episode v conversations

[Chance]

with gertie -


spies8gertrude is available 10:40 am
spies8gertrude 5:32 pm
[Offline IM sent 17h and 7m ago] Bye, I hope you feel better
spies8chance 10:41 am
hi gertie.
spies8gertrude 12:04 pm
Hey there, Chance.
spies8chance 12:04 pm
hi.
spies8gertrude 12:05 pm
What are you thinking of claiming?
spies8chance 12:05 pm
mason, first.
spies8gertrude 12:07 pm
Ok.
spies8chance 12:08 pm
what do you think?
spies8gertrude 12:08 pm
To Owen or publicly?
spies8chance 12:08 pm
to owen.
spies8gertrude 12:09 pm
Mmm.
When?
spies8chance 12:09 pm
next time i see him.
spies8gertrude 12:10 pm
Well, let's see.
I think maybe you should wait until after the Imprisonment.
Because...
I think I should Angel Allan and Mary.

spies8chance 12:11 pm
why mary?
spies8gertrude 12:11 pm
Because. I think she's a Citizen.
And I want to see if Cinnamyn is Imprisoned.
spies8chance 12:11 pm
why's that?
spies8gertrude 12:12 pm
If she's not, I think Cinnamyn is a Spy.
It's really to narrow down the choices for the Spies.
spies8chance 12:12 pm
you think the spies will go after the people who can vote?
spies8gertrude 12:12 pm
Most certainly.
Unless those people are themselves Spies.
spies8chance 12:12 pm
why do you think mary's a citizen?
spies8gertrude 12:13 pm
Do you think she's a Spy?
spies8chance 12:13 pm
i think she's going to vote for me if i'm nominated.
spies8gertrude 12:13 pm
Well, not if you claim to Owen
spies8chance 12:14 pm
yeah she will.
if claude gets hold of my claim he'll just twist it to say i'm a spy and mary will agree.
i think she's firmly in his back pocket.
but i don't think i'm going to be imprisoned.
spies8chance 12:14 pm
so if you want to use it om someone else, go ahead.
i won't be able to devil you though.
are you planning on claiming to allan?
spies8gertrude 12:17 pm
Well..
No, probably not.
spies8chance 12:18 pm
then why angel him?
spies8gertrude 12:18 pm
Because I think I'm going to get votes next round.
And I want Owen to be safe.
spies8chance 12:18 pm
do you want to claim to owen?
spies8gertrude 12:19 pm
I don't know.
I'm struggling with it.
He'd HAVE to believe me, there's no way making people Immune from Imprisonment is a Spy role.
spies8chance 12:19 pm
mhm.
spies8gertrude 12:19 pm
Then hopefully he'd believe your claim as mason, as well.
You know?
spies8chance 12:20 pm
well, are you claiming to him as angel or as mason or as both?
spies8gertrude 12:20 pm
I don't know if I'm claiming at all.
Let's talk through this.
spies8chance 12:20 pm
hypothetically.
spies8gertrude 12:21 pm
What are the chances (ha) that Owen is a Spy?
spies8chance 12:21 pm
considering the isaac exile... not very high, i think.
spies8gertrude 12:21 pm
Right.
spies8gertrude 12:21 pm
Plus, I had a town read on him beforehand.
Hm.
I feel like if you claimed mason with me, then I proved myself to be town by saving Allan..
That might be the best course of action.
spies8chance 12:23 pm
we'd have to be on at the same time for a suitably dramatic reveal. :-P
spies8gertrude 12:23 pm
Ha.
spies8chance 12:23 pm
do i keep my role under wraps, then?
spies8gertrude 12:23 pm
I don't know.
I don't see the benefit of doing so, to be honest.
spies8chance 12:24 pm
i'm not sure i want all our cards on the table on the off chance that owen is a spy.
but, you may be right.
spies8gertrude 12:24 pm
If he's a Spy
We've died by claiming to him.
spies8chance 12:24 pm
you have, at least.
spies8gertrude 12:24 pm
Mmm.
Yes.
spies8chance 12:25 pm
and i'll be set up for an exile.
spies8gertrude 12:25 pm
There's another option, though.
spies8chance 12:25 pm
however, if you immune allan and mary this round, next round allan can immuen you if you don't get votes.
spies8gertrude 12:25 pm
Exactly.
spies8chance 12:25 pm
well, he can even if you do.
spies8gertrude 12:26 pm
Right, but I'd have to claim to him.
spies8chance 12:26 pm
or, just have owen tell him who to target.
he seems to listen to owen.
spies8gertrude 12:27 pm
Allan is smart enough to know that I wouldn't be Imprisoned if I wasn't the role in question.
spies8chance 12:27 pm
sure, he'd figure it out eventually.
but this buys you time.
if you don't get votes, next round you'll be able to angel three people, right?
spies8gertrude 12:28 pm
Right.
spies8chance 12:28 pm
so you angel owen, allan, maybe me, and allan immunes you.
unless owen is still immune.
spies8gertrude 12:29 pm
He's not.
spies8chance 12:29 pm
maybe he will be. he's immune from 4 and 5, right?
spies8gertrude 12:29 pm
This time is his last one.
spies8chance 12:29 pm
ah.
wait, are you sure?
who was imprisoned last?
nita?
spies8gertrude 12:30 pm
Yes.
spies8gertrude 12:30 pm
This is Imprisonment 5
There's a thread in my confessional Sam posted called Angel Imprisonment 5.
spies8chance 12:30 pm
hm.
spies8gertrude 12:31 pm
I lied.
It's called Episode 5 Angel.
Either way.
spies8chance 12:31 pm
i figured you probably did.
dang, lag.
yeah, i got episode 5 devil posted i mine.
*ikn
*in
damn eyesight.
spies8gertrude 12:31 pm
Ha.
Damn.
I wonder if Allan self-voted or voted for Isaac.
spies8chance 12:32 pm
so have we decided we're claiming to owen?
spies8gertrude 12:32 pm
I don't know. Do you think it's wisest?
spies8chance 12:32 pm
i'll be exiled if i don't, i'm fairly sure.
spies8gertrude 12:33 pm
Do you think we should wait until after Imprisonment, at least, though?
spies8chance 12:33 pm
yeah, probably.
spies8gertrude 12:33 pm
Ok.
spies8chance 12:34 pm
we can be online at the same time and invite him into a room
spies8hellsangels
:-P
spies8gertrude 12:34 pm
Ha.
Maybe.
spies8gertrude 12:34 pm
That might overwhelm him.
spies8chance 12:35 pm
nah.
spies8gertrude 12:37 pm
Alright.
We're claiming all three roles?
spies8chance 12:38 pm
i think that's the general consensus.
what do we say when he asks how long we've been masons?
spies8gertrude 12:38 pm
The general consensus of two people.
One second.
spies8gertrude 12:40 pm
Ok, back.
spies8chance 12:40 pm
k.
spies8gertrude 12:40 pm
That's a good question.
Let me make a post real quick.
spies8gertrude 12:57 pm
K, I posted. Sorry, got distracted by a student emailing me about their summer assignment.
spies8chance 1:03 pm
posted.
spies8gertrude 1:09 pm
I did too. Saw both of yours.
spies8chance 1:20 pm
posted.
spies8chance 1:25 pm
i want to think jenny's a cit.
she's like the only person defending me.
spies8chance 1:34 pm
i've got to head out for my appointment, gertie. i'll be back later, maybe.
spies8gertrude is offline

[Chance]

with dane -


spies8dane is available 1:34 pm
Miss you Gorgeous 130d and 1h ago Comment
spies8chance 1:34 pm
if my computer crashes i'm blaming you. :-P
spies8chance 1:36 pm
sup dane.
spies8dane 1:37 pm
sorry, dealing with bloody mary
spies8chance 1:38 pm
hahaha.
spies8dane is available 1:43 pm
blocked spies8mary for the remainder of the game 120d and 0h ago Comment
spies8dane 1:45 pm
could you do me 2 small favors?
spies8chance 1:45 pm
i'm listening.
spies8dane 1:45 pm
1st, im owen and tell him to respond to my im.
2nd, im mary and tell her to go fuck herself and that I will not respond to her before we are both exiled/imprisoned and the game is over
and she is blocked on my aim
spies8chance 1:46 pm
k, done.
spies8dane 1:48 pm
gracias
spies8chance 1:48 pm
de nada.
spies8chance 1:54 pm
so what's going on?
spies8dane 1:54 pm
ranting about mary to lilith
she basically refused to answer any of my questions, stonewalling me by just saying "ok." and that I "didn't need to know"
spies8chance 1:55 pm
interesting. but unsurprising.
spies8dane 1:55 pm
even just asking basic questions like "who do you suspect"
spies8chance 1:55 pm
i dunno about lilith. she doesn't make much sense to me.
spies8dane 1:55 pm
or "why cant you explain WHY you can't explain"
or "did you lie or did owen lie about him knowing who you suspect"
the one actual answer i got from her was when I asked WHO knew who she suspected, and she said lots of people (specifying owen)
then when owen logged in, I asked him if he knew, and he said no
spies8dane 1:56 pm
I confront mary with this
and she doesn't say anything
so I have owen tell her to get back and talk to me
and she says she is minimizing the window, and says goodbye
spies8chance 1:57 pm
commence eyerolling
spies8chance 2:05 pm
so you nominating steph again?
or has someone else caught your eye?
spies8dane 2:06 pm
not sure yet

[Chance]

with owen -


spies8owen is available 1:45 pm
spies8chance 1:45 pm
hi owen. dane would like you to respond to his im.
:-)
spies8owen 1:50 pm
Thanks for the heads up. h
spies8chance 1:50 pm
:-P he asked me to tell you that.
spies8owen 1:50 pm
Of course he did. That's so Dane.
Anyway, how's it going?
spies8chance 1:51 pm
he also asked me to relay a few choice messages to mary. commence eyerolling.
spies8owen 1:51 pm
Yeah, that's what he wanted me to respond to.
spies8chance 1:51 pm
going okay. still have eye problems.
spies8owen 1:51 pm
What's going on with your eyes?
or eye*
spies8chance 1:52 pm
i have conjunctivitis and can't see very well cause i can't wear my contacts.
spies8chance 1:53 pm
but anyway, how are you?
spies8owen 1:59 pm
I'm alright, only got a few hours of sleep so I'm a bit out of it. Having trouble keeping up with multiple convos, all of them pertaining to Dane and Mary. Ridiculous.
spies8chance 2:00 pm
dane is ranting to me about mary.
spies8chance 2:02 pm
so who would you like to see nominated this round?
or am i allowed to ask that?
spies8chance 2:06 pm
guess i'm not allowed to ask th at.
spies8owen 2:07 pm
Sorry, still failing on multiple convos.
Of course that can be asked.
spies8owen 2:08 pm
As of right now, the only clear name I have in my head is Magalie.
spies8chance 2:08 pm
why's that?
spies8owen 2:08 pm
I've got others that I want to look into.
Her random attitude change ONLY after she was almost lynched. Her lying (Gerti situation) and terrible hunting methods.
spies8chance 2:09 pm
i agree with the first, and i don't like how she slipped back off the radar once people stopped suspecting her.
spies8owen 2:10 pm
I don't like how so many people just piled onto the vote for her, many of them not even posting about it.
Not sure what to think about it.
Now, like you said, she's gone a bit under the radar.
spies8chance 2:12 pm
yeah.
i'm torn onto whether she's a spy or just stupid.
spies8owen 2:13 pm
I've seen some stupid spies before.
spies8chance 2:13 pm
i guess that's a good point. :-P
spies8owen 2:13 pm
*cough*KATHIE*cough*
spies8chance 2:13 pm
kathie was a stupid lurker.
she's part of the reason for my stance on lurkers.
spies8owen 2:14 pm
Kathie and Pete. *shivers*
spies8chance 2:14 pm
i agree totally!
grr.
spies8owen 2:14 pm
That's why I was so suspect of Larry when he first came over.
spies8chance 2:14 pm
where has he been, anyway?
spies8owen 2:15 pm
That said, he actually does more research than Kathie and Pete did.
spies8chance 2:15 pm
that's true, but not lately.
spies8owen 2:15 pm
You can tell he does a lot of reading.
Yeah, haven't seen him in a few days.
spies8chance 2:15 pm
i don't think i've seen him since the merge.
spies8owen 2:15 pm
I only got to talk to him for a few minutes on AIM total, I believ.e
I think he could be solid if he would get on AIM more.
spies8chance 2:16 pm
i wonder.
spies8owen 2:16 pm
Very punny.
spies8chance 2:17 pm
i didn't even notice, actually, but thanks! :-P
spies8owen 2:17 pm
People I think I need to look more into = Brod & Dane.
Both people I have early town leans on.
had*
spies8chance 2:17 pm
i have a town lean on dane and regarding brod, i don't even want to be around him.
spies8owen 2:17 pm
He bothers me, too.
The twisting of things and repititiveness of it...
He's a borderline bully.
spies8chance 2:18 pm
the most i can say for him is that i think claude blew his statement about isaac in the voting thread all out of proportion.
yes, he is.
and multiple people have told him that and he refuses to see it.
spies8owen 2:18 pm
He tried that shit on me once. I didn't enjoy it whatsoever.
I was saying that it's stupid for citizens to lie.
And he turned that into...
"So, you're saying it's stupid for town to lie about having a role?"
spies8owen 2:19 pm
I wouldn't considering not claiming a role a lie.
spies8chance 2:19 pm
he likes to say i'm misinterpreting him.
spies8owen 2:19 pm
-ing
spies8chance 2:19 pm
over and over and over.
spies8owen 2:20 pm
Saw a bit of that yesterday once he said my Mary choice was fishy.
spies8chance 2:20 pm
gertie called him out on it in the burg.
i quite enjoyed it.
spies8owen 2:20 pm
Yeah, I did too.
spies8chance 2:20 pm
by the way are you going to be online during/after imprisonment?
spies8owen 2:20 pm
I'm gonna try to be.
spies8chance 2:21 pm
mkay.
spies8owen 2:21 pm
Why?
spies8chance 2:21 pm
just wondering.
spies8chance 2:22 pm
dane and lilith are really getting into it over there.
but dane gets into it with a lot of people.
spies8owen 2:22 pm
That's what happens every time he comes on AIM.
I feel like he avoids AIM a lot of the time.
And when he gets on, this is what happens.
spies8chance 2:22 pm
maybe he's rey.
spies8owen 2:22 pm
Trying to play mediator between him and Mary was ridiculous.
spies8chance 2:22 pm
mary doesn't seem the type to yell.
but dane had a good point about her.
i don't like that she never says what she's thinking or who she suspects.
spies8owen 2:23 pm
She's told me her suspects.
She's not telling him her suspects because she thinks he avoided her once.
And is wary of people that only wanna talk close to imp.
spies8chance 2:23 pm
i actually mean posting in the countless vote threads in the burg.
spies8owen 2:23 pm
Ahh.
She's withheld suspects before this?
spies8chance 2:24 pm
i could be wrong, but i don't recall her ever actually posting in the threads.
it's been a topic of discussion once or twice that no one knew who mary was voting until just before exile.
spies8owen 2:24 pm
Brod did that too, I noticed. Never posted in the voting threads early on.
spies8chance 2:25 pm
can i ask what led to you granting mary her vote back?
spies8owen 2:25 pm
Of course, like I haven't had to answer this already?
spies8chance 2:25 pm
i'm sorry. :-P but you and i haven't talked much.
spies8owen 2:25 pm
Mary had the best reasons on Isaac when we talked, imo.
Tina didn't want me to pick her, and I didn't want to pick her, as we thought it would make her a bigger target to be imprisoned.
She's already a big threat to the spies. With her voting power back?
Yikes.
Mary was the person besides Tina that I had the best feeling about regarding the Isaac vote.
spies8owen 2:26 pm
If I picked Claude, I could have had his role used against me
And he would have been the only voter (this is before I knew another person was gonna win a power back)
spies8chance 2:26 pm
how so?
oh, yes.
he could have gotten rid of your vote.
so i'm glad you didn't pick him. :-P
spies8owen 2:27 pm
Mary pointed out Isaac's shaky suspect list to me, give a few instances of it.
To that point, nobody had really nailed that into my head.
It was all the sincerity thing for me.
spies8chance 2:27 pm
i'm not sure i trust sincerity.
nita came across as very sincere to me.
spies8owen 2:27 pm
Worked twice so far for me.
It's a tell.
spies8chance 2:27 pm
so does jenny.
spies8owen 2:28 pm
For some people, at least.
spies8chance 2:28 pm
i really want to think she's a cit, but should i? that's the question.
spies8owen 2:28 pm
I still think Nita was playing a lot more for the town.
spies8chance 2:28 pm
considering the alexei exile i'd have to agree with you.
spies8owen 2:28 pm
If it's who I think it was *don't kill me Sam* I'm almost positive she was.
spies8chance 2:28 pm
:-P
yeah, i actually accidentally meta'd (or sam thought i did) one too many times and he put a topic in my confessional and was like 'do your meta'ing there so i don't have to click it"
spies8owen 2:29 pm
LMAO, did that to me too.
spies8chance 2:29 pm
how do you feel about cinn getting her vote back?
hahah!
spies8owen 2:29 pm
I then made a thread in response titled "Place to theorize about why Sam is so aggro with me"
But I guess it's not just me.
h
spies8chance 2:29 pm
:-P
nope, did it to me too.
spies8owen 2:30 pm
I'm sorry, but meta CAN work.
spies8owen 2:30 pm
I don't like using it, but it can work.
spies8chance 2:30 pm
i don't like using it period.
one thing i hate is people saying 'oh sam wouldn't do that' because you know what?
look at andreas.
spies8owen 2:31 pm
Gift giver is a town role, duh.
h
spies8chance 2:31 pm
;-)

[Chance]

with lilith -


spies8lilith is available 1:34 pm
spies8chance 1:34 pm
sup lil.
spies8lilith 1:34 pm
hello
spies8chance 1:34 pm
what's going on? :-)
spies8lilith 1:34 pm
Preparing for prison. :-P
spies8chance 1:34 pm
...joy?
spies8lilith 1:35 pm
Indeed.
spies8chance 1:35 pm
oh, you expect to be imprisoned?
spies8lilith 1:35 pm
Do I get to see Nita in prison? She was kind of hot.
Not expect, I just see a high chance of being imprisoned.
spies8chance 1:35 pm
honestly after that whole doctor thing i might agree with you. :-(
but i wonder if the spies might not go after a vote-holder.
owen's immune, but mary and cinn aren't.
spies8lilith 1:35 pm
Why got after a vote holder?
spies8chance 1:36 pm
to make it easier to exile who the spies want?
spies8lilith 1:36 pm
I can see Mary going because a lot of people trust her as a clear citizen. I, however, do not see her as a clear citizen :-P .
spies8chance 1:36 pm
i don't know, seems like something the spies would do, go after powerful people.
spies8lilith 1:36 pm
The spies are going after people who appear fullblown town, (hence Gabe and Nita).
spies8chance 1:36 pm
i still don't understand the gabriel imprisoment.
spies8lilith 1:37 pm
Exactly, the only reason to do so is if there strategy is to go after town people, or if they were hunting for the dr., who they assume is on the original reps. because the original saved target was on the reps.
spies8chance 1:37 pm
how do you know the original saved target was a republican?
spies8lilith 1:38 pm
Why would I answer that question to give you info :-P .
Looking from the outside, it is a safe assumption BECAUSE Gabe was imprisoned next.
spies8chance 1:39 pm
you've confused me.
are you going by allan's message? it's safe to say that was sent to him by a spy.
spies8lilith 1:40 pm
I meant the following:
Someone is saved, woohoo.
spies8lilith 1:40 pm
Mafia would then target someone who was on that person's original team, in hopes of getting the doctor.
spies8chance 1:41 pm
you can't just automatically assume that, though.
because there's no reason the doctor couldn't save across teams, firstly.
spies8lilith 1:41 pm
Only reasons to go after Gabe: people saw him as town, and he could possibly be the doctor in the mafia's eyes if they know which team they suspect doctor is on
spies8chance 1:41 pm
secondly, unless you're a spy, you can't know the logic behind their imprisonment.
spies8lilith 1:42 pm
You don't make very much sense ;-) .
spies8chance 1:42 pm
actually, i think you're the one not making sense, ;-) .

[Chance]

with cory - the boy likes to ignore me


spies8cory is available 1:46 pm
spies8chance 1:46 pm
'sup raptor boy.
spies8cory 1:50 pm
Yo!
spies8chance 1:50 pm
hey. ;-)
spies8cory 1:50 pm
Hold on, I'm reading up on my boy Thomas J
spies8chance 1:51 pm
thomas j, huh?
spies8cory 1:52 pm
Thomas J
not Thomas BJ
Fuck you Chance I know that's where you were headed
spies8chance 1:52 pm
huh? sorry, got lost in daydreaming after 'fuck you, chance', did you say something else?
spies8cory 1:52 pm
Lol
spies8chance 1:53 pm
;-)
spies8cory 1:54 pm
These little gay VS homophone chats will be a highlight after the game I think
homophobe
spies8chance 1:54 pm
you're not a homophobe, you have queer moments. remember?
i seem to remember a 'quivering schlong'.
spies8cory 1:55 pm
Lol.
Wet dream much?
spies8chance 1:55 pm
every night, sexy.
do i win another point? :-P
spies8cory 1:58 pm
Lose 5!
spies8chance 1:58 pm
pieces of clothing? okay, sure, whatever you say.
spies8cory 2:00 pm
No more philosostripping for you, toots.
spies8chance 2:00 pm
that must mean it's your turn. ;-)
spies8chance 2:04 pm
no snappy comeback? another point for me. :-)
spies8chance 3:15 pm
you there?

[Chance]

with jenny -

can you believe him?
spies8chance (12:01:54 AM): i mean, really.
spies8chance (12:06:37 AM): did you have time?
spies8chance (12:06:41 AM): wasn't this like an hour before exile?
spies8jenny (12:06:49 AM): Exactly an hour before.
spies8chance (12:06:54 AM): so say that?
spies8jenny (12:07:00 AM): I did.
spies8chance (12:07:08 AM): i mean, pushing alternate exiles with an hour to go isn't a surefire way of saving soeone.
spies8jenny (12:07:21 AM): Not to mention I spent half that time explaining what I knew.
spies8chance (12:20:52 AM): deep breaths.
spies8chance (12:20:58 AM): :-P
spies8jenny (12:21:56 AM): I'm flattered some of these people think I could do a roleclaim for Al, and then stop the mass bandwagoning that would come up onto Savanny and keep them from then going after Themby, but what did they really expect me to do there?
spies8chance (12:22:11 AM): i've been trying to tell them that.
spies8jenny (12:22:42 AM): I've been trying to do that since it first came up. Considering I was up for exile, it never seems to get across.
spies8chance (12:29:03 AM): oh yeah, he wants me :-P
spies8jenny (12:48:22 AM): Yeah that's more then I needed to know just now.
spies8chance (12:48:35 AM): :-P
spies8chance (12:48:37 AM): me too.
spies8chance (12:54:33 AM): am i her babysitter?
spies8chance (12:54:34 AM): :-P
spies8jenny (12:56:13 AM): Apparently
spies8jenny signed on at 9:16:52 AM
spies8jenny went away at 10:20:19 AM
spies8jenny returned at 12:45:57 PM
spies8jenny (1:13:24 PM): Hi Lucky!
spies8jenny (1:13:29 PM): How are you feeling today, any better?
spies8chance (1:13:32 PM): hey jen.
spies8chance (1:13:40 PM): yeah some.
spies8chance (1:13:51 PM): still can't see though.
spies8jenny (1:14:05 PM): Bigger text to be helpful then.
spies8jenny (1:14:26 PM): Imprisonment's tonight if I remember right.
spies8chance (1:14:35 PM): yeah.
spies8jenny (1:14:39 PM): Yeah here we go, about 6 hours.
spies8chance (1:15:35 PM): do you think the spies will go after the vote holders?
spies8chance (1:15:43 PM): i know owen is immune still, but mary and cinn aren't.
spies8jenny (1:16:44 PM): It's possible, but I don't know for sure.
spies8jenny (1:16:59 PM): Whatever happens though, it's sure to be helpful in starting to link things together.
spies8chance (1:17:17 PM): unless the spies go for lawrence. :-P
spies8chance (1:33:15 PM): anything going on in the group chat?
spies8jenny (1:36:40 PM): Not really.
spies8chance (1:36:51 PM): kay.
spies8chance (1:50:12 PM): i apparently can't get myself in there anyway,
spies8jenny (1:50:31 PM): Well then I'll invite
spies8chance (2:04:44 PM): lilith confuses me.
spies8chance (2:05:11 PM): also for the record i really want to think you're a cit, jenny. if that helps you feel any better. :-D
spies8jenny (2:05:17 PM):
spies8chance (3:09:22 PM): lazy, he's lazy!
spies8chance (3:09:23 PM): >.>
spies8chance (3:09:25 PM): grrrrrr.
spies8jenny (3:10:04 PM): Just ignore him I say. I don't think half the group is even listening to him right now really.
spies8jenny (3:10:49 PM): If he ever says something new that makes sense, great let's hear it. Until then I just feel like tuning him out.
spies8chance (3:11:18 PM): i know lilith is, and mary is, and mary has her vote back.
spies8chance (3:41:26 PM): so what does your star wars board look like right now?
spies8jenny (3:44:05 PM): Moved some stuff around a bit on there, but I got a feeling it's going to adjust a bit more after tonight.
spies8chance (3:45:28 PM): cool, cool.
spies8jenny (3:45:45 PM): We have, what, a bit over three hours?
spies8chance (3:45:57 PM): looks like, yeah.
spies8jenny (3:47:04 PM): I wonder if we'll have another rerun.
spies8chance (3:47:35 PM): rerun?
spies8jenny (3:47:53 PM): Gabe-Gabe's imprisonment was a repeat of one done back in spies2.
spies8chance (3:48:02 PM): oh, it was?
spies8chance (3:48:06 PM): i didn't know that.
spies8jenny (3:48:19 PM): I only realized that because I had happened to see it recently.
spies8jenny (3:52:50 PM): spies2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=holding834&action=display&thread=58

Look familiar?
spies8chance (3:55:08 PM): haha, sam, you cheater.
spies8jenny (4:06:12 PM): So I guess I'll see if you guys are done picking on her when I get back.
spies8chance (4:06:21 PM): who, gertie?
spies8chance (4:06:37 PM): i'm being clear that it's a joke. hence the destiny deflector business.
spies8chance (4:06:43 PM): lil is going overboard.

[Chance]

with tina -

spies8chance (2:04:15 PM): hi tina.
spies8tina (2:04:27 PM): Hello.
spies8chance (2:04:31 PM): what are you up to?
spies8tina (2:04:59 PM): Trying to figure out Lawrence as much as possible even though I am not able to talk with him.
spies8chance (2:05:29 PM): ah. yeah, i'm a little irritated by that. he's become more of a lurker than magalie.
spies8chance (2:05:42 PM): i'm about to answer cinnamyn's questions as soon as i get caught up.
spies8chance (2:05:51 PM): which reminds me - did you find my answer to your question satisfactory?
spies8tina (2:06:07 PM): Pretty much, it was as expected but clarification was needed.
spies8chance (2:06:36 PM): okay. again, sorry for not answering it earlier. if a question isn't specifically to me i tend to miss it.
spies8chance (2:08:10 PM): good lord, dane yells a lot.
spies8tina (2:08:33 PM): I just let him go, he will tire himself out eventually.
spies8tina (2:08:58 PM): Most fights I will stop. Dane just yells.
spies8chance (2:10:04 PM): so i've noticed.
spies8chance (2:10:17 PM): do you tend to look harder at the people no one else seems to be looking at?
spies8chance (2:10:26 PM): like, to my knowledge, you're the only person looking at lawrence right now.
spies8tina (2:10:37 PM): I am not the only one, there are a few others.
spies8tina (2:10:56 PM): When it is all the same suspects from everyone though, others are good to explore.
spies8chance (2:11:47 PM): i agree with that. which is why i think i'm going to be looking at cinnamyn next.
spies8chance (2:11:58 PM): i'd hate for her to just float by on the force of her personality.
spies8tina (2:12:08 PM): She is another very good outside suspect.
spies8tina (2:16:53 PM): Who are your suspects though?
spies8chance (2:17:49 PM): are you uneasy that she has her vote back?
spies8chance (2:17:56 PM): i meant to hit enter on that a long time ago, darnit.
spies8chance (2:17:57 PM): okay.
spies8chance (2:17:59 PM): my suspectss.
spies8chance (2:18:04 PM): *suspects.
spies8tina (2:18:05 PM): I did not want her with the vote back.
spies8chance (2:18:12 PM): jasmine.
spies8chance (2:18:26 PM): i still think claude has a chance (ha) to be a spy.
spies8chance (2:18:39 PM): rondak, possibly.
spies8tina (2:18:53 PM): Your top two suspects are two of the people Isaac was attacking/being attacked by?
spies8chance (2:19:11 PM): yes.
spies8chance (2:19:39 PM): given that isaac wasn't here to defend himself (or do anything, really) i think there could be bussing there.
spies8chance (2:19:47 PM): do i think claude looks better for the isaac lynch? yes.
spies8tina (2:19:55 PM): They were both on him pre-isaac leaving.
spies8chance (2:20:04 PM): but do i think claude is capable of bussing a fellow spy, and do i think he looks suspicious for earlier actions? yes.
spies8chance (2:20:43 PM): i also think cinnamyn could be a spy, and i don't really know what to think about broderick.
spies8chance (2:29:03 PM): reasons for suspecting jasmine -
spies8chance (2:29:22 PM): a lot of it is her absolute switch on me that took forever and a day to happen.
spies8chance (2:29:31 PM): first she thought i was a spy for 'swapping my suspects'.
spies8chance (2:30:05 PM): then for about three episodes, awohali asks her to give examples. she either says she's going to and doesn't, or changes the subject, or something else each time he asks.
spies8chance (2:30:28 PM): finally, once the merge happened, she admitted she didn't actually have anything on me and that her suspicion was just vibes.
spies8chance (2:30:38 PM): also, i don't like the timing of her switch to themba in exile 3.
spies8chance (2:30:52 PM): it's not the vote i question - self-preservation is a null tell as far as i'm concernece.
spies8chance (2:30:56 PM): ...concerned.
spies8chance (2:31:05 PM): but she says she switched to themba about half an hour before exile.
spies8chance (2:31:16 PM): i see no reason she couldn't have posted that somewhere, or told someone.

[Chance]

with stephanie -

spies8chance (10:01:56 PM): how do you think th bribe and the vote fog are related?
spies8chance (10:01:59 PM): no, i did not.
spies8stephanie (10:02:39 PM): well, i think it makes more sense than the confusion theory
spies8chance (10:03:23 PM): confusion theory?
spies8stephanie (10:03:48 PM): that the fog was to cause confusion
spies8chance (10:04:23 PM): i think it's likely one of claude/rondak is a spy, mostly becuase you were pushed up there in their place.
spies8stephanie (10:04:49 PM): and i don't think that really holds water
spies8chance (10:04:57 PM): why not?
spies8stephanie (10:05:07 PM): neither one of them was likely to be exiled by owen
spies8chance (10:05:24 PM): did the spies know that?
spies8stephanie (10:05:26 PM): why use the fog power at that point
spies8stephanie (10:05:44 PM): yea, i think everyone knew it
spies8chance (10:06:20 PM): so you think the fog power was used so someone wouldnt reveal that they were bribed with their vote?
spies8stephanie (10:06:27 PM): YES
spies8stephanie (10:06:49 PM): and i suspect that you might have been also bribed
spies8chance (10:07:01 PM): really? on what basis?
spies8stephanie (10:07:22 PM): well, i suspect that the bribees are you and gert who were both made immune
spies8stephanie (10:07:53 PM): you got lucky when claude stole your vote
spies8chance (10:07:54 PM): why do you think bribes and exile immunity are in any way connected?
spies8chance (10:08:03 PM): and why is that 'lucky'?
spies8stephanie (10:08:30 PM): cause we don't know who you were bribed to vote for
spies8chance (10:08:57 PM): first off, bribes are done for cash. not immunity. i'm not sure where you're getting that.
spies8stephanie (10:09:08 PM): this all started cause i couldn't figure out why anyone would make gertrude immune
spies8chance (10:09:32 PM): secondly - oh, i get it. you think i got lucky because claude stole my vote, so i couldn't vote for whoever i was 'bribed' to vote for.
spies8stephanie (10:09:37 PM): i could see you, but i couldn't figure out why gert?
spies8chance (10:10:18 PM): still, though, i wasn't bribed, and i don't see what connection you're drawing between bribes and immunity.
spies8chance (10:10:42 PM): and do you think people who were bribed are spies? i was considering if dane was innocent or not on the way home tonight because of that.
spies8stephanie (10:11:05 PM): i don't think it would be fair to let only one side offer bribes
spies8stephanie (10:11:17 PM): so i haven't quite worked all that out yet
spies8chance (10:11:34 PM): so you think there's a way for the cits to bribe people? interesting.
spies8stephanie (10:12:02 PM): i think there would have to be -- tho i have no clue how that would actually work -- but it would seem fair
spies8stephanie (10:12:52 PM): i think most people are thinking that bribers are spies
spies8chance (10:14:15 PM): good point, but i don't, in general, like to try and 'game the mod'.
spies8chance (10:14:24 PM): plus the only public bribe so far has been via the spies.
spies8stephanie (10:15:10 PM): it was when sam said during exile 3 that we have had our first "public" bribe, that i immediately thought that there must have been private bribes
spies8stephanie (10:15:44 PM): plus we're into episode 4 of "the bribe" and only 1 so far
spies8chance (10:15:47 PM): oh i don't disagree there.
spies8chance (10:16:08 PM): however, i wouldn't assume automatically that any private bribes were accepted.
spies8chance (10:16:23 PM): i'm sure there was the option to accept or decline, like in dane's.
spies8stephanie (10:16:51 PM): and private bribes would be way easier to accept, particularly in early round
spies8chance (10:17:00 PM): how so?
spies8stephanie (10:18:20 PM): how so? no stigma of having taken a bribe if it is public; in early rounds no one knows wtf is up and who is voting for whom
spies8chance (10:18:40 PM): that's true, i guess.
spies8chance (10:21:33 PM): but, again, not seeing the connection between bribes and immunity because cash is involved.
spies8stephanie (10:22:03 PM): yeah well that's why everyone thinks i'm crazy
spies8chance (10:22:24 PM): i'm not sure i'd go with crazy, if that makes you feel any better.
spies8stephanie (10:22:38 PM):
spies8chance (10:23:09 PM): however, i wasn't bribed, so i don't think gertie was (on basis of your immunity theory).
spies8chance (10:38:46 PM): mind explaining to me why you voted for lawrence?
spies8stephanie (10:39:34 PM): when he first came over to the republicans he was throwing around suspicions on his fellow democrats
spies8stephanie (10:39:48 PM): suspecting everyone and hoping to have one stick
spies8stephanie (10:40:19 PM): he was gut spy on broderick, most suspicious of jasmine, was preparing a case on isaac
spies8chance (10:40:33 PM): so he offered up suspicions of the people he'd been with the longest? doesn't sound overly bad to me.
spies8stephanie (10:40:36 PM): but never actually prepared that case
spies8chance (10:40:50 PM): has he been away or something? i haven't seen him online.
spies8stephanie (10:40:59 PM): he's never been here
spies8stephanie (10:41:24 PM): so where he got all these suspicions from is a mystery
spies8chance (10:41:40 PM): well, he was here prior to the switch, and he was with brod, jas, and isaac, so...
spies8stephanie (10:42:49 PM): i thought it all way too odd: he was most suspicous of jasmine, but when tina pressed him on a vote he said isaac or themba whom he had never met
spies8stephanie (10:42:57 PM): inconsistent at best
spies8chance (10:43:30 PM): i would like to ask him about why he said themba. however, he did say he was making a case on isaac, so obviously he was suspicious of him.
spies8stephanie (10:44:18 PM): yeah, but then never made the case
spies8stephanie (10:44:35 PM): which i find even more suspicious now that i know isaac was a spy
spies8stephanie (10:50:08 PM): and then there was his vote on me
spies8stephanie (10:50:28 PM): which i try not to omgus too much, but omgus
spies8chance (10:50:33 PM): hahaha.
spies8stephanie (10:50:56 PM): i pointed out the fallacy in his theory that i voted with alexei and tina confirmed it to him, but
spies8stephanie (10:51:04 PM): he continues to vote for me

[Chance]

done - gertie, dane, owen, jenny, tina, stephanie

in progress - cory, mary

to do - claude, magalie, jasmine, rondak, awohali, kiara, dane, lawrence, cinnamyn, allan, zedekiah, broderick, hambone

[Chance]

with allan -

spies8chance (3:38:19 PM): 'sup allan.
spies8allan (3:43:13 PM): hey chance
spies8allan (3:43:15 PM): whats goin on
spies8chance (3:43:22 PM): not a lot dude, you?
spies8chance (3:43:31 PM): i got a few questions for ya if you're up for it. :-P
spies8allan (3:44:37 PM): naw i'll pass
spies8allan (3:45:01 PM): JK JK
spies8chance (3:45:22 PM): :-P
spies8chance (3:45:24 PM): okay, question one.
spies8chance (3:45:31 PM): does your role have a name? i don't think i've ever heard it.
spies8allan (3:45:42 PM): not to be aloof,
spies8allan (3:46:03 PM): but i find it interesting that so many people have asked me that question
spies8chance (3:46:37 PM): claude gave his up willingly enough. i'm curious as to whether yours conflicts with or complements his.
spies8allan (3:47:20 PM): well, this may sound paranoid
spies8allan (3:48:29 PM): i've told it to others... go ask jenny or gert
spies8allan (3:48:46 PM): i'd rather not say it
spies8chance (3:49:08 PM): okay, sure.
spies8chance (3:49:20 PM): question two - i heard you used the power you got from claude on hambone. is that true?
spies8allan (3:49:29 PM): yep
spies8chance (3:49:47 PM): who'd you make him choose from?
spies8allan (3:54:53 PM): dane/cory/gert.... i know the next question is why.... i'd prefer you read the chatlog but if u want me to explain it here thats fine too
spies8chance (3:55:11 PM): i would, actually. i'm still playing catchup with all the new topics.
spies8allan (3:56:13 PM): ok, but i'm keeping it short n sweet
spies8allan (3:56:25 PM): picked Ham because i think he makes bad decisions
spies8chance (3:56:48 PM): so he'll make a bad decision this time too? :-P
spies8chance (3:56:49 PM): sorry, go on.
spies8allan (3:56:52 PM): i didn't want him leading a charge against jenny (sue for not wanting her out not getting into that)
spies8allan (3:57:09 PM): i made the decisions 5 days early, i was on vacay
spies8allan (3:57:24 PM): so my choices were 3 ppl that i knew weren't getting exiled at the time... didn't want to leave him with 2
spies8allan (3:57:34 PM): but were still on my radar
spies8allan (3:57:47 PM): cory, less so... don't expect him to get voted for
spies8allan (3:57:58 PM): gert goes with the majoriy, was my suspect when we were dems
spies8chance (4:00:08 PM): another question.
spies8chance (4:00:16 PM): why tell gertie your rolename if you suspect her?
spies8allan (4:00:24 PM): i didn't
spies8allan (4:00:33 PM): she suggested a couple things
spies8allan (4:00:37 PM): and i let her figure it out
spies8allan (4:00:45 PM): i just don't want to go on record saying the name
spies8allan (4:00:50 PM): in case its another task or something
spies8allan (4:01:01 PM): youre like the 3 or 4th person to ask specifically this round
spies8chance (4:01:01 PM): okay, but why even go that far if you suspect her?
spies8allan (4:01:08 PM): its fishy y it suddenly matters to everyone
spies8allan (4:01:15 PM): cuz she wouldn't let it go
spies8chance (4:01:23 PM): what if i don't let it go? :-P
spies8allan (4:01:33 PM): i already told u to go ask gert
spies8allan (4:01:37 PM): so u have an asnwer
spies8chance (4:01:45 PM): i asked jenny and i don't think she knows.
spies8chance (4:01:45 PM): :-P
spies8allan (4:01:48 PM): but if the task it to get me to specifially say it, i'm not giving it up
spies8chance (4:01:54 PM): i.e. nita, right?
spies8allan (4:01:56 PM): i told her before, she forgot
spies8allan (4:02:03 PM): so i told her to go ask gert too
spies8chance (4:02:07 PM): haha.
spies8allan (4:04:59 PM): so who r u going to try to get nominated this round?
spies8chance (4:05:12 PM): possibly jasmine.
spies8chance (4:05:30 PM): probably not claude this time around, i'm feeling better about him (although he's in my neutral category for balance).
spies8chance (4:05:42 PM): maybe rondak. probably not cinnamyn even though i suspect her a bit now.
spies8allan (4:06:52 PM): y cini-mini?
spies8allan (4:07:06 PM): no one has suspected her
spies8chance (4:07:13 PM): i see her doing a lot of questioning but not a lot of anything with the information she gets from them.
spies8chance (4:07:37 PM): her questions to me were kind of bad, honestly. one i'd answered previously. i kind of think she's slightly lurking, using her personality to slide through.
spies8allan (4:08:01 PM): i thought that about her originally
spies8allan (4:08:06 PM): had the same theory about nita
spies8allan (4:08:21 PM): that their character was their ability to be seen without contributing anything useful
spies8allan (4:08:39 PM): but nita proved me wrong.... and cini was very wise in my chat with her
spies8allan (4:08:56 PM): it was still in character, but very insightful
spies8allan (4:09:02 PM): in a way that a spy wouldn't be
spies8chance (4:09:47 PM): maybe i haven't had that kind of chat with her, then.
spies8chance (4:09:49 PM): we'll see.
spies8allan (4:10:26 PM): ya
spies8allan (4:15:59 PM): who did u vote for last time?
spies8chance (4:16:31 PM): for nomination?
spies8chance (4:16:33 PM): claude.
spies8allan (4:18:20 PM): haha of course i shoulda known that

[Chance]

with mary -

spies8chance (2:59:00 PM): mary, are you there?
spies8mary (2:59:06 PM): Hi.
spies8chance (2:59:10 PM): hi. :-)
spies8chance (2:59:13 PM): i have a question.
spies8mary (2:59:17 PM): Ok.
spies8chance (2:59:33 PM): i apologize if you've already answered this to dane, but if you did, i missed it.
spies8chance (2:59:52 PM): why do you like to withhold your suspicions until very late in the episode?
spies8mary (3:00:14 PM): Specifically about the Dane situation or in general?
spies8chance (3:00:19 PM): in general.
spies8chance (3:00:30 PM): i notice that you never (or almost never) post in the vote threads.
spies8mary (3:00:35 PM): No.
spies8chance (3:00:50 PM): no, i'm wrong, or no, you don't?
spies8mary (3:01:05 PM): I've been making my cases primarily directly to people.
spies8mary (3:01:17 PM): And stating my positions fairly plainly, I think.
spies8chance (3:01:29 PM): don't you think you'd get more support for your cases if you posted them publically, though?
spies8mary (3:01:50 PM): It has its up sides and its down sides.
spies8chance (3:02:31 PM): i mean, i definitely almost never know what you're thinking. maybe that's because you suspect me, :-P. but given that you're one of three who can vote this round, i'd like to know who you're thinking about.
spies8mary (3:02:41 PM): You can ask me any time, Chance.
spies8mary (3:02:49 PM): Except maybe Imprisonment day.
spies8chance (3:03:07 PM): good point. okay, so who are you thinking of voting as of right now?
spies8chance (3:03:14 PM): given that you don't know who will be nominated yet.
spies8chance (3:03:31 PM): i suppose maybe a better question is, who would you like to see nominated? feel free to answer either or both.
spies8mary (3:03:37 PM): You, Magalie, Gertrude, Lawrence.
spies8chance (3:04:02 PM): if those four were nominated, who do you think you'd vote for at this time?
spies8mary (3:04:11 PM): Probably you.
spies8chance (3:04:18 PM): can i ask why?
spies8mary (3:04:23 PM): Yes.
spies8mary (3:04:32 PM): A lot of reasons.
spies8mary (3:05:15 PM): I think you've twisted words to make cases or place suspicion on people several times.
spies8mary (3:05:33 PM): I felt you were setting me up for exile one in various ways until I called you out on it.
spies8chance (3:05:59 PM): okay, you've mentioned that before.
spies8mary (3:05:59 PM): I don't think you've had a solid worldview of suspicions.
spies8chance (3:06:07 PM): have you asked me?
spies8chance (3:06:14 PM): lately, i mean.
spies8mary (3:06:26 PM): Not recently, but yes, I intended to chat with you today.
spies8mary (3:06:41 PM): Tina tells me you still suspect Claude and Jasmine most.
spies8mary (3:06:48 PM): Is that correct?
spies8chance (3:06:55 PM): yes.
spies8chance (3:07:24 PM): jasmine rather more than claude right now, actually.
spies8mary (3:07:28 PM): Have you added to your Claude case or reconsidered it based on anything that's happened since early episode 2?
spies8chance (3:07:48 PM): yes, i've reconsidered how the isaac exile makes claude look.
spies8chance (3:08:21 PM): and i think it makes him look better, but i also think that claude is an experienced enough player to be able to bus a spy that ended up not being around to defend himself.
spies8mary (3:08:27 PM): What aspect of the Isaac exile makes Claude look good?
spies8chance (3:09:27 PM): the fact that to my knowledge, he was one of the first to be against isaac, and seemed to be serious about the case, up to voting isaac instead of me (which to be frank i expected him to do).
spies8chance (3:09:50 PM): i don't think isaac ever defended himself against claude specifically, though, did he?
spies8mary (3:09:50 PM): Ok.
spies8mary (3:10:03 PM): Isaac attacked Claude specifically.
spies8chance (3:10:17 PM): attacked, yes, i remember reading that.
spies8chance (3:10:28 PM): but are attacking and defending the same thing?
spies8mary (3:10:32 PM): No.
spies8mary (3:10:38 PM): I'd have to go back and look.
spies8chance (3:10:48 PM): what i mean is, did isaac ever address the points claude made against him, or was he gone by then?
spies8mary (3:11:05 PM): Let me go check the forum real quick.
spies8chance (3:11:08 PM): okay.
spies8chance (3:11:39 PM): also, i think we've discussed you thinking i was setting you up for exile before.
spies8mary (3:11:52 PM): June 22
spies8mary (3:11:53 PM): Unsure:
Gertrude
Isaac
Lawrence
Lilith
Magalie
spies8mary (3:12:07 PM): June 24
spies8mary (3:12:08 PM): I will be voting either Magalie or Isaac. I am still deciding.
spies8mary (3:12:27 PM): June 27
spies8mary (3:12:28 PM): The team switch moved the other person I had real suspicions towards, which was Isaac.
spies8mary (3:12:48 PM): June 30
spies8mary (3:12:50 PM): I have never talked to half of those people, but I'm more suspicious of them(Tina, Stephanie, Themba) than I am of most of the Democrats. Plus Isaac is on that side also.
spies8chance (3:13:00 PM): claude said he was suspicious of isaac for supposedly being suspicious of themba and jasmine, but voting for jasmine, didn't he?
spies8mary (3:13:19 PM): July 2 to Owen:
spies8mary (3:13:20 PM): I would just end up picking one of the people that I personally suspected(which, as stated, would currently be Isaac or Chance).
spies8chance (3:13:39 PM): hmm.
spies8mary (3:13:41 PM): Isaac just might be my #1 suspect now though, after the post where he agreed with what people were saying was suspicious about Themba, and then..ended up voting Jasmine(whom Themba was voting at the time). These kinds of insincere posts are almost always scum mistakes, not town ones. Plus, the entire time he was on my side, he did nothing but sit on the sidelines and try to egg people on.
spies8chance (3:13:56 PM): much as i hate to say it, i'm not sure a spy would hold onto a bus for that long.
spies8chance (3:14:06 PM): i guess it's possible but i'm not sure how likely.
spies8mary (3:14:12 PM): For some more general observations/accusations against Isaac, he has largely sat on the sidelines and poked at people that were already under suspicion by others, without actually putting for much of his own effort.
spies8mary (3:14:24 PM): Here's how Isaac attacked him:
spies8mary (3:14:39 PM): spies8isaac: Margot has been a suspicion but what I think you may be focusing on is the fact that since day one Cnace and Claude have pretty much had the top tow spots on my list.
spies8mary (3:14:52 PM): "Isaac attacked Jasmine for not reading Chance's attack on Claude."
spies8mary (3:15:12 PM): Direct attack of Jasmine, indirect attack of Claude, indirect support for you.
spies8mary (3:15:17 PM): Does that make sense?
spies8chance (3:15:30 PM): yeah, i see it.
spies8mary (3:15:44 PM): spies8mary: I think Chance is probably a spy.
spies8mary: He seems to have given up and instead of quitting, he's locked on to one "suspect" like a mad dog.
spies8isaac: He's still a top suspect of mine, but can't really do anything about it tonight.
spies8mary (3:15:56 PM): spies8mary: Who are your top three suspects right now?
spies8chance (3:16:00 PM): i never gave up. :-(
spies8mary (3:16:06 PM): spies8isaac: Right now I still have a big problem with claude. Magalie seems to be on the offensive for some reason which is odd. And Jasmine has gone way up on list list of suspects ever since she blatantly addmitted to not wanting to read arguments by people she doesn't like which is complete BS and screws the rest of us.
spies8mary (3:16:18 PM): spies8isaac: I get the same uncertain feeling from Chance, but with him it's harder to put my finger on what exactly I don't like
spies8mary (3:16:42 PM): He consistently attacked Claude and Jasmine.
spies8mary (3:17:01 PM): And wanted it known that he suspected you, but the comments were always weak.
spies8chance (3:17:15 PM): he never came to me personally to say he suspected me, either.
spies8mary (3:17:25 PM): Didn't that bother you?
spies8chance (3:17:32 PM): i'm having a hard time letting go of what made claude suspicious early on, to be honest.
spies8chance (3:17:43 PM): yes, it bothered me, but i never really looked at isaac in-depth.
spies8mary (3:17:45 PM): I can tell you got locked in for whatever reason.
spies8chance (3:17:47 PM): i recall liking his points on jasmine.
spies8mary (3:17:59 PM): I feel like you were Claude+Jasmine for 3 weeks.
spies8chance (3:18:01 PM): can you admit that claude is just as locked in on me? especially this episode.
spies8chance (3:18:12 PM): mary, i've been gone and sick for nearly two weeks.
spies8mary (3:18:13 PM): And when you added Jenny + Magalie to your list, you couldn't really explain why.
spies8mary (3:18:22 PM): Are you feeling better?
spies8chance (3:18:30 PM): mostly, but i won't be able to put my contacts in for a week.
spies8chance (3:18:37 PM): i have conjunctivitis.
spies8chance (3:18:38 PM): pink eye.
spies8mary (3:18:39 PM): I hope they gave you some Azasite for your eyes.
spies8chance (3:18:49 PM): they gave me some kind of drops.
spies8mary (3:18:52 PM): Is it allergic conjunctivitis?
spies8chance (3:18:54 PM): viral.
spies8mary (3:18:58 PM): Ok.
spies8mary (3:19:03 PM): Someone slimed you.
spies8chance (3:19:12 PM): i honestly don't know how i got it.
spies8chance (3:19:18 PM): may i address a point you made previously?
spies8mary (3:19:22 PM): Yes.
spies8chance (3:19:30 PM): the one about you thinking i was setting you up for exile.
spies8mary (3:19:33 PM): Yes.
spies8mary (3:19:40 PM): You talked about all the people you liked.
spies8chance (3:19:44 PM): to my knowledge, you're referring to the chat where i said 'things seem to be coming back to mary', right?
spies8mary (3:19:44 PM): And wouldn't vote for.
spies8mary (3:19:52 PM): That's a part of it.
spies8mary (3:20:01 PM): But also, you narrowed your list earlier in the day
spies8mary (3:20:09 PM): Based on who was fun, and I wasn't.
spies8chance (3:20:14 PM): that was an observation, to be honest. you weren't around and things did seem to be revolving a bit around you.
spies8mary (3:20:24 PM): And then you started in on the "isn't she suspicious" thing.
spies8chance (3:20:31 PM): did i say that?
spies8mary (3:20:42 PM): That seemed to be the net effect.
spies8chance (3:20:43 PM): i do recall specifically never being serious about voting you.
spies8mary (3:20:57 PM): It felt like you were testing the waters.
spies8mary (3:21:10 PM): You do realize Claude and Broderick jumped me when I got back that night.
spies8mary (3:21:18 PM): With quotes from you.
spies8chance (3:21:27 PM): misrepresentational quotes?
spies8mary (3:21:30 PM): Yes.
spies8mary (3:21:34 PM): As we've discussed.
spies8chance (3:21:53 PM): well, i have been better about not accidentally misinterpreting people lately.
spies8mary (3:21:58 PM): Ok.
spies8chance (3:22:08 PM): that really was just a day one playstyle difference. much like me saying you thought cory was pushy.
spies8chance (3:22:15 PM): it actually turned out that claude had said cory was pushy.
spies8chance (3:22:19 PM): i showed that to awohali.
spies8mary (3:22:24 PM): Ok.
spies8mary (3:22:33 PM): Who else do you suspect besides Claude and Jasmine?
spies8chance (3:22:49 PM): to a lesser extent, rondak, and lesser than that, cinnamyn.
spies8chance (3:22:58 PM): honestly my reason for rondak is similar to claude's.
spies8chance (3:23:07 PM): i think the vote fog was used to push stephanie into the running for exile.
spies8chance (3:23:21 PM): plus i haven't seen him around in ages, much like lawrence.
spies8mary (3:23:34 PM): What do you think of the Dane bribe?
spies8chance (3:23:50 PM): i think it makes him look better, to be honest.
spies8mary (3:23:57 PM): Why?
spies8chance (3:24:12 PM): if he's a spy, then the spies wasted a bribe on him knowing he'd decline it when they could have used it elsewhere and maybe had it accepted.
spies8mary (3:24:52 PM): Do you know who Dane was considering voting for at the time?
spies8chance (3:25:05 PM): wasn't it stephanie?
spies8mary (3:25:18 PM): Stephanie, Themba, Savannah, Allan, Zed.
spies8chance (3:25:33 PM): i discussed this with cory yesterday, i think. but i don't think we came to any conclusions. the discussion kind of just fizzled.
spies8mary (3:25:52 PM): I don't see a clear purpose in it.
spies8mary (3:26:09 PM): With the vote shroud, if a spy did it, the effect is so obvious.
spies8chance (3:26:18 PM): i'm not sure i do either, but i think my point still stands.
spies8chance (3:26:26 PM): if dane was a spy, the spies would know he'd just decline it, right?
spies8chance (3:26:38 PM): granted it could be some kind of elaborate double-bluff.
spies8mary (3:26:42 PM): It protected Rondak and Claude and put Isaac, Stephanie and Jenny in more danger, right?
spies8chance (3:26:49 PM): but my instinct is citizen.
spies8chance (3:26:52 PM): regarding the vote fog, yes.
spies8chance (3:27:16 PM): given our recent discussion, i'm feeling better about claude, so rondak i think looks odd there. why protect him?
spies8mary (3:27:29 PM): Was there any chance of him going over Isaac?
spies8chance (3:27:46 PM): i don't know, i didn't really talk to owen that episode.
spies8mary (3:27:53 PM): spies8dane: if the nomination was between....
[23:19] spies8dane: Stephanie
[23:19] spies8dane: Isaac
[23:19] spies8dane: and Zedekiah
[23:19] spies8dane: who would you murder?
[23:19] spies8owen: Isaac.
[23:19] spies8dane: that was quick
spies8mary (3:28:04 PM): spies8dane: is there anyone else that you would eliminate over isaac?
[23:20] spies8jasmine: Are you trying to make isaac stay, dane?
[23:20] spies8dane: no, just curious because of how quick his answer was
spies8mary (3:28:21 PM): It seemed people were quite aware.
spies8chance (3:28:38 PM): then why use the vote fog at all?
spies8mary (3:28:39 PM): So why protect Rondakspy if he didn't need to be protected?
spies8chance (3:28:46 PM): unless kiara is right and it was isaac's power to use.
spies8mary (3:28:47 PM): I don't know.
spies8chance (3:29:05 PM): insurance?
spies8chance (3:29:09 PM): be right back, bathroom.
spies8mary (3:29:11 PM): Ok.
spies8mary (3:29:51 PM): Back to your suspects, if that's all your evidence on Rondak I'll move on.
spies8mary (3:30:14 PM): I think Cinnamyn's sketchy for the way she's approached you and Claude.
spies8mary (3:30:25 PM): I'll grab a quick lunch and be back in a second.
spies8chance (3:31:39 PM): i'm back.
spies8chance (3:32:11 PM): on cinnamyn, i see her fomenting a lot of discussion and asking a lot of questions, but i can never quite see what she does with the information she gets.
spies8mary (3:33:27 PM): She said you two were both spies.
spies8mary (3:33:35 PM): Then she said one or the other.
spies8mary (3:33:39 PM): Then she said neither.
spies8mary (3:33:54 PM): Never really reasons.
spies8chance (3:34:03 PM): did she say we were both spies, or did she say we were the same alignment?
spies8mary (3:34:31 PM): And now she posts eight questions for Claude right when he's appeared to help lead the Isaac exile.
spies8mary (3:34:40 PM): And four weak questions for you.
spies8chance (3:35:00 PM): one of which i think i'd answered elsewhere. the one about magalie.
spies8mary (3:35:17 PM): Yes, that's why it's weak.
spies8mary (3:35:49 PM): I actually made that point in group chat first I think.
spies8chance (3:35:57 PM): which point?
spies8mary (3:37:16 PM): About Magalie.
spies8chance (3:37:39 PM): does it seem to you that cinnamyn is kind of floating through on her personality?
spies8mary (3:37:48 PM): Who does she suspect?
spies8chance (3:38:09 PM): i don't know. but if she thinks neither i nor claude are spies, why question us?
spies8mary (3:38:26 PM): Right.
spies8chance (3:38:56 PM): i want to talk to her some more, but she doesn't seem to be on aim much lately.
spies8chance (3:39:00 PM): and not for very long when she is.
spies8mary (3:39:19 PM): Her shizz post doesn't really say much.
spies8mary (3:39:27 PM): Claude agreed with me.
spies8chance (3:39:33 PM): no, it doesn't.
spies8mary (3:40:18 PM): What do you think of Jasmine?
spies8chance (3:40:39 PM): didn't i answer that one already?
spies8chance (3:40:52 PM): maybe i gave my reasons to someone else.
spies8chance (3:40:54 PM): is that what you're asking?
spies8mary (3:40:57 PM): Yes.
spies8chance (3:41:00 PM): okay.
spies8chance (3:41:58 PM): a lot of it is that she seemed to bandwagon on me early on, when i was facing a lot of suspicion. the reason she gave was that i 'swapped my suspects around'. but for the next two episodes, awohali kept asking her to give examples and she never did. she'd say she was going to, or change the subject, or something else.
spies8chance (3:42:14 PM): finally when the merge happened she admitted she didn't have any examples or evidence on me and that she suspected me based on vibes.
spies8chance (3:43:17 PM): also, i don't like the timing of her switch to themba during exile three. the vote itself isn't suspicious, but she said she switched about half an hour before exile. that's plenty of time to make a post in the voting thread that you're changing your vote, yet she didn't. i'm not even sure she told anybody. maybe lilith knew.
spies8mary (3:44:04 PM): Didn't Lilith make her do that?
spies8chance (3:44:28 PM): she said she did it because lilith told her that she was getting votes, yes.
spies8chance (3:44:43 PM): i'm not suspicious of her reason for her vote - it was self-preservation.
spies8mary (3:44:58 PM): Yes.
spies8chance (3:45:18 PM): but i think the fact that she didn't tell anyone could have made the difference between themba being exiled, or not. i'm not for sure, being that i wasn't on that side.
spies8mary (3:45:54 PM): Who else was close enough to be exiled?
spies8chance (3:46:06 PM): the democrat's pick. magalie.
spies8mary (3:46:30 PM): But Jasmine's switch didn't affect that part.
spies8mary (3:46:45 PM): It only decided Themba/Jasmine, right?
spies8chance (3:47:23 PM): yes, but themba might have defended herself better if she'd known she was getting more votes, right?
spies8mary (3:47:49 PM): I think she won by two.
spies8mary (3:48:01 PM): Was her exile a surprise?
spies8chance (3:48:27 PM): if themba won by two votes over jasmine, she would have only won by one had jasmine not voted her. seems like a close exile to me.
spies8chance (3:48:44 PM): honestly i hadn't paid much attention to the republican side that early.
spies8mary (3:49:56 PM): Do you think the Jasmine-Isaac interactions over three episodes look like bussing?
spies8chance (3:50:44 PM): i remember liking isaac's points on jasmine. so with my track record, probably. :-P
spies8chance (3:50:57 PM): jasmine made a thread about isaac, didn't she? let me go look over that.
spies8mary (3:51:02 PM): Yes.
spies8mary (3:51:12 PM): Do you think a spy would raise good points about another spy?
spies8chance (3:51:25 PM): it's happened before.
spies8mary (3:51:31 PM): Yes.
spies8mary (3:51:47 PM): But less often does the spy start the case.
spies8chance (3:52:29 PM): i suppose that's true.
spies8chance (3:52:37 PM): what do you think of my first reason for suspecting jasmine?
spies8mary (3:53:37 PM): spies8chance: a lot of it is that she seemed to bandwagon on me early on, when i was facing a lot of suspicion. the reason she gave was that i 'swapped my suspects around'. but for the next two episodes, awohali kept asking her to give examples and she never did.
spies8mary (3:53:50 PM): That?
spies8chance (3:54:00 PM): that and the follow up, yes.
spies8mary (3:54:40 PM): I recall looking for her suspicions before and not always being impressed.
spies8mary (3:59:46 PM): I need to go water my plants before they die in this heat. I'll be right back.
spies8chance (3:59:56 PM): okay.
spies8chance (4:02:14 PM): hmm.
spies8chance (4:02:19 PM): i'm wondering about allan now.

[Chance]

with broderick -


spies8broderick is available 4:48 pm
spies8chance 4:48 pm
broderick, what do you think about allan?
spies8broderick 4:50 pm
In general or alignment wise?
spies8chance 4:50 pm
either or both is fine.
spies8broderick 4:53 pm
He is gullible. Leaning cit for the time being
spies8chance 4:54 pm
i've found a couple things just recently on him that make me raise an eyebrow.
what do you make of him lying about reading the case on alexei?
spies8broderick 4:55 pm
I didnt know he lied about that. Knew he lied to Hambone, but not the subject matter
spies8chance 4:57 pm
apparently he said he read the case on alexei and suspected him for it, then retracted. at least as far as i can tell, haven't actually confronted allan about it yet. i figure it's been a topic of discussion for him for quite some time.
but in any case, there's also the paranoia about his rolename.
apparently gertrude is his main suspect, but when i asked him about his rolename, he told me to go ask gertrude. apparently she's the only person he's let figure it out.
spies8broderick 4:59 pm
I know his rolename
spies8chance 5:00 pm
did he tell you?
if he did, then that's actually another lie right there.
spies8broderick 5:00 pm
Why did he let Gertie figure it out if he suspects her?
He didn't directly tell me no
spies8chance 5:00 pm
that's exactly my point, broderick.
why /did/ he?
the answer i got was that she wouldn't let it go.
which suggests he caves to pressure. however, his actions with hambone in the group chat say otherwise.
what do you mean by 'didn't directly tell you'?
spies8broderick 5:02 pm
He didn't say 'my rolename is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx''
I figured it out when he was telling me about the message he got
spies8chance 5:06 pm
hmm.
well, it still seems like a massive contradiction to me.
since he said 'i only let gertie figure it out' in so many words.
spies8broderick 5:08 pm
Id say letting your suspect figure it out is def fishy
spies8chance 5:08 pm
i would agree.
plus i found another interesting thing in the group chat.
allan said that one of jenny, lawrence, dane, and ? is a spy.
however, jenny is the person he claimed to day one. sooo....?
spies8broderick 5:09 pm
question mark is a spy?
That is odd
spies8chance 5:09 pm
yes.
spies8broderick 5:12 pm
Whyd he say that statement, and with a question mark?
spies8chance 5:12 pm
i don't remember the context. it's in the group chat.

[Chance]

with cory -


spies8cory is available 4:47 pm
spies8cory 4:47 pm
[Offline IM sent 9s ago] !
spies8chance 4:47 pm
?
i also have a bone to pick with you, mister.
spies8chance 4:50 pm
but for now, what do you think of allan?
spies8cory 4:53 pm
Umm
He seems fine
Also, I am contemplating voting you, Chancey
Sorry, I was shaving my manbeard. Lol
So.
Bone.
Please tell me this is not another sexual innuendo
spies8chance 4:55 pm
it wasn't until just now. :-P
spies8chance 4:55 pm
but it does involve something hambone said about you wanting him to suck your dick?
anyway.
also the 'fuck my life, chance' three seconds before i entered the chatroom wounds me. :9
:-(
spies8cory 4:56 pm
Lol what the fuck
No
He said h to me earlier
spies8chance 4:56 pm
the main thing though is that from - yes, i just read it in the group chat. :-P
spies8cory 4:56 pm
And I said, "Yeah bitch. Suck it."
spies8chance 4:56 pm
don't lie to yourself.
see, if you'd said that to me... :-P
spies8cory 4:56 pm
Lol.
I say it only to offend.
It worked.
spies8chance 4:57 pm
wouldn't have offended me in the slightest. ;-)
spies8chance 5:02 pm
anyway.
from what i saw in the group chat, a lot of the reason you're considering voting me is... isaac.
spies8cory 5:03 pm
Yes.
spies8chance 5:03 pm
i didn't think you were claude in disguise. :-P
spies8cory 5:03 pm
Oh, but I am.
I get "distancing" feelings from his interactions with you
spies8chance 5:03 pm
nah, that's another ruse to get me to stop being sexually attracted to you.
spies8cory 5:03 pm
Perhaps it is!
spies8chance 5:03 pm
if it is, it's failed.
;-)
spies8cory 5:03 pm
Go figure!
spies8chance 5:04 pm
but you'll notice i had next to nothing to do with isaac, correct?
doesn't distancing usually involve two parties?
also, please define the word 'frame' for the class. :-P
point being isaac was a spy.
spies8cory 5:05 pm
Well
You were kind of MIA at the time, if I recall correctly
spies8chance 5:05 pm
you do.
spies8cory 5:06 pm
Can't distance if you ain't around!
spies8chance 5:06 pm
can't say much about the case on isaac if i ain't around, either.
:-P
i'm starting to think you just want me exiled so i'll stop hitting on you.
spies8cory 5:07 pm
Nah
It was annoying at first
But I've grown to not mind it.
NOT TO SAY I APPRECIATE IT
spies8chance 5:07 pm
because you do?
;-)
spies8chance 5:07 pm
it makes you feel desirable?
spies8cory 5:07 pm
Chance
My shanker is forever crippled like a shriveled pickle because of our chat that one night.
spies8chance 5:08 pm
no it's not. i can tell. i have a sixth sense. ;-)
and if you don't believe me, maybe i can un-cripple it for you. ;-)
spies8cory 5:08 pm
Not even Savannah welcoming me into the gates of paradise can revive it.
spies8chance 5:09 pm
that sounds like a challenge. ;-)
so, it honestly bothers me a little that the only reason you have for possibly voting me is how isaac acted towards me... something i have no control over.
spies8cory 5:11 pm
Doesn't matter if you have no control over it, Chancey poo
It's there. I must consider it
I also don't really like your JasMan suspicion
Even with Lilith gone, you suspect her?
spies8chance 5:11 pm
yes. didn't i tell you why?
main reason - bandwagoning on me early, when i was almost exiled, and later avoiding awohali until finally being forced to admit she had nothing on me.
spies8cory 5:13 pm
1) Did you feel she had no reason to bandwagon you?
2) What do you mean avoiding Awohali?
brb
spies8chance 5:13 pm
i'll answer 2 first.
each time (that i saw) awohali asked jasmine to supply examples of me 'swapping my suspects around' (her stated reason for voting me), she either had to leave, or said she'd do it later, or something like that.
it wasn't until after the merge that she finally admitted that no, she had no evidence on me.
spies8chance 5:15 pm
and honestly, to answer 1, it felt a lot like she was pushing for an easy exile on me.
if camilla hadn't forgotten to vote i would have at the very least tied her for exile, and very likely exiled myself.
spies8chance 5:23 pm
nothing to say?

[Chance]

done - gertie, dane, owen, jenny, tina, stephanie, mary, allan, cory, broderick

to do - claude, magalie, jasmine, rondak, awohali, kiara, dane, lawrence, cinnamyn, zedekiah, hambone

[Chance]

with cinnamyn -


spies8cinnamyn is available 7:22 pm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IH8tNQAzSs 121d and 23h ago Comment
spies8chance 7:22 pm
'sup sweetness. :-)
spies8cinnamyn 7:22 pm
aye boo
how u doin
spies8chance 7:23 pm
okay, i guess. better, but can't see still. :-P
spies8cinnamyn 7:23 pm
well u still typin'! so i guess datz gud
spies8chance 7:23 pm
:-P yeah, it's like three inches from my face.
anyway how're you?
spies8cinnamyn 7:25 pm
i at my sisterz cabin 4 da weekend
n' da internet b shady but imma stay on 4 az long az it holds out lmbo
spies8chance 7:25 pm
nice. obviously she has internet. :-P
awesome :-P
so who you thinking of voting? you got the power, after all.
spies8cinnamyn 7:25 pm
i dunno
u n' claude confuse da fukk outta me
spies8chance 7:26 pm
he's in the neutral range for me. points for and points against.
i don't think i'm nominating him.
spies8cinnamyn 7:28 pm
who iz u lukin' at insted.?
spies8chance 7:28 pm
jasmine.
maybe rondak.
possibly allan.
and i want it on notice that i wonder about you, sweetness, so you're on there too. :-P
spies8cinnamyn 7:29 pm
aight
spies8chance 7:29 pm
i answered your questions in your thread, by the way.
i also answered claude's points against me. :-P
spies8cinnamyn 7:30 pm
of course u did.1
spies8chance 7:30 pm
i was civil!
jeez.
spies8cinnamyn 7:31 pm
ideally rite now id vote magalie or hambone
but it dont look lyke dat will happen
spies8chance 7:32 pm
first i've heard you mention hambone. why him?
and yeah, mags probably ain't voting herself. :-P
spies8cinnamyn 7:32 pm
i dont lyke hiz tunnel vishin on jenny
how he threw suspishin on zedekiah without ackshully postin' a case on him
spies8chance 7:33 pm
he either suspects or doesn't like allan quite a bit.
spies8cinnamyn 7:33 pm
dane n' lawrence r also up dere 4 me
i mite get a lawrence vote, but probs not
spies8chance 7:34 pm
also, notice - i'm not posting in your thread against claude. he's bound and determined i'm a spy and isn't going to entertain any other option.
spies8cinnamyn 7:35 pm
ppl r so noncommital in tha nom thred
i wish dey wuz a bit more specific so i cud no who i wuz lukin' at votin' 4
spies8chance 7:35 pm
claude isn't. :-P
i'm most likely to vote for jasmine, if that helps.
but maybe i'll win my vote back and that won't matter. :-P
spies8cinnamyn 7:37 pm
maybz
jenny will give u competishin
spies8chance 7:37 pm
yeah probably.
:-( can't hurt to try, right?
spies8cinnamyn 7:37 pm
nope
gud 2 talk 2 ppl n e way
spies8chance 7:38 pm
yeah
looking at the case on lawrence right now.
i wish he'd show up, though. i don't want sam's last spies game to have modkills.
spies8cinnamyn 7:44 pm
me neitha
mos' of my stuff on him tho iz jus' me wanted 2 hear hiz answerz 2 my queschinz
may b he will cum back n' answer

[Chance]

with claude -


spies8claude is available 6:57 pm
spies8chance 6:57 pm
hey claude. busy?
spies8claude 6:57 pm
I suppose I'm going to have to talk to you for 15 minutes..blah.
spies8chance 6:58 pm
don't you sound enthusiastic.
i was wondering what you thought of allan.
spies8claude 6:58 pm
I guess it's reasonable enough to find out whom you're suspicious of, in the event that you get exiled and aren't a Spy, so, now is a decent time.
I dunno about Allan.
Some of his actions don't make much sense.
spies8chance 6:58 pm
i found one thing that makes me look at him kind of oddly.
spies8claude 6:58 pm
And trying to quit the game is..blah.
spies8chance 6:58 pm
well, he's very paranoid about his rolename.
spies8claude 6:59 pm
But his explanation of why he decided to talk to Jenny about his roleclaim was too flawed to have been made up, I think.
spies8chance 6:59 pm
and gertie is apparently his main suspect. at least as far as i know.
spies8claude 6:59 pm
Gertie seems to be up there on a few people's list right now.
spies8chance 6:59 pm
yet according to a chat i had with him earlier, he says gertie is the only person he 'let figure it out'.
spies8claude 7:00 pm
let figure it out? What does that mean?
spies8chance 7:00 pm
he doesn't want to come right out and say his rolename, apparently, for fear that there's another nita about.
spies8claude 7:00 pm
his rolename..who cares what his rolename is.
spies8chance 7:00 pm
but she wouldn't let it go, apparently, so he gave hints or something and let her figure it out from that.
spies8claude 7:00 pm
I really doubt that there is more than one person like Nita around.
spies8chance 7:00 pm
that's not the point i'm making.
i agree.
spies8claude 7:00 pm
Okay..
I'll wait for the point then.
spies8chance 7:01 pm
my point is, if you're so paranoid about your rolename, why help your biggest suspect figure it out?
spies8claude 7:01 pm
Yeah, that is a good point.
spies8chance 7:01 pm
apparently he told jenny at some point and she forgot, or something. so he told her to 'go ask gerty'.
spies8claude 7:01 pm
But Allan is such an impressionable player, it doesn't really surprise me.
spies8chance 7:02 pm
yeah, but according to gertie, allan let several people know about it. but when i asked him he said only gertie, and then later in the chat said jenny.
so i'm confused.
lie or no?
spies8claude 7:02 pm
I'll ask him about it.
spies8chance 7:02 pm
i actually have the chat excerpts to back this one up. :-P
spies8claude 7:02 pm
Did you specifically ask him who knew it?
spies8chance 7:03 pm
i believe so, let me check.
spies8claude 7:03 pm
There is so much misinformation in chat based mafia, it's ridiculous.
spies8chance 7:04 pm
okay, what he specifically said -
spies8allan (3:48:29 PM):i've told it to others... go ask jenny or gert
and then
spies8chance (4:00:16 PM):why tell gertie your rolename if you suspect her? spies8allan (4:00:24 PM):i didn't spies8allan (4:00:33 PM):she suggested a couple things spies8allan (4:00:37 PM):and i let her figure it out
and then
spies8chance (4:01:45 PM):i asked jenny and i don't think she knows. spies8chance (4:01:45 PM)::-P spies8allan (4:01:48 PM):but if the task it to get me to specifially say it, i'm not giving it up spies8chance (4:01:54 PM):i.e. nita, right? spies8allan (4:01:56 PM):i told her before, she forgot spies8allan (4:02:03 PM):so i told her to go ask gert too
and that's all i'm quoting.
spies8claude 7:06 pm
That's just the kind of thing I'm talking about with Allan
spies8chance 7:06 pm
so first he says he told jenny and gertie.
and then he says no, he didn't tell gertie.
he just let her figure it out.
spies8claude 7:06 pm
His ideas are just like..lolnonsense.
spies8chance 7:06 pm
and then he says he told jenny to go ask gertie.
spies8claude 7:06 pm
But I think that is just him, not indicative of alignment.
spies8chance 7:06 pm
so i'm confused.
spies8claude 7:06 pm
I'll probe him about it and see what he says
spies8claude 7:06 pm
Whom else are you suspicious of
spies8chance 7:07 pm
jasmine. and yes, i know what you're going to say. 'what about the fight between her and isaac'?
to that i say, 'what about her avoiding awohali for two (three?) episodes when asked to give examples of my suspicious behavior to justify her bandwagon vote for me episode 1?'
spies8claude 7:08 pm
Sometimes I feel like Jasmine's fighting w/ Isaac was a gigantic bus.
But for the most part she seems trustworthy.
spies8chance 7:09 pm
see, i agree with you!
we're making progress. :-P
on the gigantic bus part, anyway.
so mags has her vote back.
who do you think she'll pick?
spies8claude 7:14 pm
Who kows.
knows
spies8chance 7:14 pm
for what it's worth, after talking to mary, i don't think i'm nominating you this round. :-)
spies8claude 7:14 pm
Awww.
spies8claude 7:15 pm
Who are you leaning towards, then?
spies8chance 7:15 pm
jasmine, possibly rondak for almost the same reasons as you, and possibly cinnamyn.
even though she won't vote for herself.
spies8claude 7:15 pm
It's so hard for me to even talk to you, heh. I still think you're a Spy, and I know that you're a capable enough player that you would talk to me here just to confuse me later. :-(
Cinnamyn eh. Interesting. She's moved up on my suspicion list recently.
spies8chance 7:16 pm
i don't like that she seems to be using her personality to kind of float by.
and mary brought up a good point that some of her questions in her new thread were pretty weak.
like one i'd answered before.
and i can't do anything about the fact that you think i'm a spy except to suggest that you look at isaac pointing fingers lightly at me in a different light, i.e. 'frame', because that's all you've posted against me.
but i don't want our chat to turn into a war, so. :-P
why is cinnamyn moving up for you?
spies8claude 7:22 pm
I don't feel like she is really participating much.
spies8chance 7:22 pm
she asks a lot of questions.
spies8chance 7:22 pm
but i don't really see where she's used what she got from said questions.
spies8claude 7:22 pm
And her questioning session yesterday, where she grills me the hardest(immediately after I was proven right about Isaac) is pretty suspect timing, as well.
spies8chance 7:30 pm
why?
sorry, talking to a few people.
spies8claude 7:31 pm
Mary brought it up, but bringing out all of your guns against someone the second that they start to look better in everyone elses eyes..shrug
spies8chance 7:33 pm
that's true, i guess.
spies8chance 7:36 pm
i guess that's been fifteen minutes. :-P
spies8claude 7:37 pm
And mostly civil at that.
spies8chance 7:37 pm
i know, right?
did it change anything for you?
spies8claude 7:37 pm
No, but if you die and are a citizen, obviously it'll be useful information.
spies8chance 7:37 pm
gee, thanks claude.
do take my advice and look at isaac in another light, though, hmm?
i've already said as much to cory.
spies8claude 7:38 pm
The way he acted toward you has very much added to my suspicions of you..so I'm not really sure what you mean.
spies8chance 7:38 pm
what if it's a frame job?
spies8claude 7:39 pm
I mean, it's possible.
But that's what you'd want me to think if you were a Spy?
spies8chance 7:40 pm
now you're tunneling.
just consider it.
i expect you probably haven't.
spies8claude 7:40 pm
You're right, I haven't
I'll look for any indication of it.
spies8chance 7:41 pm
that's all i can ask for.
i do have a chat excerpt (from one of exactly two major chats i had with the guy) that you might find interesting... of course, i suppose i could have faked it. :-P
spies8claude 7:42 pm
I assume that people don't fake chat excertps
What was said
?

spies8chance 7:43 pm
spies8chance (3:29:51 PM):something bothers me about jasmine. i'm going to ask her about it, but here's a peek - spies8chance (3:29:53 PM):question for jasmine - if you signed on 20-30 minutes before exile, as shown here -
[00:17] spies8jasmine: I didn't know, tbh. I signed on like 20-3 0 minutes before votes were due
why didn't you post your vote switch in the vote tally thread? spies8isaac (3:30:53 PM):She changed her vote last minute over something lilith said. It's in a post somewhere if I can find it. Hold on spies8isaac (3:34:02 PM):Hmmm, for some reason I can't pull up my chat logs. Basically because the votes were so close lilith IM'd Jasmine and persuaded her to change her mind. Since Jasmine didn't have strong feeling either way, she did
odd that someone who was going after jasmine to be exiled would defend her that way, hmm?
spies8claude 7:44 pm
Yeah.

[Chance]

with kiara -


spies8kiara is available 7:56 pm
spies8kiara 7:56 pm
well since you asked so nicely <3
spies8chance 7:56 pm
awww, thanks chica. <3
how're you?
spies8kiara 7:57 pm
good! just got home from a birthday dinner. had a few cocktails, so im feeling fine. :-D you?
spies8chance 7:57 pm
hahaha, nice.
i'm okay, talking to people because i'm feeling social.
and i want my vote back! :-P
spies8kiara 7:57 pm
lol most of my conversations this round were over my mobile, so i have near nothing. im not getting it :-(
spies8chance 7:58 pm
aww. :-( i'm sorry.
got a couple questions for you though, while you're online.
spies8kiara 7:58 pm
shoot
spies8chance 7:58 pm
why do you suspect cory?
also, why isn't claude in your list of nominees? feel free to answer the first one first. :-)
spies8kiara 7:59 pm
lol ok claude first.
actually, hold on. i expalined this to someone else, so ill c/p it. make my life easier. :-D
spies8chance 8:00 pm
don't break any rules!
spies8kiara 8:00 pm
small snippits are ok!
spies8chance 8:00 pm
okay. :-) just making sure.
spies8kiara 8:03 pm
i was also really suspicious of cluades role. i thought he might be lying about his role and gave you immunity when he took away yout vote. but if its confirmed by allens, then we know hes telling the truth. besides gertrude got it this round so that cant be it. so far weve seen a person giving exile immunity, a person covering up the votes, and a spy messenger. thats a lot of spy abilities. makes me thing claudes might be a cit ability after all
make sense>
spies8chance 8:03 pm
partially.
why is the person giving exile immunity necessarily a spy?
and gertie got immunity last round. you were suspicious of claude after that. i'm confused.
spies8kiara 8:04 pm
we have a doctor to protect us from imprisonemt, seems fair to have the spies be able to protect themselves from exile
because i didnt connect the dots until after i nominated him
spies8chance 8:04 pm
protection=/=immunity, though.
spies8kiara 8:05 pm
might as well. if you know, say, that im a spy and want to exile me. if i get immunity that buys me one more round to cast doubt. plus if i had a spy role id get one more use out of it at least
spies8chance 8:06 pm
that's true, but seems kind of overpowered to be a spy role, personally.
spies8kiara 8:06 pm
someone said that there was a spy role in a past game that granted exile immunity
spies8chance 8:06 pm
jenny, probably.
and yes, i believe there was, but it doesn't mean they're a spy this time.
possible? yes.
but i hate assuming that i know the mind of the moderator (tm).
spies8kiara 8:07 pm
i know, im just saying. could it be a cit role? sure. but my gut says no. and if im right thats a lot of spy roles. im not saying hes clean, im just shifting my focus off of him?
spies8chance 8:08 pm
okay, i get that. but why cory, then? i don't remember you talking about him, like, ever.
spies8kiara 8:11 pm
claude is only 15% right when he says its omgus. it comes from the 'insider information' comment he posted about me. i mean that whole thread is speculation. people saying 'well since this happen he has to be a spy and she has to be a cit'. i present a sounds, rational theory and i have inside information? for some reason i have a nagging fealing that perhaps i hit the nail square on the head! cory is a spy, and is nervous that either im a) bright or b) have a role so he wants to do away with me
spies8chance 8:12 pm
understandable, but the fact is that it's the one comment?
did you ask him if he meant it jokingly?
spies8kiara 8:14 pm
no, but i really dont get a joking vibe from that
but i guess i should, and will no
now
spies8chance 8:15 pm
might be a good idea.

[Chance]

done - gertie, dane, owen, jenny, tina, stephanie, mary, allan, cory, broderick, cinnamyn, claude, kiara

to do - magalie, jasmine, rondak, awohali, lawrence, zedekiah, hambone

[Chance]

with stephanie -


spies8stephanie is available 4:08 pm
spies8chance 4:08 pm
so steph.
spies8stephanie 4:08 pm
hey chance
spies8chance 4:08 pm
i'm gonna answer the only point you've made against me so far, k?
'chance is suspicious for voting magalie when he has no read on her. why couldn't he vote a lurker he had a read on?'
answer - i did. rondak.
now, since that happened /after/ you nominated me, mind explaining why you did so? i wasn't aware i was a suspect of yours.
spies8stephanie 4:09 pm
it sure looks like you voted mags to me
spies8chance 4:10 pm
that's where my vote ended up. where was it before? rondak. a lurker i had a read on.
spies8stephanie 4:11 pm
when did you vote rondak? under the fog?
spies8chance 4:11 pm
uh, did you bother to read the nomination thread at all?
i was on jasmine, then rondak, then magalie.
there was no fog.
spies8stephanie 4:12 pm
oh you mean that you talked about voting rondak
spies8chance 4:12 pm
uh, no, i mean that i did vote rondak.
and then changed my vote to magalie.
spies8stephanie 4:12 pm
mmk
spies8chance 4:13 pm
don't suppose you bothered to read my reason for switching either, didja?
and you haven't answered my question.
spies8stephanie 4:14 pm
i still am suspicious that you were made immune from exile
spies8chance 4:14 pm
so was gertrude.
spies8stephanie 4:14 pm
yes
spies8chance 4:14 pm
are you suspicious of her?
spies8stephanie 4:15 pm
but more suspicious of you
spies8chance 4:15 pm
why?
it's the same actino.
*action.
also, is that your sole reason for suspecting me?
and if it is, why not vote me before?
spies8stephanie 4:17 pm
i was also suspicious of claude before and didn't really believe claude's role
spies8chance 4:17 pm
did you vote for him? i don't recall.
spies8stephanie 4:17 pm
no i've been stuck on larry for 2 rounds
spies8chance 4:18 pm
so that's not a reason for not voting me.
also, other question, please.
is me being immune from exile episode 2 the only reason you're suspicious of me?
spies8stephanie 4:18 pm
i can only vote 1 person
unlike you
spies8chance 4:18 pm
um, i'm fairly sure i also only have one vote.
spies8stephanie 4:19 pm
also lilith was suspicious of you
spies8stephanie 4:19 pm
and then lilith was imprisoned
spies8chance 4:19 pm
and if you've been on larry for two rounds, i find it extremely odd that when it looks like he might actually be exiled, you suddenly switch to me out of the blue.
that's crap logic. claude's been the one steamrolling me for four episodes.
spies8chance 4:28 pm
still there?
spies8stephanie 4:29 pm
yes
spies8chance 4:29 pm
so?
spies8stephanie 4:29 pm
so what?
spies8chance 4:29 pm
there's several things up there for you to answer. i was wondering why you haven't.
spies8stephanie 4:30 pm
i did answer, you just think it's crap logic, so...
spies8chance 4:31 pm
your point about lilith being suspicious of me and then getting imprisoned making me suspicious IS crap logic, yes.
i'm talking about the prior things.
a - was me being immune from imprisonment episode 2 the only reason you voted me?
b - if you were stuck on larry for two rounds, why not vote him when he finally had a chance of being exiled?
spies8stephanie 4:32 pm
a - obv not, i've given you other reasons
spies8chance 4:32 pm
not any good ones. the only one so far is the lilith thing.
spies8stephanie 4:32 pm
b - i considered it, i just thought you were better option
spies8chance 4:32 pm
because i was immune in episode 2, apparently, which has been on record since before you even started on lawrence, so...
spies8stephanie 4:34 pm
you may not like my reasons, chance, you may call them crap logic, but at least i am voting who i think is scum
spies8chance 4:35 pm
'them'? i called the lilith thing crap logic. and it is. and i don't count it. which brings you down to one reason. that i was immune from exile.
spies8stephanie 4:36 pm
and that you vote your "no reads"
spies8chance 4:36 pm
and if that's the case, then you suddenly thinking i'm a better option after two rounds voting lawrence which coincides with tina putting up a case on him and him nearly being nominated... yeah, a little too coincidental for me.
that reason also doesn't count. you nominated me before i changed my vote to magalie.
spies8stephanie is offline

[Chance]

with mary - re: reveal

spies8mary 2:44 pm
Hi.
spies8chance 2:45 pm
'sup mary.
spies8mary 2:45 pm
Cory told me about your role.
spies8chance 2:45 pm
i have a role?
news to me.
spies8mary 2:45 pm
Great.
spies8chance 2:46 pm
cory seriously said i have a role?
what is he smoking?
i barely talk to cory other than to hit on him. :-P
spies8mary 2:46 pm
One of you is lying.
spies8chance 2:46 pm
what did he say?
spies8mary 2:46 pm
He said you protected yourself from Exile 2.
spies8chance 2:47 pm
how very interesting.
that seems like a blatantly checkable lie. cory's too smart to do something like that.
....motherfucker, cory.
fine. yeah, i did.
spies8mary 2:48 pm
I wasted two hours explaining my case to those three last night.
Owen was away from the computer probably, because he never responded when I asked him anything.
spies8chance 2:49 pm
i really didn't think cory would go behind my back last night.
*like that.
i was reading what you wrote.
spies8mary 2:49 pm
Cinnamyn said she was voting Magalie for pretty lame reasons but was utterly convinced you were a Citizen.
And Cory was trying to bullshit me about what convinced him you were a Cit.
He said you had these incredible chats with Isaac.
spies8chance 2:50 pm
the ones i paraphrased to him, yeah.
spies8mary 2:50 pm
He sounded like a big liar and I told him so.
spies8chance 2:50 pm
you could have asked me about those.
spies8mary 2:51 pm
He already did. They don't sound like much of anything.
You're the Devil?
spies8chance 2:51 pm
yes.
spies8mary 2:52 pm
Sounds like Dick Tracy.
spies8chance 2:52 pm
cory tells me he told you three things about me.
a, that i have a mason partner. b, that i can make people immune from exile. c, that my partner can make people immune from imprisonment.
all are true.
spies8mary 2:52 pm
Only two of those things are about you.
spies8chance 2:53 pm
semantics.
spies8mary 2:53 pm
The third thing he told me is that your role is restricted.
spies8mary 2:53 pm
Is that true?
spies8chance 2:53 pm
it is
i can only make someone immune from exile if i receive a vote myself at the previous exile.
spies8mary 2:53 pm
Ok.
Claude voted you at 1 and 3.
You were immune 2.
Not sure about 4.
spies8chance 2:54 pm
yes, he did, and yes, i was.
spies8mary 2:54 pm
If you are a Citizen, why have you had no suspects?
spies8chance 2:55 pm
i have had suspects. i stated my top five in the chat last night.
spies8mary 2:55 pm
I saw that.
spies8chance 2:55 pm
remember, i was tunneling on claude episodes 1 and 2 and was gone for 3 and sick for most of 4.
spies8mary 2:55 pm
That's by far the longest list I've ever seen you post.
You were busy making friends episode 1 and telling everyone you wouldn't vote for them.
Episode 2 you didn't seem to care at all.
spies8chance 2:56 pm
i posted my case on claude during episode 2.
spies8mary 2:56 pm
Episode 3 you bandwagoned on Magalie and gave me terrible suspicions of Rondak and Jenny.
spies8chance 2:56 pm
i also started suspecting jasmine during episode 2.
and i didn't tell 'everyone' i wouldn't vote for them in episode one.
my suspicion of jenny wasn't terrible, it was lack-of-information-worthy. that also exposed the spy messenger, as i recall.
spies8chance 2:57 pm
and i am still suspicious of rondak.
you seem to want to paint every single action i've taken in this game as either bad or scummy.
would you like to know who that reminds me of?
spies8mary 2:57 pm
No.
But you look like a Spy.
And I don't think I'm crazy.
At least, not lately.
spies8chance 2:58 pm
well, i'm not a spy. i've defended myself constantly to you. you either don't care, or care just enough to disregard everything i say because you think i'm a spy.
and cory told you about my role completely behind my back.
spies8mary 2:59 pm
Do you think Claude is a Spy?
spies8chance 3:00 pm
he is still on the spy side of the scale for me, yes. he's done too many scummy things in the past for the isaac exile to completely balance the scales. but there are several people i would rather see go before him.
why is claude in this chatroom?>
spies8mary 3:38 pm
To talk about suspects.
spies8chance 3:38 pm
we couldn't do that in the spies8 room?
spies8mary 3:38 pm
This was easy.
spies8chance 3:38 pm
just don't tell him about my role.
spies8mary 3:38 pm
I haven't.