Episode 4 Conversations

[Lawrence]

spies8owen (9:47:09 PM): Hey there Lawrence.
spies8lawrence (9:47:20 PM): Good eveni ng
spies8owen (9:47:35 PM): How's it goin'?
spies8lawrence (9:47:56 PM): Was actually just thinking about going to bed. But otherwise, pretty good.
spies8lawrence (9:48:09 PM): How bout you?
spies8owen (9:48:16 PM): Ahhh, you think you're gonna be here for the exile or no?
spies8owen (9:48:34 PM): I'm actually a bit stressed about this -- I'm still undecided and overslept a nap.
spies8lawrence (9:48:48 PM): Almost certainly not. This cast seems to be a much later cast than I am.
spies8lawrence (9:49:21 PM): I overslept a nap earlier today, too. My phone shut off, so the alarm never rang.
spies8lawrence (9:49:55 PM): I'm actually ok with this one though; Magalie looks like the nominee from the other side, so my final vote is going there.
spies8owen (9:50:21 PM): I'd be having a much easier time if Jenny was the lynch for the Democrats.
spies8lawrence (9:50:45 PM): I haven't managed to read a lot of her case yet. I skimmed it, but didn't go too deep into it.
spies8lawrence (9:51:26 PM): But Mags was rubbing me the wrong way already, and I was second guessing not voting for her last time. I don't want to let another one go by.
spies8owen (9:56:06 PM): She seems extremely ignorant.
spies8lawrence (9:56:13 PM): Magalie you mean?
spies8owen (9:56:16 PM): Mmhmm.
spies8lawrence (9:56:28 PM): Yeah, it was that that really drew my eye to her.
spies8owen (9:56:41 PM): And tell needless lies.
spies8lawrence (9:57:01 PM): Which is just beggign to be exiled, really.
spies8owen (9:57:19 PM): If she were over here, that would make things much easier, too.
spies8owen (9:57:30 PM): Because as of right now, I feel like I'm going to have to vote based on gut.
spies8owen (9:58:30 PM): I was a bit wary of you, but your post last night shows me that you are definitely reading. You caught some good things, like the possible Isaac slip
spies8owen (9:59:14 PM): I had actually caught that in my reading last week and wondered why it wasn't brought up yet. I decided that I would tell a few people I trusted and have it come out if Isaac/Themb ever flipped scum.
spies8lawrence (9:59:35 PM): Hours upon hours. It's ridiculous how much gets posted. You really notice when you're trying to go through it multiple times.
spies8owen (10:00:33 PM): I hear ya. When I read up on you guys a bit, even that took a few hours.
spies8lawrence (10:01:16 PM): Fortunately, my rl job gives me downtime to do that reading.
spies8lawrence (10:03:09 PM): But speaking of rl job, I need to be heading out now, because I need to go in early tomorrow. I'll catch you later.

[Lawrence]

spies8lawrence (8:55:55 PM): Howdy.
spies8lawrence (8:55:59 PM): Sorry to run out on you last time.
spies8zedekiah (8:56:15 PM): Hey Lawrence, pleased t' meet ya
spies8lawrence (8:56:27 PM): How's it going?
spies8zedekiah (8:56:43 PM): I'm good, how are you?
spies8lawrence (8:57:00 PM): Trying to figure out Repub vs Dem choices right now.
spies8lawrence (8:57:24 PM): Spent too much time this episode defending myself and investigating new people that I wasn't able to follow them at all.
spies8zedekiah (8:58:29 PM): yeah, it's tough, did ye get caught up?
spies8lawrence (8:59:30 PM): I think so. The Jenny case is new, but it looks llike Magalie will be nominated.
spies8zedekiah (9:55:37 PM): you still here?
spies8lawrence (9:55:49 PM): Yep. Owen caught me before I could decide to go to bed.
spies8zedekiah (9:56:18 PM): Ok, well if ye don't mind, I'd like t' ask ye some things
spies8lawrence (9:56:32 PM): Shoot.
spies8zedekiah (9:56:59 PM): Do you talk much out o' group chat usualy?
spies8lawrence (9:57:25 PM): To some extent, but certainly not as much as I imagine others do.
spies8zedekiah (9:57:50 PM): do you talk more t' folks you trust, of ones you suspect?
spies8zedekiah (9:57:55 PM): *or
spies8lawrence (9:58:03 PM): As I've said, it doesn't help me figure anything out really.
spies8lawrence (9:58:22 PM): Equal opportunity. It usually comes down to whos online and what questions I have at that moment.
spies8lawrence (9:58:33 PM): The former unfortunately seems to be the limiting factor more often than not.
spies8lawrence (10:03:18 PM): Anything else? I gotta hit the hay.
spies8zedekiah (10:03:27 PM): I guess not, g'night
spies8lawrence (10:03:32 PM): Night.

[Lawrence]

spies8hambone (3:55:26 PM): hi
spies8hambone (3:55:29 PM): nice to meet u
spies8lawrence (3:55:32 PM): Afternoon.
spies8hambone (3:55:37 PM): where u been
spies8lawrence (3:57:28 PM): Had visitors for the holiday.
spies8hambone (3:57:37 PM): santa
spies8lawrence (3:57:53 PM): Nothing that useful, no.
spies8hambone (4:05:07 PM): so who u been lookin at
spies8lawrence (4:07:09 PM): Magalie is still my top suspect. And I think I'm past the whole thinking my emotions are pushing her. At this point, I think my gut is right on her.
spies8lawrence (4:07:37 PM): Otherwise, looking at Chance, Jasmine, Broderick, Tina, and Isaac to various degrees, and have to study up on lots of other people (like all the orig-repubs that I haven't really interacted with)
spies8hambone (4:10:32 PM): like me!
spies8lawrence (4:10:38 PM): Precisely.
spies8hambone (4:11:24 PM): im gonna go for a jog
spies8lawrence (4:11:31 PM): Have fun.
spies8hambone (4:11:55 PM): we gotta talk later
spies8hambone (4:11:56 PM): bye

[Lawrence]

Friday, July 02, 2010
spies8jenny (2:23:41 PM): Hi Lawry!
spies8lawrence (2:24:00 PM): Hey there.
spies8jenny (2:24:07 PM): How are you?
spies8lawrence (2:25:15 PM): Hungry. Just sat down on the couch with some leftovers for lunch, and had some time to log on and see what all got posted since last night.
spies8lawrence (2:26:05 PM): The Owen dictator thing is huge.
spies8jenny (2:26:23 PM): And crazy nuttyness.
spies8lawrence (2:27:34 PM): So, while I have you here--I saw enough of last episode to see that there was a case being pushed on you. While I haven't managed to read it fully yet, would you care to comment before I do?
spies8jenny (2:28:49 PM): What would you like to know in particular?
spies8lawrence (2:29:57 PM): Well, I guess consider this your chance to get a defense in before I manage to read the full case. I don't know what the focus was on; I basically was able to see Mags was going to be the nominee, and focused on my side again.
spies8jenny (2:31:10 PM): I'd rather you read the case, and ask me questions afterwards, because otherwise you're not going to know what I'm refering to.
spies8lawrence (2:31:20 PM): Fair enough.
spies8lawrence (2:43:51 PM): So, I guess the big question is--why did you claim for Allan publicly?
spies8jenny (2:44:34 PM): Because he wasn't there.
spies8jenny (2:44:42 PM): And I had the impression that he was going to be exiled.
spies8jenny (2:45:09 PM): I was hoping he'd come on so he could say something at least, but he didn't arrive until 2 hours until after exile ended.
spies8lawrence (2:45:33 PM): Wasn't he, up to that point, basically non-existant? He'd even 'quit' at one point, right?
spies8lawrence (2:45:42 PM): Or did that come later?
spies8jenny (2:46:22 PM): I'd have to look up the exact date, but he had "quit" a couple days before, much to my annoyance, and had only really come back the day before exile.
spies8jenny (2:47:12 PM): He was around here and there, but apparently he got sick of people always picking on him about not being on when he did come on, and got irritated over that.

Which is fairly dumb to be irritated about I think, but whatever.
spies8lawrence (2:47:29 PM): Yeah, a little bit.
spies8lawrence (2:47:55 PM): He's the one that copies the roles used against him, right?
spies8jenny (2:48:11 PM): Yeah, that's the short version I guess.
spies8lawrence (2:50:18 PM): You believe him then, I guess?
spies8jenny (2:51:17 PM): He claimed it to me two days into the game. Personally I don't see much of a good reason for anyone to claim a fake role like that two days into the game, and less likely for a spy to do something like that.
spies8lawrence (2:51:42 PM): Why would he claim at all though?
spies8jenny (2:51:44 PM): He drives me up a wall sometimes, but I don't think he's a spy.
spies8jenny (2:52:01 PM): He apparently claimed to me because he thought I was a cit, and I wasn't always being mean to him.
spies8lawrence (2:52:22 PM): So, basically, he thought you'd watch his back.
spies8jenny (2:52:40 PM): Not really the way it came across to me.
spies8lawrence (2:53:37 PM): Guess I'll have to check with him on that.
spies8jenny (2:53:45 PM): Sounded more like he just wanted someone to tell it to, and figured I was the best option.
spies8lawrence (2:54:04 PM): That's a little strange in and of itself.
spies8jenny (2:54:57 PM): Not so much really, you'd be surprised how often I've seen that happen.
spies8jenny (2:55:33 PM): Good idea or not, I've seen it happen often enough to know that it's an entierly possible reason.
spies8lawrence (2:55:45 PM): I guess that's true.
Saturday, July 03, 2010
spies8jenny (12:54:29 PM): So how are you?
spies8lawrence (12:54:54 PM): Not too bad. Got a good nights sleep for once.
spies8jenny (1:25:38 PM): So what are you thinking with the game so far?
spies8lawrence (1:26:57 PM): I'm thinking their's some juicy stuff so far in ep4 chat that I'm going to have to pull out. Nita, Brody, Chance all had some "good" things to use. Whether or not there's enough to make a full case, I dunno yet.
spies8jenny (1:27:17 PM): How so?
spies8lawrence (1:28:29 PM): I'm just reading still, haven't started to collate. But the Nita/Brody argument was rife with suspicious moments on both sides. Doubt both are spies, but it's stuff to pull. I'm getting into Chances stuff now, and (note, I'd already suspected him somewhat) I'm just not liking the way this is coming out.
spies8jenny (1:28:59 PM): Anything in particular that stands out?
spies8lawrence (1:29:33 PM): Mainly that he's making the same tired case against Claude.
spies8lawrence (1:30:00 PM): Though, he did make one relatively new point that I thought about, and made sense. So I'm definitely going to have to re-examine that relationship.
spies8jenny (1:30:09 PM): What was that?
spies8lawrence (1:30:51 PM): That despite Claude's insistence that Chance is a spy, he hasn't really put up a full case against him yet. You'd think that he would do so. More than just a paragraph here and there, I mean.
spies8jenny (1:31:48 PM): I don't really know what claude's deal is really.
spies8lawrence (1:31:56 PM): He's got tunnel vision.
spies8lawrence (1:32:16 PM): He switches tunnels on occaasion, but it's always tunnelling.
spies8jenny (1:35:09 PM): That much I've noticed.
spies8lawrence (1:37:34 PM): Did Nita ever say what her 'proof' was that the Repubs weren't paying attention to t he democratic cases?
spies8jenny (1:38:18 PM): I think it had mostly to do with that nobody seemed to be talking about it much in the group logs you guys posted.
spies8lawrence (1:38:49 PM): Not much in the way of proof, but I guess that's what I'd be looking at too.
Tuesday, July 06, 2010
spies8jenny signed on at 4:11:29 PM
spies8jenny (4:15:09 PM): Hi Lawry!
spies8lawrence (4:15:15 PM): Afternoon.
spies8jenny (4:17:10 PM): How are you?
spies8lawrence (4:17:31 PM): Ok. Trying to catch up from two days away.
spies8lawrence (4:20:00 PM): And trying to decide which is the better strategy for nominations--give Owen as much choice as I can, or just go with the person I think is most suspicious. Of course, it may not be mutually exclusive from the looks of things.
spies8jenny (4:20:19 PM): Who are you suspecting for the time being?
spies8lawrence (4:21:23 PM): Magalie is still my top suspect. Followed by Chance, Stephanie and Isaac to lesser degrees; Jasmine, Brody, Tina, and Gertie trying to watch closely.
spies8jenny (4:22:58 PM): Chance doesn't make sense to me as a spy after what happened last night.
spies8lawrence (4:23:06 PM): What happened?
spies8lawrence (4:23:13 PM): I haven't gotten to the log thread yet.
spies8jenny (4:23:36 PM): Well Lucky made a topic on me saying he was suspicious of me because of there being word out that Gabe-Gabe was the doctor and protected Ni-Ni the first night.
spies8lawrence (4:23:49 PM): Ok, yeah, I did see that.
spies8jenny (4:23:54 PM): Soon after that, the truth came out about what happened, and we figured out that there is a spy messenger in the game.
spies8jenny (4:24:13 PM): That was trying to give false information about it, by pretending to be Savanny sending messages from the viewer's lounge.
spies8jenny (4:24:44 PM): It doesn't make sense to me for a spy to post a case based on something they would have known was completely faulty information, and an easy ruse to figure out if ever really looked at.
spies8jenny (4:25:21 PM): Over just bandwagoning about reasons other people kept repeating.
spies8lawrence (4:25:47 PM): Pretending to be Savannah sending messages from viewer's lounge? Now I really have to look at the logs. What does that mean? They were getting PMs?
spies8jenny (4:25:55 PM): No.
spies8jenny (4:25:59 PM): Messages in their confessional.
spies8jenny (4:26:03 PM): Courtesy of a messenger role.
spies8jenny (4:26:15 PM): Savanny was a messenger role, but she's been exiled.
spies8lawrence (4:26:28 PM): Ah, ok. I think I get it now.
spies8jenny (4:26:28 PM): And there is no way Sam would let a role be used after they were exiled.
spies8jenny (4:26:46 PM): Which leaves a spy version. Especially since the last time this sort of role came out, it worked the exact same way with one on both teams.
spies8lawrence (4:27:05 PM): Well, as has been stated multiple times (usually when I call out the balance of a SpyClaude), guessing what Sam would or would not do is a futile matter.
spies8lawrence (4:27:15 PM): But that does make sense.
spies8jenny (4:27:42 PM): In most cases I agree, but unless you want to start telling me that Sammy would allow usage of roles after death, I think we can make an exception here.
spies8lawrence (4:27:59 PM): I can't imagine it would happen, no. Just playing devil's advocate.
spies8jenny (4:28:16 PM): I know, I'm just answering it.

[Lawrence]

spies8lilith (3:52:25 PM): Hello Mr.
spies8lawrence (3:52:31 PM): Good evening.
spies8lilith (3:52:35 PM): I need to leave in 8 minutes, but how would you react if I said I was voting you?
spies8lawrence (3:52:36 PM): Afternoon, whichever.
spies8lawrence (3:53:02 PM): I'd want to know why. I saw Stephanie's vote, but in my biased opinion, I don't think there's any merit to it.
spies8lilith (3:53:25 PM): Who are YOU voting? Or did you already post? lol
spies8lawrence (3:53:38 PM): I have not. I've been even more away the last two days than I thought I would be.
spies8lilith (3:53:38 PM): I only read the vote tallies, not who was voting who.
spies8lawrence (3:53:46 PM): I'm still leaning Magalie, but I want to read over what's been said.
spies8lilith (3:53:54 PM): Most of the people getting votes I am uncomfortable with getting nommed.
spies8lilith (3:55:35 PM): You were the one I was LEAST unsure of, lol. Mostly because I hadn't been able to talk to you one-on-one.
spies8lawrence (3:56:06 PM): Aw, am I that forgettable? We had a fairly decent conversation Ep3.
spies8lilith (3:57:49 PM): Really? LOL. If we did it wasn't enough for me to get a read on you either way, and I oddly don't have a thread for conversations with you.
spies8lilith (3:58:14 PM): Oh wait, I found it, I apologize.
spies8lilith (3:58:25 PM): I edited the title to take out THemba's name and I guess I took out yours.
spies8lawrence (3:58:54 PM): It happens.
spies8lilith (3:59:10 PM): Ahhh, i don't like any of the noms now, lol.
spies8lawrence (4:00:30 PM): Isaac Claude and Jenny still the top three?
spies8lilith (4:00:50 PM): Only by two votes, anyone could change that by two people voting someone else :-P.
spies8lawrence (4:00:57 PM): Right.
spies8lilith (4:01:14 PM): Who do you suspect?
spies8lawrence (4:01:36 PM): The Jenny case (last I saw) was weak at best. Claude I still think role is citizen, but he'll get more suspicious the longer he lasts. Isaac I'd be ok with, but not truly content.
spies8lawrence (4:02:12 PM): Magalie is still my top read as a spy. I just don't like what she's been doing, and it reads scummy to me. I'm still not sure if I'm going emotional with her or not, but I've decided I don't really care.
spies8lilith (4:02:28 PM): What's the case agains't her?
spies8lawrence (4:03:00 PM): Against Mags?
spies8lilith (4:03:15 PM): Yes.
spies8lawrence (4:04:38 PM): Just general behavior. She's been patently unhelpful in multiple occasions; to the point of outright rudeness. More than I'd expect a role-playing to account for. I have a couple of scummy quotes in one of my threads (Ep2, I think). Then, there's the "Shit thread" post with nothing corresponding in any forum I can see--possible confessional, but I think she meant to post in spy forum.
spies8lilith (4:05:42 PM): I have several edited posts in the recent nomination thread :-P.
spies8lawrence (4:06:00 PM): Otherwise, Chance is still suspicious, and I'm closely watching Broderick, Jasmine (but doubt both are spies), Tina. And I need to catch up and do research for the last 2 episodes on others.
spies8lawrence (4:06:12 PM): Yeah, I saw. But an edited post is one thing; an entire thread is another.
spies8lilith (4:06:15 PM): I feel like I am playing devil's advocate with people when they tell me their suspects and it almost looks like I am defending them, but I am just doing it to a lot of people to get them thinking, LOL.
spies8lawrence (4:07:51 PM): I understand completely. I do the same thing.
spies8lawrence (4:09:23 PM): Oh Christ... Gertie. I'd managed to completely forget about her. I'd pinned her as cit originally, but determined to watch her. Ugh.
spies8lilith (4:09:34 PM): What about Rodnak or Cory?
spies8lawrence (4:09:57 PM): Rondak I have no read on one way or the other. I don't even think the two fo us haev ever even been on at the same time.
spies8lawrence (4:10:32 PM): Cory seems mostly cit to me, but it's been a while, and he's (seemed) to get awfully quiet after Claude's attention left him.
spies8lawrence (4:11:25 PM): And Did I mention Stephanie? She's still on my list, but I think I didn't mention her.
spies8lilith (4:11:49 PM): I got to go for now, I'll be on later.
spies8lilith (4:11:56 PM): I think I might just leave my voteo on you, lol.
spies8lawrence (4:12:09 PM): Have a good afternoon.