Episode #8 Conversations

[Lawrence]

spies8claude (3:44:28 PM): Hey Gert.
spies8lawrence (3:44:46 PM): She's not here
spies8claude (3:45:20 PM): I see that now.
spies8lawrence (9:56:35 PM): Good evening everyone
spies8chance (9:56:36 PM): you'd have to ask sam that one. that's the main reason i was so skeptical of claude's rolename early on.
spies8jenny (9:56:38 PM): Hi Lawry!
spies8hambone (9:56:47 PM): yes!
spies8broderick (9:56:52 PM): well so far the names have been pretty descriptive of what they could do
spies8broderick (9:56:59 PM): so devil kinda implies not good
spies8hambone (9:57:01 PM): sup steph?
spies8lawrence (9:57:15 PM): Gertrude got Imprisoned
spies8chance (9:57:22 PM): it goes along with that i have to be voted for for my power to work, broderick.
spies8lawrence (9:57:23 PM): This grieves my old tiring heart
spies8broderick (9:57:41 PM): How so?
spies8broderick (9:57:49 PM): er nvm
spies8lawrence (9:57:51 PM): She was quite friendly
spies8chance (9:57:51 PM): my role mentions my 'devilish' nature.
spies8chance (9:57:52 PM):
spies8lawrence (9:58:01 PM): Wait, what?
spies8lawrence (9:58:05 PM): Chance has a role?
spies8jenny (9:58:11 PM): And Gerty apparently.
spies8chance (9:58:13 PM): someone hasn't caught up on the group chat in the burg, i see.
spies8chance (9:58:16 PM): hi lawrence.
spies8lawrence (9:58:26 PM): Anyone care to summarize?
spies8chance (9:58:29 PM): oh, yeah, i went ballistic right after gertie was imprisoned.
spies8chance (9:58:30 PM):
spies8chance (9:58:38 PM): gertie and i were masons, she protected from imprisonments, i protect from exiles.
spies8broderick (9:58:51 PM): immune and protect arent same
spies8lawrence (9:59:06 PM): That's . . . quite the powerful role/roles
spies8chance (9:59:18 PM): protect is easier to type than 'make immune'. he wanted a quick summary.
spies8broderick (9:59:38 PM): immunize
spies8broderick (9:59:59 PM): Immunize from STD
spies8chance (9:59:59 PM): do you have to be so nitpicky?
spies8chance (10:00:01 PM): sigh.
spies8broderick (10:00:08 PM): Spy Transmitted Disease
spies8broderick (10:00:11 PM): not being nitpicky
spies8broderick (10:00:12 PM): rofl
spies8broderick (10:00:17 PM): stating difference
spies8lawrence (10:00:30 PM): So Jenny told me Kiara investigated Awohali for a role and got a negative result
spies8lawrence (10:00:32 PM): Is this true?
spies8chance (10:00:40 PM): apparently.
spies8stephanie (10:00:47 PM): that's what kiara said
spies8chance (10:00:48 PM): i'm going away again.
spies8lawrence (10:00:49 PM): Eventful night
spies8chance (10:00:51 PM): back later.
spies8chance (10:00:56 PM): someone else can fill larry in.
spies8broderick (10:00:59 PM): Why telling him privately Jenny?
spies8lawrence (10:01:14 PM): We had a discussion earlier about it
spies8lawrence (10:01:19 PM): Earlier today
spies8broderick (10:01:22 PM): every one else, you were telling publicly, yes?
spies8stephanie (10:01:27 PM): so she can spin it?
spies8jenny (10:01:41 PM): I talked with several people in private about it.
spies8stephanie (10:01:48 PM): she tells that, but not about gert and chance?
spies8broderick (10:01:52 PM): probably steph is right
spies8broderick (10:01:58 PM): quick to say it happened. then
spies8broderick (10:02:05 PM): correcnt with 'according to kiara'
spies8jenny (10:02:23 PM): I honestly don't know what you're trying to say there.
spies8jenny (10:02:27 PM): Could you restate that?
spies8lawrence (10:02:29 PM): Unfortunately, this doesn't clear Jenny . . . it just makes Awohali an idiot
spies8kiara (10:02:40 PM): lol agreed
spies8broderick (10:02:43 PM): lol. I don't think he was
spies8stephanie (10:02:46 PM): or kiara a liar
spies8broderick (10:02:50 PM): Have to assume Kiara is citizen
spies8lawrence (10:03:01 PM): I mean, if Jenny is in fact a criminal, then it's brilliant, to be honest
spies8lawrence (10:03:05 PM): But taking a risk like that?
spies8broderick (10:03:14 PM): *you have to assume kiara is a citizen
spies8broderick (10:03:17 PM): You think she is, Lawrence?
spies8lawrence (10:03:31 PM): I think she could be
spies8kiara (10:03:34 PM): i think she is
spies8stephanie (10:03:35 PM): why, brod, do you have to assume kiara is a cit?
spies8lawrence (10:03:36 PM): But I am not totally sold on the case
spies8lawrence (10:03:58 PM): (I haven't seen it presented unless I"ve missed it, and I have other suspects to investigate)
spies8broderick (10:04:17 PM): To assume she is telling the truth, you have to assume she is a citizen
spies8hambone (10:04:32 PM): i will be back soon-ish
spies8hambone (10:04:41 PM): im really not good right now
spies8hambone (10:04:44 PM): my head hurts
spies8broderick (10:04:54 PM): Feel better Hambone-r
spies8jenny (10:04:55 PM): Hope you feel better soon Hammy.
spies8hambone (10:04:57 PM): today is day#1 of no caffeine, mainly soda
spies8hambone (10:05:08 PM): and ive been having heat flashes and migranes
spies8hambone (10:05:09 PM): all day
spies8stephanie (10:05:09 PM): oh no wonder your head hurts
spies8lawrence (10:05:10 PM): The only reason for Kiara to lie is that Jenny and Kiara are Spies together
spies8hambone (10:05:16 PM): im addicted to the stuff
spies8cinnamyn (10:05:17 PM): hambone iz in menopause
spies8hambone (10:05:19 PM): lol
spies8hambone (10:05:20 PM): fu
spies8hambone (10:05:23 PM): ill be back soon
spies8hambone (10:05:26 PM): bye
spies8broderick (10:05:34 PM): before you say that is dumb
spies8lawrence (10:05:36 PM): Which I doubt, because Kiara thinks Jenny is a criminal, yet doesn't say Awohali has a role
spies8broderick (10:05:36 PM): iris/amelia
spies8lawrence (10:05:55 PM): I am not saying it is dumb
spies8lawrence (10:06:06 PM): I remember Vladimir and Kathie pulled a similar stunt in Spies 7
spies8stephanie (10:06:25 PM): kiara i think first tried to clear jenny
spies8lawrence (10:06:27 PM): And got away with it (though the situations are different)
spies8lawrence (10:06:30 PM): Or, at least they tried to
spies8lawrence (10:06:35 PM): I didn't follow that game very closel
spies8stephanie (10:06:36 PM): when that didn't seem to work
spies8lawrence (10:06:39 PM): *closely
spies8broderick (10:06:56 PM): ?
spies8stephanie (10:06:57 PM): she starts bussing jenny
spies8lawrence (10:07:09 PM): Stephanie, what are you talking about?
spies8broderick (10:07:17 PM): one at at ime lol
spies8broderick (10:07:20 PM): *a time
spies8kiara (10:07:20 PM): wait
spies8kiara (10:07:41 PM): when the heck did i try to clear jenny? i said the result of my role, i never drew a single conclusion
spies8broderick (10:07:58 PM): why not?
spies8kiara (10:08:06 PM): spies8kiara 6:49 pm
(6:49:22 PM): omgomgomg
spies8claude 6:49 pm
(6:49:28 PM): ?
spies8kiara 6:49 pm
(6:49:41 PM): awohali lied!
spies8claude 6:49 pm
(6:49:49 PM): ...
spies8kiara 6:49 pm
(6:49:55 PM): awohali did not have a role
spies8claude 6:50 pm
(6:50:20 PM): Probably still going to lynch Jenny today.
spies8kiara 6:50 pm
(6:50:40 PM): oh i still think shes scummy as hell, but im shocked
spies8jenny (10:08:27 PM): Dang thing dropped out.
spies8broderick (10:09:13 PM): lol?
spies8kiara (10:09:19 PM): if i was trying to clear jenny i certainly did role over read quick
spies8broderick (10:09:22 PM): What would be the purpose of using your role on awohali then?
spies8kiara (10:09:25 PM): roll over
spies8jenny (10:09:38 PM): To prove he wasn't lying maybe?
spies8jenny (10:09:55 PM): Except, oh look he really was.
spies8broderick (10:09:57 PM): strikes me as odd
spies8kiara (10:10:01 PM): sense i was added to gert and chances group, and so was cory, i saw no reason to check him
spies8broderick (10:10:13 PM): So you didn't check him?
spies8kiara (10:10:14 PM): who else is there to check?
spies8broderick (10:10:20 PM): what?
spies8kiara (10:10:23 PM): no, i didnt. i only got 1 check this round
spies8kiara (10:10:35 PM): who should i have checked then, brod?
spies8broderick (10:10:40 PM): So you didn't check Awohali?
spies8kiara (10:10:46 PM): no i did
spies8kiara (10:10:48 PM): ><
spies8jenny (10:10:50 PM): What are you talking about Ricky?
spies8broderick (10:10:57 PM): no, i didnt. i only got 1 check this round
spies8kiara (10:11:05 PM): i got 1, and i used it on awo
spies8kiara (10:11:18 PM): i wasnt going to use it on cory, who else is there?
spies8broderick (10:11:45 PM): who said naything about cory?
spies8kiara (10:12:19 PM): spies8broderick 10:09 pm
(10:09:25 PM): What would be the purpose of using your role on awohali then?
spies8kiara (10:12:20 PM): spies8broderick 10:09 pm
(10:09:59 PM): strikes me as odd
spies8kiara (10:12:31 PM): i was explaining why awo, so you did
spies8broderick (10:13:57 PM): i didnt bring up cory
spies8broderick (10:14:09 PM): that was a half completed sentence about 'strikes me as odd'
spies8kiara (10:14:39 PM): you were like 'oh my awo thats so odd' and i said 'there was no better option' so you started the converstaion.
spies8broderick (10:14:54 PM): uh no
spies8kiara (10:15:13 PM): oh brody you make my head hurt
spies8jenny (10:15:14 PM): That's how it looks to me Ricky.
spies8broderick (10:15:14 PM): what would be the purpose of checking awo, if you weren't going to look at the results andbelieve them?
spies8broderick (10:15:25 PM): that was a half completed sentence about 'strikes me as odd'
spies8jenny (10:15:36 PM): Where did she say she didn't believe the results?
spies8broderick (10:15:40 PM): Already said that
spies8kiara (10:15:48 PM): i do believe the results. i believe that he lied. just because he doesnt have the role doesnt mean jennys clean
spies8broderick (10:15:57 PM): ^
spies8broderick (10:16:01 PM): that right there is what im talking about
spies8lawrence (10:16:02 PM): I agree with that statement, Kiara
spies8broderick (10:16:21 PM): dont believe she explained why she thought he lied, just that he must of
spies8jenny (10:16:31 PM): Heck I agree with it too. As much as I'd like it doesn't confirm that I'm a cit, just that Hali is a doofus.
spies8broderick (10:16:43 PM): Awohali was not an idiot
spies8kiara (10:16:48 PM): im not a psychologist, i cant tell you why he did what he did. just that he did
spies8broderick (10:16:51 PM): If you claim so, explain it with reasoning
spies8kiara (10:17:03 PM): broderick, you ignore most reasoning anyway lol
spies8broderick (10:17:16 PM): No i dont.
spies8broderick (10:17:21 PM): back that up with evidence
spies8broderick (10:17:22 PM): L
spies8broderick (10:17:24 PM): K
spies8kiara (10:17:30 PM): m
spies8kiara (10:17:31 PM): o
spies8jenny (10:17:32 PM): Yes you do.

Jenny: I've only talked with Lawry since the merge happened, since we were never on the same team before that.

Ricky: Was it a spy chat?

Jenny: *ignores ricky for other questions*

Ricky: Why won't you answer my question Jenny?

Jenny: Yeah ricky, that's it exactly. We're spies together and we waited til the merge to talk to each other. Are you crazy?

Ricky: You didn't have to avoid the question.
spies8kiara (10:17:32 PM): p
spies8broderick (10:17:56 PM): wrong
spies8broderick (10:18:03 PM): already covered that
spies8lawrence (10:18:17 PM): I do not believe that Awohali was stupid. However, I agree that his attempted gambit was misguided.
spies8jenny (10:18:52 PM): I don't really care what his IQ is, in the end he still faked having a role.
spies8broderick (10:18:53 PM): I guess we'll just see @ end game then huh.
spies8broderick (10:19:13 PM): *obligatory according to kiara*
spies8broderick (10:19:14 PM): lol
spies8lawrence (10:21:51 PM): Jenny, who do you suspect at this point?
spies8jenny (10:22:27 PM): Right now, I'm looking at Rondie. I forget if I talked with you about it earlier today, did we get to that at all?
spies8jenny (10:23:06 PM): Let me check.
spies8lawrence (10:23:34 PM): We did, I think
spies8lawrence (10:23:37 PM): But it was very quick
spies8broderick (10:23:56 PM): Why Rondak?
spies8jenny (10:24:09 PM): Yeah I found it. I'll just repeat myself from that.
spies8jenny (10:24:10 PM): Was looking over the chat log of before exile, and saw a bit about Rondie's top four people being Claude, Lucky, myself, and Gerty. But he ended up voting for Hali in the end. That plus the fact that I have cit reads on those four (especially myself, duh ), probably a good idea to look into him a bit.
spies8broderick (10:24:54 PM): He admitted to wagoning on Awohali
spies8jenny (10:25:23 PM): When was that?
spies8broderick (10:25:40 PM): This morning when he replied to me asking him over the break
spies8jenny (10:26:01 PM): Missed him on then.
spies8broderick (10:26:34 PM): I had PMed him.
spies8broderick (10:26:42 PM): he was on aim a bit
spies8jenny (10:26:47 PM): He say anything in particular as to why he did?
spies8broderick (10:27:03 PM): No
spies8broderick (10:27:15 PM): Didn'taskk
spies8jenny (10:28:20 PM): Something to ask if I see him then.
spies8broderick (10:30:57 PM): What about the other spies? Any thoughts on them?
spies8stephanie (10:30:57 PM): going to bed -- sure am glad i am not having to post every minute -- gla
spies8lawrence (10:31:05 PM): Same here
spies8lawrence (10:31:08 PM): Good night Stephanie
spies8broderick (10:31:12 PM): Night Stephanie
spies8kiara (10:33:50 PM): ok guys, i have to be taking off. ill see you later
spies8lawrence (10:33:59 PM): Good night Kiara
spies8broderick (10:34:43 PM): Heh speaking of Rondak
spies8jenny (10:34:53 PM): Hm?
spies8broderick (10:35:03 PM): He posted in the vote thread spam-a-lot
spies8jenny (10:35:15 PM): Oh I see it.
spies8jenny (10:35:32 PM): He says that like it's weird.
spies8lawrence (10:35:38 PM): Broderick - Who are the criminals in our midst?
spies8jenny (10:35:46 PM): He's not in here.
spies8lawrence (10:36:05 PM): . . . he posted three lines above my comment within the same minute.
spies8broderick (10:36:21 PM): Dod you mean Rondak?
spies8jenny (10:36:24 PM): Oh whoops.
spies8broderick (10:36:25 PM): Isn't in here?
spies8jenny (10:36:27 PM): Thought you said Brondak.
spies8lawrence (10:36:39 PM): Maybe you should get some sleep
spies8lawrence (10:36:40 PM): =P
spies8broderick (10:36:49 PM): I endorse that
spies8jenny (10:36:56 PM): Nah, I've done that a lot ever since he added a B to his name.
spies8broderick (10:37:03 PM): Jenny/Chance/Cinnamyn
spies8broderick (10:37:12 PM): and... i dunno
spies8broderick (10:37:33 PM): but probably relook chance and cinnamyn, given gert was a suspect of mine and she was cit - but was intentionally doing scummy things
spies8broderick (10:38:27 PM): You?
spies8broderick (10:38:31 PM): also
spies8broderick (10:38:46 PM): spies8broderick (20:31:2): What about the other spies? Any thoughts on them?
spies8broderick (10:38:49 PM): That was to youJenny
spies8jenny (10:39:12 PM): Oh, missed that before.
spies8lawrence (10:39:45 PM): Right now, I'd say Dane/Claude/Jenny works as a scumteam, with the fourth being difficult to place.
spies8lawrence (10:40:21 PM): Out of those three, my top suspect is Dane
spies8lawrence (10:40:34 PM): Can you point me to a Jenny case?
spies8jenny (10:40:38 PM): Like I said earlier, you I'm looking at a alittle bit, and now that we know some of our roles made a bit of a group that likely had a spy in it, I'm going to try to get more information about that from Lucky when I can.
spies8lawrence (10:40:43 PM): Besides the "avid avoider" thread?
spies8broderick (10:41:21 PM): a case on Jenny from me, or in general?
spies8lawrence (10:41:45 PM): In general
spies8lawrence (10:42:01 PM): I know she has been suspected for a while (from Hambone, and others (?))
spies8lawrence (10:42:07 PM): But I don't recall seeing reasons outlined
spies8broderick (10:42:12 PM): yes
spies8lawrence (10:42:12 PM): Unless I missed it
spies8jenny (10:42:13 PM): Mostly Hammy until recently.
spies8broderick (10:43:00 PM): not a general, dont think so
spies8lawrence (10:43:27 PM): I will have to ask Hambone the next time I see him
spies8jenny (10:43:40 PM): I think Hammy posted something about it somewhere.
spies8jenny (10:43:46 PM): I forget which topic specifically though.
spies8lawrence (10:43:52 PM): I might look when I return from my magic conference
spies8lawrence (10:44:01 PM): I will be away Friday and Saturday
spies8broderick (10:44:31 PM): looking for citis and not spies - while not protecting or trying to save those she thought as cits from being exiled
spies8broderick (10:45:06 PM): nita claiming to her
spies8jenny (10:45:12 PM): If you're refering to episode 2, if you know how to convince people to not vote for the top three wagons at the time, all of which seeming to come up the day of exile, I'd love to know.
spies8lawrence (10:45:37 PM): Did you try?
spies8jenny (10:45:40 PM): Yes.
spies8jenny (10:45:50 PM): Succeeded with one.
spies8lawrence (10:45:51 PM): And why is Nita claiming to Jenny suspicious about Jenny?
spies8jenny (10:45:56 PM): Another got exiled, the other an episode later.
spies8broderick (10:45:58 PM): do it publicly
spies8broderick (10:46:06 PM): * not revealing
spies8broderick (10:46:10 PM): *&
spies8lawrence (10:46:20 PM): You knew Nita was third party, and didn't reveal it?
spies8broderick (10:46:22 PM): sorry, kinda watching the clock constantly. so some sentence sdont get finished
spies8lawrence (10:46:28 PM): It's fine
spies8jenny (10:46:34 PM): Yeah, didn't see much point in revealing it.
spies8lawrence (10:46:45 PM): But if my character were an internet stereotype instead of a flashy magician
spies8lawrence (10:46:51 PM): my reaction to that would be something like this.
spies8lawrence (10:47:00 PM): OMGWTFWHYONEARTHWOULDYOUKEEPTHATSECRET? DJF:JKV:JD:VKDNSA:FJD:JF
spies8rondak (10:47:19 PM): did I miss any more fun?
spies8jenny (10:47:24 PM): Because she had no powers, was still helping the cits at the time, and in the end still wasn't a spy?
spies8rondak (10:47:29 PM): and good job jenny and brod
spies8rondak (10:47:41 PM): I love your work ethic onthe challenge
spies8broderick (10:47:46 PM): She would of eventually helped the spies
spies8lawrence (10:48:17 PM): Did she catch any Spies?
spies8jenny (10:48:30 PM): Great. Eventually was not right then.

Especially considering when you do the math she likely had 4 tasks that helped cits, 4 neutral, and 4 spy ones, and she had to do all but two. Eventually was a good while away.
spies8jenny (10:48:39 PM): And yes, she and Tini started the case on Lexi.
spies8lawrence (10:49:09 PM): Hmmm
spies8broderick (10:49:17 PM): You couldn't guarantee that she wasn't though
spies8lawrence (10:49:18 PM): I'm sure you understand why I'm skeptical of this
spies8jenny (10:49:40 PM): How much do you know about Ni-Ni by the way Lawry?
spies8lawrence (10:49:48 PM): Ni-Ni?
spies8lawrence (10:49:50 PM): Nita?
spies8jenny (10:49:53 PM): Yeah.
spies8broderick (10:49:54 PM): Why are you skeptical, Lawrence?
spies8lawrence (10:49:57 PM): I know she was third party
spies8lawrence (10:50:06 PM): Third party role in the pocket is a great asset for criminals
spies8jenny (10:50:31 PM): How much did you get about the specifics for what she had?
spies8lawrence (10:50:43 PM): Not much
spies8lawrence (10:50:55 PM): Just she had to complete tasks in order to win
spies8jenny (10:51:22 PM): Her job was to do a bunch of tasks related to things that commonly happen in spies. Some helpful for cits, some that were helpful for spies, and some that were neutral.
spies8broderick (10:51:35 PM): nice of you to join us rondak
spies8jenny (10:51:40 PM): No powers other then that, and if she managed to do it, she'd get a personal win and leave the game right then.
spies8jenny (10:53:41 PM): She claims to me a bit before the first imprisonment occurs, specifically to request that she not get imprisoned, so she can do her tasks in peace.
spies8jenny (10:54:15 PM): Never asked for help in doing them, and only even told me tasks if she'd managed to do it already, or if it was relevant to what was going on at the moment.
spies8rondak (10:54:33 PM): sorry I'm missing this week's fun, work is a pain
spies8rondak (10:54:45 PM): but I think today's the last back-breaking one
spies8lawrence (10:54:56 PM): So she thought you were a Spy?
spies8broderick (10:55:21 PM): cinnamyn claude?
spies8broderick (10:55:27 PM): Did they say they were afk?
spies8rondak (10:55:53 PM): what does AFK stand for?
spies8lawrence (10:56:00 PM): Away from keyboard
spies8rondak (10:56:10 PM): makes sense
spies8jenny (10:56:15 PM): Pretty much. She goes "I think you're a spy, and you're also one of the only people in the game who I think can keep a secret. You don't imprison me, so I can do my tasks, I don't make a case on you."

Went on like that for a bit, despite me telling her I wasn't a spy and that I didn't really care if she put a case up on me.
spies8lawrence (10:57:17 PM): Alright
spies8lawrence (10:57:31 PM): The expanded version of that story sounds better than the condensed
spies8jenny (10:57:42 PM): Apparently the only other person she thought could keep a secret was the original Rondie, and she thought he was a cit at the time. so she didn't want to risk talking with anyone else about it. I figure, she's not going to be in contact with actual spies, she's helping cits for now, and bringing her up is only going to send the town into a panic for no good reason.
spies8rondak (10:58:09 PM): Hmmm...A-Rondak left no record of her
spies8jenny (10:58:43 PM): Makes sense, she wasn't planning on claiming to him, since she didn't think telling him would keep her safe from imprisonment.
spies8jenny (10:59:34 PM): In the end, she gets imprisoned anyways, I figure we might as well have as much information about her as possible, so I tell people about her claiming to me before.
spies8jenny (11:01:36 PM): Some people, I know Hammy for sure, think I should have brought it out right away. Ended up making a big rant somewhere about why I thought that'd have been a horrible idea, and that I didn't see what the big deal about it was.
spies8lawrence (11:01:59 PM): I see your logic now
spies8broderick (11:02:01 PM): because they are neutral and have only loyalties to themself
spies8jenny (11:02:15 PM): So? She still wasn't a spy.
spies8broderick (11:02:17 PM): neutral/third party
spies8lawrence (11:02:20 PM): As I said, the summary of a story can sound incredibly different than the details
spies8broderick (11:02:53 PM): she wasn't a cit either
spies8lawrence (11:03:05 PM): Of course, if you are a criminal, you could still play it off the same way to the Burg and change the details, but that's not worth discussing
spies8jenny (11:03:12 PM): Last I checked, she was marked a foreign agent. Since the object of the game is not to catch the foreign agents, but the spies, I didn't see a point.

It's not like she was something like a serial killer or anything as drastic as that.
spies8jenny (11:03:34 PM): She had tasks like "Win an activity!" "Have a role claim to you!"
spies8rondak (11:03:37 PM): what tasks did she tell you about?
spies8jenny (11:03:39 PM): ooooo, scary.
spies8broderick (11:03:46 PM): lol doesnt really matter
spies8broderick (11:03:54 PM): her loyalties were hreself. so was her win condition
spies8rondak (11:03:58 PM): sounds interesting
spies8broderick (11:04:04 PM): end of day, she is going to do what helps her the most
spies8jenny (11:04:11 PM): other ones were "a tie at exile!" "make a case on a spy and get them exiled!" and one other I'm trying to remember.
spies8lawrence (11:04:26 PM): And at the time, according to Jenny, she was helping the Citizens.
spies8rondak (11:04:42 PM): sounds like a lot of work
spies8jenny (11:04:43 PM): Most people had her pegged as an obvious citizen as well after Lexi was exiled.
spies8jenny (11:04:57 PM): Oh now I remember.
spies8jenny (11:05:01 PM): "Survive til exile 8!"
spies8broderick (11:05:10 PM): no way to guarantee that. If she wasnt looking out for herself. why claim to some one she thought was a spy and ask/tell them not to imprison her?
spies8jenny (11:05:40 PM): So that she's not imprisoned?

Wouldn't be the first time I've seen that.
spies8rondak (11:05:51 PM): well fending for yourself is not exactly anti-town, is it?
spies8broderick (11:05:57 PM): She was obviously willing to work with a spy, so she could last longer
spies8broderick (11:06:01 PM): how is that helping the town?
spies8lawrence (11:06:05 PM): Good point
spies8jenny (11:06:08 PM): Not to mention she specifically wanted to do the first one about getting a spy exiled so that doing other cit tasks would be easier.
spies8jenny (11:06:22 PM): Which, you know, kind of implies planning on doing them first.
spies8broderick (11:07:18 PM): How is attempting to work with a spy, helping the town?
spies8jenny (11:07:52 PM): And it was hardly working with the spies. We still just talked about suspicions as usual, she never asked me for help in doing a task, and for the time being she certainly looked to be working for the town.

If she still lived to this point and it sounded like she only had spy tasks to work on? Sure, I can see it being a better idea to make sure people know about it. Before Imprisonment 2? Not so much.
spies8jenny (11:08:41 PM): By the way, good job Ricky on the challenge. Got killed by the page deciding to not load for me.
spies8lawrence (11:08:41 PM): Anyways, these old bones must retire for the evening.
spies8lawrence (11:08:52 PM): I have a long, early journey tomorrow
spies8broderick (11:08:53 PM): would of been informative for the doc to know shouldn't waste any role powers on her

[Lawrence]

Stephanie

spies8lawrence (9:09:09 AM): Good morning my dear Stephanie
spies8stephanie (9:09:38 AM): hi larry
spies8stephanie (9:09:49 AM): how was your break?
spies8lawrence (9:09:49 AM): How are you?
spies8stephanie (9:10:12 AM): i'm good
spies8stephanie (9:10:58 AM): are you hoping to win your vote back this evening?
spies8lawrence (9:11:12 AM): Unfortunately
spies8lawrence (9:11:23 AM): I have a performance tonight
spies8lawrence (9:11:37 AM): And I will not be around at the required time to earn my vote back
spies8lawrence (9:11:47 AM): If I were here, I would be trying for it assuredly
spies8lawrence (9:11:50 AM): But alas, I will not
spies8stephanie (9:12:23 AM): ohhh that's too bad
spies8lawrence (9:13:04 AM): Oh well, I am sure there will be other opportunites
spies8lawrence (9:13:21 AM): So, could you please dispel some rumors for me?
spies8lawrence (9:13:28 AM): I have no idea who you are voting for at this Exile
spies8lawrence (9:13:36 AM): I mean, it is not like there is a guilty investigation on someone
spies8lawrence (9:13:47 AM): We are completely in the dark!
spies8stephanie (9:14:07 AM): lol
spies8stephanie (9:14:55 AM): my suspect list after jenny is pretty much of a scrambled mess at the moment, tho
spies8lawrence (9:15:23 AM): I am hoping we can glean some information from Jenny this round
spies8lawrence (9:15:47 AM): Although, odds are, with her on the chopping block, she will probably avoid AIM in order to avoid giving up information
spies8stephanie (9:16:37 AM): and she never gave up much info
spies8lawrence (9:19:50 AM): AH
spies8lawrence (9:19:57 AM): I just might earn my vote back this round
spies8stephanie (9:21:08 AM): oh?
spies8lawrence (9:22:18 AM): In my confessional there was a puzzle
spies8lawrence (9:22:26 AM): At the bottom of the screen
spies8lawrence (9:22:45 AM): And a message that the first to solve it would earn their vote back
spies8stephanie (9:22:57 AM): well good luck!
spies8lawrence (9:22:59 AM): It was simple, and I solved it
spies8lawrence (9:23:13 AM): Thanks for the well wishes
spies8lawrence (9:39:54 AM): May I ask why your suspect list after Jenny is in a mess?
spies8stephanie (9:41:47 AM): for a long time my 4 spies were you, chance, kiara, and rondak
spies8stephanie (9:42:01 AM): not sure about you anymore
spies8stephanie (9:42:19 AM): owen and cory are somehow convinced that chance is cit
spies8lawrence (9:42:20 AM): I will take that as a compliment =P
spies8stephanie (9:42:37 AM): though i am not privvy to that info
spies8stephanie (9:42:43 AM): kiara claimed
spies8stephanie (9:43:12 AM): guess i might still be left with rondak?
spies8lawrence (9:43:14 AM): I can see why that would make you change your mind
spies8stephanie (9:53:55 AM): time for me to go kill some bugs. break a leg tonight. later
spies8stephanie signed off at 9:54:03 AM
spies8stephanie (10:08:05 PM): kiara first came into tonight and said that awohali didn't have a role
spies8lawrence (10:08:25 PM): Isn't that what she is saying now?
spies8stephanie (10:08:29 PM): yes
spies8lawrence (10:08:40 PM): I'm sorry, I fail to see where you are going with this
spies8stephanie (10:08:51 PM): then she disappeared while we all discussed
spies8stephanie (10:09:07 PM): and most of us decided that kiara and jenny were both spies
spies8stephanie (10:09:44 PM): and then kiara re-appeared and said she thought jenny was a spy, but that awohali was lying
spies8lawrence (10:10:11 PM): I'm sorry, I don't see what is suspicious about this
spies8stephanie (10:11:00 PM): ok...either i am not explaining well..or perhaps it is not suspicious
spies8stephanie (10:11:39 PM): we were all talking about why kiara would lie about awohali's role
spies8lawrence (10:11:40 PM): Saying that Awohali didn't have a role does not have an effect on Jenny's alignment
spies8lawrence (10:11:59 PM): The only reason for Kiara to lie about Awohali's role is for Kiara and Jenny to both be criminals.
spies8stephanie (10:12:21 PM): well, if awohali did have a role then clearly jenny is spy
spies8lawrence (10:12:36 PM): Saying Awohali doesn't have a role only says Awohali strongly believed Jenny was a criminal, and was willing to create a fake role in order for us to lynch her.
spies8lawrence (10:12:48 PM): But she is saying that Awohali doesn't have a role.
spies8stephanie (10:12:56 PM): and if awohali did have a role then kiara is spy
spies8lawrence (10:13:04 PM): Correct.
spies8lawrence (10:13:17 PM): However, as far as I know, we have no information other than Kiara's role about Awohali's "role."
spies8stephanie (10:13:19 PM): if awohali did not have role then why did he claim to have one
spies8lawrence (10:13:39 PM): He believed Jenny was a criminal so strongly, he would do anything to get us to Exile her?
spies8lawrence (10:13:48 PM): That is the only argument I can come up with
spies8stephanie (10:14:02 PM): possibility, and i even asked awohali about that
spies8stephanie (10:14:15 PM): and he said his role was real
spies8stephanie (10:14:20 PM): tho who knows?
spies8lawrence (10:14:42 PM): Why would he tell one person that the role was fake? That would defeat the purpose of his "strategy." (I don't think highly of it, but that's personal opinion.)
spies8stephanie (10:15:05 PM): i agree
spies8stephanie (10:15:48 PM): i suspect that jenny and kiara are both spies and awohali was telling the truth
spies8stephanie (10:16:20 PM): kiara-spy tried to get us to move off jenny by saying the role was fake
spies8lawrence (10:16:30 PM): That is fine, but do you have evidence to support that claim besides "Awohali was telling the truth?"
spies8stephanie (10:16:55 PM): and now she's trying not to get caught up in the suspicions by telling us to exile jenny anyway
spies8stephanie (10:17:16 PM): no evidence
spies8lawrence (10:17:37 PM): Wouldn't it be easier for her to say that Awohali's role was real, bus Jenny, and look Citizen out of the deal?
spies8stephanie (10:17:37 PM): though i did point to him not claiming earlier
spies8stephanie (10:18:29 PM): yep, if they knew ahead of time that no one would move off jenny
spies8lawrence (10:19:34 PM): They could ensure that no one would move off of Jenny by saying Awohali has a role
spies8stephanie (10:20:02 PM): i think they were trying to save jenny
spies8stephanie (10:20:06 PM): and it didn't work
spies8stephanie (10:20:41 PM): and then kiara started back-tracking
spies8lawrence (10:20:57 PM): How has she backtracked?
spies8stephanie (10:25:52 PM): well i don't see that she did, in fact, she claims she never tried to make any conclusions from awohali not having a role
spies8stephanie (10:26:03 PM): which is suspicious itself
spies8lawrence (10:26:18 PM): I don't see how that is suspicious
spies8lawrence (10:26:25 PM): However, have you asked our question to Dane yet?
spies8lawrence (10:26:36 PM): I will do it if you haven't, he is online
spies8stephanie (10:27:07 PM): yeah, i have, and was totally unsatisfied with answer
spies8stephanie (10:27:11 PM): so try again
spies8stephanie signed off at 10:31:10 PM

[Lawrence]

Jenny

spies8jenny (1:26:59 PM): Hi Lawry!
spies8lawrence (1:43:48 PM): Hey, sorry, was away from keyboard
spies8lawrence (1:47:21 PM): Here is the deal: if you sell out your Spy partners, we will Exile you last.
spies8jenny (1:52:55 PM): Back myself.

And even if I was a spy that'd be a fairly dumb move.
spies8jenny (1:53:12 PM): I'm just waiting for imprisonment right now so Kitty can prove that Hali was lying about his role.
spies8jenny (1:55:29 PM): At least it's a change of pace for me. Usually I'm an obvious cit and I get night hit early in the game. I honestly can't remember the last time I've been wrongly suspected in a forum mafia game.
spies8lawrence (1:55:33 PM): Kiara will bring light into the situation . . . however, I do not see why Awohali would lie.
spies8jenny (1:56:57 PM): Well here's what I know. Hali claimed that he got an investigation on me that turned up spy. Sammy detests misleading results, so a wrong investigation isn't it. I'm not a spy though, so that leaves he lied about his role altogether and used a fake role as a way to force the issue, or he really did have the role and outed it in a miraculously stupid way.
spies8jenny (1:57:34 PM): I'm more inclined for the former, since he doesn't seem like the type to completely screw up a role like that.
spies8lawrence (1:58:06 PM): I can not believe that he would lie until it is proven. My apologies.
spies8jenny (1:58:46 PM): And if our situation was reversed, I'd probably be the same way, so I'm not about to hold anyone against it for now. That's why I'm waiting for imprisonment so we can get the issue straightened out.
spies8jenny (2:03:42 PM): In the meantime, looking into Rondie a bit for now.
spies8jenny (2:04:45 PM): Was looking over the chat log of before exile, and saw a bit about Rondie's top four people being Claude, Lucky, myself, and Gerty. But he ended up voting for Hali in the end. That plus the fact that I have cit reads on those four (especially myself, duh ), probably a good idea to look into him a bit.
spies8lawrence (2:55:45 PM): My dear, did you notice the confessional puzzle?
spies8lawrence (2:55:58 PM): I am hoping I was the first to complete it
spies8jenny (3:15:07 PM): Sorry, just got back.
spies8jenny (3:15:28 PM): Confessional puzzle?
spies8lawrence (3:15:50 PM): Check the "footer" of your confessional
spies8jenny (3:16:38 PM): Oh I see it now.
spies8jenny (3:17:20 PM): Thanks for the notice, didn't see that before.
spies8lawrence (3:17:36 PM): I hate to tarnish your view of me
spies8lawrence (3:17:48 PM): But I solved it at aproximately 9:30 this morning
spies8jenny (3:18:06 PM): That's ok, I likely have a better chance of doing the other one later tonight.
spies8jenny (3:18:21 PM): I've been at work most of the day anyways, not like there was much chance of me getting it if it was up that long.
spies8jenny (3:18:46 PM): I figured it out though, so I might as well post.
spies8lawrence (3:20:03 PM): It is a fairly easy puzzle
spies8jenny (3:20:25 PM): Yep, just have to find a word and see if the extra letter fits anywhere else.
spies8lawrence (3:21:02 PM): I am happy that I noticed it early, as I will not be available tonight.
spies8lawrence (3:21:04 PM): I have a performance
spies8jenny (3:21:08 PM): I'd never have noticed that, I don't linger in the main area of my confessional very long, certainly would never scroll down that far unless I'm needing a link to a past spies game.
spies8lawrence (3:21:37 PM): I noticed it when I went to type a confessional. The top part of it was visible as I was typing, and it caught my eye.
spies8jenny (3:21:47 PM): That works.
spies8jenny (3:21:54 PM): Wonder when it was first put up.
spies8jenny (3:22:22 PM): But in any case, the one later tonight I have a better feeling about anyways as long as I can get to a computer.
spies8jenny (3:33:58 PM): I have to leave in a moment, starting to shut things down here, but before I go...
spies8jenny (3:34:48 PM): I think it's safe to say where you'll want to vote if Hali does turn out to have had that role, but where are your thoughts at if it turns out he was lying?
spies8jenny (3:36:12 PM): And I have to go in about 2 minutes, so if you could answer before I have to go that'd be great.
spies8lawrence (3:37:48 PM): Sorry
spies8lawrence (3:37:51 PM): Was away from keyboard
spies8lawrence (3:38:12 PM): My suspect list is Dane, Claude, and I want to look at Cinnamyn
spies8lawrence (3:38:33 PM): Dane for the reasons I talked about last round
spies8lawrence (3:38:37 PM): Claude for the role and how it was used
spies8jenny (3:38:41 PM): Alright I have to head out. I'll talk with you more about it later I guess.
spies8lawrence (3:38:47 PM): Alright, sorry
spies8jenny (3:39:00 PM): No problem we got some time yet in any case.
spies8jenny signed off at 3:39:02 PM
spies8jenny (9:56:24 PM): Hi Lawry!
spies8lawrence (9:56:31 PM): Hi Jenny
spies8jenny (9:56:47 PM): So, Kitty says that Hali was lying after all.
spies8jenny (10:07:30 PM): Yeah, this is about as much sense as the chat has been making for a while now.
spies8jenny signed off at 10:07:49 PM
spies8lawrence (10:07:51 PM): Wow, is the posting challenge still ongoing?
spies8jenny signed on at 10:08:10 PM

[Lawrence]

spies8

spies8jenny (9:06:58 PM): But he should answer with hypotheticals I'd think.
spies8broderick (9:07:02 PM): Did he?
spies8jasmine (9:07:03 PM): Hey Lawrence and Stephanie
spies8lawrence (9:07:06 PM): Good evening everyone
spies8stephanie (9:07:07 PM): hi
spies8broderick (9:07:16 PM): Hey Stephanie and Lawrence
spies8jenny (9:07:21 PM): Yeah, he'd make those topics saying "OH LOOK THIS PERSON IS IN THE DRUNK TANK LOL LOL LOL"
spies8jasmine (9:07:24 PM): viewernotgert is available 10:07 pm
Dead men don't talk, but dead women love to.
spies8jenny (9:07:38 PM): So, kind of hard to deny there being a jailer by then.
spies8lawrence (9:07:39 PM): Quite funny
spies8jasmine (9:07:44 PM): Lawrence, babe what have you been up to recently?
spies8jasmine (9:07:45 PM): Any sex?
spies8broderick (9:07:56 PM): 'If you investigated a player for a role, and they had a 'one use role' and it was used up - would it show up as them having a role'?
spies8broderick (9:08:21 PM): 'one use power' I suppose
spies8lawrence (9:08:29 PM): No, no, the female illusionists are much too young to share a bed with such an old soul as myself.
spies8jasmine (9:08:41 PM): lawrence and steph, wat at your thoughts on it?
spies8jasmine (9:08:46 PM): kiara checked awohali, he was roleless.
spies8jasmine (9:09:08 PM): was it because he already used his role for wat it was? or was she lying? wat do u guys think?
spies8stephanie (9:09:17 PM): either kiara or awohali was lying
spies8jasmine (9:09:46 PM): You dont think they both could have been telling the truth?
spies8lawrence (9:09:48 PM): We should ask Sam for clarification on such a matter
spies8lawrence (9:10:00 PM): However, I do not believe Kiara is lying
spies8jasmine (9:10:02 PM): I think Kiara is suspect outside of this event, and that role could easily be a spy role.
spies8jasmine (9:10:14 PM): So i dont know if her lying or not even amtters in terms of me thinking she is a spy.
spies8jasmine (9:10:28 PM): but it would be awesome to know.
spies8jenny (9:10:39 PM): How does her role make sense as a spy role?
spies8lawrence (9:10:42 PM): The only reason she would have to lie is if her and Jenny were both criminals.
spies8jasmine (9:10:55 PM): a spy would want to see fi people had roles just as much as citizens.
spies8jenny (9:10:55 PM): When part of her role has to do with guessing people's alignments to get extra checks?
spies8jasmine (9:10:58 PM): To see if they got the doctor.
spies8lawrence (9:11:13 PM): And we will never know if that is the case unless Kiara is eliminated
spies8stephanie (9:11:14 PM): the part she lied about?
spies8lawrence (9:11:35 PM): Although, I do admit, this role is entirely comprised of elements from other past Spies roles.
spies8broderick (9:11:36 PM): That could be a lie, to make it more citlike
spies8lawrence (9:11:57 PM): The Astrologer role in Spies 6 required guessing alignments, and the Security Checkpoint (?) role in Spies 7 checked dead players for roles.
spies8broderick (9:11:58 PM): It is a hard to confirm role
spies8jenny (9:11:59 PM): I'd find it more likely that the whole role is fake, then just part of it being changed.
spies8broderick (9:12:17 PM): Had there been a player with a role that she wasn't informed about, she could of been checked
spies8broderick (9:12:18 PM): Hey
spies8jasmine (9:12:18 PM): why couldnt the whole role be a spy role?
spies8broderick (9:13:11 PM): How does that work with Allan's role though
spies8jenny (9:13:15 PM): The whole point of her claiming was because she was up on the block at the time. She could easily have just said she gets to check dead players, without any of the extra stuff being involved, and gotten the same result.
spies8broderick (9:13:20 PM): She wouldn't be able to use it on him, yes?
spies8jenny (9:13:36 PM): And who says it has to work with Al's role?

Yeah, I'd think it'd just be a role that he couldn't copy for obvious reasons.
spies8broderick (9:13:36 PM): Or never asked Sam if she could?
spies8broderick (9:14:28 PM): Well why put a role in a game, which pretty much relies on roles being used on it - if there is a role which can't be used on it
spies8lawrence (9:15:21 PM): Wait, so are you saying Allan's role conflicts with Kiara's claim?
spies8lawrence (9:15:36 PM): (Attempting to jump in the conversation, failing)
spies8jenny (9:16:00 PM): Why do you have to have every single role in the game focus on the one? There's plenty of roles in this game that could be copied by Al, I think Sammy could spare one that wouldn't do the same.
spies8broderick (9:16:35 PM): Well I'm just wondering why there would be a role like Allan's in the game - which essentially relies on people using their roles on it/him. If there was another role out there which couldn't be used on him.
spies8broderick (9:16:47 PM): I'm not saying or implying that Allan's role was the entire focus.
spies8jenny (9:16:58 PM): Because by my count there'd be about 10 more that could?
spies8jenny (9:17:21 PM): It's not like there's a shortage of roles in the game.
spies8broderick (9:17:45 PM): But roles should be able to interect.
spies8jenny (9:18:10 PM): Great. There were about 10 others that could. Like I said, I'm sure he could spare the one.
spies8lawrence (9:18:15 PM): To be honest
spies8lawrence (9:18:28 PM): This role seems like a "throw-away role" to me
spies8lawrence (9:18:45 PM): One that's not the main focus of the role setup, but makes the game slightly more interesting.
spies8stephanie (9:18:56 PM): kiara's?
spies8lawrence (9:19:01 PM): Think something like the Punisher in Spies 5, or the Eugenicist in both Spies 5 and 6.
spies8broderick (9:19:11 PM): HEY WAIT ONE SECOND
spies8broderick (9:19:22 PM): Sorry, just realized something
spies8jenny (9:19:22 PM): *waits*
spies8lawrence (9:19:31 PM): This shall be quite exciting!
spies8broderick (9:19:41 PM): Previous seasons of spies, when a player with a role was eliminated. Sam said their role next to their name didn't he
spies8stephanie (9:19:48 PM): no
spies8jenny (9:19:50 PM): At the end of the game.
spies8broderick (9:19:53 PM): Oh
spies8broderick (9:19:55 PM): Damn
spies8jenny (9:19:55 PM): During the game it's not put there.
spies8lawrence (9:19:57 PM): This is true
spies8jenny (9:19:59 PM): He adds it in afterwards.
spies8broderick (9:20:00 PM): Thought I stumbled onto something
spies8lawrence (9:20:00 PM): He adds it in afterwards
spies8jenny (9:20:07 PM): Otherwise there'd be a lot more then just foreign agent listed in this game.
spies8stephanie (9:21:08 PM): awohali did say that he had a role
spies8stephanie (9:21:16 PM): he was the political activist
spies8stephanie (9:21:27 PM): so either he was lying or kiara was lying
spies8jenny (9:21:41 PM): Or we could go with the ones that were actually true like Savanny's, or Al's or Isaac's, or Gerty's?
spies8jenny (9:21:48 PM): Gerty isn't listed yet though, so never mind there.
spies8broderick (9:22:18 PM): Huh?
spies8stephanie (9:22:21 PM): i was going back to the one-time power vs a role
spies8broderick (9:25:01 PM): I wa shuh'ing to Jenny
spies8jenny (9:25:31 PM): I was refering to what Stephi was saying. Thought she was saying that Hali's role should be listed by his name with what you were asking about.
spies8broderick (9:25:53 PM): Oh
spies8lawrence (9:26:13 PM): Good evening Cinnamyn
spies8stephanie (9:26:13 PM): hi cinn
spies8cinnamyn (9:26:16 PM): whassup yall
spies8broderick (9:26:22 PM): Hey Cinnamyn
spies8jenny (9:26:22 PM): Hi Spice!
spies8stephanie (9:26:40 PM): still speculating over whether awohali lied or kiara lied
spies8broderick (9:26:58 PM): Would roles and special abilities be deemed the same?
spies8lawrence (9:27:00 PM): Honestly
spies8lawrence (9:27:08 PM): We will have no way of knowing who lied
spies8stephanie (9:27:10 PM): idk brod
spies8lawrence (9:27:23 PM): Until both Kiara and Jenny are dead
spies8stephanie (9:27:29 PM): but awohali said he had a "role" of "political activist"
spies8cinnamyn (9:27:41 PM): yea i wuz gunna say wait until jenny flipz and save ur energy
spies8lawrence (9:27:42 PM): It seems more lucrative, to me, to discuss Jenny and Kiara themselves, to determine who lied
spies8lawrence (9:27:57 PM): We can argue this all day and all night, but we still have an Exile soon
spies8broderick (9:28:02 PM): Well the GG from last season was a 'special ability'. the dick tracy and security checkpoint were 'roles'
spies8broderick (9:28:05 PM): so, any ways
spies8lawrence (9:28:19 PM): And I don't want to keep my vote behind the scenes
spies8cinnamyn (9:28:19 PM): hmm
spies8stephanie (9:29:00 PM): who are you voting larry?
spies8lawrence (9:29:04 PM): So lets discuss about Jenny in here
spies8lawrence (9:29:10 PM): (I have not decided quite yet)
spies8stephanie (9:29:20 PM): i voted jenny last time
spies8lawrence (9:29:41 PM): Why?
spies8lawrence (9:29:47 PM): (I apologize if you posted about this.)
spies8lawrence (9:31:27 PM): That is interesting
spies8lawrence (9:31:49 PM): Dane posted that Jenny gave him 98 of these so called "love points?"
spies8cinnamyn (9:32:20 PM): yea
spies8broderick (9:32:21 PM): Apparently
spies8lawrence (9:32:24 PM): Why?
spies8cinnamyn (9:32:27 PM): tha other 3 divvied dem up pritty equally
spies8broderick (9:32:29 PM): Who/what are you currently thinking Lawrence?
spies8jasmine (9:32:39 PM): apparently?
spies8jasmine (9:32:46 PM): i posted the results in the chat last night
spies8jasmine (9:32:47 PM): jenny confirmed
spies8jasmine (9:32:49 PM): and ill confirm him
spies8jasmine (9:32:56 PM): it isnt apparently. its the truth.
spies8jenny (9:33:04 PM): I'm pretty sure I've said several times now, but I did so since he's my best cit read out of the group.
spies8lawrence (9:33:12 PM): Why?
spies8lawrence (9:33:28 PM): Broderick - Right now, all I can say is probably not Rondak
spies8cinnamyn (9:34:05 PM): jazmine if u cud vote whod u do
spies8lawrence (9:34:08 PM): The case on him seems to be pure laziness, and I find Dane suspicious
spies8jenny (9:34:26 PM): For what reason?
spies8lawrence (9:34:41 PM): Due to how Dane got Rondak nominated the episode Magalie left, I find it unlikely that Dane and Rondak are criminals together
spies8broderick (9:35:30 PM): The case on him is that he is lazy, or the case itself is lazy?
spies8lawrence (9:35:52 PM): That he is lazy, unless there is something I have missed
spies8jasmine (9:35:58 PM): If I could vote
spies8jenny (9:35:59 PM): There would be.
spies8jasmine (9:36:00 PM): I'd vote for Jenny.
spies8jasmine (9:36:11 PM): I think we are dumb if we don't exile her at this point.
spies8jasmine (9:36:15 PM): After awohali's claim.
spies8jenny (9:36:23 PM): Saw something after going over the logs of before Hali's exile, that I thought was odd.
spies8cinnamyn (9:36:52 PM): rondak iz weird
spies8jenny (9:37:01 PM): Apparently Rondie's top four suspects at the time were Myself, Claude, Lucky, and Gerty. And yet he voted Hali instead.

That plus the fact that I have cit reads on all four of them (two of which I can be sure of), it makes sense to me to look into him.
spies8broderick (9:37:17 PM): lol?
spies8cinnamyn (9:37:25 PM): jenny did he tell u those 4.?
spies8cinnamyn (9:37:27 PM): he tol' me dis
spies8cinnamyn (9:37:32 PM): spies8cinnamyn: (10:41:46 PM)wut were ur gut feelingz.?
spies8rondak: (10:42:18 PM)I kept rotating between you, Chance and Claude
spies8rondak: (10:42:24 PM)based only on the cases in the Burg

spies8jenny (9:37:34 PM): It was in the group chats that Ricky posted.
spies8broderick (9:37:35 PM): Suspecting someone based on them suspecting someone you find to be citizen, is pretty... ridiculous
spies8jenny (9:37:43 PM): Shortly before Hali's claim.
spies8broderick (9:37:53 PM): Rondak admitted to wagoning on Awohali
spies8cinnamyn (9:38:01 PM): dont excuse it
spies8broderick (9:38:21 PM): I'm not excusing any behavior of wagoning.
spies8cinnamyn (9:38:33 PM): i wuz jus' sayin lmbo
spies8cinnamyn (9:38:38 PM): he also tol' me dis
spies8cinnamyn (9:38:39 PM): spies8cinnamyn: (11:24:35 PM)so r u basing ur vote based on wut other ppl say.?
spies8rondak: (11:25:09 PM)yup
spies8rondak: (11:25:22 PM)that and the group chats

spies8broderick (9:38:40 PM): Simply stating the fact that he admitted to wagoning on Awohali. I'm pretty sure I even told Jenny before.
spies8jenny (9:38:54 PM): And that makes it better why?
spies8broderick (9:39:24 PM): What makes what better?
spies8jenny (9:40:11 PM): Why does him saying he admitted to wagoning onto Hali make it better?
spies8broderick (9:40:29 PM): I never said it did
spies8broderick (9:40:58 PM): "Simply stating the fact that he admitted to wagoning on Awohali"
spies8cinnamyn (9:41:22 PM): i cant tell if he iz clueless cit or clueless spy
spies8cinnamyn (9:41:24 PM): i am leaning spy
spies8jasmine (9:41:51 PM): www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzBsavpP_ns <--Look you can watch Mr and Mrs Smith on youtube.
spies8broderick (9:43:35 PM): Why do you copy/paste things into the chat that you previously said?
spies8broderick (9:43:42 PM): ^ to Jenny
spies8jenny (9:44:01 PM): Such as?
spies8broderick (9:44:31 PM): spies8jenny: (11:24:20 PM) Was looking over the chat log of before exile, and saw a bit about Rondie's top four people being Claude, Lucky, myself, and Gerty. But he ended up voting for Hali in the end. That plus the fact that I have cit reads on those four (especially myself, duh ), probably a good idea to look into him a bit.
spies8broderick (9:44:55 PM): Not sure if it is exactly the same as you just said, but rather similar.
spies8broderick (9:44:59 PM): You've also done it before
spies8jenny (9:45:22 PM): Typed it from scratch this time, but yeah I do that sometimes if I'm just repeating myself, and don't feel like typing it all up again.
spies8broderick (9:45:55 PM): So easier to just go and search for it, rather than just say it?
spies8lawrence (9:46:03 PM): Jenny, wait a second
spies8jasmine (9:46:10 PM): Why does it amtter if she repeats herself?
spies8jasmine (9:46:13 PM): wat does that prove?
spies8broderick (9:46:13 PM): Or are you afraid that you might mess up?
spies8jenny (9:46:13 PM): If I'd just said it a few minutes ago? Sure.
spies8lawrence (9:46:41 PM): Why do you suspect Rondak for NOT VOTING for a group you thought were Citizens?
spies8jenny (9:48:06 PM): Because it came off to me as just going with the easy exile at the time. That, plus it's not like I wasn't going to get votes that round at all, so I don't see why he wouldn't vote me over Hali if he really did have me as one of his top suspects.
spies8cinnamyn (9:48:47 PM): cuz u r both spiez together.?
spies8jenny (9:48:56 PM): Yeah no
spies8lawrence (9:49:05 PM): Going with the easy Exile?
spies8lawrence (9:49:10 PM): Isn't that the same one you pushed?
spies8jenny (9:49:38 PM): He agreed with his top suspect over his own suspicions?
spies8broderick (9:50:04 PM): Uhm, other people have done that before
spies8broderick (9:50:13 PM): Or similar
spies8jenny (9:50:29 PM): As far as I understand it, he hadn't suspected Hali at the time, so I don't see why he would end up voting him.
spies8lawrence (9:50:36 PM): It's . . . odd to me, to say the least, that you would call an Exile you were on the "easy Exile."
spies8broderick (9:50:41 PM): A spy and wanted a cit gone
spies8broderick (9:51:32 PM): spies8rondak (19:14:59):But other than that, I'm just following Jenny based on others' cases
spies8cinnamyn (9:51:42 PM): lmbo
spies8broderick (9:51:58 PM): Pretty much a follower since he replaced in
spies8cinnamyn (9:52:11 PM): wen wuz he replaced.?
spies8broderick (9:52:34 PM): Uhm, three episodes ago?
spies8jenny (9:52:40 PM): I call it that because from what I understand from what Claude said a while ago, nearly the entire senate was set in their vote. I find it odd he'd just bandwagon with it if he suspected the opposing wagon more.
spies8broderick (9:53:06 PM): Were the Senate votes public knowledge?
spies8cinnamyn (9:53:19 PM): not 2 me, which iz y i am starting 2 suspect dem
spies8broderick (9:53:26 PM): I didn't know 'til like half hour before, but I got here late, so.
spies8jenny (9:53:47 PM): I got the impression that the senate had discussed the votes with each other in private that round.
spies8cinnamyn (9:54:00 PM): well, b specific, da "citgroup" senate
spies8cinnamyn (9:54:03 PM): cuz i didnt get a invite
spies8broderick (9:54:13 PM): Still wrong Cinnamyn
spies8broderick (9:54:21 PM): The "secretrolegroupsenate'
spies8broderick (9:54:22 PM): lol
spies8cinnamyn (9:54:26 PM): o, sorry
spies8broderick (9:54:35 PM): I dont think Rondak got one either
spies8cinnamyn (9:55:08 PM): i find it odd dat da mystery votez frum da "in" senate ended up bein' swing votez 4 citz da pas' 2 roundz
spies8cinnamyn (9:55:23 PM): cory/owen on zed, gert/owen on awo
spies8broderick (9:55:38 PM): Owen had his vote on Awohali from before he left I believe
spies8jasmine (9:55:54 PM): wait wait wait
spies8jasmine (9:55:58 PM): cinnamyn, is that true?
spies8jasmine (9:56:03 PM): Owen was the swing..
spies8jasmine (9:56:08 PM): cause claude was tlaking to me a bit ago
spies8jasmine (9:56:09 PM): also chance
spies8jasmine (9:56:14 PM): about the possibility of owen being a spy
spies8jasmine (9:56:19 PM): and tha tpeople just wrote him off for it
spies8broderick (9:56:27 PM): I wouldn't say Owen was the swing, since he probably had his vote on AWohali first
spies8stephanie (9:56:32 PM): back
spies8cinnamyn (9:56:32 PM): which leadz me 2 believe dat if a spy aint in those 3 (and obv 2 are dead citz) dat sum1 in da "in" senate grup iz a spy pushing ppl in da wrong direcshin
spies8cinnamyn (9:56:42 PM): he may not have been a swing, but hiz vote wuznt common knowledge
spies8broderick (9:56:51 PM): There obviously is a spy in that 'in' group.
spies8broderick (9:56:57 PM): Just look at the last imprisonments
spies8jasmine (9:57:07 PM): and i dont think he's done anything major to be a spy. but i think we defo shouldnt write him off is jenny is ending up a spy too--since jenny was one of his choices.
spies8cinnamyn (9:57:12 PM): my gut sez kiara bcuz after she iz given an invite gert diez
spies8jasmine (9:57:19 PM): for the isaac vote
spies8jasmine (9:57:35 PM): isaac/jenny/stephanie, and chance said it perfectly to me, that he never suspected stephanie. so he couldnt randomly jump on a case for her and then her end up a citizen
spies8broderick (9:57:48 PM): I suspected he was voting Awohali from, maybe mid episode. Once I knew he suspected Awohali, and Gertrude suspected Awohali
spies8jasmine (9:58:20 PM): I think Mary would be considered in the "in" group as well. and her vote is never posted anywheres either.
spies8broderick (9:58:28 PM): Nope
spies8lawrence (9:58:34 PM): Good point
spies8broderick (9:58:45 PM): I think she got there before Claude
spies8jenny (9:58:47 PM): Owen was also telling me last night he wasn't a fan of Mary being told about the group as well.

spies8cinnamyn (9:59:03 PM): i talked 2 sum1 about dat a while back, but sum1 refuted it "well u cant argue wit' ackshinz", meaning she voted spiez a lot. ie magalie/izaac. but still
spies8jasmine (9:59:03 PM): Mary/Cinnamyn were the first two people to be added after owen, she's been there awhile.
spies8broderick (9:59:08 PM): The group really shouldn't of happened in the first place
spies8broderick (9:59:29 PM): 'in' isn't the same as the Senate
spies8lawrence (9:59:31 PM): Citizen role-based alliances let Spies win
spies8lawrence (9:59:42 PM): Ask Jenya
spies8broderick (9:59:45 PM): lol
spies8broderick (9:59:56 PM): Destiny-Deflector was that role?
spies8lawrence (10:00:05 PM): Yes
spies8cinnamyn (10:00:49 PM): mary wuz let in2 da in crowd round 5 if i aint mistaken so she didnt vote chance over magalie
spies8stephanie (10:01:06 PM): Owen was the one who picked Mary for the senate, wasn't he?
spies8cinnamyn (10:01:20 PM): yea
spies8broderick (10:01:20 PM): Yes
spies8stephanie (10:01:27 PM): wasn't she 2nd senator?
spies8stephanie (10:01:38 PM): not really a group yet
spies8jasmine (10:01:39 PM): Her and Cinnamyn were added at the same time..I thought.
spies8cinnamyn (10:01:43 PM): we were
spies8broderick (10:01:46 PM): Apparently it was because they didn't want Tina in there, so she might not be imprisoned
spies8stephanie (10:02:33 PM): did tina have a role?
spies8broderick (10:02:57 PM): I don't think so
spies8jenny (10:03:06 PM): Not as far as I've heard.
spies8stephanie (10:03:19 PM): ok
spies8stephanie (10:03:39 PM): just that's what i thought at the time..when she didn't want to be part of senate
spies8jenny (10:05:18 PM): Nah, she didn't want in because she felt sure that the spies would go after the senate in particular.
spies8cinnamyn (10:05:42 PM): i jus' think da secrecy haz led 2 an eazier time 4 bein' manipulated by a spy (or more)
spies8broderick (10:06:07 PM): It heightens the win possiblity of the spies
spies8stephanie (10:06:20 PM): the secrecy was almost all gert and chance tho
spies8stephanie (10:06:29 PM): chance was the big problem
spies8broderick (10:07:31 PM): I still dont understand why Kiara was believed so easily and told so easily. Like she claimed thirty minutes before that exile, and she knew about chance and gert before Zed was exiled.
spies8broderick (10:08:11 PM): My largestproblem, which ive already said, but wahtever. Is that there were those of us who were essentially wasting time by chasing after these 'confirmed' citizens. Totally fucks your head up lol
spies8stephanie (10:08:21 PM): i don't either; i screamed and yelled at cory and owen about believing her
spies8broderick (10:08:42 PM): Were they even spyhunting in secret, for an 'in case im imprisoned' sort of deal?
spies8broderick (10:09:01 PM): *legitimately spy hunting
spies8cinnamyn (10:09:07 PM): i dont no, but da spyhuntin' in secret didnt end up well
spies8cinnamyn (10:09:10 PM): zed and awo dead
spies8broderick (10:09:25 PM): Those two were just plain fucked up
spies8broderick (10:09:35 PM): Zed especially
spies8lawrence (10:09:48 PM): Where does Claude play in to the secrecy?
spies8broderick (10:10:08 PM): He found out sometime after Mary I believe
spies8broderick (10:10:21 PM): Got super pissed
spies8jenny (10:10:27 PM): From what I know, the two of them were the last two into that whole group Lucky and Gerty set up.
spies8cinnamyn (10:10:44 PM): i thot kiara wuz last
spies8broderick (10:10:52 PM): Kiara was last?
spies8broderick (10:10:56 PM): *wasn't
spies8stephanie (10:10:56 PM): i think so
spies8cinnamyn (10:11:12 PM): im pritty shure mary/claude were e5, kiara e6
spies8jenny (10:11:14 PM): Let me find it in my logs quick.
spies8cinnamyn (10:11:20 PM): dont no wen owen got a invite
spies8broderick (10:11:33 PM): I thik Owen was from the beginning
viewernotgert (10:11:33 PM): >.<
spies8broderick (10:11:39 PM): *think
spies8cinnamyn (10:11:49 PM): since dat viewer aint gert, can we talk about how much of a tramp she wuz.?
spies8broderick (10:11:54 PM): Did you know before they revealed Jenny?
spies8jenny (10:11:58 PM): Here we go.

According to owen, it went...

Gerty/Lucky, then Owen, then Cory, Then Tini, then Mary Claude and Kitty found out after that, although he lumped those three together.
spies8jenny (10:12:12 PM): I found out about this group after Gerty was imprisoned.
spies8jasmine (10:12:28 PM): Did they assume owen was a citizen then?
spies8stephanie (10:12:30 PM): mary i am sure knew before the zed exile
spies8jasmine (10:12:41 PM): But then chance told me a few days ago that we shouldnt assume that.
spies8jasmine (10:12:42 PM): ..
spies8lawrence (10:12:43 PM): Isn't that when the information got released to the public, Jenny?
spies8broderick (10:12:44 PM): Well you and Chance seemed to have a tight bond. He told you about Awohali claiming like within ten seconds of youlogging on that exile day, so..
spies8lawrence (10:12:50 PM): When Gertrude got Imprisoned?
spies8broderick (10:13:15 PM): Yes, Lawrence
spies8jenny (10:13:16 PM): And Lucky came out and explained their roles, and what came out from it.
spies8cinnamyn (10:13:27 PM): that iz 2 big of a cit group. 8 ppl.?!?!?!
spies8cinnamyn (10:13:32 PM): come on
spies8broderick (10:13:40 PM): lol. I wouldn't label it a 'cit' group
spies8lawrence (10:13:40 PM): Why did you feel the need to clarify when you found out about it?
spies8cinnamyn (10:13:48 PM): 2 dem it wuz a citgroup
spies8jenny (10:13:59 PM): Clarify what?
spies8broderick (10:14:09 PM): Well, they shouldn't of assumed it was. Especially considering the latest imprisonments
spies8jenny (10:14:23 PM): Ricky asked when I found out about the group, I told him after Gerty was imprisoned, like everyone else.
spies8broderick (10:14:31 PM): The more people in on a secret, larger possibility of it not being a secret anymore
spies8lawrence (10:14:32 PM): Above you said, after listing the group, "I found out about it when Gerty was imprisoned."
spies8lawrence (10:14:34 PM): Oh, did he ask?
spies8jenny (10:14:40 PM): Right before my lines, yeah.
spies8lawrence (10:14:42 PM): Sorry
spies8jenny (10:14:47 PM): 23:15] spies8broderick: Did you know before they revealed Jenny?
[23:15] spies8jenny: Here we go.

According to owen, it went...

Gerty/Lucky, then Owen, then Cory, Then Tini, then Mary Claude and Kitty found out after that, although he lumped those three together.
[23:16] spies8jenny: I found out about this group after Gerty was imprisoned.

spies8broderick (10:14:52 PM): Yeah. I asked her if she knew before they revealed
spies8lawrence (10:14:53 PM): I thought it was just a random statement, which would have bugged me
spies8lawrence (10:14:57 PM): My apologies
spies8jenny (10:15:00 PM): No problem.
spies8jenny (10:15:02 PM):
spies8lawrence (10:15:10 PM): Although slightly disappointing
spies8broderick (10:15:16 PM): So Chance didn't tell you any role information before that?
spies8jenny (10:15:20 PM): Nope.
spies8broderick (10:15:23 PM): Why would he run to you about Awohali's
spies8jenny (10:15:28 PM): Which is a shame, I'd have loved to have been a part of that.
spies8broderick (10:15:31 PM): Like sprint for a gold medal he did
spies8lawrence (10:15:41 PM): Because I was going to make a point about you knowing inside information and being overly cautious so as to not let on that you knew
spies8jenny (10:15:44 PM): Because I came into the chat about 5 minutes after votes were due and it was the talk of the town at the time?
spies8lawrence (10:15:55 PM): And then have quite a good point on someone, but alas, I will have to keep looking
spies8broderick (10:16:19 PM): But why not just invite you to the group and say so there?
spies8jenny (10:16:38 PM): You'd have to ask him.
spies8broderick (10:17:10 PM): Why do you two have such a tight bond?
spies8cinnamyn (10:17:20 PM): iz chance still defending jenny.?
spies8lawrence (10:17:27 PM): Well, when a man loves a woman . . .
spies8stephanie (10:17:29 PM): he was last night
spies8jenny (10:17:34 PM): Although if you're talking about Hali's claim, he had just put up his claim a few minutes before exile from what I know, and it looks like people had been looking for me after that happened anyways.
spies8jenny (10:17:47 PM): So I don't see why him telling me about it is so odd.
spies8broderick (10:18:11 PM): I am talking about Awohali's claim. He told you in a private IM like within ten seconds of you logging on.
spies8broderick (10:18:23 PM): I and someone els enoticed and commented on this in the group chat at the time
spies8broderick (10:18:46 PM): You had come into the chat asking about the claim, and we asked/commented how you knew. You and Chance said he told you
spies8jenny (10:19:00 PM): [23:10] spies8chance: you missed a roleclaim.
[23:10] spies8jenny: Of course I did.
[23:10] spies8jenny: WHat'd I miss?
[23:10] spies8chance: awohali claimed with thirteen minutes to go before exile.
[23:10] spies8chance: apparently he had to get 150 conversations in his confessional over the course of the game to win an investigation.

spies8cinnamyn (10:19:38 PM): i think chance iz lukkin' 4 sum1 2 cling 2 dat sharez da same ideaz, and he found jenny
spies8jenny (10:19:47 PM): Then went on to say that it apparently came up with me being a spy, and that he and Spice didn't believe his claim.
spies8broderick (10:19:59 PM): Lawrence didn't either
spies8broderick (10:20:09 PM): Were you and Chance talking in private about the claim, Cinnamyn?
spies8cinnamyn (10:20:17 PM): i can check
spies8cinnamyn (10:21:08 PM): yea he came 2 me
spies8lawrence (10:21:13 PM): It is true, I did not believe it
spies8cinnamyn (10:21:36 PM): he aksed if i wuz reading, i sed yea
spies8cinnamyn (10:21:58 PM): spies8cinnamyn: (10:57:20 PM)yea
spies8cinnamyn: (10:57:23 PM)i am keeping my vote on him
spies8chance: (10:57:33 PM)i am too.
spies8chance: (11:04:35 PM)the problem i have here is that if awohali turns up spy, which i think he will, what does that mean for jenny?


spies8cinnamyn (10:22:08 PM): spies8chance: (11:04:40 PM)this could be a spy trying to clear a spy partner.
spies8cinnamyn: (11:05:07 PM)it meanz nothing 4 jenny
spies8cinnamyn: (11:05:15 PM)wifom

spies8cinnamyn (10:22:18 PM): and den we stopped
spies8broderick (10:22:46 PM): He flipped citizen, and I dont think he has changed his stance at all about it
spies8cinnamyn (10:23:04 PM): who aint changed dey stance about wut.?
spies8jenny (10:23:23 PM): Nah, he got all mopey with me about me "turning up spy" after Hali got exiled, until Kitty came out about him not having that role.
spies8broderick (10:23:27 PM): Chance
spies8stephanie (10:23:47 PM): so kiara's lie changed at least one mind?
spies8cinnamyn (10:24:17 PM): chance iz vulnerable after gert'z imp n e way
spies8cinnamyn (10:24:20 PM): not surprised
spies8broderick (10:24:32 PM): I thought that was a biton the fake side. Like he was soooo adament that Awohali was lying and was a spy. Then Awohali flipped citizen, and he (ChancE) was all 'darn I liked you too Jenny"
spies8broderick (10:25:16 PM): Why aren't you a spy Jenny?
spies8stephanie (10:25:24 PM): lol chance still looks like the biggest spy in the burg to me
spies8cinnamyn (10:25:30 PM): i thot he wuz lying and a spy. but after he flipped cit i knew jenny had 2 die
spies8jenny (10:25:31 PM): [23:41] spies8chance: dammit, jenny. :-(
[23:43] spies8jenny: The only thing I can think of is that he lied about having a role to try to force an exile on me, but I have no idea why on earth he thought that was a good idea.
[23:43] spies8chance: well...
[23:52] spies8jenny: ?
[23:52] spies8chance: egh.
[23:52] spies8chance: i hate it when people i like turn out to be spies, i really do.
[23:53] spies8jenny: Well at least that's not the case here.
spies8broderick (10:27:25 PM): lol. nice rhyme there cinnamny
spies8broderick (10:27:31 PM): *cinnamyn
spies8cinnamyn (10:27:43 PM): aw damm i didnt even mean 2 do dat
spies8cinnamyn (10:27:46 PM): i shud b a poet
spies8broderick (10:28:05 PM): What is that 'well...' about?
spies8jenny (10:29:05 PM): I dunno. He'd started to type up a follow up to that, and then erased it, so I poked him to see if he'd finish what he was saying.
spies8broderick (10:32:08 PM): I think Tina had something with her Mags wagon analysis, but no one seems to comment on it
spies8broderick (10:32:09 PM): lol
spies8broderick (10:33:19 PM): Jennyspy the only busser on Mags, doesn't seem likely
spies8broderick (10:34:03 PM): You prelim take out Chance for the time being, and Jenny. Leaves Mary, Cinnamyn, and Lawrence
spies8cinnamyn (10:34:53 PM): i stand by my vote switch 2 jenny
spies8broderick (10:34:57 PM): Mary hopped from spy to spy.
spies8broderick (10:35:09 PM): Cinnamyn too, if/when Jenny flips spy. lol
spies8broderick (10:35:13 PM): Leap Spy
spies8broderick (10:35:35 PM): Jenny and LAwrence went from spy to cit if Stephanie is cit
spies8broderick (10:36:08 PM): Chance went from spy to Claude's french cousin Cladue
spies8broderick (10:37:05 PM): "Magalie is trying now. Still suspicious for parroting votes." was your reasoning for going from Mags to Jenny, at least partially?
spies8broderick (10:37:09 PM): ^ @ Cinnamyn
spies8cinnamyn (10:37:33 PM): pritty much, yea
spies8cinnamyn (10:37:47 PM): i didnt think da pointz 4 "she wuz detrimental in da challenge" or wutever were legit
spies8broderick (10:39:22 PM): Didn't she lie during that episode?
spies8cinnamyn (10:39:42 PM): probly, lmbo
spies8broderick (10:40:56 PM): Who are the spies Lawrence?
spies8cinnamyn (10:43:01 PM): ok yall im out 4 da nite 2 meet mah grls, see yall l8r
spies8jenny (10:43:10 PM): Night!
spies8stephanie (10:43:10 PM): cya cinn
spies8lawrence (10:43:21 PM): The Spies are, and I can say this with confidence:
spies8broderick (10:44:45 PM): If you say spies from another season or eliminated spies, I'll endorse Hambone to hit you
spies8broderick (10:44:48 PM):
spies8lawrence (10:45:21 PM): Gigi, Julian, Mercedes, Tyson, Allison, Leo, Tenchi, Claire, Bebe, Raphael, Jessica, Zander, Naomi, Angelica, Beverly, Masaki, Emma, Faizah, Angus, Cy, Sophia, Subhi, Donnie, Beatrix, Samantha, Almathea, Jason, Pete, Amelia, Jaya, Iris, Donald, Vladimir, Andreas, Kathie, Cuddles, Lydia, Adrasteia, Perry, Stone, Alexei, Magalie, Isaac, and four others who Sam hasn't confirmed yet.
spies8jenny (10:45:31 PM): Too late.
spies8stephanie (10:45:31 PM): with a chair
spies8broderick (10:45:40 PM): *with a chair
spies8broderick (10:46:05 PM): Who do you think the remaining spies are?
spies8lawrence (10:46:16 PM): Hmm
spies8lawrence (10:46:37 PM): I suspect Dane and Jenny at this point
spies8lawrence (10:46:49 PM): Cinnamyn could be a teammate
spies8lawrence (10:47:04 PM): And the fourth?
spies8lawrence (10:47:13 PM): I'm not sure
spies8lawrence (10:47:27 PM): Claude?
spies8lawrence (10:47:38 PM): Or maybe someone like Jasmine?
spies8lawrence (10:47:50 PM): If I'm guessing based off of scum molds
spies8broderick (10:47:52 PM): transgendered?
spies8jasmine (10:47:58 PM): "someone like jasmine"
spies8jasmine (10:47:59 PM): how rude.
spies8broderick (10:48:05 PM): I thought you didn't like scum molds?
spies8lawrence (10:48:14 PM): I don't like using only scum molds
spies8lawrence (10:48:27 PM): Going from an evidence/individual suspicion standpoint, Jenny and Dane are at the top of my list
spies8lawrence (10:48:42 PM): By someone like Jasmine, I mean a lower-key player
spies8lawrence (10:49:21 PM): Jasmine/Stephanie/Hambone/Kiara
spies8jasmine (10:49:23 PM): My guess: Jenny/Stephanie/Kiara, maybe Owen/Dane/Mary for the last one.
spies8lawrence (10:49:28 PM): Active, but not overly active.
spies8broderick (10:49:36 PM): K
spies8jasmine (10:49:37 PM): Prolly pick mary or dane if i had to for a fourth.
spies8broderick (10:49:48 PM): Does any one here do spy pairings?
spies8jasmine (10:49:54 PM): Whats that?
spies8lawrence (10:50:16 PM): I think Jenny and Dane are possibly connected
spies8jasmine (10:50:40 PM): people connected? i thought stephanie/dane was interesting, if that is wat u mean?
spies8jasmine (10:50:43 PM): like stephanie voted for dane
spies8jasmine (10:50:45 PM): round 1
spies8jasmine (10:50:47 PM): with alexei
spies8broderick (10:50:53 PM): Way to analyze. Interactions and things mostly.
spies8lawrence (10:50:58 PM): Giving Dane 98 votes?
spies8broderick (10:51:00 PM): Who doesn't fit together as a spy pair
spies8lawrence (10:51:08 PM): I don't see what makes him the best cit read in the group
spies8broderick (10:51:08 PM): etcetera
spies8jasmine (10:51:19 PM): yea, i dont remember her ever saying he was either.
spies8jasmine (10:51:25 PM): before that moment.
spies8broderick (10:51:37 PM): I think she has defended him before
spies8jasmine (10:51:43 PM): has she?
spies8broderick (10:51:53 PM): Pretty safe yes, but you can't completely rule it out
spies8broderick (10:52:18 PM): I believe so. At least from what I can recall. When someone in group cha would say he hasn't been here or whatever, she would say she's talked to him numerous times in IM
spies8jenny (10:52:19 PM): I've talked with Owen plenty about Dane in the past. If he ever gets on tonight, he can confirm that.
spies8broderick (10:52:46 PM): BTW. I found your reaction to Dane being nominated pretty interesting. lol
spies8lawrence (10:52:46 PM): Or, to a lesser extent, Jasmine/Broderick (although I've always thought that a good criminal plan would be to stage a fight).
spies8lawrence (10:53:00 PM): I believe you have genuine dislike for each other
spies8jenny (10:53:05 PM): Yeah, for a moment I thought Hammy actually voted him over me.
spies8broderick (10:53:20 PM): meh. I don't dislike Jasmine
spies8jenny (10:53:21 PM): That would have been rather strange.
spies8broderick (10:53:50 PM): Jasmine dislikes me, cus I wont have sex with her.
spies8jasmine (10:54:00 PM): At the moment, I want hambone's cock.
spies8lawrence (10:54:00 PM): Anyways, these old joints need to go back into storage for REM maintenance
spies8lawrence (10:54:13 PM): Good evening, I will see you all hopefully tomorrow
spies8broderick (10:54:17 PM): He wanted yours for a few lol
spies8broderick (10:54:20 PM): Night Lawrence

[Lawrence]

Jenny

spies8jenny (9:06:42 PM): Hi Lawry!
spies8lawrence (9:06:52 PM): Hi Jenny
spies8jenny (9:07:03 PM): How are you?
spies8lawrence (9:07:16 PM): Quite fatigued from the journey to and from the magician's conference
spies8lawrence (9:07:22 PM): But otherwise alright
spies8jenny (9:15:12 PM): So where are you at with the game currently?
spies8lawrence (9:16:24 PM): Saw nominations
spies8lawrence (9:16:28 PM): There is not much to catch up on
spies8jenny (9:16:39 PM): What's your thoughts on it?
spies8lawrence (9:17:16 PM): All four nominees don't look so good, for various reasons
spies8jenny (9:59:51 PM): [23:03] spies8lawrence: Citizen role-based alliances let Spies win


I'd disagree with that actually.
spies8jenny (10:00:10 PM): I've been in those sorts of groups a few times before, and they can also be great assets for the town as well.
spies8lawrence (10:00:17 PM): For the town, yes
spies8lawrence (10:00:20 PM): But not for the Citizens
spies8jenny (10:00:26 PM): ...
spies8jenny (10:00:29 PM): That's what I meant by town.
spies8lawrence (10:00:30 PM): In the format of Spies, they are easy to infiltrate
spies8lawrence (10:00:40 PM): Easier, more so, than an average mafia game
spies8jenny (10:00:47 PM): Define average.
spies8lawrence (10:00:49 PM): Or at least, I would believe
spies8lawrence (10:01:10 PM): Average as in, non-alias
spies8lawrence (10:01:17 PM): Less immersive
spies8jenny (10:01:26 PM): Because I'm talking about games where said group ends up meeing over a voice chat server.
spies8lawrence (10:01:47 PM): Interesting
spies8jenny (10:01:56 PM): Quite fun actually.
spies8lawrence (10:01:56 PM): The mod plays into this to
spies8lawrence (10:02:06 PM): (You should show me where you play mafia after the game.)
spies8jenny (10:02:15 PM): Yeah, the mod had to be given access as well to make sure there was no rule breaking.
spies8lawrence (10:02:23 PM): Er, that is not what I meant
spies8lawrence (10:02:37 PM): I meant, the mod plays into how effective "alliances" are
spies8jenny (10:02:51 PM): Not sure how that works out.
spies8lawrence (10:03:06 PM): Look at the Spies 6 example
spies8lawrence (10:03:28 PM): Jason was given a role, designed to work with a set of interlocking roles, but a criminal alignment
spies8jenny (10:03:36 PM): Ok?
spies8jenny (10:03:52 PM): So they did a bad job of watching out for moles. There will always be that problem, you just have to be smart about it.
spies8jenny (10:04:26 PM): Like say changing the password on said voice server, and claiming that the server went down, and giving everyone else the new password.
spies8lawrence (10:04:40 PM): Heh
spies8jenny (10:07:10 PM): I'm one of those people that will never be willing to play on a site like MafiaScum, because it only allows you to work in the topic.
spies8jenny (10:07:41 PM): No PM's or IM's or any other form of outside communication.
spies8jenny (10:07:44 PM): I'd go crazy.
spies8lawrence (10:08:08 PM): I disagree that it is as limiting as you think, however, without risking alias divulsion, I will not give a better statement than this.
spies8jenny (10:08:35 PM): Yeah, I'm not getting more specific for the same reason.
spies8jenny (10:09:04 PM): Point is, I find being able to discuss things with people individually without the rest of the group staring at them much easier for getting people's actual thoughts on things.