Episode 4: Compilation
Jul 5, 2010 19:10:33 GMT -6
Post by Broderick on Jul 5, 2010 19:10:33 GMT -6
I am pasting this here, because I have been working on it for the last four/five hours, and I don't want it to disappear. I really should of thought this waaay long ago.
In a bit over 30 hours from now our nomination votes are due.
Vote tally thread? Suspicion thread? Discussion?
The only time I enjoy diving into a haystack is when there is money inside.
I'm neither afraid to discuss publicly nor am I content with just watching.
Jasmine
Gertrude
Stephanie
spies8stephanie (18:24:42): i thought dane was a spy; i voted for the one i thought was a spy
"So Dane is taking forever to read the dems forum, doesn't know who is on our team, and yet is voting Themba for bringing up the no exile thing for discussion. He immediately went for an easy vote. He admits that he hadn't even talked to Themba. Discussion is a good thing, discussion with your own team is a better thing. I've got to assume that Dane is a spy."
The full conversation can be found Here at the top of the post. Just search for 'Stephanie' or 'Broderick'. For the sake of space, I am omitting the spaces which would signify I omitted an irrelevant bit of chat.
spies8stephanie (10:04:16 PM): my thoughts on zeke and dane
spies8stephanie (10:04:32 PM): were that they were both basically cleard by alex
spies8broderick (10:04:37 PM): A newer player might if they were a spy
spies8broderick (10:04:43 PM): Or if they had read previous seasons
spies8owen (10:04:58 PM): I don't think Zeddy was completely cleared by Alexei.
spies8owen (10:05:02 PM): He never voted for him.
spies8jasmine (10:05:10 PM): This seems to be all start fo teh game, he might have been clueless who was a spy at the point/who was a republican, etc. and he didnt know which chat he was responding to.
spies8stephanie (10:05:14 PM): oh no they are both absolutely on my watch list
spies8owen (10:05:16 PM): When their heads were on the chopping block.
spies8lilith (10:05:25 PM): Ya, why wouldn't Alexie vote for Zed,
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spies8stephanie (10:05:25 PM): but i've put them aside for the time being
spies8stephanie (17:06:1): dane was suspect for me exile 1
spies8stephanie (17:06:16): and i dropped him for the time being because alex sort of cleared him
spies8stephanie (18:25:48): i think the alex flip is what basically cleared zeke and dane in my head
Correct me if I am wrong. But if Alexei's flip 'basically' cleared Zedekiah and Dane in your head and you've dropped them (for now). Then how can they still be on your watch list? Or have you simply dropped them as suspects? It also seems to me like you changed your stance on the both of them being cleared to you, because Owen said he didn't think Zedekiah was completely cleared by Alexei.
spies8stephanie (18:22:54): alex was a spy looking for cit wagons to jump on
spies8stephanie (18:23:5): first he jumped on the zeke wagon
spies8stephanie (18:23:56): alex was basically the one who started the zeke wagon
spies8broderick (18:24:19): If he was a spy, then why didn't you vote for him Stephanie?
spies8stephanie (18:24:42): i thought dane was a spy; i voted for the one i thought was a spy
Alexei was a spy who was looking to jump on citizen wagons, but you didn't think he was a spy so you didn't vote for him. I assume then that this thought is postflip? How did Alexei jump on the Zedekiah wagon if he was the one who basically started the Zedekiah wagon?[/i]
spies8broderick (18:29:12): Why did Zedekiah look suspicious before the HQ comment, and why would it of swayed you to flip
spies8stephanie (18:30:13): zeke looked suspicious from night one
spies8stephanie (18:30:23): our first chat
spies8stephanie (18:30:41): when jenny asked him a question and alex throttled him
spies8stephanie (18:31:31): i am happy to keep explaining republican history, but haven't you two heard all of this before?
spies8broderick (18:31:59): Why did Zedekiah look suspicious before the HQ comment, and why would it of swayed you to flip?
spies8stephanie (18:32:21): in our very first group chat the night after teams
spies8stephanie (18:32:37): jenny asked zeke why he was online but not talking
spies8stephanie (18:33:9): zeke went into the whole song and dance about pizza and video games and he didn't know how to use aim
spies8stephanie (18:33:17): alex started grilling him
spies8stephanie (18:33:26): none of what zeke said made any sense
spies8broderick (18:34:11): But I'm asking why you found him suspicious, your opinion on it.
spies8broderick (18:34:15): Not for factual things
spies8stephanie (18:36:8): and i'm not sure what to tell you chef
spies8stephanie (18:36:15): zeke was suspicious
spies8broderick (18:36:23): Why was he suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:36:24): he got asked a simple question
spies8stephanie (18:36:30): and couldn't answer it
spies8stephanie (18:36:35): he didn't make any sense
spies8broderick (18:36:50): Why is that suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:37:18): you don't think it's suspicious
spies8broderick (18:37:29): Is that the only reason he looked suspicious, because of his not talking at the beginning thing?
spies8broderick (18:37:40): I am asking you why you find it suspicious
spies8stephanie (18:37:43): i think if you are asked a question, and you are a cit, you just answer it
spies8stephanie (18:38:15): you don't start talking about the night before and eating pizza
I find it suspicious that it took multiple questionings for her to give me her opinion on why it was suspicious.
spies8broderick (18:38:56): K. What were the other reasons that he was suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:39:41): am i forgetting some?
spies8stephanie (18:39:58): i can't remember any others, but i was pretty focused on dane
spies8broderick (18:40:34): spies8stephanie (18:27:45): there were a whole bunch of reasons that zeke looked suspicious before the HQ remark
spies8stephanie (18:41:54): and that wasn't a whole bunch yet?
spies8broderick (18:42:17): In my opinion that was one reason, his behavior in the first chat.
spies8broderick (18:42:31): Or would it be two? Not talking then later not answering a question?
spies8broderick (18:42:52): You said a whole bunch. Could you number them, or list them?
spies8stephanie (18:43:6): whatever
spies8broderick (18:43:32): K.
spies8broderick (18:43:45): So why would the HQ remark of swayed you had you been present?
spies8stephanie (18:44:3): i can't get to spies8 now?
spies8stephanie (18:44:5): sry
spies8broderick (18:44:22): huh?
I think this speaks for itself. She said there were a 'whole bunch' of reasons that Zedekiah looked suspicious, yet I do not believe that she told 'a whole bunch'. Two at most. Her 'I can't get to spies8 now?' comment struck me as odd, and I still do not understand it. It seemed to, and still does - that she meant she could not access the spies8 board to help her answer.
lol. I think I am beginning to take up too much space in this, so read that chat. My entire goal of asking her these questions was to see what she had thought, why she found things suspicious. I don't believe she understood why the HQ comment was deemed suspicious, I believe she was hopping onto a popular thought.
spies8stephanie (18:49:15): i have said a few times that if i had been around on father's day, i first would have switched to alex
spies8broderick (18:49:48): I can't recall you saying that, at least not presently
spies8stephanie (18:49:50): one of the reasons i couldn't find it in my heart to vote for him was because he agreed with me about dane
She first would of switched to Alexei, then would of switched to Zedekiah. I was under the impression that you did not think Alexei was a spy. So why would you of switched to him?
spies8broderick (18:55:58): For the record. I think Stephanie is a bandwagoner, and is most likely not scum hunting.
spies8stephanie (18:56:54): lol, but you could do with some more history lessons
spies8stephanie (18:57:27): cause my vote for dane, my susp of rondak, def not a bandwagon
Is this an indirect admission that everything else you had done was bandwagony?
spies8lilith (19:04:26): So who is a spy? XD
spies8stephanie (19:04:41): my vote is on larry
What were your reasons for having your vote on Lawrence? I looked in the following chat I could not find where you discussed why your vote was on Lawrence. You asked other people what their opinion of Lawrence was, but never offered to explain why. You even disappeared from the conversation after making that statement.
spies8stephanie (21:06:23): easy target? i would disagree with that assessment
spies8stephanie (21:08:46): well, larry didn't seem to be a target on dem side; you and isaac and jas all came in her suspecting and sniping each other and mostly ignoring him
spies8stephanie (21:09:21): an easy target would have been to go with one of your suspicions
Were your two statements after you said you disagreed with me saying Lawrence was an easy lynch target.
spies8broderick (21:17:35): well, larry didn't seem to be a target on dem side; you and isaac and jas all came in her suspecting and sniping each other and mostly ignoring him
spies8stephanie (21:17:59): huh?
spies8broderick (21:18:16): I would assume that is your reason as to why you don't think he is an easy target?
spies8lilith (21:18:18): People are ignoring me? So I am not paranoid!
spies8broderick (21:18:30): Or just 'an easy target would have been to go with one of your suspicions' ?
spies8stephanie (21:18:46): huh?
Notice that you huh'd me both times when I was asking for clarification on what your reasons for disagreeing with me. Maybe it was confusing because I didn't include your name in the quotation?
spies8broderick (21:21:47): I quoted the two parts where you could of given reasons as to why you disagreed, you said huh
spies8broderick (21:21:54): so I asked it straight out
spies8stephanie (21:26:1): brod you can disagree with my reasons that's fine, but why do i have to keep repeating them
spies8broderick (21:26:12): You have not repeated the reasons Stephanie
spies8stephanie (21:26:24): no, and i'm not going to
A clear lie. We have covered this situation, I just find the entire thing suspicious. To state that you had repeated something - when you had not - and then to admit that you had not. Then you left the chat altogether three minutes later.
What exactly are/were your reasons for voting for Lawrence? You supplied a chat quote, and?
(8:38:58 PM) spies8stephanie: i was just grilling larry
(8:39:12 PM) spies8stephanie: about why he said he'd vote you if he had to vote last night
(8:40:38 PM) spies8stephanie: he just said the case was posting in the dem burg and tina was pressuring him to vote last night
(8:41:48 PM) spies8stephanie: so larry, i guess when you said that jas was most suspicious...you really meant that isaac was most suspicious?
(8:42:35 PM) spies8stephanie: or do you vote someone other than your most suspicious?
(8:43:38 PM) spies8lawrence: I meant I had more information pointing to Jasmine. But you can't always vote solely on what the information is; some may be wrong or misread.
Why did you exlude this part? Or did it not fit into your 'suspicions' of Lawrence, when you failed to explain?
These I would like clarification on:
spies8kiara (21:55:20): i like steph, i do, but a lot of things she says are downright goofy. for example after the first challenge round she was saying to me that she was suspious of jas but she did well in the challenge so she wasnt as much anymore. i tell her theres no real reason for a spy to sabatoge because someone is gonna win, so doing well doesnt mean much. she then tells me that she said that exact same thing to gabe earlier. um, what?
Did you say both of these things Stephanie? That you found Jasmine suspicious, but less so because she did well in the challenge? But earlier had told Gabriel that there wasn't really a reason for a spy to sabotage the challenge?
If so. How are these not contradictory thoughts/statements?
spies8broderick (18:32:0): Stephanie, did you and Tina talk about Lawrence being ignored on the Democrats side?
spies8stephanie (18:32:33): probably, although i don't remember the exact conversation
spies8stephanie (18:32:41): let me look
spies8stephanie (18:36:1): brod, i looked through my private chats with tina and don't see it, but i could have talked to her in here about it
Who had the original thought that Lawrence was being ignored on the Democrats side? Yours or Tina's?
Lilith:
Monday June 29th -
spies8lilith (20:06:36): Stephanie and Jasmine I keep changing my mind on, but I think it's odd the way Jasmine agreed with me on pushing Zed the other day. I was pushing to see his reaction, and afterwards, felt more unsure. She was pushing and seemed unphased by anything he was responding. I almost feel like she was leading me down the wrong path and encouraging me. She kept repeating "OMG does anyone else love Lilith" and I outright said each time u say that i think u r a spy, half jokingly, half thinking she is tryin to get me on her good side, but then she stays completey quiet after I say that... BUT... I don't want and have not told anyone but you that I am wary of Jasmine. I want to let her keep thinking we are buddy-buddy. Let her guard down so I can further examine how she acts. If she gives her own opinions or just keeps encouraging what I think of. So I would appreciate it if you didn't tell anyone I suspect her, YET.
Thursday July 1st [3.5 hours before Exile] -
spies8lilith (16:34:32): I kept getting both good vibes and bad vibes from both of those girls. My gut really tells me Steph is a citizen though, despite her moves that make her look like a spy. Jasmine has done some odd things, but I don't think a spy would do some of the things she's done. Themba, on the other hand, I don't feel like she is being sincere in her accusations.
spies8lilith (16:38:18): Her accusation on Jasmine seems odd to me. If I were suspscious of Jasmine (which I have been) there are other things I would have pointed out about Jasmine's comments
spies8broderick (20:36:8): Why did you approach Jasmine and tell her the votes were close?
spies8broderick (20:36:14): Did you push her to change her vote?
spies8lilith (20:36:17): Because I don't think she is mafia.
[1.25 hours after Exile started]
spies8lilith (21:13:22): I agree with Jasmine (although I think you might be a spy now, LOL)
What happened after 3.5 hours prior to Exile that made you think Jasmine was a citizen? I assume that you changed your mind on her more than half anhour before hand, since you apparently sent her PMs and IMs. Why the change? Then why the change back to suspecting her?
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] BITCH GET ONLINE
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] I DONT WANT YOU OUT
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] lol
(10:33:12 PM): [Offline IM sent 20m ago] In case you do get online at the last minute. Quick summary: I'm damn sure Isaac and Themba are spies. Change your vote to Themba if you can. The votes are going to be between you and her it looks like.
(10:33:23 PM): YAY!
Regardless of what timezone this is in, it is at least 27 minutes before Exile starts.
I think a lot of her theories are from a galaxy farfar farfar away. While they can inject a sense of freshness into conversations and ways of thinking, I think the majority of the times in which she presents these are in the middle of a irrelevant conversation - and prove to be distracting.
spies8lilith (18:06:16): And you LOL after you type up your reasons on Jasmine
spies8lilith (18:06:22): You don't lol after you type up stuff about Themba
spies8lilith (18:06:58): Your LOL insinuates you KNOW your reason for voting Jasmine are silly and not really scum-based
spies8broderick (18:07:37): I think you are reading too much into the power of an 'lol'
spies8lilith (18:07:57): I wasn't basing it off the "LOL", just something extra I just realized.
If you weren't basing it off of the LOL, then why even mention it, and use it as an argument point?
Why do you say lol when you attribute something suspicious towards them? I've seen a couple via the transcripts, would have to look further to see how much you do it.
spies8lilith (17:21:59): "Yes, but a spy can say that too" ... that kind of comment gives me spy-vibes Jasmine, lol.
spies8lilith (21:13:22): I agree with Jasmine (although I think you might be a spy now, LOL)
spies8lilith (18:09:48): Isaac
spies8lilith (18:09:54): Why don't you just say right now why you suspect Jasmine
spies8lilith (18:09:59): And why you suspect Themba.
spies8lilith (18:10:3): And why you are voting Jasmine over Themba
spies8isaac (18:10:58): We just talked about this lilith. And in fact I'm just finishing up my vote threat vote right now so if you wait two more minutes you can read it yourself
spies8lilith (18:11:16): I want you to say it in here, so we can actively engage with you about it.
spies8lilith (18:11:49): A town shouldn'y mind repeating themselves, because they are sincere about it. Mafia have more to worry about repeating themselves, because they are lying and can get caught easier.
spies8broderick (18:12:24): And you think Stephanie is a citizen Lilith?
spies8lilith (18:12:31): Yes
spies8broderick (18:12:49): Even though she refused to 'repeat herself' last night
spies8lilith (18:12:52): I feel her actions are that of a mafia, but I feel the way she explains her suscpions that she is sincere.
spies8lilith (18:12:58): I didn't read the last night thing.
spies8broderick (18:13:15): There is a thread which touched upon it
spies8lilith (18:13:22): I am focused on getting atleast a little read off of everybody, because I don't want to let people go off unnoticed.
spies8lilith (18:13:40): And the people that do spyke my interest I want to get to know more, to see if my read intensifies or changes.
spies8lilith (18:14:35): My initial read on Steph is that she is leaning towards town, as are you Brod, that's why I am focusing on learning more about the people that DO spike my interest.
spies8broderick (18:15:6): I was just curious because you just said "A town shouldn'y mind repeating themselves, because they are sincere about it. Mafia have more to worry about repeating themselves, because they are lying and can get caught easier."
spies8lilith (18:15:10): I do, however, intend to come back to people that I am less sure about (Owen, Brod, Steph) and get a better read on them, but for now I am confident in them not being spies and others being more likely candidates.
spies8broderick (18:15:13): She flat out refused to 'repeat' herself last night
spies8lilith (18:15:58): Was it something game-related?
spies8broderick (18:16:51): Yes
spies8broderick (18:17:7): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gop&action=display&thread=697
spies8broderick (18:17:14): The 'condensed' version
spies8lilith (18:19:13): What's being omitted?
spies8broderick (18:20:47): the full log is posted in the log thread
I know it is a rather larger chat excerpt, however it is from the spies8Republicans room, so perfectly legal. I find your avoidance of actually answering the question to be suspicious. You stated that town shouldn't mind repeating themselves, and seemed to use it as a point against Isaac. Stephanie's refusal to 'repeat' herself should of struck you has much more scummy. Mafia can not be sincere?
spies8stephanie (18:22:19): is brod still going on about me not repeating myself
spies8lilith (18:22:42): I brought it up the topic of repeating oneself in a different context, but yes
I find this a sign of hopping behavior. Considering that it had only just been brought up, there is no way that can be considered as 'still going on about'. Also considering that you had just learned about it. I think you are agreeing with Stephanie merely to agree.
Is your secondary look upon Stephanie a read of scum?
Tuesday June 29th:
spies8lilith (19:59:58): Can I bring up a random theory that I thought of? (I know most things I say are off topic because I can't really discuss most of the things yall talk about being a replacement, lol, but if there is a good time to but in and present an idea let me know ^_^ -- it has to do with why Gabe died).
spies8lilith (20:01:37): Well, looking back, someone was saved (before a team switch). And the doctor would most likely save someone on their team (makes sense to save someone u know of rather than someone at random). So Gabe dying signals to me that A) the mafia attempted to kill an original republican and B) they would know a doctor is an original republican and in order to get rid of him so they can take out whoever they want without worry they would kill a republican they think might be a doctor.
spies8lilith (20:02:30): I couldn't really think of why Gabe would be killed, cuz all he talked to me about the day before was his suscpions on Savaanah. And if I was mafia and I knew which side doctor was on, I'd keep killing people from that side to try to murder the doctor or who I thought was the doctor.
spies8lilith (20:02:45): Just an idea I had .
spies8lilith (20:03:5): Although thinking about it - killing doctor isn't really a huge priority, unless, there's someone you really want to kill that u know the doctor saved.
Wednesday June 30th:
spies8lilith (19:17:52): Actuall
spies8lilith (19:17:53): I think
spies8lilith (19:17:57): we should give immunities
spies8lilith (19:18:5): to former republicans
pies8lilith (19:18:15): I mean
spies8lilith (19:18:20): former aka current republicans
spies8lilith (19:18:25): aka not any ex-democrats
spies8lilith (19:19:26): I think they'll keep trying to kill original republicans,
spies8broderick (19:19:42): Why do you think that Lilith?
spies8lilith (19:20:7): I really am hesitant about explaining this... but I'll do it anyways.
spies8lilith (19:20:26): Errrrr.
spies8lilith (19:20:47): I actually would like to talk to Tina first before I explain it. Sorry.
spies8lilith (19:20:56): I am being confusing, I know, lol.
spies8lilith (19:21:9): I just feel it'd be best if immunities went to original republican.
spies8lilith (19:21:30): Actually, I'm going to explain it, Tina is going to get mad at me, but here we go.
spies8lilith (19:22:16): First kill, dr. saved correctly. Mafia may therefore be able to predict which side Dr. is on. Next kill they choose Gabe (an original republican). I think the first saved target was a republcian, mafia now knows that dr is on the original republicans, and will continue to try to pick off the doctor.
spies8lilith (19:22:45): That's the only reason I could see Gabe being killed from what I heard, that he may be the Doctor.
I do not get this entire thing. The excerpt from the 30th shows that you are hesitant about discussing something, that you need to speak with Tina first. Why mention it at all if you were unwilling to discuss it? Why would you need permission from Tina?
Considering that you brought it up the day before without hesitation. I find it suspect. I assume you wouldn't want to of brought it up because it would get people thinking about who the Doctor was, yet you brought it up anyways? how is that citizen move?
Tina
Allan
Chance
Claude
Dane
Isaac
Jenny
Kiara
Lawrence
Magalie
Zedekiah
Awohali
Cinnamyn
Cory
Hambone
Mary
Owen
Rondak
In a bit over 30 hours from now our nomination votes are due.
Vote tally thread? Suspicion thread? Discussion?
The only time I enjoy diving into a haystack is when there is money inside.
I'm neither afraid to discuss publicly nor am I content with just watching.
Actively Suspicious of:
Jasmine
Gertrude
Stephanie
spies8stephanie (18:24:42): i thought dane was a spy; i voted for the one i thought was a spy
"So Dane is taking forever to read the dems forum, doesn't know who is on our team, and yet is voting Themba for bringing up the no exile thing for discussion. He immediately went for an easy vote. He admits that he hadn't even talked to Themba. Discussion is a good thing, discussion with your own team is a better thing. I've got to assume that Dane is a spy."
The full conversation can be found Here at the top of the post. Just search for 'Stephanie' or 'Broderick'. For the sake of space, I am omitting the spaces which would signify I omitted an irrelevant bit of chat.
spies8stephanie (10:04:16 PM): my thoughts on zeke and dane
spies8stephanie (10:04:32 PM): were that they were both basically cleard by alex
spies8broderick (10:04:37 PM): A newer player might if they were a spy
spies8broderick (10:04:43 PM): Or if they had read previous seasons
spies8owen (10:04:58 PM): I don't think Zeddy was completely cleared by Alexei.
spies8owen (10:05:02 PM): He never voted for him.
spies8jasmine (10:05:10 PM): This seems to be all start fo teh game, he might have been clueless who was a spy at the point/who was a republican, etc. and he didnt know which chat he was responding to.
spies8stephanie (10:05:14 PM): oh no they are both absolutely on my watch list
spies8owen (10:05:16 PM): When their heads were on the chopping block.
spies8lilith (10:05:25 PM): Ya, why wouldn't Alexie vote for Zed,
.spies8stephanie (10:05:25 PM): but i've put them aside for the time being
spies8stephanie (17:06:1): dane was suspect for me exile 1
spies8stephanie (17:06:16): and i dropped him for the time being because alex sort of cleared him
spies8stephanie (18:25:48): i think the alex flip is what basically cleared zeke and dane in my head
Correct me if I am wrong. But if Alexei's flip 'basically' cleared Zedekiah and Dane in your head and you've dropped them (for now). Then how can they still be on your watch list? Or have you simply dropped them as suspects? It also seems to me like you changed your stance on the both of them being cleared to you, because Owen said he didn't think Zedekiah was completely cleared by Alexei.
spies8stephanie (18:22:54): alex was a spy looking for cit wagons to jump on
spies8stephanie (18:23:5): first he jumped on the zeke wagon
spies8stephanie (18:23:56): alex was basically the one who started the zeke wagon
spies8broderick (18:24:19): If he was a spy, then why didn't you vote for him Stephanie?
spies8stephanie (18:24:42): i thought dane was a spy; i voted for the one i thought was a spy
Alexei was a spy who was looking to jump on citizen wagons, but you didn't think he was a spy so you didn't vote for him. I assume then that this thought is postflip? How did Alexei jump on the Zedekiah wagon if he was the one who basically started the Zedekiah wagon?[/i]
spies8broderick (18:29:12): Why did Zedekiah look suspicious before the HQ comment, and why would it of swayed you to flip
spies8stephanie (18:30:13): zeke looked suspicious from night one
spies8stephanie (18:30:23): our first chat
spies8stephanie (18:30:41): when jenny asked him a question and alex throttled him
spies8stephanie (18:31:31): i am happy to keep explaining republican history, but haven't you two heard all of this before?
spies8broderick (18:31:59): Why did Zedekiah look suspicious before the HQ comment, and why would it of swayed you to flip?
spies8stephanie (18:32:21): in our very first group chat the night after teams
spies8stephanie (18:32:37): jenny asked zeke why he was online but not talking
spies8stephanie (18:33:9): zeke went into the whole song and dance about pizza and video games and he didn't know how to use aim
spies8stephanie (18:33:17): alex started grilling him
spies8stephanie (18:33:26): none of what zeke said made any sense
spies8broderick (18:34:11): But I'm asking why you found him suspicious, your opinion on it.
spies8broderick (18:34:15): Not for factual things
spies8stephanie (18:36:8): and i'm not sure what to tell you chef
spies8stephanie (18:36:15): zeke was suspicious
spies8broderick (18:36:23): Why was he suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:36:24): he got asked a simple question
spies8stephanie (18:36:30): and couldn't answer it
spies8stephanie (18:36:35): he didn't make any sense
spies8broderick (18:36:50): Why is that suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:37:18): you don't think it's suspicious
spies8broderick (18:37:29): Is that the only reason he looked suspicious, because of his not talking at the beginning thing?
spies8broderick (18:37:40): I am asking you why you find it suspicious
spies8stephanie (18:37:43): i think if you are asked a question, and you are a cit, you just answer it
spies8stephanie (18:38:15): you don't start talking about the night before and eating pizza
I find it suspicious that it took multiple questionings for her to give me her opinion on why it was suspicious.
spies8broderick (18:38:56): K. What were the other reasons that he was suspicious?
spies8stephanie (18:39:41): am i forgetting some?
spies8stephanie (18:39:58): i can't remember any others, but i was pretty focused on dane
spies8broderick (18:40:34): spies8stephanie (18:27:45): there were a whole bunch of reasons that zeke looked suspicious before the HQ remark
spies8stephanie (18:41:54): and that wasn't a whole bunch yet?
spies8broderick (18:42:17): In my opinion that was one reason, his behavior in the first chat.
spies8broderick (18:42:31): Or would it be two? Not talking then later not answering a question?
spies8broderick (18:42:52): You said a whole bunch. Could you number them, or list them?
spies8stephanie (18:43:6): whatever
spies8broderick (18:43:32): K.
spies8broderick (18:43:45): So why would the HQ remark of swayed you had you been present?
spies8stephanie (18:44:3): i can't get to spies8 now?
spies8stephanie (18:44:5): sry
spies8broderick (18:44:22): huh?
I think this speaks for itself. She said there were a 'whole bunch' of reasons that Zedekiah looked suspicious, yet I do not believe that she told 'a whole bunch'. Two at most. Her 'I can't get to spies8 now?' comment struck me as odd, and I still do not understand it. It seemed to, and still does - that she meant she could not access the spies8 board to help her answer.
lol. I think I am beginning to take up too much space in this, so read that chat. My entire goal of asking her these questions was to see what she had thought, why she found things suspicious. I don't believe she understood why the HQ comment was deemed suspicious, I believe she was hopping onto a popular thought.
spies8stephanie (18:49:15): i have said a few times that if i had been around on father's day, i first would have switched to alex
spies8broderick (18:49:48): I can't recall you saying that, at least not presently
spies8stephanie (18:49:50): one of the reasons i couldn't find it in my heart to vote for him was because he agreed with me about dane
She first would of switched to Alexei, then would of switched to Zedekiah. I was under the impression that you did not think Alexei was a spy. So why would you of switched to him?
spies8broderick (18:55:58): For the record. I think Stephanie is a bandwagoner, and is most likely not scum hunting.
spies8stephanie (18:56:54): lol, but you could do with some more history lessons
spies8stephanie (18:57:27): cause my vote for dane, my susp of rondak, def not a bandwagon
Is this an indirect admission that everything else you had done was bandwagony?
spies8lilith (19:04:26): So who is a spy? XD
spies8stephanie (19:04:41): my vote is on larry
What were your reasons for having your vote on Lawrence? I looked in the following chat I could not find where you discussed why your vote was on Lawrence. You asked other people what their opinion of Lawrence was, but never offered to explain why. You even disappeared from the conversation after making that statement.
spies8stephanie (21:06:23): easy target? i would disagree with that assessment
spies8stephanie (21:08:46): well, larry didn't seem to be a target on dem side; you and isaac and jas all came in her suspecting and sniping each other and mostly ignoring him
spies8stephanie (21:09:21): an easy target would have been to go with one of your suspicions
Were your two statements after you said you disagreed with me saying Lawrence was an easy lynch target.
spies8broderick (21:17:35): well, larry didn't seem to be a target on dem side; you and isaac and jas all came in her suspecting and sniping each other and mostly ignoring him
spies8stephanie (21:17:59): huh?
spies8broderick (21:18:16): I would assume that is your reason as to why you don't think he is an easy target?
spies8lilith (21:18:18): People are ignoring me? So I am not paranoid!
spies8broderick (21:18:30): Or just 'an easy target would have been to go with one of your suspicions' ?
spies8stephanie (21:18:46): huh?
Notice that you huh'd me both times when I was asking for clarification on what your reasons for disagreeing with me. Maybe it was confusing because I didn't include your name in the quotation?
spies8broderick (21:21:47): I quoted the two parts where you could of given reasons as to why you disagreed, you said huh
spies8broderick (21:21:54): so I asked it straight out
spies8stephanie (21:26:1): brod you can disagree with my reasons that's fine, but why do i have to keep repeating them
spies8broderick (21:26:12): You have not repeated the reasons Stephanie
spies8stephanie (21:26:24): no, and i'm not going to
A clear lie. We have covered this situation, I just find the entire thing suspicious. To state that you had repeated something - when you had not - and then to admit that you had not. Then you left the chat altogether three minutes later.
Voting Lawrence (I still refuse to bold).
(8:25:57 PM) spies8stephanie: so i am all confused on your suspects
(8:26:23 PM) spies8stephanie: you told me yesterday that brod was spy on "gut"
(8:26:40 PM) spies8stephanie: and you were most susp. of jas
(8:26:48 PM) spies8stephanie: and investigating isaac?
(8:26:51 PM) spies8lawrence: Yeah, the entire "case" against him is posted in the dem side.
(8:27:12 PM) spies8lawrence: Pretty much, yeah.
(8:27:19 PM) spies8stephanie: but you told tina that you would vote isaac or themba?
(8:27:47 PM) spies8stephanie: having a hard time with most susp. of jas and voting isaac
(8:28:34 PM) spies8stephanie: or themba, have you talked with themba?
(8:29:39 PM) spies8lawrence: Well, it was the "choose now" aspect of her question. I had not managed to do any studying into anyone but Jas, and despite susicions, I didn't have much concrete on her. So I would have had to take a leap of faith in tht situation.
(8:31:20 PM) spies8lawrence: And no, I have not yet talked with Themba. I do most of my hunting by studying logs and posts dur to the fact that I feel I get more reliable tells that way. I do intend to talkj with her though.
(8:25:57 PM) spies8stephanie: so i am all confused on your suspects
(8:26:23 PM) spies8stephanie: you told me yesterday that brod was spy on "gut"
(8:26:40 PM) spies8stephanie: and you were most susp. of jas
(8:26:48 PM) spies8stephanie: and investigating isaac?
(8:26:51 PM) spies8lawrence: Yeah, the entire "case" against him is posted in the dem side.
(8:27:12 PM) spies8lawrence: Pretty much, yeah.
(8:27:19 PM) spies8stephanie: but you told tina that you would vote isaac or themba?
(8:27:47 PM) spies8stephanie: having a hard time with most susp. of jas and voting isaac
(8:28:34 PM) spies8stephanie: or themba, have you talked with themba?
(8:29:39 PM) spies8lawrence: Well, it was the "choose now" aspect of her question. I had not managed to do any studying into anyone but Jas, and despite susicions, I didn't have much concrete on her. So I would have had to take a leap of faith in tht situation.
(8:31:20 PM) spies8lawrence: And no, I have not yet talked with Themba. I do most of my hunting by studying logs and posts dur to the fact that I feel I get more reliable tells that way. I do intend to talkj with her though.
What exactly are/were your reasons for voting for Lawrence? You supplied a chat quote, and?
(8:38:58 PM) spies8stephanie: i was just grilling larry
(8:39:12 PM) spies8stephanie: about why he said he'd vote you if he had to vote last night
(8:40:38 PM) spies8stephanie: he just said the case was posting in the dem burg and tina was pressuring him to vote last night
(8:41:48 PM) spies8stephanie: so larry, i guess when you said that jas was most suspicious...you really meant that isaac was most suspicious?
(8:42:35 PM) spies8stephanie: or do you vote someone other than your most suspicious?
(8:43:38 PM) spies8lawrence: I meant I had more information pointing to Jasmine. But you can't always vote solely on what the information is; some may be wrong or misread.
Why did you exlude this part? Or did it not fit into your 'suspicions' of Lawrence, when you failed to explain?
These I would like clarification on:
spies8kiara (21:55:20): i like steph, i do, but a lot of things she says are downright goofy. for example after the first challenge round she was saying to me that she was suspious of jas but she did well in the challenge so she wasnt as much anymore. i tell her theres no real reason for a spy to sabatoge because someone is gonna win, so doing well doesnt mean much. she then tells me that she said that exact same thing to gabe earlier. um, what?
Did you say both of these things Stephanie? That you found Jasmine suspicious, but less so because she did well in the challenge? But earlier had told Gabriel that there wasn't really a reason for a spy to sabotage the challenge?
If so. How are these not contradictory thoughts/statements?
spies8broderick (18:32:0): Stephanie, did you and Tina talk about Lawrence being ignored on the Democrats side?
spies8stephanie (18:32:33): probably, although i don't remember the exact conversation
spies8stephanie (18:32:41): let me look
spies8stephanie (18:36:1): brod, i looked through my private chats with tina and don't see it, but i could have talked to her in here about it
Who had the original thought that Lawrence was being ignored on the Democrats side? Yours or Tina's?
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Actively Keep My eye on:
Lilith:
Monday June 29th -
spies8lilith (20:06:36): Stephanie and Jasmine I keep changing my mind on, but I think it's odd the way Jasmine agreed with me on pushing Zed the other day. I was pushing to see his reaction, and afterwards, felt more unsure. She was pushing and seemed unphased by anything he was responding. I almost feel like she was leading me down the wrong path and encouraging me. She kept repeating "OMG does anyone else love Lilith" and I outright said each time u say that i think u r a spy, half jokingly, half thinking she is tryin to get me on her good side, but then she stays completey quiet after I say that... BUT... I don't want and have not told anyone but you that I am wary of Jasmine. I want to let her keep thinking we are buddy-buddy. Let her guard down so I can further examine how she acts. If she gives her own opinions or just keeps encouraging what I think of. So I would appreciate it if you didn't tell anyone I suspect her, YET.
Thursday July 1st [3.5 hours before Exile] -
spies8lilith (16:34:32): I kept getting both good vibes and bad vibes from both of those girls. My gut really tells me Steph is a citizen though, despite her moves that make her look like a spy. Jasmine has done some odd things, but I don't think a spy would do some of the things she's done. Themba, on the other hand, I don't feel like she is being sincere in her accusations.
spies8lilith (16:38:18): Her accusation on Jasmine seems odd to me. If I were suspscious of Jasmine (which I have been) there are other things I would have pointed out about Jasmine's comments
spies8broderick (20:36:8): Why did you approach Jasmine and tell her the votes were close?
spies8broderick (20:36:14): Did you push her to change her vote?
spies8lilith (20:36:17): Because I don't think she is mafia.
[1.25 hours after Exile started]
spies8lilith (21:13:22): I agree with Jasmine (although I think you might be a spy now, LOL)
What happened after 3.5 hours prior to Exile that made you think Jasmine was a citizen? I assume that you changed your mind on her more than half anhour before hand, since you apparently sent her PMs and IMs. Why the change? Then why the change back to suspecting her?
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] BITCH GET ONLINE
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] I DONT WANT YOU OUT
(10:33:10 PM): [Offline IM sent 21m ago] lol
(10:33:12 PM): [Offline IM sent 20m ago] In case you do get online at the last minute. Quick summary: I'm damn sure Isaac and Themba are spies. Change your vote to Themba if you can. The votes are going to be between you and her it looks like.
(10:33:23 PM): YAY!
Regardless of what timezone this is in, it is at least 27 minutes before Exile starts.
I think a lot of her theories are from a galaxy farfar farfar away. While they can inject a sense of freshness into conversations and ways of thinking, I think the majority of the times in which she presents these are in the middle of a irrelevant conversation - and prove to be distracting.
spies8lilith (18:06:16): And you LOL after you type up your reasons on Jasmine
spies8lilith (18:06:22): You don't lol after you type up stuff about Themba
spies8lilith (18:06:58): Your LOL insinuates you KNOW your reason for voting Jasmine are silly and not really scum-based
spies8broderick (18:07:37): I think you are reading too much into the power of an 'lol'
spies8lilith (18:07:57): I wasn't basing it off the "LOL", just something extra I just realized.
If you weren't basing it off of the LOL, then why even mention it, and use it as an argument point?
Why do you say lol when you attribute something suspicious towards them? I've seen a couple via the transcripts, would have to look further to see how much you do it.
spies8lilith (17:21:59): "Yes, but a spy can say that too" ... that kind of comment gives me spy-vibes Jasmine, lol.
spies8lilith (21:13:22): I agree with Jasmine (although I think you might be a spy now, LOL)
spies8lilith (18:09:48): Isaac
spies8lilith (18:09:54): Why don't you just say right now why you suspect Jasmine
spies8lilith (18:09:59): And why you suspect Themba.
spies8lilith (18:10:3): And why you are voting Jasmine over Themba
spies8isaac (18:10:58): We just talked about this lilith. And in fact I'm just finishing up my vote threat vote right now so if you wait two more minutes you can read it yourself
spies8lilith (18:11:16): I want you to say it in here, so we can actively engage with you about it.
spies8lilith (18:11:49): A town shouldn'y mind repeating themselves, because they are sincere about it. Mafia have more to worry about repeating themselves, because they are lying and can get caught easier.
spies8broderick (18:12:24): And you think Stephanie is a citizen Lilith?
spies8lilith (18:12:31): Yes
spies8broderick (18:12:49): Even though she refused to 'repeat herself' last night
spies8lilith (18:12:52): I feel her actions are that of a mafia, but I feel the way she explains her suscpions that she is sincere.
spies8lilith (18:12:58): I didn't read the last night thing.
spies8broderick (18:13:15): There is a thread which touched upon it
spies8lilith (18:13:22): I am focused on getting atleast a little read off of everybody, because I don't want to let people go off unnoticed.
spies8lilith (18:13:40): And the people that do spyke my interest I want to get to know more, to see if my read intensifies or changes.
spies8lilith (18:14:35): My initial read on Steph is that she is leaning towards town, as are you Brod, that's why I am focusing on learning more about the people that DO spike my interest.
spies8broderick (18:15:6): I was just curious because you just said "A town shouldn'y mind repeating themselves, because they are sincere about it. Mafia have more to worry about repeating themselves, because they are lying and can get caught easier."
spies8lilith (18:15:10): I do, however, intend to come back to people that I am less sure about (Owen, Brod, Steph) and get a better read on them, but for now I am confident in them not being spies and others being more likely candidates.
spies8broderick (18:15:13): She flat out refused to 'repeat' herself last night
spies8lilith (18:15:58): Was it something game-related?
spies8broderick (18:16:51): Yes
spies8broderick (18:17:7): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=gop&action=display&thread=697
spies8broderick (18:17:14): The 'condensed' version
spies8lilith (18:19:13): What's being omitted?
spies8broderick (18:20:47): the full log is posted in the log thread
I know it is a rather larger chat excerpt, however it is from the spies8Republicans room, so perfectly legal. I find your avoidance of actually answering the question to be suspicious. You stated that town shouldn't mind repeating themselves, and seemed to use it as a point against Isaac. Stephanie's refusal to 'repeat' herself should of struck you has much more scummy. Mafia can not be sincere?
spies8stephanie (18:22:19): is brod still going on about me not repeating myself
spies8lilith (18:22:42): I brought it up the topic of repeating oneself in a different context, but yes
I find this a sign of hopping behavior. Considering that it had only just been brought up, there is no way that can be considered as 'still going on about'. Also considering that you had just learned about it. I think you are agreeing with Stephanie merely to agree.
Is your secondary look upon Stephanie a read of scum?
Tuesday June 29th:
spies8lilith (19:59:58): Can I bring up a random theory that I thought of? (I know most things I say are off topic because I can't really discuss most of the things yall talk about being a replacement, lol, but if there is a good time to but in and present an idea let me know ^_^ -- it has to do with why Gabe died).
spies8lilith (20:01:37): Well, looking back, someone was saved (before a team switch). And the doctor would most likely save someone on their team (makes sense to save someone u know of rather than someone at random). So Gabe dying signals to me that A) the mafia attempted to kill an original republican and B) they would know a doctor is an original republican and in order to get rid of him so they can take out whoever they want without worry they would kill a republican they think might be a doctor.
spies8lilith (20:02:30): I couldn't really think of why Gabe would be killed, cuz all he talked to me about the day before was his suscpions on Savaanah. And if I was mafia and I knew which side doctor was on, I'd keep killing people from that side to try to murder the doctor or who I thought was the doctor.
spies8lilith (20:02:45): Just an idea I had .
spies8lilith (20:03:5): Although thinking about it - killing doctor isn't really a huge priority, unless, there's someone you really want to kill that u know the doctor saved.
Wednesday June 30th:
spies8lilith (19:17:52): Actuall
spies8lilith (19:17:53): I think
spies8lilith (19:17:57): we should give immunities
spies8lilith (19:18:5): to former republicans
pies8lilith (19:18:15): I mean
spies8lilith (19:18:20): former aka current republicans
spies8lilith (19:18:25): aka not any ex-democrats
spies8lilith (19:19:26): I think they'll keep trying to kill original republicans,
spies8broderick (19:19:42): Why do you think that Lilith?
spies8lilith (19:20:7): I really am hesitant about explaining this... but I'll do it anyways.
spies8lilith (19:20:26): Errrrr.
spies8lilith (19:20:47): I actually would like to talk to Tina first before I explain it. Sorry.
spies8lilith (19:20:56): I am being confusing, I know, lol.
spies8lilith (19:21:9): I just feel it'd be best if immunities went to original republican.
spies8lilith (19:21:30): Actually, I'm going to explain it, Tina is going to get mad at me, but here we go.
spies8lilith (19:22:16): First kill, dr. saved correctly. Mafia may therefore be able to predict which side Dr. is on. Next kill they choose Gabe (an original republican). I think the first saved target was a republcian, mafia now knows that dr is on the original republicans, and will continue to try to pick off the doctor.
spies8lilith (19:22:45): That's the only reason I could see Gabe being killed from what I heard, that he may be the Doctor.
I do not get this entire thing. The excerpt from the 30th shows that you are hesitant about discussing something, that you need to speak with Tina first. Why mention it at all if you were unwilling to discuss it? Why would you need permission from Tina?
Considering that you brought it up the day before without hesitation. I find it suspect. I assume you wouldn't want to of brought it up because it would get people thinking about who the Doctor was, yet you brought it up anyways? how is that citizen move?
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Tina
Trying to keep my eye on/ Have hit my Radar:
Allan
Chance
Claude
Dane
Isaac
Jenny
Kiara
Lawrence
Magalie
Zedekiah
Haven't hit my Radar:
Awohali
Cinnamyn
Cory
Hambone
Mary
Owen
Rondak