episode iv conversations

[Chance]

with isaac -


spies8isaac is available 3:11 pm
Nom, Nom, Nom....yummmmm 120d and 17h ago Comment
spies8chance 3:11 pm
'sup zac.
spies8isaac 3:11 pm
Hey Chance, just going over aver the chat logs from the Dems side for yesterday. How's it going with you?
spies8chance 3:11 pm
going okay, reading some of the new burg posts.
spies8isaac 3:12 pm
Oh man, new ones already huh, it's gonna take awhile to catch up...lol
spies8chance 3:12 pm
yeah.
so who would you say your top suspect right now is?
spies8isaac 3:13 pm
Right now, it's still claude, Hands down, you?
spies8chance 3:13 pm
heh, yeah, it's claude.
i'm really tired of pushing him, though.
spies8isaac 3:14 pm
He posted deliberately in Owen's thread even though we all know he read the instructions for he answered everything. Then the whole asking how "his role" would be effective in group chat last night in front of everyone makes it look like hes trying too hard to prove something. And of course, the many reasons from before I left
spies8chance 3:15 pm
haha, i actually mentioned that in the group chat a bit ago.
spies8chance 3:15 pm
spies8chance 2:40 pm
eh. believe it or not, i'm getting as tired of pushing claude as you guys must be of hearing me push claude, but didn't owen specifically say /not/ to hijack his thread?
spies8isaac 3:15 pm
I understand that, it's hard several others are tired of hearing it and have just kind of accepted it's the norm
Ya, saw that. No one really rsponded I saw too
spies8chance 3:29 pm
something bothers me about jasmine. i'm going to ask her about it, but here's a peek -
question for jasmine - if you signed on 20-30 minutes before exile, as shown here -
[00:17] spies8jasmine: I didn't know, tbh. I signed on like 20-3 0 minutes before votes were due
why didn't you post your vote switch in the vote tally thread?
spies8isaac 3:30 pm
She changed her vote last minute over something lilith said. It's in a post somewhere if I can find it. Hold on
spies8isaac 3:34 pm
Hmmm, for some reason I can't pull up my chat logs. Basically because the votes were so close lilith IM'd Jasmine and persuaded her to change her mind. Since Jasmine didn't have strong feeling either way, she did
spies8chance 3:34 pm
yeah, i saw that.
and then brod started making a point against lilith that she pressed jas to change her vote.
but still. she got on about half an hour before exile and decided not to tell anyone she was changin her vote?
she being jasmine.
spies8isaac 3:35 pm
I know, saw that. But then again I already had sevral reasons to voye Jasmine only many others don't seem to notice or care. Even Broderick questioning it last night didn't get anyone else really involved in the discussion

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with cory -


spies8cory is available 3:11 pm
spies8chance 3:11 pm
'sup philosohottie.
spies8cory 3:11 pm
Yo
spies8chance 3:12 pm
what's shakin?
spies8cory 3:12 pm
Jenny's bootay, in my face
spies8chance 3:12 pm
haha, i'm telling her you said that. :-P
spies8chance 3:14 pm
so what do you think about the whole doctor save business?
spies8cory 3:14 pm
I think anyone intelligent enough to earn a medical degree would have deduced what Lilith is talking about. Lol.
O hay I just saved someone from imprisonment, better not talk inform them of this. They could be a spy!
spies8chance 3:16 pm
:-P
ah derp.
spies8chance 3:16 pm
there is a point that they could have been on opposite teams, so i kind of see what lil was getting at.
i actually meant to bring this up a while ago, and keep forgetting - just why was gabriel imprisoned, anyway?
spies8cory 3:17 pm
Not sure
He voted Alexei, right?
Might be that.
Then again, he also led the Savannah exile
spies8chance 3:18 pm
yeah, but he wasn't a major case pusher on alex, was he? i thought that was tina, and nita.
spies8cory 3:19 pm
Well, the first imprisonment was blocked.
It's possible the doc saved one of those two
And the Spies took Gabriel instead the following week
spies8chance 3:19 pm
i agree with that.
gabriel just didn't seem like a likely choice, i guess.
spies8cory 3:20 pm
After getting hit with a block they probably went for a less likely choice
That'd be my guess
Gabe didn't seem very exilable
spies8chance 3:21 pm
that's a good point too.
spies8chance 3:30 pm
i want to talk to dane and stephanie.
spies8cory 3:30 pm
As do I
I haven't talked to either, really
Just Dane early on
spies8chance 3:31 pm
yeah, dane was the first person i talked to.
spies8cory 3:31 pm
And he was a nutball. Lol.
spies8chance 3:31 pm
he didn't like you.
spies8cory 3:31 pm
I made fun of him.
spies8chance 3:31 pm
:-P
spies8cory 3:31 pm
Then he blocked me. Lol.
spies8chance 3:31 pm
hahaha.
also i got claude to call me a stud.

[Chance]

with stephanie -


spies8stephanie is available 5:33 pm
spies8stephanie 5:33 pm
hi chance
spies8chance 5:34 pm
'sup steph.
spies8stephanie 5:34 pm
i am glad it is a long weekend
spies8chance 5:34 pm
is it? it's not for me. :-P
spies8stephanie 5:35 pm
so what did you make of the exile last night?
spies8chance 5:36 pm
i was starting to suspect themba just a bit last night from my first read through of a couple threads in the republican section, but i would definitely rather magalie been exiled.
i've heard that you thought she was the doctor?
spies8stephanie 5:37 pm
amazing how info gets around in the burg
i only told 1 person that i had a guess
spies8chance 5:37 pm
hahaha.
spies8stephanie 5:37 pm
she was one of my early cit reads tho
spies8chance 5:38 pm
ah.
i had a couple of those.
spies8stephanie 5:38 pm
so i was sorry to lose her

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with jenny -


spies8jenny is available 2:31 pm
spies8jenny 2:31 pm
Hi Lucky!
spies8chance 2:32 pm
'sup jen. :-)
spies8jenny 2:32 pm
I'm doing alright, you? h
spies8chance 2:32 pm
just got back from work. loooong day.
spies8jenny 2:33 pm
Got off a little earlier myself because of the holiday weekend. That and it was slow today.
I'd suggest just reading the log.
spies8chance 2:40 pm
i probably will in a bit. i'm reading some of the burg threads right now.
spies8jenny 2:40 pm
Get a better picture that way, then trying to find out from one of the people arguing.
spies8chance 3:30 pm
blah. my head hurts.
spies8jenny 3:31 pm
Getting lost in the mess?
spies8chance 3:31 pm
no, actual headache. :-P
i found something that makes me a little more suspicious of jasmine.
spies8jenny 3:32 pm
Oh? What is it?
spies8chance 3:32 pm
question for jasmine - if you signed on 20-30 minutes before exile, as shown here -
[00:17] spies8jasmine: I didn't know, tbh. I signed on like 20-3 0 minutes before votes were due
why didn't you post your vote switch in the vote tally thread?
spies8chance 3:32 pm
i'm going to ask her that later.
what do you think?
spies8jenny 3:38 pm
Couldn't hurt to ask at least, but I'm not sure if that's really much there yet.
spies8chance 3:38 pm
just seems off to me. she had about half an hour and decided not to tell anyone she was changing her vote?
spies8jenny is away 4:57 pm
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with rondak -


spies8rondak is available 7:12 pm
spies8chance 7:12 pm
'sup rondak. where ya been, dude?
spies8rondak 7:12 pm
It concerns OOC stuff.
I work at a dangerous job and my best friend almost died.
spies8chance 7:13 pm
ouch, that's horrible. is he/she okay?
spies8rondak 7:13 pm
Yeah. He's fine now, he was fine right after it happened.
But I saw it and it was pretty frightening and fucking surreal.
spies8chance 7:13 pm
:-( i'm sorry..
spies8rondak 7:13 pm
So I got on the night that it happened, told Jenny, voted no exile, and took nyquil and passed out.
Did the same last night after work.
spies8chance 7:14 pm
understandable.
spies8rondak 7:14 pm
It is.
spies8chance 7:14 pm
however, i was thinking about voting you last episode, mostly because it didn't look like you were doing much, plus i hadn't talked to you. now that i know that you actually had a reason, let's remedy that, shall we? :-)
hi. i'm chance.
spies8rondak 7:14 pm
Sure. Although I'm not too talkative.
And understandable about the not doing much thing.
I fucking suck, admittedly, I'm a mess.
spies8chance 7:15 pm
well, maybe you could start by telling me about anyone you think could be a spy?
spies8rondak 7:15 pm
Hm.
Stephanie, I think.
spies8chance 7:16 pm
okay, and why's that? haven't really talked to her either, so it might be good to have at least some insight.
spies8rondak 7:16 pm
Jenny is also another one I think is somewhat suspicious.
spies8rondak 7:16 pm
From my time on the Republicans she was really sketchy with her suspicions.
She was suspicious of Hambone, Owen, and I, and gave really no reason behind them.
Sort of like the whole Gertrude accusing me of being a spy but subsequently defeating her own case in a chat a few days ago.
spies8chance 7:17 pm
haha.
spies8rondak 7:17 pm
Jenny -was- suspicious to me, still is, but appears to be a little more involved.
The thing that got me on her was that she claimed to be really experienced at Spies, gave me information on how to play mafia/Spies, but really did nothing at all to help capture them.
spies8chance 7:18 pm
that was a reason i was wary of her, to be honest. i noticed that she posted a lot of group chats and vote tallies and things, but i didn't see much content.
spies8rondak 7:18 pm
For example, her insistence to vote Zedekiah out on the Republicans for nearly two rounds, then switching Stephanie at the last minute even though she probably wasn't going to go.
And I haven't studied much about what happened at the last exile, but Magalie seemed to be a easy bandwagon vote, and I don't recall her participating that much in the discussion.
spies8chance 7:20 pm
that's why she was an easy bandwagon vote. i personally voted her for mainly the same reason i was going to vote you. but she did seem to be at least a little suspicious, as well. plus she never defended herself.
spies8rondak 7:20 pm
Right, yes.
spies8rondak 7:21 pm
I didn't know enough about her case to vote her and obviously wasn't in the conditon to learn much more about it.
spies8chance 7:27 pm
okay, but you'd still say she's on your suspicious list, right?
spies8rondak 7:28 pm
Definitely.
spies8chance 7:28 pm
i noticed you mentioned gertrude, too. what do you think of her?
spies8rondak 7:28 pm
I haven't talked to her much but I immaturely didn't like her being suspicious of me.
Then when she did that self-defeating logic I was kind of confused/suspicious.
spies8chance 7:29 pm
haha, i can understand the whole dislike factor. i've done it in this game myself, actually.
luckily i caught myself doing it.
spies8rondak 7:29 pm
Yeah, I've only played Survivor games before this and I usually take things really personal.
spies8rondak 7:29 pm
It's obviously not beneficial to do it in this game, and I'm slowly learning to not let it bother me.
spies8chance 7:31 pm
yeah, same here.
spies8chance 7:32 pm
well, since you're just getting back into the swing of things, i'll give you a day or so before i pester you again. :-) just be online more often, okay?
spies8rondak 7:32 pm
lol I'm going to try to be, really.
and I don't mind being pestered
honestly questions allow my mind to work better.
spies8chance 7:32 pm
hah, alright then.
who would you nominate if you had to vote right now?
i'm guessing jenny but i'd like to be sure.
spies8rondak 7:33 pm
probably jenny, yes
but i have not reviewed much material from th opposing side
and i need to go over last week again
spies8chance 7:34 pm
yeah, that'll take a bit.

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with hambone (ongoing) -


spies8hambone is available 7:47 pm
spies8hambone 7:47 pm
whats with these girls
kiara and jasmine
spies8chance 7:47 pm
well, hambone, if you don't like girls... ;-)
spies8hambone 7:47 pm
:-D
cant we talk for reals
spies8chance 7:47 pm
haha, yea
spies8hambone 7:47 pm
i saw some serious doubleteaming
spies8chance 7:47 pm
i just like hitting on you.
spies8hambone 7:47 pm
:-D
spies8chance 7:47 pm
i actually agree with you about jenny bringing this up.
spies8hambone 7:47 pm
its a doublesided road
spies8chance 7:47 pm
i have to wonder if she's not bringing it up so that people will think she's not a spy because nita was imprisoned.
spies8hambone 7:48 pm
if she didnt bring it up and SOMEONE ELSE KNEW and told us about it = JENNY SPY 4 SURE
if she didnt bring it up and no one else new = still prolly a Spy
her telling us..... makes her look more Cit
BUT
maybe once she saw the role reveal
she went UH OH
spies8chance 7:49 pm
eh, if jenny didn't bring it up we wouldn't ever know nita claimed to her unless nita told someone else.
spies8hambone 7:49 pm
exactly
spies8chance 7:49 pm
yeah, but if jenny /was/ a spy, would she have imprisoned nita? that's what i'm wondering.
spies8hambone 7:50 pm
i wonder if jenny knew nitas missions
maybe she didnt like the next one
spies8chance 7:51 pm
hmm.

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with jenny - i think this might be two, actually.

spies8jenny is available 2:31 pm
spies8jenny 2:31 pm
Hi Lucky!
spies8chance 2:32 pm
'sup jen. :-)
spies8jenny 2:32 pm
I'm doing alright, you? h
spies8chance 2:32 pm
just got back from work. loooong day.
spies8jenny 2:33 pm
Got off a little earlier myself because of the holiday weekend. That and it was slow today.
I'd suggest just reading the log.
spies8chance 2:40 pm
i probably will in a bit. i'm reading some of the burg threads right now.
spies8jenny 2:40 pm
Get a better picture that way, then trying to find out from one of the people arguing.
spies8chance 3:30 pm
blah. my head hurts.
spies8jenny 3:31 pm
Getting lost in the mess?
spies8chance 3:31 pm
no, actual headache. :-P
i found something that makes me a little more suspicious of jasmine.
spies8jenny 3:32 pm
Oh? What is it?
spies8chance 3:32 pm
question for jasmine - if you signed on 20-30 minutes before exile, as shown here -
[00:17] spies8jasmine: I didn't know, tbh. I signed on like 20-3 0 minutes before votes were due
why didn't you post your vote switch in the vote tally thread?
spies8chance 3:32 pm
i'm going to ask her that later.
what do you think?
spies8jenny 3:38 pm
Couldn't hurt to ask at least, but I'm not sure if that's really much there yet.
spies8chance 3:38 pm
just seems off to me. she had about half an hour and decided not to tell anyone she was changing her vote?
spies8jenny is available 6:08 pm
spies8chance 6:08 pm
so jenny.
i'm looking at that 'past spies players' puzzle from the challenge.
spies8jenny 6:09 pm
Hi there!
spies8chance 6:09 pm
how is the answer 'cy'?
spies8jenny 6:09 pm
Oh, the trick was the number of letters in the names.
The final number was 2.
spies8chance 6:09 pm
ohhh.
spies8jenny 6:09 pm
And is a fairly well known past character, for an epically bad spy blunder.
spies8chance 6:09 pm
oh really? do tell?
spies8jenny 6:10 pm
IM'ing a cit instead of a spy.
3 times in a row.
spies8chance 6:10 pm
ouch, fail.
spies8jenny 6:10 pm
There's a picture that sums it up, let me see if I can find it.
spies8jenny 6:10 pm
img259.imageshack.us/img259/7181/85816596bx9.png
there it is
spies8chance 6:11 pm
hahaha, what the crap?
spies8jenny 6:11 pm
Exactly.
Like I said, that's something you remember.
spies8chance 6:11 pm
that's just.... hahahahaha.
wow.
epic, epic failure. i'm seriously laughing.
i can just imagine what jiselle must have been thinking.
spies8jenny 6:12 pm
So yeah, when it came up that 2 was the answer and it was obvious they were looking for a name, Cy was fairly easy to think of.
h
spies8chance 6:12 pm
are there any other spies characters with a name with two letters?
i don't think there are...
spies8jenny 6:13 pm
Apparently not
If he was able to use him specifically as an answer.
spies8chance 6:13 pm
yeah, that was my thinking.
well, cy must be the shortest name in spies history.
i wonder what the longest is?
hmm.
for spies 8, it's a tie between stephanie and broderick.
spies8jenny 6:14 pm
But yeah, like I said. After something like that, you don't really forget it.
spies8chance 6:14 pm
mhm.
spies8jenny 6:14 pm
And never doubt me if I ever say I've seen a more idiotic blunder then whatever may happen in game.
Because sometimes things are that dumb.
spies8chance 6:14 pm
jenny, out of the blue question.
spies8chance 6:15 pm
completely random, just popped into my head - do you have a role that requires you to be successfully accused to function? :-P
spies8jenny 6:15 pm
Nope, standard cit. Why?
spies8chance 6:15 pm
eh, mostly just seemed like you were playing pretty heavily on the fact that you were there for that blunder personally and wanted me to know it.
just an interpretation, i guess.
spies8jenny 6:16 pm
Oh no, I wasn't in that game.
spies8chance 6:16 pm
i wonder if there was a longer name than 9 letters in spies7.
nope. adrasteia ties it, but that's all.
spies8jenny 6:17 pm
The worst I've seen a mafian do?

Cit: Hi what's your role!
Mafian: I'm mafia, don't tell anyone else please?
Cit: ....

Mafian lynched.
spies8chance 6:17 pm
.... that's really stupid.
spies8jenny 6:18 pm
Oh you have no idea. h
It was quite funny though! h
spies8chance 6:18 pm
:-P
spies8chance 6:19 pm
spies3anneliese and spies3jennipher both tie at 9.
spies8jenny 6:20 pm
What made you curious about the challenge by the way? Just didn't see how the answer worked in?
spies8chance 6:20 pm
yeah, i was clicking down the forum getting rid of the 'new' tags and got to the post where sam invites people to do the challenge by themselves.
oooh, now that i've looked, i have a spies trivia question for you! :-D
spies8jenny 6:21 pm
Sure!
spies8chance 6:21 pm
what is (to my knowledge) the only name used in two spies seasons?
spies8jenny 6:22 pm
I didn't realize there was a repeat actually.
spies8chance 6:22 pm
there was. :-D
spies8jenny 6:23 pm
I dunno then.
Oh here we go
spies8chance 6:24 pm
spies1 and spies4.
spies8jenny 6:24 pm
Katie I think
spies8chance 6:24 pm
kaatie?
not the one i saw.
spies8jenny 6:24 pm
Never mind, misread one.
spies8chance 6:24 pm
it's emma. :-D
spies8jenny 6:25 pm
Oh I see it now. Never really gone into the first game that much.
spies8chance 6:25 pm
i only went because i was counting letters.
nine letters has been the maximum, looks like.
spies8stephanie, spies8broderick, spies7adrasteia, spies3anneliese, spies3jennipher.
spies8jenny 6:27 pm
I did notice another 2 letter name though. Maybe Sammy forgot about it.
DJ
Or maybe either would have worked.
spies8chance 6:28 pm
ooh, i didn't notice that.
i would have to say cy's probably more thought of.
spies8jenny 6:28 pm
And more recent.
spies8jenny 6:30 pm
Coming back to the current game though, what do you think so far?
Managed to read what I missed last night after I had to sleep.
Crazy stuff last night.
spies8chance 6:31 pm
yeah, i read the most recent chat. also got a pm from broderick calling me a 'liar'. i loled.
spies8jenny 6:31 pm
About what?
spies8chance 6:32 pm
apparently i'm 'back to misrepresenting people' by saying this -
[16:13] spies8chance: brod pulled out the 'childish' schtick on me before.
[16:13] spies8chance: i think he pulls it out on anyone who dares to point out that he might be flawed.
i then calmly replied to him, saying that yes, he has, in fact, called me childish. then i told him that him calling me a liar makes him a liar. :-P
spies8jenny 6:32 pm
h
spies8chance 6:33 pm
i think he's a little high-strung.
spies8jenny 6:33 pm
I dunno, I think that fits Claude better.
spies8chance 6:33 pm
but as to what i think of the game currently... i think there are far too many people i know nothing about.
claude's a spy. spies with attention on them tend to be jumpy. :-P brod's just twitchy.
spies8chance 6:37 pm
let me see what i wrote down on my list.
there are five people i have down as 'neutral because of a lack of information'.
that's five too many, really.
but they're all republicans save one.
spies8jenny 6:38 pm
So that makes sense at least.
spies8chance 6:39 pm
yeah. it's dane, lawrence, stephanie, zedekiah, and lilith. lilith is now a replacement - i talked a bit to lilith #1.
spies8chance 6:44 pm
what are you thinking?
i don't think i know who you really suspect.
spies8jenny 6:45 pm
That's probably because I usually work backwards, and try to narrow it down by working out who isn't a spy and see who I have left. Just looking at the chart I've made for now though, Maggie, Claude, Stephi, and Zeddy are bigger ones for me to look at.
spies8chance 6:46 pm
yeah, i remember hearing someone say that. i think it was claude and i think it's a big reason he suspects you.
spies8chance 6:46 pm
which is kind of a stupid reason, i think, suspecting someone based on how they spyhunt.
spies8jenny 6:47 pm
It's worked for me before, so might as well use what works.
spies8chance 6:47 pm
don't fix what ain't broke. :-P
spies8jenny 6:47 pm
Something like that.
spies8jenny is available 7:06 pm
spies8chance 7:08 pm
jenny. save me from this idiot. please.
spies8jenny 7:16 pm
Could you come back in please? h

If nothing else, Maggie is in the room, and they're clearing up some stuff about Ni-Ni.
spies8chance 7:16 pm
yeah, i guess. i didn't leave for any real reason, was just concentrating on some private chats.
mostly with rondak, who i haven't talked to yet.
can i get an invite?
it mostly looks like a brod-bash right now.
not that i mind, but was something being cleared up about nita?
spies8jenny 7:33 pm
Sammy was talking about Ni-Ni a bit to clear up any concerns. while you were out.
spies8chance 7:33 pm
ah, can i see what he said?
spies8jenny 7:34 pm
I'll get things posted in a bit.
spies8chance 7:35 pm
okay.

[Chance]

with gertie -

spies8gertrude is available 5:36 pm
spies8chance 5:36 pm
i just put a new topic in our forum for you. :-P
spies8gertrude 5:37 pm
Ha, fuck you.
spies8chance 5:37 pm
what? :-( you promised me a banner woman!
also, i had a thought.
spies8gertrude 5:37 pm
Yes, I know.
spies8chance 5:37 pm
i really want to use my exile immunity on you, but what do you think of me using it on allan?
spies8gertrude 5:37 pm
But I don't have a bigger picture of you.
I personally don't like Allan.
spies8chance 5:38 pm
i agree. i'm talking about because of his role.
spies8gertrude 5:38 pm
And Owen wanted Claude to pick him to be one of the people.
So..
spies8chance 5:38 pm
claude thinks allan is a citizen.
firstly.
secondly owen wanted claude to use his role on allan to confirm allan's role. at least, that's what i saw in the public chat.
spies8gertrude 5:39 pm
Right.
So, what's the incentive for you to use it on Allan?
spies8chance 5:39 pm
oh, i thought you were saying owen wanted a chance to exile allan. my bad.
well, if i have to claim later, it would make me look more town, wouldn't it?
spies8gertrude 5:40 pm
Not really, if Allan turns out to be scum.
spies8gertrude 5:42 pm
It would make you look more town if you were to keep your partner safe if you were to claim mason.
spies8chance 5:42 pm
well, it would be more town to owen, apparently.
spies8gertrude 5:42 pm
But that may be me being selfish.
spies8chance 5:42 pm
no, that's actually a good point.
so what are your thoughts on an eventual reveal?
spies8gertrude 5:42 pm
I think it's inevitable.
At least the masons.
spies8chance 5:42 pm
should we reveal that we're masons, first?
spies8gertrude 5:42 pm
Mayybe your role.
I don't think my role is necessary to claim.
spies8chance 5:43 pm
also, claude is apparently suspicious of you and might switch you for jenny in his list of three. that's another reason to keep you immune.
that's true.
spies8gertrude 5:43 pm
At least, any time soon.
spies8chance 5:43 pm
it's definitely more likely that i'll have to claim before you will.
so i was thinking i'd say something like 'i'm masons with another citizen. that citizen can confirm that i am a citizen and vice versa.'
and see if that's enough.
spies8gertrude 5:44 pm
Because Cits can see the results of your role, but not mine.
spies8gertrude 5:44 pm
Ok.
In your PM to Owen?
spies8chance 5:44 pm
no, i won't claim until i have to.
well, hm.
spies8gertrude 5:44 pm
Eh..
spies8chance 5:44 pm
i'm wondering how long owen will have to vote after nominations are chosen.
because while i wouldn't mind claiming in the chatroom, i'd prefer to claim privately.
and i know nothing about owen as to whether i should trust him or not.
spies8gertrude 5:45 pm
Well, at this point, there's almost no choice.
He has the *ultimate power*
spies8chance 5:46 pm
yeah, but he can only vote people who are nominated.
spies8gertrude 5:46 pm
Let's just see who Claude chooses
spies8chance 5:46 pm
are we sure i'm going to be nominated? it's likely but not set in stone, i think.
plus, didn't you say owen's top suspect was jenny?
spies8gertrude 5:46 pm
Yes.
spies8chance 5:46 pm
and after that isaac? not me, surprisingly?
spies8gertrude 5:46 pm
Right.
spies8chance 5:47 pm
so i may get by without being exiled again, right?
spies8gertrude 5:47 pm
Right.
spies8chance 5:47 pm
so why claim/
?
especially since others will eventually be able to vote out players along with owen.
also am i immune from this imprisonment, or the next one?
spies8gertrude 5:47 pm
This one.
spies8chance 5:47 pm
yay. <3
spies8gertrude 5:48 pm
Mhm.
spies8chance 5:48 pm
you better not get imprisoned.
spies8chance 5:48 pm
if you do i'm coming up there and dragging you out of heaven.
:-P
spies8gertrude 5:48 pm
Haha.
spies8chance 6:05 pm
sam has pictures up!
well, it's just that really big picture of the same one.
broderick is an idiot please save me.
spies8gertrude 7:33 pm
I know.
I can't.
spies8chance 7:35 pm
you're welcome. :-D
spies8gertrude 7:36 pm
I love you.
spies8chance 7:36 pm
<3
also it looks like owen will have a day to decide.
spies8chance 7:37 pm
if i'm nominated, we can decide if i'm claiming then.
spies8gertrude 7:37 pm
Ok.
Sounds fair.
spies8chance 7:37 pm
i talked to rondak.
i can totally understand why he wasn't here now.
spies8gertrude 7:40 pm
Why wasn't he here?
spies8chance 7:41 pm
apparently his best friend almost died.
spies8gertrude 7:41 pm
Oh, wow.
I love that no one is mentioning that I'm immune.
spies8chance 7:45 pm
heh, yeah.
aaaand magalie with an astonishingly good point!
spies8gertrude 7:51 pm
I thought of that.
But I think she wanted to get lynching a Spy out of the way first so she wouldn't offend the Spies later.
See?
spies8chance 7:52 pm
that's exactly what i thought!
:-D
spies8gertrude 7:53 pm
We are appearing very teamlike right now.
spies8chance 7:53 pm
that's true. we can point to it later though.
spies8gertrude 7:54 pm
Ooh, good call.
As a masonslip.
spies8chance 7:55 pm
yeah.
so claude's rolename is the majority whip.
that's really different from ours.
spies8gertrude 8:05 pm
Well.
It's a political term
spies8gertrude 8:05 pm
And this is all politics.
spies8chance 8:05 pm
i'm the devil. you're the angel. not political.
spies8gertrude 8:05 pm
I know, ha.
I'm just sayin
sayingU
***
It fits the theme.
spies8chance 8:06 pm
yeah, but we don't.
and we're confirmed.
the destiny deflector from spies 7 comes to mind.
spies8gertrude 8:07 pm
Who was that..?
spies8chance 8:07 pm
er. spies 6.
my bad.
it was jason.
spies8gertrude 8:07 pm
Ah.
spies8chance 9:09 pm
gertie.
i have a thought process.
i'm going to post it in our forum.
spies8chance 9:14 pm
posted.
spies8gertrude 9:15 pm
I just got back.
I'll read
I think it's definitely a solid case.
spies8chance 9:16 pm
i almost hope i'm not right, because if i am it means the doctor's dead.
i posted them.
spies8chance 9:21 pm
they do sound like nita.
however, jenny only quoted herself twice, and both quotes seem like they could have been interjected into something nita actually did say.
which would make the quotes easier to fake.
i'd like to talk to rondak some more, see if he talked to nita at all when they were republicans together.
spies8gertrude 9:25 pm
Mmk.
spies8chance 9:25 pm
do you think the chats were faked?
spies8gertrude 9:28 pm
Nah.
I do think you're on the right track, though.
spies8chance 9:29 pm
hm.
spies8gertrude 9:32 pm
Let me know when.
spies8chance 9:32 pm
now would be good.
:-)
nail him nail him nail him! grawr. i'd love to gnaw his face off.
spies8gertrude 9:35 pm
rofl.
The sad thing is, I'm not even trying to, but he's being difficult.
spies8chance 9:35 pm
i don't even think i suspect him, he's just... ugggggh.
oh, i also want to run my case on jenny by claude to see if he defends her or not.
also sam posted a link to the bigger picture of me.
spies8gertrude 9:36 pm
Yes, yes.
spies8chance 9:36 pm
:-D
as if i'm a balance to claude's role.
spies8gertrude 9:45 pm
Ha.
spies8gertrude is offline

[Chance]

with tina -


spies8tina is available 1:44 pm
spies8chance 1:44 pm
hey tina. can i run a theory by you?
spies8tina 1:44 pm
Go for it.
spies8chance 1:44 pm
it involves what allan said a minute ago, so we don't have to discuss it if you don't want to.
i actually thought of it last night in the shower, because the gabriel imprisonment never sat right with me. i couldn't for the life of me figure out why the spies went for him.
but if gabriel actually was the doctor, things make a lot more sense.
for starters, i always thought nita was probably the imprisonment 2 save. gabriel and nita being both republicans at the time meant that gabriel could contact nita.
spies8chance 1:47 pm
now, according to jenny, nita had already claimed to her by this time.
if jenny's a spy, nita as a third party would have had no qualms in letting jenny know that gabriel was the doctor. this explains the gabriel imprisonment easily.
those two chats that jenny posted of her and nita are mostly nita talking. it would have been easy for jenny to interject something in at the beginning or end of each segment (one of each, i believe) that made her look citizen.
spies8tina 1:49 pm
I could see it since while not being impossible, Gabe was a surprise.
Being on the reps, he was thought cit by just about everyone.
His imprisonment over Owen and myself surprised me though.
All three of us were similar over there.
spies8chance 1:50 pm
i remember thinking you were a pretty good shot for being imprisoned.
spies8tina 1:50 pm
I could see that being the case here.
The only bigger question is why did Nita go this time?
spies8chance 1:50 pm
because having gotten rid of gabriel, it was possible? the spies may not have trusted nita, and it didn't really cost them anything to get rid of her if she had to work against the spies as well as for them.
and she'd already gotten rid of alexei.
spies8tina 1:51 pm
I guess so.
That is the only thing hanging me up at all on all of this.
spies8chance 1:51 pm
i wrote this theory last night, like i said, on the assumption that gabe was the doctor and contacted nita. having allan say all that makes it much more likely, in my opinion.
because it confirms three of the assumptions that my case was based on.
one - gabriel was the doctor.
two - nita was the save.
three - gabriel contacted nita.
spies8tina 1:52 pm
Nita apparently was going to be gone almost this whole episode, although I don't think she told anyone but myself and Owen early on.
Hmmm.
It makes a whole lot of sense really.
Especially if something like outliving the doctor was a mission.
spies8chance 1:53 pm
or something like 'helping to imprison someone with a role'.
spies8tina 1:53 pm
That is some heavy speculation though.
spies8chance 1:54 pm
well, it's based on two assumptions now, really, instead of four.
1 - allan is not lying.
2 - jenny is a spy.
spies8tina 1:54 pm
I need to go and relook at Jenny stuff and compare it to Isaac.
spies8chance 1:54 pm
what i'm confused on is how allan found out 'last night'.
considering that nita was gone by then
so you're convinced isaac is a spy?
spies8tina 1:56 pm
I think odds there are pretty good.
spies8chance 1:56 pm
part of it is the way he flipflopped on themba, am i correct?
that's what i read last night, i think.
that might have been broderick's point though.
spies8tina 1:56 pm
That is one. The way he went about the Jasmine thing too.
Apparently that big thing he posted on her was just to "keep an eye on her".
spies8chance 1:57 pm
okay, but i think i'm more concerned with jenny at this point.
i hate it when spies are likeable. :-(
hmm, i wonder what i'd find if i looked at jenny and claude's relations....?
spies8tina 1:59 pm
From what I saw she was just interested in Magalie exile.
spies8chance 2:00 pm
which fits, i think, considering mags turned out to be pretty easy to nominate.
spies8tina 2:01 pm
Could be interesting to put Jenny up as a nomination.
spies8chance 2:01 pm
i almost want to post my case on jenny to the burg. what i'm wary of is that everyone jumped on allan for even mentioning the doctor and i'm not sure it would be a good idea.
spies8tina 2:01 pm
I think Owen half-wants her up there.
Well, is there anything apart from this?
spies8chance 2:02 pm
some, i think, but nothing as solid.
spies8tina 2:03 pm
We do have to remember that Allan apparently said Gabe slipped his role.
That can also factor into it.
spies8chance 2:03 pm
where did he say that? i must have missed it.
spies8chance 2:04 pm
i just scrolled back up and still didn't see it.
spies8tina 2:05 pm
Ah, he told it to me in private when I started yelling at him.
spies8allan 11:40 am
the spies knew gabe was a doctor
which is why they killed him
he slipped about his role
spies8chance 2:07 pm
well, like i said, the only reason i haven't posted my theory is everyone got mad when al even mentioned the doctor.
what do you think?
spies8tina 2:07 pm
I need to think about it really.
I think there will be backlash.
But at this point everyone knows apparently.
There also is the slight chance that Allan is being unusually smart and lying about all of this.
spies8chance 2:08 pm
i think i'm going to run my theory by hal and see what he thinks.
spies8tina 2:08 pm
Well, I can show/add the few things Jenny did on Reps regarding Alexei.
spies8chance 2:09 pm
that would be good.
spies8tina 2:11 pm
Well Jenny just said that she apparently is not posting the chat where doctor stuff occured.
Just incase.
spies8chance 2:11 pm
yeah, i see that.
spies8chance 2:11 pm
and i can see jenny as a spy not wanting that information public either.
spies8tina 2:11 pm
Right, maybe it is best to start a case on Jenny without the added thing?
See how it is received, maybe add on other part later?
spies8chance 2:12 pm
i'm really not certain what's so bad about discussing the possibility that gabriel was the doctor, to be honest.
if he was, then we don't rely on the doctor anymore (and if he was then the spies obviously already know he's dead).
spies8tina 2:12 pm
Probably know.
I would see him on a shortlist of who to imprison.
spies8chance 2:13 pm
you just said earlier that it came as a surprise to you.
spies8tina 2:13 pm
Over others yes.
spies8tina 2:13 pm
He was #3 cit read to me though.
spies8chance 2:13 pm
okay, and if gabriel wasn't the doctor, so what?
the doctor's still out there. the spies are no closer to figuring out who it is, which is also a good thing.
spies8tina 2:14 pm
Yeah I guess, it just is one of those things that has been drilled into my mind as a bad thing to talk about.
spies8chance 2:14 pm
i think people are just ingrained not to talk about power roles.
yeah, that.
only i think it would be helpful.

[Chance]

with awohali -


Spies8Awohali is available 2:08 pm
spies8chance 2:08 pm
hal, i have a theory.
Spies8Awohali 2:08 pm
I am all ears for theories
spies8chance 2:08 pm
okay.
i already ran it by tina as well, so i'm just going to copy and paste. it's just me, so that should be legal, right?
Spies8Awohali 2:08 pm
Yes indeed, it should be.
spies8chance 2:09 pm
spies8chance 1:44 pm
it involves what allan said a minute ago, so we don't have to discuss it if you don't want to.
i actually thought of it last night in the shower, because the gabriel imprisonment never sat right with me. i couldn't for the life of me figure out why the spies went for him.
but if gabriel actually was the doctor, things make a lot more sense.
for starters, i always thought nita was probably the imprisonment 2 save. gabriel and nita being both republicans at the time meant that gabriel could contact nita.
spies8chance 1:47 pm
now, according to jenny, nita had already claimed to her by this time.
if jenny's a spy, nita as a third party would have had no qualms in letting jenny know that gabriel was the doctor. this explains the gabriel imprisonment easily.
those two chats that jenny posted of her and nita are mostly nita talking. it would have been easy for jenny to interject something in at the beginning or end of each segment (one of each, i believe) that made her look citizen
spies8chance 2:14 pm
well? what do you think?
Spies8Awohali 2:15 pm
I apologize; I meant to respond and got sidetracked. I think it is very possible. I have been theorizing about teh stiaution as well. That is a very viable possibility.
And obviously Jenny as a Spy would have omitted that.
spies8chance 2:16 pm
yes.
i'm thinking of posting it to the burg. what's stopping me right now is the way people jumped on allan for even mentioning the doctor.
tina thinks i should wait and start a case on jenny that doesn't involve this point.
Spies8Awohali 2:17 pm
I believe there is already quite a case against Jenny even without it.
spies8chance 2:21 pm
still.
what do you think?
Spies8Awohali 2:21 pm
It is a very real possibility. One that unfortunate can not be proved for certain, but I can completely see it happening.
It would explain much.
spies8chance 2:22 pm
well, based on what allan said in the chat, i'd say it's fairly likely.
do you think i should post it, or no?
Spies8Awohali 2:23 pm
I... Think you should hold off at the moment. I am struggling internally, because I think it is almost certain that a Spy was inthe chat room when Allan said what he said,
But in the very small chance that there was not, I would hate for it to be revealed publicly.
spies8chance 2:23 pm
if gabriel was the doctor then it doesn't really matter, to be honest.
the gabriel imprisonment surprised me immensely - i think it's a good bet now that he was imprisoned because he was, in fact, the doctor and the spies knew it.
tina could never give me a straight answer as to why she didn't want to talk about it either, just that it seemed to be ingrained not to.
i don't really think there's any reason to not talk about it. can you give me one?
Spies8Awohali 2:25 pm
Well, the only reason it matters, is that if the Spies think the Doctor is alive, they have to think twice about their Imprisonments. They mighty Imprison someone elss dangerous to them just because they're afraid that person might get saved and ruin their Imprisonment for that episode
spies8chance 2:26 pm
this is true. but if gabriel was the doctor (he was, if allan can be trusted - do you believe allan?) then nita knew it. and nita was a third party.
Spies8Awohali 2:26 pm
And Nita could have told anyone. I am aware of this, yes, that is why it is a difficult decision to make. I do think that Allan is likely telling the truth, although I do not trust him.
spies8chance 2:27 pm
and given how quickly he was imprisoned after claiming to nita, it's almost a sure thing (in my opinion) that nita told a spy, or a spy otherwise figured it out. i don't see gabriel being imprisoned for any other reason, really.
spies8chance 2:28 pm
and look - nita is saved night 1, gabriel (the doctor) imprisoned night 2, and nita is imprisoned again night 3?
how else would the spies have known it was safe to try for her again?
Spies8Awohali 2:28 pm
They could have assumed the Doctor would not protect Nita after she adovcated the ridiculous No Exile vote.
I certainly would not have, if I was the Doctor.
spies8chance 2:29 pm
i would have. given the first save, were i the doctor, she'd be a clear citizen to me and the spies would know that.
she'd be a priority.
Spies8Awohali 2:31 pm
I would be hoping to save more people to build a base of trusted citizens, personally, in cases where the already confirmed did not look to be in danger, but I understand your stance as well.
spies8chance 2:32 pm
hard to build a base of trusted citizens when the person you saved last night gets imprisoned the night after if you don't save them again. at least, to me.
Spies8Awohali 2:34 pm
I agree, though it is equally hard to build a base of trusted citizens saving the same citizen every episode.
I would not have guessed that Nita would be in any danger of Imprisonment after her No Exile stunt, which supports your theory
spies8chance 2:45 pm
tina doesn't think i should post it, apparently.
i really don't see the problem, to be honest. plus it's the most solid thing i have on jenny at this time.
Spies8Awohali 2:46 pm
The only concern I have is the Spies gaining the knowledge that the Doctor is dead will let them know that they have nothing to fear at Imprisonment time
spies8chance 2:46 pm
i don't think that's a concern. if gabriel was the doctor, i think the spies already know that.
spies8chance 2:47 pm
and besides, i state quite clearly in the theory that the theory relies on the assumption that gabriel was the doctor.
Spies8Awohali 2:47 pm
Most likely, yes, but it may be prudent to try to find out more about that first.
spies8chance 2:47 pm
well, it really comes down to whether or not you think allan was lying.
if allan was telling the truth, then nita did, in fact, know that gabriel was the doctor.
and by jenny's own admission, she is the only person nita contacted.
Spies8Awohali 2:48 pm
That does not necessarily mean that she told Jenny, though, even though it is likely that she did.
spies8chance 2:48 pm
granted, nita could have contacted someone else and not told jenny. but i don't think that's likely.
well, nita had to help the spies at some point.
i don't think nita contacting jenny and then gabriel being immediately imprisoned are disconnected.
Spies8Awohali 2:49 pm
I do not believe they are, either. But... There is always that slight chance. I think that we will know more, soon. If Jenny is not getting enough votes to be nominated, then I think you should come forward with it at that point
spies8chance 2:57 pm
but not now?
Spies8Awohali 2:58 pm
I am torn, but I still think not now... In the very very slim chance that the Spies do not know
I must depart for now... For 4th of July activities. I will be on tonight if we can discuss this more then.
spies8chance 2:59 pm
i can't promise that i won't be posting it, but i will take your opinion when i make my decision. goodbye.
Spies8Awohali 2:59 pm
That is perfectly fine; I will not hold it against you if you psot it, for it is a very good point. Farewell, Chance.