episode ii conversations

[Chance]

spies8lilith is available 2:41 pm
Finally back! 121d and 3h ago Comment
spies8lilith 2:41 pm
Hey there Chance
How's it going?
spies8chance 2:41 pm
'sup lil. :-)
meh, it's going.
i'm pretty annoyed at the moment.
spies8lilith 2:41 pm
Why?
spies8chance 2:42 pm
because everyone thinks i'm a spy.
mostly for 'spreading false information'.
spies8lilith 2:42 pm
Care to explain?
spies8chance 2:42 pm
it's a playstyle issue, i think, but no one seems to care.
sure.
in a chat early on, mary seemed annoyed with cory in a few things she said.
i interpreted that to mean cory was pushy.
spies8chance 2:43 pm
so i said "mary thinks cory is pushy."
next thing i know mary's all up in arms about 'i didn't say cory was pushy.'
true, technically she didn't, but that's how it seemed to me.
so that's the one.
the other is this mistaken case i made earlier on tina/cory/claude.
well, tina/cory. i still think claude's a spy.
apparently tina said to cory that hal made an odd comment about no-exile.
well, sam didn't post in the thread about a no exile until after teams were decided.
tina and cory are on different teams.
so now i think i've caught a bombshell and start pretty much trumpeting it.
spies8chance 2:45 pm
later on i find out that tina's comment was based on hal's comment which had nothing to do with sam's post - hal made his comment before teams were made, which made tina's and cory's conversation legal.
big oops on my part, and i said as much.
but it's still disseminated down to 'chance spreads false information, he must be a spy'.
and i'm not just annoyed about it, i'm pissed about it. but i was trying to be polite earlier.
talking about it's made me matter, though.
*madder
so that's things in a nutshell.
how was choir?
spies8lilith 2:47 pm
Fantastic
I lack a voice at the moment.
spies8chance 2:47 pm
...real fantastic. :-P
spies8lilith 2:47 pm
Mmhmm, hehehe.
spies8chance 2:47 pm
so as it stands, i'll probably be exiled next.
which pisses me off more than anything since this is the last spies game and i want to play, dammit!
:-(
spies8lilith 2:48 pm
Just keep your cool and play with a level head
As it stands we have, what, 4 more days?
spies8chance 2:49 pm
well, at least i don't think i'll be imprisoned, given the number of votes i got last time.
good job on voting before you left, by the way. i was impressed. :-)
spies8lilith 2:50 pm
Lol, I didn't really vote before I left :-P
spies8chance 2:50 pm
?
spies8lilith 2:50 pm
When I got back, late at night, I logged on to see if I missed anything at work
spies8chance 2:50 pm
oh, so you just voted real fast before exile. gotcha.
either way you didn't get penalties.
spies8lilith 2:50 pm
Sam messaged me and told me I should vote, but if I didn't he wouldn't penalize me
spies8chance 2:50 pm
hahaha.
spies8lilith 2:50 pm
So, yeah XD
spies8chance 2:51 pm
so have you caught up at all?
or is that what you're working on?
spies8lilith 2:51 pm
I'm still working on it
spies8chance 2:51 pm
where are you up to?
spies8lilith 2:51 pm
So far the only people I've talked to are you, claude, and cory
So right now all I have is your three stories
Right now I don't think any of you three are spies, but Cory is the most likely out of the three
spies8chance 2:51 pm
yeah, i noticed yesterday it was just us three on.
spies8lilith 2:51 pm
I WANT to talk to Magalie, Gertrude, and Margot though
spies8chance 2:52 pm
on cory - i had a cit read on him before cam was exiled.
now i'm not so sure.
hal brought up a good point about his vote in the most recent thread he made.
i still really think claude's a spy.
spies8lilith 2:52 pm
Well there's a possibility Claude is a spy
but the second vote in a bandwagon is always the least scummy
bringing a bit of suspicioun off of Cory
What I just can't see is Claude having any spy buddies.
spies8chance 2:53 pm
really?
spies8lilith 2:53 pm
From what I've seen, I can't pair him with anyone.
spies8chance 2:53 pm
i'll admit that's an angle i haven't considered overmuch.
but thinking about it, the claude/cory dynamic from early on was interesting.
spies8chance 2:54 pm
claude was deadly certain cory was a spy (just as 'deadly certain' as he was on cam, actually) and cory just kind of blew it off. also, claude's 'case' on cory was completely overblown and nothing like his case on cam.
now you've got me thinking. :-P
spies8lilith 2:54 pm
Yeah
I talked to Cory about that
Or did I....
spies8chance 2:54 pm
about what exactly?
spies8lilith 2:54 pm
Hold on.
I remember talking to Cory about a case somebody made on somebody else
I think it was the case that Claude made on you
and I said it could be possible distancing by Claude, but it didn't really make much sense
spies8chance 2:56 pm
claude hasn't really made a 'case' on me, to my knowledge.
spies8lilith 2:57 pm
Hmm...
I'm looking through my log file, I can't find it
Maybe it was something I read on the board O.o
spies8lilith 2:58 pm
Yeah, I can't find it
Oh well
spies8chance 2:58 pm
huh.
spies8lilith 2:59 pm
Tell me more about the Claude Cory dynamic
(I think it was just something I read on the board)
spies8chance 2:59 pm
well, at the beginning claude really hated cory.
i remember claude flipped his entire stance on cory after one comment that cory made - something about going to write in his confessional. i found it extremely bizarre, personally. i remember commenting on it, and claude agreed with me, but that was it. he didn't really explain it or anything.
and after all, claude and cory did vote together.
i really think claude's alignment will shed some light on cory's, personally.
spies8lilith 3:01 pm
I never lynch to get information, I let the imprisonments do that for me.
But I do see your point
Would you be able to find the thing that Cory said?
or can you explain better Claude's case?
spies8chance 3:02 pm
to clarify - i don't think we should lynch claude for information, i think we should lynch him because i think he's a spy.
which 'thing' are you talking about? the thing that made claude flip on cory?
claude's case had a lot to do with cory being 'abrasive'.
spies8lilith 3:03 pm
yeah
the thing that made claude flip
spies8chance 3:03 pm
yeah, i'll look for it
i'm sure it's in the spies8democrats chat archives somewhere, hold on
spies8lilith 3:05 pm
k
spies8chance 3:13 pm
god damnit i know he said it.
aha!
it wasn't in my archives, but it was in the group chat.
spies8chance 3:15 pm
spies8claude (4:10:44 PM): I don't think that a Spy would have the foresight to say 'I made comment of it in my confessional'.
spies8claude (4:10:49 PM): It's a very natural though.
spies8claude (4:10:51 PM): thought.
spies8claude (4:10:58 PM): I retract my previous suspicions of you.
my post questioning it is in the same thread.
his response (also in post form) - And yes, I retracted my suspicion of Cory based on one comment. It was a comment that a Spy is simply not likely to make, given the context of the situation.
spies8lilith 3:16 pm
Is Cory's comment in there as well?
spies8chance 3:16 pm
yeah, it's in the same chat.
spies8lilith 3:17 pm
Can you get that for me?
spies8chance 3:17 pm
spies8cory (4:09:58 PM): I know. I made comment of it in my confessional
spies8chance 3:17 pm
i think it's actually in reference to me and how i look 'slimy' for 'avoiding questions' (which also pisses me off)
mainly because the questions in question were pretty rapid-fire and they were all directed at me, so yeah, i may miss one or two. doesn't mean i'm avoiding them.
spies8lilith 3:18 pm
Who was the FIRST person to suspect you
from your recollection
spies8chance 3:18 pm
geez, i've been suspected so long it's hard to remember. :-P
let's see.
it was definitely not claude.
i think it might be mary.
spies8lilith 3:19 pm
Mary voted you am I correct?
spies8chance 3:19 pm
but as i've found out multiple times in this game to my own chagrin, my recollection isn't the best. >.>
yes, you are.
the four votes for me were mary, brod, hal, and...
spies8chance 3:20 pm
hm.
let's see. i remember being pretty surprised about brod's and mary's vote, because mary's announcement of her vote came right before exile, and brod had said "well, i was going to vote chance, but..." so i didn't think he was. but i was pretty sure hal was voting me, and i was pretty sure the other person was... gah, see what i mean about my recollection? :-(
i actually am having to go look it up.
oh right! jas.
spies8lilith 3:21 pm
Alright
How many votes
spies8lilith 3:22 pm
were for CERTAIN on Claude
spies8chance 3:22 pm
yeah, her reason for voting me was pretty bullshit, to be honest.
spies8lilith 3:22 pm
at the beggining of sunday?
spies8chance 3:22 pm
"i don't like all the discussion about hal's comment, i think it was pointless and it bored me, so i'm voting for chance for bringing it up"
at the beginning of sunday it was me, cam, larry for sure. i think 'zac's was sure too but i'm not sure.
i was extremely surprised that cam didn't vote, because she said that she was going to in the voting thread.
spies8chance 3:24 pm
talking to claude in any format is getting me too mad to think straight.
he keeps saying that i've been avoiding questions and keeps reaching out to others to confirm his own 'suspicions' of me.
spies8lilith 3:24 pm
Trust me
If talking with him is fucking with your play
Try to steer clear of him
spies is a game where you can get lynched for saying "How ya doin?" wrong.
Just answer my question
How many votes were for CERTAIN going to be on claude
at the beggining of sunday?
spies8chance 3:25 pm
mine.
larry's.
spies8chance 3:26 pm
cam's.
(or so i thought)
'zac left himself open to change, i believe.
so... i'm going to go with three.
spies8lilith 3:26 pm
Alright
Do you think Claude was in danger of being lycnhed?
lynched*
spies8chance 3:27 pm
yes, i do.
and i also think i was in danger of being lynched.
spies8chance 3:28 pm
so i also think the fact that he went to cin right before exile to try to get her to change her vote to cam or me isn't just self-preservation, it's entirely scummy.
spies8lilith 3:29 pm
Wait a second
What time did he ask Cin this?]
spies8chance 3:29 pm
i don't know. cin brought it up after exile. i think it's in her elephant thread.
spies8lilith 3:29 pm
Because if he asked Cin to do this when only himself and Cory had thier votes for certain on Cam
spies8chance 3:29 pm
let me find it.
spies8lilith 3:30 pm
that would imply that he knew about the two late votes.
before they happened.
spies8chance 3:30 pm
also workin' against claude wuz hiz comment 2 me 1 minute b4 exile:

spies8claude: (10:59:37 PM)Can I convince you to vote for either Chance or Camilla? I strongly believe them both to be scum, and don't really want to have to deal with a 3 way tie.

lookin' shady n' a lot more lyke a last ditch attempt 2 save hisself. so i am curious az 2 wut the rest of yall b thinkin'.
spies8chance 3:30 pm
one minute before exile, apparently.
spies8lilith 3:30 pm
Damn, nevermind.
that would have been VERY telling.
UGH
I need to fucking talk to more people
and none of them are on : /
spies8chance 3:31 pm
yeah, by then marge and gertie had decided to vote for cam in the vote thread.
spies8lilith 3:31 pm
REmember though that self preservation isn't only a spy trait
spies8chance 3:31 pm
i know.
i've defended people for it in the past, actually.
spies8lilith 3:31 pm
Right now
I really want to say that Claude is a spy
but I can't really get any PROOF
just the way he acts
spies8chance 3:32 pm
but in this case i think it's scummy because claude put his life on the line to say that cam was a spy.
'if cam's not a spy, you can lynch me.' that's what he said.
doesn't look very self-preserving of him, does it?
spies8lilith 3:32 pm
Yeah, well I've said that in mafia games as a cit before
The thing that makes this difference is that
I don't think Cam was that definite of a spy
spies8chance 3:32 pm
have you had to vote to save yourself in the same game? :-P
i was the one who defended cam! claude totally twisted her words against her.
spies8lilith 3:33 pm
Eh, it was hammer mafia, not vote tally mafia
spies8chance 3:33 pm
...in fact, i remember gertie agreeing with me.
spies8lilith 3:33 pm
you can't really vote to save yourself.
spies8chance 3:33 pm
hmm.
spies8lilith 3:33 pm
What I could easily see right now though
Is Gertie, Marge, and Claude being spies
Claude being their "Leader" and the other two listening to him
spies8chance 3:34 pm
this was when claude was saying cam's two statements about her voting philosophy were contradictory.
they weren't, but claude kept insisting that they were.
i distinctly remember gertie agreeing with me that they weren't. let me see if i can find it.
spies8lilith 3:34 pm
He does seem to have been making cases on stupid stuff.
spies8chance 3:34 pm
it's short, so i can show you.
spies8chance 3:34 pm
what amazes me is that people bought the case on cam.
spies8lilith 3:34 pm
Well I actually have to go now
(Which is retarded)
But still.
spies8chance 3:34 pm
are you going to be back tonight?
spies8lilith 3:34 pm
Yeah, in about 5 hours
Well, talk to you later
spies8chance 3:35 pm
hey
spies8lilith 3:35 pm
hopefully later I can talk to who I NEED to talk to ><
spies8chance 3:35 pm
i found it real fast
spies8chance (6:43:29 PM):question - are you agreeing with claude or camilla? spies8chance (6:43:38 PM):because if you see a disparity that i don't, please enlighten me. spies8chance (6:43:45 PM):because i'm pretty sure i can see what camilla was saying. spies8gertrude (6:45:12 PM):I think you misunderstood me. spies8gertrude (6:45:51 PM):I meant that I agree with you that there is a difference (read: no contradiction) between the two statements Camilla made.
spies8lilith 3:36 pm
K, thanks for that.
I'm gunna need as much as I can get in the next 3 days
anyway, talk to you later
spies8chance 3:36 pm
bye.

[Chance]

with mags -


spies8magalie is available 3:49 pm
spies8magalie 3:49 pm
how you doin chance and what are you annoyed at?
spies8chance 3:50 pm
well i'm annoyed as i guess you can tell. :-P and as for what i'm annoyed at, i feel like i've kind of been misrepresented.
also i want claude gone. talking to him just rubs me the wrong way anymore.
spies8magalie 3:50 pm
he rubs everyone the wrong way
dont let that shit get to you
spies8chance 3:51 pm
well i think he's a spy. so i'm kind of insulted by the fact that he's trying to get me lynched!
yeah, lil said the same thing when i talked to her earlier.
spies8magalie 3:51 pm
thats what spies do
spies8chance 3:51 pm
what can i say, i'm a hedonist. hedonists are emotional. :-P
what's up with you mags?
spies8magalie 3:51 pm
still tryin to get to know everyone
so chance I got all the time in the world spill what you think no one else understands
spies8chance 3:52 pm
alright let's see.
first off everyone thinks i spread false information.
honestly i'm thinking it's a playstyle issue at this point but i don't think anyone really cares.
because it all started because i said mary thought cory was pushy.
or i said mary said it. i don't even remember at this point.
spies8magalie 3:54 pm
so what if you said that maybe she does
spies8chance 3:54 pm
either way, mary said a couple things like 'cory's ignoring me' which made me think she thought he was pushy.
so that's what i said.
then mary got all up in arms about it - 'i didn't say cory was pushy'
and now basically everyone thinks i'm a liar.
and i'm not.
yeah, i used my own word, but so fucking what?
the other big thing is that timing mistake i made earlier.
which i admitted was a mistake, by the way.
and it happens to have been an honest one.
basically it's that tina talked to cory about hal's comment and i thought, based on sam's post about no-exiles, that it had to have happened illegally.
i was really excited about it. i thought i'd caught at least one spy all by myself.
spies8magalie 3:56 pm
you know when claude and broderik came at me all wrong there was a point when I was like oh shit but then I thought to myself what the fuck are you worried about you are just as much apart of this team as everyone else so I told them to go fuck themselves
spies8chance 3:56 pm
well yeah, but now i'm gonna be exiled over it and this is the last spies game and dammit i want to play!
not be exiled so freaking early.
because at last count, claude, jas, hal, brod, and cin all think i'm suspicious.
and i may be missing some, i don't know.
spies8magalie 4:00 pm
well claude sounds just as much as a spy as you do because you might be a spy but I dont know for sure so if you are i goin to have to fuck you up but so far no one once talked about you except that one night when me and gertie went at it about you and broderick and she didnt want to vote for either of you yet
that I know of
from me
spies8chance 4:01 pm
well in any case i'm not a spy, but thanks. :-P
spies8magalie 4:02 pm
ehh I have to keep my eyes open while on this damn team
spies8chance 4:10 pm
i'm heading out for a while, mags, but it was nice talking to you. :-) thanks for letting me get that off my chest.
spies8magalie 4:11 pm
your welcome

[Chance]

with gertie (<3) -


spies8gertrude is available 5:26 pm
Bow down to the worst Democrat. 120d and 0h ago Comment
spies8chance 5:26 pm
since when are you the worst democrat?
i think i've probably got that title. :-P
spies8gertrude 5:27 pm
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spies8chance 5:27 pm
oh yeah, hal's thread.
well, i'm still 'worse'.
spies8gertrude 5:27 pm
I'm formulating my response to him now.
spies8chance 5:28 pm
i've already said basically all there is to say on his points against me, in my opinion.
'sorry, will do better.'
spies8gertrude 5:28 pm
To be honest, though, I'm a bit relieved about the suspicion.
spies8chance 5:28 pm
i exploded to lil and mags earlier about it and now i feel better. :-P
well, if you're relieved about his suspicion, then you'll just love the question i'm about to ask you. :-P
spies8gertrude 5:29 pm
Shoot.
Oh, my font is gone.
Shoot.*
spies8chance 5:29 pm
do you remember when claude was twisting cam's two comments about her voting philosophy?
spies8gertrude 5:29 pm
Yes.
spies8chance 5:29 pm
you agreed with me that there wasn't a contradiction. remember?
spies8gertrude 5:30 pm
Yes, again.
spies8chance 5:31 pm
that seemed to me like one of the major tenets of claude's case. so i'm curious as to why you switched your vote to cam, since you completely disagreed with one of the major points of the case against her.
spies8gertrude 5:31 pm
Lynching someone because they're unhelpful despite their alignment IS different than lynching someone who is unhelpful who you think is a Citizen.
And I'll be glad to answer that.
Since it's kind of what I'm doing in Awohali's post.
spies8chance 5:32 pm
so are you now saying that there /was/ a contradiction?
spies8gertrude 5:32 pm
No!
I'm still agreeing.
They're different.
hence "IS different"
spies8chance 5:32 pm
because i don't consider that to be what cam said. :-(
spies8gertrude 5:32 pm
It isn't?
spies8chance 5:33 pm
didn't she say 'regardless of alignment'?
i don't remember saying 'someone who you think is a citizen'.
spies8gertrude 5:33 pm
Well that's the first part.
spies8chance 5:33 pm
i took it to mean 'even if they end up being a citizen'. which isn't the same thing.
spies8gertrude 5:33 pm
My understanding was that she would be ok with the first option
and not with the second
and Claude was saying they were the same thing
spies8chance 5:34 pm
hold on, let me get what she actually said. maybe one of us is misremembering. :-P
spies8gertrude 5:34 pm
I'm not sure how we're disagreeing, to be honest.
I feel like we're saying the same thing..
spies8chance 5:34 pm
wait.
now i'm confused.
spies8gertrude 5:35 pm
Let me try again.
spies8chance 5:35 pm
okay. i think i see what you're saying now, and i was confused.
spies8chance 5:35 pm
cam agreed with the first and disagreed with the second.
spies8gertrude 5:35 pm
Yes!
spies8chance 5:35 pm
okay, got it. :-P
spies8gertrude 5:35 pm
Phew.
spies8chance 5:35 pm
but that doesn't answer my question.
spies8gertrude 5:35 pm
Right.
I will.
Can I finish my post to Awohali first?
Or..
Never mind.
Ok.
spies8chance 5:36 pm
sure, go right ahead.
spies8gertrude 5:36 pm
I never said that I was changing my vote to Camilla because of Claude's case on her. And I never said that I agreed with that specific point of Claude's (in fact, as you say, I disagreed with it)
spies8chance 5:37 pm
what you said was that you were changing your vote to her because you agreed with what 'people' had said about her more than you suspected marge.
spies8gertrude 5:37 pm
However, I did agree with the fact that the things she was saying were just piggybacking (bandwagoning, I believve the term is) on what other people were saying.
spies8chance 5:37 pm
does 'people' =/= 'claude'?
spies8gertrude 5:37 pm
And that is what I was referring to.
spies8chance 5:37 pm
you're referring to the 50/50 comment regarding cory, right?
spies8gertrude 5:37 pm
Um.. No..?
Maybe? I'm not sure what that is.
Let me finish my post, I guess.
What I'm specifically talking about
spies8chance 5:38 pm
okay, sure.
spies8gertrude 5:38 pm
is her post in Cinnamyn's thread.
But I'll go into that.
spies8chance 5:39 pm
HoMeGrL gOt SuM qUeScHiNz.!, right?
test.
spies8gertrude 5:39 pm
Yes.
spies8chance 5:39 pm
okay, my font didn't die.
spies8gertrude 5:39 pm
That.
spies8chance 5:42 pm
i'm assuming you're talking about her big 'thoughts' post, but i'll wait for you to respond to hal. :-)
spies8gertrude 5:42 pm
Almost done!
spies8gertrude 5:49 pm
Posted.
spies8chance 5:49 pm
i'm having to respond to brod, now.
apparently there's a question i failed to answer somewhere in the transcript.
apparently i 'sidetracked it'.
spies8gertrude 5:50 pm
Ah.
spies8chance 5:52 pm
okay, so besides finding cam's post suspicious because it looked like she was bandwagony, your main reason for voting for cam was because you were afraid of claude flipping spy if you voted him, because you kind of agreed with him about cam?
spies8gertrude 5:53 pm
I forgot to mention this.

Another reason I switched my vote was because, to me, it's useless to vote for someone who has no chance of being Exiled. Why would I waste my vote on Margot if Claude, Chance, or Camilla were clearly the people in danger of being Exiled. I'd rather have my opinion matter than a Spy's, so I picked one of the three. I picked the person who I felt both was scummiest and also least helpful in terms of hunting.
And no, I would disagree that that was my main reason.
spies8chance 5:54 pm
that's a fair point, and one i can agree with.
spies8gertrude 5:57 pm
Yay.
spies8chance 5:59 pm
i'm tired of having to defend myself over crap. i hope that's not a sentiment you consider 'spyish', but it's true. sigh.
spies8gertrude 5:59 pm
Amen, sister.
spies8chance 5:59 pm
hahaha.
spies8chance 6:02 pm
i almost wish i was a spy, at this point. at least i might have someone defending me. as it is, it's just pick pick pick pick pick all the time about pointless things that i consider myself to have already explained, and i'm probably still going to be exiled over it. it's depressing.
spies8gertrude 6:02 pm
Aw, Chance.
I confiscated a student's iPod 5 times, and on the fifth time, I keep it.
spies8chance 6:03 pm
i ranted about it to lil and mags earlier, separately. i'm past anger and into self-effacing depression at this point. :-P
spies8gertrude 6:03 pm
I found a song that was...
Not exactly good, but the message was nice.
spies8gertrude 6:04 pm
I found a cute anime video to go along with it, too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMpxDKpEF_w
spies8chance 6:04 pm
hahaha. thanks, gertie.
spies8chance 6:10 pm
does imprisonment start in fifty minutes?
spies8gertrude 6:10 pm
I believe so, yes.
spies8chance 6:34 pm
well, i'm thinking i don't have to worry about it.
:-P
spies8gertrude 6:34 pm
Nor do I.
spies8gertrude 6:36 pm
[19:34] spieschatcamera: has joined the chat
Is that... normal?
spies8chance 6:36 pm
which chat?
and can i get an invite?
spies8gertrude 6:36 pm
Democrats.
spies8chance 6:36 pm
and i wouldn't know if it's normal or not.
but i haven't seen it before.
spies8gertrude 6:38 pm
What.
Really?
spies8chance 6:38 pm
Really.
spies8chance 6:59 pm
brod likes people to reiterate things.
i've noticed this.
spies8gertrude 6:59 pm
It's so superfluous.
spies8chance 6:59 pm
i know.
spies8gertrude 6:59 pm
I COULD just copy/paste what I said in the chat, but what good would that do?
spies8chance 7:00 pm
none.
spies8gertrude 7:18 pm
Lucky bastard.
spies8chance 7:18 pm
i figured as much. i'm just going to be exiled next, why imprison me?
not going to lie, i'm pretty freaking relieved right now.
spies8gertrude 7:45 pm
I would be too.
spies8chance 7:46 pm
and it's kind of a morale boost, too - at least someone out there thinks i'm not a spy!
spies8gertrude 7:46 pm
Either that..
or the Spies want you safe.
spies8chance 7:47 pm
hm. the only reason i can think of that that might be true is that they're saving me for a later exile... in which case i feel insulted.
spies8chance 7:47 pm
for the sake of my mood i'm going to have to go with option one for now. :-P
spies8gertrude 7:47 pm
Actually.
I have a hunch for the first time ever!
spies8chance 7:47 pm
ooh, what is it?
spies8gertrude 7:47 pm
Unfortunately it's about you.
spies8chance 7:48 pm
you're not going to ruin my newfound good mood, are you? :-(
spies8gertrude 7:48 pm
Well, maybe.
spies8chance 7:48 pm
sigh. well, let's hear it.
spies8gertrude 7:48 pm
I have a hunch about you, but not necessarily that you're a spy.
spies8chance 7:48 pm
my head is tilting to the left in confusing, just so you know.
*confusion
fixed it myself.
spies8gertrude 7:49 pm
Hang on for a bit.
spies8chance 7:50 pm
hanging on.
spies8gertrude 7:53 pm
Alrighty.
So I checked with someone about this hypothetical situation.
And they say to approach the person (you) privately, and not via the Burg.
spies8chance 7:54 pm
interesting. go on?
spies8gertrude 7:54 pm
K so.
Here's my thought.
spies8gertrude 7:55 pm
Day 2 or so.
You came to me with an idea, no?
spies8chance 7:55 pm
yeah, the voting thing.
spies8gertrude 7:55 pm
Yes.
And I said something like, "be careful, people might think you have a role that requires you to get in the minority of the vote."
And you, since then, have been in the minority of the vote.
And are now immune from Exile.
So I'm thinking you could possibly have a role that dictates you being Immune from Exile if you receive votes at the previous one.
spies8gertrude 7:57 pm
But if you do, I have no idea which alignment it is.
If any.
spies8chance 7:58 pm
....you're close. and please keep this between us, would you? i'm entirely trusting that you're not a spy when i say this.
spies8gertrude 7:58 pm
Ok.
I'm not.
spies8chance 7:59 pm
hahaha, we're not going into the wifom there. but given the enormity of suspicion i'm under i really feel like i should tell someone, and since you deduced this much, if you're a spy all your spy buddies already know this, so i'm not really losing anything by telling you, i don't think.
at least, that's the reasoning i'm going to point to if you imprison me over it.
:-)
deep breath. okay. yes, i have a role.
spies8gertrude 7:59 pm
Exciting!
spies8chance 7:59 pm
and yes, it does require me to get at least one vote at exile.
it's a little more powerful than just me being immune from exile, though.
spies8gertrude 7:59 pm
Wait.
Let me guess.
spies8gertrude 8:00 pm
Wait, no.
Nevermind.
Wait.
Wait.
spies8chance 8:00 pm
waiting.
spies8gertrude 8:00 pm
As you go through Exiles receiving votes...
You get to make more people Immune from Exile?
spies8chance 8:00 pm
not quite so complicated, unfortunately, because that'd be cool.
spies8gertrude 8:00 pm
Ha.
It was worth a shot.
Then, what?
spies8chance 8:01 pm
as long as i receive at least one vote at exile, i can make any one person immune from the next exile.
spies8gertrude 8:01 pm
Ah.
spies8chance 8:01 pm
and yes, i got spooked into choosing myself.
spies8gertrude 8:01 pm
I'm not surprised.
spies8chance 8:01 pm
and yes, i realize it's counterproductive since now i won't be able to use my power at exile 3.
spies8gertrude 8:01 pm
No, I would've used it on myself, as well.
spies8gertrude 8:02 pm
If I were you, I mean
spies8chance 8:02 pm
you're the only person that knows my role now. :-)
spies8gertrude 8:02 pm
Wow.
Can I ask something?
spies8chance 8:02 pm
sure.
spies8gertrude 8:02 pm
What is it called? Ha.
spies8chance 8:04 pm
alright, i'm fighting with myself now. i really want to lie, because it sounds so evil. but i figure since i've told you everything else i might as well go whole hog on the matter.
spies8chance 8:04 pm
my role is called the devil. so named, i'm hoping, because people have to (apparently) notice my devilish nature and vote me for it for my power to activate.
spies8gertrude 8:05 pm
Wow.
And it's a town role?
spies8chance 8:05 pm
yes.
please please please don't be a spy.
spies8gertrude 8:06 pm
I'm not.
spies8chance 8:06 pm
i am not going to let claude ruin my good mood.
i'm not.
and can you really blame me? come on.
spies8gertrude 8:08 pm
For what?
spies8chance 8:08 pm
biting back.
spies8gertrude 8:08 pm
No.
I cannot.
I find myself restraining.
Occasionally.
spies8chance 8:08 pm
um.
i was just informed by sam that i'm not going to be able to vote at exile 2.
spies8gertrude 8:09 pm
Well, damn.
spies8chance 8:09 pm
he said he'll announce it at exile 2 and i won't be penalized for not voting.
and it's apparently the result of a role.
which i find interesting considering it's a sure thing that my vote was going to be for claude.
i kind of want to bring this public. what do you think?
spies8gertrude 8:10 pm
I would.
spies8chance 8:12 pm
and did.
spies8gertrude 8:12 pm
You are now masons with Chance.
LOL.
Ok, awesome.
spies8chance 8:12 pm
SERIOUSLY?
:-D :-D :-D
spies8gertrude 8:12 pm
Here's the part where I claim to you.
You're the devil.
spies8chance 8:12 pm
freaking yes! :-D
spies8gertrude 8:12 pm
I'm the angel.
spies8chance 8:13 pm
oh thank god i didn't lie to you.
i was going to claim to be the angel.
spies8gertrude 8:13 pm
Hahahaha
Yes, that would've been a mistake
spies8chance 8:13 pm
this is so freaking amazing i can't stand it.
spies8gertrude 8:13 pm
Agreed.
Would you like to know my power?
spies8chance 8:14 pm
of course. :-D
spies8gertrude 8:14 pm
Well.
The reason I asked if you got to prevent more people from being exiled
was that I can prevent people from being imprisoned.
spies8chance 8:14 pm
aha.
spies8gertrude 8:14 pm
I'm not allowed to c/p, right?
spies8chance 8:14 pm
right.
spies8gertrude 8:14 pm
Ok.
Lemme give you the run-down.
I am the angel.
I get to make people be Immune from Imprisonment.
However
I'm like all innocent or some shit,
spies8gertrude 8:15 pm
so if I receive a vote at Exile, I can't work my magic.
But.
The longer I continue to not receive votes
The more people I can prevent from being Imprisoned.
Also I can't save myself.
spies8chance 8:16 pm
i can. maybe i'm just more selfish than you.
:-P
spies8gertrude 8:17 pm
Hence you being the devil.
Also, FINALLY I get to show someone this cute banner I made.
spies8gertrude 8:17 pm
Oh, nvm.
No I can't
spies8chance 8:18 pm
aww. :-(
spies8gertrude 8:18 pm
It has my real name on it.
spies8chance 8:18 pm
why not?
oh.
blur it out?
spies8gertrude 8:18 pm
Yes, in a bit.
spies8chance 8:19 pm
yay.
i'm confessionalizing my joy right now. hehehe.
spies8gertrude 8:19 pm
We also get a private forum.
I'm so happy.
spies8chance 8:19 pm
me too. :-D
thank you so much for declining.
spies8gertrude 8:19 pm
Pft.
As a teacher, I'm poor.
spies8gertrude 8:20 pm
But I'm not THAT poor.
spies8chance 8:20 pm
i know, that was kind of my reaction as well.
seven fifty or a game changing connection?
gee i wonder.
spies8chance 8:24 pm
what do you think about claude's roleclaim?
spies8gertrude 8:24 pm
I think I said BRB for a reason. ?: (
>: ( *
spies8chance 8:24 pm
oh, sorry!
spies8gertrude 8:24 pm
Ha, only kidding.
spies8chance 8:24 pm
don't smite me with your angelic powers!
spies8gertrude 8:24 pm
But seriously, I'm a bit distracted.
spies8gertrude 8:31 pm
I think he might actually be town, as much as I know you'll hate to hear it.
spies8chance 8:32 pm
ugh. i do hate to hear it, but i don't know.
there's a lot against him.
spies8gertrude 8:36 pm
By the way.
In case I forget to
Please save this conversation.
spies8chance 8:36 pm
my archive is on and i'm going to be putting it in my confessional.
:-)
spies8gertrude 8:37 pm
Awesome.
I'm on meebo, so sometimes I forget to save the important ones.
spies8chance 8:37 pm
gotcha.
spies8gertrude 8:38 pm
By the way
When you told me your vote was blocked
It was right after this
[21:05] spies8gertrude: I AM SO GOOD.
[21:06] sorintheseeker: how so?
[21:07] spies8gertrude: The devil claimed to the angel
[21:10] spies8gertrude: I didn't do that, did i?!!
[21:10] spies8gertrude: Nvm
[21:10] spies8gertrude: I didn't.
I freaked.
spies8chance 8:39 pm
XD
hehehe.
spies8gertrude 8:39 pm
Aliasslip.
spies8chance 8:39 pm
what do you mean?
spies8gertrude 8:40 pm
Ha, I was joking.
I've never seen you do "XD" before
spies8chance 8:40 pm
well, even it was, at least you aren't going to accuse me.
:-P
spies8gertrude 8:40 pm
I should, though.
Out of principle.
spies8chance 8:40 pm
and i've been trying to avoid doing it.
noooo.
ooooh... wait a second.
maybe you should.
that would count as me getting a vote, right?
spies8gertrude 8:40 pm
No, I don't think it counts.
Because.
spies8gertrude 8:41 pm
Oh, wait.
I dunno.
Maybe it does.
but that's abusing the system.
I'd like to avoid that.
spies8chance 8:41 pm
no, it doesn't, and i can see why.
sam wouldn't want to reward someone who revealed their alias.
spies8chance 8:57 pm
of course i can rant to you privately. unless you'd rather i didn't.
spies8gertrude 8:57 pm
Ha.
By all means.
spies8chance 8:58 pm
thanks.
i don't suppose we have our own forum yet, do we?
spies8gertrude 9:00 pm
Nope!
spies8chance 9:00 pm
aw.
spies8chance 9:08 pm
fairly good attempt at being civil, don't you think?
spies8gertrude 9:09 pm
woah
Close call there.
I was like..
spies8chance 9:09 pm
oh, i knew what i was saying.
spies8gertrude 9:09 pm
"Ahhhhhhhhhhh"
spies8chance 9:09 pm
i wasn't about to claim.
spies8chance 9:10 pm
where's your buddy icon?
spies8gertrude 9:11 pm
img205.imageshack.us/img205/4108/forchancewithlove.jpg
I don't know how to have it.
spies8chance 9:12 pm
i absolutely adore it and am requesting one for myself.
:-P
spies8gertrude 9:12 pm
rofl
I am bad with images.
But I will try.
spies8chance 9:12 pm
yay!
i'd put it at the top of each of my "episode 1" "episode II" topics.
spies8gertrude 9:13 pm
That's what I do.
Ha.
spies8chance 9:13 pm
also can i have the word 'devilish' like you have the word 'angelic'.
:-D
spies8gertrude 9:13 pm
Of course it'll be different.
spies8chance 9:14 pm
well yeah.
spies8chance 9:14 pm
i just meant as an example. you have the word 'angelic', and it's funny because of your role.
so i'd like the word 'devilish'.
:-D
spies8gertrude 9:15 pm
Ok!
spies8chance 9:15 pm
lil?
she... hm.
spies8gertrude 9:15 pm
dont.
I repeat.
Do not.
spies8chance 9:15 pm
yeah, i'm not.
spies8chance 9:22 pm
uhhhh, didn't she know before that?
spies8gertrude 9:22 pm
No, I don't think so.
It wasn't very clear.
spies8chance 9:22 pm
oh, maybe not.
spies8chance 9:24 pm
see, there i go again. i need to stop doing that, it's the same thing with cory/tina.
i was sure i had something for a second.
well, lil is certainly wrong about that.
spies8gertrude 9:26 pm
Only sorta.
She said unless it was you.
spies8chance 9:27 pm
yeah.
spies8gertrude 9:27 pm
And me!
spies8chance 9:27 pm
<3
spies8chance 9:33 pm
well, at least my play wasn't terrible.
why would it change everything, do you think?
i'd just come underfire for my own role being a "spy role" and saving myself.
spies8gertrude 9:39 pm
?
spies8chance 9:40 pm
lil saying me revealing that i immuned myself would change everything.
spies8gertrude 9:40 pm
Right.
She's silly.
spies8chance 9:40 pm
heh.
her silliness is going to get me lynched.
spies8gertrude 9:41 pm
Not really.
spies8chance 9:43 pm
not today, obviously.
hey, who do you think you're going to use your imprisonment immunity on?
how many can you make immune right now?
spies8gertrude 9:43 pm
None.
I got votes.
spies8chance 9:43 pm
aw, eff, i forgot.
spies8gertrude 9:43 pm
It depends on if people vote me today.
spies8chance 9:44 pm
four for me, three for claude, four for cam + herself, one for marge... oh yeah, mags voted you.
spies8gertrude 9:44 pm
As well as the Accusation.
spies8chance 9:44 pm
yes.
that wasn't me, by the way.
what i'm afraid of now is that whoever accused you will tell others and you'll be swamped by accusation votes.
spies8gertrude 9:45 pm
Right.
Do you think you know who I am?
spies8chance 9:46 pm
i don't know why you would. unless you're a spies vet and think i'm one.
why i would*
spies8gertrude 9:46 pm
I'm not a Spies vet.
spies8chance 9:48 pm
neither am i.
so no, i wouldn't know who you are. :-)
i hope we can be friends after the game though!
spies8gertrude 9:48 pm
We will.
Unless I hate you.
h
spies8chance 9:48 pm
please don't hate me for my devilish ways. :-(
also you should make a dual banner for our forum. :-D
spies8gertrude 9:49 pm
I was planning on it, ha.
Do you have bigger pictures?
spies8chance 9:49 pm
whoooo.
spies8chance 9:49 pm
of myself, no. i'll ask sam if he can find some. the picture i gave sam wasn't chop-up-able, so he picked this one.
i liked mine better, but eh.
spies8gertrude 9:49 pm
Ah.
spies8chance 9:52 pm
i think lil could be a spies vet. but i don't really like to metagame.
based on spies7 this and spies7 that.
spies8gertrude 9:53 pm
Yeah.
spies8chance 9:56 pm
i need to put up my case on claude.
right now it's all in my head.
but claude has done so much that i think is spyish.... gah.
spies8gertrude 9:56 pm
ehhh
spies8chance 9:57 pm
you think i shouldn't push it?
spies8gertrude 9:57 pm
I'd rather push a Margot lynch.
Or jasmine, even.
spies8chance 9:57 pm
i could go for a jas lynch.
spies8gertrude 9:57 pm
Or even Lilith or Mag.
spies8chance 9:57 pm
and this seems like spyish thinking, so it's a good thing you know i'm not one, but if claude's alive when exile 3 rolls around i'm pretty sure i'm gone.
he's not going to back down on me.
spies8gertrude 9:58 pm
Rofl @ Mary's last quote.
spies8chance 9:58 pm
hehehe.
spies8chance 10:04 pm
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=burg&thread=387&page=1
spies8gertrude 10:04 pm
Love it.
spies8chance 10:05 pm
:-D
honestly i know how she feels.
spies8gertrude 10:08 pm
Ha.
spies8chance 10:13 pm
i honestly think claude's a spy.
his role has many more uses for a spy than a cit.
plus all the crap he put cam through.
and now suspects marge based on her vote for cam.
spies8gertrude 10:14 pm
Ok, then say so!
spies8chance 10:14 pm
and all the twisting he's done against me.
spies8chance 10:14 pm
i have. multiple times. doesn't look like it's doing any good.
spies8gertrude 10:15 pm
I mean
Post your case.
spies8chance 10:19 pm
i plan to.
however, i have to be at work in six hours.
night night mason buddy. <3
spies8gertrude 10:29 pm
Good night!!

[Chance]

with hal -

spies8chance 9:14 pm
hi hal. i'm working on my claude case, but i was waiting for you to get on because i wanted to show you something.
Spies8Awohali 9:14 pm
Osiyo, Chance. You have my interest now.
spies8chance 9:14 pm
while i go get it, could you please explain why this statement isn't contradictory?
Personally I would find it more likely for a Spy to out his role so early in the game, in an Episode where he was in danger of being voted out, knowing that he has bought himself time. He has bought himself some time, and I think it would be unwise to vote him for a few rounds, even.
okay, got it.
this subject is dead and buried as far as i'm concerned, but while i was looking through the chats putting together my case on claude, i found that someone did actually say cory was pushy -
spies8claude: (11:06:03 PM)Being pushy against someone you think is a spy does not equate to being a spy
spies8claude: (11:06:17 PM)Being pushy for no reason other than the sake of doing so implies ulterior motives.
Spies8Awohali 9:16 pm
I believe I see the point of this question. I find it more likely for a Spy to out his role, because in my mind, outing a Citizen role publically instead of to a few people is suicide. Spies could Imprison at their leisure. However, I still am reluctant to vote for Claude, even if it could be a Spy ploy, because Claude does not see the game the same way I do, in fact, in many ways he sees it oppositely.
Spies8Awohali 9:16 pm
So there is the mysterious origin of the pushy Cory myth/
spies8chance 9:16 pm
also, this -
spies8claude (10:57:01 PM): Earlier, you said that you thought Cory was really pushy towards you..can you explain that?
spies8mary (10:57:26 PM): I said he called me Bloody Mary right off the bat.
spies8mary (10:57:40 PM): And I said that after we stopped talking
spies8mary (10:57:50 PM): And Jasmine said I thought he was rude
i think this implies that mary did indeed think cory was pushy, the way she responds to claude.
i'm not going to make a big deal out of it, but i knew you still thought i was spreading false information.
Spies8Awohali 9:18 pm
Indeed, and now that you have backed this up, I will adjust my thoughts on the matter accordingly. I think t would be good to clarify from Mary what she felt, but at any rate, Claude is shown saying Cory is pushy.
spies8chance 9:19 pm
okay. i'm going to work on my claude case some more, it's almost done.
Spies8Awohali 9:19 pm
I am interested to see it. I hope you are aware that because of his role claim, he probably will not go this round, though, regardless of a case.
spies8chance 9:20 pm
i figure as much, but i was promised that people would at least consider my reasons, so i can't in good conscience not put them up. i did ask to be heard, after all. :-P
Spies8Awohali 9:20 pm
Indeed, and I will also consider any case that you post.
spies8chance 9:35 pm
okay, done.
it's up now.
can i ask why the simple fact that claude seems to see the game different than you makes you wary of voting for him?
Spies8Awohali 9:36 pm
I shall read it soon. I am almost done responding to my Count Down thread.
I would like to understand his viewpoint, lest his differing views cloud my judgment.
I believe you have an extensive case here, Chance.
spies8chance 9:59 pm
thanks. i actually tried really hard. what took the longest was the doublechecking to make sure i actually had everything the way claude actually said it.
i'd hate for my case to drown in a sea of semantics.
Spies8Awohali 10:00 pm
I can tell that a great deal of effort was put into it, and I appreciate that you verified your information.
spies8chance 10:01 pm
that actually makes me feel pretty good, especially after the crap couple days i've had. thanks, hal. :-)
Spies8Awohali 10:01 pm
It is no problem; you have earned a bit of praise for this case, after all. It is, of course, not a closed case, but there are relevant points.