Friday, July 16, 2010 11:40:03
[11:40] spies8owen: Hey Jenny.
[11:41] spies8jenny: Hi Owen!
[11:42] spies8owen: How did you enjoy the break? Did you actually... BREAK?
[11:42] spies8jenny: Um.... Maybe?
[11:42] spies8jenny: Not really?
[11:42] spies8jenny: No.
[11:43] spies8jenny:
[11:44] spies8jenny: Got to see new Rondie last night.
[11:45] spies8owen: To my surprise, I actually took a... BREAK.
[11:45] spies8owen: How was new Ronnie?
[11:46] spies8jenny: He's nice
Spent most of the time catching up.
[11:47] spies8owen: It should be much easier to get a read on the new Rondak if he's experienced.
[11:47] spies8owen: Like my new avatar?
i30.tinypic.com/312dxxx.png[11:48] spies8owen: I think everyone should wear them in support.
[11:48] spies8jenny:
[11:49] spies8jenny: But yeah, I mostly spent my time talking with him helping him get in character, and answering questions about what's been going on.
[11:49] spies8owen: I had planned on doing a bunch of reading over the break (game stuff) but instead, I made that avatar. I'm so productive.
[11:49] spies8owen: If he knows how to *nod* he should be fine.
[11:50] spies8jenny: Just showed him an opening night chat, and another conversation where we just talked, so he could get an idea.
[11:50] spies8owen: Did Ronnie leave a lot of stuff for him or no? Guessing most likely not.
[11:53] spies8jenny: I didn't get a chance to ask him, although he apparently had something, since he was reading the confessional.
[11:53] spies8jenny: Might just be the chats though, I dunno.
[11:53] spies8owen: Ahh. Apparently Rondak didn't post many of our conversations since we did a lot of character fluff talks.
[11:54] spies8owen: And there he is.
[11:54] spies8owen:
[12:05] spies8owen: He's probably overwhelmed.
[12:05] spies8owen: Oh, there you go. A response.
[12:13] spies8owen: Oh my. I thought that was the assumption piggy for a second.
[12:13] spies8jenny:
[12:13] spies8jenny: I'd shoot the assumption piggy, and eat it as bacon.
[12:13] spies8owen: Broderick would yell at it.
[12:14] spies8owen: And put words in it's mouth.
[12:14] spies8owen: "OBJECT"
[12:14] spies8jenny: Nom nom bacon.
[12:15] spies8owen: I'd like to just nom Brod. No extra noms.
[12:15] spies8owen:
[12:15] spies8jenny:
[12:16] spies8owen: If he's scum, he's playing the ultimate non-bus game.
[12:16] spies8jenny: So in other words, if it's Trey, he's lashing out for not being able to bus due to some want to stop his addiction.
[12:16] spies8owen: And things like:
(1:30:28 AM) spies8broderick: Spies will bus each other. A lot more common than people seem to think.
(1:59:38 AM) spies8broderick: I disagree. Bussing is not rare, and it happens more often than people think it does.
Have me worried that that's exactly what he's doing.
[12:17] spies8owen: That was right after Isaac.
[12:17] spies8owen: And his whole "in poor taste" comments.
[12:17] spies8jenny: Well hey, if you want to accuse him as Trey just in case.
[12:17] spies8jenny: Feel free.
[12:17] spies8owen: Hahahaha.
[12:18] spies8owen: Trey is a lot smarter than this.
[12:18] spies8owen: Brod seems so tragically wrong to me.
[12:18] spies8owen: Or scummy.
[12:18] spies8jenny: You never know, fighting addictions can be painful.
[12:18] spies8owen: I don't think he'd be able to fight it.
[12:18] spies8owen: Ever.
[12:19] spies8owen: What your thoughts on Kiara?
[12:19] spies8jenny: Oh hey, put up a picture of mountain dew, see what everyone's reaction is.
[12:19] spies8owen: What are*
[12:19] spies8owen: Hahaha, that mofo.
[12:19] spies8jenny: You ever see who framed roger rabbit?
[12:19] spies8owen: If he's scum, I'd love to catch him so badly.
[12:19] spies8owen: A long time ago.
[12:20] spies8jenny: That scene with the shave and a haircut bit to get him out of the wall?
[12:20] spies8jenny: Because no cartoon can resist doing that bit or something?
[12:20] spies8jenny: Something like that and mountain dew methinks.
[12:20] spies8owen: Don't recall, but the mofo cannot resist his Dew.
[12:20] spies8owen: So this is very true.
[12:21] spies8jenny: Anyways, Kitty.
[12:21] spies8jenny: I'm not really sure on her, mostly since she's always away when I try to talk to her.
[12:22] spies8owen: I just realized that we had spoken once since then, but before that, I had thought our last conversation was this:
(12:03:33 AM) spies8kiara: i just want it on record that if you end up being a spy i will hate you when this is all over lol!
[12:23] spies8owen: I've been thinking that if she trusted me more as a cit, we'd talk more.
[12:23] spies8owen: She had to trust me a little to give me the power.
[12:24] spies8owen: Only one conversation since that small bit. Basically me freaking out about the decision.
[12:25] spies8owen: Otherwise, she pushed Themba from the second she got in the game. Her and Steph. Now it's Claude and Allan, apparently.
[12:25] spies8owen: Seems like a slight fixation on roleholders.
[12:27] spies8owen: I don't understand how the Claude pushers are still going after him hard after Isaac flipped. Just look at the exile 1 vote. All Camilla would have had to do was vote Claude and he could have easily gone. Bussing a spy roleholder as a spy in a close vote? EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Big fat EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Saturday, July 17, 2010 18:48:59
[18:48] spies8jenny: Hey Owen!
[19:02] spies8jenny: Good luck!
[19:11] spies8jenny: Yeah that about figures.
[19:15] spies8owen: Upsetting.
[19:15] spies8owen: Figured it was her or I though.
[19:15] spies8owen: Did you see how Apollo messed with me?
[19:15] spies8owen: He paused the safe thing so long.
[19:15] spies8owen: ANNOYING.
[19:15] spies8jenny: With extending it on you you mean?
[19:15] spies8jenny: Yeah, but I figured you were safe as soon as it was up.
[19:15] spies8owen: The other safes popped up after a second or two.
[19:15] spies8jenny: They hadn't even found the dog yet.
[19:17] spies8jenny: So now we got 4 people in the senate.
[19:17] spies8jenny: 5 once the picture thing is done.
[19:18] spies8owen: And I trust... only one of them! Great.
[19:18] spies8jenny: That's lovely.
[19:18] spies8owen: Cory, of course.
[19:18] spies8jenny: I figured.
[19:19] spies8jenny: 19 people left now.
[19:19] spies8jenny: 15 cits, and 4 spies.
[19:20] spies8jenny: we have a minimum of 6 episodes to find more spies.
[19:20] spies8jenny: maximum I mean.
[19:21] spies8jenny: Let me try that sentance again, we got 6 episodes of getting it wrong before we're screwed.
[19:21] spies8jenny: Could be in a worse position, but no getting lazy.
[19:34] spies8owen: Claude used his role on me.
[19:34] spies8owen: >_>
[19:35] spies8owen: I can only vote for 3 people.
[19:49] spies8jenny: oh for pete sake
[19:49] spies8jenny: who are you restricted to besides Lucky?
[19:50] spies8owen: Kiara and Zed.
[19:50] spies8jenny: Could be worse at least.
[19:52] spies8owen: Yep -- but this is what I worry about with Claude.
[19:52] spies8owen: He's targetting the wrong people with his role.
[19:52] spies8owen: I think he's town, but I think he's being an idiot
[19:52] spies8jenny: You "think?"
[20:01] spies8jenny: Holy crackers.
[20:02] spies8owen: You, for one, know that I contributed on Alexei.
[20:14] spies8jenny: Tempted to put on an accusation vote for claude just to make sure he's not yuri.
[20:23] spies8owen: He still hasn't named like 7 other spies.
[20:23] spies8owen: So probably nt.
[20:23] spies8owen: not*
[20:23] spies8owen:
[20:24] spies8owen: I really do think this is all about Chance.
[20:24] spies8owen: And how I won't just roll over and believe he's a spy because he thinks so.
[20:45] spies8jenny: Well on the bright side.
[20:45] spies8jenny: Maybe his crazy rantings will keep you from getting imprisoned.
[20:46] spies8owen: Yep, that's the bright side. Though, I think most notice that his thoughts on it are contradictory to other thoughts he has.
[20:46] spies8owen: Like that Cory's vote against Isaac based on gut looks good.
[20:47] spies8owen: But mine Episode 3 doesn't.
[20:47] spies8jenny: Still trying to decide if he's a spy, or just a moron.
[20:47] spies8owen: The Isaac vote against him makes me have a hard time believing he's a spy.
[20:48] spies8jenny: Yeah, but it'd help if he wasn't doing really dumb things.
[20:49] spies8owen: He's reckless. I was hoping by telling him that he should focus on others that would help, but instead he's focused on me now too. Silly Claude.
[20:49] spies8owen: At least Julia tunneled on some others before she went to Buth.
[20:50] spies8jenny: I still say if you replaced the names Claude and Chance with Yuri and Kieno, you wouldn't notice the difference.
[21:28] spies8jenny: So what are your thoughts on stuff?
[21:33] spies8owen: I was looking at Dane/Brod/Kiara. Considering now I can only vote 1 of those, I guess it'd be wise to focus on Kiara at the moment.
[21:33] spies8jenny: Dane?
[21:33] spies8owen: Yep.
[21:33] spies8owen: My theory now is that we have WIFOM spies.
[21:33] spies8owen: Look at Magalie getting her vote back.
[21:33] spies8jenny: Oh I see what you're saying now.
[21:33] spies8owen: Now look at Dane's PUBLIC bribe.
[21:33] spies8jenny: I thought you were saying your vote was between those three.
[21:33] spies8owen: Ahhh.
[21:35] spies8jenny: Ok anyways, what about them?
[21:37] spies8owen: Brod: Twisting words/creating too much pressure - great mislynching tools. Subtly has tried to discredit me without trying to make himself look bad (criticizing my Mary choice, taking cheap shots at the senate, etc). Most of his top suspects are people that I'm pretty sure are town.
[21:37] spies8owen: And also, if he's a spy, he's playing the non-bus game
[21:37] spies8owen: (1:30:28 AM) spies8broderick: Spies will bus each other. A lot more common than people seem to think.
(1:59:38 AM) spies8broderick: I disagree. Bussing is not rare, and it happens more often than people think it does.
[21:37] spies8owen: And after Magalie's flip.
[21:37] spies8owen: [23:01] spies8broderick: She probably messed up, then didn't know how to get herself out of it. So her spypals most likely turned on her as a sacrifice
[21:39] spies8owen: Dane: AIM avoidance. Fighting when he comes on. WIFOM/Bribe theory. IMO, has kinda fallen back a bit since being "cleared" by Alexei.
[21:41] spies8owen: Kiara: Talked to her once since giving me the power (if I trusted someone with a power that big, I'd be talking to them more as a cit). One of the last conversations I had with her seemed so disingenious. "You better not a spy or I'll hate you after this LOL!" or something along those lines. She's fixated on voting for roleholders (Claude, Allan).
[21:41] spies8owen: And that's about it.
[21:41] spies8owen: Opinions?
[21:43] spies8jenny: Dane I've found has been more agreeable when I talk with him in private. I was kind of talking about it with someone earlier actually, when someone brought up how him and Ricky both get in fights a lot.
Ricky gets into fights a lot mainly from coming off as arrogant or haughty, while Dane seems to get into his fights by disagreeing with someone about a point and blitzing them on it.
[21:47] spies8owen: I'd agree to that, for sure. Minus the talking in private thing. Wouldn't know.
[21:47] spies8owen: All he's ever done in private with me is bitch about Mary.
[21:48] spies8jenny: Try talking with him first, see what happens.
[21:48] spies8owen: Fair enough.
[21:48] spies8owen: Thoughts on the other stuff?
[21:48] spies8jenny: I do agree with you about this game being in love with princess bride.
[21:49] spies8owen: WIFOM HATEEEEE.
[21:49] spies8owen: WIFOM is bad, people. BAD.
[21:49] spies8owen: Ignore it.
[21:49] spies8jenny: Not to mention pointless.
[21:49] spies8jenny: Only time it really even happens is when it's called bussing.
[21:50] spies8jenny: Every other time it's come up in strategizing, I can almost guarentee it's "they'll pass it off as" rather then actual wifom.
[21:50] spies8owen: Like Magalie getting her vote back.
[21:50] spies8owen: Does make me wonder if there's other spies on there.
[21:51] spies8owen: Hoping that Magalie would stick around and they would soon dictate the vote.
[21:51] spies8jenny: I said it to Hammy earlier, but there is no way they could have expected Maggie to sway anybody as far as votes go.
[21:52] spies8jenny: And there has to be at least one other person in their team they could have passed off as wifom that would be able to have more influence.
[21:52] spies8owen: I'm thinking Ronnie may have been up there as a mislynch option. I know I was heavily considering him at the time.
[21:52] spies8owen: Until I reread conversations with him and realized he asked me the question about if the spies had their own forum and such.
[21:53] spies8owen: And I was the one that informed him how it worked.
[21:53] spies8owen: And that in past seasons spies could talk on AIM.
[21:53] spies8jenny: Yeah I think I helped explain the HQ thing to him as well when it came up with Zeddy.
[22:03] spies8jenny: You know, something just occured to me talking with Spice.
[22:04] spies8jenny: She brought up Gerty's immunity, and I realized we at least know now that the power can be reused on people.
[22:10] spies8jenny: Something to keep in mind.
[22:10] spies8jenny: Wonder if there's another limitation on it.
[22:25] spies8jenny: Still awake?
[22:28] spies8owen: OOC: My mom's hard-drive failed and I'm trying to explain it to her/calm her down. She does all of her work on the computer, so yeah.
[22:28] spies8owen: And I get back to a lovely message from Broderdick.
[22:28] spies8jenny: Ouch.
[22:28] spies8jenny: On both.
[22:28] spies8owen: (10:07:49 PM) spies8broderick: For someone who is never around, you sure do have a lot of judgement to pass. ;-)
[22:28] spies8owen: Never around? Heh.
[22:28] spies8owen: Tell that to my 400 post confessional. Don't know how I'm having convos when I'm not around.
[22:29] spies8owen: Can't stand that guy.
[22:29] spies8jenny: Don't really blame you there. Still have to try talking with him sometimes though. Twits or not, you never know what information people will have.
[22:34] spies8jenny: So on another note
[22:34] spies8jenny: what did you think of the critiques?
[22:35] spies8owen: Some of them were good critiques. Some felt like spies possibly trying to make people look bad anonymously. Not sure exactly which one it was, but it caught my eye first reading it.
[22:35] spies8owen: Think it may have been to Steph
[22:36] spies8jenny: lolwut, honee u ned 2 stopp taken aftr magalie lol dat bich wuz crezy but ur not farr behin. i has a truble telin if ur rely crazy or a spy or wut. 4 now i tink ur ok, but latr, idk. u nead 2 hlp wid da hunt or els ur dey wil cum
That?
[22:37] spies8jenny: Or maybe the one supposedly from Adelaide.
[22:39] spies8owen: Might not have been Steph. Can't find it.
[22:39] spies8owen: Unless I overreacted when I first read it.
[22:39] spies8jenny: Ones like this in general you mean?
[22:39] spies8jenny: Jenny, you're doing a horrible job as a spy. To do better, what you have to do is next time, admit to not helping the third party people. Also, you shouldn't publicly reveal a citizens role when he is not in danger because that will only make you look very bad, and you will get caught very quickly. You should start to make cases on other people and voice your opinions rather than blindly following other people's cases.
[22:39] spies8owen: LOL
[22:39] spies8jenny: I noticed a few like that for a few people.
[22:41] spies8jenny: I know Lucky was complaining to me earlier that all his critiques boiled down to "LOLUSPY"
[22:41] spies8owen: Mine were basically all "you need to talk more."
[22:41] spies8owen: And I'm boring.
[22:41] spies8jenny: Yeah, because that's really what's important. Not being boring.
[22:41] spies8jenny: *sigh*
[22:42] spies8owen: And hell, I don't think I'm boring.
[22:42] spies8owen: If you actually talk to me
[22:42] spies8jenny: In the end, it really doesn't matter.
[22:42] spies8jenny: The only ones that should care about that are viewers.
[22:42] spies8owen: Yep, I'd like for people to enjoy me personally, but not everyone is going to. No need in worrying about it.
[22:43] spies8owen: But still, I'm definitely not boring *coughs*
[22:44] spies8jenny: And meebo ate a message of mine, so I'm going to send the last few again.
[22:44] spies8jenny: 22:42] spies8jenny: In the end, it really doesn't matter.
[22:42] spies8jenny: The only ones that should care about that are viewers.
[22:42] spies8owen: Yep, I'd like for people to enjoy me personally, but not everyone is going to. No need in worrying about it.
[22:43] spies8owen: But still, I'm definitely not boring *coughs*
[22:43] spies8jenny: Frankly, I'd rather more boring people getting the job done, then a game full of people wanting to be the queen bee black woman of the show.
[22:45] spies8owen: Truth. After all, the object of the game is to catch spies.
[22:46] spies8jenny: Was just looking through my own critiques, found one part that I find funny.
[22:47] spies8jenny: I think you need to be a bit more proactive. You've shown you're adept at Mafia and at the very least, a veteran to Spies.
[22:47] spies8jenny: I don't think I've ever claimed to have been in spies before.
[22:47] spies8owen: I think we all assumed by your knowledge of the series that you've played.
[22:47] spies8jenny: I read up.
[22:48] spies8owen: I've played and you knew some stuff that I didn't, so that's why I figured you've played. The Callahan stuff.
[22:48] spies8jenny: Alias's I've found are a pain, not because of keeping your identity secret, but you can't reference any games you've been in as examples. The only thing you really can reference is past spies games. Might as well know what I'm talking about.
[22:49] spies8owen: Yep, there's been people that have read up on spies and have a wealth of knowledge about it their first time around.
[22:49] spies8jenny: Besides, they have really nice summaries to help get the general idea, 5 even has a picture montage.
[22:49] spies8owen: Like Adra.
[22:50] spies8jenny: Callahan I'll admit I didn't see all of, but I know someone there had a sig that read something like "Callahan got accused and just rolled over and died. I'm not going to do the same."
[22:50] spies8jenny: I did see he was the first exiled, plus that statement kind of makes it easy to piece together what happened.
[22:52] spies8jenny: It's one of those things I want to smack claude upside the head for.
Yes what happened in past games don't directly affect the current one, but it's still a good idea to know what's happened before so you can learn from past mistakes.
[22:52] spies8jenny: Like say for example the past two games being won because of a lurker spy in the group, so hey maybe we should be less forgiving of long time lurkers this time around.
[22:53] spies8owen: Pete. *shivers*
[22:53] spies8jenny: There really shouldn't have been much excuse as far as pete went.
[22:53] spies8jenny: And there was no reason Maggie should have been lurking around for a month this game.
Oh look, both were spies.
[22:53] spies8owen: Jason should have bussed him.
[23:01] spies8jenny: Trying to figure out what to do about votes this time around.
[23:03] spies8owen: I think Zed may be worth a look again...
[23:03] spies8owen: I'm actually happy he's on my list.
[23:03] spies8owen: He hasn't really done anything in a few rounds.
[23:03] spies8owen: I didn't even know he was suspect of Magalie.
[23:03] spies8jenny: He was apparently out for several days before her exile
[23:03] spies8jenny: and came back the day of trying to make a vote quick
[23:03] spies8owen: I talked to him before nominations ended.
[23:04] spies8owen: Right as they were ending.
[23:04] spies8owen: Twas the first time I heard anything about Magalie from him.
[23:04] spies8owen: Though we never talk much.
[23:04] spies8jenny: He's not on as much lately.
[23:05] spies8jenny: I have that he came back at 7:30 EST Sunday.
[23:05] spies8jenny: And gave me a vote of Maggie about half an hour later.
[23:05] spies8jenny: Also made a remark about Al.
[23:06] spies8owen: (9:53:49 PM) spies8owen: Did you vote yet?
(9:54:08 PM) spies8zedekiah: no last min thing goin here :-(
(9:55:30 PM) spies8zedekiah: I think mag is the most sus for now, might vote her, but she's probably going up anyhow, what do you think?
[23:07] spies8owen: (9:58:11 PM) spies8zedekiah: that's what I was curius 'bout too, it seems like a probable scum bus t' me
(9:59:02 PM) spies8zedekiah: I was still a bit on the jenny case, but with two votes that won't mean much this round
[23:15] spies8jenny: Yeah he said something similar to me about bussing, said it was rather likely to happen with her.
[23:17] spies8owen: I thought that too though.
[23:17] spies8owen: With the disappearing wagon.
[23:46] spies8jenny: I think that was because Maggie was doing her "LOOK AT ME I'M ACTIVE SEE?" bit, and everyone was willing to give some time for her to actually play.
[23:46] spies8jenny: And then she dropped off the map again.
Really?" and decided to go back on her.