[16:14] spies8gertrude: Hi.
[16:14] spies8mary: Hi.
[16:14] spies8gertrude: So, apparently you know.
[16:14] spies8mary: Yes.
[16:15] spies8mary: I was trying to hint at that earlier.
[16:15] spies8gertrude: When was that?
[16:15] spies8gertrude: Also, we planned on telling you the rest when you returned.
[16:15] spies8mary: spies8mary: Chance is no angel, but he's not my first choice for a vote right now.
[16:15] spies8gertrude: I did not expect Claude to be the one to tell you.
[16:15] spies8gertrude: I saw that.
[16:15] spies8gertrude: It struck me.
[16:15] spies8mary: Claude didn't tell me.
[16:15] spies8gertrude: So you know everything.
[16:16] spies8gertrude: Even my title.
[16:16] spies8mary: Cory told me.
[16:16] spies8mary: A week ago.
[16:16] spies8gertrude: Except that it was me, right?
[16:16] spies8gertrude: But that was easily deduced.
[16:17] spies8gertrude: has joined the chat
[16:17] spies8cory: has joined the chat
[16:17] spies8claude: has joined the chat
[16:17] spies8mary: has joined the chat
[16:17] spies8gertrude: Hi. Let's sort this out.
[16:17] spies8mary: I would just like to figure out how to vote.
[16:17] spies8cory: Kiara / Zed for me
[16:18] spies8mary: Why not Lawrence?
[16:18] spies8cory: Already been through this.
[16:18] spies8cory: If I see a good reason to vote him I'll reconsider
[16:18] spies8gertrude: I'd rather Zed/Lawrence.
[16:18] spies8mary: Two people nominated Zed and Kiara.
[16:18] spies8claude: Voting Lawrence would be effectively random voting.
[16:18] spies8mary: Yes.
[16:18] spies8claude: And just hoping you get lucky.
[16:19] spies8claude: I love how everyone just used my ability as an excuse to not nominate anyone else.
[16:19] spies8mary: I believe Jenny pushed that idea.
[16:19] spies8claude: Because you know, Owen was the only person that could vote.
[16:19] spies8mary: From what I've skimmed.
[16:19] spies8gertrude: I needed Owen to not vote for Chance.
[16:19] spies8mary: Dane jumped onboard wholesale.
[16:19] spies8gertrude: So, I needed someone else up there. Simple as that.
[16:20] spies8mary: Why did you need Owen not to vote for Chance?
[16:20] spies8gertrude: Because if he did, other people might.
[16:20] spies8mary: Who?
[16:20] spies8gertrude: Claude, for one.
[16:20] spies8gertrude: Stephanie, Cinnamyn.
[16:20] spies8gertrude: Possibly you.
[16:20] spies8mary: There was an obvious solution to that problem.
[16:20] spies8gertrude: What was that?
[16:20] spies8claude: There was an obvious solution to preventing any of this from ever happening.
[16:20] spies8cory: Let's talk about the votes
[16:21] spies8mary: When a player is by far the scummiest player in the Burg
[16:21] spies8cory: I talked to Zed yesterday
[16:21] spies8mary: And saves themselves by roleclaiming
[16:21] spies8cory: Asked him if he'd spoken with Isaac any
[16:21] spies8cory: His response was to PM me a borderline rulebreaking chat
[16:21] spies8mary: They should probably claim that role publicly.
[16:21] spies8gertrude: I disagree.
[16:21] spies8gertrude: That would be most unwise.
[16:21] spies8cory: Long enough that he clearly did not write it up then and tehre
[16:22] spies8mary: Ok Gertrude, then Chance will get 6 votes once this Senate nonsense is over.
[16:22] spies8mary: And then he can deal with it.
[16:22] spies8cory: Yoohoo, exile is tomorrow
[16:22] spies8cory: Deal with the role between exile & impris
[16:22] spies8claude: Cory is right. Mary is right too, but Cory is right about something more immediatel.
[16:22] spies8claude: immediate.
[16:22] spies8mary: So what did you get from Zed?
[16:23] spies8cory: A chat that definitely wasn't written by Zed. Possibly faked between Isaac and Zed. That's what I'm trying to figure out
[16:23] spies8claude: A faked private chat? Really?
[16:23] spies8cory: It was on June 20th. 20 messages, but very long ones
[16:23] spies8claude: Couldn't it just be real?
[16:23] spies8mary: How can you tell?
[16:23] spies8gertrude: I still disagree. We have protected Chance so far, I'm confident we can continue doing so. Anyways, yes. The vote is important.
[16:23] spies8cory: June 30th*
[16:24] spies8cory: All I know is he did not write it himself
[16:24] spies8cory: Because of the length of the chat and the time it took him to send it to me
[16:25] spies8cory: I guess it's _possible_
[16:25] spies8claude: If we assume the chat is real, then what
[16:25] spies8cory: But I really really really really doubt it.
[16:25] spies8cory: But it could still be a fake
[16:25] spies8cory: If Isaac and Zed planned to fake a chat in episode three
[16:26] spies8claude: What is the subject nature of the chat? Does Zed look better from it, etc.
[16:27] spies8cory: I guess I could just forward it to you guys
[16:27] spies8claude: Or just summarize it..
[16:28] spies8cory: Zed says hi, asks if they've met. Isaac says no. Asks how things are on this team. Still trying to meet people, etc
[16:28] spies8cory: Zed says things are usually tense, they lost some good leaders and so suspicion fell to newcomers
[16:29] spies8cory: Isaac says it seems the suspicion has shifted to the five newcomers. Isaac is concerned that he is a suspect of many people he's never even met.
[16:29] spies8cory: Zed asks what Isaac thinks of the other four Dems
[16:29] spies8cory: Isaac says Lawrence is "a bit odd, he was always in most chats, but always 'eating' or away",
[16:30] spies8cory: Isaac says Lawrence stepped up his game after being questioned
[16:30] spies8cory: Isaac says Brod loves to ask questions and base opinions off other peoples, but has few opinions of his own
[16:31] spies8cory: Isaac says Jasmine and himself don't always see eye to eye, but he does not quite get spy vibes from her.
[16:31] spies8claude: lol
[16:31] spies8claude: Hmmm
[16:31] spies8cory: Isaac asks why the Themba thing was dropped so quickly after such a big fuss.
[16:31] spies8claude: And Zed never felt the need to bring that up to us later :-(
[16:31] spies8cory: Zed says he thinks the main pusher was Hambone who is not on the team anymore
[16:32] spies8cory: Zed says he thinks it's because everyone on this team has been questioned so much that all questions are now redundant
[16:32] spies8mary: By the way, I came across this earlier today while looking for Magalie protectors:
[16:32] spies8cory: Isaac says he agrees with Zed's reasaons for pushing and thinks they're valid.
[16:32] spies8mary: spies8magalie: hi isaac I dont ever remember talkin to you before welcome to the democracks side
spies8isaac: LOL, first time I've ever seen you in chat magalie. Who do you think stands out right now for day two? Interested to see where you stand
spies8isaac: Nice to meet you
spies8magalie: well I do declare that I am tryin to get my read on people
[16:32] spies8cory: He thinks it's odd that several were suspicious of her but hasn't heard it mentioned today. Makes sarcastic comment about how the 5 newcomers are tastier food.
[16:33] spies8cory: The end
[16:33] spies8mary: That's about the only interaction between them I found.
[16:34] spies8mary: Ok, so Isaac was encouraging Zed to vote Themba?
[16:34] spies8cory: Isaac made comments about how he'd never spoken with Magalie back in episode one
[16:34] spies8claude: So it's possible that the conversation was staged
[16:34] spies8claude: but barring that, Zed looks alot better because of it.
[16:34] spies8cory: Yeah I can't tell
[16:34] spies8cory: That's the thing
[16:34] spies8cory: It looks like it could easily be a legit chat
[16:35] spies8cory: Isaac definitely fanned the Themba fire though
[16:35] spies8mary: Did Hambone vote Themba?
[16:35] spies8cory: He was on our team
[16:35] spies8mary: ALLAN (1): Hambone
[16:35] spies8cory: In episode two he voted allan
[16:36] spies8mary: So this conversation supposedly took place right after the switch.
[16:36] spies8cory: June 30th is the date he said
[16:36] spies8mary: Three days before exile 3.
[16:39] spies8cory: Zed said he never spoke with Magalie. But no surprise there.
[16:42] spies8mary: Gertrude, why do you think Kiara is a Citizen?
[16:43] spies8gertrude: For a few reasons.
[16:44] spies8gertrude: Most recently, though, for her sincerity in the chat
[16:44] spies8gertrude: Also, for a comment I felt was consistent was a town
[16:44] spies8gertrude: with*
[16:46] spies8gertrude: 1) When questioned about her compliance with Tina's request to switch her vote from Allan,
[16:47] spies8mary: Her sincerity when talking about Jenny, or about something else?
[16:47] spies8gertrude: She said Tina had a strong reason, but wouldn't say what it was.
[16:48] spies8gertrude: About her defense from Hambone.
[16:49] spies8claude: To clarify.
[16:49] spies8claude: You're saying that Kiara wouldn't say what the reason was
[16:49] spies8claude: not Tina
[16:51] spies8gertrude: Yes.
[16:52] spies8gertrude: The reason, also to clarify, was because Allan needed to receive no votes to make someone Immune from Exile.
[16:52] spies8gertrude: I mean.
[16:52] spies8gertrude: Imprisonment.
[16:57] spies8claude: I'm not really sure how much of a good idea this 1/2 group chat is.
[16:57] spies8claude: It's hard to keep up with the real group chat and this one
[17:00] spies8cory: Chance is threatening to take a stapler to his face.
[17:01] spies8cory: I just informed him that Claude knows.
[17:01] spies8cory: Guys, he will hurt himself.
[17:01] spies8cory: ...Okay I'm being a little over dramatic.
[17:04] spies8claude: I probably wouldn't stop him.
[17:21] spies8chance: has joined the chat
[17:31] spies8cory: Hello Chance.
[17:34] spies8chance: hello, cory.
[17:51] spies8claude: has left the chat
[17:56] spies8gertrude: Hi, sorry.
[20:06] spies8chance: has left the chat
[20:14] spies8stephanie: has joined the chat
[20:14] spies8stephanie: yay!
[20:14] spies8owen: has joined the chat
[20:14] spies8cory: Time to discuss exile
[20:15] spies8owen: Evening, all.
[20:15] spies8stephanie: how are you feeling owen?
[20:15] spies8owen: The the moment, feeling slightly better. Just woke up from another nap though, so we shall see in a bit.
[20:15] spies8owen: Thanks for asking.
How are you?
[20:15] spies8stephanie: excellent ty
[20:16] spies8cory: What you thinking for exile, Steph?
[20:16] spies8stephanie: chance
[20:16] spies8stephanie: to sound like a broken record
[20:16] spies8cory: You were wavering on him a bit after claude used his role on owen
[20:16] spies8cory: But otherwise, no?
[20:17] spies8stephanie: otherwise no
[20:17] spies8stephanie: just think claude screwed up in his over-zealousnous
[20:17] spies8stephanie: ewwwww
[20:17] spies8cory: Yeah, probably
[20:17] spies8cory: Thoughts on Lawrence?
[20:17] spies8stephanie: spy
[20:17] spies8cory: Lol
[20:18] spies8owen: I think Law looks good now.
[20:18] spies8owen: After Magalie's flip.
[20:18] spies8stephanie: but i've sort of put him off to side until he shows up again
[20:18] spies8cory: If he shows up again
[20:18] spies8stephanie: but wouldn't be sorry to see spy-Larry gone
[20:19] spies8owen: Plus, it looks like there was a priority to replace Rondak. Not trying to outthink Sam, but I think a spy would have been replaced ASAP.
[20:19] spies8stephanie: yep
[20:19] spies8cory: Yeah
[20:19] spies8cory: Definitely odd considering Lawrence requested replacement
[20:20] spies8stephanie: tho, i did consider that b-rondak might have been recruited by a-rondak as a replacement
[20:20] spies8stephanie: since they seem to come from the same place
[20:21] spies8owen: Is Brondak a Survivor player too?
[20:21] spies8stephanie: i think so
[20:21] spies8cory: He is an annoying player.
[20:21] spies8owen: Oh lord.
[20:21] spies8stephanie: or claims to be?
[20:21] spies8owen: I have no problem with Survivor players, but damn, they're so hard to read.
[20:22] spies8owen: Because they don't know they're doing scummy things when they are.
[20:25] spies8cory: Thoughts on Zed, Kiara?
[20:26] spies8owen: Zeddy has done little to nothing since making a post at the end of episode 1. His wagon miraculously disappeared, as well.
[20:26] spies8owen: Similar to Mags.
[20:26] spies8owen: But then there's the chat he sent you with Isaac.
[20:26] spies8cory: Yeah
[20:26] spies8owen: And... Idk, it doesn't seem faked to me.
[20:26] spies8cory: He definitely didn't write it up himself
[20:27] spies8cory: So the chat definitely happened
[20:27] spies8cory: It's a matter of whether it was staged or not
[20:27] spies8owen: Yeah, that's definitely Isaac-speak.
[20:27] spies8cory: It took him like 90 seconds to send it to me. No way he wrote all that up in 90 seconds
[20:29] spies8stephanie: and i still have trouble believing that spy-alex would have gone after zeke like he did
[20:29] spies8owen: He didn't even end up voting him though.
[20:29] spies8owen: He jumped onto Dane.
[20:29] spies8owen: And then tried getting Tina to vote for you.
[20:37] spies8stephanie: kiara?
[20:39] spies8owen: As I've said, what I've got on Kiara is her fixation on voting roleholders, her not talking to me at all after trusting me with such a big power, her conversation (one line of her IMing me just to tell me that she'll hate me if I'm a spy after this) with me looking extremely insincere and put on after I won the power, the post about the vote cover-up possibly trying to take the attention off of Isaac.
[20:39] spies8owen: Things that look better for her: her first chat about Alexei with Tina and I.
[20:40] spies8cory: And her inability to recall and/or pull up her chats with Isaac
[20:40] spies8owen: She didn't say anything too solid against Alexei, but it was the second night, don't expect extremely solid stances.
[20:42] spies8owen: She couldn't bring up chat's with Isaac?
[20:43] spies8cory: I asked her if she'd spoken with Isaac, she said "3 times tops"
[20:43] spies8cory: I asked for a summary
[20:43] spies8cory: She went to look, came back 2 minutes later and said "that's weird, I can't find them"
[20:43] spies8cory: And couldn't recall what they'd spoken about
[20:45] spies8owen: Sketchy.
[20:46] spies8stephanie: in her defense, as the devils advocate, i will say that i only have 1 log with isaac
[20:47] spies8stephanie: and mostly about nothing
[20:47] spies8owen: I have 1 log with Isaac too.
[20:47] spies8owen: But a) I can find it b) I can remember things we talked about.
[20:47] spies8cory: Thing is she said she had spoken with him "3 times tops"
[20:48] spies8stephanie: i do agree, it is suspicious
[20:49] spies8owen: Did she say if she had chattlogging on?
[20:50] spies8stephanie: she must if she went to look?
[20:50] spies8cory: spies8kiara: unforttunately i did seem to have any posted. they must not have been of supstance. not a point in my favor.
[20:50] spies8owen: Supstance. GERTRUDE?
[20:50] spies8cory: spies8kiara: i would expect the same things i take to everyone about. who suspects who and why. but then i dont know why i wouldnt have saved them. so sadly i dont have a good answer for that
[20:50] spies8owen: GERTRUDE, WHERE ARE YOU?
[20:50] spies8owen: CORRECTION IS NEEDED.
[20:51] spies8owen: spies8kiara: unforttunately i did seem to have any posted. they must not have been of supstance. not a point in my favor.
[20:51] spies8owen: 2 huge spelling errors.
[20:51] spies8stephanie: so are we to think that she deletes chat logs that are of no supstance?
[20:51] spies8owen: Flustered.
[20:51] spies8owen: "I did seem to have any posted." "supstance"
[20:52] spies8owen: FLUSTERED.
[20:52] spies8stephanie: has anyone here deleted chat logs?
[20:52] spies8owen: Nope.
[20:52] spies8cory: Never
[20:52] spies8cory: Though she said "posted" which might mean she doesn't have logging on
[20:52] spies8owen: I do both since I'm a loser.
[20:53] spies8cory: I posted chats once
[20:53] spies8owen: Back in the day.
[20:53] spies8cory: Back in thaaaa day
[21:03] spies8stephanie: mary, what are you thinking?
[21:04] spies8owen: Not sure if Mary is around.
[21:04] spies8owen: IMed her a little while ago with no response.
[21:05] spies8stephanie: ahhh..ok..i thought she had accepted the invite and was around somewhere
[21:06] spies8cory: Nah we had been discussing exile a few hours back
[21:06] spies8cory: I think she's been gone for quite some time
[21:06] spies8stephanie: ahh, just my paranoia getting the best of me i guess
[21:07] spies8cory: Oh no. Mary is here. She is watching. She is waiting.
[21:07] spies8owen: Everything is okay Steph. *pets*
[21:07] spies8gertrude: *watches quietly from the bushes*
[21:07] spies8gertrude: Actually, I just got back.
[21:07] spies8owen: There's still a spelling correction for 20 minutes ago or so.
[21:07] spies8stephanie: sure you did
[21:07] spies8stephanie: **cowers**
[21:08] spies8owen: I left it for you, Gert.
[21:08] spies8gertrude: Bwahahaha.
[21:08] spies8gertrude: Um.
[21:08] spies8gertrude: I don't care.
[21:08] spies8owen: spies8kiara: unforttunately i did seem to have any posted. they must not have been of supstance. not a point in my favor.
[21:08] spies8owen: When you see it, you will.
[21:08] spies8gertrude: Oh god.
[21:08] spies8owen: It's appalling.
[21:08] spies8gertrude: Oh fod.
[21:08] spies8gertrude: Fog Dos.
[21:08] spies8gertrude: Oe
[21:08] spies8gertrude: kf
[21:08] spies8gertrude: *explodes*
[21:08] spies8owen: SUPSTANCE *shivers*
[21:09] spies8owen: Not to mention the rest of the sentence in general.
[21:09] spies8gertrude: I don't think Kiara is a Spy.
[21:09] spies8gertrude: So there.
[21:09] spies8owen: Who are you voting for, Gert?
[21:09] spies8stephanie: who do you think are spies?
[21:10] spies8gertrude: I'm probably going to vote for Zedekiah at this point.
[21:10] spies8gertrude: I think he's a Spy.
[21:10] spies8stephanie: ugh
[21:10] spies8gertrude: I love you, but that's my gut and observational feelings.
[21:10] spies8gertrude: You'll thank me later.
[21:10] spies8stephanie: i hope so
[21:11] spies8gertrude: I may be convinced to vote for Lawrence.
[21:12] spies8owen: I won't be voting for Lawrence (obviously, since I'm not allowed to).
[21:12] spies8owen: Nor do I think I would if I was allowed to.
[21:13] spies8owen: Though it might be smarter to lynch someone that may get ejected from the game completely.
[21:13] spies8owen: If you don't think any of the other 3 are scum.
[21:14] spies8gertrude: But, I do.
[21:14] spies8owen: Did you see the Zed/Isaac convo?
[21:14] spies8stephanie: so who do you think are spies, get?
[21:14] spies8stephanie: gert*
[21:15] spies8stephanie: zeke and ...
[21:15] spies8gertrude: Awohali. Maybe Jenny.
[21:15] spies8gertrude: 4th I don't even have a guess.
[21:16] spies8owen: Awohali told me last night that he's completely fine with a Zed lynch.
[21:16] spies8cory: spies8owen: Did you see the Zed/Isaac convo?
[21:16] spies8owen: So if he's connected to anyone, it's most likely Kiara.
[21:16] spies8gertrude: I heard the summary.
[21:26] spies8stephanie: well, this senate stuff is not nearly as much fun as i thought it was going to be
[21:28] spies8owen: It's never been fun.
[21:28] spies8owen: It's more stressful than anything.
[21:29] spies8owen: We should play party games.
[21:29] spies8gertrude: Mafia, anyone?
[21:29] spies8owen: Pin the shovel on Yuri.
[21:30] spies8owen: Onion peeling competitions.
[21:31] spies8gertrude: Birthing position competitions.
[21:31] spies8stephanie: gert wins
[21:33] spies8gertrude: Holla.
[21:33] spies8owen: Little Elizabeth.0
[21:52] spies8stephanie: well, i am putting my vote in for chance
[21:52] spies8stephanie: and going to bed
[21:53] spies8stephanie: but hope to be around some tomorrow evening if i need to change it
[21:55] spies8cory: Heading off myself in just a minute