Episode 3: Conversations with Or-e-gone

[Broderick]

[Broderick]

spies8gabriel (18:17:51) has entered the room.
spies8lilith (18:17:51) has entered the room.
spies8stephanie (18:17:51) has entered the room.
spies8tina (18:17:51) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (18:17:51) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (18:18:3): Hi
spies8tina (18:18:4): Never even noticed that you came online there.
spies8tina (18:18:40): So anyway, what is the story with the newcomers? Apart from the obvious lil being replaced.
spies8gabriel (18:19:8): youre like the only one ive gotten a chance to talk to. D: new lil hasnt even come back yet ;_;
spies8broderick (18:19:9): I haven't met the old or new Lilith yet.
spies8broderick (18:19:45): Lawrence and Isaac were pretty big lurkers during the first episode, especially in the group chats.
spies8tina (18:19:46): I met new-lil briefly.
spies8kiara (18:19:52) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (18:19:56): Though both have gotten a little bit better on that.
spies8kiara (18:19:59): hiya!!!
spies8broderick (18:20:3): Hi!
spies8gabriel (18:20:20): hey kiara!!
spies8kiara (18:20:48): yay new people!
spies8tina (18:20:55): So we are getting a crew of people who no one knows anyone about?
spies8kiara (18:20:56): hi broderick, lillith
spies8stephanie (18:21:15): so even tho isaac was a lurker?
spies8stephanie (18:21:29): you think jasmine is more suspicious?
spies8broderick (18:22:6): Yeah I think Jasmine has the most suspicious things against her out of everyone that came over with me. Which is Lawrence, Isaac, and Jasmine that I've actually spoken to.
spies8tina (18:22:30): What would those things be?
spies8broderick (18:23:37): Jasmine apparently doesn't care about arguments/cases against another person, if it doesn't involve her in some way. I was reading one of the group chats that I missed, and she was asked to read something. But she couldn't be bothered to.
spies8broderick (18:24:19): She makes statements as if she is extremely certain on them, when asked to elaborate or explain, she struggles.
spies8broderick (18:25:20): A little over twenty minutes before the first Exile, I FoS'd Jasmine, Margot, and Gertrude for bandwagoning. Margot answered my questions, Gertrude explained her vote, and Jasmine said nothing until about five minutes before the exile.
spies8broderick (18:25:37): She started yelling at me at how stupid it was. I thought it was fishy for her to overreact to an FoS.
spies8stephanie (18:26:51): and you voted chance?
spies8broderick (18:27:26): The first exile I did. The second I voted for Jasmine.
spies8tina (18:27:54): If chance was not immune what do you think you would have done?
spies8gabriel (18:28:2): 'cause chance wasn't available for exile? *see what tina said*
spies8broderick (18:29:39): I'm not entirely sure. I think it would depend on whether or not things went the same as they did.
spies8broderick (18:30:2): Part of me thinks the Chance and Claude could be two citizens who are tunneled on each other, because they simply can not stand the other.
spies8broderick (18:30:14): Both have made statements that they would like the other to go, regardless of alignment.
spies8broderick (18:31:27): I think I still would of voted for Jasmine, because she piqued my suspicions due to her overreaction right before the first exile.
spies8tina (18:32:24): Do you have any questions for what is happening on this side?
spies8stephanie (18:32:34): so the first exile, camilla imploded with the self votes, but did you all know that was going to happen?
spies8broderick (18:33:55): No. No one had any idea that she would get penalties. She was pretty active before the exile day.
spies8broderick (18:34:41): I haven't had a chance to read all of the Republican threads yet.
spies8stephanie (18:34:46): so chance was a likely exile
spies8gabriel (18:34:48): can you tell us more about what lead up to margots exile?
spies8broderick (18:34:52): What happened with Alexei and Savannah?
spies8broderick (18:35:20): Chance, Claude, and Camilla were pretty much neck and neck up to the exile. I think they all three had a decent shot of going.
spies8gabriel (18:35:51): savannah... idk. she screamed spy to me. walked like a spy, talked like a spy. claimed a cit role to me after she was exiled. flipped citizen. im still kinda peeved about that
spies8broderick (18:36:54): Claude revealed in a chat the he had blocked Chance's vote. I had a pretty rotten schedule for this episode. Margot got into the spotlight, I think partly because of my FoS which pointed out both her and Gertrude's votes.
spies8broderick (18:37:14): The light was on both of them, same with Claude as usual. Chance was in it, even though he was blocked.
spies8gabriel (18:37:33): so who in particular rode the margot vote.
spies8broderick (18:38:34): I think the majority of the Democrat's had Margot, Gertrude, and Isaac some where on their lists of suspicions. Gertrude less so than Margot and Isaac. I'm unsure as to exactly where Isaac came from.
spies8broderick (18:39:6): I think Margot was more than Gertrude because Margot seemed to deflect on to Gertrude.
spies8tina (18:39:19): Do you know what the suspicion is about regardling Isaac?
spies8broderick (18:40:22): For some people I think it has to do with a chat during episode one. It was a heated argument between Claude and Camilla. With a side of Chance. Isaac would randomly pipe in with his two cents.
spies8tina (18:40:54): Original or just following popular opinion.
spies8broderick (18:41:20): Cinnamyn was on Margot from the first episode. Magalie I'm sure was just bandwagoning on popular opinion.
spies8broderick (18:42:41): I think one or two people had the original opinion, then it turned into popular. I think the largest issue with the Democrats was that a few people would voice suspicions, or something would be brought up about someone or multiple people. The others would feed off of that. They wouldn't look elsewhere, they would find their suspects from whom was already in the light. Or had something said about them.
spies8broderick (18:42:59): I'm unsure as to where exactly the suspicion of Isaac stemmed from.
spies8tina (18:43:29): Well if he was quiet and started coming in with what was on a whole the popular opinion, that sound a whole lot like Alexei.
spies8broderick (18:43:38): Gertrude I think was on Margot, mostly as an OMGUS. A pity we aren't on the same team together, because I find it odd that she is the only Democrat to be on both lynch wagons.
spies8gabriel (18:44:14): what about cory. and the other loud obnoxious people over there.
spies8tina (18:44:33): Yes, welcome to our calm and collected side in advance.
spies8broderick (18:44:37): Lawrence and Jasmine I think bandwagoned on Margot. Lawrence is one of those people I believe who finds their suspects in the limelight.
spies8broderick (18:45:3): Haha. I was dearly hoping that Chance, Claude, and Jasmine would be broken up. If chance and Claude were not, I didn't want to be on that team. lol
spies8broderick (18:45:14): Cory was rather quiet for episode two.
spies8gabriel (18:45:33): odd 'cause he always struck me as the sort whod have to get his word in edgewise
spies8gabriel (18:45:52): or at least thats the impression i got 'cause he was always an abrassive prick come exile time
spies8broderick (18:45:58): It was mainly Chance/Claude/Jasmine who held the light in the group chats. Chance and Claude would fight a lot. Chance and Jasmine would, not to the degree of Chance/Claude.
spies8gabriel (18:46:52): poor nita i hope she can talk some sense into the dems
spies8broderick (18:46:58): I think he is normally quiet, almost a watcher rather than a participator. I think if the whole mess of the first episode had never happened - then I doubt he would of been noticed.
spies8broderick (18:47:30): Episode two, people were trying to turn the focus on the more quiet players.
spies8broderick (18:48:6): Heh. Tina even got spotlight action over there. lol
spies8stephanie (18:48:21): tina??
spies8broderick (18:48:38): Yeah.
spies8gabriel (18:48:55): who put focus onto tina?
spies8broderick (18:49:3): A whole mess. lol
spies8tina (18:49:10): I saw that, it is because he is an idiot who took a lot of what I said out of context.
spies8gabriel (18:49:26): i mean.
spies8gabriel (18:49:36): who??? who put tina in the spotlight over there?
spies8broderick (18:50:11): It got out that Cory and Tina apparently had a conversation about Awohali. Awohali made a comment about no exiles after the opener's chat. I would have to go back to see who exactly said it. But apparently Tina was suspicious of Awohali for supporting no exiles.
spies8tina (18:50:20): spies8tina (10:58:29 PM):Well ok, I was right about someone mentioning it, just out of contextspies8tina (10:59:26 PM):Either way, that guy is very new, and that is a lot coming from me, or is doing a great job faking it.spies8tina (11:00:01 PM):I think it doesn't matter much though. It does not seem like it was a serious comment.
spies8tina (18:50:24): bleh copy
spies8stephanie (18:50:25): oh wait i know this was all cause of the no vote crap
spies8tina (18:50:28):
spies8tina (10:58:29 PM): Well ok, I was right about someone mentioning it, just out of context
spies8tina (10:59:26 PM): Either way, that guy is very new, and that is a lot coming from me, or is doing a great job faking it.
spies8tina (11:00:01 PM): I think it doesn't matter much though. It does not seem like it was a serious comment.

spies8tina (18:50:32): There we go.
spies8broderick (18:50:45): Chance and Claude apparently thought this conversation between Cory and Tina took place after the teams were divided, so though they had caught something.
spies8tina (18:50:46): He decided not to include any of those lines from what I saw.
spies8stephanie (18:51:6): this is the whole mess that dane was interested in
spies8tina (18:51:11): Yep.
spies8stephanie (18:51:11): and that got him my vote
spies8gabriel (18:51:15): chance is an abrassive asshole thats right
spies8gabriel (18:51:20): i kept thinking it was cory lol
spies8broderick (18:51:36): Chance was under a lot of of scrutiny, for spreading misinformation.
spies8stephanie (18:51:36): one of those c people
spies8gabriel (18:51:44): he should be.
spies8gabriel (18:51:59): i wouldnt be surprised if he was a spy that got protected last episode
spies8broderick (18:52:4): He helped make another mess in terms of attributing something to Mary.
spies8broderick (18:52:47): It was a rather large headache trying to sort it out. The biggest issue I found was that no one seemed to want to clarify whether or not the information was right. It turned into a soap opera honestly. lol
spies8stephanie (18:52:52): hmm looking forward to being able to vote for chance
spies8tina (18:53:35): Ok. I have to leave for an hour or so, but will be back.
spies8gabriel (18:53:44): if the democrats dont stop sucking and actually get around to doing something besides bicker and have close exiles.
spies8tina (18:53:46): With any luck one of the other three will be here by then too.
spies8gabriel (18:53:51): k tina
spies8broderick (18:53:59): Bye
spies8tina (18:54:13) has left the room.
spies8gabriel (18:54:59): i mean im sorry.
spies8gabriel (18:55:10): i have a hard time respecting you guys when you split the votes like that
spies8broderick (18:56:9): lol. Agree to disagree.
spies8broderick (18:57:8): Was it pretty clear that Savannah was going, and everyone was voting for her?
spies8stephanie (18:57:23): hmm
spies8stephanie (18:57:43): i sure thought that we had a lot of last minute votes
spies8gabriel (18:57:49): actually sort of; but then jenny claimed for allan and everyone just went and jumped ship onto vannah.
spies8stephanie (18:57:57): tho sav was def in the running
spies8kiara (18:57:58): i would say when i left like 1/1.5 hours before exile, i knew it was a possibility but i did not know
spies8broderick (18:58:39): So it was between Allan and Savannah, Allan claimed, and the Allan voters jumped to Savannah?
spies8gabriel (18:58:52): itd been nice had vannah bothered to drop that she also had a role too even though that would have left it a toss up between steph tehmbs and maybe jenny
spies8stephanie (18:59:1): mostly tho themba had some votes too
spies8stephanie (18:59:26): and i had a couple
spies8gabriel (18:59:49): im still not particularly sure why jenny claimed for allan
spies8gabriel (19:00:4): or why allan would claim to jenny.
spies8stephanie (19:00:10): i still don't know why all claims went thru jenny
spies8kiara (19:00:20): allan did have a good number of votes coming, i think he would have gone. but i agree i dont know why he claimed to her
spies8stephanie (19:00:36): or why sav would claim to you, gabe, and then too late to do anything
spies8broderick (19:00:49): Well I doubt the Savannah lynch was spy free.
spies8gabriel (19:00:54): ive no idea either
spies8gabriel (19:01:3): but she did.
spies8kiara (19:01:12): does that bit even matter now?
spies8stephanie (19:01:35): what bit?
spies8kiara (19:01:48): savannahs claim after the vote deadline
spies8stephanie (19:02:15): no, it's just an oddity that i can't explain
spies8stephanie (19:02:28): and so i keep coming back to it
spies8broderick (19:03:18): Did you ask her why she claimed to you Gabriel?
spies8kiara (19:03:58): well its probably best not to speculate. i mean, i cant see how it would help us now. i mean unless she had some sort of investiagtive role, and confided in gabe because she know he was clean. but did she say something about being a messenger or something?
spies8gabriel (19:04:15): nope. i freaked out and told tina; tina convinced me it was one last spy mind game right before vannah went out the door
spies8gabriel (19:04:20): yeah kiara
spies8stephanie (19:04:47): we are pretty sure that the flips are real, aren't we?
spies8broderick (19:05:17): Yeah. Sam doesn't usually mess with the flips, unless a role does.
spies8gabriel (19:05:29): that... i dont know about. 'cause there was a role last season that could do that.
spies8kiara (19:05:44): there was?
spies8gabriel (19:05:58): yeah even though it only blocked the reveal of the alignment
spies8stephanie (19:06:7): just postponed it
spies8stephanie (19:06:21): ?
spies8gabriel (19:06:26): yeah
spies8kiara (19:06:26): hmm, well, i guess it is a possibility
spies8gabriel (19:06:38): if it is we'll prolly know at exile
spies8stephanie (19:07:9): sry i think i just grasping at straws here
spies8stephanie (19:07:21): something just still seems off to me
spies8broderick (19:07:24): I think a very small possibility that Sam would actually say an alignment for a person, then retract it later on.
spies8broderick (19:07:50): What seems off to you?
spies8gabriel (19:07:58): the only thing that looked off about last exile was that he said citizen in two different colors
spies8stephanie (19:08:3): if i were sav, i would have claimed to someone
spies8stephanie (19:08:17): before exile
spies8kiara (19:08:22): two different colors?
spies8broderick (19:08:26): What do you mean Gabriel?
spies8gabriel (19:08:32): lemme go grab the logs
spies8broderick (19:08:42): the black background with the white text?
spies8stephanie (19:09:34): i don't have colors in my logs
spies8gabriel (19:09:37):
(10:37:05 PM) sorintheseeker: CITIZEN. for margot.
spies8broderick (19:10:8): I believe it does things like that, just to switch it up.
spies8gabriel (19:10:8):
(10:46:14 PM) sorintheseeker: CITIZEN. for vannah
spies8broderick (19:10:15): *he
spies8kiara (19:11:3): i really dont like the idea of trying to outthink the host, but it is interesting. did he do anything like that the first exile?
spies8stephanie (19:11:28): first exile, we had one spy and one cit
spies8broderick (19:11:42): Sam likes to do new things. Some times there are videos for the reveal.
spies8gabriel (19:11:57): yeah
spies8gabriel (19:12:6): im straw grasping here but idk
spies8broderick (19:12:25): lol. You just want Savannah to be a spy that badly?
spies8stephanie (19:12:32): lol yes
spies8stephanie (19:13:31): what exactly was allan's claim? And was zeke right that it's possible to test it?
spies8stephanie (19:14:10): i didn't get a chance to talk to jenny about it, and allan just wouldn't talk to me
spies8kiara (19:14:28): umm, i think jenny said something along the lines that if someone uses a role on him, he gets to use the role himself
spies8broderick (19:15:16): How would that work if he were imprisoned?
spies8broderick (19:15:28): Assuming he is a citizen.
spies8gabriel (19:15:56): i guess it doesnt tracsfer over?
spies8stephanie (19:16:6): i don't think imprisonment is a "role"
spies8gabriel (19:16:7): 'cause i guess imprisonment isnt so much a power as it is a vote
spies8gabriel (19:16:17): that the spies share
spies8broderick (19:16:20): Yeah that is true
spies8stephanie (19:17:41): so the only known role, the doc, could save allan, and then allan in turn could save someone else
spies8broderick (19:17:44): I think that is kind of unfortunate that he had to reveal. Any spy roles are probably not going to target him.
spies8broderick (19:18:15): Does he get to use it the same episode, or the following one?
spies8stephanie (19:18:21): idk
spies8stephanie (19:18:40): but i hope someone is quizzing him about it
spies8stephanie (19:19:50): i am still finding it a little suspicious that we wouldn't talk to me at all after exile
spies8stephanie (19:20:21): it could be that he was just upset
spies8broderick (19:20:33): Did he talk to you regularly before?
spies8stephanie (19:20:42): he didn't really talk to anyone
spies8stephanie (19:21:12): but i did have a couple of reasonable, if short, conversations with him before
spies8gabriel (19:21:25): alla n is what youd call emotional
spies8broderick (19:21:32): Heh. lol
spies8gabriel (19:21:40): so of course sam sends him over to the team with the most uh
spies8gabriel (19:21:45): uhhhh whats the word
spies8broderick (19:21:47): I kind of wonder what would of happened if he had begun on the Democrats lol
spiesXTonisha (19:22:0) has entered the room.
spies8stephanie (19:22:18): lol brod, he would have just been lost in the crowd over there
spies8gabriel (19:23:9): brod what are your thoughts on your new teammates btw?
spies8broderick (19:24:9): Not much really. This is the first opportunity I've had to log on and chat with anyone. I didn't pay attention to any of the goings on over here when I was a Democrat.
spies8stephanie (19:24:57): ok, well we know that puts you in good stead with me
spies8stephanie (19:25:18): since i voted dane for paying too much attention to the other side
spies8gabriel (19:25:41): wait didnt you say he was paying attention tot chance in particular
spies8stephanie (19:26:38): yes, later tina told me that dane was involved in the no-exile shenanigans
spies8broderick (19:27:39): lol.
spies8stephanie (19:27:57): i give credit to tina for pm'ing me with info
spies8stephanie (19:28:6): of course, i still think dane is a total ass
spies8broderick (19:28:34): All I have seen of him is during exile time. He seemed a bit too vocal to me, in regards to the Savannah lynch.
spies8stephanie (19:29:37): he rubbed me the wrong way from the start -- and then the whole "took forever" reading the dems chat logs was too much
spies8broderick (19:30:8): He read our chat logs? Why?
spies8stephanie (19:30:19): exactly what i thought
spies8stephanie (19:30:42): not chat logs, but what was posted in your forum
spies8gabriel (19:30:45): hes starting to rub me the wrong way
spies8stephanie (19:30:55): sry, i don't mean to misstate
spies8broderick (19:31:13): Ah. There are group chats posted over there. Not all of them, but a few.
spies8gabriel (19:31:28): thinking back on it. how alex handled his vote of dane really doesnt point to danes innocence.
spies8stephanie (19:31:30): he started off with me telling us all what to bold in the who we were going to vote thread
spies8stephanie (19:31:35): which is just silly
spies8gabriel (19:31:57): because i think at that point alex was looking for any reason to still be alive at the episode end
spies8gabriel (19:32:6): and scum can be really really selfish
spies8tina (19:32:31) has entered the room.
spies8stephanie (19:32:39): wb
spies8gabriel (19:32:44): hey tina
spies8tina (19:32:56): Should have figured they would not be here by now but had to hope.
spies8tina (19:33:2): Miss anything important?
spies8gabriel (19:33:27): just us talking.
spies8gabriel (19:33:58): ive started to gain hope a spy role was used on vannah to obfuscate her alignment for an episode but idk.
spies8broderick (19:34:15): lol
spies8tina (19:34:42): Odd assumption but if that was true I would be happy.
spies8stephanie (19:35:3): sry i brought that up, but i can't think that sam would really do that to us
spies8gabriel (19:35:23): i think he would; at least a role would.
spies8broderick (19:35:32): If he did, I think there would be some sort of clue
spies8stephanie (19:35:35): her claim after the fact was just so weird
spies8gabriel (19:36:2): i think if there is a clue its in how he handled the reveal.
spies8broderick (19:36:2): Did she seem like a new player?
spies8gabriel (19:36:6): no.
spies8stephanie (19:36:8): no
spies8gabriel (19:36:11): in fact i think i know who she was
spies8tina (19:36:12): Def not.
spies8stephanie (19:36:26): don't tell us gave
spies8stephanie (19:36:31): gabe*
spies8gabriel (19:36:35): not going to
spies8stephanie (19:36:37): lol
spies8broderick (19:36:43): If to her, it didn't loook like she was going to be exiled, she may of gambled on it.
spies8tina (19:37:12): I think she knew that she was going.
spies8kiara (19:37:13): brb
spies8stephanie (19:37:16): it was def up in the air until the allan calim
spies8broderick (19:37:33): That was the day of exile?
spies8tina (19:37:34): People keep saying that, I do not think it was.
spies8stephanie (19:37:44): another thing i still don't understand is why she didn't ever vote allan
spies8tina (19:38:6): She thought Allan was citizen. That was said quite a bit.
spies8gabriel (19:38:7): she purposefully kepth him out of her list of suspects
spies8stephanie (19:38:33): she said that on exile day, but previous night she was laughing at me for thinking allan a cit
spies8broderick (19:38:40): Maybe she new about his role?
spies8tina (19:39:3): Why does this really matter though?
spies8broderick (19:39:17): It doesn't really.
spies8tina (19:39:20): It is done at this point, critique dead players is not helpful now.
spies8broderick (19:39:34): Unless you think her alignment was messed with.
spies8broderick (19:39:41): *alignment reveal
spies8stephanie (19:39:43): yeah probably it doesn't, i just keep coming back to the things i can't make sense of
spies8stephanie (19:40:10): it's sort of like rondak
spies8stephanie (19:40:23): i keep coming back to him
spies8tina (19:40:25): I would not say impossible, but untill it is a sure thing that alignemnt reveal was messed with I am not going to consider it.
spies8tina (19:40:43): Elfman is more into roleplaying then scumhunting.
spies8broderick (19:40:59): He'll fit in with Magalie lol
spies8broderick (19:41:19): Even though she is a total lunatic
spies8gabriel (19:41:44): I got that from reading her chatlogs.
spies8stephanie (19:42:3): yeah i think allan was off when he said nita was hiding behind her role
spies8stephanie (19:42:18): if he had said rondak, i might have jumped on it
spies8stephanie (19:42:44): obv.
spies8gabriel (19:42:46): god allan just didnt like nita
spies8broderick (19:42:46): Roleplaying is fine, as long as it is balanced with scumhunting and playing the game
spies8tina (19:42:51): Nita is amazing, what she is doing is what looks like the perfect ammount of roleplay.
spies8stephanie (19:43:9): i agree
spies8stephanie (19:43:22): but i am sort of glad she is on other team
spies8tina (19:43:26): It makes her a distinct player, yet she is very effective at everything she does.
spies8tina (19:43:42): She is needed over there, but I miss her tons already.
spies8stephanie (19:44:20): i just disagreed with her stance on looking for bussers
spies8stephanie (19:44:38): she was fairly adamant about it
spies8tina (19:45:19): It was pretty right though. You look for scummy, if it happens to be a busser then it is.
spies8tina (19:45:37): You kinda took it to the opposite extreme.
spies8stephanie (19:45:47): i did
spies8tina (19:46:14): Why did you change that stance eventually anyways?
spies8stephanie (19:46:17): and after talking to owen some more, i am off him
spiesXTonisha (19:46:22) has left the room.
spies8stephanie (19:46:35): but i still have my suspicions of rondak
spies8tina (19:46:50): I mean, why did you not vote a Alexei voter?
spies8stephanie (19:46:57): i didn't change that stance, just gave up on it for the time being
spies8tina (19:47:2): Even someone like Themba who was on him untill last minute.
spies8stephanie (19:47:14): themba is on my cit list
spies8tina (19:47:28): Just had to wonder since Savannah was basically the polar opposite as to what you started the day looking for.
spies8stephanie (19:47:31): and you, who also moved at the last minute
spies8stephanie (19:47:41): i agree tina
spies8stephanie (19:48:7): i started out looking at rondak and hambone
spies8stephanie (19:48:13): then looked at owen
spies8broderick (19:48:19): What was her stance on looking for bussers?
spies8stephanie (19:48:42): it was "the dumbest thing she'd ever heard"
spies8broderick (19:49:31): She didn't agree that looking for busses was productive, or that spys would buss their pals
spies8broderick (19:49:33): ?
spies8tina (19:49:52): She said just scumhunting was better.
spies8stephanie (19:50:3): mostly i think that it wasn't productive
spies8tina (19:50:5): While you should consider bussing, you can not limit yourself.
spies8stephanie (19:50:10): better places to look
spies8stephanie (19:51:5): which makes sense. but somehow just got caught under my craw
spies8tina (19:51:21): Most people do not like it when people disagree with them.
spies8stephanie (19:51:42): lol, yep, that's obviously true in my case
spies8tina (19:51:44): I like it, when people agree with me too much I get paranoid.
spies8gabriel (19:51:58): like with alex ? D:
spies8stephanie (19:52:12): also true, which is why i was suspicious of hambone
spies8broderick (19:52:21): Yeah. I think looking only at bussers isn't productive, however I think it needs to be looked at.
spies8tina (19:52:27): That was a decent example, although him giving up the Zek wagon and at least claiming to have given up Dane wagon weighed heavier on me.
spies8broderick (19:52:32): People who agree with you a lot, definitely get under my skin.
spies8broderick (19:52:38): They tell you what you want to hear.
spies8stephanie (19:53:25): kiara, are you still here?
spies8stephanie (19:54:1): new kiara, on the other hand, has not agreed with me about anything
spies8stephanie (19:54:9): and yet seems pretty reasonable
spies8tina (19:55:40): I think she only recently got caught up.
spies8stephanie (19:56:38): yeah so still way too early to make a judgment
spies8stephanie (19:56:43): but i like her so far
spies8tina (19:56:53): I still say I thought old-kiara was probably citizen.
spies8stephanie (19:57:35): and new lilith is going to have the cleanest house in the world
spies8stephanie (19:57:45): she's been away cleaning for hours
spies8gabriel (19:57:56): yeah whats up with that D:
spies8themba (19:58:25) has entered the room.
spies8stephanie (19:58:33): thumbs!
spies8tina (19:58:39): New lil was getting caught up last time I talked with her.
spies8gabriel (19:58:41): THEMBS
spies8broderick (19:58:42): Hi Themba.
spies8themba (19:58:43): hiya! hiya new people
spies8tina (19:58:46): Well, last and only.
spies8gabriel (19:58:51): we only have noe new person
spies8stephanie (19:59:1): only brod
spies8tina (19:59:15): He is not as boring as the other side makes him sound.
spiesXTonisha (19:59:22) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (19:59:27): lol. Magalie.
spies8tina (19:59:47): Over there is just a large ammount of crazy folk, so normal people look boring.
spies8tina (19:59:54): I am sure they would hate me as well.
spies8themba (19:59:54): that was so funny.
spies8gabriel (20:00:11): thembs whats up howd your break go huh uh huhuhuhuh??
spies8broderick (20:00:12): I think she only called me boring because I was trying to talk to her about her suspicions, and all she wanted to do was roleplay around
spies8broderick (20:00:45): Be back in a few minutes
spies8themba (20:03:8): hey gabeeee. break was good. needed. i actually got to do a bit of reading for a change which was nice! how was yours?
spies8stephanie (20:03:43): i got some laundry done -- that was good
spies8gabriel (20:04:36): i should be doing laundry but i dont have any detergent D:
spies8themba (20:04:54): haha i did laundry too!
spies8themba (20:04:57): Dear Sam,
spies8themba (20:05:2): Thanks for the laundry time.
spies8themba (20:05:9): Love, the Republicans.
spies8stephanie (20:05:9): i swear it seems like sometimes i seem to spend my entire life either washing clothes or washing dishes
spies8themba (20:05:41): i prefer washing dishes to cooking though
spies8themba (20:06:25): brb
spies8broderick (20:06:25): k i'm back.
spies8stephanie (20:06:39): and i prefer throwing away the empty pizza boxes to either
spies8gabriel (20:06:55): wheres owen hes usually online by now
spies8broderick (20:07:8): I prefer cooking to doing laundry. lol
spies8stephanie (20:07:8): i talked to him this morning
spies8gabriel (20:07:25): i love cooking more than i love cleaning
spies8stephanie (20:07:51): i'd do laundry for any man who would cook for me
spies8broderick (20:08:59): lol
spies8themba (20:11:5): what steph said
spies8stephanie (20:11:21): brod, i am still trying to get my head around the first dems exile
spies8stephanie (20:11:32): where all the c players were up
spies8broderick (20:12:13): lol. almost all. Cinnamyn wasn't.
spies8gabriel (20:12:20): and cory
spies8stephanie (20:12:48): but you suspected some players for bandwagoning?
spies8broderick (20:12:51): Cory too.
spies8broderick (20:13:26): Yeah. Margot, Gertrude, and Jasmine. Their votes in the tally thread looked the most bandwagony
spies8broderick (20:15:28): Claude suspected Cory towards the beginning of the episode, apparently Cory was asking Claude questions, while not volunteering any information himself. Supposedly it is normal for people to spontaneously give up information about themselves with out any prodding.
spies8themba (20:16:29): I am interested in people who voted Margot. She seemed very much a new, struggling Cit to me.
spies8stephanie (20:16:43): that's evidently why allan voted owen in our first exile
spies8themba (20:16:52): and LOL @ Brod. That's completely normal...
spies8broderick (20:17:0): So Claude attributed Cory to being pushy, and rather on the abrasive side. Claude later admitted that he wasn't even interested in having a conversation, and when the relevant bits of the conversation were outed. It pretty much broke up a chunk of Claude's case and reasoning against Cory. Which led to the entire misinformation crap regarding Chance.
spies8broderick (20:18:6): The Claude suspecting Cory ordeal led to the misinformation, because it was said that Mary called Cory pushy by Chance. which brought Chance into the limelight. Claude later got onto Camilla about two statements she made.
spies8broderick (20:19:9): With Margot I think the majority of the suspicion against her dealt with her vote. It looked bandwagongy, then when she explained it she deflected onto Gertrude
spies8broderick (20:20:9): During the first episode she had suspected Claude, yet got her suspicion of Camilla from Claude. Which didn't seem to make sense. She ultimately voted Camilla over Claude, because Claude was more active.
spies8broderick (20:20:16): I think she was easy to jump on to.
spies8themba (20:20:19): Fascinating. You voted Jasmine last round? Jasmine voted Chance Episode 1. Was it Chance or Cory who had immunity Episode 2?
spies8broderick (20:20:31): Chance
spies8themba (20:21:5): Ty. And that's why she couldn't be bothered reading anything on him, because she couldn't vote for him anyway? Is that right? Sorry just checking my understanding.
spies8broderick (20:21:30): Jasmine?
spies8themba (20:21:37): Yes Jasmine.
spies8broderick (20:21:52): She made statements that she didn't want to talk about him, since he couldn't be voted for. But she would still antagonize him in chats.
spies8themba (20:22:16): Can I ask why you voted for her last episode?
spies8broderick (20:22:34): She seemed pretty certain he was a spy.
spies8broderick (20:22:38): Sure.
spies8broderick (20:23:39): Before exile one, about twenty minutes before I FoS'd Margot, Gertrude, and Jasmine for their votes. All three looked bandwagony. Margot answered my questions about hers, Gertrude explained hers, and Jasmine didn't really respond until about five minutes before the exile.
spies8broderick (20:23:46): When she yelled at me about it being stupid.
spies8broderick (20:24:15): That piqued my suspicion of her, it was a complete overreaction to an FoS, which essentially means nothing. Just a statement that I am suspicious of you for your vote.
spies8themba (20:24:45): So you voted for her because she yelled at you, overreacted to your FoS and you thought she was bandwagonning?
spies8broderick (20:25:11): I voted for her because she makes statements concerning her opinions, but when she is asked to elabroate or give reasons why, she struggles.
spies8themba (20:25:36): Interesting. I am intrigued by her. Isaac too.
spies8broderick (20:26:0): Yes Chance was unvotable last episode.
spies8broderick (20:26:22): However I assume that if you are 100% certain that he is a spy, you would have some sort of case prepared with evidence to show for it.
spies8broderick (20:26:35): In your confessional at the least.
spies8themba (20:26:37): That's what I was wondering.
spies8themba (20:26:48): Ready to go after the episode ended.
spies8themba (20:27:15): Or I would just post it anyway, and leave it there to be read. Just in case I was imprisoned.
spies8broderick (20:27:24): She would say that she would have to go look for the relavent bits.
spies8themba (20:28:44): I wonder if the spies knew there would be a team swap before the cits did.
spies8stephanie (20:29:20): i doubt it
spies8stephanie (20:29:33): i think everyone knew there was a swap coming up
spies8broderick (20:29:54): I assumed there would be one eventually
spies8stephanie (20:29:56): tho after exile 1, there might have been some swap
spies8themba (20:30:50): Just thinking why someone wouldn't bother making a case on their main suspicion... It's interesting. Kinda like Allan and his 'CBF reading'.
spies8stephanie (20:30:52): i think the swap was all pre-planned and not a result of any voting
spies8stephanie (20:31:7): CBF?
spies8themba (20:31:22): Can't Be F&cked.
spies8stephanie (20:31:50): allan is one weird bird
spies8stephanie (20:32:31): i'm still trying to get over his "i don't want to talk to you" statement
spies8themba (20:32:37): Indeedy. I can't wait to see what happens with him.
spies8tina (20:33:0): I am thinking he follows someone around for a majority of the game and that is about it.
spies8themba (20:33:6): So shoddy. The whole thing. Stoner screwed up that whole episode.
spies8stephanie (20:33:41): huh?
spies8broderick (20:33:55): He largely doesn't talk much at all?
spies8tina (20:34:24): Thats a fair assesment.
spies8themba (20:34:30): I was perfectly happy with my vote on him. I was sure he was a giant big Spy. Then he role claims. Or Jenny does on his behalf. Then I had to switch to Savannah, or you Steph. Neither of which I was comfortable about.
spies8themba (20:34:40): And when he does talk Broderick, he lies 50% of the time.
spies8themba (20:34:43): Helpful as.
spies8tina (20:35:21): So I have a question about dem side.
spies8tina (20:35:28): You said people were interested in inactives last exile.
spies8tina (20:35:34): How come Lawrences name did not come up?
spies8tina (20:35:44): I see almost nothing from him.
spies8tina (20:35:54): Does he live in private chats or something?
spies8broderick (20:36:59): Well people tried to turn the limelight on the quieter people. It largely wasn't that successful. Lawrence I have no idea if he does talk privately with people. I never saw him on much. The one time I privately spoke to him, he congratulated me on my post which he took as a synopsis of one of the group chats.
spies8broderick (20:37:29): I think he is definitely one of the players who takes their suspects from other people. Not much originality from him.
spies8stephanie (20:37:30): he only had 3 votes in the poll
spies8broderick (20:38:4): Him suspecting me because apparently I ask a lot of questions but don't give my own opinion, I had to laugh at. Considering he is rarely ever in any chats that I am in. lol
spies8themba (20:38:25): Just rereading his thoughts now.
spies8themba (20:38:34): He put both Chance and Claude "on hold".
spies8tina (20:38:54): Yes. That was odd.
spies8themba (20:38:55): Can I do that? Nita will kill me. Wait... Huh! She's not here to kill me!
spies8themba (20:39:5): Tina will kill me instead
spies8broderick (20:39:17): I imagine Claude because of his role and Chance because he was blocked.
spies8tina (20:39:18): I have to take over for her in punishing poor logic.
spies8tina (20:39:29): Well you have to ignore them why?
spies8tina (20:39:39): You should still question/push/etc them.
spies8tina (20:39:53): It would be stupid to let them slip away.
spies8themba (20:40:0): Q) Do you know if Lawrence's posts are from IM's, or has he taken all of the quotes he's used from the team chat threads?
spies8tina (20:40:3): They are a part of the game still.
spies8broderick (20:40:16): I assume it was for episode two only. Not the entire game.
spies8broderick (20:40:35): I have no idea. My guess would be from the team chat threads.
spies8themba (20:40:55): Interesting.
spies8broderick (20:43:17): For me, when ever I was in a chat with him. I never noticed he was there. He very rarely spoke.
spies8themba (20:43:24): "Jasmine at least seems to have a prsence, small and flufft as it may be. Margot to me is invisible and forgettable, which seems more like a spy trying to sneak by."
spies8stephanie (20:44:25): and that's probably why margot is gone?
spies8themba (20:45:14): Jasmine doesn't seem small and fluffy to me. She seems to be posting a bit around.
spies8broderick (20:45:28): I wonder if he and Margot were ever in a chat together.
spies8broderick (20:45:48): Lawrence's reasons for voting for Margot, looked to me like he was wanting to vote her and then searching for reasons to.
spies8themba (20:45:57): yes.
spies8stephanie (20:46:29): but margot was more or less invisible and forgettable?
spies8stephanie (20:46:34): no?
spies8themba (20:47:12): She was obviously not that forgettable, as she was voted... Kinda the opposite really.
spies8broderick (20:47:20): Yes and no
spies8broderick (20:47:37): She wasn't a loud person as say Claude or Cinnamyn, or Jasmine even.
spies8tina (20:47:49): Margot is worried about being "misinterpreted"; she voted Camilla over Claude due to effort, and she's pushing Gertie. Jasmine is still pretty much an enigma.

I think at this point, I will be voting Margot over Jasmine for one primary reason--Jasmine at least seems to have a prsence, small and flufft as it may be.
spies8tina (20:48:16): Is it just me or is that voting someone for the same reason you are voting them.
spies8broderick (20:48:17): lol
spies8stephanie (20:48:36): huh?
spies8tina (20:48:43): Seriously.
spies8tina (20:48:51): It is quite similar.
spies8broderick (20:48:55): Yeah it does. It also seems to be he is contradicting himself.
spies8broderick (20:49:21): Jasmine is an enigma, but has a presence - small and flufft as it may be
spies8broderick (20:49:39): I assume he typoed and meant fluffy. lol
spies8stephanie (20:52:29): so in the jasmine/isaac debate, are they 2 cits? or 1 cit? or 0 cit?
spies8themba (20:53:13): that is a question we need the 2 of them here to help answer!
spies8stephanie (20:53:22): def
spies8themba (20:53:28): * waits *
spies8themba (20:53:36): have they been on yet?
spies8stephanie (20:53:51): not that i have seen
spies8stephanie (20:53:56): i was on this morning
spies8stephanie (20:54:3): and gone all afternoon
spies8themba (20:54:29): Hmmm. Well let's hope they show up soon. I can't wait to meet them properly. Lawrence too.
spies8stephanie (20:54:40): YES
spies8stephanie (20:55:35): going to bed now...good to talk to you brod
spies8stephanie (20:55:46): and the rest of you old reps
spies8broderick (20:55:50): Jasmine I dont think gets on much at this time. Lawrence and Isaac meh.
spies8broderick (20:55:55): Good to see ya Stephanie
spies8themba (20:55:57): Nighttttt Steph
spies8stephanie (20:56:2) has left the room.
spies8broderick (20:56:3): I personally doubt that they are both citizens.
spies8themba (20:56:30): I think you may well be right.
spies8kiara (20:57:58): i guys, sorry i afk'd for so long. on at work g2g now, cya tomorrow
spies8themba (20:58:39): See you later Kiara. I'll chat to you another time hopefully.
spies8kiara (20:58:43) has left the room.
spies8broderick (21:00:11): lol. Alexei must of been a new player and a new spy
spies8tina (21:01:3): You reading up what happened there?
spies8themba (21:01:10): brb
spies8broderick (21:01:47): Yeah. I'm reading all of the threads from oldest to newest.
spies8broderick (21:03:3): What happened with Zedekiah? He was being questioned and left or something?
spies8tina (21:03:52): Apparently right after the game started he did not talk with anyone but stayed online.
spies8broderick (21:04:18): Ohh
spies8broderick (21:06:57): Nita and yourself were the first to suspect Alexei?
spies8broderick (21:07:1): When did Owen come in?
spies8tina (21:07:40): Owen joined in a bit that night when I talked with him.
spies8tina (21:08:0): So he was in it before most others were.
spies8gabriel (21:08:15): in fact i think owen did provide part of the case on alex
spies8broderick (21:08:23): Ahh. How come you didn't vote for Alexei?
spies8tina (21:09:20): The night before exile he told me that he was voting for Dane. After I discussed that suspicion with him, he realized a lot of it was based in a misconception, and said he would vote Steph.
spies8tina (21:09:34): At that point he was refusing the vote either of the other two getting any suspicion.
spies8tina (21:09:50): Right before the exile, Zek called the Burg "HQ"
spies8tina (21:10:5): That one pushed me over the edge on it.
spies8tina (21:10:31): If either of those two did not occur I do not think I would have moved.
spies8broderick (21:11:27): Ah okay. What were his reasons for voting for Stephanie?
spies8broderick (21:11:47): What was Zedekiah's reason for calling it HQ?

[Broderick]

spies8tina (21:12:26): No one really knows on the HQ thing. Nita later dug up that he had called it headquarters before and no one had noticed though.
spies8tina (21:13:28): Steph vote was odd. He said that a lot of the reason that Steph was suspecting Dane was reaching, but she had a few good points. The ones that he considered good points were what I disproved, so he switched there.
spies8tina (21:13:48): It was very unusual, but I expected some resistance instead of 100% dooming himself.
spies8tina (21:14:8): Turns out he never moved his vote, but what he said had me going.
spies8broderick (21:14:41): Oh so no one has asked Zedekiah about the HQ thing?
spies8tina (21:15:14): I think it was mentioned, let me look at logs.
spies8lilith (21:15:20): Ello mates!
spies8broderick (21:15:27): Hi Lilith.
spies8lilith (21:15:33): Ello Mr. Broderick
spies8broderick (21:15:43): If Zedekiah has called the Burg HQ, that is a pretty large slip.
spies8tina (21:15:58): spies8zedekiah (7:17:16 PM): oh I see, I need t' watch my mouth
spies8zedekiah (7:17:39 PM): keep my militia talk out o the game when I can
spies8lilith (21:16:22):
spies8lilith (21:16:43): The keep my militia talk sounds like mafia covering it up, but saying he needs to watch his mouth would be too obvious for a mafia to say... lol.
spies8tina (21:16:45): It is confusing over here.
spies8lilith (21:17:50): Who is XTonisha? lol
spies8broderick (21:17:53): Yeah.
spies8broderick (21:17:55): A viewer
spies8tina (21:18:2): [22:14] spies8hambone: can we post important stuff on the board or no
[22:14] spies8hambone: is that allowed
[22:14] spies8rondak: I was about to ask that, good sir.
[22:15] spies8zedekiah: of course, the board is our headquarters
spies8tina (21:18:16): That was something Nita later pointed out from much earlier in the game.
spies8broderick (21:18:27): Did you guys not have a 'meet your fellow republicans' threads, where character bios were posted?
spies8tina (21:18:34): We did.
spies8broderick (21:19:16): Looks like Sam whisked them away.
spies8broderick (21:19:38): Wanted to see what Zedekiah's character was.
spies8gabriel (21:20:0): OH HEY LILITH
spies8lilith (21:20:32): Hello Mr. Gabriel
spies8lilith (21:20:35): Angel of death .
spies8lilith (21:20:36): lol
spies8broderick (21:20:42): Well he knows that HQ is what they called the Spies private forum. If he had already played spies, he would know that so would already avoid using those words.
spies8broderick (21:20:46): Heh.
spies8broderick (21:21:43): Or did someone tell him about the HQ?
spies8gabriel (21:23:0): i dont think anyone said anything to him until the slip that got him in hot water
spies8lilith (21:23:17): Who point out the slip?
spies8lilith (21:24:0): Just curious. From my perspective, it is likely he is mafia. But there is always the possibility whoever pointed it out is mafia trying to incrimintae someone else for their usage of words. (What if he was a mafia in a past Spies game and thus used that word?)
spies8broderick (21:24:2): Calling the Burg HQ?
spies8tina (21:24:11): [21:48] spies8zedekiah: but if he's town he should read our own dang HQ
spies8lilith (21:24:14): I think too much though, so everything to me just cancels everything out, lol.
spies8tina (21:24:15): That was the line.
spies8broderick (21:25:0): Is that in reference to Dane or someone reading the Democrats board?
spies8tina (21:25:17): I think "he" was Allan.
spies8broderick (21:26:13): Oh. That doesn't really seem to be a reference to a Spy HQ, so it could be legitimate accidental useage, rather than a slip.
spies8tina (21:26:37): Right, it was just another "what?" in a long chain of stuff from him.
spies8lilith (21:27:11): Although, from a psychological perspective, it could be a freduian slip of constantly seeing a HQ thread in the forums. There are so many ways you can look at things and analyze them and argue from either perspective.
spies8lilith (21:28:8): For me personally I am just going to talk to him and see if I can get a read about his alignment. I've decided instead of trying to catch up on everything I missed, I'm just going to meet the people and see how they act today. It'll be easier on me (I'm a replacement btw ).
spies8broderick (21:28:50): Haha. Well I never got to meet the old Lilith.
spies8lilith (21:29:28):
spies8broderick (21:29:50): I heard she talked about 100mph
spies8lilith (21:30:12): From what I can see from the confessionals of old Lilith, she wasn't really on that much anyways, lol.
spies8broderick (21:30:33): She was on vacation/away fro the first episode.
spies8gabriel (21:31:8): haha btw lilith, brod im kinda easier to get ahold of in private im cause i sometyimes dont notice chatting in here until like thirty minutes in
spies8lilith (21:31:21): Ok .
spies8broderick (21:31:30): K
spies8lilith (21:31:57): Were yall both on the side that voted out Alexei?
spies8gabriel (21:32:47): i was one of the ones who voted alex. brod was a dem. tina built the case on alex.
spies8gabriel (21:33:4): but out of everyone here i was the only one who *did* vote alex
spies8broderick (21:33:27): Why did you vote for him Gabriel?
spies8lilith (21:33:31): I already talked to Tina about what went down. I guess to me a spy getting voted off and what led up to that and how people reacted is the main thing that interests me at this moment.
spies8tina (21:33:32): I was on the side that was voting him untill about an hour before exile.
spies8gabriel (21:34:25): i voted him kinda of because of the case and i didnt like how he was acting in chat, public or private. just sort of reminded me of scum ive played against in the past
spies8lilith (21:34:26): Who were the other two people that were goin to recieve votes that Alexei said he didn't support voting either of them?
spies8tina (21:34:57): Zek and Dane, although he did vote Dane, just had said the night before that he was not.
spies8gabriel (21:35:57): i think his mindset was OMG GOING TO VOTE FOR ANYONE WHO ISNT ME so hed live another episode or something like that
spies8broderick (21:37:32): Why not vote for Zedekiah then. Before exile, who was looking to receive more votes, DAne of Zed?
spies8themba (21:37:41): backkkk
spies8broderick (21:37:45): *Dane or Zed?
spies8tina (21:37:50): He had talked himself into a position where voting Zek was suicide.
spies8broderick (21:37:51): Welcome back
spies8tina (21:37:57): Zek was getting more votes.
spies8gabriel (21:38:6): basically
spies8tina (21:38:7): People were just pissed at Dane.
spies8themba (21:38:8): TY. Lemme see what you've been chatting about.
spies8tina (21:38:18): Dane belongs on dem side.
spies8broderick (21:38:25): Ah okay. From a self survival standpoint, voting Dane was silly.
spies8themba (21:38:26): Hahaha
spies8broderick (21:38:44): Unless it looked like Dane would get more votes than zedekiah
spies8gabriel (21:38:47): honestly alex seemed to have given up just like
spies8gabriel (21:38:54): the day before exile
spies8gabriel (21:39:6): we didnt even see him at all (or barely) the day of
spies8tina (21:39:8): He came to me trying again the night before, thats where he said he was changing off of Dane.
spies8broderick (21:40:5): My guess is he was a newbie.
spies8themba (21:41:58): I think you are right Broderick. Was a good result.
spies8broderick (21:45:32): What about Savannah last episode?
spies8themba (21:45:58): Ugh. Last episode was a shambles. Shambles.
spies8themba (21:46:35): For me, it came down to choosing Savannah or Jenny. Cause I wasn't voting myself and there was a good chance I'd be exiled after Jenny outed Allan.
spies8tina (21:49:6): Savannah was interesting. The posts from Gabe and Nita in the topic Gabe made, and the additon in the thread I made was mainly what it was.
spies8tina (21:49:23): It was an odd one though, almost everyone expressed a little bit of suspicion though.
spies8tina (21:49:37): It was hard to tell where the votes were going though.
spies8tina (21:50:2): It was about two hours before untill Savannah was the visable front runner in public votes iirc.
spies8themba (21:50:3): Once Allan's role was revealed, it could have easily been me, Steph or Jenny.
spies8themba (21:50:9): From where I sat anyway.
spies8themba (21:50:18): I mean Savannah. Not Jenny.
spies8tina (21:50:42): That is about right, although at that point it was most likely Savannah.
spies8tina (21:50:54): I think it was either Steph or Savannah at that point.
spies8themba (21:51:30): I think Dane would've switched to me. And I think if the others saw Nita's vote they would have too. Well some of them anyway.
spies8tina (21:51:43): That is true.
spies8broderick (21:52:4): Do you think that some people followed Nita's vote because of what happened with Alexei?
spies8themba (21:52:10): Hell yes.
spies8broderick (21:52:18): Or even your own, Tina?
spies8themba (21:52:21): Nita was a big influence on some people.
spies8tina (21:52:29): Well, Nita is someone who is smart, and make things easy to follow.
spies8broderick (21:52:55): She is viewed as largely citizen then?
spies8themba (21:53:0): Her interrogation skills are impressive. You can almost hear here ticking questions off a list.
spies8themba (21:53:14): She is by most I believe Broderick.
spies8tina (21:53:17): I would like to think I command a little more sway in my suspicions then others, but she was in control.
spies8themba (21:53:23): Most people think the Doc saved her.
spies8tina (21:53:25): Not most, all.
spies8broderick (21:53:42): Ah okay.
spies8tina (21:53:43): I do not think anyone thinks Nita is not at least probably citizen.
spies8themba (21:54:7): I'd agree with 'probably'. But not 'definitely'.
spies8broderick (21:54:45): My opinion on that kind of situation is that yes they are probable citizens and are not likely to lie to you or attempt to manipulate you; yet unless they are the/a cop. They are not going to to be all knowing.
spies8broderick (21:55:20): I don't agree with following for the sake of following unless it is a cop guilty.
spies8themba (21:55:33): Likewise.
spies8tina (21:55:55): If you think someone is citizen and that they are good at spy hunting, following to an extent is good.
spies8tina (21:56:7): Someone needs to be the sheep.
spies8tina (21:56:18): Too many shepards causes problems.
spies8broderick (21:57:52): Good at spy hunting doesn't equate to infallible.
spies8lilith (21:57:53): I like Tina's point. XD Following someone you think is a citizen and good at finding spies is a good thing. But you still need to think for yourself. I think that's what I'll have to do till I get situated. I keep feeling like my approach to the game and figuring things out will keep changing. Because I feel like it'
spies8lilith (21:58:6): s hard to read people, lol. I keep looking at things from different perspectives.
spies8tina (21:58:18): Of course it is not infallible.
spies8tina (21:58:44): You need to people whos opinions you can trust though.
spies8themba (21:58:56): Definitely not infallible!
spies8lilith (21:59:10): And I am not a fan of the intense logical talk (such as I saw in Zed's post) that I am aware comes from experienced forum players, but it kind of intimidates me to be honest because A) I know I am not a good arguer when it comes to using impressive words and B) I am aware that some skilled mafia players as mafia can be equally convincing as when they are town and it scares me, haha.
spies8broderick (21:59:33): I agree with that. However too many sheep who follow simply for the sake of following is worse than too many leaders.
spies8tina (21:59:56): They both are bad for entirely different reasons.
spies8lilith (21:59:58): Everyone keeps talking about the past in a matter-of-fact way and it kind of doesn't help because I can't read passion or true feelings in the way they talk about it. Lol.
spiesXTonisha (21:59:58): tldr
spies8themba (22:00:48): on the threads can be different to here lilith. don't forget that. you'll get a better feel for people by doing what you said - talking one on one.
spies8broderick (22:00:49): Huh Lilith?
spies8lilith (22:00:54): At this moment I am just rambing because I feel very lost and have no one to connect to, LOL.
spies8themba (22:01:5): awe
spies8broderick (22:01:13): Forum mafia is definitely different than Spies.
spies8lilith (22:01:59): I am trying to see the passion in people's suspscions because my theory is a mafia player, even if really good, can't fake the same passion and thought a citizen has in their suspcions. But at the moment I'm getting the same "cold" feeling from everyone, lol.
spies8gabriel (22:03:13): i still say vannah walked like a duck talked like aduck quacked like a duck
spies8tina (22:03:37): This side seems to be the more monotone and serious side. That may explain the "cold" feeling.
spies8tina (22:03:46): We seem to get more done though.
spies8themba (22:03:52): it could be also lilith that it's still early on, so people are still feeling eachother out. however i think this cast is very different to a few others i've watched.
spies8gabriel (22:03:55): i still say vannah is a duck
spies8themba (22:04:3): and what tina said. so serious. all the time.
spies8gabriel (22:04:12): quack quack quack vannahduck
spies8themba (22:04:21): lol Gabe
spies8tina (22:05:6): What are your thoughts on what you have heard so far though Lil?
spies8broderick (22:05:30): lol Lilith. This side definitely seems more laid back compared to the Democrats.
spies8tina (22:05:45): We are all "boring".
spies8tina (22:05:58): Why do you think the "who do you like talking to" poll was so close?
spies8tina (22:06:15): Heck I was tied for second and you see how super fun lovin' I am.
spies8themba (22:06:22): dull, duller and dullest.
spies8lilith (22:06:25): Well, to be completely honest, I've been more-so attempting to read the people I've talked to then what they've talked about. And I keep getting conflicting ideas about everyone I talked to. One thing that stands out to me at the moment is that Savannah was an innocent (known fact) and her suspect was Zed, and she tried hard to get people to vote for him (from what I hear). So from my mind, an innocent suspect Zed. That's the only sure-fire information I have right now, LOL.
spies8lilith (22:07:38): Like Gabriel's being thinking it was Savannah and the way he admits to it makes me think he was a town that just had a bad hunch. But the way he just stated he still thinks it's her makes me feel like he may be mafia just trying to point out he could be wrong. So I keep getting conflicted ideas about people. And I
spies8lilith (22:08:14): 'm not afraid to share my thought outloud, cuz I like seeing people's reactions, and I'm not afraid to say that I'm looking for reactions, because I just think it'll make the mafia more nervous to respond if they know that's what I'm looking for, lol.
spies8lilith (22:08:30): And now I feel like I'm typing 100 mph like the old lilith supposedly did, LOL.
spies8themba (22:08:38): hahaha
spies8lilith (22:09:49): Yaaaa, those are my thoughts right now, LOL.
spies8lilith (22:10:59): Any responses?
spies8tina (22:11:25): Well, is that your way of saying your top suspect is Zek?
spies8broderick (22:11:25): Haha. Nah I don't think you are talking as much as the Old Lilith.
spies8gabriel (22:11:27): nothing. ill admit to reaching for straws on the "vannah must still be a spy!!! BUTHAYNA!!!!" bit D:
spies8broderick (22:11:41): One of the group chats, she had about five/six repsonses in the span of the same timestamp. lol
spies8tina (22:11:45): What does buthyna mean?
spies8tina (22:11:59): Have never heard that one before.
spies8gabriel (22:12:2): a reference to last season
spies8broderick (22:12:33): Buthayna was thought of a spy, she was attempted to be exile for multiple episodes.
spies8tina (22:12:38): Thought it was something like WFIOM that I was going to need to learn.
spies8lilith (22:12:45): I would like to speak to Zek (Zed?) at the moment to get a read. But if I had to vote right now, the fact that a confirmed citizen strongly suspected him makes me want to vote him and the whole HQ thing, which I am currently thinking may be a mafia slip. But I don't want to be too centered on my thinking, I want to be open minded so I don't get focused in on someone wrong, lol.
spies8tina (22:13:18): That is a good thing.
spies8broderick (22:13:37): What about a confirmed citizen suspecting him, makes you want to vote him?
spies8lilith (22:14:33): Well, right now, whoever I talk to has his or her suspscions on one person. But it could always being a mafia trying to mislead us. We know Savaanah was a citizen, so we know her suspcions are genuine and to me that means more than most people still alive, because whatever percentage of people still alive are mafia trying to misguide us, lol.
spies8lilith (22:14:44): What percentage of people are usually spies in this series? lol
spies8broderick (22:14:54): There are seven spies
spies8broderick (22:15:26): Six alive
spies8broderick (22:15:41): 21 citizens alive
spies8broderick (22:15:49): That is wrong
spies8lilith (22:15:50): 21??
spies8lilith (22:15:56): I thought our team had 13, lol
spies8broderick (22:16:24): 20 ctizens alive
spies8lilith (22:16:50): oooo
spies8lilith (22:16:52): citizzens
spies8lilith (22:16:54): i thought u meant overall
spies8lilith (22:17:25): and we get to exile 2, and they only kill 1 each round?
spies8broderick (22:17:30): Haha nope. Thirty players started the game. 23 citizens and 7 spies. 3 citizens and 1 spy have gone.
spies8broderick (22:17:42): Yes
spies8broderick (22:17:49): Eventually the two teams will merge.
spies8tina (22:18:35): It actually may be interesting if they did not.
spies8tina (22:18:51): That would make for an odd game, but a fun one.
spies8lilith (22:19:5): I would rather us merge, two different teams makes it odd. I was going to ask about someone they realized they were on the other team so there's really nothing I can do about that person or question them, etc., lol.
spies8broderick (22:19:7): As long as there were spies on both teams.
spies8gabriel (22:20:1): yeah... thats the odd bit.
spies8lilith (22:23:46): For the spy kill it can be anyone from either team?
spies8broderick (22:24:7): Though it would make connections between the spies a bit more difficult.
spies8themba (22:24:8): yep
spies8lilith (22:24:17): Interesting .
spies8themba (22:24:39): Gotta give them a chance too
spies8broderick (22:48:31): lol. All of the joke references to chance. Hard to not laugh when someone says chance but isn't talking about Chance.
spies8themba (22:51:2): haha! well i gtg. i will talk to you all later
spies8broderick (22:55:30): I think I'm gonna duck out too. Good Night.

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spies8broderick (22:44:2): Hi. Eh could you be a bit more specific?
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spies8lilith (22:46:31): Or do people not ask that? LOL
spies8broderick (22:47:39): Currently I suspect Jasmine the most.
spies8lilith (22:48:4): Reasons? XD
spies8lilith (22:48:28): I feel like I can get a good read on people based on them explaining their suspiscions. I don't think mafia can fake a suspcion as well as a real person could.
spies8broderick (22:49:18): She overreacted to an FoS I put on her right before the first Exile. Which piqued my suspicion towards her.
spies8lilith (22:50:26):
spies8lilith (22:50:34): That's your only reason? lol
spies8broderick (22:50:40): Before the second exile, she was being questioned on elaborating her suspicions and it felt to me that she was struggling.
spies8broderick (22:51:19): She seemed to make statements of certainty regarding her suspicions, then when asked to clarify or supply reasons, she would struggle.
spies8broderick (22:53:15): My opinion is that if you are suspicious of someone, then you collect evidence to supply for a case. She didn't seem to do any of that.
spies8lilith (22:54:24): Oh, then I think you'll end up thinking I'm a mafia, LOL. I'm not good at presenting cases agains't people. I can question people and have a gauge of whether they are being sincere or not, but I'm not good at explaining away via logic why I think who it is.
spies8lilith (22:54:46): I'll probably appear dumb to people when I do have my confidence level on someone and try to explain it .
spies8broderick (22:55:7): It isn't necessarily about how well one can present a case. But if you are suspicious of someone, then why wouldn't you compile reasons why?
spies8lilith (22:55:48): Most of my reasons are usually based on instinct and if I think the person is passionate about what they are saying or if I think they are trying to fake it, lol.
spies8broderick (22:56:21): Wouldn't you be able to show something for that though?
spies8broderick (22:56:42): Something like 'In this instance, they acted... ' ?
spies8lilith (22:57:30): I'm not good with argueing and logic, but I'd be able to make a case. But depending on how well other people can use logic, they can probably find some loop holes to make my case look weak (just by using big words and long sentences).
spies8broderick (23:01:12): What about your suspicions?
spies8lilith (23:01:23): Well
spies8lilith (23:01:50): The Zed thing was the only thing that stuck out so far. And talking to him today, I didn't really see him passionately defending himself so right now I am still unsure of him.
spies8lilith (23:02:21): I actually do not think it's Jasmine because of something someone posted in the thread just nowish. And she spoke to me very briefly and I liked the way she talked to me.
spies8broderick (23:02:50): What Zed thing?
spies8lilith (23:03:14): I was thinking it was you just because you thought it was Jasmine and she was someone I don't think it is. But after what you JUST posted you shared a thought I had. I'm getting this feeling that the mafia are just going to hide under the radar and try to stay away from the fray.
spies8lilith (23:03:21): Zed slipping and saying HQ.
spies8lilith (23:03:27): But why I MOST suspected Zed.
spies8lilith (23:04:2): Was that Savaanah thought it was him (supposedly) and we KNOW Sav was a citizen. Just reminds me when I strongly think it's someone in a mafia game and no one believes me and I get off and that person keeps skipping through.
spies8lilith (23:04:9): And at the end I go "I told you it was that person!"
spies8lilith (23:04:20): I don't know, I have a lot of thoughts and they keep changing, LOL.
spies8lilith (23:04:57): Which is a good thing, because I won't trick myself into being stuck on one idea, but it's bad because people will see my thinking as "flakey" and thus non-reliable and when I DO think it's someone people will think it has no validity because I change my mind .
spies8broderick (23:05:37): What about Jasmine and something someone posted in the thread?
spies8lilith (23:05:43): Let me go read
spies8lilith (23:05:45): not thread, sorry, chat
spies8lilith (23:06:10): I'm not going to vote alone for someone I think is Spy, if there is other people I think mighr be spy as well
spies8lilith (23:06:12): that part
spies8lilith (23:06:14): I got thinking about it
spies8lilith (23:06:16): and it made sense
spies8broderick (23:06:32): Where was that said?
spies8lilith (23:06:40): like in a mafia game, if i think someone is a mafia but i don't think anyone will agree, i won't say anything because if I'm right I don't want mafia to kill me off cuz I'm the only one that thinks they're mafia
spies8lilith (23:06:43): which seemed simular here
spies8lilith (23:06:51): someone posted it in the chat just now as Jasmine saying it
spies8lilith (23:06:56): spies8tina (1:43:54 AM): spies8jasmine (2:27:36 PM): Well, I wasn't aware that Cory and Claude were voting for Isaac. they never made it known. At least not to me. I'm not going to vote alone for someone I think is Spy, if there is other people I think mighr be spy as well
spies8lilith (23:07:18): I have this thing where if people are thinking the same thing I am thinking, I think it's likely they are a citizen cuz they think like I do .
spies8broderick (23:07:21): oh lol
spies8lilith (23:07:35): Like, last night, Gabe said something in chat that I was thinking myself.
spies8lilith (23:07:51): I had only talked to Tina up to them and she was kinda matter-of-fact on everything so I couldn't get a good read on her.
spies8lilith (23:08:3): But Gabe said something that ithought too so I immediately talked to him about it
spies8lilith (23:08:15): So I could read him out more.
spies8lilith (23:08:32): My first thought was that he was town, but then I got more unsure as he kept going on about Savaanah, lol.
spies8lilith (23:08:48): So I'm not claiming I knew he was a town, I was unsure as of last night when I spoke to him, lol.
spies8broderick (23:09:55): Yeah but a spy isn't always going to think differently than you. They tend to lie and try to manipulate things to their advantage.
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spies8lilith (23:10:53): I'm not saying a spy will think different, just that it is difficult for a spy to think as a citizen. So if someone has the same thoughts as me, to me, they may have a simular citizen outlook on the game that only a citizen can have.
spies8lilith (23:11:30): A spy can try really hard to put themselves in a citizen mindset and appear as a citizen, but ultimately, they can never fake the passion and realism that a citizen's mindset goes through.
spies8broderick (23:11:35): What if they have played before, and have been a citizen before?
spies8lilith (23:11:58): Like I said, a spy can try really hard to put themselves in a citizen mindset, but they can never do it 100%.
spies8broderick (23:12:11): Why not?
spies8lilith (23:12:51): Because in the back of their mind they know who IS mafia, so when they try to convince people it's someone else, or even try to trick themselves into thinking they really think someone is a mafia, they can't do it the same way.
spies8lilith (23:13:2): Mafia know who to trust and who not to trust. They can't fake that same ignorance that town has.
spies8lilith (23:14:16): Reading back, I think i attached my own feelings to what you said in the chat, so I feel like I can be having this intense conversation with a mafia member, LOL.
spies8broderick (23:15:13): I think there is some truth to the argument that a spy won't have the same mindset as a citizen. However people who have played before know how to act and change accordingly to look like a citizen.
spies8broderick (23:15:18): Some can do it quite well.
spies8broderick (23:15:55): If they couldn't do it well, then the frequency of mislynches would be much lower.
spies8lilith (23:16:27): I don't think it's that they do it well, just that people don't know what to look for or trust their gut.
spies8lilith (23:16:40): People rely too much on logic when sometimes their instincts are much better at analyizing things.
spies8broderick (23:17:11): Guts can be wrong as well.
spies8lilith (23:17:39): They can be, but mafia, in my experience, get the citizens to lynch wrongly by using logic in some twisted morphed way.
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spies8broderick (23:18:53): I disagree. Citizens are liable to do things which looky scummy. Obviously you can have citizens who mislynch other citizens, and not a single spy is on that wagon.
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spies8broderick (23:18:59): We interpret things differently.
spies8lilith (23:20:4): I agree that citizens do things that look scummy, and that's what causes people to use logic to argue a case agains't them.
spies8lilith (23:20:12): And thus why logic can fail... haha.
spies8lilith (23:20:27): Maybe I'm a little caught up on learning about the supposed power of the unconscious and gut instrinct.
spies8lilith (23:20:58): Although I don't really believe in using all instrinct, I believe in using a little logic as well, but I believe instinct is underestimated .
spies8lilith (23:23:53): I do, however, like that you disagree with me, balances out my thoughts. Currently I am undecided on you to be honest, as I am with everyone. ... I feel like my thoughts will keep bouncing back and fourth and I'll never come to a clear idea of who it is. I do still have this feeling that mafia are bein smart and laying back to avoid attention.
spies8broderick (23:24:37): I think that is a good possiblity, that some of them are in the 'under the radar' people.
spies8lilith (23:26:11): Right now, there's six spies (someone told me this, I can't find it on the boards, although I admit I didn't look much, lol, there's so much to read I've only picked out certain parts)... which means maybe 3 on each side, or maybe we're unlucky and only have 2 on our team, and there's 13 people and more than half I've barely talked to, so it could be like everyone im talking to is a citizen and the one's i haven't are the spies =/... heh.
spies8broderick (23:27:6): I believe I said that last night. We started with seven spies (Sam said this number in the opening chat,) and Alexei was lynched, so that leaves six.
spies8broderick (23:27:25): The number of spies on each side is essentially random.
spies8broderick (23:27:40): There is a possibility that there are no spies on one team, though very very small.
spies8lilith (23:27:45): i think the two sides messes me up cuz it means we could have any number of spies on our side =/
spies8lilith (23:27:55): ya that'd be a small chance
spies8lilith (23:28:1): and pretty much screw over the town
spies8lilith (23:28:26): with one town always voting off a cit, and the other having a majority who (may) be able to prevent any of them from being voted out, lol
spies8broderick (23:28:28): Yes it can happen. There could be anywhere from 0-6 on our team.
spies8lilith (23:29:5): >_<
spies8lilith (23:29:13): Sam should switch it up immediately if that happened, lol
spies8broderick (23:29:26): lol.
spies8lilith (23:29:29): But anyways, that's irrelevent, lol.
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spies8jasmine (17:02:46): im sorry
spies8jasmine (17:02:49): i dont like there tactics
spies8jasmine (17:02:52): just saying
spies8jasmine (17:02:55): how do u force discussion
spies8jasmine (17:02:56): on a man
spies8jasmine (17:02:59): who doesnt tlk enough
spies8jasmine (17:03:2): to have a discussion
spies8jasmine (17:03:2): about
spies8jasmine (17:03:4): they r fucked up
spies8jasmine (17:03:5): in the fucking head
spies8broderick (17:03:7): lol. I agree
spies8jasmine (17:03:8): and need fucking meds
spies8jasmine (17:03:10): i need a breather
spies8broderick (17:03:29): I asked Lawrence and Isaac questions in group chats during the first episode, and they never responded. lol
spies8jasmine (17:03:45): lol.
spies8jasmine (17:04:12): i think these republicans may just focus on us, and not on themselves. and its going to piss me off. we just have to get to know them too, and not just focus on what happened at the democratic side
spies8jasmine (17:04:28): its fine if u suspect me.
spies8jasmine (17:04:31): i suspect isaac
spies8jasmine (17:04:35): but i dont know anything about the rest of them
spies8jasmine (17:04:39): and id like to, u know wat i mean?
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spies8broderick (17:05:15): I agree with that to some extent. I definitely got the feeling, especially from Gabe who outright said it. That we as Democrats were not liked much because of how our votes went down. Which is fine, I just think that for some there is the possibility of already dislike towards us.
spies8broderick (17:05:28): I don't want it to turn into an ex-democrats vs republicans deal
spies8jasmine (17:05:40): Same here. It would be a bit dumb. espically when we are suppose to be looking for spies.
spies8jasmine (17:05:51): And we are a minority of democrats, so the likelyhood of all of us being spies..isnt likely.
spies8jasmine is available (17:12:53)

[Broderick]

ZEDEKIAH

spies8zedekiah is available (16:36:14)
spies8broderick (16:36:14): Hi Zedekiah
spies8zedekiah (16:36:29): hey there partner
spies8zedekiah (16:36:37): what's up?
spies8broderick (16:37:0): Trying to read all of the posts and logs for the Republicans. lol.
spies8broderick (16:37:19): I wanted to ask you a question, if thats cool?
spies8zedekiah (16:37:29): that's fine
spies8broderick (16:38:18): K. Tina mentioned last night that one reason she voted for you the first episode was because you had said HQ and Headquarters in reference to The Burg.
spies8zedekiah (16:38:49): yes
spies8broderick (16:39:8): Had someone noticed and pointed it out, then told you what HQ meant?
spies8zedekiah (16:39:36): yes, I think gab told me around that time
spies8zedekiah (16:40:0): after sav an themba jumped on me
spies8broderick (16:42:53): Ah okay.
spies8broderick (16:48:27): What are your thoughts on the Republicans that are still Republicans?
spies8zedekiah (16:49:24): I posted most o my suspicions on everyone in the board, but honestly it's hard t' tell now
spies8zedekiah (16:49:52): I'd say my biggest suspect is still themba fer now
spies8zedekiah (16:50:30): and the least might be tina
spies8zedekiah (16:50:58): though after that last lynch....it's hard t' say
spies8broderick (16:51:15): Why those two as most and least?
spies8zedekiah (16:52:46): it's just how the evidence lines up, it's largely based on day one, where tina practically made the Alexei case, themba hopped on jus' bout every bandwaggon and ulmimately nearly got me killed in the spy's place
spies8zedekiah (16:53:13): what are yer thoughts?
spies8broderick (16:56:21): I thought the Alexei case was a Nita/Tina thing.
spies8broderick (16:57:0): I haven't had much chance to really delve into the Republicans. Last night it was mostly talking about what I thought to the few people who were on. Lilith and myself had been the only ex-Democrats on so far, if I recall right.
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[Broderick]

GABRIEL

spies8gabriel is available (14:24:0)
spies8gabriel (14:23:31): oh hey brody!! i didnt see you online D:
spies8gabriel is available (15:38:48)
spies8broderick (16:18:23): Hey Gabriel!
spies8gabriel (16:18:37): lol was talking with lawrence
spies8broderick (16:18:41): I was away at lunch then got sidetracked with work. Sorry I didn't respond
spies8gabriel (16:18:51): apparently he suspects every last one of you newbies besides lilith who he hasnt talked too
spies8broderick (16:19:25): lol. He suspects the Democrats that are now Republicans?
spies8gabriel (16:19:35): yeeep
spies8broderick (16:20:26): lol.
spies8gabriel (16:20:45): better yet he copy pasted the same thing to me steph and tina
spies8broderick (16:21:8): lol.
spies8gabriel (16:21:21): as in
spies8gabriel (16:21:30): the same response to our questions.

[Broderick]

**********Tina said Zedekiah's not talking to people wasn't enough to lynch or vot ehim over, but used that as her reason to switch off of Zlexei.******************



spies8dane (09:17:17) has entered the room.
spies8themba (09:17:17) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (09:17:17) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (09:17:22): lol Hi Dane
spies8broderick (09:17:28): I didn't see you log on
spies8themba (09:17:29): hmmm
spies8dane (09:17:29): yoyo
spies8dane (09:17:33): just got on
spies8dane (09:17:41): i would like both of your opinions
spies8dane (09:17:45): on jasmine and claude
spies8themba (09:17:48): to what do we owe the pleasure?
spies8themba (09:17:59): lol
spies8dane (09:18:1): lets start with claude
spies8dane (09:18:3): his role
spies8dane (09:18:9): I strongly believe is a spy role
spies8themba (09:18:19): no freaking idea. he's making it up as he goes along.
spies8dane (09:18:19): Jasmine disagreed
spies8themba (09:18:33): i would too.
spies8dane (09:18:34): Jasmine put up the opinion that it would be too strong in the endgame
spies8dane (09:18:48): I counter that if it is a spy role
spies8themba (09:18:54): what would be too strong?
spies8dane (09:19:3): there is probably a complementary cit role to counter it
spies8dane (09:19:6): she argued that:
spies8dane (09:19:9): in the end game
spies8dane (09:19:12): say 5 people left
spies8dane (09:19:16): 2 spies
spies8dane (09:19:26): 1 of them nullifies a citizens ability to vote
spies8dane (09:19:40): vote gets tied
spies8dane (09:19:40): cit is imprisoned
spies8dane (09:19:40): spies win
spies8broderick (09:19:54): You would be basing these scenarios on the assumption that Claude is telling the truth about his role, right?
spies8dane (09:20:23) has entered the room.
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spies8broderick (09:20:27): Crap
spies8dane (09:20:29): thats another possibility
spies8broderick (09:20:32): That was unfortunate lol
spies8themba (09:20:34): wb
spies8dane (09:20:42): I will say this
spies8broderick (09:20:59): He could have the role, he could of told the truth about what he has. But he could be lying about how many uses of each one he has
spies8dane (09:21:0): Jasmine is most likely connected to Claude, either both cit or both spy
spies8themba (09:21:1): i will say i am intrigued
spies8dane (09:21:2): thats how it seems to me
spies8broderick (09:21:16): Sam could of given him a single use of each, and he lied that there were multiple uses to make it seem more important?
spies8themba (09:21:25): well we need to get to claude.
spies8dane (09:21:34): when is he usually online?
spies8dane (09:21:43): and broderick
spies8themba (09:21:45): ......... sam please don't listen
spies8themba (09:21:50): or watch
spies8broderick (09:21:56): I think he is online right now?
spies8dane (09:21:59): you currently suspect jasmine, currect?
spies8themba (09:22:2): i don't know when he is online.
spies8dane (09:22:3): oh
spies8dane (09:22:4): whoops
spies8dane (09:22:10): i forgot he wasn't on our team
spies8broderick (09:22:16): lol
spies8themba (09:22:17): lmfao
spies8dane (09:22:22): seeing the discussion on him in our chat logs
spies8broderick (09:22:24): Yes I suspect Jasmine
spies8dane (09:22:27): confused me for a bit
spies8themba (09:22:27): ... .... ...
spies8dane (09:22:34): alright
spies8dane (09:22:37): broderick
spies8themba (09:22:42): let's go back to my fun smileys
spies8themba (09:22:48): they were fun
spies8broderick (09:22:55): Claude is.. Claude lol
spies8dane (09:23:1): actually
spies8dane (09:23:5): i'm going to go back to reading
spies8dane (09:23:19): i'm halfway through the chat log, already read the jasmine case
spies8broderick (09:23:26): Some of his basic theories on how mafia goes read straight from a manual, and don't get translated to actual practicality
spies8themba (09:24:6): in case i don't get to see you again Dane - are you going to be voting me next exile?
spies8dane (09:24:19): We still have today tomorrow andthursday
spies8dane (09:24:23): I think you'll see me
spies8themba (09:24:23): just so i know. who i need to jump on to.
spies8themba (09:24:38): ok well you let me know so i have enough time.
spies8themba (09:24:45): ta.
spies8dane (09:24:57): ttyl
spies8themba (09:25:6): xxx
spies8broderick (09:27:0): Dane, how often are you on AIM?
spies8dane (09:27:13): just depends
spies8dane (09:27:19): I try to put in an hour or two a day
spies8broderick (09:27:20): I was reading the chat logs, and the first one has you enter the chat, then roughly fifteen minutes later you left.
spies8dane (09:27:21): at least
spies8dane (09:27:31): but I was gone sunday and yesterday
spies8themba (09:27:40): and he
spies8broderick (09:27:42): Seemed like that is what happened yesterday, and it struck me as odd, and maybe a habit from the beginning lol
spies8themba (09:27:48): is more sober now.
spies8broderick (09:27:58): Oh. Was that mentioned in the away thread?
spies8themba (09:28:0): + definite cit points.
spies8themba (09:28:9): yeah, he changed.
spies8dane (09:28:39): no brod, i was gone with no internet access
spies8dane (09:28:45): and I didn't know ahead of time
spies8dane (09:28:48): personal life stuff
spies8broderick (09:29:4): Oh okay.
spies8broderick (09:29:16): Why do you think you were bribed for your vote?
spies8dane (09:29:55): possibly because I was gone for sunday and monday they assumed that I would just take the money since I didn't know what was going on anyway
spies8dane (09:30:18): possibly because one of my main suspects, Stephanie, Themba, and Zedekiah, are a spy
spies8dane (09:30:34): possibly they chose someone who wasn't as active at random
spies8dane (09:30:36): I don't know
spies8dane (09:30:42): I'd like to know though
spies8broderick (09:31:5): I imagine they would not treat the Bribe lightly, seeing as it was all made public.
spies8dane (09:31:11): I'd also like to know why they thought I was such a cheap buy
spies8broderick (09:31:13): Obviously Sam left out who tried to bribe you lol
spies8broderick (09:31:19): Cheap?
spies8dane (09:31:26): he only specified it was the spies
spies8broderick (09:31:30): Sam said there was $75 total up for the bribes
spies8broderick (09:31:56): Yeah, I highly doubt he would of named them specifically, otherwise we would then know who the spies are
spies8broderick (09:31:59): Broken game
spies8themba (09:32:10): Sorry, since when was Zed a suspect of yours?
spies8dane (09:32:22): he was fourth
spies8dane (09:32:24): not in the top 3
spies8themba (09:32:26): I must have missed that.
spies8broderick (09:32:40): Where is the missing fourth one then?
spies8themba (09:32:41): Like silent no. 4?
spies8themba (09:32:50): loool
spies8dane (09:32:56): I said he was replaced by allan when the allan case came up I believe
spies8broderick (09:33:7): You didn't say that in here lol
spies8dane (09:33:15): in the allan case
spies8broderick (09:33:17): Why do you suspect those three as spies?
spies8themba (09:33:25): brb
spies8dane (09:33:29): themba i have already posted the reasons
spies8dane (09:34:0): stephanie pushed pretty hard on me episode one, which is not too incriminating, but her reasons for how she votes came to light in episodes 2
spies8broderick (09:34:0): uh my name is Broderick
spies8broderick (09:34:2): lol
spies8dane (09:34:16): as in I have already posted my reasons on why I suspect themba
spies8broderick (09:34:23): oh okay
spies8dane (09:34:24): lol
spies8dane (09:34:39): let me think of exactly what it was...
spies8dane (09:34:42): oh yes
spies8dane (09:34:44): for stephanie
spies8broderick (09:34:47): Why can't you go over them here?
spies8dane (09:35:1): I just im'ed most of them to you
spies8dane (09:35:20): and I already spoke to themba today
spies8dane (09:35:26): and its the same reasons from last episode
spies8themba (09:35:28): you suspect me yet you get me in a pm?
spies8dane (09:35:33): no
spies8dane (09:35:37): i imed broderick
spies8dane (09:35:39): and we talked about you
spies8themba (09:35:46): really?
spies8dane (09:35:48): yes
spies8themba (09:35:52): that's nice of you.
spies8dane (09:35:54): i needed a second conversation
spies8dane (09:36:1): themba, how the fuck do you think this game works?
spies8dane (09:36:5): you talk about people
spies8dane (09:36:6): on
spies8dane (09:36:7): aim
spies8dane (09:36:17): you discuss suspicions
spies8dane (09:36:23): THAT IS HOW YOU PLAY THE FUCKING GAME
spies8dane (09:36:32): so PLEASE stop giving me crap
spies8themba (09:36:46): really? well fuck me you must have just fairy skipped the majority of the game thus far.
spies8dane (09:36:57): what the fuck are you on about now?
spies8dane (09:37:7): I've discussed suspicions one-on-one with people
spies8dane (09:37:9): i
spies8dane (09:37:14): I've posted them in the burg
spies8themba (09:37:19): really?
spies8dane (09:37:21): and I've discussed them in the group in group chats
spies8themba (09:37:27): want to talk about our one on one?
spies8themba (09:37:36): where your first post was:
spies8themba (09:37:48): I am changing my vote to Alexei?
spies8themba (09:37:57): and yet you still suspect me?
spies8themba (09:38:4): get fucked Dane.
spies8dane (09:38:7): don't be dense
spies8dane (09:38:10): you know damn well
spies8dane (09:38:37): that one of the main reasons i'm suspicious of you is your vote flipflopping and switching OFF alexei onto zed when it looked like a counterwagon might start there
spies8themba (09:39:31): i am allowed to flipflop. tis my godgiven right as a citizen. IF i made my thoughts and/or votes, secret, then you'd have a case.
spies8dane (09:39:39): you flipflopped OFF a spy
spies8dane (09:39:43): ONTO an unknown
spies8themba (09:39:45): next time you need a 3rd person, choose someone else.
spies8dane (09:39:46): RIGHT before exile
spies8themba (09:39:52): ..........
spies8dane (09:39:58): RIGHT when a counterwagon was getting started
spies8themba (09:40:6): yawn.
spies8themba (09:40:11): read some more.
spies8dane (09:40:11): all because you were "on the fence"
spies8dane (09:40:22): with your 45/55 50/50 55/45 crud
spies8dane (09:40:33): despite alexei basically GIVING UP AND ADMITTING HE WAS A SPY
spies8broderick (09:40:36): Dane, what do you think about Tina who I guess was part of the case on Alexei, but then voted for Zedekiah?
spies8dane (09:40:52): i find her about 3 times more suspicious than nita because of that switch
spies8dane (09:41:1): she gets a little leeway because she helped make the case in the first place
spies8dane (09:41:13): but besides that, her actions were not particularly scummy
spies8themba (09:41:16): it's not crud. it's the truth. how the fuck am i supposed to know? i asked the entire group if he just layed down and admitted it. only jenny had the guts to answer.
spies8dane (09:41:22): so she becomes an uncertain
spies8broderick (09:41:27): Isn't that essentially the same thing you are accusing Themba of? Of taking her vote off of Alexei and putting it onto Zedekiah?
spies8dane (09:41:36): that is ONE reason I accused themba
spies8dane (09:41:50): its the ONLY reason I have to suspect tina
spies8broderick (09:41:57): How are Tina's actions not more suspicious? You help make a case on someone, and don't vote for them?
spies8dane (09:42:34) has entered the room.
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spies8broderick (09:42:34) has entered the room.
spies8dane (09:42:36): the action is suspicious, as I said. She gained my suspicion from it.
spies8themba (09:42:37): please ask Kiara while you're there Brod.
spies8broderick (09:42:43): lol
spies8broderick (09:42:51): What am I asking Kiara?
spies8dane (09:43:50) has entered the room.
spies8themba (09:43:50) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (09:43:50) has entered the room.
spies8dane (09:43:52): she told people i believe
spies8themba (09:43:54): She pushed the Alexei case.
spies8themba (09:44:9): No she told like 2 people. That is not making it public.
spies8broderick (09:44:15): ugh my internet is blowing
spies8dane (09:44:29): did tina switch before or after you
spies8themba (09:44:40): I did - all my votes are clear. She pushed a case and you think I am scummy for changing an hour before exile.
spies8themba (09:44:49): Tina changed about 15 mins before exile.
spies8broderick (09:44:51): I don't know what was said after I said 'how are tina's' and 'what am i asking kiara' lol
spies8dane (09:45:4): so in otherwords tina switched after it was virtually certain that alexei was being exiled
spies8themba (09:45:20): Sorry?
spies8dane (09:45:21): why would a spy do that?
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spies8themba (09:46:8) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (09:46:8) has entered the room.
spies8broderick (09:46:15): lol
spies8dane (09:46:35): alright themba, since you don't seem to be in the mood to discuss civilly, i'll chat with you later
spies8broderick (09:46:37): I believe part of TIna's voting Zedekiah, had to do with Alexei telling her that he was taking his vote off of you Dane
spies8dane (09:46:53): which he didn't
spies8dane (09:46:54): fyi
spies8broderick (09:47:24): I know.
spies8dane (09:47:27): i'll post the chat log
spies8themba (09:47:33): i am not uncivil. in fact, i am friendly compared to you.
spies8broderick (09:47:34): You can't post all of it
spies8dane (09:47:41): whys that?
spies8dane (09:47:51): because you were in and out?
spies8broderick (09:48:13): You would have to ask Sam, but I know that you have to have three people in a chat to be considered public, but have no idea how it works if there are two people in the spies8republicans room
spies8broderick (09:48:16): Yeah lol
spies8broderick (09:48:22): Even though I would like to see what I missed.
spies8themba (09:48:27): lol
spies8broderick (09:48:33): I definitely lost the conversation when i went in/out.
spies8broderick (09:48:39): Burger time apparently
spies8themba (09:48:41): you missed dane and i yelling at eachother.
spies8broderick (09:48:46): lol
spies8dane (09:48:49): think of it this way
spies8themba (09:48:52): not that important.
spies8dane (09:49:0): its snippets of a 1 on 1 convo when that happens
spies8dane (09:49:7): and they are short enough they are within allowable posting
spies8dane (09:49:11): so its fine either way
spies8themba (09:49:34): it's in the republican's chatroom, so it should be fine.

[Broderick]

DANE

spies8dane is available (09:23:26)
So far behind, gotta catch up!
spies8dane (09:23:25): Hi
spies8dane (09:23:36): I need a second chat so I don't get penalty votes
spies8broderick (09:23:48): Hi
spies8dane (09:23:48): what do you think of themba so far?
spies8dane is available (09:24:38)
So far behind, gotta catch up!
spies8dane (09:24:8): you know she was initally pretty highly suspected for vote flipflopping, correct?
spies8broderick (09:24:23): No.
spies8dane is available (09:24:24)
So far behind, gotta catch up!
spies8dane (09:24:41): -_-
spies8broderick (09:24:42): I have been working on reading everything in the Republican area from before we switched over here.
spies8dane (09:24:43): well
spies8dane is available (09:24:45)
So far behind, gotta catch up!
spies8dane (09:24:50): alright, i'll catch you up real quick
spies8dane is available (09:25:6)
So far behind, gotta catch up!
spies8dane (09:25:10): i placed the first vote of the game on themba
spies8dane (09:25:20): for asking for discussion of using our No Exile
spies8dane (09:25:41): which I and others saw as a noob trap that a discussion of which could not benefit citizens
spies8dane (09:25:52): she OMGUS'd me for voting her and "not scumhunting"
spies8broderick (09:26:21): If she was a noobie to mafia and spies in general, how exactly could having a short discussion hurt anything?
spies8dane (09:26:31): then we both changed our vote to Alexei after he tried to start a counterwagon on me by hopping onto stephanies (proven false) claims against me
spies8broderick (09:26:36): Noobs don't know anything, and they tend to be shunned for asking questions.
spies8dane (09:26:55): and I was able to drive a final nail in his coffin by getting him to say he would rather vote an annoying cit
spies8dane (09:27:2): I don't think she is a noob
spies8dane (09:27:8): the danger was for other people reading the topic
spies8dane is available (09:27:48)
So far behind, gotta catch up!
spies8dane (09:27:50): anyway
spies8dane (09:27:55): as you know, alexei turned out to be a spy
spies8dane is available (09:28:9)
So far behind, gotta catch up!
spies8dane (09:28:14): but last minute, themba decided she was uncertain about zed being more suspicious than alexei, and switched her vote to him
spies8broderick (09:28:54): Ah K
spies8dane is available (09:29:16)
So far behind, gotta catch up!
spies8dane (09:29:20): trying to think of what she did episode 2 that got me a little more suspicious

[Broderick]

THEMBA


spies8themba is available (09:07:12)
spies8themba (09:07:8): hiya
spies8broderick (09:07:23): Hi Themba!
spies8themba (09:07:30):
spies8themba (09:07:48): What do you think about my comment that you and Jas are both Cits?
spies8broderick (09:09:10): I think it is possible. From my persepective I obviously know half of the equation.
spies8broderick (09:10:6): I have run into that before, where two citizens argued among themselves, however they were much more heated about it.
spies8themba (09:12:29): i go back and forth about her. i read some parts, and i think 'hey i'd say that myself' and i know what i am in the scheme of things. but then i read other things and even today 'i should just join kiara'. yeah, you're alt personality plays a part... i don't know. she seemed quick to defend herself and literally did disect that chat. so i'd add points there.
spies8themba (09:14:0): i don't know. i think lawrence is scummy as hell, but it could just be new.... personal life .... etc.
spies8broderick (09:15:46): Your character does play a part, but if you say something was not an overreaction, then admit you were yelling, then say it is part of your character. It doesn't seem straight to me.
spies8themba (09:16:22): Characters fade away as soon as they're tested, imo.
spies8broderick (09:16:40): Lawrence needs to show up more. Isaac as well
spies8broderick (09:16:43): Dane too
spies8themba (09:16:49): So what do you think of us? Quick thoughts.
spies8themba (09:17:8): Lawrence needs to get a case based off something other than reading threads.
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spies8themba (09:23:1): are you buying this?
spies8broderick (09:23:42): I am rather confused to be honest lol
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spies8themba (09:25:0): i have no idea what he just did.
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spies8broderick (09:25:23): Yeah. Neither do I.
spies8themba (09:25:31): tell tina tomorrow if i don't see her first. i think she will be surprised.
spies8broderick (09:25:34): I wonder if he lied about auto-declining the Bribe.
spies8themba (09:25:51): definitely.
spies8themba (09:26:54): think about it this way. I'm a spy. Nita has won a case, Dane helps that case, then fucks off and does nothing for the rest of that episode and the following. Others work their asses off........Hmmmmmmm........
spies8themba (09:27:12): I wonder if that means the bribe is out.
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spies8broderick (09:28:26): I don't understand why he would be bribed.
spies8broderick (09:28:32): For his vote no less
spies8themba (09:29:17): i am no longer thinking it's dane... what about tina? reread her today when you have time.
spies8broderick (09:29:52): you no longer think Dane was bribed, but Tina was?
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spies8themba (09:50:16): Still think he was bribed?
spies8broderick (09:50:44): I have no idea to be honest lol
spies8broderick (09:51:9): He didn't strike me as an obvious choice to be bribed, for his vote nonetheless. Though if he wasn't, why would he admit to it?

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INTERESTING BITS FROM THE FIRST GROUP CHAT LOG THREAD OF REPUBLICANS (CONT)

[17:32] spies8jenny: I remember last game, someone thought things in the biographies were suspicious

[17:39] spies8gabriel: also a question to the group; what do you think of danes accussation of themba based on her discussion of the no exile vote???
[17:39] spies8jenny: I'm not really worried about it. I don't think it's enough to vote her yet myself, but I can understand why he's worried.

[17:40] spies8savannah: agree with jennny

[17:43] spies8gabriel: i dunno i find it kinda odd that he hops on it when themba was only really noting the pros and cons of it...
[17:44] spies8jenny: Well I think she was honestly considering it.
[17:44] spies8savannah: i dont like that he voted before she even defended herself. but i guess she didnt really need to?
[17:44] spies8nita: She said she was considerin it
[17:44] spies8gabriel: consideration does not mean doing it.
[17:44] spies8nita: Also had more good things than bad on her list like to back up the point, no?
[17:44] spies8gabriel: that is true
[17:45] spies8gabriel: point six makes no sense
[17:45] spies8nita: Thinkin the spies would relax, yeah it's dumb
[17:45] spies8gabriel: 3 and 4 are kinda...
[17:45] spies8gabriel: I don't know.
[17:45] spies8gabriel: they seem to benefit spies more.
[17:45] spies8savannah: i agree its kind of
[17:45] spies8savannah: far-fetched
[17:45] spies8savannah: in placs
[17:46] spies8savannah: places*
[17:46] spies8nita: I can see where it goes both ways
[17:46] spies8nita: But I'm used to fast paced games where you gotta make a decision muy rapido
[17:46] spies8jenny: It doesn't help though that I think themby likes to get on in the morning when nobody else is on yet.

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LAWRENCE

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spies8lawrence (17:39:24): Hey, sorryu. Walked away for a bit to deal wth home stuff. Whats up?
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spies8broderick (17:40:55): I was just wondering what you thought so far in terms of our team members
spies8broderick (17:41:59): May I ask for specification on what chat logs? I didn't get the impression that you were on really to chat with people.
spies8broderick (17:42:8): Like the posted group ones?
spies8lawrence (17:42:17): Well, Tina is very inquisitiony, if you pardon the expression, but I think she means well. The only others I've really managed to talk to were Gabe and Stephanie.
spies8lawrence (17:42:41): I'm trying to read up on those whove been suspected now.
spies8broderick (17:43:56): Which people would those be?
spies8broderick (17:44:27): In all honesty, it seems to me that your suspects tend to originate from other people. Like you'll see who is being suspected, and then choose your suspects from those people.
spies8lawrence (17:45:19): Starting with themba. going to try to hit Stephsnie, Zed. And I've got a gut read on Dane so I'll probably read up on him, too.
spies8lawrence (17:46:15): Well, I did start people looking at Magalie last exile; at least I don't know of anyone else who was looking at her yet at thart point.
spies8lawrence (17:46:35): And I've still got that gut read on you that I can't seem to back up.
spies8lawrence (17:47:35): But. I can understand the feeling. I feel like I've been playing catch up the whole game so far.
spies8broderick (17:48:58): Well for me it started with Claude and Chance. Like the one post I had made wasn't a consensus of the group chat at at all. Then for you to have Claude and Chance as suspects right after.
spies8broderick (17:49:1): It looked really off.
spies8lawrence (17:50:58): Ok, I can see that. But, really--I had just slogged through what had been posted of the logs; they focused pretty much entirely on Claude, Chance, and Cory. Your post, to me, did summatize the entire thing pretty succinctly.
spies8lawrence (17:51:24): After that first day, did anyone really have any reads on someone other than those three?
spies8broderick (17:53:52): I can't really say whether or not people actually looked at other people, since those three were int he limelight at the time
spies8lawrence (17:54:53): And at that point, pretty much my entire interaction had been the chat logs.
spies8broderick (17:57:51): K I see. So you plan on starting with Themba, then Stephanie, Zed, and a gut read on Dane?
spies8lawrence (17:58:35): Well, I already did a pull of Isaac at his and Jasmine's request. Woefully underrepresented.
spies8broderick (17:58:59): i'm sorry, what?
spies8lawrence (17:59:9): Though I did find either a spyslip or a silly mistake; don't know which.
spies8lawrence (17:59:48): Going through the forums/chat logs and pulling evidence. Like I've been trying to do each round.
spies8broderick (18:00:13): So you pulled evidence on Isaac, after Isaac and Jasmine asked you to?
spies8lawrence (18:01:47): Yeah, Jasmine, last episode, asked my thought on Isaac. it was late, and her posy/chat question reallky brought him to my attention. So I told her I would study up; Isaac was there and said he would like that.
spies8broderick (18:03:33): What was your opinion of him after you looked him up?
spies8broderick (18:03:44): I assume you looked at things posted in the burg?
spies8lawrence (18:03:51): Yeah.
spies8lawrence (18:05:23): He's certainly suspicious. More so than Jasmine, /I think--and I definitely think they are unlikelt to be spies together. But there's not really a lot to go on for him. He speaks on occasion, enough to have a presence, but nothing ever seems to lean one way or the other.
spies8broderick (18:05:56): Why do you find him and Jasmine suspicious, and him more so?
spies8lawrence (18:05:56): Except for this, which leads me to a possible Isaac/Themba spypair
spies8lawrence (18:06:5): spies8isaac (11:46:35 PM): Haven't talked to Themba much at all either. Always coming or going when I log in and then there is the one who's gone till Saturday, so ya definitly need to hit chat up when a few others are here. Have no reading on them yet what so ever
spies8lawrence (18:06:28): This was well after parties were assigned, and in the democrat chat.
spies8lawrence (18:06:41): It's possible it was a mistake, but...
spies8broderick (18:07:9): Have you asked him about it?
spies8lawrence (18:07:42): Haven't seen him since then. Only got there after I got home today.
spies8broderick (18:12:22): Oh.
spies8broderick (18:12:34): Do you plan on talking with all of the people you will be looking at?
spies8lawrence (18:13:1): Eventually, yes. Theres a lot of log to go through, though.
spies8broderick (18:13:30): So are you primarily hunting via the logs rather than discussing with people?
spies8broderick (18:13:53): I know you said you seem like you are always playing catch up. But if you wait until you have caught up to talk to people, then won't you be missing out on things?
spies8lawrence (18:14:20): I'm an analyzer by nature. I do better when I can take my time, so yeah, mostly.
spies8lawrence (18:14:39): But I don't like to go blindly by that either.
spies8broderick (18:15:30): K. But what about not everything being covered in chat logs, and not all logs are posted?
spies8lawrence (18:16:50): Well, I look at their forum posts as well. But your right about needing to talk to prople. I just find that less rtelable of a tell for me.
spies8lawrence (18:17:0): reliable, sorry
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LILITH

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spies8lilith (22:11:30): Were you the one that suspected Dane a little bit?
spies8broderick (22:11:48): I don't think so?
spies8broderick (22:11:53): I think he is paranoid
spies8lilith (22:12:1): O
spies8lilith (22:12:2): kk
spies8lilith (22:12:4): nevermind then XD
spies8lilith (22:13:43): Why were you suspcious of Jasmine?
spies8broderick (22:14:57): I still am suspicious of her.
spies8broderick (22:15:12): It started with her overreaction to my FoS' before the first exile
spies8broderick (22:17:11): Also. It seemed to me that she would make statements of certainty regarding her own suspicions, but when she was asked to give reasons she would struggle

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KIARA

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spies8broderick (21:15:14): Hi, are you there?
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spies8kiara (21:41:0): oh, hey brod. sorry, whats up?
spies8broderick (21:45:55): Hi
spies8kiara (21:46:37): whats going on?
spies8broderick (21:47:37): I was wondering who you were suspicious of
spies8kiara (21:50:22): well, of the old republicans the ones who worry me the most would be themba and stephanie, with honorable mentions from dane and tina. from you new guys it would be lawrence, but thats mostly second hand information
spies8kiara (21:50:42): what about you?
spies8broderick (21:51:52): Why those people?
spies8broderick (21:52:29): From the ex-Democrats it would be Jasmine, Lawrence, Isaac, then Lilith. If I ranked them from most suspicious to least suspicious
spies8kiara (21:53:45): thembas biggest thing that bothers me right now is the fact that she was quick to point out that alexeis laying down and dying was him admitting to being a spy, but then not voting him.
spies8broderick (21:54:18): From the Republicans, I am more suspicious of Tina than anyone else. Dane is absolutely paranoid. Everyone else, I really haven't had time to really read up on
spies8kiara (21:55:20): i like steph, i do, but a lot of things she says are downright goofy. for example after the first challenge round she was saying to me that she was suspious of jas but she did well in the challenge so she wasnt as much anymore. i tell her theres no real reason for a spy to sabatoge because someone is gonna win, so doing well doesnt mean much. she then tells me that she said that exact same thing to gabe earlier. um, what?
spies8kiara (21:56:7): tina is mostly a gut thing. something just feels wrong, but i havent been able to look too much into it yet. same goes for dane, but it isnt as strong of a feeling
spies8kiara (21:57:9): as for you new guys, i get the vibe that you and jas are dueling citizens. lilith is new so it is hard to hold anything against her as of yet. and i havent head much about isaac so lawrence is kind of the default frontrunner. the fact that people say that he talks nonsence doesnt help either
spies8broderick (21:57:24): What if someone on the other team was a spy and probably more likely to get the huge power more than a spy on this team?
spies8kiara (21:59:32): thats actually something i was considering recently, seeing as how owen seems to be the uncontested nominee over here. but 2 out of 3 times we started with a 15 minute lead but only won by like 5. so if thats the case they did a poor job. on the other hand, if shortly after we figured a part out a spy on our side told a spy on theirs and they suddenly had a eureka moment that could happen, but thats really risky imo
spies8broderick (22:00:40): Yeah, it is risky. But I had been thinking about our headstarts. I think without them, we definitely would of lost. They seemed to of finished not long after we did, even with the 15 minute headstarts.
spies8broderick (22:01:17): I think that speaks to them, they ultimately were quicker at in than we were, since they had to wait fifteen minutes
spies8kiara (22:01:55): but they could have been getting the puzzle from someone on out side before they started. in theory
spies8kiara (22:02:12): i think it unlikely, but its possible
spies8broderick (22:02:49): They definitely could of
spies8kiara (22:02:51): spies is a long game. blowing you cover for an unknown power? i wouldnt do it
spies8kiara (22:03:39): the power getter is immune for what, two imprisonments. so thats two exiles? even if we did awesome and got two spies, they could take the role out and not have to worry about it anymore
spies8broderick (22:03:47): Apparently it is the biggest power ever in the spies series *shrug*
spies8broderick (22:04:1): No, imprisonments are the night kills
spies8kiara (22:04:9): no, you misunderstood
spies8broderick (22:04:19): Oh ok. Time span wise
spies8kiara (22:04:24): yeah
spies8kiara (22:05:17): who knows how awesome itll even be, none of the claimed roles have been so great. so being the greatest among mediocrty isnt saying much
spies8kiara (22:05:28): wow i butchered that word lol
spies8broderick (22:05:45): lol
spies8broderick (22:06:5): Well Sam said it was the best out of the entire series, so I imagine it will be huge. He has used a loooot of stuff
spies8kiara (22:06:39): i really dont know a whole lot about the series. i had enough stuff to catch up on this game when i replaced old kiara haha
spies8broderick (22:07:45): lol
spies8kiara (22:08:33): since ive got you already, could you give me the cliff note back story on isaac? i really dont know anything about the guy
spies8broderick (22:09:30): He is a quiet guy
spies8broderick (22:09:37): He isn't one of the loudmouths
spies8broderick (22:09:44): tends to sit back in group chats
spies8kiara (22:10:28): sounds like me. i got lost in group chats
spies8kiara (22:18:43): bah, stupid computer
spies8broderick (22:19:5): Damn that sucks
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LILITH
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spies8lilith (15:56:10): Were you the one suspecting Jasmine and Dane? I get you and Owen confused, lol.
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spies8broderick (15:58:12): Jasmine yes, Dane no
spies8lilith (15:58:24): ah
spies8lilith (15:58:31): Jasmine and someone else then?
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spies8broderick (15:59:51): Just Jasmine really for full blown suspicions. There are other people that have piqued my radae
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spies8lilith (19:57:55): I think I like you. LOL. I think our suspiscions are of or going to be about the same people eventually. XD
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spies8lilith (20:02:17): Would you be interested in hearing about my suspects?
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spies8lilith (20:02:38): Ok
spies8lilith (20:02:55): I think Dane and Zed are citizens after I read how Alexei interacted with them.
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spies8lilith (20:03:38): Just looking at their interaction, seems like they are ignoring eachother.
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spies8lilith (20:03:45): As a citizen you want to look at everyone.
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spies8lilith (20:03:59): Also, Tina claims when she talked to Jenny about Alexei, she never gave an opinion.
spies8lilith (20:04:1): But anyways.
spies8lilith (20:04:6): Tina I am leaning towards as town.
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spies8broderick (20:06:27): I think the hi/bye thing is kind of a null tell. Some people don't like each other, so probably are not going to greet each other
spies8lilith (20:06:36): Stephanie and Jasmine I keep changing my mind on, but I think it's odd the way Jasmine agreed with me on pushing Zed the other day. I was pushing to see his reaction, and afterwards, felt more unsure. She was pushing and seemed unphased by anything he was responding. I almost feel like she was leading me down the wrong path and encouraging me. She kept repeating "OMG does anyone else love Lilith" and I outright said each time u say that i think u r a spy, half jokingly, half thinking she is tryin to get me on her good side, but then she stays completey quiet after I say that... BUT... I don't want and have not told anyone but you that I am wary of Jasmine. I want to let her keep thinking we are buddy-buddy. Let her guard down so I can further examine how she acts. If she gives her own opinions or just keeps encouraging what I think of. So I would appreciate it if you didn't tell anyone I suspect her, YET.
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spies8lilith (20:07:10): And Kiara is someone who I am having a hard time getting to read, I don't feel like she's put in any input. Someone laying under the radar.
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spies8lilith (20:08:9): What do you think?
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spies8broderick (20:08:56): lol K
spies8broderick (20:09:1): Like she is buttering you up?
spies8broderick (20:09:15): What would she aim to achieve by doing that?
spies8lilith (20:09:16): She was, yes.
spies8lilith (20:09:18): Yesterday anyways.
spies8lilith (20:09:30): Me leading a lynch agains't Zed, being wrong and making me look like a spy for doing so.
spies8broderick (20:09:39): I remember her saying the 'omg loves lilith' lines
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spies8lilith (20:10:4): In private, she kept agreeing with me on Zed. And the way we questioned Zed, she didn't seem to be changing her mind or rethinking things.
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spies8broderick (20:11:1): Hmm
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spies8broderick (20:11:19): I honestly am getting creeped out at how there are lots of people in the room, but some aren't even talkin
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spies8lilith (20:12:3): I feel like they may not be paying attention or something, but Kiara is someone I've noticed doesn't contribute as much, lol.
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spies8broderick (20:12:29): Yeah, I said her name a couple of times, twice It hink but nada
spies8lilith (20:12:32): I told Jasmine everytime I say something, I feel like no one responds to me, and she said it's just that the republicans are quiet, lol.
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spies8broderick (21:20:19): lol. I was saying that if I was mostly ignoring anyone out of the exDemocrats, it would of been you. Since at the time I had not even met you, new or old
spies8lilith (21:20:40): It's ok, I think.
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TINA
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spies8tina (16:03:17): You saw that one quote that apparently Law found recently correct?
spies8tina (16:03:32): From Isaac a long ways back?
spies8broderick (16:03:52): I don't think he showed it to me, but he told me about it. I would have to look in my chat log
spies8tina (16:04:8): That actually is the one thing that is really hanging me up on him right now.
spies8tina (16:04:22): If he knew about it from a long time ago, his jump makes sense.
spies8tina (16:04:41): He is just never on though so I cannot ask him.
spies8broderick (16:05:2): I don't think he knew about it from a long time ago. It seemed he found it when he was pulling evidence on Isaac yesterday or the day before.
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spies8tina (16:05:58): Like Steph and Themba using the "If I was a spy" defense. Makes no sense.
spies8broderick (16:06:53): I actually haven't read his response yet, just saw that he did.
spies8broderick (16:07:5): Kiara I think was talking about Themba using that argument last night
spies8tina (16:07:20): Themba and Steph have used it quite a bit.
spies8broderick (16:07:59): I assume you are talking about them saying that 'if they were a spy they would do such and such', or something like that?
spies8tina (16:08:10): Pretty much.
spies8broderick (16:08:12): In response to questions or accusations against them?
spies8tina (16:08:35): I will see if I can find some of them real quick.
spies8broderick (16:08:37): be right back sorry phone
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spies8themba (9:47:42 PM): Np. The only other thing I wanted to say is... if i was a spy, wouldn't it have been easier for me to just stay where i was, on my lame spybuddy, rather than change to zed and risk all of this scrutiny? Just a thought for you. Cause I really don't want to be exiled yet.

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spies8tina (16:18:5): That was an example of it being used very explicitly.
spies8broderick (16:18:12): It is.
spies8broderick (16:18:33): I'm kind of iffy on those types of arguments, because citizens can use them, though I don't think very often.
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spies8tina (16:19:30): Right. It is just an "ignore the following comment" warning flag.
spies8tina (16:19:56): If it is used as a defense it is more of a tell.
spies8broderick (16:21:11): If the argument is used more than once, I kinda think it shows they are thinking of it before they are being questioned about something.
spies8broderick (16:21:26): I dont think citizens necessarily look at their actions that way, of how they will be perceived
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spies8tina (21:24:24): Are you confused too or is it just me here?
spies8tina (21:24:38): I just am completely lost again as to what the right move is.
spies8tina (21:24:55): I almost want to vote Isaac, but cannot explain it enough even to make myself somewhat happy.
spies8tina (21:25:5): I like the response from Law though.
spies8broderick (21:25:37): Confused about what?
spies8broderick (21:25:52): I actually still haven't read that thread lol. I keep getting distracted by the group chat
spies8tina (21:26:6): For me confused about my vote.
spies8tina (21:27:45): spies8stephanie 9:09 pm
an easy target would have been to go with one of your suspicions
spies8tina (21:27:53): You can see what comes of this in public or go with that.
spies8broderick (21:28:10): I quoted that bit, thought I didn't put her name in front of it and she huh'd me lol
spies8tina (21:28:12): Do not want to throw it out there incase you have a motive
spies8broderick (21:30:54): She makes me feel insane
spies8tina (21:31:38): Well, the thing about her is she usually comes off as really genuine to me.
spies8tina (21:31:47): She really believes what she is saying.
spies8broderick (21:32:57): I think she is either a spy or a rather lousy newb citizen who is lost
spies8tina (21:37:32): Where are you on Isaac right now?
spies8tina (21:37:44): That is where I am still stuck.
spies8broderick (21:38:57): He is a bit of a mystery, can't really get a good read on him. I asked him his suspects earlier, and he said Themba. He was readin the case on her and found it odd no one was still persuing it
spies8tina (21:39:12): He thinks Themba is citizen though.
spies8tina (21:39:26): That is one of the things that is bugging me.
spies8broderick (21:39:44): Did she become citizen to her after their chat?
spies8broderick (21:39:49): *him
spies8tina (21:39:55): I think so.
spies8tina (21:40:17): Not to mention the massive confusing conversation we had last night where he laid out why he would vote Chance if he was still on the Dems and everything happened the way it did but Chance was not immune.
spies8broderick (21:41:0): lol that must of been his 'odd chat with Tina already' lol
spies8broderick (21:41:23): I wonder what happened in their chat then. He suspected her, talked to her, then she became a citizen?
spies8tina (21:41:36): Seems that way.
spies8tina (21:47:17): spies8isaac (8:22:38 PM):I actually already had a nice chat with Themba and she helped clear up some things I was unsure of
spies8tina (21:47:20):
spies8isaac (2:20:23 PM): Thats just it, figuring out a top 3 at the moment is what I'm working on. There were some compelling arguments against Themba but it's a lot of reading I still need to do to fully decide and the Lawrence argument is probably the strongest one at the moment. He was definitely a bit suspicious over on the dems side too. But for a third I'm still looking

spies8tina (21:47:27): That was what it was changed to and what it was.
spies8tina is idle (22:10:11)
spies8tina (22:14:1): Do you agree with my thoughts on Isaac or am I just insane here?
spies8tina (22:14:15): Last exile I think he started getting all into a Jasmine exile.
spies8tina (22:14:29): This time he comes in talking about Themba and Lawrence, Jas isn't mentioned.
spies8tina (22:14:51): He talkes with Themba and that goes away, so now he is on Law who is the flavor of the day and I actually am thinking is a cit now.
spies8tina (22:15:14): He just seems to have tossed aside what he put up "incase he was imprisoned" and latched onto something easy.
spies8tina is available (22:53:10)
spies8tina (23:09:53): So what are your thoughts on Isaac from what I said?
spies8broderick (23:13:1): I actually can't recall him discussing Jasmine recently
spies8tina (23:13:11): He made a thread on her.
spies8tina (23:13:40): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dems&action=display&thread=533
spies8broderick (23:14:0): Isn't that his thread on her in case he got imprisoned?
spies8tina (23:14:22): Right, which was around exile 2 correct?
spies8tina (23:14:42): Yeah about six days ago.
spies8broderick (23:14:46): I believe it was right after the first exile?
spies8tina (23:15:16): Right around second one.
spies8tina (23:15:28): I think when it was starting more or less.
spies8tina (23:16:3): So it was very recent.
spies8tina (23:16:14): Especially when two of those six days were break.
spies8broderick (23:16:35): Since we have switched teams, I can't recall him discussing Jasmine
spies8tina (23:19:11): Right, which is odd.
spies8tina (23:19:53): He dropped what appeared to be his last will suspicion for Themba which was word of mouth and subseuently dropped, and Lawrence who is a flavor of the week suspicion.
spies8broderick (23:24:21): Though it honestly hadn't really occurred to me to ask him, as I had been asking him about his current suspicions
spies8tina (23:24:46): Right, I had been caught up on his whole confusing thing about Chance.
spies8tina is available (23:32:45)
spies8tina (00:25:26): Ok apparently I am only getting disconnected from group chat right now.
spies8tina (00:25:40): So what are your basic thoughts on Larry-Isaac?
spies8broderick (00:25:56): IT looks like it. says your still typing
spies8broderick (00:26:4): lol
spies8tina (00:26:18): Well it tells me I am disconnected from it.
spies8broderick (00:26:56): They are both lurkers and quiet. They hang back. Isaac actually is on AIM and will chat with you. So he is definitely one up on Lawrence
spies8tina (00:27:29): Well, in activity yes Isaac is better, but on a whole you also agree with that or are there other factors?
spies8broderick (00:27:53): What do you mean on a whole?
spies8tina (00:28:12): You only discussed them activity wise, I was wondering spy read wise.
spies8broderick (00:29:42): Lawrence I'm suspicious of because basically what I've always been suspicious of. I think he takes his suspects from those in the limelight. Meaning those that other people have mentioned. Which I guess makes much more sense because of his 'scum hunting style' or reading logs, which is what other people are saying obviously.
spies8broderick (00:30:31): It has always been something in the back of my mind, never a full blown case suspicion. Seeing the way that he was picked up on after the move, I just feel is bandwagony.
spies8tina (00:31:6): Well, I agree which is why I made that big post against him.
spies8tina (00:31:24): I sort of liked his response though, and subsequent post.
spies8tina (00:31:41): Also is there anyone that has not shown interest in his exile?
spies8broderick (00:31:49): He has been one of the largest topics of discussion, and I think had he been a person who was on AIM a whole lot more, he wouldn't of found his way into numerous suspicion lists
spies8broderick (00:32:43): Hmm. Kiara has mentioned him, you have, Themba has, Jasmine has, Isaac has, I've mentioned him, Zedekiah has. I don't think Dane has
spies8broderick (00:32:48): Owen I would have to check
spies8tina (00:33:0): Owen has but is voting Isaac right now.
spies8broderick (00:33:4): Stephanie has
spies8tina (00:33:6): At least I think he is.
spies8broderick (00:33:32): Lilith has I think
spies8tina (00:33:39): One of my big things with Law is, if he is spy, it goes directly against all my other spy reads.
spies8tina (00:33:57): Unless he is getting hardcore bussed.
spies8broderick (00:34:34): He would have to be. Almost the entire team has mentioned him, not necessarily in voting for him; buth e has been there
spies8tina (00:35:3): Even if not voting, as a top couple suspect at worse.
spies8broderick (00:36:1): I don't think the case against him, or the evidence for that matter fits the amount of people who have him on their minds.
spies8tina (00:36:22): So you think he is more likely cit?
spies8broderick (00:37:41): It feels like people are jumping on it, so it makes me question his alignment. He could be a spy, and I could just be having bad gut instincts. I don't know.
spies8tina (00:37:58): That is where I am, even after starting this wagon on him.
spies8broderick (00:38:1): He could be quite oblivious to what is going on, but he doesn't seem concerned to me that he could be exiled
spies8broderick (00:38:3): If that makes sense
spies8tina (00:38:42): I think that I just gave a misexile momentum and am not seeing if I cannot put someone else up.
spies8tina (00:39:14): I think Isaac would be that person.
spies8broderick (00:39:42): Part of the problem for me is that I doubt all of the jumpers are spies. Most are probably lazy or lost citizens.
spies8broderick (00:39:47): lol which then it is just annoying
spies8tina (00:40:1): Some of his suspicions read odd, he is wagoning Larry blatantly, I have gut all over the place on him.
spies8tina (00:40:28): Well, it is good for people to not lock themselves in.
spies8broderick (00:41:15): He was pretty set on Claude
spies8broderick (00:41:38): Would be interesting to know what happened to his Jasmine suspicion
spies8tina (00:41:40): Yes he was. Still says he would vote him if he could.
spies8tina (00:41:46): That is what I want to ask him.
spies8tina (00:42:7): If you see him and get an answer before I do IM/PM me it.
spies8tina (00:42:49): I am going to get sleep. See you tomorrow.
spies8broderick (00:42:55): Night

[Broderick]

KIARA
6/30

spies8kiara (16:26:0): coming from one replacement, lilith is really starting to tick my radar with the 'i dont know whats going on' thing. she cant even get the teams straight, after her and i talked about it last night? huh?
spies8broderick (16:27:34): lol Did you? I dont recall if it was in the group chat
spies8kiara (16:27:46): no, it was 1 on 1
spies8broderick (16:27:53): She keeps thinking I suspect Dane, and today was the second time I told her it wasn't me.
spies8broderick (16:27:56): It could be an act
spies8kiara (16:28:47): im really starting to not buy it. i almost have her one of my immunity votes, being a replacement and all and i know i would have been pissed to get imprisoned after replacing, but now i dont think i will
spies8kiara is available (16:29:3)
spies8kiara is away (23:09:25)
spies8kiara is idle (16:39:8)
spies8kiara (16:40:55): still, keeping track of people isnt this hard
spies8broderick (16:41:30): It really shouldn't be.

[Broderick]

ISAAC
6/30

spies8broderick (18:24:50): Hi Isaac
spies8isaac (18:25:14): Hey Broderick, just a second, posting a thread in the burg
spies8broderick (18:25:21): Sure
spies8isaac (18:27:48): Ok, all good. Just had to post a general observation I've felt since moving over here....hope it goes over ok...lol
spies8isaac (18:29:18): Whoops, posted it in wrong thread...lol. Too late now
spies8broderick (18:30:2): lol. What thread did you post it in?
spies8isaac (18:30:47): The general burg thread...lol. Oh well, I'm sure some dems feel the same way...lol
spies8broderick (18:31:18): You could probably delete the info and repost it in the Republican thread?
spies8isaac (18:31:37): I can edit posts here? Thats usually a huge no no in mafia
spies8broderick (18:32:33): I think it would be okay since you posted it in the wrong board, but Sam is online. You can ask him to move it
spies8isaac (18:32:50): I did, no response...I'll move it....lol
spies8isaac (18:35:38): lol, fixed. Guess I hit the back button one two many times. Have you had a chance to meet everyone over here yet?
spies8broderick (18:36:1): I have, even if just in a general chat sort of way lol
spies8broderick (18:36:3): Have you?
spies8isaac (18:37:4): Well I've seen everyone talk in the group challenges, haven't really had a chance to chat with each one. Owen is the hardest one to track down and apparently I'm not the only one to think that...lol. Any read on him yet?
spies8broderick (18:38:34): He was around here last night for awhile. I got a decent chat in with him
spies8isaac (18:39:26): Ya, I guess he's on late and I just miss him. A couple people kept saying he'd be the vote for the ultimate power, so was just wondering what people thought of him'
spies8broderick (18:40:12): I have seen his name thrown around. I honestly can't say anything about it, 'cus I don't have a solid read on any of the Republicans at this point really
spies8isaac (18:41:10): Ya, the only onse I've actually chated with for a good while so far are Zed and tina and of course all the old dems
spies8broderick (18:55:15): Sorry, got distracted with the group chat.
spies8broderick (18:55:24): Where is your head currently at in terms of suspicions?
spies8isaac (18:57:20): Well I was questioning the Themba case earlier and it seems people all around are still suspicious of her but no one is persuing it. After looking into to it is is definitly odd. She is a suspect in my mind. I still need to meet a few to even draw a conclusion as well. And we only have one day left...lol
spies8broderick (18:58:34): Have you spoken to Themba about it?
spies8isaac (18:59:55): Nope, not yet. Was questiong Tina and Zed about it though. Also got into an odd chat with Tina already...but it appears most of the Republicans strong leads switched teams when we did
spies8broderick (19:02:15): Why haven't you spoken to Themba directly about it yet? COnsidering it is a case against her, and you actually suspect her?
spies8isaac (19:02:57): She wasn't on earlier when I questioned the other two...thats the only reason
spies8broderick (19:08:44): Ah K. I see.
spies8broderick (19:08:48): She is on now though lol
spies8isaac (19:09:16): Ya.....but chatting with lilith at the moment and getting a read.....then it's all Themba chat....lol
spies8broderick (19:11:57): lol

[Broderick]

THEMBA
6/30

spies8themba (18:26:24): are we talking about steph's votes atm?
spies8broderick (18:26:48): I believe so
spies8broderick (18:26:58): We just started really lol
spies8themba (18:27:0): cool. just so i know where we're at.
spies8themba (18:27:19): oh good! will be nice to come in towards the start. plus i already know what she'll say anyway i think.
spies8broderick (18:27:32): I just got back maybe ten minutes ago. Haven't had a chance to read up what I had missed.
spies8broderick (18:28:5): Yeah Jasmine asked Kiara who she suspected, I asked Jasmine who she suspected, Jasmine asked me. I asked why Jasmine was wary of Stephanie, which is how we got onto Stephanie lol
spies8themba (18:29:1): no me neither.
spies8themba (18:29:22): and ahhhh Jasmine is taking up on Steph? has she given up on Isaac? * checks if Isaac can be voted *
spies8themba is available (18:30:3)
... at work. You know the drill.
spies8broderick (18:30:17): She said she was trying to look elsewhere
spies8themba is available (18:30:27)
... at work. You know the drill.
spies8themba (18:30:32): interesting.
spies8themba is available (18:30:44)
... at work. You know the drill.
spies8broderick (18:30:51): I still am suspect of Isaac, but im trying to let that go to get to know the republicans a bit more
spies8broderick (18:30:55): Is what she said
spies8themba (18:31:42): interesting again. makes not much sense to me, but each to their own i guess. i think i'll be voting lawrence. am going to address some of his responses to tina in a minute.

[Broderick]

STEPHANIE
6/30

spies8stephanie (19:06:58): well i posted in the voting thread and i have said a bunch of times that i didn't understand his suspicions at all
spies8stephanie (19:07:9): he pinged me from the first time i talked to him
spies8stephanie (19:07:34): he had a gut read on you, most suspicious of jas, but was voting isaac or themba
spies8stephanie (19:08:2): does any of that make sense?
spies8broderick (19:08:35): Have you spoken to him at all?
spies8stephanie (19:08:49): he told me that he was preparing a case on isaac, but then when i asked him about it later, he just pointed me to jas's case
spies8stephanie (19:08:55): not a lot
spies8stephanie (19:09:12): i talked to him briefly when he told me his susp
spies8stephanie (19:09:28): and then in the main chat where the convo in the vote thread came from
spies8stephanie (19:09:41): he hasn't been here a lot
spies8stephanie (19:09:52): who is your vote on btw?
spies8broderick (19:11:43): He really hasn't
spies8broderick (19:11:49): My vote isn't on anyone at the moment.
spies8stephanie (19:14:2): and suspects at the moment?
spies8broderick (19:15:1): Right now, my top two are Jasmine and yourself
spies8stephanie (19:15:39): well i know that you are wrong about me, i don't know about jas
spies8stephanie (19:16:8): she seems to cause a lot of unnecessary disruption in the chat
spies8stephanie is available (19:18:33)
spies8broderick (19:19:8): I can agree with the unnecessry disruption

[Broderick]

JASMINE
6/30

spies8jasmine (20:54:38): i know
spies8jasmine (20:54:40): its such BS
spies8jasmine (20:54:56): i almost wish we threw it, let cinnamyn/awohali get the immunities
spies8broderick (20:56:24): rofl
spies8jasmine is available (20:56:36)
spies8broderick (20:56:53): All the talk about 'not wanting a division between exdems and orig repubs' is kind of like bullshit
spies8jasmine (20:57:36): ya, because there is always going to be a divide.