Episode 2: Conversations with Ice Cream

[Broderick]

CINNAMYN

Monday, June 21, 2010
spies8cinnamyn (17:01:42): ayyyyyyyye broderick whatsup punkin
spies8broderick (17:02:31): Hi Cinnamyn. Considering my options for dinner.
spies8broderick (17:02:35): You?
spies8cinnamyn (17:02:55): o u no me lmbo..alwayz thinkin' bout food
spies8broderick (17:03:4): haha
spies8cinnamyn (17:03:15): but i alredy ate, i had sum meatloaf
spies8cinnamyn (17:03:25): tho tha ice cream in da freezer seemz 2 b callin' my name
spies8broderick (17:03:45): Yum meatloaf. Dessert is there for a reason!
spies8cinnamyn (17:04:25): i mean i wudnt want it 2 go 2 waste..rite.?
spies8broderick (17:04:50): Think of it as saving it from the garbage can!
spies8cinnamyn (17:05:26): n' i wud hate 4 sumthin' 2 b unfairly thrown away..i am all 4 fairness
spies8broderick (17:06:55): lol. What kind of icecream?
spies8cinnamyn (17:07:47): moose trax.!
spies8cinnamyn (17:07:48): mmmmmm
spies8cinnamyn (17:07:56): dats sum gud shit tho
spies8broderick (17:09:4): lol. I haven't had that flavor. Chocolate, peanutbutter and fudge?
spies8cinnamyn (17:09:37): awww yea bb
spies8cinnamyn (17:10:2): dat n' mint chocolate chip..n' das' really all i need
spies8cinnamyn (17:10:7): if i cud live on jus' ice cream u no i wud.!
spies8broderick (17:12:53): lol. Have you had Half Baked by Ben & Jerry?
spies8broderick (17:13:14): Chocolate and vanilla ice cream with fudge and cookie dough
spies8broderick (17:13:30): fudge brownies that is
spies8cinnamyn (17:14:31): ben n' jerry b expensie do' aint it.? i aint got a lot
spies8cinnamyn (17:14:39): so ushally i jus' go wit generic shit
spies8broderick (17:15:59): It can be expensive.
spies8cinnamyn (17:17:56): so wut did u think of las' nite.?
spies8broderick (17:24:33): Oh wow sorry. It didn't tell me there was a new message.
spies8broderick (17:24:58): Hold on actually. I think there is a helicopter landing on the street in front of here.
spies8cinnamyn (17:25:49): shit run da spiez iz comin 4 u.!
spies8cinnamyn signed off at 17:27:3
spies8broderick (17:29:8): lol. Sadly it is life flight. I hope who ever it is will be okay.

[Broderick]

At work right now. Two hours left, and no one else is arriving. So I essentially just have to sit here and watchthe clock tick, in case they have any questions.

Since I am not at home, I can't log my chats.


[16:33] spies8claude: has joined the chat
[16:33] spies8gertrude: has joined the chat
[16:33] spieschatcamera: has joined the chat
[16:33] spies8jasmine: has joined the chat
[16:33] spies8lawrence: has joined the chat
[16:33] spies8margot: has joined the chat
[16:33] spies8broderick: has joined the chat
[16:33] spies8margot: well, i'm not going to just lie there and take being exiled in the next vote
[16:33] spies8margot: hey broderick
[16:33] spies8jasmine: Margot did u hear all the shit about claude's role tho?
[16:33] spies8broderick: Hi Margot
[16:33] spies8jasmine: I don't see what lynching him then would do.
[16:33] spies8jasmine: Hey Brod, sex?
[16:33] spies8margot: yeah, i did hear
[16:33] spies8jasmine: Then if we lynch him, we could just be doing the spies work for them.
[16:34] spies8jasmine: If he really is the majority whip, shouldnt we let them imprison him?
[16:34] spies8broderick: No thanks
[16:34] spies8margot: probably, yeah
[16:34] spies8margot: so i'll probably vote for gertrude
[16:34] spies8jasmine: and whats your reasoning? her swapping votes to camilla?
[16:35] spies8margot: yes, and since i can't vote for claude because he has the majority whip role
[16:35] spies8jasmine: anyone else you think might be a spy?
[16:35] spies8jasmine: other then gertrude.
[16:35] spies8margot: Chance
[16:36] spies8jasmine: Cause everyone else does?
[16:36] spies8margot: because he was protected and we can't vote for him
[16:36] spies8margot: could be protecting a spy
[16:37] spies8margot: or protecting a top spy suspect to create confusion later on
[16:37] spies8jasmine: gotchaa
[16:37] spies8margot: plus he posted in the tallies thread that if he could vote, he'd vote for claude
[16:37] spies8margot: and if claude does in fact have a role that will benefit the citizens
[16:37] spies8margot: then why help the spies by getting rid of him?
[16:38] spies8margot: even if i was about talking of voting for him, but that's purely emotional
[16:38] spies8jasmine: I love emotional men, like Chance.
[16:39] spies8broderick: What about her vote swapping makes her votable Margot?
[16:39] spies8margot: emotions <3
[16:39] spies8broderick: sorry in and out for the next few minutes. Dinner rush
[16:39] spies8jasmine: I'm going to be back and forth as well for aboit an hour or so.
[16:39] spies8jasmine: I'll keep checking back.
[16:39] spies8margot: i'll be heading out in a bit for a storm
[16:40] spies8margot: her reasoning to change her vote from me to camilla
[16:40] spies8lawrence: Doing dinner myself. Will return eventually.
[16:40] spies8margot: was pretty much the one i had. it was "bandwagony"
[16:40] spies8margot: and yet, even though my vote was kind of like it, i'm the one that's getting the suspicion
[16:40] spies8margot: at least look at gertrude
[16:41] spies8broderick: I think both of you are getting suspicion. Awohali did name her as the worst.
[16:41] spies8broderick: Did you have suspicions of Claude before your Camilla vote Margot?
[16:41] spies8margot: yes, but i saw the chat posted and it looks like i will be the one that will be getting exiled, even though awohali named her "the worst"
[16:41] spies8margot: yes, i did
[16:42] spies8broderick: The chat that Gertie posted?
[16:42] spies8margot: but now that he claimed a role, i'm reluctant to vote for him if his role will help us citizens
[16:42] spies8margot: yeah, the tuesday night chat
[16:42] spies8margot: i'd actually want to vote for Chance since he was protected from being voted out this exile
[16:42] spies8broderick: Have you given it thought, that you voted for Camilla who was Claude's top suspect. Who himself was a suspect of your own?
[16:43] spies8margot: but we can't, so that's not a possibility
[16:43] spies8broderick: you would want to vote for him simply because he was protected?
[16:43] spies8broderick: Why?
[16:43] spies8margot: because either he was protected because the spies wanted to keep him around to create suspicion around him
[16:43] spies8margot: or he himself is a spy
[16:44] spies8jasmine: ya, c ya later
[16:44] spies8jasmine: has left the chat
[16:44] spies8broderick: So you think the Exile Immunity is a spy ability?
[16:44] spies8margot: and yeah, i see that voting for camilla even though claude was on my suspect list was a little strange. i did it because i was chatting with
[16:44] spies8margot: for right now, yeah. i'll reread the post saying that
[16:45] spies8broderick: huh?
[16:46] spies8margot: i was chatting with claude in a chatroom i think, and he told me about how camilla reacted with him, and even though i might not have liked him, i agreed with him
[16:47] spies8margot: and i've said that i respect him for being very active and trying to create discussion
[16:47] spies8margot: even if that means he's saying that i'm scum
[16:48] spies8broderick: I dont understand that. You take a suspicion lead from your suspect?
[16:48] spies8broderick: Well from someone you suspect at least
[16:49] spies8margot: the vote was going cory, camilla, claude. i never got the chance to talk with camilla
[16:49] spies8margot: so maybe my vote came from an "activity" standpoint in making my choice between claude and camilla
[16:50] spies8broderick: Heh. So you didn't really vote based on who was more suspicious to you? But more active?
[16:51] spies8margot: it was a combination of the two. i was suspicious of both camilla because of the evidence presented against her and claude
[16:51] spies8margot: activity was the tiebreaker
[16:51] spies8margot: she did get self-voted out of the game after all
[16:51] spies8broderick: You can't justify your vote with her selfvoting.
[16:52] spies8margot: i'm not saying that. i'm just saying that before the results, claude was more active-wise than camilla. so i voted to keep claude around because he was promoting discussion

[Broderick]

[16:53] spies8broderick: does that mean activity = citizen?
[16:55] spies8margot: not necessarily. you could be hugely active and be a spy. camilla was the one that also made a comment that it would be fine to get rid of citizens that weren't contributing. so if claude is a contributor, then he should stay
[16:55] spies8margot: i didn't see camilla as a contributor
[16:55] spies8margot: anymore questions? i need to get going in getting some errands done before the storm comes in
[16:56] spies8gertrude: I'm back!
[16:56] spies8gertrude: Hey there, Margot!
[16:56] spies8margot: hey gertrude
[16:57] spies8gertrude: I'mma be rereading.
[16:57] spies8margot: you just caught me as i was about to head out for the storm
[16:57] spies8broderick: If I think of any, I'll send em to ya in a PM or post em in a thread or something
[16:57] spies8gertrude: Oh, alrighty.
[16:57] spies8broderick: hi Gertie
[16:57] spies8gertrude: Hey Brod!
[16:57] spies8margot: okay, sure
[16:57] spies8margot: later then
[16:57] spies8margot: has left the chat
[16:58] spies8gertrude: What does she mean by heading out for the storm?
[16:58] spies8broderick: Heading out to get errands done before the storm arrives I assume
[16:58] spies8gertrude: Oh!
[16:58] spies8gertrude: Got it.
[16:58] spies8gertrude: Ok, going back to reread.
[16:58] spies8broderick: There seems to always be a storm on the horizon where shelives
[16:58] spies8broderick: K
[17:00] spies8broderick: Is any one else coherant in here?
[17:00] spies8claude: ?
[17:00] spies8broderick: Does that mean present
[17:01] spies8broderick: Present replaces coherant
[17:01] spies8gertrude: Wow.
[17:01] spies8gertrude: Her responses are amazing.
[17:02] spies8claude: Hmm, what did I miss?
[17:02] spies8broderick: They make me further confused
[17:03] spies8gertrude: She basically said that she suspects me for having the same vote reasoning as her.
[17:03] spies8claude: Oh, Margot was here.
[17:04] spies8gertrude: However, I didn't have the same vote reasoning. I just didn't have time at the hotel to type everything out.
[17:04] spies8broderick: I dont get how her suspect Claude led her to Camilla.
[17:05] spies8broderick: Not led in the normal sense. But made apparent.
[17:09] spies8claude: Do you remember what I was talking about earlier, Gertrude?
[17:09] spies8claude: When you were curious as to why your vote of Camilla was suspect, you included Margot in that.
[17:10] spies8gertrude: Yes.
[17:10] spies8claude: Margot, on the other hand, is suspicious of you for your vote on Camilla..even though hers was worse.
[17:10] spies8gertrude: Yes, again.
[17:11] spies8claude: I use the word 'suspicious' there loosely.
[17:11] spies8claude: Because really it just reads like a deflection.
[17:11] spies8broderick: I imagined a bus when I read her post about it.

[Broderick]

17:11] spies8broderick: I imagined a bus when I read her post about it.
[17:19] spies8claude: Well, a bus would make them both scum.
[17:19] spies8claude: And I don't really see Gertrude as scum right now.
[17:19] spies8claude: But at least you see that it's a scummy tactic on Margot's part.
[17:19] spies8claude: The mixed chat/forum aspect of this kind of annoys me.
[17:20] spies8claude: I'm making these accusations against Margot in here.
[17:20] spies8claude: and I'm just going to have to repost them all to the forums.
[17:21] spies8broderick: Not necessarily. I took her post as to put Gertie infront of her. They were both accused of the same thing basically, and Margot seemed to try and get Gertie in front of her.
[17:23] spies8broderick: Jasmine I find suspicious, from her overreaction to my FoS'.
[17:24] spies8broderick: Apparently need to find a time to be on at the same time.
[17:24] spies8broderick: Or be into males
[17:24] spies8broderick: Or just dicks.
[17:31] spies8broderick: Why did you out your role Claude?
[17:34] spies8claude: Isn't that question posted somewhere on the forums..blah.
[17:34] spies8claude: After I saw that Chance couldn't be Exiled today, I kind of gave up on staying alive.
[17:35] spies8claude: And figured I'd at least share my role info with everyone els.e
[17:35] spies8broderick: I dunno if it is. I saw Jasmine make a guess at why you revealed. You're here, so..
[17:35] spies8claude: Not sure what that has to do with anything.
[17:36] spies8claude: I freely admitted that the role could be either alignment.
[17:36] spies8broderick: Not sure about what?
[17:36] spies8broderick: her post?
[17:38] spies8broderick: Heh. Hispieschatcamera
[17:38] spies8claude: I took the 'Youre here, so...'
[17:38] spies8claude: To mean that I revealed it in hopes of not getting Exiled.
[17:38] spies8gertrude: Don't speak to it. It's fueled by attention.
[17:39] spies8broderick: Oh. heh. I meant that by 'you're here, so why go searching through the boards to see if you posted it or not'
[17:39] spies8gertrude: I thought it just meant, "You're here, so I might as well ask you directly."
[17:39] spies8claude: Oh, heh.
[17:39] spies8gertrude: Oh, heh.
[17:39] spies8gertrude: Peer pressure.
[17:39] spies8broderick: lol
[17:40] spies8broderick: shouldnt you be above peer pressure Gertie?
[17:40] spies8gertrude: Shouldn't you be respectful and not judgemental?
[17:40] spies8gertrude:
[17:41] spies8broderick: I'm not judging
[17:42] spies8broderick: I wouldn't say it was disresepectful either lol
[17:42] spies8gertrude: Hop off, Broderick. Hop off! We can't practice EVERYTHING we teach.
[17:42] spies8gertrude: Educators are human too!
[17:42] spies8gertrude: *sobs*
[17:43] spies8broderick: lol. no way. my teachers never had lives.
[17:43] spies8broderick: Are those real tears?
[17:44] spies8gertrude: Aren't all tears real?
[17:44] spies8claude: Some are forced.
[17:44] spies8broderick: you could of been faking it. I didnt want to comfort you if you were faking.
[17:44] spies8gertrude: Oh, I was definitely joking.
[17:44] spies8gertrude: But, even forced tears are real.
[17:45] spies8broderick: What if you dont have tearducts?
[17:45] spies8gertrude: Then you're defected and should be euthanized.
[17:45] spies8gertrude: *nods*
[17:46] spies8broderick: lol
[17:47] spies8broderick: Harseh
[17:47] spies8gertrude: Harsh*
[17:47] spies8broderick: harsh
[17:47] spies8broderick: lol thanks
[17:58] spies8broderick: Why do you and Chance seem to despise one another Claude?
[18:00] spies8claude: idkmybffjill
[18:00] spies8gertrude: Well, Broderick, it's because we have a lot of sexual tension between the two of us.
[18:00] spies8claude: Wait, that's not the right response.
[18:01] spies8gertrude: Use mine.
[18:01] spies8claude: No, that's also not the right response.
[18:01] spies8broderick: lol
[18:01] spies8claude: I think that Chance realizes that I know enough about this game to keep him from getting away with tactics that he usually uses.
[18:01] spies8claude: I just dislike his apparent personality.
[18:02] spies8broderick: So sworn enemies from the beginning and 'til the end, regardless of alignment?
[18:02] spies8broderick: Did you use your role on your scumpal Chance to save the both of you?
[18:03] spies8claude: Pft.
[18:03] spies8claude: I dislike his personality
[18:03] spies8gertrude: Wow, that would be hilarious.
[18:03] spies8broderick: Is that a fart?
[18:03] spies8broderick: lol
[18:03] spies8claude: I would want him to die regardless of alignment
[18:03] spies8claude: Not live.
[18:04] spies8claude: You could argue that we're just bussing each other, except that I didn't realize how much I don't like him until awhile into Day 1.
[18:04] spies8broderick: That isnt very productive if you both are citizens.
[18:04] spies8broderick: Why do scumpalshave to like each other?
[18:04] spies8broderick: *scumpals have
[18:05] spies8claude: I suspect that things will work out as follows:
[18:05] spies8claude: Either A)I will get lynched, and when I am revealed as a citizen, it will be enough to galvanize people against chance.
[18:06] spies8claude: Or Chance will get lynched, and the Spies will raelize that this means I will never get lynched, and wil simply kill me.
[18:06] spies8broderick: Are you talking about this episode or in general?
[18:06] spies8gertrude: Chance can't be lynched.
[18:07] spies8claude: In general
[18:07] spies8claude: I know he can't be lynched this episode.
[18:07] spies8claude: But he's not just going to go away.
[18:08] spies8broderick: So you are using your emotions instead of logic when it comes to Chance?
[18:09] spies8claude: Not really.
[18:09] spies8claude: I've had a couple of emotional moments regarding him
[18:09] spies8claude: But in general, my suspicion of him is not based on disliking him.
[18:10] spies8broderick: You hate him and you want him to die regardless of alignment. How isnt that emotions ruling over logic?
[18:10] spies8claude: Honestly, I have those feelings about a few mafia players.
[18:10] spies8claude: I can still recognize the difference.
[18:11] spies8claude: If I genuinely thought he was town, I would just suffer his miserable existence.
[18:11] spies8lawrence: But you'd stil want him to die?
[18:11] spies8claude: That's a loaded question.
[18:12] spies8lawrence: He says, finally catching up
[18:12] spies8claude: I'd probably just want him to get replaced or something.
[18:12] spies8broderick: So why add the 'regardless of alignment' bit?
[18:13] spies8cinnamyn: has joined the chat
[18:13] spies8claude: I guess I wouldn't be terribly disappointed if he got NKed.
[18:14] spies8cinnamyn: wutz up yall
[18:14] spies8lawrence: As long as your being honest with youself
[18:14] spies8lawrence: Hello, Cinn
[18:14] spies8claude: This is probably one of those moments that I'm going to look back at later and wonder if I was a little too loose/honest with everyone.
[18:15] spies8broderick: hi Cinnamyn
[18:15] spies8cinnamyn: haz margot shown up 2day.?
[18:15] spies8claude: Indeed.
[18:15] spies8broderick: She was here a bit ago.
[18:16] spies8cinnamyn: wuz she any betta den normal.? lmbo
[18:16] spies8lawrence: Shes beating a storm or something like that.
[18:16] spies8lawrence: Was more of the same, I think.
[18:16] spies8broderick: Confusing
[18:18] spieschatcamera: *whirrrr* *shut down*
[18:18] spieschatcamera: has left the chat
[18:20] spies8claude: Obnoxious
[18:21] spies8lawrence: whats that?
[18:22] spies8broderick: lol
[18:22] spies8broderick: A viewer
[18:22] spies8claude: spieschatcamera
[18:22] spies8lawrence: Ah, you fibf the viewer obnoxious?
[18:22] spies8lawrence: find
[18:24] spies8claude: Yeah
[18:24] spies8claude: Just an unnecessary distraction.
[18:25] spies8claude: They can read the chat transcripts the day afterwards anyway.
[18:25] spies8broderick: Only if we post them.
[18:25] spies8cinnamyn: did chance sey dat he wuz contacted dat he cud not vote.?
[18:25] spies8cinnamyn: i thot i remember him sayin' dat
[18:25] spies8claude: Yeah, he did.
[18:26] spies8cinnamyn: ok thank u
[18:27] spies8claude: Why is that important?
[18:27] spies8cinnamyn: i wuz jus' thinkin' if we had confirmed it
[18:27] spies8gertrude: Ack, I'm back. Sorry, everyone.
[18:27] spies8gertrude: Hey there, Cinnamyn!
[18:27] spies8cinnamyn: ayyyyyyye gertie
[18:28] spies8lawrence: Ah, leaderboard update!
[18:29] spies8cinnamyn: y it b so small.?!?
[18:30] spies8gertrude: I will be back soon! It's dinner time.
[18:35] spies8cory: has joined the chat
[18:35] spies8cinnamyn: i guezz i will vote 4 margot again dis round
[18:36] spies8claude: Me too!
[18:36] spies8cinnamyn: lmbo
[18:36] spies8cinnamyn: nobodie haz been more suspishis 2 me
[18:36] spies8cinnamyn: n' da fact dat she haznt defended herself n' tried 2 deflect it on 2 gertie
[18:36] spies8cinnamyn: only compoundz it
[18:37] spies8lawrence: I'm still considering. I don't think I like the reasonings nehind some of these votes.
[18:37] spies8cinnamyn: da onez frum last round.?
[18:38] spies8lawrence: No...I think the votes for Margot/Gertrutde for their last votes are shaky at best.
[18:38] spies8cory: They are. Both of them
[18:38] spies8lawrence: Sure, its possible, but it seems a mite too obvious to me, and therefore unlikely
[18:39] spies8claude: They're both suspicious, but Gertrude at least expressed some suspicion before the aboslute end of the day, the way I remember it.
[18:39] spies8cinnamyn: den hoo else.? aint nobodie bringin' up any1 else
[18:39] spies8lawrence: Therein lies my problem
[18:39] spies8claude: Margot literally said nothing for the time before the exile(and the same pattern seems to be happening now), and came along and was just like 'yeah I agree with whatever these other guys said, vote'
[18:39] spies8claude: That is somewhat of a paraphrase...but barely.
[18:41] spies8cinnamyn: awohali seemz a lil' quiet but haz dun enuf 4 me n' haznt luked real shady
[18:41] spies8cinnamyn: id put isaac in wit' him 2
[18:41] spies8cinnamyn: broderick, cory, gertie mary i aint gonna vote 4
[18:41] spies8broderick: She claims she heard about Camilla from you claude
[18:42] spies8cinnamyn: so im left wit' jasmine lawrence lilith magalie margot
[18:42] spies8broderick: Do you deny discussing Camilla with margot?
[18:43] spies8broderick: I don't like how people arent looking at everybody in the group.
[18:43] spies8cory: spies8margot: right, well yesterday i was leaning towards claude
[18:43] spies8lawrence: I will say that reading the logs, Magalie rubbed me the wrong way...but since I jumped on Claude for pushing a case based on roleplay style, I'm not about to do the same. Jas seems a little fence jumpy, if you pardon the expression. Lil was hard to read--over exuberance on her first day back gave me troubles.
[18:43] spies8cory: spies8margot: but i've been trying to read everything and digest all the other options
[18:43] spies8cory: spies8margot: like camilla being one or chance
[18:43] spies8broderick: A few names get mentioned and that is the only place some people are looking
[18:43] spies8cory: spies8margot: i feel that camilla is more likely a spy than claude, and i just voted in the vote tally thread
[18:43] spies8cory: That was all she said to me about it all
[18:43] spies8cory: That was about one or two hours before exile
[18:44] spies8lawrence: Pretty much everyone else (not those 4, I mean), I'm at least ok with at the moment.
[18:44] spies8broderick: I was asking Margot questions about it not too long ago
[18:45] spies8broderick: 16:44] spies8margot: and yeah, i see that voting for camilla even though claude was on my suspect list was a little strange. i did it because i was chatting with
[16:44] spies8margot: for right now, yeah. i'll reread the post saying that
[16:45] spies8broderick: huh?
[16:46] spies8margot: i was chatting with claude in a chatroom i think, and he told me about how camilla reacted with him, and even though i might not have liked him, i agreed with him

[18:45] spies8broderick: 16:49] spies8margot: the vote was going cory, camilla, claude. i never got the chance to talk with camilla
[16:49] spies8margot: so maybe my vote came from an "activity" standpoint in making my choice between claude and camilla

[18:46] spies8broderick: Why cant people be honest when they vote
[18:46] spies8broderick: obviously the spies wont.
[18:46] spies8cinnamyn: ok den do we want 2 go thru every1 not talked bout much rite now.? i wud lyke 2
[18:47] spies8jasmine: has joined the chat
[18:47] spies8jasmine: Hello mortals.
[18:47] spies8cinnamyn: ayyyyyyyyyye jasmine
[18:47] spies8cory: Jasman!
[18:47] spies8jasmine: Cory? Really?
[18:47] spies8cory: Lol.
[18:47] spies8jasmine: F U
[18:47] spies8jasmine: How is every1
[18:47] spies8cory: Love you too baby
[18:48] spies8cory: Cinnamyn: Yes
[18:48] spies8cory: That would actually be a good idea
[18:49] spies8cinnamyn: dis iz wut i feel lyke our problem iz
[18:49] spies8cinnamyn: nobodie ever speeks up

[Broderick]

[18:45] spies8broderick: 16:44] spies8margot: and yeah, i see that voting for camilla even though claude was on my suspect list was a little strange. i did it because i was chatting with
[16:44] spies8margot: for right now, yeah. i'll reread the post saying that
[16:45] spies8broderick: huh?
[16:46] spies8margot: i was chatting with claude in a chatroom i think, and he told me about how camilla reacted with him, and even though i might not have liked him, i agreed with him

[18:45] spies8broderick: 16:49] spies8margot: the vote was going cory, camilla, claude. i never got the chance to talk with camilla
[16:49] spies8margot: so maybe my vote came from an "activity" standpoint in making my choice between claude and camilla

[18:46] spies8broderick: Why cant people be honest when they vote
[18:46] spies8broderick: obviously the spies wont.
[18:46] spies8cinnamyn: ok den do we want 2 go thru every1 not talked bout much rite now.? i wud lyke 2
[18:47] spies8jasmine: has joined the chat
[18:47] spies8jasmine: Hello mortals.
[18:47] spies8cinnamyn: ayyyyyyyyyye jasmine
[18:47] spies8cory: Jasman!
[18:47] spies8jasmine: Cory? Really?
[18:47] spies8cory: Lol.
[18:47] spies8jasmine: F U
[18:47] spies8jasmine: How is every1
[18:47] spies8cory: Love you too baby
[18:48] spies8cory: Cinnamyn: Yes
[18:48] spies8cory: That would actually be a good idea
[18:49] spies8cinnamyn: dis iz wut i feel lyke our problem iz
[18:49] spies8cinnamyn: nobodie ever speeks up
[18:49] spies8cory: Ok
[18:49] spies8cory: First subject
[18:49] spies8cory: Me
[18:49] spies8cory: Take some shots
[18:49] spies8lawrence: Agreed. Who would you like to start with?
[18:49] spies8cory: I voted Camilla
[18:49] spies8cory: Why is nobody bothered by this?
[18:49] spies8lawrence: Weren't you the focus for a whole day?
[18:49] spies8cory: For the first half of the first day, I'd say
[18:49] spies8jasmine: I am bothered by it, I said earlier you/gertrude/margot should be the three suspects at this point
[18:50] spies8jasmine: espically if we cant vote the obvious spy, chance
[18:50] spies8claude: Your reasoning was legit.
[18:50] spies8jasmine: then why was i then yelled at for it?
[18:50] spies8cory: For what?
[18:50] spies8claude: It makes me so happy to see someone else call Chance 'the obvious spy'
[18:50] spies8jasmine: all that, chance and the three being suspect--i was told it all dumb
[18:50] spies8jasmine: basically
[18:50] spies8claude: Yelled at for..what now?
[18:51] spies8jasmine: thats the vibe i got anyways.
[18:51] spies8cory: Jasmine, I don't recall you making that comment.
[18:51] spies8claude: Speaking from the perspective of knowing that I am not a Spy, I can't see how Jasmine can be a Spy.
[18:51] spies8cory: Was it in the chat or on the board?
[18:51] spies8jasmine: Chat, earlier today. dunno if u were in here.
[18:51] spies8cory: Probably wasn't.
[18:51] spies8cory: Ok. So why those three, and why not Claude?
[18:51] spies8jasmine: I see Claude's roll as more a cit thing.
[18:51] spies8cory: The role claim?
[18:51] spies8cory: Ok.
[18:51] spies8jasmine: i dont see how someone can come up with that legit of a thing
[18:52] spies8jasmine: after like 5 min of finding out about hte chance thing
[18:52] spies8cory: Well it's almost certainly not a fake claim
[18:52] spies8jasmine: he would have had to come up with "majority Whip" mad fast if it was all fake.
[18:52] spies8cory: Not unless he and Chance are pulling off the best gambit ever. Lol.
[18:52] spies8jasmine: Which I doubt, it's Chance after all.
[18:52] spies8cory: Yeah.
[18:52] spies8cinnamyn: cory, u sed u voted 4 her 4 her interacshinz. did u feel lyke she had more fencesittin' commentz den sey..awohali.?
[18:52] spies8jasmine: I think also, it has to be a cit role. why would a spy have the power to not only imprison at night
[18:52] spies8jasmine: but then handicpa during the day?
[18:52] spies8jasmine: its too much
[18:53] spies8cinnamyn: bcuz i wuz in dat chat n' i didnt feel she wuz fencesittin', i thot it wuz pritty clear she wuz against claude lmbo
[18:53] spies8cory: I mainly voted Camilla because she was using reasons to sit on the fence about me that she shouldn't have been taking as fact.
[18:53] spies8cory: She and I never once spoke.
[18:53] spies8cinnamyn: oooook
[18:53] spies8cory: Yet she was making all these comments like she knew they were true.
[18:53] spies8cory: As for Awohali
[18:53] spies8cory: I felt like he took more firm stances towards the end of the day
[18:53] spies8cory: Particularly with Chance
[18:53] spies8lawrence: Speak of the devil.
[18:54] spies8claude: I'm of the opinion that Awohlia is town.
[18:54] Spies8Awohali: has joined the chat
[18:54] spies8cory: I'm leaning that way myself.
[18:54] spies8cinnamyn: ayyyyyyye awohali
[18:54] spies8claude: He c ouldn't log on for acouple of days or w/e, but when he could, he was very solid.
[18:54] spies8cinnamyn: i still don' now bout awohali 2 b hones', i feel lyke a lot of tymes he sez a lot but itz not much of substance
[18:54] spies8claude: I suppose I'm somewhat biased, because I seem to think that every person that voted Chance yesterday is town(Mary is the only one I'm not really sureo n)
[18:54] spies8cinnamyn: sory 2 talk bout u rite az u cum in lmbo
[18:54] Spies8Awohali: That is quite alright, Cinnamyn.
[18:55] spies8cory: Cinnamyn, that's how I felt as well, actually
[18:55] spies8cory: But when it came down to the Chance VS Claude thing I think he was doing his part
[18:55] Spies8Awohali: I am interested to hear what you believe I have said that is not substantial.
[18:55] spies8jasmine: I think the thing with mary is, that her character makes her automatically hard to trust.
[18:55] spies8jasmine: but i think she is town at the moment
[18:55] spies8claude: It's not that
[18:55] spies8claude: All of this roleplaying is just..w/e
[18:56] spies8claude: Sometimes I feel like she is just a little too curious.
[18:56] spies8jasmine: I take that as her character, but dunno. and its good to be curious, imo.
[18:56] spies8jasmine: I dont think she has done anything suspcious thus far.
[18:56] spies8cinnamyn: ok i found it awohali, furst wuz in da vote thred
[18:57] spies8cinnamyn: wen u went on about votin' 4 a persun dat u found most suspishis, but den sed "i dont no if ppl will have an issue wit' dis"
[18:57] spies8cinnamyn: n' i dont c how anybody cud bcuz ur stance wuz pritty soft
[18:57] Spies8Awohali: I agree. Jasmine. Mary was one of the ahrdest people for me to find something to ask about in the last thread that I made.
[18:57] Spies8Awohali: I believe my stance was that if a good suspect did not emerge, I would vote for the person I deemed as the most hrmful person on our team, yes?
[18:58] spies8cinnamyn: yea.
[18:58] spies8cinnamyn: but it seemed lyke a big post 2 say "im lukin' 4 spiez trust me"
[18:58] spies8claude: I think that Cinnamyn's sentiment is understandable.
[18:58] spies8claude: She doesn't have the advantage of having spent considerable time in chat w/ Ahowlia
[18:59] Spies8Awohali: That is a fair point. If I do not then follow up that with looking for Spies, then you would have reason to dislike it. But I do try my best to follow it up with action.
[18:59] spies8claude: I do, and I never had an inkling of miscomfort toward anything he said while in chat.
[18:59] Spies8Awohali: I will try to do more with the forums to express myself better; I am more used to a chat-based setting.
[18:59] spies8cinnamyn: i also thot ur queschin thred wuz kind of weird. itz not suspishis but i felt lyke da queshinz were jus'..meh
[18:59] spies8cinnamyn: but da fact dat u did do dem iz gud
[19:00] Spies8Awohali: I was not proud of all of them either. I am hoping that as the game goes along, I will be able to ask more in depth questions. Some people I have still not talked to extensively.
[19:00] spies8jasmine: Me for example.
[19:00] spies8cinnamyn: did u end up votin' based on sum1 suspishis or sum1 harmful
[19:00] spies8cinnamyn: sory if u answered dat already
[19:00] Spies8Awohali: This is true, Jamine, and most unfotunate! We must change that.
[19:01] spies8broderick: I am heading home now. Should be back in here in about an hour or so. hi Awhohali
[19:01] Spies8Awohali: Chance wound up being both, after the chat we had both in private IM's and in the public chat room. I had narrowed it down to Chance and Claude based on harmfulness.
[19:01] Spies8Awohali: Hi and bye, Broderick, see you soon!
[19:01] spies8cory: Bye Brod
[19:02] spies8gertrude: Hey, everyone.
[19:02] spies8gertrude: I'm back.
[19:02] spies8claude: Welcome back.
[19:02] spies8cory: Hi English Teach
[19:02] spies8cinnamyn: okay awohali 1 more
[19:02] spies8cinnamyn: ackshully 2
[19:03] spies8cinnamyn: 1 r u still plannin' on votin wit dat plan dis exile.?

[Broderick]

CHANCE

Jeebus fucking hellhole. Shoot me with a plastic spoon.


spies8broderick (20:21:30): Why does it go back to guessing what Sam would do?
spies8chance is available (20:21:33)
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spies8chance (20:21:50): i just answered that. sorry, i was trying to explain to jas.
spies8chance is available (20:21:56)
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spies8broderick (20:22:21): Wouldn't do what because what doesn't make sense?
spies8chance is available (20:22:21)
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spies8chance (20:22:42): wouldn't make claude's role a spy role because "it seems like it would be too powerful to be a spy role".
spies8broderick (20:23:27): Wouldn't we all be guilty of guessing what Sam would do, when assuming the Doctor is a cit role?
spies8chance is available (20:23:34)
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spies8chance (20:23:47): no, because sam has specifically said that the doctor is a citizen.
spies8broderick (20:23:58): Where did he say that?
spies8chance (20:24:22): The 7 Spies are not allowed to select themselves for Imprisonment.

Additionally, the doctor is a citizen.
spies8chance (20:24:27): in the 'about the doctor' thread.
spies8broderick (20:25:5): Oh
spies8chance (20:25:40): heh.
spies8chance is available (20:39:36)
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spies8broderick (20:41:20): What if Claude messes with votes of suspected spies?
spies8chance (20:42:1): the two things he can do are prevent one person from voting two specific people, and force one person to choose from three specific people for their vote.
spies8chance (20:42:10): or, obviously, take it away completely.
spies8chance (20:42:51): so what if he does? i don't see either power really hurting the spies, even if he does use it on one.
spies8broderick (20:43:56): Did you know there aren't bolded parts in your quoted chat transcripts?
spies8chance (20:44:30): yeah, i mentioned it in the group chat actually. apparently trying to bold inside a quote just changes the font inside the quote a little bit.
spies8broderick (20:45:15): I dont think I was here so lol
spies8broderick (20:45:49): Why does it matter whether or not someone brought up suspicions publically of someone not on their team?
spies8broderick (20:47:14): We weren't bickering in that chat. We have had this discussion.
spies8broderick (20:47:21): You may of been bickering, I was not.
spies8chance (20:47:23): if you're going to ask that, then let me answer with a question - why talk about someone on the other team in the first place?
spies8broderick (20:47:53): You opened that door already. We are all free to discuss it as we please now.
spies8chance is available (20:47:54)
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spies8broderick (20:48:22): If you use it as a point against another person, then why ask that question?
spies8chance (20:48:35): another question. you've made it pretty clear that you think i'm a spy and i'm not going to change your mind, so is there really any point to this conversation?
spies8chance (20:48:49): because, really, you're just going to keep asking questions and demeaning my answers.
spies8broderick (20:49:1): How have I made it clear I think you are a spy?
spies8chance is available (20:49:8)
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spies8chance (20:49:17): your vote made it pretty clear.
spies8chance (20:49:23): generally you vote for people you think are spies.
spies8broderick (20:49:54): Yes I did vote for you. Your actions are suspicious.
spies8broderick (20:50:8): So you just want to leave it at that?
spies8broderick (20:50:26): I do not write people off as one alignment or the other by episode two.
spies8chance (20:50:38): pardon me if it seems you already have.
spies8chance (20:50:43): i'll try to finish answering your question, though.
spies8chance (20:50:58): spies8broderick 10:48 pm
You opened that door already. We are all free to discuss it as we please now.
If you use it as a point against another person, then why ask that question?
spies8broderick (20:51:17): That is your largest problem Chance. You put words in the mouths of others and you attribute thoughts or feelings towards them.
spies8chance (20:51:28): alright, you know what?
spies8chance (20:51:52): as it turns out, someone DID say cory was pushy.
spies8chance (20:51:52): spies8claude: (11:06:03 PM)Being pushy against someone you think is a spy does not equate to being a spy
spies8claude: (11:06:17 PM)Being pushy for no reason other than the sake of doing so implies ulterior motives.
spies8chance (20:51:56): and you know what else?
spies8chance (20:52:8): spies8claude (10:57:01 PM): Earlier, you said that you thought Cory was really pushy towards you..can you explain that?
spies8mary (10:57:26 PM): I said he called me Bloody Mary right off the bat.
spies8mary (10:57:40 PM): And I said that after we stopped talking
spies8mary (10:57:50 PM): And Jasmine said I thought he was rude
spies8chance (20:52:27): so would you please drop the 'putting words in the mouths of others' spiel, and 'telling me what my problem is'. it's insulting.
spies8broderick (20:52:40): You just put words into my mouth Chance
spies8broderick (20:52:50): You just attributed things to me which I never said
spies8chance (20:52:55): spies8broderick 10:51 pm
That is your largest problem Chance.
spies8chance (20:52:57): no, i really didn't.
spies8broderick (20:53:7): I have not written you off as a spy. I have not demeaned your answers
spies8chance (20:53:31): pardon me if the tone in which you respond to my answers is demeaning.
spies8broderick (20:53:38): another question. you've made it pretty clear that you think i'm a spy and i'm not going to change your mind, so is there really any point to this conversation?
spies8chance (20:48:49): because, really, you're just going to keep asking questions and demeaning my answers.
spies8chance (20:53:55): and if you didn't think i was a spy you wouldn't have voted me.
spies8broderick (20:53:58): I've never given off the impression that my mind is made up
spies8broderick (20:54:13): I haven't demeaned your answers
spies8chance (20:54:13): you have, actually, though that could be an interpretation issue.
spies8chance (20:54:16): yes, you have.
spies8broderick (20:54:28): Chance, you are acting like a child.
spies8chance (20:54:28): honestly, brod, you come off as a prick sometimes.
spies8chance (20:54:42): like now.
spies8broderick (20:54:59): How do I come off as a prick?
spies8broderick (20:55:14): Because I tell you not to put words in my mouth? Or attribute false things to me?
spies8chance (20:55:19): if you would like me to quote everything in this chat that comes off as prickish, i will.
spies8chance (20:55:26): and again, i didn't put words in your mouth.
spies8chance (20:55:34): and i have not attributed false things to you.
spies8broderick (20:55:41): another question. you've made it pretty clear that you think i'm a spy and i'm not going to change your mind, so is there really any point to this conversation?
spies8chance (20:48:49): because, really, you're just going to keep asking questions and demeaning my answers.
spies8chance (20:55:43): if you're going to keep insisting that i did then there's really no need for this conversation to continue.
spies8chance (20:55:59): for the third time. you voted me. you obviously think i'm a spy if you voted me.
spies8chance (20:56:12): AND YOUR ATTITUDE COMES OFF AS DEMEANING WHETHER YOU THINK IT DOES OR NOT.
spies8chance (20:56:16): the end.
spies8broderick (20:56:28): where have I even implied that my mind does not change?
spies8broderick (20:56:40): I haven't demeaned at all
spies8chance (20:56:56): the tone in which you respond to my answers never changes and you seem to be asking questions to me in a way that says you're trying to make me slip up so you can pounce on it.
spies8chance (20:57:10): and i'm not going to continue to argue the defnition of 'demeaning' with you.
spies8broderick (20:57:40): I am asking questions Chance. I have not done so in any specific tone or manner, other than to ask questions
spies8chance (20:58:1): then your general attitude just sucks, sorry.
spies8broderick (20:58:13): Okay Chance. Continue to be a child.
spies8chance (20:58:20): continue to be a prick.
spies8broderick (20:58:27): I haven't been a prick at all.
spies8chance (20:58:47): and i haven't been a child at all. guess we'll just have to disagree with each other, huh?
spies8broderick (20:59:2): Actually you have.
spies8chance (20:59:19): because it's totally not childish at all to have to have the last word at any given time, but whatever.
spies8broderick (21:00:0): You assumed that I had made up my mind about you and then went on to say the conversation was going to over if that was true. No?
spies8chance (21:01:16): you have given me no reason to believe your assumption that i am a spy is ever going to change with your tone and attitude.
spies8chance (21:01:45): and i don't particularly feel like sitting here and dealing with someone who keeps putting me down if there's no chance i'm going to convince them that they're wrong.
spies8broderick (21:01:49): You assume things Chance. You jump to conclusions. If I had made up my mind, why would I be asking you questions?
spies8broderick (21:02:13): I have not put you down
spies8chance (21:02:20): you. just. did.
spies8chance (21:02:34): your attitude is basically this, brod.
spies8chance (21:02:44): every time you say something, there's an invisible '...idiot.' on the end.
spies8chance (21:02:51): that is how you come off.
spies8broderick (21:03:0): I said that you assume things - which you do. you jump to conclusions - which you do.
spies8broderick (21:03:6): You put that idiot there Chance.
spies8chance (21:03:13): '...idiot.'
spies8broderick (21:03:23): I have never implied any thing of the sort
spies8chance (21:03:33): and given that you voted me, i don't think assuming that you think i am a spy is a long jump.
spies8chance (21:03:48): to the conclusion that you think i'm a spy.
spies8chance is available (21:04:2)
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spies8broderick (21:04:33): You assumed I made up my mind, that I was demeaning you, that I was putting you down, that I put an invisible '...idiot' at the end of everything I say
spies8chance is available (21:04:57)
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spies8chance (21:05:28): are you always so literal?
spies8chance is available (21:07:29)
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spies8broderick (21:07:34): I favor the truth as opposed to falsehoods. Especially those via assumptions and interpretations

[Broderick]

GERTIE's HEAD: Wednesday, June 23 - 1042pm posted at time.


spies8broderick (22:09:41): The reason that you hadn't said your Camilla suspicion more publicly, was because of holding cards close to the chest? If I remember the right wording?
spies8gertrude (22:09:55): Essentially, yes.
spies8gertrude (22:10:17): Coming from a background of Survivor, I'm not used to laying the proverbial cards out on the table.
spies8gertrude (22:10:46): However, since then I have tried improving that habit of hiding my suspicions and thoughts.
spies8gertrude (22:10:58): And hopefully, I'm doing decently at it.
spies8broderick (22:11:21): ha. You just answered the question I was about to ask.
spies8gertrude (22:11:34): Which was?
spies8broderick (22:11:47): I was going to ask if you planned on being more open with your suspicions
spies8gertrude (22:11:56): Oh, yes.
spies8gertrude (22:12:4): Would you like to hear mine?
spies8broderick (22:12:11): Yes please
spies8gertrude (22:12:21): Fair enough.
spies8gertrude (22:12:38): First off, I am not sold on the idea that Chance is a Spy.
spies8gertrude (22:13:0): I know that seems to be most people's opinions, but let me make it very clear that I disagree.
spies8gertrude (22:13:30): I don't necessarily think he's town, either, though. I just think the spotlight being put on him is undeserved.
spies8gertrude (22:13:52): Next, I suspect Margot, which shouldn't be surprising.
spies8cory (22:14:10): What reasons that were brought forth about Chance do you think are undeserved?
spies8gertrude (22:14:20): Her response to being questioned about her vote reasoning was essentially a giant deflection onto me.
spies8broderick (22:14:35): Why does it seem most people are sold on him being a spy?
spies8gertrude (22:14:53): Well, everyone seems to think that because Chance was made Immune, the Spies are trying to protect him from Exile.
spies8gertrude (22:15:14): And because whenever asked, people have listed Chance as one of their prime suspects.
spies8gertrude (22:15:39): Jasmine and Claude, specifically, are convinced that he is 100% Spy.
spies8gertrude (22:16:18): Margot also mentioned his name, and Lilith spent hours talking about Chance and his situation last night.
spies8cory (22:16:41): Do you lean Citizen or Spy on Chance?
spies8gertrude (22:17:41): I'm going to have to say Citizen if you're going to make me pick. The sheer amount of people who suspect him makes me suspect him less.
spies8cory (22:18:5): What is your take on Claude, ignoring his role claim?
spies8cinnamyn (22:18:24): doez da sheer amount of ppl suspectin' margot worry u gert.?
spies8gertrude (22:18:31): I think Claude is passionate - more than he'd like to admit
spies8broderick (22:19:4): I agree with that. He tries to deny emotions in the game.
spies8gertrude (22:19:32): No, Cinnamyn, it doesn't. Because people suspect Margot more for what she's said (or hasn't), done (or hasn't), while it seems people suspect Chance because someone used a role on him.
spies8cinnamyn (22:20:0): o ok, cuz i dont think dat at all about chance
spies8cinnamyn (22:20:12): i still think it b 50/50 cit spy
spies8gertrude (22:20:30): Getting back to Claude, I think his passion may cause him to be a little reckless
spies8gertrude (22:20:51): A little too sure of his suspects, a little too quick to claim.
spies8gertrude (22:21:12): I currently think that both Claude and Chance are Citizens.
spies8gertrude (22:21:15): Gasp.
spies8cory (22:21:41): Lol, that's actually my take as well
spies8cory (22:21:47): Though less certain about Chance
spies8cory (22:21:53): My working theory is that the Spies are among the quieter players
spies8gertrude (22:22:7): I would definitely agree.
spies8gertrude (22:22:24): Getting back to the original question - my suspects -
spies8gertrude (22:22:50): I'd say Margot, followed by Isaac.
spies8broderick (22:23:24): Any other reason for Margot besides the apparent deflection to you?
spies8cinnamyn (22:23:33): i think isaac b anotha case of "im here sayin stuff but not actually sayin stuff"
spies8gertrude (22:23:37): Oh, sure.
spies8gertrude (22:23:43): Exactly, Cinnamyn.
spies8gertrude (22:23:57): And sometimes it's "I'm here not saying stuff, but I'm here!"
spies8gertrude (22:24:47): @ Broderick: Her lack of independent thought when reporting her suspects lead me to believe that she either simply find a majority or that someone is telling her who to suspect.
spies8broderick (22:25:18): I recall from the first episode, there were quite a few 'I'm here reading the chat's or 'I'm here catching up'. But would rarely say anything, or contribute into the active discussion. Other than a few comments.
spies8broderick (22:25:45): Could it be possible that she is lost and has no idea what to do?
spies8gertrude (22:25:59): Of course it's possible.
spies8gertrude (22:26:14): I'm not tunneling on her. She could be a Citizen in theory.
spies8broderick (22:26:23): Everyone could
spies8gertrude (22:26:26): I just don't believe she is at the moment.
spies8gertrude (22:26:33): I realize that..
spies8gertrude (22:26:48): That was actually, really my point.
spies8broderick (22:26:51): I know, I think you even said it before.
spies8cory (22:27:0): The main thing I'm worried about with Margot is I kind of feel like she's a noob.
spies8cory (22:27:3): Which makes her harder to read.
spies8gertrude (22:28:13): I can see that.
spies8broderick (22:28:22): I think it is possible. Finding the truth would be rather difficult. People like, regardless of their alignment.
spies8broderick (22:28:36): They lie to hide their identities.
spies8broderick (22:28:43): *lie
spies8gertrude (22:28:51): Well...
spies8gertrude (22:29:6): I'm not sure if I agree with that.
spies8gertrude (22:29:40): Yes, we hide our identities, but nobody really is lying to anyone else. We all KNOW that we're just characters.
spies8gertrude (22:30:1): Is an lie a lie when everyone knows it's not true?
spies8broderick (22:30:2): I'm not really talking about our charactes.
spies8cinnamyn (22:30:2): wut da fukk u talkin' bout, i am a real fabulus diva
spies8broderick (22:30:7): *charactes
spies8broderick (22:30:12): r
spies8cory (22:30:21): I'm not lying
spies8gertrude (22:30:23): Oh. I apologize, then.
spies8cory (22:30:26): I am a real life philosoraptor
spies8gertrude (22:30:26): What do you mean?
spies8broderick (22:31:31): More our experience. With some people it can be apparent they have played some sort of mafia before, or even spies. You can for the most part differentiate from mafia backgrounds to org backgrounds.
spies8broderick (22:31:41): Sometimes it is difficult to tell
spies8broderick (22:32:3): Some people read past games, so they appear to of played before.
spies8broderick (22:32:17): Some people may act like a newbie, but are secretly not
spies8broderick (22:32:24): Some some some some lol
spies8gertrude (22:32:50): Ah.
spies8gertrude (22:33:8): So you're saying Margot could be lying about her being a new Spies player?
spies8cinnamyn (22:33:47): but 2 play devils advocate gertie cud b lyin bout only playin survivor
spies8gertrude (22:34:3): That's true, I could.
spies8broderick (22:34:5): Has she said she was new to Spies?
spies8gertrude (22:34:12): And technically, I've played Big Brother, as well.
spies8gertrude (22:34:32): @ Broderick, I don't know. I assumed so, maybe wrongly.
spies8broderick (22:37:57): I dunno. I think that gauging a person's alignment primarily based on their experience is not always accurate.
spies8broderick (22:38:16): you have to rely on that person being completely honest.
spies8gertrude (22:39:9): I don't think I made that argument...
spies8gertrude (22:39:17): If I did, I apologize. I didn't mean to.

[Broderick]

WEDNESDAY JUNE 23rd.


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spies8mary (20:15:54): And your suspicions of Chance?
spies8mary (20:15:57): Sorry, Claude.
spies8chance (20:16:1): i think you did a good job at starting up discussion, like with your questions thread.
spies8gertrude (20:16:5): Hey there, Broderick!
spies8chance (20:16:10): 'sup brod.
spies8broderick (20:16:12): Hi
Spies8Awohali (20:16:18): Welcome back, Broderick.
spies8lawrence (20:16:39): Still there, to some extent. Is he being framed r was it a save is the question there, but we've got an episode to consider.
spies8mary (20:16:50): Ok.
spies8lawrence (20:16:52): Claude, sorry.
spies8lawrence (20:17:34): Uh...I think his role is more cit, and Chance confirmed the use. So it's in the background, but n hold for now.
spies8broderick (20:18:13): Why more cit?
spies8lawrence (20:18:53): I think, from a pure balance standpoint, that the role as he described would be too strong as a spy role.
spies8chance (20:19:32): people keep saying that and it bothers me. it goes back to trying to guess what sam would do. and i don't think we should be doing that.
spies8jasmine (20:19:55): Why is that a bad thing?
spies8lawrence (20:19:58): I agree that its opnion, but I think its a GOOD ONE.
spies8broderick (20:19:59): Why does it go back to guessing what Sam would do?
spies8jasmine (20:20:6): To assume it's a cit role or a spy role.
spies8lawrence (20:20:6): Gah, caps. sorry.
spies8jasmine (20:20:20): why would a spy role be to mess with our votes during the day, its all we have as citiizens.
spies8chance (20:20:31): jas, i'm saying it's a bad thing to consider it from a balance standpoint.
spies8chance (20:20:37): and that's why i think it's a spy role.
spies8jasmine (20:20:39): plus the political term"majority whip" is to help fellow people or w/e. its not to hinder.
spies8chance (20:20:50): how is this role a help to the cits?
spies8jasmine (20:20:59): if a citizen feels strongly on something
spies8broderick (20:21:4): Why does it go back to guessing what Sam would do?
spies8lawrence (20:21:4): Any other followups, or can I go to sleep now?
spies8jasmine (20:21:6): they can make it so a spy cant vote
spies8chance (20:21:6): anyway, i didn't mean to take the floor from larry.
spies8jasmine (20:21:16): they can limit the people cits can vote
spies8broderick (20:21:16): Oh sorry. Didn't realize
spies8jasmine (20:21:16): etc
spies8chance (20:21:33): brod, it goes back to guessing what sam would do because in essence the argument is "sam wouldn't do that because it doesn't make sense".
spies8lawrence (20:21:45): k. night all.
spies8chance (20:21:56): night larry.
spies8broderick (20:22:2): Good Night Lawrence
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spies8chance (20:22:21): and that should never be a factor. again, look at spies7andreas.
Spies8Awohali (20:22:25): Jasmine, I think an important bit of information to consider is that in the previous game, there was a Gift Giver who was a Spy. In fact, I think it is a good idea to study the roles of previous games, as they might lead us to a better understanding
Spies8Awohali (20:22:45): Which, as far as I can tell, we must understand that we can not understand what side a role is being used for.
spies8jasmine (20:23:3): even if not, someone pointed out--i think cinnamyn
spies8jasmine (20:23:7): its 50/50 if its role is spy or cit
spies8jasmine (20:23:11): why chance it with lynching him
spies8jasmine (20:23:12): we shouldnt
Spies8Awohali (20:23:26): I agree, we should not Chance it, although I may be willing to Margot it.
spies8chance (20:23:34): you're too clever.
spies8jasmine (20:23:40): I agree Awo
spies8jasmine (20:23:41):
Spies8Awohali (20:23:53): It is sad that I find enjoyment in little things such as that, but I do.
Spies8Awohali (20:24:32): I do agree that personally I do not see voting for Claude this episode as a good idea.
spies8broderick (20:25:57): I think the blanket theory is that no one auto-assumes someone is a specific alignment because of what role they may have. I am obviously going to contradict myself in my next statement. There are roles which can be auto assumed to be a specific alignment. Because hands down they would not make sense to be in the hands of the opposing alignment.
spies8broderick (20:26:1): Doctor for example.
Spies8Awohali (20:26:7): I think it would be interesting if we, as a group, made a pact to vote whichever one of Claude/Chance out immediately following the Exile of the other, should it occur.. I would be interested to see how this would shape their quest to destroy one another.
spies8chance (20:26:15): additionally, sam confirmed that the doctor is a citizen.
Spies8Awohali (20:26:22): Right, Doctor is an exception.
spies8broderick (20:26:29): Regardless of a mod confirmation.
spies8chance (20:26:41): but look at what happened last game. it was auto-assumed that the gift giver would be a cit role, and it wasn't, and the spies won.
spies8broderick (20:26:43): A spy Doctor is a pointless use of a role
spies8chance (20:26:50): my point - don't auto-assume.
Spies8Awohali (20:26:51): I think anything not confirmed by Sam, though, could go eithe way. I can not think of any roles other than Doctor that would be lmited to only one side.
spies8broderick (20:28:0): The role holder's actions need to be coupled with their role in making a decision on whether or not you think them spy/cit.
spies8chance (20:28:38): what action could claude make that would help the citizens, besides taking the vote of a spy?
spies8broderick (20:28:39): If you have a role, and you are ousted via yourself or another; it doesn't give you a free pass to laze around.
spies8chance (20:29:10): i'm sorry, i thought you meant role actions.
spies8broderick (20:29:20): I was talking about his more 'mundane' actions.
spies8broderick (20:29:22): spy hunting
spies8broderick (20:29:25): Contributing
spies8chance (20:29:50): well, he was wrong about cam and is wrong about me, so what does that mean for him?
spies8cory (20:30:49): Chance is right about not auto assuming
spies8cory (20:31:8): /random 2 cents
spies8chance (20:31:23): 'sup, philosoraptor.
spies8cory (20:31:31): Not much
spies8broderick (20:31:34): There is no confirmation if he is wrong about you Chance
spies8cinnamyn (20:31:41): how do u link 2 otha posts in a new post.?
spies8chance (20:31:44): i was speaking from my point of view, brod.
spies8cinnamyn (20:31:55): sory lmbo
Spies8Awohali (20:31:59): That is a good question, Cinnamyn.
spies8cinnamyn (20:32:26): i mean i want 2 give da link without it bein da whole url
spies8cinnamyn (20:32:34): can u do dat.?
spies8chance (20:32:57): isn't that hypertext?
spies8chance (20:33:0): or am i wrong?
Spies8Awohali (20:33:1): There is cerainly a way to, as I have seen it done, but I do not know how to do so.
spies8broderick (20:33:22): At the bottom of the post there is a 'link to post' option
spies8broderick (20:33:27): bottom right hand corner
spies8cinnamyn (20:33:51): ok i got dat, now how doez i put it in my new 1.?
spies8broderick (20:34:17): title here that?
spies8cinnamyn (20:34:35): i will try
spies8broderick (20:34:40): Without the spaces
spies8broderick (20:34:43): and the '
spies8broderick (20:34:44): lol
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spies8cinnamyn (20:36:4): awwwww yeaaaaa
spies8cinnamyn (20:36:6): thx bu
spies8cinnamyn (20:36:10): carry on every1 lmbo
spies8chance (20:37:25): hahah.
spies8claude (20:37:47): I'm responding to Chance's forum post now
spies8chance (20:37:55): okay.
spies8broderick (20:38:45): i think you killed the chat Cinnamyn
Spies8Awohali (20:39:0): That is good news.
Spies8Awohali (20:39:7): To Claude, that is.
spies8cinnamyn (20:39:17): sorry.!!! keep talkin bout wutever shitz u wuz talkin bout
spies8gertrude (20:39:28): Did you guys cover Isaac yet?
spies8chance (20:39:36): he just kind of died on us.
spies8jasmine (20:40:5): he does that a lot.
spies8broderick (20:40:18): Were you covering each person?
spies8broderick (20:40:25): Talking to/about them?
spies8cinnamyn (20:40:29): tryin 2
spies8broderick (20:41:39): Who was covered?
spies8cinnamyn (20:42:12): awo, me, cory, mary
spies8cinnamyn (20:42:24): tryin 2 get tha ppl not talked bout much
spies8chance (20:47:54): has the leaderboard shrunk for anyone else?
spies8gertrude (20:48:21): No, I don't think so.
spies8chance (20:49:8): cause it's like, tiny for me.
spies8cinnamyn (20:49:18): itz tiny 4 me 2
Spies8Awohali (20:50:33): It is a normal size for me.
Spies8Awohali (20:55:9): I apologize, but I must be going now. The air condition in my house is down, and I am unable to bear more than a few hours here until it is fixed.
Spies8Awohali (20:55:33): I do not understand how my people survived the days of old without cold air! Farewell, all.
spies8gertrude (20:55:44): Good night, Awohali!
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spies8mary (21:01:51): Did anyone else talk with Margot today?
spies8jasmine (21:02:7): I believe Gertrude did, yes?
spies8gertrude (21:02:25): Unfortunately, I missed the majority of the time she was here
spies8broderick (21:02:30): A little bit
spies8mary (21:03:41): Did she say who she suspects?
spies8gertrude (21:03:48): Me.
spies8gertrude (21:03:57): And Chance..
spies8chance (21:04:2): surprise!
spies8gertrude (21:04:7): And maybe Claude?
spies8gertrude (21:04:13): Let me see if I can find it.
spies8mary (21:04:20): She must not have gotten the memo on Claude.
spies8mary (21:04:31): It's not cool to suspect Claude right now.
spies8chance (21:04:57): i suspect claude. am i uncool?
spies8gertrude (21:05:59): I stand corrected. Margot got the memo.
spies8gertrude (21:06:4): She doesn't suspect Claude.
spies8broderick (21:06:7): pies8jasmine: Margot did u hear all the shit about claude's role tho?
[16:33] spies8broderick: Hi Margot
[16:33] spies8jasmine: I don't see what lynching him then would do.
[16:33] spies8jasmine: Hey Brod, sex?
[16:33] spies8margot: yeah, i did hear
[16:33] spies8jasmine: Then if we lynch him, we could just be doing the spies work for them.
[16:34] spies8jasmine: If he really is the majority whip, shouldnt we let them imprison him?
[16:34] spies8broderick: No thanks
[16:34] spies8margot: probably, yeah
[16:34] spies8margot: so i'll probably vote for gertrude
[16:34] spies8jasmine: and whats your reasoning? her swapping votes to camilla?
[16:35] spies8margot: yes, and since i can't vote for claude because he has the majority whip role
[16:35] spies8jasmine: anyone else you think might be a spy?
[16:35] spies8jasmine: other then gertrude.
[16:35] spies8margot: Chance
[16:36] spies8jasmine: Cause everyone else does?
[16:36] spies8margot: because he was protected and we can't vote for him
[16:36] spies8margot: could be protecting a spy
[16:37] spies8margot: or protecting a top spy suspect to create confusion later on
[16:37] spies8jasmine: gotchaa
[16:37] spies8margot: plus he posted in the tallies thread that if he could vote, he'd vote for claude
[16:37] spies8margot: and if claude does in fact have a role that will benefit the citizens
[16:37] spies8margot: then why help the spies by getting rid of him?
[16:38] spies8margot: even if i was about talking of voting for him, but that's purely emotional
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spies8broderick (21:06:17): fail. message too long
spies8broderick (21:06:26): pies8jasmine: Margot did u hear all the shit about claude's role tho?
[16:33] spies8broderick: Hi Margot
[16:33] spies8jasmine: I don't see what lynching him then would do.
[16:33] spies8jasmine: Hey Brod, sex?
[16:33] spies8margot: yeah, i did hear
[16:33] spies8jasmine: Then if we lynch him, we could just be doing the spies work for them.
[16:34] spies8jasmine: If he really is the majority whip, shouldnt we let them imprison him?
[16:34] spies8broderick: No thanks
[16:34] spies8margot: probably, yeah
spies8broderick (21:06:38): spies8margot: so i'll probably vote for gertrude
[16:34] spies8jasmine: and whats your reasoning? her swapping votes to camilla?
[16:35] spies8margot: yes, and since i can't vote for claude because he has the majority whip role
[16:35] spies8jasmine: anyone else you think might be a spy?
[16:35] spies8jasmine: other then gertrude.
[16:35] spies8margot: Chance
[16:36] spies8jasmine: Cause everyone else does?
[16:36] spies8margot: because he was protected and we can't vote for him
[16:36] spies8margot: could be protecting a spy
[16:37] spies8margot: or protecting a top spy suspect to create confusion later on
[16:37] spies8jasmine: gotchaa
spies8broderick (21:06:48): spies8margot: plus he posted in the tallies thread that if he could vote, he'd vote for claude
[16:37] spies8margot: and if claude does in fact have a role that will benefit the citizens
[16:37] spies8margot: then why help the spies by getting rid of him?
[16:38] spies8margot: even if i was about talking of voting for him, but that's purely emotional
spies8chance (21:07:29): people have yet to explain to me how claude's role will 'benefit the citizens'.
spies8jasmine (21:09:3): your blinded by wanting him out chance
spies8jasmine (21:09:14): so just stfu bout him for just this round, plzzzzz
spies8gertrude (21:09:38): Hypocrisy is delicious.
spies8broderick (21:10:14): I think it is a mutual thought.
spies8jasmine (21:10:43): I need to head off for a bit, ill bbl tho
spies8jasmine (21:10:44): c ya guys
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spies8broderick (21:10:50): Cya
spies8chance (21:11:1): does this mean i can talk now?
spies8gertrude (21:11:35): Hey, Broderick. Who would you like to Exile tomorrow? If everyone were to follow your lead
spies8broderick (21:12:26): No one.
spies8gertrude (21:12:38): Hmm.
spies8gertrude (21:12:40): Why's that?
spies8broderick (21:14:16): I don't want to be followed. I am not infallible. If we were to follow someone's lead it should be a confirmed Cop.
spies8mary (21:14:29): That's profound.
spies8gertrude (21:14:31): Ok, let me rephrase, then.
spies8gertrude (21:15:13): Who, of the people vulnerable in the Democrats, would be the best lynch?
spies8broderick (21:15:41): Who are the vulnerable Democrats?
spies8gertrude (21:15:49): Everyone but Chance.
spies8broderick (21:15:55): I haven't been able to be around much when a lot of discussion has taken place.
spies8gertrude (21:15:56): And the republicans.
spies8broderick (21:15:58): Oh okay.
spies8broderick (21:16:33): The best to lynch, I don't know.
spies8broderick (21:16:43): Obviously a spy, but does someone know the identity of one?
spies8chance (21:17:12): ...
spies8chance (21:17:24): brod, which democrat would you like to lynch tomorrow?
spies8broderick (21:17:43): It kinda of is the same question you asked the first time.
spies8cinnamyn (21:18:10): broderik i didnt no u wuz such a smart azz lmbo.!
spies8broderick (21:20:21): Let me explain. Thinking someone is the best lynch candidate, implies I hold a lot of information. Which is flat out untrue. It is the second episode, there is no possible way to know enough at this time to guage who out of our group (save for unavailable Chance) is the best one. Unless I happen to be a Cop with a guilty verdict - which I'm not.
spies8chance (21:20:52): i'll be back later.
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spies8broderick (21:21:4): There are people I think are suspicious, but am I completely certain they are a spy and should be lynched? No
spies8cinnamyn (21:21:16): dam, u red a lot farther in 2 dat den i did lmbo
spies8gertrude (21:21:26): Indeed.
spies8gertrude (21:22:10): Who do you find the most suspicious, Brod?
spies8gertrude (21:22:22): Excluding the Republicans and Chance.
spies8broderick (21:23:50): Right now my top suspects in no ranked order are Jasmine, Margot, and you Gertie. Isaac and Lawrence follow though not as strongly.
spies8gertrude (21:23:51): Or a few people, if that makes it easier for you.
spies8gertrude (21:24:1): Awesome.
spies8gertrude (21:24:5): That only took forever.
spies8broderick (21:24:18): lol. You should of asked that to begin with.
spies8gertrude (21:24:22): So, why is Jasmine in your top three?
spies8broderick (21:24:56): Mainly her over reaction to my FoS' before Exile 1.
spies8gertrude (21:25:26): What was her reaction?
spies8cinnamyn (21:26:42): i remember her sayin' sumthin
spies8cinnamyn (21:26:53): i meant 2 ask her if she wuz gunna follow up on it
spies8broderick (21:27:17): I had FYI'd the chat room that I was making them in the suspicions thread. She acknowledged it. Then about five minutes before exile she called it stupid for me to be in the chat all fucking day and to wait until the last minutes. I did it 26 minutes if I remember right before hand. Yes it could be considered short before. But they were FoS'. None were votes.
spies8gertrude (21:27:51): Oh, I do remember that.
spies8broderick (21:27:52): I just thought that it was a complete overreaction.
spies8gertrude (21:28:41): Ok.
spies8gertrude (21:28:50): Then, why Isaac?
spies8broderick (21:28:55): You explained your vote. Margot was kind of weird, but she answered the questions I asked.
spies8broderick (21:29:17): Isaac and Lawrence are because of their episode one actions.
spies8broderick (21:30:36): It seemed they were always in the background during group chats. Lawrence's suspicions of Chance and Claude seemed to come directly from my post in Cinnamyn's thread.
spies8broderick (21:30:47): He said it was a synopsis, which it really wasn't.
spies8broderick (21:31:1): I was attempting to narrow down all of the hesaidshesaid crud.
spies8broderick (21:31:34): The majority of the transcript quotes were from Claude and Chance.
spies8broderick (21:33:1): be right back
spies8gertrude (21:33:48): Ok.
spies8mary (21:34:25): Was Magalie around tonight?
spies8gertrude (21:34:35): Yes, I believe so.
spies8mary (21:34:45): Did she express any suspicions?
spies8claude (21:36:25): Alright, response to Chance entered.
spies8claude (21:36:32): What a waste of time blagh.
spies8mary (21:36:44): All I have on record for her is a weak defense of Chance and a weak attack on Claude.
spies8mary (21:36:57): Gertrude is less suspect than before, but for no reason.
spies8mary (21:37:6): And Broderick is a queer.
spies8gertrude (21:37:12): Ha.
spies8gertrude (21:37:25): Let me try to find what she said.
spies8gertrude (21:37:28): If anything.
spies8gertrude (21:38:40): Actually, I couldn't find her in the chat..
spies8cinnamyn (21:39:3): i feel lyke i mite spend 2 much tyme in chatz
spies8cinnamyn (21:39:13): n' itz makin' it harder 4 me 2 really get a hold on ppl
spies8gertrude (21:39:28): Why's that?
spies8cinnamyn (21:39:57): cuz im lukin at our team, n' i wud luv 2 delve deeper in 2 sum ppl
spies8cinnamyn (21:40:19): isaac, lawrence, jasmine, magalie, awohali
spies8mary (21:40:24): Imwo you can always chat them up directly.
spies8cinnamyn (21:40:26): but ive hardlee talked 2 dem in person
spies8gertrude (21:40:38): Omg.
spies8cinnamyn (21:40:40): n' dey hardlee chat wen dey on
spies8gertrude (21:40:46): I'm laughing so hard right now.
spies8broderick (21:40:55): Okay I'm back
spies8cinnamyn (21:41:44): we can all have our own, broderick can have in my sexy opinion, jasmine can have in my trans opinion, magalie can have in my braindead opinion
spies8broderick (21:41:47): You can send 'em PMs
spies8cinnamyn (21:42:3): o wait, brainded wud conflict wit' black
spies8cinnamyn (21:42:5): shitz
spies8broderick (21:42:44): I tried chatting with Magalie last night, but she called me boring. lol
spies8mary (21:44:48): I keep trying to read Chance's post.
spies8mary (21:45:12): And I get bored and end up switching back to Tuesday night with Magalie.
spies8cinnamyn (21:45:40): i wuz about 2 thro down wit' her
spies8mary (21:45:45): I wonder if she's been a patient of mine before.
spies8mary (21:45:55): She's pretty much a lunatic.
spies8gertrude (21:46:5): She really is
spies8broderick (21:46:46): lol
spies8cinnamyn (21:46:52): awww fukkin damit diz pussy bitch froot fly done jus' went in my water
spies8broderick (21:47:7): Some of her first words to me were how she wanted to punch Jenny
spies8cinnamyn (21:47:7): n' im 2 lazy 2 get up n' get sum more
spies8gertrude (21:47:51): Broderick, since you suspect me
spies8gertrude (21:47:58): is there anything you'd like to ask me?
spies8broderick (21:48:57): lol Cinnamyn dont drink that!
spies8broderick (21:49:18): Yes Gertie there is
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spies8broderick (21:50:19): Test?

spies8gertrude (21:50:22): Welcome back!
spies8mary (21:50:24): Was that your Magalie impersonation?
spies8gertrude (21:50:31): I thought so, too.
spies8cinnamyn (21:50:36): not enuf "fuck"s
spies8broderick (21:50:39): Of course, inadvertantly
spies8broderick (21:50:50): fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck?
spies8cinnamyn (21:50:57): ok now drool
spies8gertrude (21:50:59): Excuse me while I move my laptop to my room.
spies8cinnamyn (21:51:0): a lil bit
spies8broderick (21:51:11): lol
spies8mary (21:53:15): I'll be back soon.
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spies8mary (21:54:41) has left the room.
spies8gertrude (21:54:45): Back.
spies8gertrude (21:54:51): Hey there, Jasmine!
spies8broderick (21:54:54): Hi Jasmine
spies8jasmine (21:54:59): Hey!
spies8cinnamyn (21:55:0): ayyyyyyye jasmine
spies8jasmine (21:55:17): So wats been up since i left
spies8jasmine (21:55:18): anything major
spies8gertrude (21:55:31): Not that I can recall.
spies8cinnamyn (21:55:41): broderick sed he had a crush on u
spies8cinnamyn (21:55:44): but u no, wutever
spies8broderick (21:55:48): lol
spies8jasmine (21:55:56): Really Broderick?
spies8jasmine (21:55:57):
spies8jasmine (21:56:14): Aww thats nice
spies8jasmine (21:56:14):
spies8jasmine (21:56:18): =) I feel important.
spies8broderick (21:56:39): Uhh I'm engaged.
spies8broderick (21:57:7): K Gertie. I know you answered this question, or at least touched upon the subject.
spies8broderick (21:57:29): I can't remember where it was.
spies8broderick (21:58:10): Camilla's posts turned your gut, what did you mean?
spies8broderick (21:58:22): What about them?
spies8gertrude (21:59:30): Is it ok if I copy and paste from my post in Awohali's thread?
spies8gertrude (21:59:46): Regardless, this is the post that set off the alarms in my head:
spies8gertrude (21:59:47): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dems&thread=314&page=1#1137
spies8jasmine (22:00:3): Cinnamyn's Lilith post is interesting.
spies8jasmine (22:00:5): havent tlked to the gurl yet
spies8jasmine (22:00:14): but thats pretty extreme for her first chat.
spies8gertrude (22:00:36): She definitely came in guns blazing.
spies8broderick (22:01:10): I haven't actually seen Lilith on. I guess a schedule difference
spies8cinnamyn (22:01:33): wen we wuz on last nite at lyke 10 est she sed "u ppl r on at a weird tyme.!"
spies8jasmine (22:01:44): [23:56] spies8gertrude: That's "LMBO." Laughing My Butt Off
[23:56] spies8mary: I thought it was imbo for "in my black opinion".
[23:57] spies8mary: Now I'm embarrassed.
spies8jasmine (22:01:50): I LOVE MARY
spies8gertrude (22:02:1): Lilith signed on today at around 3 PM EDT.
spies8gertrude (22:02:13): and signed off at 3:15 PM EDT
spies8jasmine (22:02:27): lol
spies8broderick (22:02:56): lol
spies8gertrude (22:04:6): To be fair, she actually got on at 2:52.
spies8gertrude (22:04:12): I just checked.
spies8gertrude (22:04:37): The odd thing was, she complained that no one was on.
spies8jasmine (22:04:57): lol. I gotta work in the morning, so imma ctach ya later. ill vote tommorrow then. Right now I'm still leaning towards a Margot boot.
spies8cory (22:04:57): Jasmine, no, I'm not taking a back seat.
spies8cory (22:05:1): ask me some questions, babe
spies8jasmine (22:05:6): huh?
spies8cory (22:05:16): I ctrl-f'd my name
spies8jasmine (22:05:17): Was that to like 4 hours ago
spies8cory (22:05:19): Lol
spies8cory (22:05:20): I know
spies8jasmine (22:05:23): LOL
spies8broderick (22:05:25): lol
spies8jasmine (22:05:36): I need to go, but i'll surely ask you some questions tommorrow.
spies8jasmine (22:05:37): =)
spies8cory (22:05:43): Looking forward to it!
spies8jasmine (22:05:46): just keep thinking of me all nitee
spies8gertrude (22:05:51): Broderick, to answer your question:
spies8gertrude (22:05:52): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=dems&thread=423&page=1#1986
spies8jasmine (22:05:54):
spies8cory (22:05:54): I'll consider it.
spies8jasmine (22:05:59): mmhmm
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spies8gertrude (22:06:2): Since you never said if I could c/p or not.
spies8cinnamyn (22:06:6): dere iz way 2 much weird sexual shit in dis team
spies8broderick (22:06:31): Oh heh. I didn't think cop/pasting would be a problem. Sorry
spies8broderick (22:06:36): *copy
spies8broderick (22:06:55): lol Cinnamyn
spies8broderick (22:07:41): I think my internet might go again.
spies8gertrude (22:09:7): That's unfortunate.
spies8broderick (22:09:41): The reason that you hadn't said your Camilla suspicion more publicly, was because of holding cards close to the chest? If I remember the right wording?
spies8gertrude (22:09:55): Essentially, yes.
spies8gertrude (22:10:17): Coming from a background of Survivor, I'm not used to laying the proverbial cards out on the table.
spies8gertrude (22:10:46): However, since then I have tried improving that habit of hiding my suspicions and thoughts.
spies8gertrude (22:10:58): And hopefully, I'm doing decently at it.
spies8broderick (22:11:21): ha. You just answered the question I was about to ask.
spies8gertrude (22:11:34): Which was?
spies8broderick (22:11:47): I was going to ask if you planned on being more open with your suspicions
spies8gertrude (22:11:56): Oh, yes.
spies8gertrude (22:12:4): Would you like to hear mine?
spies8broderick (22:12:11): Yes please
spies8gertrude (22:12:21): Fair enough.
spies8gertrude (22:12:38): First off, I am not sold on the idea that Chance is a Spy.
spies8gertrude (22:13:0): I know that seems to be most people's opinions, but let me make it very clear that I disagree.
spies8gertrude (22:13:30): I don't necessarily think he's town, either, though. I just think the spotlight being put on him is undeserved.
spies8gertrude (22:13:52): Next, I suspect Margot, which shouldn't be surprising.
spies8cory (22:14:10): What reasons that were brought forth about Chance do you think are undeserved?
spies8gertrude (22:14:20): Her response to being questioned about her vote reasoning was essentially a giant deflection onto me.
spies8broderick (22:14:35): Why does it seem most people are sold on him being a spy?
spies8gertrude (22:14:53): Well, everyone seems to think that because Chance was made Immune, the Spies are trying to protect him from Exile.
spies8gertrude (22:15:14): And because whenever asked, people have listed Chance as one of their prime suspects.
spies8gertrude (22:15:39): Jasmine and Claude, specifically, are convinced that he is 100% Spy.
spies8gertrude (22:16:18): Margot also mentioned his name, and Lilith spent hours talking about Chance and his situation last night.
spies8cory (22:16:41): Do you lean Citizen or Spy on Chance?
spies8gertrude (22:17:41): I'm going to have to say Citizen if you're going to make me pick. The sheer amount of people who suspect him makes me suspect him less.
spies8cory (22:18:5): What is your take on Claude, ignoring his role claim?
spies8cinnamyn (22:18:24): doez da sheer amount of ppl suspectin' margot worry u gert.?
spies8gertrude (22:18:31): I think Claude is passionate - more than he'd like to admit
spies8broderick (22:19:4): I agree with that. He tries to deny emotions in the game.
spies8gertrude (22:19:32): No, Cinnamyn, it doesn't. Because people suspect Margot more for what she's said (or hasn't), done (or hasn't), while it seems people suspect Chance because someone used a role on him.
spies8cinnamyn (22:20:0): o ok, cuz i dont think dat at all about chance
spies8cinnamyn (22:20:12): i still think it b 50/50 cit spy
spies8gertrude (22:20:30): Getting back to Claude, I think his passion may cause him to be a little reckless
spies8gertrude (22:20:51): A little too sure of his suspects, a little too quick to claim.
spies8gertrude (22:21:12): I currently think that both Claude and Chance are Citizens.
spies8gertrude (22:21:15): Gasp.
spies8cory (22:21:41): Lol, that's actually my take as well
spies8cory (22:21:47): Though less certain about Chance
spies8cory (22:21:53): My working theory is that the Spies are among the quieter players
spies8gertrude (22:22:7): I would definitely agree.
spies8gertrude (22:22:24): Getting back to the original question - my suspects -
spies8gertrude (22:22:50): I'd say Margot, followed by Isaac.
spies8broderick (22:23:24): Any other reason for Margot besides the apparent deflection to you?
spies8cinnamyn (22:23:33): i think isaac b anotha case of "im here sayin stuff but not actually sayin stuff"
spies8gertrude (22:23:37): Oh, sure.
spies8gertrude (22:23:43): Exactly, Cinnamyn.
spies8gertrude (22:23:57): And sometimes it's "I'm here not saying stuff, but I'm here!"
spies8gertrude (22:24:47): @ Broderick: Her lack of independent thought when reporting her suspects lead me to believe that she either simply find a majority or that someone is telling her who to suspect.
spies8broderick (22:25:18): I recall from the first episode, there were quite a few 'I'm here reading the chat's or 'I'm here catching up'. But would rarely say anything, or contribute into the active discussion. Other than a few comments.
spies8broderick (22:25:45): Could it be possible that she is lost and has no idea what to do?
spies8gertrude (22:25:59): Of course it's possible.
spies8gertrude (22:26:14): I'm not tunneling on her. She could be a Citizen in theory.
spies8broderick (22:26:23): Everyone could
spies8gertrude (22:26:26): I just don't believe she is at the moment.
spies8gertrude (22:26:33): I realize that..
spies8gertrude (22:26:48): That was actually, really my point.
spies8broderick (22:26:51): I know, I think you even said it before.
spies8cory (22:27:0): The main thing I'm worried about with Margot is I kind of feel like she's a noob.
spies8cory (22:27:3): Which makes her harder to read.
spies8gertrude (22:28:13): I can see that.
spies8broderick (22:28:22): I think it is possible. Finding the truth would be rather difficult. People like, regardless of their alignment.
spies8broderick (22:28:36): They lie to hide their identities.
spies8broderick (22:28:43): *lie
spies8gertrude (22:28:51): Well...
spies8gertrude (22:29:6): I'm not sure if I agree with that.
spies8gertrude (22:29:40): Yes, we hide our identities, but nobody really is lying to anyone else. We all KNOW that we're just characters.
spies8gertrude (22:30:1): Is an lie a lie when everyone knows it's not true?
spies8broderick (22:30:2): I'm not really talking about our charactes.
spies8cinnamyn (22:30:2): wut da fukk u talkin' bout, i am a real fabulus diva
spies8broderick (22:30:7): *charactes
spies8broderick (22:30:12): r
spies8cory (22:30:21): I'm not lying
spies8gertrude (22:30:23): Oh. I apologize, then.
spies8cory (22:30:26): I am a real life philosoraptor
spies8gertrude (22:30:26): What do you mean?
spies8broderick (22:31:31): More our experience. With some people it can be apparent they have played some sort of mafia before, or even spies. You can for the most part differentiate from mafia backgrounds to org backgrounds.
spies8broderick (22:31:41): Sometimes it is difficult to tell
spies8broderick (22:32:3): Some people read past games, so they appear to of played before.
spies8broderick (22:32:17): Some people may act like a newbie, but are secretly not
spies8broderick (22:32:24): Some some some some lol
spies8gertrude (22:32:50): Ah.
spies8gertrude (22:33:8): So you're saying Margot could be lying about her being a new Spies player?
spies8cinnamyn (22:33:47): but 2 play devils advocate gertie cud b lyin bout only playin survivor
spies8gertrude (22:34:3): That's true, I could.
spies8broderick (22:34:5): Has she said she was new to Spies?
spies8gertrude (22:34:12): And technically, I've played Big Brother, as well.
spies8gertrude (22:34:32): @ Broderick, I don't know. I assumed so, maybe wrongly.
spies8broderick (22:37:57): I dunno. I think that gauging a person's alignment primarily based on their experience is not always accurate.
spies8broderick (22:38:16): you have to rely on that person being completely honest.
spies8gertrude (22:39:9): I don't think I made that argument...
spies8gertrude (22:39:17): If I did, I apologize. I didn't mean to.
spies8cinnamyn (22:39:37): ok bbz im out 4 da nite, c u tomz
spies8broderick (22:39:52): Oh I was just saying for the record mostly that last one.
spies8broderick (22:39:56): Good night Cinnamyn
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spies8gertrude (22:40:5): Good night!
spies8cory (22:40:16): Lol
spies8broderick (22:40:41): Cory where is your head at?
spies8cory (22:41:49): In terms of?
spies8cory (22:42:17): I was chatting up Cinnamyn and she left our conversation abruptly. Thought it was funny!
spies8broderick (22:43:7): I hope she didn't choke on that fruit fly.
spies8broderick (22:43:27): You said you had a working theory that the spies were among the more quiet players. Could you elaborate?
spies8cory (22:43:27): As for suspects, I think Isaac might be at the top of my list
spies8broderick (22:43:47): Oh. Gertie I didn't ask for you to elaborate on Isaac.
spies8gertrude (22:43:59): That's true, you didn't.
spies8cory (22:44:15): Well, I was looking at the votes after the last exile
spies8cory (22:44:19): It wasa very close 3-way split
spies8gertrude (22:44:27): I really don't have much on him in terms of substantialness, I'll admit.
spies8cory (22:44:46): If we have 2 or 3 Spies on this team, you'd think that, if they were one of those three players, that they could have maneuvered their votes to make it not so tight
spies8broderick (22:45:4): Sorry, be right back. Bathroom
spies8cory (22:45:14): Nobody knew Camilla was going to idle out
spies8cory (22:45:19): She was around just the night before.
spies8gertrude (22:45:19): but there was that one chat when people were ripping Claude a new one, and every five minutes or so, Isaac would say something against Claude and it would be way out of left field.
spies8cory (22:45:50): Ruling out Claude, Chance, myself, that leaves mostly the quiet players
spies8gertrude (22:45:50): Then he would disappear once again, only to come back a little later.
spies8cory (22:45:58): It's been something on my mind since early on in the game
spies8cory (22:46:32): Awohali was another player I had in this same category
spies8cory (22:46:36): But I'm less sure about him now
spies8cory (22:46:42): Margot is another
spies8cory (22:46:50): Cinnamyn was another, but not so much
spies8cory (22:47:6): Basically people who I have noticed sitting in the chat kind of letting the drama do the work
spies8gertrude (22:47:40): To be honest, Cory, you sort of fit that description now.
spies8cory (22:48:9): I may idle, but I'm always willing to participate
spies8cory (22:48:57): No different than Claude
spies8cory (22:49:3): He's always in the chat room but not always here.
spies8gertrude (22:49:12): Except Claude gets into the drama.
spies8broderick (22:49:36): K back
spies8cory (22:50:6): That's because Claude is almost always directly involved in the drama.
spies8gertrude (22:50:15): That's true.
spies8broderick (22:51:12): Do you think they 'let the drama do the work' because the have ulterior motives, or because they simply don't want to get involved?
spies8cory (22:52:6): Basically, I don't think Claude it a Spy. I'm unconvinced that Chance is one. I know I'm not. There are people like Isaac and Margot who don't seem curious enough about actually finding Spies.
spies8cory (22:52:36): I can't conclusively say that one of those two scenarios is true
spies8cory (22:54:24): Maybe 'drama' isn't the right word. But the bigger discussions
spies8cory (22:55:1): The Spies know what's up. They don't need to be curious
spies8cory (22:55:21): They just need to look good.
spies8broderick (22:55:50): If Margot and Isaac are spies, they dont seem to be doing a good job of looking good.
spies8cory (22:56:12): Margot no. But that may be because she's a noob.
spies8cory (22:56:23): Isaac I'd argue has done a good job of staying out of the spotlight
spies8cory (22:56:31): He's one of those people you just don't think about
spies8broderick (22:56:33): What makes you think so about margot?
spies8cory (22:56:39): Because he does enough that you know he's not inactive
spies8cory (22:56:50): But not enough that he has really slipped up
spies8cory (22:56:59): He doesn't strike me as very inquisitive
spies8cory (22:57:12): Think what?
spies8cory (22:59:18): That she's a noob?
spies8cory (22:59:35): Not sure.
spies8cory (22:59:35): I talked to her once. It's just the impression I got

[Broderick]

spies8broderick (23:02:34): Yes that she is a noob. Could you elaborate on the impression?
spies8broderick (23:04:4): Heh. Margot posted in The democrats
spies8cory (23:04:18): Not sure. She just kind of struck me as clueless.
spies8cory (23:05:43): Hmmm
spies8cory (23:05:52): She really needs to get online
spies8broderick (23:08:5): Damn lilith speeds
spies8gertrude (23:09:54): ?
spies8broderick (23:10:2): I dont get why Chance and Claude are so focused on each other. I would think that since apparently thoughts on Claude will be held off, he would look at other people.
spies8broderick (23:10:24): I was reading Cinnamyn's thread. Lilith had multiples chat posts with the same timestamp.
spies8gertrude (23:10:38): Oh, yes.
spies8cory (23:12:48): Lol, she talks at 10 miles per second
spies8claude (23:13:14): Chance is in an awkward position.
spies8claude (23:13:24): I'm largely the only person he can go at.
spies8claude (23:13:31): He'll probably try to switch up to Jasmine soon though.
spies8gertrude (23:14:28): Well, he said that you and Jasmine were his top suspects.
spies8gertrude (23:14:33): So that would make sense.
spies8broderick (23:15:31): Why does he suspect Jasmine?
spies8gertrude (23:15:53): I love speaking for other people.
spies8gertrude (23:15:58): One second and I'll invite him.
spies8broderick (23:16:16): lol. I would of asked him myself, but he got mad at me earlier for asking him questions.
spies8broderick (23:16:25): Hi Chance
spies8chance (23:16:27): referring to me, brod?
spies8chance (23:16:28): hi.
spies8gertrude (23:16:36): Chance, hello!
spies8broderick (23:16:36): yes
spies8gertrude (23:16:46): We were wondering why you suspect Jasmine.
spies8chance (23:16:48): rephrase - i wasn't mad at your questioning, i was mad at your attitude.
spies8chance (23:16:50): 'sup gertie.
spies8chance (23:17:1): well, because her reasons for voting me are crap, like i said earlier.
spies8chance (23:17:22): and given that i got just as many votes as cam last round, i think that makes her just as bandwagony.
spies8chance (23:17:40): i don't think anyone's looked at the people who voted me, though. all the focus has been on the camilla voters.
spies8broderick (23:18:5): For those of us who may not of been here earlier, mind elaborating on why her reasons are crap?
spies8broderick (23:18:12): Camilla is a confirmed citizen.
spies8chance (23:18:25): sure.
spies8chance (23:19:3): this may just be how it seems to me, but jas went on and on about how any talking about hal's no-exile comment was pointless and how it was boring her, and me being the one that kept bringing it up made me suspicious.
spies8chance (23:19:15): and then she ended up voting me for 'swapping my suspects around', which i clearly didn't.
spies8chance (23:19:43): i was on claude since mid-episode 1 and suspected brod a little bit before he eased my mind, but other than that...
spies8chance (23:20:6): mags was my second choice for a vote at the time but that's because she hadn't shown up and all she'd posted was in-character.
spies8broderick (23:20:37): Do you know if her suspicons of you have changed since last episode?
spies8chance (23:21:1): jas's? they haven't.
spies8chance (23:21:22): she hasn't evidenced any new suspicions at all, but i'm 'scummy as hell' apparently.
spies8broderick (23:22:49): So you suspect her because she has crap reasons to suspect you?
spies8chance (23:23:5): i suspect her because i think she bandwagoned on me.
spies8chance (23:23:27): because i've seen next to no participation from her. she talks a lot about how she has a penis and how it's so terrible.
spies8chance (23:23:34): and asks lots of questions.
spies8broderick (23:23:50): Isn't asking questions a component of participating?
spies8chance (23:24:4): not when you do nothing with the information gained by said questions, no.
spies8chance (23:24:10): then it just looks like you're participating.
spies8chance (23:24:28): what do you think of jasmine, brod?
spies8broderick (23:25:4): I suspect her. I FoS' her because I thought her vote was bandwagony, before Exile 1.
spies8broderick (23:25:10): *'d
spies8chance (23:25:24): okay.
spies8chance (23:25:50): she says things are boring and pointless a lot and that we should move on to a different topic, but she never actually has a new topic to move on to.
spies8broderick (23:26:33): You think that is suspect?
spies8broderick (23:26:40): If so, why?
spies8chance (23:27:6): i don't know if it's suspect, but it's for sure lazy play.
spies8chance (23:27:22): same as that she wouldn't read my case earlier, or pay attention to anything i said.
spies8broderick (23:27:49): Lazy play is suspicious then?
spies8claude (23:28:9): So. If Jasmine is a Spy and was trying to cause a mislynch, why didn't she vote Camilla?
spies8chance (23:28:52): brod - well, it's certainly not helpful, is it?
spies8chance (23:29:8): claude - you'd have to ask her that. if i answer that i'm sure i'll be accused of putting words in her mouth, or some such.
spies8broderick (23:29:27): WEll does not being helpful equate to being a spy?
spies8claude (23:29:29): No see, I am asking for your opinion on the matter.
spies8chance (23:30:0): brod - no, it doesn't. i think i've stated my stance on unhelpfuls multiple times, though.
spies8chance (23:30:3): claude - okay, then.
spies8broderick (23:30:28): Okay, so are you using it as a point against her in general, or a point to suspect her with?
spies8chance (23:30:35): honestly i don't see any reason for jas not to have voted camilla if she wanted to cause a mislynch, unless it's that she didn't want to be on the camilla wagon when she flipped cit.
spies8chance (23:31:17): which is entirely possible. there seemed to be a number of votes on camilla already as evidenced by the vote thread, so maybe jas thought there'd be enough to lynch cam without having to vote her herself.
spies8chance (23:31:36): you obviously can't know this, but a cam lynch or a lynch on me - either would have been good for a spy.
spies8chance (23:32:0): brod - i'm honestly not sure. it's against her in general, yes. i'm not sure if i suspect her based on it or not.
spies8claude (23:33:27): So instead she put her vote on you, which would have appeared to cause a 3 way tie, with one person that you say is her scumbuddy(me) and 2 people that were citizens(if we're to believe that you are a citizen, which I obviously don't, but I'm stating this from your perspective). If she is my scumbuddy, when it comes to tiebreaker votes, she is pretty obviously not going to vote me. So she is still going to end up voting either A)camilla(known citizen now) or B)you(whom according to you is not a Spy). The end result is the same.
spies8broderick (23:33:29): Okay. I was just wondering why you brought it up
spies8gertrude (23:34:48): Ok, I just fell asleep at the computer.
spies8gertrude (23:34:59): That means it's time for me to go to bed.
spies8broderick (23:35:2): Uh oh
spies8chance (23:35:4): claude, i'm not sure what you're getting at. it's 1:35 in the morning for me.
spies8claude (23:35:7): Good night TGertrude.
spies8broderick (23:35:8): good Night Gertie
spies8chance (23:35:9): could you rephrase, or something?
spies8gertrude (23:35:13): Good night!
spies8claude (23:35:14): Guess I'll save it for later.
spies8chance (23:35:17): because i really am trying to answer.
spies8claude (23:35:19): Let's try something easier.
spies8chance (23:35:21): night gertie.
spies8claude (23:36:32): Considering that almost everyone has said that they will not be voting me today, and you apparently are deeply suspicious of Jasmine, why are you spending all of your time making a deep case on me, and not her? Please note that I do not *want* you to make a case on Jasmine, as I am absolutely convinced that she is a Citizen, based on what I said above. But there appears to be a disconnect between your actions here.
spies8chance (23:37:20): because no one else seems to think you're a spy. and given that i do, focusing on you seemed to be the best way to change their minds.
spies8chance (23:37:30): and did you see how long it took me to do the case on you?!
spies8chance (23:37:36): i'm still crosseyed from it.
spies8broderick (23:37:41): Side question. How can you be absolutely convinced episode 2 Claude?
spies8claude (23:37:56): What does it being episode 2 matter?
spies8claude (23:38:4): If Jasmine were a Spy, she would have voted Camilla.
spies8broderick (23:38:14): How can you be so sure?
spies8claude (23:38:29): Well, it helps that I know that I'm a Citizen.
spies8broderick (23:38:38): Considering you have yet to meet and discuss with the entire Republican team. ..
spies8broderick (23:38:55): How does that help knowing what a spy would do?
spies8claude (23:38:58): And by ensuring Camilla's lynch, it would make it very likely that I would get lynched today, giving the spies citizen lynches on this side for 2 days in a row.
spies8broderick (23:39:30): You think a spy would make such a bold move the first exile?
spies8chance (23:40:2): claude, i don't really like your reasoning here.
spies8chance (23:40:7): how can you know what jas would do as a cit or a spy?
spies8claude (23:40:35): It doesn't matter that it's Jasmine. It doesn't matter who it is. By and large, spies act one way and citizens act another way.
spies8broderick (23:41:18): Honestly Claude, your theories seem straight out of a manual and seem to factor in actual game play and what actuall would happen very little to none
spies8chance (23:41:23): but saying 'jas would have done this if she was a spy' seems like a lot of arrogance on your part.
spies8claude (23:41:40): I don't understand what you are referring to as a 'bold move', Broderick.
spies8claude (23:42:7): How is that arrogance? Spies act how Spies act. In their own self-interest, and to further the cause of their team to the most extent possibile.
spies8broderick (23:42:10): Say both of you are citizens.
spies8claude (23:42:34): Both of whom? Myself and Camilla?
spies8broderick (23:42:55): That would of made the top three front runners for last exile, three cits. So why would it matter whether or not Jas voted for Camilla (as you say it is what spyJas WOULD do) as it would most likely result in a citlynch regardless.
spies8broderick (23:43:6): You and Chance. We know Camilla is a cit
spies8claude (23:45:30): Jasmine was going to get accused of bandwagon voting no matter what, because..that is what she did. In that circumstance, making it a 3 way tie instead of a 2 way tie is meaningless. That would be a Spy throwing away their vote, which is not something I believe would happen on Day 1.
spies8chance (23:45:54): why not?
spies8chance (23:46:3): it's extremely easy to misexile on day 1.
spies8broderick (23:46:33): The likliehood of mislynching the first exile is largely higher than hitting a spy.
spies8claude (23:46:33): Interesting to see you make that statement now, when Day 1 I said effectively the same thing, and you pointed out that last game on Day 1 Spies were Exiled by both sides.
spies8claude (23:46:48): I know the statistics, though I don't see how they are relevant here.
spies8chance (23:47:40): i believe i said that a spy was exiled day one in the last two games, actually. and it's true. it doesn't change that it's extremely easy to misexile on day 1. it's just not impossible.
spies8broderick (23:47:43): Spies have to think and last longterm.
spies8chance (23:47:59): and what better way for a spy to last longterm than to not be on a wagon when a cit flips?
spies8broderick (23:48:18): I doubt they would pull out all their moves in the beginning
spies8claude (23:48:20): That is such a bad argument. A Spy can't avoid suspicion by just never being on the lynch wagon.
spies8chance (23:49:0): are you saying a spy would want to be on the wagon when a cit flips?
spies8broderick (23:49:11): Why is it a bad argument?
spies8claude (23:49:42): I'm saying that, if you are consistently not on the wagon of the person that gets lynched, it makes it very apparent that you are simply trying to avoid lynching citizens.
spies8chance (23:49:57): it was the first exile. consistency doesn't come into it.
spies8claude (23:50:2): No, but it will.
spies8broderick (23:50:5): It is statistically proveable that people look firstly at the voters who voted out the lynchee.
spies8chance (23:50:23): but in the context of jasmine's first vote and why she voted the way she did, it doesn't matter.
spies8broderick (23:52:49): K. my eyes are faltering. Night
spies8chance (23:52:54): night brod.
spies8chance (23:52:58): i'm about to hit the hay m yself.