Episode 9: Conversations that Blow

[Broderick]

spies8claude (00:39:57): If Owen doesn't get imprisoned today
spies8claude (00:40:2): I think it means he's probably a spy
spies8broderick (00:40:29): Why? You wouldn't expect Chance to be imprisoned?
spies8claude (00:40:36): Hmm.
spies8claude (00:40:40): Yeah maybe.
spies8claude (00:40:47): If Owen doesn't get imprisoned in the next 2 days then
spies8broderick (00:40:53): lol.
spies8broderick (00:41:6): Cory brought up a point to me a number of episodes, when Tina was imprisond over him.
spies8broderick (00:41:11): So not too many I guess.
spies8broderick (00:41:32): Owen doesn't make cases, he doesn't push cases, he is more 'lurker' than anything.
spies8broderick (00:41:44): but, now it makes sense I suppose given the heavenandhell crap
spies8claude (00:41:53): I hated all of that
spies8claude (00:41:54): blah
spies8broderick (00:42:10): Makes me want to shank some ones
spies8broderick (00:43:13): I think the moral of this spies8 story, is: dont purpsoefully be scummy if you are a citizen. dont involved yourself with secret role shit if you are a citizen.
spies8broderick (00:43:26): I wonder what the spies HQ looks like right now
spies8claude (00:43:32): Shrug. People work with what they're given.
spies8broderick (00:45:9): obviously didnt work the right way
spies8broderick (00:45:28): but whatever. not going to help with the now, to focus and gripe about that crap
spies8broderick (00:47:4): Who looks the scummiest from Jenny flipping cit?
spies8claude (00:47:18): Hmm.
spies8claude (00:47:26): Awohali
spies8claude (00:47:45): maybe Hambone
spies8broderick (00:49:4): lol. Why hambone?
spies8claude (00:49:28): He was on her case for awhile.
spies8claude (00:49:36): Maybe it was just a smokescreen?
spies8claude (00:49:50): It never seemed like she was particularly in danger of getting lynched honestly.
spies8claude (00:49:56): ooh
spies8claude (00:49:58): Rondak
spies8claude (00:50:2): Because of that vote fog thing
spies8broderick (00:50:26): Huh?
spies8claude is available (01:03:48)
spies8claude (00:50:51): The vote fog being used when it was seems like it was just trying to limit the # of spies available
spies8claude (00:51:17): I don't think Stephanie is a Spy, especially considering that someone ninja voted her to have her be included in that.
spies8claude (00:51:40): And it doesn't make sense that a spy would use the vote fog to limit the candidates that way, unless 2 were spies.
spies8broderick (00:52:6): hmm
spies8claude (00:52:34): Did that make sense?
spies8claude (00:52:43): Like..if the candidate pool is 1 spy, 4 cits.
spies8claude (00:52:53): Then using that ability and limiting it to 1 spy, 2 cits..
spies8claude (00:52:55): seems really unlikely
spies8broderick (00:53:10): but the vote fog thing is a role power, yes. Those usually have to be used before imprisonment
spies8claude (00:53:25): I don't thnik that is the case with that ability
spies8claude (00:53:29): That wuold make it so bad
spies8broderick (00:53:41): I know that the messages could be sent any time
spies8claude (00:53:44): and the timing of Sam revealing when it was used also wouldn't make sense then.
spies8broderick (00:54:17): But why would he reveal before hand?
spies8claude (00:54:46): It seems like, if the ability had to be used during imprisonment, Sam would reveal it immediately afterwards
spies8claude (00:54:58): just like other abilities that are required to be submitted before imprisonment.
spies8broderick (00:55:13): hmm
spies8claude is available (00:58:9)

[Broderick]

spies8broderick (18:57:10): Why don't you join the spies8 room?
spies8rondak (18:57:32): thanks for reminding me
spies8rondak (18:57:38): I was in the middle of something
spies8broderick (18:57:48): Oh. K.
spies8rondak is available (19:04:22)
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spies8rondak (19:06:35): brb
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spies8broderick (22:15:51): You there?
spies8broderick (22:16:20): "Spies have got a nifty private lounge were they can plot together against the citizens?"
spies8broderick (22:16:25): Mind explaining that?
spies8rondak (22:17:11): guess
spies8rondak (22:17:16): it was a guess
spies8broderick (22:17:59): You guessed on what the difference between a spy and a citizen is?
spies8rondak (22:21:49): it was meant to be a sarcastic response
spies8broderick (22:22:18): Then can you please explain your comment that I quoted
spies8rondak (22:22:35): What exactly needs to be explained?
spies8broderick (22:23:4): What do you mean by it?
spies8rondak (22:23:57): My sarcastic response includes something I suppose, I do believe that spies have a private forum where they plot though
spies8broderick (22:24:21): Why dod you think that?
spies8rondak (22:24:26): In that case having a private forum would be a difference between citizens and spies right
spies8broderick (22:24:29): *do
spies8rondak (22:24:37): Well, heaven and hell had a private chatroom
spies8broderick (22:25:14): How would that be a difference between citizens and spies?
spies8rondak (22:25:17): if spies don't have a forum (a topic or space at the spies 8 chat) they may still have a private chatroom
spies8rondak (22:25:52): Because citizens discuss in a PUBLIC forum, while spies discuss in a PRIVATE forum
spies8rondak (22:25:56): sorry for the caps
spies8rondak (22:26:2): it's the only way I could emphasize
spies8rondak (22:26:25): although, it's spec on my part
spies8broderick (22:26:29): Forum as in on the spies.proboards.com website?
spies8broderick (22:26:36): *spies8..
spies8rondak (22:26:38): yes
spies8rondak (22:26:42): I mean
spies8rondak (22:26:47): like a hidden subforum or something
spies8rondak (22:26:55): like the way we have forums for our confessionals
spies8rondak (22:27:12): there could be a hidden 'burg or something like that
spies8rondak (22:27:39): I mean, there's got to be a way for spies to communicate privately with each other other than PM
spies8broderick (22:27:57): Why didn't you ask any game related questions for the inquisition activity?
spies8rondak (22:28:45): I thought we had to be done with it before the exile so I was rushing
spies8broderick (22:28:54): ohh
spies8rondak (22:29:24): and being nominated, didn't want any more penalty votes
spies8broderick (22:30:15): I see.
spies8broderick (22:30:20): Who do you think the spies are?
spies8rondak (22:30:39): I need to re-think that
spies8rondak (22:30:48): I feel like these vote episodes I was fooled
spies8rondak (22:31:3): Didn't you think it was suspicious that everybody suddenly jumped on Awohali?
spies8broderick (22:31:27): The lack of resistance had me rethinking, that and a conversations I had with Jenny last Night.
spies8broderick (22:31:49): What do you mean by fooled?
spies8rondak (22:31:52): who then, attacked Jenny with a false role claim
spies8rondak (22:32:1): which was proven false but everybody chose otherwise
spies8rondak (22:32:12): to believe*
spies8rondak (22:33:1): I think a spy lit the spark on Awohali hen it was obvious that he could attack the other potential spy, Jenny
spies8rondak (22:33:19): it felt like it was a lynching chain
spies8broderick (22:33:56): Why vote for Jenny still, then?
spies8rondak (22:34:8): I just realized about this after she flipped cit
spies8broderick (22:34:16): oh
spies8rondak (22:34:47): and I'm worrying that the players will target Hambone because he was tunneling on Jenny
spies8rondak (22:36:52): going by epic mafia, the mortician is usually mafia...weak argument, but I think it's worht mentioning
spies8rondak (22:36:58): worth*
spies8rondak (22:37:22): now, I'm willing to believe Gertrude and leave Owen, Claude and Chance outside my suspects
spies8broderick (22:38:9): Yeah it is. But the mason is usually different @ EM too.
spies8broderick (22:38:22): Actually, I dont know about mortician. never heard of it
spies8rondak (22:38:36): it's on the epic mafia website
spies8rondak (22:39:42): Now, if my lynching-chain theory is correct, Habone is probably a citizen
spies8broderick (22:40:11): Could you elaborate on your lynching-chain thing?
spies8rondak (22:40:34): I think a spy planned a chain of lynchings
spies8rondak (22:40:44): They saw how Hambone was solely focused on Jennt
spies8rondak (22:40:46): Jenny*
spies8rondak (22:41:4): and that Jenny seemed to be a good scapegoat because many were suspicious of her
spies8rondak (22:41:36): now when it was Awohali vs. Jenny
spies8rondak (22:42:3): someone started a case on him and most of the voters jumped on him
spies8rondak (22:42:23): his last resort was to try to sink Jenny in order to save himself
spies8broderick (22:42:45): hmm
spies8rondak (22:42:52): he tried it with his false role spiel
spies8rondak (22:43:6): which kiara disproved, but...we know what happened tonight
spies8rondak (22:44:13): and I can predict that Hambone's tunneling of a cit will end with him losing his vote
spies8broderick (22:58:27): Probably.
spies8rondak (23:07:21): g2g
spies8rondak (23:07:23): good night
spies8broderick (23:07:28): Night

[Broderick]

spies8lawrence is available (08:06:45)
Tomorrow afternoon and evening I will be performing at a street carnival.
spies8lawrence (08:06:35): Sorry about the accidental chat invite
spies8lawrence (08:06:45): I was attempting to invite myself into spies8 and misclicked
spies8lawrence is available (08:06:49)
Tomorrow afternoon and evening I will be performing at a street carnival.
spies8broderick (08:07:18): its cool
spies8lawrence (08:08:1): So how are you this fine morning?
spies8broderick (08:08:52): Fine. yourself?
spies8lawrence (08:09:25): Quite well. Surprised about Jenny though.
spies8broderick (08:11:46): Yeah. A headache and a half
spies8lawrence (08:13:20): We were too lazy about that episode, and now we have not much new information.
spies8lawrence (08:13:59): Everyone voted for Jenny without much questioning.
spies8broderick (08:16:15): mmhmm
spies8lawrence (08:17:19): I noticed that you are supporting Hambone in the Impeachment process
spies8lawrence (08:17:21): May I ask why?
spies8broderick (08:17:44): Because I think Jasmine is a possible spy
spies8lawrence (08:17:53): And you don't think Hambone is?
spies8broderick (08:17:55): Have thought this since about right before the first exile
spies8broderick (08:18:7): He could be, but I haven't suspected him
spies8lawrence (08:18:27): (I don't have reason to believe that Hambone is a Spy at the moment. I have the same read on Jasmine, but I believe Jasmine to be the better option.)
spies8broderick (08:18:48): Why the better option if you think her a possible spy?
spies8lawrence (08:19:8): Jasmine RE: Isaac
spies8lawrence (08:19:59): Hambone, at least from what I've seen, does not have such a pro-cit point on him as Jasmine taking the initiative towards Isaac.
spies8broderick (08:22:4): Why is it a pro-cit point?
spies8broderick (08:22:27): She claims that no one was looking at Isaac at that time, and her post on him is what brought the focus. Which is incorrect.
spies8broderick (08:22:48): If she thought him so suspicious, why did she not vote for him?
spies8lawrence (08:22:51): How is it incorrect?
spies8lawrence (08:22:58): Ah.
spies8lawrence (08:23:1): She didn't vote for him?
spies8broderick (08:23:27): No. She voted Margot over him that episode. Because she didn't find support for an Isaac vote apparently.
spies8broderick (08:23:49): She didn't vote for him until episode 4 when he was exiled. But that is fogged, so -shrug-
spies8lawrence (08:24:8): Hmm
spies8lawrence (08:24:16): This changes things
spies8broderick (08:24:16): It is incorrect because people had been discussing Isaac, and mainly his lurker tendencies and how he acted in the Claude/Camilla scene
spies8lawrence (08:24:38): Thank you for bringing this to my attention . . . these are the pains of being a replacement.
spies8lawrence (08:26:14): Hambone votes: Alexei, Allan, Jenny, Jenny (?), Gertrude, Rondak, Jenny, Jenny
spies8lawrence (08:27:53): Jasmine votes: Chance, Margot, Themba, Isaac, Jenny, Jenny, self-nom, Jenny
spies8lawrence (08:28:10): They both have one criminal to their credit.
spies8lawrence (08:28:33): Hambone has three Citizens and one unknown.
spies8lawrence (08:28:50): Jasmine has three Citizens and one unknown, not counting the self-nomination.
spies8lawrence (08:29:8): These voting records seem very similar.
spies8broderick (08:31:9): There are too many people who look scummy
spies8broderick (08:35:34): Who or what are you currently thinking?
spies8lawrence (08:36:1): I'm reading over an old mafia game that I forgot about.
spies8lawrence (08:36:19): About Spies?
spies8lawrence (08:36:22): Not sure.
spies8lawrence (08:38:5): I was ready to get Dane after Jenny flipped Spy.
spies8lawrence (08:38:17): But alas, that did not happen.
spies8broderick (08:38:53): mmhmm
spies8lawrence is available (09:06:27)

[Broderick]

spies8hambone (09:13:32): NEED MY VOTE BACK BRODUY
spies8hambone (09:13:34): need it!
spies8broderick (09:13:47): Hey Hambone-r.
spies8broderick (09:13:55): Can't post stuff until later today.
spies8broderick (09:14:0): What was up with you last night?
spies8hambone (09:14:0): why!
spies8hambone (09:14:7): whats up with me last night!?
spies8hambone (09:14:8): what about NOW
spies8broderick (09:14:9): Because posting now doesnt count
spies8hambone (09:14:13): WHAT?
spies8hambone (09:14:15): why nOT?
spies8broderick (09:14:21): Because Sam said so
spies8broderick (09:14:26): I thought you read the thread
spies8hambone (09:14:29):
spies8hambone (09:14:31): WHEN DIA
spies8hambone (09:14:33): DID
spies8hambone (09:14:35): HE SAY THIS
spies8broderick (09:14:55): IN THE THREAD
spies8broderick (09:14:59): And the chat last night
spies8broderick (09:15:13): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=1402
spies8hambone (09:15:34): i wasnt READING THe chat avidly last night cuz i had damned company over
spies8broderick (09:18:16): Whats with your behavior, you seem schizo
spies8hambone (09:18:30): i dont like this one bit
spies8broderick (09:18:39): Like what?
spies8hambone (09:23:12): me having to POST
spies8hambone (09:23:16): to get my vote back
spies8hambone (09:23:19): what is this shit
spies8broderick (09:23:28): I had to do it
spies8hambone (09:24:55): do what
spies8broderick (09:25:17): Post once every minute for three hours to get my vote back
spies8broderick (09:25:19): Shit aint easy
spies8broderick (09:25:45): You would only have to post once every hour, and you can't even do it to count yet
spies8hambone (09:26:35): damn the host has done this before
spies8hambone (09:26:39): thats effed up
spies8hambone (09:26:45): this is stupid i dont even want to do it
spies8broderick (09:27:37): Why are you complaining?

[Broderick]

spies8stephanie (08:18:8): hi chef
spies8broderick (08:18:16): Hey Steph
spies8stephanie (08:18:33): i was looking again at the votes from last night
spies8stephanie (08:18:45): chance voted rondak?
spies8stephanie (08:19:0): and neither jenny nor hambone voted?
spies8broderick (08:19:23): they were in the HoR
spies8stephanie (08:19:35): oh of course
spies8stephanie (08:19:37): duh
spies8stephanie (08:20:5): what was up with chance?
spies8stephanie (08:21:26): he was protecting jenny earlier..so maybe that makes sense
spies8broderick (08:21:52): I dunno.
spies8broderick (08:29:4): We need a spy to be exiled
spies8stephanie (08:29:39): desperately
spies8broderick (08:31:22): mmhmm.
spies8broderick (08:33:56): Who or what are you thinking currently?
spies8broderick (08:34:4): btw. Jasmine posting when it doesn't count is kind of funny
spies8stephanie (08:35:14): i really feel like i am starting from scratch
spies8stephanie (08:36:34): yesterday i was thinking jenny, kiara and 2 of dane, rondak, larry
spies8stephanie (08:36:47): with maybe jasmine, claude, hambone as backups
spies8stephanie (08:37:1): but after flip, kiara is looking better
spies8stephanie (08:37:8): dane is looking better
spies8stephanie (08:38:37): gert's imprisonment still makes it look like a spy was in on her secret
spies8broderick (08:38:37): Why do they look better?
spies8stephanie (08:39:10): kiara i thought was lying about awohali's role, but now it's clear that she wasn't
spies8stephanie (08:39:26): dane i thought was jenny's spy partner
spies8stephanie (08:39:41): but that's not the case
spies8stephanie (08:39:59): they could both still be spies, but part of the case against them has evaporated
spies8broderick (08:41:36): Yeah. I dont think neither are cleared. Kiara didn't even believe her own role usage.
spies8stephanie is available (08:42:44)
spies8broderick (08:43:1): If both or either one are citizens, their actions are getting in the way of a cit-read

spies8stephanie is available (08:43:2)
spies8stephanie (08:43:2): and kiara knew about gert's role
spies8broderick (08:43:33): Did you say anything before 'and kiara knew' and after I said 'yeah. I dont' ?
spies8broderick (08:43:39): Seems my internet dropped
spies8stephanie (08:44:23): (10:42:53 AM) spies8broderick: If both or either one are citizens, their actions are getting in the way of a cit-read

(10:42:54 AM) spies8stephanie: and kiara knew about gert's role

spies8stephanie (08:44:27): is what i saw
spies8broderick (08:44:33): oh ok
spies8stephanie (08:45:30): what do you think about claude?
spies8stephanie (08:46:2): the first time he didn't use his role, he told me that he just forgot
spies8stephanie (08:46:16): i don't have a clue about this time
spies8broderick (08:46:24): I think he is a possible spy. I've never seen him as a total cit, even with his role which isnt necessarily a cit role.
spies8broderick (08:46:56): His behavior is just.. deplorable. I think he actually gave an answer when I asked him last episode towards the beginning.
spies8broderick (08:47:6): Yeah, I asked him if he blocked Jenny.
spies8broderick (08:47:13): He was pretty much like 'why?'
spies8broderick (08:47:24): I dont see why he would simply not answer your question
spies8stephanie (08:48:53): i am still wondering about his role...is there some part of it that we don't know about that has prevented him from using it?
spies8broderick (08:50:5): Maybe. I've questioned whether or not he has told the whole truth the whole time
spies8stephanie (08:54:51): ep 2 he took chance's vote away completely
spies8stephanie (08:55:20): and then he wouldn't let chance vote for him and who else?
spies8stephanie (08:55:48): and then he targeted allan, and then owen
spies8stephanie (08:56:29): nvm -- i was thinking out loud
spies8broderick (09:00:57): There is a list in the 'jazzy suspecting claude' thread
spies8stephanie (09:01:23): i was trying to link it to spies being exiled but that didn't work anyway
spies8stephanie (09:01:28): thanks
spies8stephanie (09:03:50): so who or what are you thinking these days?
spies8broderick (09:05:4): Cinnamyn is probably my number one. After that it gets really muddled. dane/rondak/mary/claude/kiara/lawrence
spies8stephanie (09:06:47): part of the reason i was suspicious of cinn was because she switched off jenny and voted awohali
spies8stephanie (09:06:57): but that doesn't make sense anymore
spies8stephanie (09:07:6): why do you have her number 1?
spies8broderick (09:08:59): Well I think that she votes by popular name. She had hopped off Awohali by exile 6. She then hopped back on him when his name was popular. Her reasoning for getting of getting back on him is the same reason she went off him in the first place. She did similar hop with Jenny I think, though I haven't tracked down specific timeline of her suspecting Jenny.
spies8broderick (09:09:51): Her suspecting me is entirely OMGUS. Which i told her and she admitted to episode 7. last night in the chat she said I don't do anything and that I sit back. I gave her two instances of recently not sitting back, and she seemed to ignore it and change her reasoning.
spies8broderick (09:10:15): She said she suspected me awhile ago but that it dissipated. The only time i've heard that she suspected me was during episode 6, and I called OMGUS on it.
spies8broderick (09:10:55): I think her not responding to my case against her, really could be a null tell since apparently quite a few people did not know it even existed. Which is shame on their part
spies8stephanie (09:14:46): and do you think cinn has changed?
spies8stephanie (09:15:24): i never saw the one who everyone enjoyed talking to the most
spies8broderick (09:15:58): What do you mean changed?
spies8stephanie (09:16:32): it seems like the first couple of ep, cinn was much more active
spies8broderick (09:16:42): oh yeah.
spies8stephanie (09:16:43): but i wasn't in her team then
spies8broderick (09:17:7): She has. I named her a disappointment. Both to Cory episodes ago, and when asked that question for th einquisition
spies8stephanie (09:22:49): and did she go with the vote flow during the first couple of ep?
spies8broderick (09:24:18): She voted Margot/Margot/Mags
spies8stephanie (09:27:59): i've got to go kill some bugs...cya later
spies8broderick (09:28:5): cya
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