.
[11:36] spies8kiara: he even says it himself there. rolefishing
[11:38] spies8kiara: this was in the public chat last round if you want to read the whole thing
[11:38] spies8mary: He was looking for the doctor.
[11:39] spies8kiara: which i think is kind of scummy
[11:39] spies8mary: Everyone was curious about the doctor, I'm sure.
[11:40] spies8mary: Did he ask any questions trying to see if you were the doctor?
[11:40] spies8kiara: no
[11:40] spies8mary: That would be more of a Spy tell for me.
[11:40] spies8mary: Also, did his words in group chat narrow down the doctor publicly?
[11:40] spies8mary: Because that would also be Spyish.
[11:42] spies8kiara: well, since hes saying sam said no, then not really because if theres no limitations it doesnt narrow it down. it just seems like a percular question to me, and his complete unwillingness to explain it even a little bothers me
[11:43] spies8mary: How would you convince me that you're a Citizen with your role and not a Spy with your role?
[11:44] spies8mary: I feel like most of the things you've released are things a Spy with that role might know.
[11:45] spies8mary: I think it's really weird that Awohali would just lie about having a role. It didn't seem like his character.
[11:46] spies8kiara: the guessing of the alignment part. if i was a spy with this role, it would be pointless because i know who the spies and citizens are. so if i am a spy im lying about that. but all that does it give me more things that i would need to remember and come up with rationizations for and whatnot. it would be easier to just say i get 1 each round, period. and i agree with the awohali thing, it is weird. i do have a theory about it though
[11:46] spies8mary: Yes, I expect a Spy would lie a little about their role to make it look more Citizen.
[11:47] spies8kiara: after cory saved gabe he lost his doctor power, right? maybe the same thing happen with awohali (he did say it was a one shot deal) and thats why he came up clean. im probably going check cory next round and see what he comes up as
[11:47] spies8mary: You should ask Sam for clarification.
[11:48] spies8kiara: true, but ive been point with everything ive said and all the timing and everything, so if it is a lie its damn elaborate
[11:48] spies8mary: A role is a role even if it's no longer active.
[11:48] spies8kiara: i doubt he would answer, but i can try
[11:48] spies8mary: A Spy with that role would try to play it like a Citizen too all along, right? And drop hints that they have the role?
[11:49] spies8mary: Jason did that really well in Spies 6.
[11:49] spies8kiara: i never dropped any hints
[11:49] spies8mary: Gertrude seemed to think you were conscious of roles when you chatted with her at one point, I think.
[11:49] spies8mary: I think she mentioned that around episode 4.
[11:50] spies8mary: Anyhow, who do you think the Spies are?
[11:50] spies8mary: My list is Jenny, Cinnamyn, Rondak, and maybe Dane or Lawrence.
[11:51] spies8kiara: jenny, dane, claude/owen/you, and maybe rondak or broderick
[11:51] spies8mary: Why Claude/Owen/me?
[11:51] spies8kiara: i think its highly likely theres a spy in the heaven & hell group, chance being the only clear one
[11:52] spies8mary: Why highly likely?
[11:53] spies8kiara: allegedly gertrude forgot to send in her save pick last round. yet cory goes? maybe if owen was immune. maybe. but otherwise why cory?
[11:53] spies8mary: Because he was smart?
[11:53] spies8mary: Because he was on to several Spies?
[11:54] spies8mary: Because someone knew he was the doctor?
[11:54] spies8kiara: how would someone other than us know?
[11:54] spies8mary: Know which one?
[11:54] spies8kiara: he was the doctor
[11:54] spies8mary: That he was the doctor?
[11:55] spies8mary: I don't know. As far as I know, only six of us knew. I think six.
[11:55] spies8mary: Stephanie, you, me, Chance, Owen, Claude?
[11:55] spies8kiara: stephanie?
[11:55] spies8mary: Didn't she know?
[11:56] spies8kiara: if she did i was unaware
[11:56] spies8mary: I'll have to check my logs.
[12:01] spies8mary: spies8owen: Steph doesn't believe that Cory is the doctor.
[12:02] spies8kiara: so she didnt know
[12:02] spies8kiara: or did someone tell he and she didnt believe?
[12:02] spies8mary: No, they told her and she said she didn't buy it.
[12:02] spies8kiara: oh
[12:02] spies8kiara: well, that chances things a bit
[12:03] spies8mary: spies8owen: Steph and I thinks there's something up.
spies8owen: With me, you, Cory.
[12:04] spies8mary: What do you think of Cinnamyn?
[12:05] spies8kiara: i wouldnt be surprised if she was a spy, but right now i have no real strong reason to think she is
[12:05] spies8mary: Have you followed her suspects?
[12:05] spies8mary: To know if you agree with her?
[12:05] spies8mary: Or think she has good reasons?
[12:06] spies8kiara: to date nothing she has ever said really jumped out at me. even when she was grilling me and saying she found me suspicious she was making good points. but honestly i couldnt tell you exactly who her suspects are right now
[12:06] spies8mary: Ok.
[12:07] spies8mary: I think her case on Awohali was better than her case on you, which sucked.

[Mary]

[09:17] spies8jasmine: Hey Mary
[09:17] spies8jasmine: How are you?
[09:19] spies8mary: Hi.
[09:19] spies8mary: I'm ok.
[09:20] spies8mary: I hope Jenny is a spy.
[09:20] spies8jasmine: She is.
[09:20] spies8jasmine: She has to be.
[09:20] spies8mary: How are you?
[09:20] spies8jasmine: What did yuo think of Gertrude's stuff before she left?
[09:20] spies8jasmine: And I'm pretty good!
[09:20] spies8mary: Gertrude told me some of that a few weeks ago.
[09:20] spies8mary: I'm glad you're good. It's a pretty day here.
[09:21] spies8mary: The clouds are low and make you want to hug them.
[09:21] spies8mary: They look like cotton candy from an evil circus.
[11:11] spies8jasmine: :-)
[11:11] spies8jasmine: Mary, your so interesting
[11:11] spies8jasmine: Sorry i died on you earlier.
[11:11] spies8jasmine: I fell asleep.
[11:11] spies8mary: It's ok.
[11:11] spies8jasmine: I have a small hangover.
[11:11] spies8jasmine: It's gone now though, I think.
[11:11] spies8mary: What were you hanging from?
[11:11] spies8jasmine: A pole.
[11:11] spies8mary: That sounds interesting.
[11:11] spies8jasmine: It was, I was in just underwear.
[11:12] spies8mary: I accidentally went into a tavern one day and there was a girl on a pole.
[11:12] spies8jasmine: Really. :-)
[11:12] spies8jasmine: Thats cool Mary
[11:12] spies8mary: And someone bought me a drink with bubbles.
[11:12] spies8jasmine: Did you drink it?
[11:12] spies8mary: It made me see tiny gargoyles flying around.
[11:12] spies8mary: Yes.
[11:12] spies8jasmine: That is very cool.
[11:12] spies8jasmine: Did you throw up?
[11:12] spies8mary: But then the girl on the pole took off her clothes, which I see plenty of at my job.
[11:12] spies8mary: No.
[11:12] spies8mary: But I did get lost on the way home.
[11:13] spies8mary: And ended up in someone else's house.
[11:13] spies8mary: They're lucky I didn't icepick them.
[11:14] spies8jasmine: What happened at the house?
[11:14] spies8jasmine: Was it a man's house?
[11:14] spies8mary: No.
[11:14] spies8mary: It was a nice lady.
[11:14] spies8jasmine: Was she the one on the pole?
[11:14] spies8mary: She offered me another drink with bubbles and a seat on her couch but I declined.
[11:15] spies8mary: I saw that Broderick was a jerk to you again.
[11:15] spies8mary: That guy needs a lobotomy like no one's business.
[11:15] spies8jasmine: mmhmm girl.
[11:15] spies8mary: I think it'd make him a lot nicer.
[11:15] spies8jasmine: Me too.
[11:15] spies8jasmine: I want to punch him in the face
[11:15] spies8mary: Disconnect his frontal lobe from the parts of the brain that process and induce rage.
[11:15] spies8mary: Yes.
[11:16] spies8mary: That might fix it too if you try hard enough.
[11:16] spies8mary: Do you like Claude?
[11:16] spies8jasmine: He's okay.
[11:16] spies8jasmine: he's changed though.
[11:16] spies8jasmine: He use to be a lot more talkative.
[11:16] spies8mary: Yes.
[11:16] spies8mary: He's depressed now.
[11:16] spies8jasmine: It's very sad to see.
[11:16] spies8mary: Because his white whale is gone.
[11:17] spies8jasmine: Gertrude?
[11:17] spies8mary: Chance.
[11:17] spies8mary: He can't exile Chance anymore.
[11:17] spies8mary: Claude was Captain Ahab.
[11:17] spies8mary: And Chance was the white whale.
[11:17] spies8mary: Now Claude is just a depressed old bum from Hee Haw.
[11:18] spies8mary: Claude was nice enough to give me another free therapy session. Did you see it?
[11:18] spies8jasmine: No
[11:18] spies8jasmine: When was this one posted?
[11:19] spies8mary: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=885
[11:20] spies8jasmine: ...

[11:22] spies8mary: What have you been up to lately?
[11:22] spies8jasmine: :-) Nothing much Mary.
[11:23] spies8jasmine: When is your next therapy session?
[11:23] spies8mary: Probably next week. Claude said he's busy.
[11:23] spies8jasmine: Oh okay.
[11:23] spies8jasmine: Well.
[11:23] spies8mary: Hopefully I'm still allowed to post by then.
[11:23] spies8jasmine: Do you think you will be?
[11:23] spies8jasmine: Do you think Jenny is leaving tonight?
[11:23] spies8jasmine: Or whenever eile is.
[11:23] spies8jasmine: exile*
[11:23] spies8mary: I don't know.
[11:23] spies8mary: And I don't know.
[11:24] spies8mary: I think I am better at catching Spies than most of the people left but who knows.
[11:24] spies8mary: I had fun.
[11:24] spies8mary: I wish we had exiled Jenny instead of Awohali. I miss him.
[11:26] spies8jasmine: I wish Awohali said is information before 15 minutes of the exile.
[11:26] spies8jasmine: People needed more time then that to swap to her.
[11:26] spies8mary: Yes, it was dumb.
[11:26] spies8mary: He hinted to Stephanie and me about an hour earlier.
[11:26] spies8mary: But made us promise not to say anything.
[11:27] spies8jasmine: Well she is going to be exield this round, so I think it'll be okay.
[11:27] spies8jasmine: im wondering who else will be nominated though.
[11:27] spies8jasmine: like who else i should cosnider
[11:27] spies8jasmine: putting in my "paratheesis"
[11:27] spies8jasmine: or whatever sam said.
[11:27] spies8mary: Dane, Hambone, you and Jenny are the only nominators left.
[11:27] spies8mary: Right?
[11:29] spies8jasmine: Yes.
[11:29] spies8jasmine: And one of us will get our vote back a few minutes before nominating
[11:29] spies8jasmine: cancelling out our nominations.
[11:29] spies8mary: Hambone and you want Jenny.
[11:29] spies8mary: Jenny wants Rondak, I think.
[11:30] spies8mary: Dane is starting to drop his protection of Jenny.
[11:30] spies8jasmine: We just need to make sure Dane/Hambone, at least one of them votes for her.
[11:30] spies8mary: I think he would be a good choice.
[11:30] spies8jasmine: I don't want it to seem like she will automaticlaly go up there
[11:30] spies8mary: Hambone is obsessed with her.
[11:30] spies8jasmine: so when i get my vote back
[11:30] spies8jasmine: or if hambone does
[11:30] spies8jasmine: the girl isnt nominated.
[11:30] spies8mary: Just list her as #1 with someone else as your #2.
[11:30] spies8mary: That should cover it.
[11:32] spies8jasmine: Yes. I'm going to post
[11:32] spies8jasmine: on the board
[11:32] spies8jasmine: that im doing that
[11:32] spies8jasmine: but hambone needs to as well
[11:32] spies8jasmine: in case one of us wins our vote back
[11:32] spies8jasmine: we dont want to assume she'll be up
[11:32] spies8jasmine: by just one vote.
[11:33] spies8mary: My spy list is Jenny, Rondak, Cinnamyn, and I'm not sure on the last one.
[11:33] spies8mary: Maybe Dane. Maybe Lawrence.
[11:33] spies8jasmine: I don't think Cinnamyn is a spy.
[11:34] spies8mary: What makes you say that?
[11:34] spies8jasmine: I really think she is a citizen.
[11:34] spies8jasmine: My list is
[11:34] spies8jasmine: jenny
[11:34] spies8jasmine: stephanie
[11:34] spies8jasmine: dane
[11:34] spies8jasmine: and maybe kiara.
[11:35] spies8mary: Stephanie seems kind of Citizenish to me.
[11:35] spies8mary: She's always asking questions.
[11:35] spies8jasmine: I don't think so.
[11:35] spies8jasmine: The thing that makes me suspcious about her
[11:35] spies8jasmine: is that she ddint vote for alexei, voted with alexei for dane--someone i think is another spy.
[11:35] spies8jasmine: Possibly to divert suspion.
[11:35] spies8jasmine: and then i also think
[11:35] spies8jasmine: the way she tried to protect zedekiah when he was here
[11:35] spies8jasmine: on the republcian side, and also afterwards
[11:35] spies8jasmine: was a plan for her.
[11:36] spies8jasmine: To team up with a citizen, to make herself look more like a citizen.
[11:36] spies8jasmine: I just don't trust her at all.
[11:36] spies8mary: Kiara is asking me about Broderick right now.
[11:36] spies8mary: I think Broderick is a jerky Citizen.
[11:36] spies8mary: She thinks he's a spy, I think.
[11:36] spies8jasmine: I think he is a citizen as well.
[11:36] spies8jasmine: Even though he is annoying as fuck.
[11:37] spies8jasmine: And always on my case about nothing.
[11:37] spies8mary: Really annoying.
[11:37] spies8jasmine: he is someone i think is a cit as well.
[11:37] spies8jasmine: I think if we get down to only one spy left.
[11:37] spies8jasmine: You and me mary, we need to kill broderick ourselves.
[11:37] spies8jasmine: a double act, not an imprisonment
[11:37] spies8jasmine: or an exile
[11:37] spies8jasmine: just our own way
[11:37] spies8jasmine: kill him
[11:37] spies8jasmine: for being a jerk.
[11:37] spies8mary: You can borrow an icepick.
[11:37] spies8jasmine: Okay.
[11:38] spies8mary: I have a big collection.
[11:38] spies8mary: You can have the one with the glass handle.
[11:38] spies8jasmine: How many do you have?
[11:38] spies8jasmine: I need to shower. I smell.
[11:38] spies8jasmine: Ill be back in a bit.
[11:39] spies8mary: I have about 10.
[11:39] spies8mary: I'l see you later.

[Mary]

[08:09] spies8mary: Hi.
[08:09] spies8broderick: Hey Mary
[08:09] spies8mary: Looks like a boring weekend in Spies.
[08:10] spies8mary: I just caught up on the forums and group chats.
[08:10] spies8broderick: Yes
[08:10] spies8broderick: Slow, very slow
[08:10] spies8mary: Investigations do that.
[08:10] spies8mary: So does this Senate twist.
[08:10] spies8broderick: I found some excitement with Dane last night though. lol
[08:10] spies8mary: Oh?
[08:11] spies8broderick: I think I got him to use the f word about fifty times, by asking him why he was voting for Jenny.
[08:11] spies8broderick: rofl
[08:11] spies8mary: Why is he voting for Jenny?
[08:11] spies8broderick: Because it is obvious. A W O H A L I and his role
[08:11] spies8mary: I will have to go back and read his attitude at the last exile to see if he was consistent.
[08:12] spies8broderick: " " should go around that
[08:12] spies8broderick: I understand his perspective slightly that it should be obvious that people will vote for Jenny because of Awohali.
[08:12] spies8broderick: but from my perspective, it isn't so cut and dry. Like almost every one else I've talked to, has had the Awohali thing in there and other reasons.
[08:13] spies8mary: Jenny is probably the second scummiest person in the Burg.
[08:14] spies8mary: Moreso than Dane or Rondak at this point. Although Rondak is pretty scummy at this point.
[08:14] spies8mary: Dane seems to have somewhat more consistent suspicions.
[08:15] spies8mary: Rondak doesn't seem to have any sense of conviction whatsoever.
[08:16] spies8mary: Did I lose you?
[08:19] spies8broderick: Sorry, still here. Just doing work stuff
[08:19] spies8mary: Ok.
[08:20] spies8mary: I started talking with Dane to see who he suspects.
[08:20] spies8broderick: I agree with those three. But I don't think Jenny/Dane/Rondak as a spy threesome work
[08:22] spies8mary: What's your take on Dane?
[08:22] spies8mary: Clearly he underapplied himself until this weekend.
[08:22] spies8broderick: lol.
[08:24] spies8broderick: Dane, aside from total lack of contribution and piss poor time management skills. Kind of neutral if I ignore Jenny's defense/love points on him.
[08:24] spies8broderick: I think I've had maybe three/four conversations with him the entire game.
[08:25] spies8mary: Who have each of them protected?
[08:25] spies8mary: Sorry, wrong window.
[08:25] spies8broderick: Its K
[08:28] spies8mary: Do you think Cinnamyn's swings on Awohali were reasonable?
[08:28] spies8mary: She seemed to pull suspicions of him up pretty suddenly.
[08:29] spies8broderick: Not really no
[08:29] spies8broderick: I think she was jumping on wagons
[08:29] spies8broderick: or just name popularity
[08:29] spies8mary: Thing is, she posted a way better case than Chance did.
[08:29] spies8broderick: It was still bad
[08:29] spies8mary: And those were the only two people that posted against him, I think.
[08:29] spies8mary: Yes.
[08:30] spies8mary: There were only one or two decent points and I think he refuted them well.
[08:30] spies8broderick: Actual cases yeah. Jenny said she was voting him for a reason in the vote thread
[08:30] spies8mary: Owen and Cinnamyn suspected Kiara most the previous exile.
[08:31] spies8mary: And then dropped her even though I don't think they believe her role.
[08:31] spies8broderick: Sorry. Got to log off here. cya
[08:31] spies8mary: Ok.
[08:31] spies8broderick: I dunno if they completely dropped her, well I'd have to look

[Mary]

[08:17] spies8mary: Hi.
[08:18] spies8dane: Hi
[08:18] spies8dane: typing up a case, so I'm a little distracted at the moment
[08:18] spies8mary: Ok.
[08:18] spies8dane: but feel free to ask
[08:18] spies8mary: Who do you think the final four Spies are?
[08:19] spies8dane: jenny, broderick, jasmine, kiara, rondak, and cinnamyn are my current pool
[08:20] spies8dane: not sure which team of 4 really fits yet
[08:20] spies8mary: I agree with that pool.
[08:20] spies8dane: cool :-)
[08:20] spies8mary: You have not played the game much but your suspicions have seemed better founded than Jenny's and more consistent than Rondak's.
[08:21] spies8mary: I think you've underapplied yourself, which is the most suspicious thing about you.
[08:21] spies8dane: :-\ I'm tired of having to argue time put into the game, so I'll let that slide
[08:21] spies8mary: It's ok. Sometimes you just don't have the time.
[08:21] spies8dane: not the point i was making
[08:21] spies8mary: I wanted to log in this weekend but people wouldn't really let me.
[08:21] spies8dane: I was on 23 hours over the weekend
[08:21] spies8dane: usually I was the only one on
[08:22] spies8mary: Yes, I saw in the group chats.
[08:22] spies8dane: hard to learn anything new when there is no one to talk to
[08:22] spies8mary: Or when everyone says "let's see the result of the investigation and then we'll talk."
[08:23] spies8dane: yup
[08:23] spies8dane: oh, btw
[08:24] spies8dane: I'm going to be possibly adding stephanie back into that pool depending on her response to the case I'm putting up against her
[08:24] spies8mary: Who have you seen protecting people in this game?
[08:24] spies8mary: For example, an argument against you is that you've protected Chance and Jenny.
[08:24] spies8mary: Chance before you knew he was a mason, and Jenny pretty much all game.
[08:25] spies8dane: hambone, owen, claude, and cinnamyn come to my mind, but none to the extent of me acting as public defender
[08:25] spies8mary: Who have each of them protected?
[08:25] spies8dane: by which I mean (as I've always stated) I don't want citizens exiled on faulty evidence/logic
[08:26] spies8dane: cinnamyn protected awohali a while back, so did claude, but we saw what happened with that
[08:26] spies8dane: hambone I'd need to check back to see who it was he was protective of that I have the impression
[08:26] spies8dane: owen was protective of cinnamyn
[08:26] spies8mary: I think it was odd that Cinnamyn flipped on Awohali.
[08:26] spies8dane: me too
[08:27] spies8dane: its why she's in the pool
[08:27] spies8mary: Claude as well. At one point around episode 6, Claude said Awohali was extremely Cit.
[08:27] spies8dane: oh
[08:27] spies8mary: And then most of the "Citizen alliance" persuaded him to suspect Awohali more.
[08:28] spies8dane: and broderik told me last night that his citish action of the week was trying to protect awohali at exile
[08:28] spies8dane: just not hard enough apparently
[08:28] spies8dane: oh
[08:28] spies8dane: and of course
[08:28] spies8dane: chance tried to protect whatshername episode 1
[08:28] spies8dane: and claude tried to protect magalie
[08:28] spies8mary: Right.
[08:35] spies8dane: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=burg&thread=1388&page=1
[08:35] spies8dane: done
[08:51] spies8mary: What do you think of Lawrence?
[08:52] spies8dane: not sure; some days he seems helpful cit, other days he seems to be deliberately misinterpreting things
[08:52] spies8dane: overall, i think a cit read
[08:52] spies8mary: He seemed to pick you up as a suspect from day one.
[08:52] spies8dane: but a weak one
[08:52] spies8dane: old lawrence you mean?
[08:52] spies8dane: or new lawrence?
[08:52] spies8mary: And now he says this new case makes him feel better about you.
[08:52] spies8mary: New Lawrence.
[08:53] spies8dane: hmmm
[08:53] spies8mary: He said you two discussed Stephanie earlier.
[08:53] spies8mary: When was this?
[08:53] Meebo Message: Could not IM buddy
[08:53] spies8mary: Is that first sentence supposed to say "misrepresented"?
[08:57] spies8mary: Did I lose you?
[08:57] spies8dane: think so
[08:57] spies8dane: spies8dane 11:52 am
(11:52:54 AM): hmmm
(11:53:13 AM): that makes sense if part of his reason for suspecting me was stephanie's lies

(11:53:23 AM): even so, thats a pretty major reversal
[08:57] spies8mary: spies8mary: Is that first sentence supposed to say "misrepresented"?
[08:58] spies8dane: didn't get that
[08:58] spies8dane: misrepresented is correct
[08:58] spies8mary: When did you talk to Lawrence about Stephanie?
[08:58] spies8dane: today
[08:59] spies8mary: Does your case copy any of his points or is it mostly your own?
[08:59] spies8mary: I believe he suspects Stephanie as well.
[08:59] spies8dane: mine, he provided the quotes from the group chat
[08:59] spies8mary: Ok.
[09:00] spies8mary: Have you suspected Stephanie the past few episodes?
[09:00] spies8dane: more like I got annoyed everytime she said "useless" whenever my name came up
[09:00] spies8dane: but no, she'd been pushed back in my mind a bit
[09:00] spies8mary: Did you trust her judgment or consider her a possible Spy?
[09:00] spies8mary: Ok.
[09:00] spies8dane: I don't trust her judgment either way
[09:00] spies8dane: but like i said
[09:00] spies8mary: Because you not voting the same person as her is not that odd to me.
[09:01] spies8mary: Kiara and Zed.
[09:01] spies8dane: right
[09:01] spies8mary: It sounds more like you checking in.
[09:01] spies8mary: On a person you suspect.
[09:01] spies8mary: To see who they're pushing.
[09:01] spies8dane: don't know if I thought into it that far
[09:01] spies8dane: there were 2 people online
[09:01] spies8dane: I needed 2 conversations
[09:01] spies8dane: cory and stephanie were just there
[09:02] spies8mary: Ok.
[09:02] spies8mary: That happened to me once.
[09:02] spies8mary: I broke out of solitary for ten minutes.
[09:02] spies8mary: And I just got whatever conversations I could before they caught me.
[09:02] spies8dane: mmmm
[09:03] spies8mary: I think I asked Cory to bake a cake with a file in it and send it to me.
[09:03] spies8mary: And that counted as one.
[09:03] spies8dane: ahhhh
[09:05] spies8mary: Who are Jenny's top suspects right now?
[09:05] spies8mary: I imagine if she's a Spy, she's listing a partner or two.
[09:05] spies8dane: i think it was kiara and broderick
[09:05] spies8dane: wait
[09:06] spies8dane: not sure if it was kiara
[09:06] spies8dane: let me look it up real quick
[09:06] spies8mary: I think she may have defended Kiara.
[09:06] spies8dane: oh, she was asking me about who had "massive citreads" on sgtephanie
[09:07] spies8dane: she suspects hambone for this, because if she flips cit, it will be the same as her going after zedekiah forever
[09:08] spies8dane: that's all I got
[09:08] spies8dane: and I gotta head out
[09:08] spies8mary: I think Jenny suspected Rondak.
[09:08] spies8mary: Ok.
[09:08] spies8dane: oh yeah, him too
[09:08] spies8mary: I will see you later.

[Mary]

[08:22] spies8lawrence: Good morning Mary
[08:22] spies8mary: Hi.
[08:22] spies8lawrence: How are you?
[08:22] spies8mary: Ok.
[08:23] spies8mary: I wanted to log in this weekend but too many people to dodge in real life.
[08:23] spies8mary: They're looking for me everywhere I go, it seems.
[08:28] spies8lawrence: Understandable
[08:31] spies8mary: How are you? All caught up on suspects?
[08:31] spies8lawrence: Yes
[08:31] spies8mary: Who are the four Spies?
[08:32] spies8lawrence: Jenny/Dane
[08:32] spies8lawrence: Are two of them, I believe
[08:32] spies8lawrence: I am not as confident as I am of the other two
[08:33] spies8mary: What makes you suspicious of Dane?
[08:33] spies8lawrence: It might be colored by his antagonistic attitude
[08:33] spies8lawrence: But comments he has made rub me the wrong way "Zedekiah Exile wasn't supposed to happen"
[08:33] spies8lawrence: Nominating Rondak to go up against Magalie the Spy
[08:34] spies8lawrence: How Jenny voted him on to the Senate this round
[08:34] spies8mary: He nominated Zedekiah even though he wasn't his top suspect.
[08:34] spies8lawrence: That
[08:34] spies8mary: If Jenny is a Spy, I think Dane should be exiled next.
[08:34] spies8mary: He protected her all game.
[08:35] spies8mary: If she is not a spy, I'm less sure of what to think.
[08:35] spies8lawrence: If Dane is a criminal, using the same logic, I think we should look at Stephanie
[08:35] spies8lawrence: He said this to me earlier
[08:35] spies8lawrence: mmmm, i'm leaving her alone for the time being, but waiting for her to slip up
there is not enough evidence on her yet

[08:35] spies8lawrence: Re: Stephanie
[08:36] spies8mary: He is posting a case on her now.
[08:36] spies8mary: It might be a very late form of distancing.
[08:36] spies8mary: The timing is unusual.
[08:36] spies8lawrence: Oh?
[08:37] spies8lawrence: This was prompted by me
[08:37] spies8lawrence: My read is now lessened
[08:37] spies8mary: spies8dane: I'm going to be possibly adding stephanie back into that pool depending on her response to the case I'm putting up against her
[08:37] spies8mary: Why would you see him as less Spyish if he bandwagons your case?
[08:38] spies8lawrence: Putting someone in the "one to watch" category is safer than making a case on one, for criminal partners
[08:38] spies8lawrence: Stephanie is not a prime Burg suspect . . . . attempting to bus her wouldn't be the optimal play
[08:38] spies8mary: But if the case is going up anyway, how is that Citizenish?
[08:38] spies8mary: Did you make a strong Stephanie case to him?
[08:38] spies8lawrence: No
[08:38] spies8mary: Ok.
[08:39] spies8lawrence: I showed him a quote from a chat log, which he is taking and running with
[08:39] spies8lawrence: I agree with how it could be criminal misrepresentation, but I also see how it could be an honest mistake
[08:39] spies8lawrence: And with Stephanie, I am leaning the latter
[08:39] spies8mary: What's the quote?
[08:39] spies8lawrence: The first mentioned in his case
[08:39] spies8lawrence: From group chat logs
[08:43] spies8mary: Ok.
[08:43] spies8mary: Enough of this Citizen nonsense. How are things looking?
[08:43] spies8lawrence: LOL
[08:43] spies8lawrence: Oops
[08:43] spies8lawrence: Lawrence doesn't LOL
[08:43] spies8lawrence: Lawrence gives a hearty chuckle
[08:43] spies8lawrence: My apologies
[08:44] spies8mary: Oh ho ho ho ho.
[08:44] spies8lawrence: Jenny is going down
[08:44] spies8lawrence: Obviously
[08:44] spies8mary: You are a fine roleplayer Lawrence.
[08:44] spies8lawrence: All hell will break loose
[08:44] spies8mary: Keeping your LOLs in check is not easy.
[08:44] spies8mary: It's all I can do to not omg wtf at these people.
[08:44] spies8mary: When in doubt I just type
[08:45] spies8mary: Ok.
[08:45] spies8lawrence: I'm worried about Hambone and Cinnamyn
[08:45] spies8mary: Oh?
[08:45] spies8lawrence: When all hell breaks loose, new suspects emerge
[08:45] spies8mary: Yes.
[08:45] spies8lawrence: They are in the sweet spot
[08:45] spies8lawrence: For people to start looking
[08:45] spies8mary: Which is why I think one of them needs to start making a case on Rondak.
[08:45] spies8mary: Or perhaps you and I do.
[08:45] spies8lawrence: Along with Jasmine, Dane, and perhaps Stephanie
[08:45] spies8lawrence: I've defended Rondak publicly
[08:45] spies8mary: Ok.
[08:46] spies8mary: Has he done anything Citizenish?
[08:46] spies8lawrence: Mainly by saying the case just seems to be about him being inactive
[08:46] spies8lawrence: So if actual arguments are presented, it would be safe for me to be swayed
[08:47] spies8lawrence: Although
[08:47] spies8lawrence: With Dane's new case
[08:47] spies8mary: I have a case on him based on his inconsistent suspicions.
[08:47] spies8mary: On Rondak.
[08:47] spies8mary: But it's pretty minor.
[08:47] spies8lawrence: Things look up
[08:47] spies8mary: I think if we each push one good case
[08:48] spies8mary: One will stick or get traction and it also keeps people from focusing on a Spy.
[08:48] spies8mary: Don't give the Citizens cases on us enough oxygen to breathe.
[08:48] spies8lawrence: I agree
[08:48] spies8lawrence: This is smart thinking
[08:48] spies8lawrence: I've been trying to come up with stuff
[08:48] spies8lawrence: And this, I think, is the tricky part of being a Spy
[08:49] spies8mary: At this point, Cinnamyn is my bus.
[08:49] spies8mary: But I do not want to bus her yet.
[08:49] spies8mary: Last episode, maybe.
[08:49] spies8lawrence: Honestly, I think we are the better Spies
[08:49] spies8lawrence: Hambobe = new player
[08:49] spies8mary: Hambone is good in his own way.
[08:49] spies8lawrence: *Hambone
[08:49] spies8lawrence: He's good as an independent agent
[08:49] spies8mary: People see him as Cittish and I am starting to make people's spy lists.
[08:49] spies8lawrence: Good point
[08:50] spies8lawrence: However, I think Cinnamyn, went too big with her character
[08:50] spies8lawrence: And its affecting gameplay
[08:50] spies8mary: A little.
[08:50] spies8mary: Her cases are also flimsy.
[08:50] spies8mary: I prefer rock solid wrong cases.
[08:50] spies8lawrence: Alrihgt
[08:50] spies8lawrence: I have to leave for a bit
[08:50] spies8mary: Ok.
[08:50] spies8lawrence: I will be back later though
[08:50] spies8mary: I will see you later today.
[08:50] spies8lawrence: Just not for Exile, sadly
[08:51] spies8mary: Good thing you already have your vote back!

[Mary]

[09:38] spies8lawrence: I told you the good news abotu Stephanie, right?
[09:43] spies8lawrence: I got her to move me from "Spy read" to "neutral read" and I think with work it will go to "Cit read."
[09:57] spies8lawrence: Fine
[09:57] spies8lawrence: Don't talk to me
[09:57] spies8lawrence: I see how it is
[09:57] spies8mary: Hi.
[09:58] spies8mary: Sorry, I was busy sedating someone.
[09:58] spies8mary: I use that term loosely.