[18:56] spies8gertrude: When you come back, we need to talk.
[18:57] spies8claude: Oh?
[18:57] spies8gertrude: Indeed.
[18:57] spies8gertrude: First of all, I am in labor.
[18:57] spies8gertrude: And you should be supporting me.
[18:58] spies8claude: I gotta take the girls to the pool, do we actually need to talk about something?
[18:58] spies8gertrude: It can be later.
[18:58] spies8gertrude: But yes.
[18:58] spies8gertrude: Actually, later is probably better.
[18:58] spies8gertrude: Go ahead.
[19:01] spies8claude: You sure?
[19:01] spies8gertrude: Yes.
[19:47] spies8claude: So
[19:47] spies8claude: What's up
[19:47] spies8gertrude: Hi.
[19:47] spies8gertrude: We both have our votes back.
[19:47] spies8claude: Oh, was that made official?
[19:47] spies8gertrude: YEs.
[19:47] spies8gertrude: And Stephanie, too.
[19:47] spies8claude: Meh.
[19:47] spies8claude: Oh weird.
[19:47] spies8claude: But cool.
[19:47] spies8claude: Why Stephanie?
[19:47] spies8gertrude: We both won the photo challenge.
[19:48] spies8claude: wow..a tie.
[19:48] spies8gertrude: Mmm.
[19:50] spies8claude: So what did you want to talk to me about anyway
[19:51] spies8gertrude: Welll.
[19:52] spies8claude: Well what
[19:52] spies8gertrude: Let me think for a bit.
[19:57] spies8gertrude: Actually, I need to leave. IRL, I've been asked to go to the store. Please keep the "We need to talk" between us, though.
[19:57] spies8claude: ...
[19:57] spies8claude: So we need to talk..about something important..but you can't say what..and you're worried that I'll tell someone about it all?
[19:57] spies8claude: Not much to say.
[19:58] spies8gertrude: Essentially, yes. Just trust me on this one.
[19:58] spies8claude: Alright..
[19:58] spies8claude: how long will you be?
[19:59] spies8gertrude: I'd say about 25 minutes.
[19:59] spies8claude: Waiting sucks.
[19:59] spies8claude: Okay, have fun at the store.
[20:36] spies8claude: Have fun at the store?
[20:36] spies8gertrude: Of course.
[20:36] spies8gertrude: But in reality, I was just having a lot of contractions and was in too much pain to type.
[20:37] spies8claude: ...
[20:37] spies8claude: So anyway.
[20:37] spies8claude: What did you want to talk about?
[20:37] spies8gertrude: You.
[20:38] spies8gertrude: Me, etc.
[20:38] spies8gertrude: First of all.
[20:38] spies8gertrude: You said to me that if you were to know Chance's alignment, lots of things would change for your gameplay.
[20:38] spies8gertrude: Correct?
[20:39] spies8claude: I said that it would provide alot of information.
[20:39] spies8gertrude: Ok, sure.
[20:39] spies8claude: Not that I would play the game differently.
[20:39] spies8gertrude: Sorry, that's what I maent.
[20:39] spies8gertrude: meant*
[20:40] spies8gertrude: Well.
[20:40] spies8gertrude: Chance is a Citizen.
[20:40] spies8claude: According to what
[20:41] spies8gertrude: According to Sam.
[20:41] spies8gertrude: Chance and I are masons together. We know for sure that each other are Citizens.
[20:41] spies8claude: Really?
[20:41] spies8gertrude: This stays between us.
[20:41] spies8gertrude: Really.
[20:41] spies8gertrude: Owen and Cory know, and Chance and I know about Cory, too.
[20:42] spies8claude: Sigh.
[20:42] spies8gertrude: Sorry to rain on your parade.
[20:42] spies8claude: Seems like you could have picked better timing to tell me.
[20:43] spies8gertrude: Oh?
[20:43] spies8claude: How long have Owen and Cory known?
[20:43] spies8gertrude: A while.
[20:44] spies8gertrude: Let's ask them.
[21:21] spies8gertrude: I understand if this is overwhelming.
[21:21] spies8gertrude: I'm sorry.
[22:02] spies8gertrude: You there?
[22:02] spies8claude: yeah
[22:02] spies8gertrude: Penny for your thoughts.
[22:03] spies8claude: doing something one sec
[22:03] spies8gertrude: Ok.
[22:04] spies8claude: I'm just disappointed with this game right now..alot.
[22:06] spies8gertrude: I'm sorry you feel that way.
[22:10] spies8gertrude: Can you explain your disappointment?
[22:10] spies8claude: I'm disappointed with Chance's role.
[22:10] spies8claude: A townsperson should never, ever have a role that forces them to act like scum.
[22:18] spies8gertrude: To be fair.
[22:18] spies8gertrude: Chance's role doesn't force him to act like scum.
[22:18] spies8claude: Yes, it does.
[22:18] spies8gertrude: In a perfect world, no one would suspect him.
[22:18] spies8claude: He has to receive votes for it to work.
[22:18] spies8gertrude: And I would tunnel on him.
[22:18] spies8gertrude: People would suspect me for tunneling on Chance, and I'd vote for him every time.
[22:19] spies8gertrude: I wouldn't be Imprisoned because I'd be wrong, and I wouldn't be able to be Exiled. Chance wouldn't be Exiled because he'd be a trusted Citizen, and he wouldn't be able to be Imprisoned because I'd be protecting him.
[22:20] spies8claude: So another townsperson has to waste their vote, everyday, for chance's role to work.
[22:20] spies8claude: That is still bad.
[22:20] spies8gertrude: It's a sacrifice I would make to keep other townspeople safe.
[22:21] spies8claude: It's not a sacrifice you should ever have to make.
[22:21] spies8claude: But whatever.
[22:21] spies8gertrude: I would suggest that you try to move on about your personal feelings about the role itself and focus on whether or not you believe that we hold them.
[22:22] spies8claude: I'm really not sure that I do.
[22:22] spies8claude: But it makes a couple of things make sense.
[22:22] spies8gertrude: It's fair that you don't.
[22:22] spies8gertrude: But that's what I'm saying.
[22:23] spies8gertrude: It's better to focus on that part rather than your frustrations with the role itself.
[22:26] spies8gertrude: So, what makes you not believe it?
[22:26] spies8claude: For one thing, it's Chance.
[22:26] spies8claude: I honestly can't find anything pro-town he has done this game, and I've looked.
[22:26] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[22:28] spies8claude: And I really don't like the rolenames, although I do realize that the abilities tied to them make sense in relation to said rolename.
[22:28] spies8claude: Honestly, I'm just busy being disappointed with Sam right now more than anything else.
[22:29] spies8gertrude: Mmm
[22:31] spies8claude: Have we even found out what the official nominations are?
[22:31] spies8gertrude: No.
[22:31] spies8claude: I didn't think so.
[22:31] spies8claude: But weren't they due like 90 mins ago?
[22:33] spies8claude: I gotta be honest. I'm tempted to reveal this information to the public, to force the Spies to kill one of you or Chance.
[22:33] spies8claude: Because they would have to.
[22:33] spies8gertrude: Yes, and that would be a horrible decision.
[22:33] spies8claude: Well, I probably wouldn't have to include your name
[22:33] spies8claude: but shrug
[22:34] spies8gertrude: I'm Chance's biggest defender.
[22:34] spies8claude: Honestly, that's probably Jenny
[22:34] spies8gertrude: It would take like 2 seconds for them to put it together.
[22:34] spies8claude: Which is strange.
[22:35] spies8claude: It's funny.
[22:36] spies8claude: The only thing that really makes me believe you.
[22:36] spies8claude: Is when I said I would bet 20 dollars on Chance being scum, and you said you would take the b et.
[22:36] spies8claude: Even if you are lying, it's unlikely that it would occur to you to make that statement then, just to enforce a lie you were going to tell later.
[22:36] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[22:37] spies8gertrude: Yes.
[22:37] spies8gertrude: Also.
[22:37] spies8gertrude: When Allan was in the chat with you and I, either yesterday or the day before..
[22:37] spies8gertrude: I asked him why he thought the Exile Immune role was town and used on me.
[22:38] spies8gertrude: First of all, I know he thought it was town because he currently thinks whoever has the role alternates between making people Immune from Exile, then Imprisonment.
[22:39] spies8gertrude: But when he said it was used on me because the Citizen trusts me, you asked "but why use it on someone who wouldn't be exiled"
[22:39] spies8gertrude: and I answered, "Well, maybe they just don't want me to get votes."
[22:42] spies8claude: heh
[22:42] spies8gertrude: There's actually been several hints.
[22:43] spies8gertrude: spies8gertrude (01:39:37): Our little baby is going to be so angelic. Too bad you won't ever be able to see him/her/it.
[22:45] spies8gertrude:
img14.imageshack.us/img14/7403/majwhipangel.png[22:45] spies8gertrude: Also, Sam is announcing the Nominees.
[22:46] spies8gertrude: Kiara, Zedekiah, Lawrence, and Chance.
[22:48] spies8gertrude: Additionally, I littered my PM to Owen with hints (when he asked those questions)
[22:48] spies8claude: I'm not arguing whether or not your role is real
[22:49] spies8gertrude: No?
[22:49] spies8gertrude: Then what is your incredulity stemming from?
[22:49] spies8claude: That you are also masons.
[22:50] spies8claude: and confirmed town to each other.
[22:50] spies8gertrude: Well, if you believe the Angel to be a town role, I have no reason to lie.
[22:50] spies8gertrude: If it helps, we didn't start the game as masons.
[22:50] spies8gertrude: Though it is illegal for me to tell you how we became them.
[22:52] spies8claude: This just makes less sense to me the more you talk about it.
[22:52] spies8claude: So you didn't start as masons..and you can't talk about how you became masons..even though the two roles are apparently exactly meant to be masons.
[22:52] spies8gertrude: I don't know about the last portion.
[22:52] spies8gertrude: But I hope I can tell you this:
[22:53] spies8claude: The rolenames are Angel and Devil?
[22:53] spies8claude: Pretty obvious intentional desingn
[22:53] spies8claude: design
[22:53] spies8gertrude: There was a definite possibility that we would not be masons.
[22:53] spies8gertrude: If you think critically, you may be able to figure it out.
[22:54] spies8gertrude: Something happened to both Chance and I, and because of our individual responses to said something, we became masons.
[22:54] spies8gertrude: That is stretching the line of what I can and cannot say.
[22:55] spies8claude: I just don't really see why you wouldn't be able to talk about it.
[22:55] spies8claude: But whatever.
[22:55] spies8gertrude: Yes, I am unclear as to why that is as well.
[22:55] spies8gertrude: But it was made explicitly clear.
[22:56] spies8gertrude: I want to say it so badly.
[23:33] spies8gertrude: I have an idea.
[23:34] spies8gertrude: You there?
[00:03] spies8claude: What's up
[00:04] spies8gertrude: You might want to catch up on the masonry chat.
[00:06] spies8claude: shrug
[00:12] spies8gertrude: Also, our child was born.
[00:43] spies8gertrude: Claude, if you're feeling defeated, there's something wrong.
[00:43] spies8gertrude: I want to talk through this.
[00:43] spies8claude: This game is what's wrong.
[00:43] spies8gertrude: Why do you feel that way?
[00:44] spies8claude: I gotta run up to the store
[00:44] spies8claude: I'll talk about it later I guess.
[00:44] spies8gertrude: Ok, please do. Let me know when you're back.
[01:03] spies8claude: I'm back now.
[01:03] spies8gertrude: Ok.
[01:03] spies8gertrude: How are you feeling?
[01:04] spies8claude: shrug
[02:17] spies8gertrude: Ok. You here still?
[02:17] spies8claude: Yeah.
[02:17] spies8gertrude: Alrighty.
[02:17] spies8gertrude: You know I'm all about logical sequencing.
[02:17] spies8gertrude: If this, then that.
[02:17] spies8gertrude: So.
[02:18] spies8claude: I don't want to have some giant WIFOM-y conversation, honestly.
[02:18] spies8gertrude: I don't mean to.
[02:18] spies8claude: I guess I'm listening then.
[02:19] spies8gertrude: I was going to do the same thing we did with "If Chance is a Spy, ______"
[02:19] spies8gertrude: the other night.
[02:19] spies8gertrude: So, if Chance and I are both lying and are Spies, what does this mean?
[02:19] spies8claude: That you're both lying spies.
[02:20] spies8claude: And fooled Cory.
[02:20] spies8gertrude: I got that.
[02:20] spies8gertrude: I meant, beyond that.
[02:20] spies8claude: You could all 4 be spies, but Cory and Owen aren't directly tied in, and that's fairly unlikely anyway.
[02:20] spies8gertrude: There'd still be someone granting people Imprisonment Immunity, unless of course, Allan is a Spy with us and was lying about the role used on him.
[02:21] spies8claude: Again, I never doubted the existence of the role you're claiming, and Chance's is obviously real.
[02:22] spies8gertrude: Ok.
[02:22] spies8gertrude: So then, there'd still be the real "Angel" (or whatever the role's name would be if mine isn't real)
[02:23] spies8gertrude: What else? Cory would likely by Imprisoned immediately.
[02:23] spies8claude: I'm just having a hard time seeing both roles being town, AND the game having A doc.
[02:23] spies8gertrude: Yes, we had a hard time believing you and Allan are both Citizens.
[02:23] spies8gertrude: However.
[02:23] spies8claude: But I don't know about both roles being scum, either. Shrug.
[02:23] spies8gertrude: There were 6 town roles in the previous season, i think.
[02:23] spies8claude: I'm not even sure about Allan being a citizen these days. Like..why is he still alive if he's not a spy.
[02:24] spies8gertrude: Well..
[02:25] spies8gertrude: I'm not a Spy, but if I was, I think I'd see the doctor (the Lilith Imp) and strong Citizens (Gabe, Nita, Tina) as more of a threat.
[02:25] spies8claude: I'm still stuck on the Gabe part too.
[02:25] spies8claude: He didn't seem particularly amazing.
[02:25] spies8claude: Yet cory protected him and the spies tried to kill him on the same night?
[02:26] spies8claude: Cory, who wasn't even on the same side as him.
[02:26] spies8claude: This game is just like a giant pile of ridiculously unlikely(and hard to believe) circumstances.
[02:26] spies8gertrude: Apparently so, yes. There was already a public plea to save Nita, so I doubt the Spies would target her.
[02:26] spies8claude: or Jenny is a Spy
[02:26] spies8claude: shrug
[02:26] spies8gertrude: Haha, what?
[02:26] spies8gertrude: Oh.
[02:27] spies8claude: Nita told Jenny her role, etc etc.
[02:27] spies8gertrude: Her claim to Jenny.
[02:27] spies8gertrude: Right.
[02:27] spies8gertrude: I wasn't aware that was in Episode 1.
[02:27] spies8claude: So they didn't go after her, despite her being the really obvious target.
[02:27] spies8claude: Pretty sure they said it was before the first imprisonment.
[02:27] spies8gertrude: Ok.
[02:28] spies8gertrude: I don't really know what to say about Gabe, then.
[02:29] spies8claude: Ironically, I feel better if one of guy guys just gets Imprisoned.
[02:29] spies8gertrude: I don't understand.
[02:29] spies8claude: Then I'll know that someone is being truthful.
[02:30] spies8gertrude: Did you mean "you guys"?
[02:30] spies8claude: Ah
[02:30] spies8claude: Yes, sorry.
[02:30] spies8gertrude: Ok
[02:30] spies8gertrude: That's fair, but also myopic.
[02:30] spies8gertrude: Because if one of us were to be Imprisoned, it would be me.
[02:30] spies8gertrude: And my role is much more crucial to the town than Chance's
[02:30] spies8claude: Well, that's not what I would be hoping for. :-(
[02:31] spies8claude: Cory seems to think that he's going to be dead soon.
[02:31] spies8gertrude: He probably will be, if they don't catch on to me first.
[02:32] spies8gertrude: My *hope*
[02:32] spies8gertrude: is that one of the other players who are perceived as strong Citizens (Mary, Awohali, Broderick, Cinnamyn) get Imprisoned next.
[02:32] spies8gertrude: Because I don't trust any of them.
[02:33] spies8claude: I doubt that all 4 of those are citizens..
[02:33] spies8claude: Oh I see.
[02:33] spies8gertrude: Right, but they're kind of the powerhouses.
[02:33] spies8gertrude: If that makes any sense.
[02:33] spies8claude: Yeah I get it.
[02:34] spies8claude: I don't really think Mary is a Spy.
[02:34] spies8claude: Magalie seemed completely setup by her team.
[02:34] spies8claude: And Mary only went along with that lynch after she was let 'into the loop'
[02:34] spies8gertrude: I'm feeling better about Mary as time goes by.
[02:34] spies8gertrude: Because I was *sure* I would be Imprisoned the other day.
[02:35] spies8gertrude: Cory told Mary about Chance and also about my role, and it would only take a few minutes to figure out who has my role.
[02:35] spies8gertrude: So, considering I didn't die, I feel slightly better about her.
[02:35] spies8gertrude: Coincidentally.
[02:36] spies8gertrude: When Lilith was Imprisoned, I saved Mary and Allan from Imprisonment because I wanted to see if Cinnamyn would be killed.
[02:36] spies8claude: You got to save 2 people?
[02:36] spies8gertrude: Oh, yes.
[02:36] spies8gertrude: Did that part not get explained?
[02:36] spies8claude: So your role just gets +1 for each day that you're not voted?
[02:36] spies8gertrude: Consecutively, yes.
[02:36] spies8claude: ....
[02:36] spies8claude: So stupid.
[02:36] spies8gertrude: But if I get a vote, it goes right back down to 0.
[02:37] spies8gertrude: It's really not.
[02:37] spies8claude: It's retardedly powerful.
[02:37] spies8gertrude: Because the more people I save, the more onto me the Spies get.
[02:37] spies8claude: I don't know about that.
[02:37] spies8gertrude: I obviously cannot save myself.
[02:37] spies8claude: They just figure that they chose poorly.
[02:37] spies8gertrude: Hmm?
[02:38] spies8claude: How are the Spies every going to know anything about it.
[02:38] spies8claude: If they try to Imprison someone and miss, then shrug...they missed.
[02:38] spies8gertrude: No, no.
[02:38] spies8gertrude: My role isn't like that.
[02:38] spies8claude: Ah nm.
[02:38] spies8claude: I got confused for a second.
[02:38] spies8gertrude: The Spies know who they can't Imprison when I use my role.
[02:38] spies8claude: Can you choose not to select the full # of people?
[02:39] spies8gertrude: Probably.
[02:39] spies8claude: Probably a good idea, shrug.
[02:39] spies8gertrude: Well, sure, if I start getting momentum.
[02:39] spies8claude: You're at 2 now right?
[02:39] spies8gertrude: No.
[02:39] spies8gertrude: I'm at 0.
[02:39] spies8gertrude: Hambone voted for me.
[02:40] spies8claude: Ah, right right.
[02:40] spies8claude: It's kind of hard to believe that you weren't more attentive to putting your votes into your confessional with that kind of clause to your role.
[02:41] spies8gertrude: Mmm. I would agree with you except for a few things.
[02:42] spies8gertrude: 1) I am not used to both announcing who I plan on voting for and then privately voting for someone. As primarily a Survivor player, and more importantly as a townsperson, I have no reason to lie about the vote I'm casting.
[02:42] spies8gertrude: 2) I already knew that I was receiving Hambone's vote.
[02:42] spies8claude: Oh, so even one nomination resets you?
[02:43] spies8gertrude: Yes.
[02:43] spies8claude: Shittyh.
[02:43] spies8gertrude: Indeed.
[02:43] spies8claude: Why'd you make such a big deal out of forgetting in group chat, then?
[02:43] spies8gertrude: Because I was honestly upset by my stupidity?
[02:43] spies8claude: lol
[02:43] spies8claude: fair enough I guess.
[02:44] spies8gertrude: So, yeah, the role isn't nearly as powerful as it sounds when you think about it.
[02:44] spies8claude: I mean..it's pretty absurd.
[02:44] spies8claude: Especially when combined with some other mason role that can make you effectively unvotable.
[02:45] spies8claude: That's my biggest hangup in all of this, honestly.
[02:45] spies8gertrude: But look at how difficult it is for us to accomplish that.
[02:46] spies8gertrude: It's incredibly stressful for me to try and have Chance get votes, but not killed, and for me to be suspicious enough to not be Imprisoned, while at the same time trying to help the town.
[02:47] spies8gertrude: Coupled with the fact that initially, Magalie was on me for no apparent reason.
[02:47] spies8gertrude: Then Margot decided to hop up my ass.
[02:52] spies8gertrude: The point is.
[02:52] spies8gertrude: While from an outsider's perspective, it may look game-breaking, it's actually very hard to manage.
[02:55] spies8gertrude: Does that make sense?
[02:55] spies8claude: I get what you're saying, though I don't really agree.
[02:55] spies8gertrude: How so?
[02:55] spies8gertrude: Or why not/
[02:56] spies8claude: I dunno.
[02:56] spies8claude: Just doesn't seem that difficult to me.
[02:56] spies8gertrude: Well, at one point we were set.
[02:57] spies8gertrude: Then, for some reason, nobody felt like nominating Chance.
[02:57] spies8gertrude: And our perfect little world fell apart.
[02:58] spies8claude: Pretty sure that was courtesy of the game design.
[02:58] spies8gertrude: Yes, but I was kinda counting on you to vote for him, at the very least.
[02:58] spies8claude: Ah well, I wanted to make sure Isaac got nominated, and with enough nominations to be convincing.
[02:58] spies8claude: wasting your nomination sucks.
[02:58] spies8claude: Which makes me feel fantastic about having my vote back now!
[02:58] spies8claude: ...
[02:59] spies8gertrude: I feel like that was sarcasm but I don't know why.
[02:59] spies8claude: Because apparently Chance can't be scum now.
[02:59] spies8claude: But I'm still going to have to vote him today, and probably tomorrow.
[02:59] spies8gertrude: Oh, right.
[03:03] spies8gertrude: Hm.
[03:03] spies8claude: ?
[03:03] spies8gertrude: I don't know. I'm thinking.
[03:07] spies8gertrude: I don't know how to convince you any further.
[03:07] spies8claude: I wouldn't worry about it.
[03:07] spies8gertrude: I feel like what I've said should make complete logical sense to you.
[03:07] spies8claude: Nothing I can really do anyway, shrug.
[03:07] spies8gertrude: Claude, you realize I didn't tell you because I was worried you would do something, right?
[03:08] spies8claude: A legitimate concern, to be certain.
[03:08] spies8gertrude: Well, not really.
[03:08] spies8gertrude: Owen, Cory, Mary, and myself would not lynch Chance.
[03:08] spies8gertrude: I was not concerned for Chance's safety at this Exile.
[03:09] spies8gertrude: I told you because I need you to be on the right track.
[03:09] spies8gertrude: I'm not very good at scumhunting. I'm not.
[03:09] spies8gertrude: But I am good with support.
[03:10] spies8gertrude: My role only accentuates that.
[03:10] spies8gertrude: My goal has been to get a trusted circle of Citizens to collaborate in catching Spies.
[03:10] spies8gertrude: And, not to be arrogant, but it's been working.
[03:11] spies8gertrude: Owen, Cory, Chance, Tina, and I got Magalie nominated and Exiled effectively, *while* she was on the Senate.
[03:12] spies8gertrude: Tina's gone.
[03:12] spies8gertrude: We're likely to tell Mary soon, if only because she knows so much already.
[03:12] spies8gertrude: I want you to succeed, Claude.
[03:13] spies8gertrude: Especially with your power, it's such a waste to have you chasing down the wrong tree.
[03:13] spies8claude: What poweR?
[03:13] spies8gertrude: Your role?
[03:13] spies8claude: My ability is largely useless.
[03:13] spies8gertrude: It's not, though.
[03:13] spies8gertrude: Your role made the nominations
[03:13] spies8claude: Yes.
[03:13] spies8claude: Much to the chagrin of..everyone else.
[03:14] spies8gertrude: Before we found out what you had done, we were going to get Awohali nominated and Exiled.
[03:14] spies8gertrude: Or at the very least, nominated.
[03:14] spies8gertrude: Cory and Chance had been discussing him for a few days.
[03:14] spies8gertrude: Owen now feels the same way
[03:15] spies8gertrude: The point is, though, your ability isn't useless at all.
[03:52] spies8gertrude: Another penny for your thoughts.
[03:53] spies8claude: ?
[03:53] spies8gertrude: I'm just wondering what you're thinking about.
[03:57] spies8claude: I dunno.
[03:57] spies8claude: I'm just burnt out now.
[03:57] spies8claude: When people act like Chance has, it's because they're Spies. Not because the mod-confirmed town masons with roles that require them to attract suspicion.
[03:58] spies8gertrude: I know what you mean
[03:58] spies8gertrude: Did you know that I got Chance to claim to me before we knew we were masons?
[03:58] spies8claude: Not really sure why that is important.
[03:58] spies8gertrude: I'm a badass like that.
[03:59] spies8gertrude: It just makes me feel good about myself, ha.
[03:59] spies8claude: Ah.
[03:59] spies8claude: Well, good for you then, I suppose.
[03:59] spies8gertrude: You're not even going to bite and ask how?
[03:59] spies8claude: You can tell me how.
[03:59] spies8gertrude: You just don't care.
[03:59] spies8gertrude: Gotcha.
[03:59] spies8claude: You're taking it personally, and it's not like that.
[04:00] spies8claude: I honestly don't want to be playing this game anymore. I probably won't request replacement, because I hate doing that.
[04:00] spies8claude: But I'm in a ridiculously bad position now, and I really don't feel like I deserve to be here.
[04:00] spies8gertrude: You're not in a bad position!
[04:00] spies8claude: lol
[04:01] spies8claude: I've been campaigning against chance for, literally, the entire game
[04:01] spies8gertrude: Well, yes
[04:01] spies8claude: Now I just have to stop and hope no one ever notices.
[04:01] spies8gertrude: No, you don't.
[04:01] spies8claude: The alternative is just to be effectively useless. You have no idea how happy I was to finally get my vote back.
[04:01] spies8claude: And that's the only reason you guys told me about this anyway, clearly. I'm not stupid.
[04:02] spies8gertrude: Somewhat.
[04:02] spies8gertrude: But Owen and Cory were pushing to tell you regardless.
[04:02] spies8claude: That's what Cory said too.
[04:02] spies8gertrude: That's because it was true.
[04:03] spies8gertrude: Chance was against it entirely, and I thought it would be foolish and reckless to tell you unnecessarily.
[04:03] spies8gertrude: I'll admit that.
[04:04] spies8claude: There's definitely a risk factor there. I won't really completely believe you as long as you're both alive.
[04:04] spies8gertrude: That's interesting.
[04:04] spies8claude: And Chance is obviously never getting Imprisoned while this is all a secret, so.
[04:04] spies8gertrude: You know me, and you know Chance.
[04:05] spies8gertrude: While, yes, he's not the most smooth of operators, do you really think we'd be stupid enough to try and pull this as Spies?
[04:05] spies8claude: I hate WIFOM arguments, honestly.
[04:05] spies8gertrude: I'm not trying to make it WIFOM.
[04:05] spies8claude: How do you know he's town? Like Sam literally told you, 100%, that he's confirmed town without a doubt/
[04:06] spies8gertrude: Yes. Several times, in my confessional.
[04:06] spies8gertrude: Additionally, we have our own little forum space on the Spies8 board.
[04:06] spies8gertrude: It's called "Between Heaven and Hell"
[04:06] spies8claude: clever
[04:06] spies8gertrude: And it says:
[04:07] spies8gertrude: Chance and Gertrude, as masons, collaborate here to achieve victory for the citizens.
[04:07] spies8gertrude: as the description.
[04:11] spies8claude: So this is the last Spies game or something right?
[04:11] spies8gertrude: It's billed as such, yet.
[04:11] spies8gertrude: yes*
[04:11] spies8gertrude: Why?
[04:12] spies8claude: Just curious. I wonder why this would be the last one.
[04:12] spies8gertrude: I do, too.
[04:12] spies8gertrude: I hope it's not.
[04:13] spies8gertrude: This is my first, and I like it.
[04:13] spies8claude: I can't say that I feel the same.
[04:13] spies8gertrude: Right.
[04:14] spies8claude: But it's weird that he would declare a 'last game'.
[04:14] spies8gertrude: That's unfortunate.
[04:14] spies8claude: Oh well. Not particularly important.
[04:14] spies8gertrude: Well, he might go back to hosting Survivor games.
[04:14] spies8claude: Oh, was he doing that before?
[04:14] spies8claude: I don't know anything about that.
[04:14] spies8gertrude: Yup. If you scroll to the bottom of the board
[04:15] spies8gertrude: it has a list of games Sam's created and run
[04:15] spies8claude: yeah I see now.
[04:15] spies8gertrude: They were apparently pretty epic.
[04:15] spies8gertrude: They were before my time, though.
[04:15] spies8claude: I don't think I would enjoy Survivor.
[04:16] spies8gertrude: No?
[04:16] spies8gertrude: Why not?
[04:16] spies8claude: Seems like there is too much popularity involved.
[04:16] spies8gertrude: Sorta.
[04:17] spies8claude: I'm obviously not a champion of those types of games.
[04:17] spies8gertrude: Eh, don't beat up on yourself.
[04:17] spies8gertrude: I like you.
[04:17] spies8claude: I'm not beating myself up, heh. I'm just never concerned with being popular. :-P
[04:18] spies8gertrude: As you shouldn't be.
[04:18] spies8gertrude: Popularity is so relative, anyways.
[04:18] spies8claude: I'm also really not much of a team player, honestly.
[04:18] spies8gertrude: Oh? I hadn't noticed.
[04:18] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[04:18] spies8claude: smirk
[04:33] spies8gertrude: So what type of music do you listen to, Claude?
[04:33] spies8claude: Mostly that grunge alternative style music.
[04:33] spies8claude: That's what was big when I was in HS, so it's largely stuck with me.
[04:33] spies8claude: I haven't really enjoyed any new music for probably a decade..everything is so pop-ish now.
[04:34] spies8gertrude: Like what, ACDC and stuff?
[04:34] spies8claude: Nah
[04:34] spies8gertrude: I'm not sure I know what grunge means.
[04:34] spies8claude: Hmmm
[04:34] spies8claude: Foo Fighters is an example.
[04:34] spies8claude: Or Nickelback.
[04:34] spies8gertrude: Oh, ok.
[04:39] spies8gertrude: That's interesting, and kinda cute.
[04:39] spies8claude: ?
[04:39] spies8gertrude: Not many guys are into Nickelback.
[04:39] spies8claude: Chuckle.
[04:39] spies8claude: I like alot of that sappy alternative stuff.
[04:40] spies8claude: I love that song by Lifehouse, Hanging By a Moment.
[04:40] spies8gertrude: Awwwww!
[04:40] spies8gertrude: You are SO not a robot.
[04:40] spies8claude: lol
[04:41] spies8gertrude: The only thing I don't like about that song is the obnoxious rubber band stretching sound.
[04:42] spies8claude: chuckle
[04:42] spies8gertrude: You know what I'm talking about?
[04:42] spies8claude: yeah
[04:42] spies8claude: vaguely
[04:44] spies8gertrude: Is it weird that I'm into older stuff than you?
[04:44] spies8claude: Maybe you're older than me?
[04:44] spies8gertrude: I'm not, if Nickelback was popular in high school.
[04:44] spies8claude: hmm, I think I was like 20 when they caught on.
[04:44] spies8claude: IDK, I'm 31.
[04:45] spies8gertrude: Well, I'm not 20.
[04:45] spies8gertrude: So, there.
[04:45] spies8claude: lol
[04:45] spies8claude: Kids :-(
[04:45] spies8gertrude: Not technically.
[04:45] spies8gertrude:
[04:45] spies8claude: I think you're better off being into older mushc than anything that is popular today.
[04:45] spies8claude: music today is all nonsense.
[04:46] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[04:46] spies8gertrude: Well, I like that too, so.
[04:46] spies8gertrude: Mean.
[04:46] spies8claude: My kid listens to stupid crap like Justin Beiber and Kesha.
[04:46] spies8claude: It just makes me shake my head.
[04:47] spies8gertrude: Oh, my.
[04:47] spies8gertrude: If you're 31 and your kid is listening to Ke$ha..
[04:47] spies8claude: My oldest is 11.
[04:47] spies8gertrude: Ach.
[04:47] spies8gertrude: Ke$ha isn't the best role model.
[04:48] spies8gertrude: I can't say anything bad about Bieber, though, he seems harmless.
[04:48] spies8claude: Ah, that's not a problem, my kids are smart enough that they really don't see any celebrities as role models.
[04:48] spies8claude: My 11 year old thinks Kesha's behavior is ridiculous, heh.
[04:48] spies8gertrude: Ok. Good sign.
[04:49] spies8gertrude: I approve of your child.
[04:49] spies8claude: lol
[04:49] spies8claude: That's good to know.
[04:49] spies8gertrude: The middle Spy in my Owen picture is turning 11 next week.
[04:49] spies8claude: Amusing picture, heh.
[04:49] spies8gertrude: Thank you, thank you.
[04:54] spies8gertrude: My cousins were happy to oblige, despite their facial expressions.
[04:54] spies8claude: heh
[04:54] spies8claude: So, tell me how you got Chance to tell you his role anyway.
[04:54] spies8gertrude: They ask me every day if the Spies have killed me yet.
[04:54] spies8gertrude: Awww!
[04:54] spies8claude: That actually seems like a good story.
[04:54] spies8gertrude: I thought you'd never ask.
[04:54] spies8claude: And a stroke of completely dumb luck, but anyway.
[04:55] spies8gertrude: It was extreme deductive skills, thank you very much.
[04:55] spies8claude: What, you 'deduced' that he was acting like scum on purpose?
[04:55] spies8gertrude: Let me tell the story!
[04:56] spies8gertrude: So, as Cory and Owen said, there was 1 act Chance did that was intentionally scummy.
[04:56] spies8gertrude: Do you remember what it was?
[04:56] spies8claude: No.
[04:56] spies8claude: I wasn't paying attention during 'be a detective' time.
[04:56] spies8claude: I was afk playing a board game w/ some friends and just casually checked this a couple of times.
[04:57] spies8gertrude: Well, he approached Mary with a plan on Episode 1 (I'm going to need to know what game you were playing) with a plan to not get either of them Imprisoned.
[04:57] spies8claude: lol..Mary? Whom was intent upon voting him that day?
[04:57] spies8gertrude: This was before all the stuff happened with you and Cory and Camilla, when we were in the honeymoon stage.
[04:57] spies8claude: Ah.
[04:57] spies8gertrude: Before that.
[04:58] spies8claude: So he just what, blindly approached someone and hoped it would work out that they weren't a Spy?
[04:58] spies8gertrude: His plan was that if they voted for each other, the Spies would think there was suspicion on them and therefore wouldn't kill them.
[04:58] spies8gertrude: That's what he told her, anyways.
[04:58] spies8gertrude: Obviously, he just wanted a vote.
[04:58] spies8gertrude: He later came to me with the same plan.
[04:58] spies8claude: It's so funny.
[04:59] spies8claude: Had someone come to me with that plan, I would assume that they wanted a vote, and just become immediately suspicious.
[04:59] spies8claude: But anyway.
[04:59] spies8gertrude: ExactlyQ
[04:59] spies8gertrude: And I told him as such.
[04:59] spies8gertrude: I said, "I'll keep your deal in mind, but be careful, because people might think you have a role which requires you to get a vote"
[05:00] spies8gertrude: That was it for then, until Camilla was Exiled and we found out that Chance was Immune from the next one.
[05:00] spies8claude: 'found out'?
[05:00] spies8gertrude: It was announced?
[05:00] spies8gertrude: Posted.
[05:00] spies8gertrude: Et.
[05:00] spies8claude: I thought you knew or w/e
[05:00] spies8gertrude: Oh, no.
[05:01] spies8gertrude: Your timeline must be mixed up.
[05:01] spies8claude: Oh.
[05:01] spies8gertrude: At this point in the story, he hasn't claimed to me.
[05:01] spies8claude: So you didn't get him to confess his role yet.
[05:01] spies8claude: Okay.
[05:01] spies8gertrude: Right.
[05:01] spies8gertrude: But, when we were told he was Immune, I was immediately suspect.
[05:02] spies8claude: obv.
[05:02] spies8gertrude: However, I wasn't sure how to handle the situation, so I asked Cinnamyn what to do in the hypothetical situation that I suspected someone of having a role.
[05:02] spies8gertrude: Confronting them privately vs. in the Burg, essentially.
[05:02] spies8gertrude: She said to approach the person privately.
[05:02] spies8claude: lol, if you had confronted him publicly, he would be so far dead by now.
[05:03] spies8gertrude: Yes.
[05:03] spies8gertrude: So, anyways, I told him that I suspected him of making himself Immune from Exile.
[05:03] spies8claude: he would have been forced to claim a role that requires him to get voted, which would pretty much just be read as claiming scum.
[05:04] spies8claude: Fascinating that he flat-out lied to everyone about that.
[05:04] spies8claude: Making himself immune, I mean.
[05:04] spies8claude: anyway.
[05:05] spies8gertrude: I'm looking at the conversation now.
[05:05] spies8gertrude: In hindsight, I was quite foolish.
[05:05] spies8gertrude: [20:59] spies8chance: deep breath. okay. yes, i have a role.
[20:59] spies8gertrude: Exciting!
[20:59] spies8chance: and yes, it does require me to get at least one vote at exile.
[20:59] spies8chance: it's a little more powerful than just me being immune from exile, though.
[20:59] spies8gertrude: Wait.
[20:59] spies8gertrude: Let me guess.
[20:59] spies8gertrude: Wait, no.
[20:59] spies8gertrude: Nevermind.
[20:59] spies8gertrude: Wait.
[20:59] spies8gertrude: Wait.
[21:00] spies8chance: waiting.
[21:00] spies8gertrude: As you go through Exiles receiving votes...
[21:00] spies8gertrude: You get to make more people Immune from Exile?
[21:00] spies8chance: not quite so complicated, unfortunately, because that'd be cool.
[21:00] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[21:00] spies8gertrude: It was worth a shot.
[05:06] spies8gertrude: Then, intrigued, I asked what it was called, because it seemed so similar, yet so different to mine
[05:07] spies8gertrude: He almost claimed that his role's name was the Angel, ha.
[05:07] spies8gertrude: But didn't.
[05:07] spies8claude: 'almost'?
[05:07] spies8gertrude: [21:03] spies8chance: alright, i'm fighting with myself now. i really want to lie, because it sounds so evil. but i figure since i've told you everything else i might as well go whole hog on the matter.
[21:04] spies8chance: my role is called the devil. so named, i'm hoping, because people have to (apparently) notice my devilish nature and vote me for it for my power to activate.
[05:07] spies8gertrude: Literally 8 minutes later, we found out that we were masons.
[05:08] spies8gertrude: [21:12] spies8gertrude: I'm the angel.
[21:12] spies8chance: oh thank god i didn't lie to you.
[21:12] spies8chance: i was going to claim to be the angel.
[05:08] spies8claude: Due to some event that you can't talk about under some penalty that you're not sure of.
[05:08] spies8gertrude: Yes.
[05:08] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[05:08] spies8claude: You're really just a neutral SK variant aren't you :-(
[05:09] spies8gertrude: I'm not.
[05:09] spies8claude: as a team that is
[05:09] spies8gertrude: In fact, it specifically states that there isn't a SK
[05:09] spies8gertrude: In the rules.
[05:09] spies8claude: I said 'variant' :-P
[05:09] spies8gertrude: How would that work? Only 1 person has been dying each round.
[05:09] spies8claude: IDK. Anyway.
[05:09] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[05:10] spies8claude: Is the story over now?
[05:10] spies8gertrude: Yes.
[05:10] spies8gertrude: You can go ahead and applaud me now.
[05:10] spies8claude: Nicely done indeed.
[05:10] spies8gertrude: *bows*
[05:11] spies8claude: So you're not even really a girl, are you?
[05:11] spies8gertrude: Have you seen the picture?
[05:11] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[05:11] spies8claude: That's not really your picture, is it?
[05:11] spies8gertrude: The one of Owen?
[05:11] spies8gertrude: It certainly is.
[05:11] spies8claude: Oh
[05:11] spies8claude: I thought you meant the Gertrude one.
[05:11] spies8gertrude: Oh, ha.
[05:11] spies8gertrude: Hahahaha.
[05:13] spies8gertrude: I bet your forehead isn't really that large, is it?
[05:13] spies8claude: So you're in the picture that you submitted..lol
[05:14] spies8claude: I didn't send in a picture for this game, Sam just picked that out of..who knows where.
[05:14] spies8gertrude: Ah.
[05:14] spies8gertrude: But the question remains unanswered.
[05:14] spies8claude: All of your poor misconceptions are lain to waste now.
[05:14] spies8claude: And no, I don't have a gigantic forehead.
[05:14] spies8gertrude:
[05:14] spies8gertrude: I married a fraud.
[05:15] spies8claude: Or just made an erronous assumption.
[05:15] spies8gertrude: Or you're a fraud.
[05:15] spies8gertrude: I know for a fact you're not an actually psychologist, ha.
[05:15] spies8claude: Im pretty sure that I told people before that wasn't my picture.
[05:15] spies8gertrude: actual*
[05:16] spies8gertrude: Of course it's not your picture. None of the pictures are of the people playing the characters.
[05:16] spies8claude: I will eventually go back to college and complete the psychology major that I started, though.
[05:16] spies8claude: Why did Sam ask me to submit a picture then.
[05:16] spies8gertrude: A picture of your character!
[05:17] spies8claude: ...
[05:17] spies8gertrude: Oh my god. This is why you hate roleplaying.
[05:17] spies8claude: I guess it doesn't matter.
[05:17] spies8gertrude: You didn't know that none of us are actually who we say we are?
[05:17] spies8claude: lol
[05:17] spies8claude: Yes I know that.
[05:17] spies8claude: I thought that some of those pictures were real submissions from people though.
[05:18] spies8gertrude: No, sir.
[05:18] spies8gertrude: Most of the games I play are not alias games though.
[05:29] spies8gertrude: Oh my god.
[05:29] spies8claude: ?
[05:29] spies8gertrude: Is your name actually Claude?
[05:29] spies8claude: lol
[05:29] spies8claude: No.
[05:29] spies8gertrude: Aw.
[05:29] spies8claude: That's not even the submitted name that I really wanted.
[05:29] spies8gertrude: Yes, I didn't get my first choice either.
[05:30] spies8claude: I'm not even sure I submitted it...or why I picked it if I did(submit it).
[05:30] spies8gertrude: What was your first pick?
[05:30] spies8claude: Alexander.
[05:30] spies8gertrude: Like your son.
[05:33] spies8gertrude: Mine was Alison.
[05:33] spies8claude: Ah, I like that name.
[05:33] spies8claude: I think Gertrude is more fitting for your character, though.
[05:33] spies8gertrude: It was my 12th grade English teacher's name.
[05:34] spies8gertrude: I have grown to like Gertrude a lot.
[05:34] spies8claude: 12th grade? So what, 2 months ago?
[05:34] spies8gertrude: You are rude.
[05:34] spies8gertrude: But yes.
[05:34] spies8claude: haha
[05:35] spies8gertrude: You should've at least admitted about your son.
[05:36] spies8claude: Wait, what now? I don't actually have a son.
[05:36] spies8claude: I have 3 daughters.
[05:36] spies8gertrude: Oh, wow.
[05:36] spies8gertrude: If you had a son, though.
[05:36] spies8claude: Yeah, that's the name I'd use.
[05:37] spies8gertrude: That's cute.
[05:38] spies8gertrude: Apparently, something is wrong with your Y chromosone.
[05:38] spies8gertrude: chromosome*.
[05:39] spies8claude: Something like that.
[05:39] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[05:39] spies8gertrude: Daughters are adorable, though.
[05:39] spies8gertrude: And they smell better.
[05:39] spies8claude: Biologically, none of them are my children actually. I met their mom when they were babies.
[05:40] spies8claude: But they're my kids, just the same.
[05:40] spies8gertrude: Oh my god, that's even more adorable.
[05:40] spies8claude: So my Y Chromosome is just fine, thanks. :-P
[05:41] spies8gertrude: That's so admirable.
[05:41] spies8gertrude: You married?
[05:41] spies8claude: We're not technically married, haven't been able to afford a nice marriage. But when you've been together 9 years..shrug.
[05:41] spies8gertrude: Got it.
[05:42] spies8claude: I'm sure we'll have an actual wedding someday :-P
[05:42] spies8gertrude: I'll invite myself.
[05:43] spies8claude: lol
[05:43] spies8claude: Maybe you can be the photographer :-P
[05:43] spies8gertrude: Sure!
[05:44] spies8gertrude: I'm sure my laptop would work fine.
[05:44] spies8claude: haha
[05:45] spies8gertrude: My brother is getting married a month from Wednesday.
[05:45] spies8claude: Awesome.
[05:45] spies8gertrude: My adorable niece:
[05:45] spies8gertrude:
eebee.shutterfly.com/[05:45] spies8claude: how cute!
[05:45] spies8gertrude: I love her to death.
[05:47] spies8gertrude: Can't wait to see her again.
[05:54] spies8claude: I still can't believe someone 'guessed' who you are or w/e in Episode 1.
[05:54] spies8claude: Such a douche thing to do.
[05:55] spies8gertrude: Mm.
[05:55] spies8gertrude: I knew who it is.
[05:55] spies8gertrude: know&
[05:55] spies8claude: lol
[05:55] spies8claude: How?
[05:55] spies8gertrude: I know* who it is.
[05:55] spies8gertrude: Because I figured them out myseld.
[05:55] spies8claude: Are you going to say it was Chance :-(
[05:55] spies8gertrude: myself*.
[05:55] spies8gertrude: No.
[05:55] spies8claude: That would have been fanastically ironic.
[05:55] spies8claude: Whom was it?
[05:55] spies8gertrude: Chance and I do not know each other outside of the game, I'm almost positive.
[05:55] spies8gertrude: Jasmine.
[05:56] spies8claude: So you think someone else in this game is someone you know IRL?
[05:56] spies8claude: Weird coincidence.
[05:56] spies8gertrude: Not IRL.
[05:56] spies8gertrude: But from other games
[05:56] spies8claude: Ah okay.
[05:57] spies8gertrude: I don't think Jasmine is a Spy, though.
[05:57] spies8claude: Oh, is that who it was?
[05:57] spies8claude: I don't either.
[05:57] spies8claude: Though I guess I'm not so sure now; at first I thought she was the Cop or something.
[05:57] spies8claude: And had a scum result on Chance.
[05:57] spies8claude: Apparently that's not the case.
[05:58] spies8gertrude: No.
[05:58] spies8claude: Apparently I trust you afterall, since I just told you that, heh.
[05:58] spies8gertrude: Well, if Jasmine shows up dead tomorrow, feel free to out me.
[05:58] spies8claude: I imagine you'd be slightly more clever than that anyway.
[05:59] spies8gertrude: Eh.
[05:59] spies8gertrude: I'm not a Spy.
[06:00] spies8claude: Well I guess it must be true since you said so.
[06:00] spies8claude: :-P
[06:00] spies8gertrude: Exactly.
[06:00] spies8claude: ...
[06:00] spies8claude: I was probably making fun of you there.
[06:00] spies8gertrude: I know, ha.
[06:00] spies8gertrude: I was playing along.
[06:00] spies8claude: lol
[06:00] spies8gertrude: But, it's still true.
[06:01] spies8gertrude: I don't lie to people unless it's about my role.
[06:01] spies8claude: This is a silly conversation.
[06:02] spies8gertrude: Eh.
[06:02] spies8gertrude: Which part?
[06:02] spies8claude: blah nevermind.
[06:02] spies8gertrude: Ha.
[06:06] spies8gertrude: Have I done anything suspicious other than bandwagon on votes?
[06:06] spies8claude: Nah.
[06:06] spies8claude: But shrug, I stopped being suspicious of you awhile ago.
[06:07] spies8gertrude: a while*
[06:08] spies8claude: Hmm, I always thought that was one word.
[06:08] spies8gertrude: It is.
[06:08] spies8claude: a while is two words :-P
[06:08] spies8gertrude: It's both.
[06:08] spies8claude: Then you didn't need to correct me?
[06:08] spies8gertrude: Depends on the usage.
[06:08] spies8gertrude: I think.
[06:08] spies8gertrude: You're confusing me now.
[06:09] spies8claude: I think you're just mistaken here, but you're welcome to look it up.
[06:09] spies8gertrude: I am. Damn you.
[06:09] spies8claude: heh
[06:09] spies8gertrude: But I'm right that they have two different usages.
[06:10] spies8gertrude: Wait, no.
[06:10] spies8gertrude: Ha, I'm right.
[06:10] spies8gertrude: A while is a noun meaning “a length of time”
[06:10] spies8gertrude: “I slept for a while.”
[06:10] spies8gertrude: Awhile is an adverb, meaning “for a time,” or literally, “for a while”.
[06:10] spies8gertrude: “I slept awhile before dinner.”
[06:10] spies8gertrude: Wait, I don't even know anymore.
[06:11] spies8gertrude: Null point.
[06:11] spies8claude: chuckle
[06:13] spies8gertrude: So what board game were you playing earlier?
[06:14] spies8claude: Dominion.
[06:14] spies8claude: I suppose it's actually a card game, not a board game.
[06:14] spies8gertrude: In Dominion, each player starts with an identical, very small deck of cards. In the center of the table is a selection of other cards the players can "buy" as they can afford them. Through their selection of cards to buy, and how they play their hands as they draw them, the players construct their deck on the fly, striving for the most efficient path to the precious victory points by game end.
[06:14] spies8gertrude: That?
[06:15] spies8claude: Yeah.
[06:15] spies8gertrude: Sounds fun.
[06:15] spies8claude: Indeed.
[06:16] spies8gertrude: What time zone do you live in?
[06:16] spies8claude: Arizona.
[06:16] spies8claude: It's 4 here.
[06:16] spies8gertrude: Why are you on at obscene times like mine?
[06:16] spies8gertrude: me*
[06:16] spies8claude: I just have a weird sleeping schedule these days.
[06:17] spies8gertrude: Ah. Me too.
[06:17] spies8claude: I play poker for a living, and right now is the most profitable time, for now.
[06:17] spies8gertrude: Oh wow, that sounds fun.
[06:17] spies8claude: It's stressful, but enjoyable.
[06:17] spies8gertrude: What's your game?
[06:18] spies8claude: I mostly play no limit hold em, of course. I play some omaha high/low for fun though.
[06:18] spies8gertrude: Ah, cool.
[06:18] spies8gertrude: I'll pretend to know what you just said.
[06:18] spies8claude: chuckle
[06:19] spies8gertrude: Texas Hold'em?
[06:19] spies8claude: Just 2 different games.
[06:19] spies8claude: yeah.
[06:19] spies8gertrude: Ok.
[06:19] spies8gertrude: Got it.
[06:19] spies8claude: Just like lady gaga says :-(
[06:19] spies8gertrude: Hahaha.
[06:19] spies8gertrude: You're a fan.
[06:19] spies8claude: Not really.
[06:19] spies8claude: I like 'paparazzi'..but that's it.
[06:19] spies8gertrude: No, you are. And you're in denial.
[06:20] spies8claude: I despise just dance and pokerface.
[06:20] spies8claude: They remind me of everything wrong with music today.
[06:20] spies8gertrude: Haha, aw.
[06:20] spies8gertrude: I have a friend who's an amazing singer.
[06:20] spies8gertrude: She's a blues/crooner kinda singer.
[06:20] spies8claude: Cool.
[06:20] spies8gertrude: She did a cover of Paparazzi by request of me, it sounds amazing.
[06:20] spies8claude: Me too actually..weird.
[06:21] spies8gertrude: You sing?!
[06:21] spies8claude: lol no
[06:21] spies8claude: I have a friend that is a singer, and sings primarly blues style music.
[06:21] spies8gertrude: Ooh.
[06:21] spies8gertrude: I'm sure it's the same girl
[06:21] spies8claude: Seems unlikely.
[06:22] spies8gertrude: You have no romance in your heart.
[06:22] spies8claude: The idea of it being the same girl appeals to me.
[06:22] spies8gertrude:
www.myspace.com/kimberlydeneve[06:22] spies8claude: But I recognize that it is extremely unlikely.
[06:22] spies8claude: yeah so, not the same girl :-P
[06:22] spies8gertrude: You're in denial again.
[06:23] spies8gertrude: Her cover of Hallelujah..
[06:23] spies8gertrude: It's the #1 most played song on my iTunes.
[06:23] spies8claude: Oh, I missed the 'my' in that sentence for a minute
[06:23] spies8claude: I was going to be extremely impressed :-P
[06:23] spies8gertrude: Haha!
[06:23] spies8gertrude: She deserves it.
[06:25] spies8gertrude: How did you hear about Spies?
[06:25] spies8claude: I play mafia on an internet forum, and Sam PM'ed me there.
[06:25] spies8gertrude: Oh, ok.
[06:25] spies8gertrude: So, like, MafiaScum or something?
[06:26] spies8claude: I hate mafiascum, heh.
[06:26] spies8claude: But something like that.
[06:26] spies8gertrude: I've never been.
[06:26] spies8gertrude: I've only heard of it.
[06:30] spies8gertrude: Before today, were you enjoying the game?
[06:30] spies8claude: Mostly..
[06:31] spies8gertrude: I'm sorry to have spoiled that, then. I really am.
[06:31] spies8claude: You really didn't though.
[06:31] spies8claude: That was Sam's doing, and I'll have it out with him when the game is over.
[06:32] spies8gertrude: And I'll be there with popcorn in hand.
[06:32] spies8claude: It will probably be a private message :-P
[06:32] spies8gertrude: What a waste.
[06:33] spies8claude: Or I just won't bother, if this is going to be the last game anyway.
[06:33] spies8claude: The thing I'm starting to figure out, which I wish I'd known before..is that Sam doesn't host these games as a courtesy to people that want to play(which is generally what a mafia host does)
[06:33] spies8claude: He does it for his own amusement.
[06:34] spies8claude: Which means he is going to include stupid crap like chance's role, and plot twists like everyone losing their vote and getting them back via completely arbitrary and random methods.
[06:34] spies8gertrude: I worked hard on that picture.
[06:34] spies8claude: I didn't say otherwise.
[06:34] spies8gertrude: Hahaha.
[06:35] spies8gertrude: You, Claude.
[06:35] spies8gertrude: You're a keeper.
[07:09] spies8gertrude: Ugh.
[07:09] spies8claude: ?
[07:10] spies8gertrude: I'm just..
[07:10] spies8gertrude: not looking forward to telling Chance.
[07:10] spies8claude: tired because you've been up all night?
[07:10] spies8claude: oh..
[07:10] spies8claude: w/e
[07:11] spies8claude: If you didn't tell me, he would have ultimately gotten dead.
[07:11] spies8gertrude: Ha. I actually woke up at 5 PM yesterday. So, I decided to not sleep tonight.
[07:11] spies8gertrude: Or, last night.
[07:11] spies8gertrude: Whatever.
[07:11] spies8gertrude: And yes, I know.
[07:12] spies8gertrude: It's just that he trusts you just as much as you trust him.
[07:12] spies8claude: Yes.
[07:12] spies8claude: Except for one part.
[07:12] spies8gertrude: Hm?
[07:12] spies8claude: People that aren't part of the 'giant mason circle' still trust me.
[07:12] spies8claude: Unlike chance.
[07:12] spies8gertrude: Jenny does.
[07:13] spies8claude: That's it though.
[07:13] spies8gertrude: Kiara does.
[07:13] spies8gertrude: Cinnamyn does.
[07:13] spies8claude: Stop naming likely spies :-(
[07:13] spies8claude: Well, except cinnamyn.
[07:13] spies8claude: And from talking to her, she seemed undecided.
[07:13] spies8gertrude: When was this?
[07:13] spies8claude: IDK
[07:14] spies8claude: Episode 5?
[07:14] spies8claude: She just seemed to want to lynch magalie more.
[07:14] spies8gertrude: Gotcha.
[07:15] spies8gertrude: I don't think Kiara is a
[07:15] spies8gertrude: Spy.&
[07:15] spies8gertrude: She townslipped the other day.
[07:15] spies8claude: How's that?
[07:15] spies8gertrude: You may have been there.
[07:15] spies8claude: I'm always there
[07:15] spies8gertrude: Someone (I think Broderick, though not sure)
[07:15] spies8claude: but frequently not really reading.
[07:15] spies8gertrude: True enough.
[07:16] spies8gertrude: Someone was questioning her about what Cinnamyn pointed about about her doing what her suspect (Tina) asked her to do, which was take her vote off of Allan.
[07:16] spies8gertrude: 1) She did so.
[07:16] spies8gertrude: 2) She wouldn't specifically say why.
[07:17] spies8claude: Not really sure why that's relevant..
[07:17] spies8gertrude: Well, the reason she took her vote off of Allan was because Allan, when I chose to save him, had the same restriction I did.
[07:17] spies8gertrude: He couldn't save someone unless he didn't receive a vote at Exile.
[07:18] spies8claude: I'm still not getting it.
[07:18] spies8gertrude: Hm.
[07:18] spies8gertrude: What don't you get?
[07:18] spies8claude: nevermind
[07:18] spies8claude: I figured it out.
[07:18] spies8gertrude: Kiara said that Tina provided her with a strong reason to switch her vote.
[07:18] spies8claude: yeah yeah
[07:18] spies8claude: I get it.
[07:19] spies8gertrude: That made me like Kiara more.
[07:19] spies8claude: I don't find that to be a tell in Kiara's favor.
[07:19] spies8claude: If She is a Spy and knows he isn't, she's not going to want him to have that ability.
[07:19] spies8claude: The same goes obviously if she is a citizen and legitimately finds him to be a Spy, of course.
[07:19] spies8claude: So I think it's a null point.
[07:19] spies8gertrude: Why?
[07:19] spies8gertrude: She let him keep the ability.
[07:20] spies8gertrude: She changed her vote.
[07:20] spies8claude: Ah nm.
[07:20] spies8claude: I was thinking she moved her vote to someone other than Allan.
[07:20] spies8gertrude: She... did.
[07:20] spies8gertrude: She voted Rondak.
[07:20] spies8claude: sigh
[07:20] spies8claude: these roles confuse me
[07:20] spies8claude: I get it now.
[07:21] spies8claude: I still don't think it's a point for her. If Tina told her about Allan's role and she refused to unvote him..shrug.
[07:21] spies8claude: Or told her that he would have that ability or w/e.
[07:21] spies8gertrude: Right.
[07:21] spies8gertrude: It wasn't that.
[07:21] spies8gertrude: It was the fact that she wouldn't say what it was that Tina told her.
[07:21] spies8gertrude: Even though it would likely put more suspicion on her.
[07:21] spies8claude: Hmm.
[07:22] spies8gertrude: Let me find the quote.
[07:22] spies8claude: You don't have to.
[07:22] spies8claude: I understand the concept.
[07:22] spies8claude: You're saying that she could have allieviated suspicion on herself by just saying 'Tina told me such and such'.
[07:22] spies8gertrude: yes.
[07:22] spies8claude: But she didn't, and instead it only made her look more suspicious.
[07:22] spies8gertrude: Right.
[07:23] spies8claude: It's a good point.
[07:23] spies8claude: IDK if it overcomes the things I don't like about her, but it's something.
[07:23] spies8gertrude: Which is why I'll be pushing for a Zedekiah lynch.
[07:23] spies8gertrude: The fact that he only shows up and speaks when he's in danger is frustrating and scummy.
[07:23] spies8claude: Blah.
[07:23] spies8claude: Why not just lynch Lawrence instead.
[07:24] spies8gertrude: Oh, well.
[07:24] spies8gertrude: I'd be fine with him too.
[07:24] spies8claude: I dunno what to make of Zed.
[07:24] spies8claude: His vote on Magalie still seems like a complete bus to me.
[07:24] spies8gertrude: I'll probably end up voting how Cory and Owen do, though, to keep up the bandwagoning spiel.
[07:25] spies8gertrude: I'm going to try to make sure that's not for Kiara, though.
[07:25] spies8gertrude: I honestly found her to be sincere both at that point, and earlier today.
[07:25] spies8gertrude: When defending herself against Hambone.
[07:26] spies8claude: What if her reason for not talking about the conversation w/ Tina is different?
[07:26] spies8claude: Maybe she took that conversation and reported it back to her spy team, and that is why they killed Tina?
[07:26] spies8gertrude: They killed Tina because Owen was protected and she was the most obvious town.
[07:27] spies8claude: Eh. I thought that Cory was the most obvious town. Or Mary. But okay.
[07:27] spies8gertrude: No.
[07:27] spies8gertrude: Also, Tina was the closest to Owen.
[07:27] spies8gertrude: They trusted each other 150%.
[07:27] spies8gertrude: To be honest, I didn't trust Tina.
[07:27] spies8claude: Shrug, I don't really trust Owen that much, so.
[07:28] spies8gertrude: I fought against the idea of including her in the "giant mason circle" for a long time before giving in.
[07:28] spies8gertrude: I trust Owen.
[07:28] spies8gertrude: More than anyone save Chance.
[07:28] spies8claude: I am inherently suspicious of people that are never wrong, as is apparently the case with Owen.
[07:28] spies8gertrude: Owen voted for Themba over Magalie.
[07:29] spies8claude: So why isn't that a point against him?
[07:29] spies8claude: Especially when Magalie was a Spy.
[07:29] spies8claude: blah
[07:29] spies8claude: It doesn't matter.
[07:29] spies8gertrude: I was just saying, he isn't always right.
[07:29] spies8gertrude: Or never wrong, excuse me.
[07:30] spies8claude: I'm pretty sure that I'm just bad at this chat-based mafia. I'm used to being able to isolate people in forum-based conversations and figure things out, and that is just impossible with chat-based. Too much behind the scenes nonsense like this.
[07:31] spies8gertrude: Hmm.
[07:31] spies8gertrude: I don't have experience with forum Mafia.
[07:31] spies8claude: It's quite a bit different.
[07:32] spies8claude: The only discussion is a group discussion, and it is easy to go back and find things that people have said, look at context, etc. No one i