which followed the long coversation we had at the last exile:
(9:19:23 PM) spies8stephanie: hey own
(9:19:26 PM) spies8stephanie: owen*
(9:19:33 PM) spies8owen: Hey hey.
(9:19:43 PM) spies8stephanie: am i really coming off as scummy?
(9:19:53 PM) spies8owen: Depends: do you still have the suspicions of me?
(9:19:58 PM) spies8owen: or Ronnie.
(9:19:59 PM) spies8stephanie: no
(9:20:01 PM) spies8stephanie: no
(9:20:02 PM) spies8owen: They seemed very genuine the other night.
(9:20:08 PM) spies8stephanie: they were genuine
(9:20:19 PM) spies8owen: What caused you to change your mind?
(9:20:40 PM) spies8stephanie: savannah looking more scummy
(9:21:19 PM) spies8owen: So one person looking more scummy changes your opinion on everyone else? :/
(9:21:42 PM) spies8stephanie: no
(9:22:04 PM) spies8stephanie: nita asked me who i thought was suspicious and i told her
(9:22:09 PM) spies8stephanie: and i told her why
(9:22:34 PM) spies8stephanie: i thought dane looked suspicious too
(9:22:42 PM) spies8stephanie: but things change and you move on
(9:23:37 PM) spies8owen: Ugh. You're at least admitting your faults and not trying to cover it up.
(9:23:45 PM) spies8owen: Sav denies that she's deflected stuff off of herself.
(9:24:20 PM) spies8stephanie: i had a hard time this episode
(9:24:50 PM) spies8stephanie: i was really convinced that dane was a spy and then when alex flipped and everythiing changed i was a little lost for a while
(9:31:59 PM) spies8stephanie: and you didn't say why i am coming off more scummy today?
(9:32:15 PM) spies8stephanie: very distressing
(9:33:19 PM) spies8owen: Because you're eliminating suspects for reasons that you seemed very adamant about the other night and focusing on someone that's picking up tons of heat
(9:33:31 PM) spies8owen: Instead of sticking to your other thoughts and focusing on her at the same time
(9:34:07 PM) spies8stephanie: hmmm...ok
(9:34:26 PM) spies8owen: Rondak answered your question... but me? What have I done that's changed anything about your odd reason of suspecting me?
(9:35:11 PM) spies8stephanie: nothing
(9:35:22 PM) spies8stephanie: and i might suspect you again
(9:35:39 PM) spies8stephanie:
(9:35:55 PM) spies8owen: Try being consistent. Looks less scummy.
(9:35:58 PM) spies8stephanie: i think i was more adamant the other night than i really felt
(9:36:05 PM) spies8owen: You were VERY adamant.
(9:36:12 PM) spies8stephanie: because nita was giving me a hard time
(9:36:45 PM) spies8stephanie: so that's where the inconsistency is
(9:36:52 PM) spies8owen: Understandable.
(9:38:12 PM) spies8stephanie: i was pretty consistent on dane
(9:38:19 PM) spies8stephanie: that didn't do me a lot of good
(9:38:53 PM) spies8owen: What made you change your opinion of Dane?
(9:38:53 PM) spies8stephanie: not sure it helps to be consistently wrong
(9:39:03 PM) spies8stephanie: alex is what me change my mind
(9:39:13 PM) spies8stephanie: and on zeke as well
(9:39:14 PM) spies8owen: When he flipped scum?
(9:39:17 PM) spies8stephanie: yes
(9:39:19 PM) spies8owen: Gotcha.
(11:55:44 PM) spies8stephanie: hey owen?
(11:55:49 PM) spies8stephanie: are you still here?
(11:56:18 PM) spies8owen: Yes ma'am. How are you?
(11:56:39 PM) spies8stephanie: still here and trying to make sense of things
(11:57:25 PM) spies8owen: I'm trying to make sense of why in the hell Sav didn't claim before the votes closed
(11:57:28 PM) spies8owen: She had SO much time.
(11:57:36 PM) spies8stephanie: exactly
(11:57:54 PM) spies8owen: Guess I was right about if she wasn't scummy, she was selfish town.
(11:58:02 PM) spies8owen: She could have prevented a mislynch at the very least
(11:58:05 PM) spies8stephanie: though heaven knows what we would have done, but...
(11:58:37 PM) spies8stephanie: at least we could have done something
(11:59:11 PM) spies8stephanie: at least we would have had the info
(11:59:27 PM) spies8stephanie: it didn't do us any good at all after the fact
(11:59:33 PM) spies8owen: Exactly. She really screwed us on that one.
(12:00:09 AM) spies8owen: It seems like it was more to rub it in our faces
(12:00:13 AM) spies8stephanie: so i have no clue what to make of the vote this time
(12:00:13 AM) spies8owen: Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
(12:00:29 AM) spies8stephanie: savannah, the known cit
(12:00:59 AM) spies8stephanie: and me who i know is cit and themba who i think is cit and allan who has also claimed a role
(12:01:23 AM) spies8stephanie: it looks like the spies just rolled over us
(12:03:25 AM) spies8owen: I kinda wish that Jenny was still with us. I definitely want to look at her a lot more now.
(12:03:46 AM) spies8owen: She doesn't share many of her thoughts, but she's always the first to IM someone or invite them to the chat
(12:03:49 AM) spies8owen: Or give us a reminder.
(12:04:09 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah i've said that for a while now
(12:04:29 AM) spies8stephanie: i'm would not have claimed through her
(12:04:43 AM) spies8owen: As have I. I just haven't been able to get ANYTHING else on her. She hasn't made any slips, she's just off in general.
(12:04:45 AM) spies8stephanie: and am surprised that all of the claims went through her
(12:04:58 AM) spies8owen: I would have went through Nita.
(12:05:05 AM) spies8stephanie: yea
(12:05:13 AM) spies8stephanie: or maybe in my case tina
(12:05:21 AM) spies8owen: I'm PRETTY sure that Nita was the doctors save. It makes the most sense.
(12:07:11 AM) spies8owen: Savannah seemed to be suspicious of Jenny as she went out too. They seemed pretty friendly with each other, so that's something to look into.
(12:07:22 AM) spies8stephanie: it does, but it sure seems like it would have been obvious from the spies pov also
(12:08:08 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah i actually asked jenny if she had told savannah about the claim form allan
(12:08:09 AM) spies8owen: Maybe not. It seemed like Jenny NEVER bought into the Savannah stuff.
(12:08:29 AM) spies8stephanie: cause savannah was so hot on him last night and cool today
(12:08:31 AM) spies8owen: In that case, she'd look good after a mislynch of Sav.
(12:08:38 AM) spies8stephanie: and it seemed like they talked
(12:09:20 AM) spies8owen: Do you know when he claimed to her?
(12:09:25 AM) spies8owen: Before the quitting?
(12:09:39 AM) spies8stephanie: no i think it was last night, but not sure
(12:10:40 AM) spies8stephanie: jenny was stuck on zeke for round 1
(12:10:56 AM) spies8stephanie: and then just lost on round 2 as far as i could tell
(12:11:49 AM) spies8owen: Stuck on Zed, not too suspicious of Alexei (she says this is because he reminded her of Spies6Callahan). I didn't know she suspected you until last night, I thought she was still on Zed this round.
(12:11:51 AM) spies8stephanie: looking back at log
(12:12:00 AM) spies8stephanie: jenny says he claimed before he quit
(12:12:27 AM) spies8owen: That's so early to claim to Jenny.
(12:12:28 AM) spies8owen: I don't get it.
(12:12:35 AM) spies8owen: What has she done that makes her trustworthy?
(12:12:55 AM) spies8stephanie: invited everyone to chat?
(12:13:11 AM) spies8owen: That's suuuuch a town-tell, I know
(12:13:22 AM) spies8owen: She just can't be a spy... she invited me to the chat.
(12:14:53 AM) spies8owen: And unfortuntely, she's in the other group now.
(12:15:50 AM) spies8stephanie: so i have no reason to disbelieve allan's claim
(12:16:07 AM) spies8owen: Not yet, nope.
(12:16:10 AM) spies8stephanie: except that i always disbelieve claims
(12:16:29 AM) spies8owen: Unless someone tests it somehow. I'm not sure how that'd work though -- he could just fake results of things.
(12:17:04 AM) spies8owen: Unless there's a tracker or watcher and they can see if he visits someone. *thinks too far ahead*
(12:17:09 AM) spies8stephanie: if he and jenny were spy buddies
(12:17:32 AM) spies8stephanie: tho
(12:18:27 AM) spies8owen: I don't think they'd tie themselves together like that.
(12:18:37 AM) spies8owen: In those cases, it's usually a spy playing a citizen.
(12:18:52 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah you're probably right
(12:18:56 AM) spies8owen: Examples from last season: Cassidy/Andreas, Vladimir/Anton
(12:19:00 AM) spies8stephanie: wishful thinking on my part
(12:20:51 AM) spies8owen: brb
(12:20:56 AM) spies8stephanie: k
(12:27:22 AM) spies8owen: Alrighty, I'm back
(12:28:29 AM) spies8owen: I'm actually pretty happy we're getting a break. I usually dislike them, but I could really use one right now. Haven't been feeling well the past few days
(12:28:59 AM) spies8owen: Even though I'll probably end up online tomorrow and/or read up on the old democrats on our team now.
(12:29:01 AM) spies8stephanie: i was looking forward to it
(12:29:26 AM) spies8stephanie: but then after the exile, i'm all psyched up to keep going
(12:29:57 AM) spies8owen: That's the spirit.
(12:30:07 AM) spies8owen: At least it gives us some time to look over the new people we're meeting
(12:30:29 AM) spies8stephanie: yep
(12:31:05 AM) spies8stephanie: since, unlike dane, i haven't kept up with them at all yet
(12:31:09 AM) spies8stephanie:
(12:31:24 AM) spies8stephanie: gosh i really was sure he was a spy
(12:32:17 AM) spies8owen: He still COULD be, just doubtful at the moment
(12:32:41 AM) spies8owen: And aww, you guys are still together. Not even a dice roll could separate you.
(12:33:00 AM) spies8stephanie: hehe
(12:34:17 AM) spies8stephanie: i think he is a cit, but my plan is to keep bitching at him the entire game
(12:35:44 AM) spies8stephanie: he's already had his break from me, not going to get another
(12:36:29 AM) spies8stephanie: did you talk to new kiara at all?
(12:36:31 AM) spies8owen: He and I have actually gotten along well so far *knock on wood*
(12:36:35 AM) spies8owen: Nope, I haven't.
(12:36:58 AM) spies8owen: Have you?
(12:37:36 AM) spies8stephanie: i talked to her this evening
(12:37:50 AM) spies8stephanie: and told her that i was voting savannah and why
(12:38:06 AM) spies8stephanie: and told her that themba was on my cit list and why
(12:38:26 AM) spies8stephanie: but she obviously paid no attention to me
(12:38:36 AM) spies8stephanie: so i'm not sure what to think
(12:38:51 AM) spies8stephanie: themba tells me that she never talked to her
(12:39:20 AM) spies8owen: One sec, gotta check her vote reasoning.
(12:41:36 AM) spies8owen: Ehh, I can't be too hard on that since she's had like 2 rounds of things to catch up on.
(12:41:49 AM) spies8owen: But there's a few holes in it (as expected)
(12:41:53 AM) spies8stephanie: no i agree
(12:42:13 AM) spies8stephanie: i'd hate to be in her position
(12:42:22 AM) spies8stephanie: with no clue
(12:42:44 AM) spies8owen: Same. Being a replacement would be really difficult. probably would have been easier for her had she come in during the break.
(12:42:50 AM) spies8stephanie: i was just wondering where her vote came from
(12:43:01 AM) spies8stephanie: other themba voters were zeke and nita
(12:43:20 AM) spies8owen: "her vote changing is very suspect. plus, she was quick to point out alexeis final words before leaving the group chat as admitting to being a spy, but still didnt vote for him? if you realize someone is a spy you vote them out. period."
(12:43:39 AM) spies8owen: Guess she didn't see that Themba thought bought could be spies.
(12:44:51 AM) spies8owen: And was consistent on that. It was more of the things she said while doing it that were a bit questionable. Like when Alexei said "I don't even care if you're town" tp Dane and Themba said that was all she needed to hear and kinda disregarded the other parts of the case.
(12:45:01 AM) spies8owen: to Dane*
(12:45:22 AM) spies8stephanie: ok
(12:45:31 AM) spies8owen: That was kinda rambly, sorry about that.
(12:45:37 AM) spies8owen: Not sure if it's even understandable, heh
(12:45:39 AM) spies8stephanie: so maybe it was just reading the burg
(12:45:51 AM) spies8stephanie: and not someone convincing her?
(12:45:53 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, it seems like it. Or she talked to Nita.
(12:45:59 AM) spies8owen: Since Nita was on Themba as well
(12:46:14 AM) spies8owen: And we know Nita is very convincing. We'll have to ask her about it.\
(12:46:50 AM) spies8stephanie: i she still on our team?
(12:46:57 AM) spies8stephanie: is*
(12:47:02 AM) spies8owen: Kiara? I believe so.
(12:47:06 AM) spies8owen: Let me check.
(12:47:08 AM) spies8stephanie: nita?
(12:47:23 AM) spies8owen: Kiara is, Nita isn't.
(12:47:40 AM) spies8owen: I meant asking Kiara about what went into making her decision.
(12:47:57 AM) spies8stephanie: ahh
(12:48:58 AM) spies8stephanie: gabriel was beating himself up earlier
(12:49:18 AM) spies8stephanie: but i didn't understand anything he was saying
(12:49:36 AM) spies8stephanie: i think he feels responsible for the savvy lynch
(12:49:45 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, I know. I flipped out a bit with him. The late roleclaim really pissed me off
(12:50:18 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah i think everyone was pissed off about it!
(12:50:41 AM) spies8owen: Only ones that aren't are the Spies. Didn't even have to waste a imprisonment on her. Blah.
(12:51:24 AM) spies8stephanie: i still don't know what she was thinking
(12:51:43 AM) spies8stephanie: why even bother to cliam after the fact?
(12:52:29 AM) spies8owen: The only thing I can think is that she didn't want to get imprisoned because of it. But still, if you're playing for the town, you help us avoid a mislynch even if it means you're likely to get imprisoned. it's better than getting mislynched...
(12:52:46 AM) spies8owen: I really don't know why she did it. I thought she was messing around with Gabe after he first told me
(12:52:50 AM) spies8owen: because there was really NO POINT of it
(12:53:25 AM) spies8stephanie: exactly
(12:54:42 AM) spies8stephanie: but did gabriel make any other sense to you?
(12:55:12 AM) spies8stephanie: he started rambling about the last thing ronnie said
(12:55:27 AM) spies8stephanie: and it didn't make sense to me
(12:55:40 AM) spies8owen: In chat or to you privately?
(12:55:46 AM) spies8stephanie: to me
(12:56:09 AM) spies8owen: He was just really pissed and talking about the fact that she could have PROVED her role to us, so yeah, he was making sense.
(12:56:12 AM) spies8stephanie: oh wait gabe was to me
(12:56:28 AM) spies8stephanie: i don't knwo about rondak
(12:56:46 AM) spies8owen: Was Ronnie even there for the lynch?
(12:56:51 AM) spies8owen: I thought he left in the middle.
(12:57:27 AM) spies8stephanie: no last thing the said in the spies8rep chat was that he was voting sav and had some family crisis
(12:58:13 AM) spies8stephanie: so i never figured out what gabe was going on about
(12:58:51 AM) spies8stephanie: but i like gabe and have him on my more or less cit list
(12:58:59 AM) spies8stephanie: so i would have like to have known
(12:59:48 AM) spies8stephanie: i'll ask again when i see him -- he's still on our team righat?
(1:00:01 AM) spies8owen: Mmhmm, Gabe is still with us.
(1:00:21 AM) spies8owen: I think he's town as well. Unless he's an amazing actor, he seemed convinced about Sav
(1:01:21 AM) spies8stephanie: yep
(1:01:53 AM) spies8stephanie: he's the one that first started my suspicions of her
(1:02:00 AM) spies8stephanie: right after the last exile
(1:02:43 AM) spies8owen: He told me of his suspicion of her before the first exile when she first started talking about lynching lurkers.
(1:02:45 AM) spies8owen: and inactives
(1:03:32 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah she really should have been a spy
(1:03:39 AM) spies8owen: Sure acted like one.
(1:03:48 AM) spies8stephanie: yep
(1:05:15 AM) spies8stephanie: but i am back in the same boat again with no suspects
(1:05:42 AM) spies8stephanie: and not even any suspects from the votes
(1:07:03 AM) spies8owen: I'm not sure how to read the votes either. I'm in the same spot I was in before minus Sav (and Jenny being on the other team)
(1:07:27 AM) spies8owen: Which is kind of wary of you, but again, you've been honest (or at least it would appear) about anything I've asked you
(1:08:07 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah i can't really be suspect of you for being wary of me
(1:08:19 AM) spies8stephanie: i'm pretty wary of me also
(1:08:29 AM) spies8owen: I'm more interested in seeing what the new players are about
(1:08:33 AM) spies8owen: and lmao, that's exactly what I mean.
(1:08:35 AM) spies8owen: You're honest.
(1:09:38 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah well cits need to be honest, even if they are stupid
(1:09:53 AM) spies8owen: Exactly. That's why I stuck on Vannah.
(1:09:58 AM) spies8owen: She denied how she acted.
(1:10:34 AM) spies8stephanie: and part of why i now think zeke and dane are cits
(1:10:47 AM) spies8stephanie: honest, but clueless
(1:11:27 AM) spies8stephanie: i really still wish dane were a spy
(1:11:38 AM) spies8owen: Hahaha, you and Hammy both.
(1:11:41 AM) spies8stephanie: everytime i think about him i wish he were a spy
(1:12:32 AM) spies8owen: I feel that way about Sav now.
(1:12:36 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah i haven't made up my mind about hammy yet
(1:12:46 AM) spies8owen: I'm gonna try and forget that she even roleclaimed so I'm not angry the entire time I'm here.
(1:13:20 AM) spies8owen: Hammy seems to have picked up on things quickly (maybe too quickly) for someone that's only played Survivor
(1:13:21 AM) spies8stephanie: hammy was all cuddly with me when i was making my case on dane
(1:13:36 AM) spies8stephanie: which just made me nervous
(1:14:07 AM) spies8stephanie: but i'm willing to put that down to him being a survivor
(1:14:41 AM) spies8stephanie: i asked him the last night about rondak not knowing about bussing
(1:15:02 AM) spies8stephanie: and he said survivor players wouldn't knwo the term
(1:15:23 AM) spies8stephanie: and then reported to ronnie that i had asked
(1:15:45 AM) spies8stephanie: my typing is really awful sry
(1:16:24 AM) spies8owen: I think both Ronnie AND Hambone question if the other is new to Mafia.
(1:16:39 AM) spies8owen: Both have questioned it to me.
(1:16:48 AM) spies8stephanie: interesting
(1:17:27 AM) spies8owen: I'm more sure that Ronnie is new than Hambone is though. Hambone made it a point the first chat to say it.
(1:17:33 AM) spies8stephanie: i was questioning about ronnie because certainly mafia player would know bussing
(1:17:35 AM) spies8owen: Rondak started revealing it as time went on.
(1:17:57 AM) spies8stephanie: and i dont' have a clue about survivor players
(1:18:04 AM) spies8owen: Yeah. I'd like to ask if he read back on past seasons or whatever.
(1:18:10 AM) spies8owen: Because busing isn't an obvious term.
(1:18:28 AM) spies8owen: Maybe he heard others mention it.
(1:18:51 AM) spies8owen: Almost impossible to know for sure :/
(1:19:06 AM) spies8stephanie: and i think bussing is self-explanatory, but maybe that's just me
(1:19:25 AM) spies8owen: Bus = throw under bus, yeah. To me, it's pretty simple.
(1:19:36 AM) spies8stephanie: hambone was telling me about "blindside" in survivor
(1:19:53 AM) spies8stephanie: and i thought that also self-explanatory
(1:20:08 AM) spies8owen: Hahaha, yeah. That term has been used in Spies as well.
(1:20:49 AM) spies8owen: I'd say bussing is a bit less self explanitory, but yeah.
(1:21:07 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah,
(1:21:45 AM) spies8stephanie: i'm not sure that if you're new that you would have any clue about it
(1:21:59 AM) spies8stephanie: but i still think that if you asked about it once
(1:22:07 AM) spies8stephanie: and then asked again
(1:22:31 AM) spies8stephanie: but whatever
(1:22:56 AM) spies8stephanie: he just said he forgot, i'm willing to let it go for the moment
(1:23:37 AM) spies8owen: Yeah. I think you have to for now.
(1:23:39 AM) spies8stephanie: or i say i am, but obviously, i keep bringing it up, sry
(1:23:47 AM) spies8owen: Though, with all the *nodding* and *shrugging* he does.
(1:23:50 AM) spies8owen: He could be a new Kathie
(1:23:50 AM) spies8owen:
(1:24:04 AM) spies8owen: Or Pete.
(1:24:39 AM) spies8owen: I think this is a really good cast though, so if he slips, I think he'll get caught.
(1:24:43 AM) spies8stephanie: yep i'm willing to let it go for now, but i am not forgetting about it
(1:25:25 AM) spies8stephanie: and speaking of not letting it go...
(1:25:45 AM) spies8stephanie: do you really think there were no bussers on alex?
(1:26:19 AM) spies8owen: I never said that there was none, I beleive I told you that there's a good possibility of it.
(1:26:26 AM) spies8owen: I just don't think it should be written in stone
(1:26:34 AM) spies8owen: and I also don't think people should just pick out of one side of voters.
(1:26:48 AM) spies8owen: that's what Nita was trying to stress as well.
(1:26:52 AM) spies8owen: It's possible, but don't rely on it
(1:26:56 AM) spies8stephanie: oh heck that all seems reasonable
(1:26:57 AM) spies8owen: you have to look all over the place.
(1:27:25 AM) spies8stephanie: nita really was driving me crazy that night
(1:27:55 AM) spies8owen: You were the third person to get grilled that night by her.
(1:28:05 AM) spies8owen: I think by then she was getting annoyed, hahah
(1:28:20 AM) spies8owen: It was Sav, then Themba, then you.
(1:28:42 AM) spies8stephanie: and she voted for themba
(1:28:57 AM) spies8owen: Mmhmm. Themba actually answered he questions the best, I think
(1:29:14 AM) spies8stephanie: i like themba
(1:29:15 AM) spies8owen: I figured she was voting for Sav.
(1:29:20 AM) spies8stephanie: she's on my cit list
(1:29:21 AM) spies8owen: Me too, we get along well.
(1:29:31 AM) spies8owen: I have a harder time reading her because of how well we get along.
(1:29:34 AM) spies8owen: It makes things cloudy.
(1:30:24 AM) spies8owen: She's very good at responding to things she's asked though
(1:30:27 AM) spies8stephanie: and she's on my cit list cause the first morning after the zeke debacle("i don't know about aim")
(1:30:39 AM) spies8owen: She does it quickly and it's always thorough
(1:30:46 AM) spies8owen: you can't really plan out answers if you're doing them that quickly.
(1:31:06 AM) spies8stephanie: she was scouring her chat logs for where zeke had said that he had already played spies
(1:31:25 AM) spies8stephanie: it looked like she was really sclum hunting
(1:32:20 AM) spies8stephanie: she never found it, or found that it was someone else
(1:32:22 AM) spies8owen: I haven't gotten to see much of her hunting, she doesn't really question me much.
(1:32:37 AM) spies8owen: We mainly just make each other laugh.
(1:32:41 AM) spies8stephanie: but scouring her logs made me at least think she was hunting
(1:33:28 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, it's usually a good sign when people actually read stuff (and re-read)
(1:33:51 AM) spies8stephanie: lol
(1:34:04 AM) spies8owen: Though it can be easily faked.
(1:34:09 AM) spies8stephanie: i know all of my savannah logs by heart now
(1:34:27 AM) spies8owen: I only had 2 conversations with her.
(1:34:38 AM) spies8stephanie: i didn't have that many
(1:34:45 AM) spies8owen: First one) she uses like 8 smiley faces within 5 minutes of conversation.
(1:35:12 AM) spies8stephanie: but i kept looking through tehm hoping to find something incriminating
(1:35:15 AM) spies8owen: Second one) She revises her story and doesn't think I'm a possible busser anymore
(1:36:11 AM) spies8stephanie: it's not right that she was cit
(1:36:29 AM) spies8stephanie: and it's not right that dane is looking so cit
(1:36:31 AM) spies8owen: I got more of the incrimiating things (in my opinion, at least) from the chats & Burg
(1:36:49 AM) spies8owen: she really didn't open up to me in IM.
(1:36:50 AM) spies8stephanie: i did too
(1:37:11 AM) spies8stephanie: but i kept thinking i should be able to find something on my own
(1:37:46 AM) spies8stephanie: gabriel was the one who first alerted to me his suspicions of her
(1:37:53 AM) spies8owen: Same.
(1:38:09 AM) spies8stephanie: we were talking about her suspects: zeke, gabe, dane
(1:38:36 AM) spies8stephanie: and i thought that eveyone was suspcious of zeke
(1:39:00 AM) spies8stephanie: but that she had gotten her gabe and dane suspicions from me
(1:39:13 AM) spies8stephanie: hence the suspect mining comment
(1:39:27 AM) spies8owen: I still think she did do that.
(1:39:42 AM) spies8owen: Because when I talked to her the other night all she had was Themba and Zed.
(1:39:51 AM) spies8owen: And then last night she added like 3 more people to it.
(1:40:04 AM) spies8owen: It seemed like the people she added were based on others suspicions.
(1:41:16 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah which is why i thought she was linked to jenny
(1:41:37 AM) spies8stephanie: cause she really didn't seem to let go of zeke
(1:41:45 AM) spies8stephanie: and jenny didn't either
(1:44:18 AM) spies8owen: Jenny did some defending of Sav to me.
(1:44:22 AM) spies8owen: Sav never defended Jenny, though.
(1:44:54 AM) spies8stephanie: yeah i think the link was more in my head than in fact
(1:45:13 AM) spies8owen: Nah, I've felt they were linked.
(1:45:19 AM) spies8owen: Maybe not anymore.
(1:45:48 AM) spies8owen: Or maybe Jenny was trying to buddy up to Sav and it failed.
(1:46:00 AM) spies8owen: Who knows? :/
(1:46:15 AM) spies8stephanie: yep who knows?
(1:46:31 AM) spies8stephanie: jenny seems really smart
(1:46:40 AM) spies8stephanie: not so sure about sav
(1:48:36 AM) spies8stephanie: i see allan online, are you talking to him?
(1:49:42 AM) spies8owen: Yep.
(1:49:51 AM) spies8owen: I questioned why he would claim to Jenny so early.
(1:49:59 AM) spies8stephanie: ok
(1:50:05 AM) spies8owen: (2:49:10 AM) spies8allan: she shared well with me
(2:49:16 AM) spies8allan: maybe we just connected well
(2:49:29 AM) spies8allan: quite frankly she was the only person i liked round 1
(1:50:09 AM) spies8stephanie: me too
(1:50:27 AM) spies8stephanie: but he didn't respond to me yet
(1:50:38 AM) spies8stephanie: just wondering what he was doing
(1:50:45 AM) spies8stephanie: good to knwo
(1:50:49 AM) spies8owen: (2:50:25 AM) spies8allan: so yea, i strongly feel jenny and nita are clear
(1:50:57 AM) spies8owen: Heh. Jenny is clear?
(1:50:58 AM) spies8owen: Scary.
(1:54:38 AM) spies8stephanie: not good with me
(1:54:46 AM) spies8stephanie: i tell him not to lie
(1:55:02 AM) spies8stephanie: and he tells me
(1:55:21 AM) spies8stephanie: (1:52:42 AM) spies8allan: better to trust the liar thats honest about it than the person that encurages me to hide my lies
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(1:55:40 AM) spies8stephanie: and then
(1:55:54 AM) spies8stephanie: (1:54:53 AM) spies8allan: i don't want to talk to u about it i don't think anymore
(1:57:17 AM) spies8owen: He's showing me the convo too. >_>
(1:57:48 AM) spies8stephanie: ack
(1:57:52 AM) spies8owen: He'll probably hate me soon too.
(1:58:00 AM) spies8stephanie: wtf?
(1:58:17 AM) spies8stephanie: i can understand dane calling me a bitch
(1:58:33 AM) spies8owen: (2:57:48 AM) spies8allan: well this next vote i gotta look at steph or gabe
(2:57:58 AM) spies8allan: gabe because he was the one to convince me to vote for savannah
(1:58:33 AM) spies8owen: LOL
(1:58:34 AM) spies8stephanie: but i was supporting this guy last night
(1:58:38 AM) spies8owen: Wrong team, buddy.
(1:59:25 AM) spies8owen: He seems like the type to "hate" irrationally.
(1:59:28 AM) spies8owen: I don't hate any of you.
(1:59:36 AM) spies8owen: I have disagreements, but hate? No.
(1:59:39 AM) spies8stephanie: (1:56:13 AM) spies8stephanie: want to tell me why?
(1:56:45 AM) spies8allan: cuz i think you come off as a bitch
(2:01:04 AM) spies8stephanie: gees louise
(2:02:27 AM) spies8owen: You're not a bitch to me. Just a bit crazy
(2:02:49 AM) spies8stephanie: yea and maybe i am a bitch
(2:02:58 AM) spies8stephanie: but at least dane talks to me
(2:03:59 AM) spies8stephanie: and allan is ogne?
(2:04:02 AM) spies8stephanie: gone?
(2:04:13 AM) spies8stephanie: i should learn to type
(2:04:39 AM) spies8stephanie: (1:57:22 AM) spies8allan: and now u got me mad, so we'll talk some other time when its not gonna be a heated discussion
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(2:04:55 AM) spies8owen: Yep -- he's ogne and gone.
(2:04:56 AM) spies8stephanie: gees i had a 3 second conversation with him
(2:05:10 AM) spies8owen: I can't beileve how bitchy you were to him!
(2:05:10 AM) spies8owen:
(2:05:20 AM) spies8stephanie: i was
(2:05:26 AM) spies8stephanie: i told him not to lie
(2:05:47 AM) spies8owen: I told him the same thing.
(2:05:51 AM) spies8owen: Guess I'm a bitch too.
(2:05:55 AM) spies8stephanie: and he told me not to be an ass
(2:05:59 AM) spies8stephanie: and i agreed
(2:06:06 AM) spies8stephanie: don't be an ass
(2:06:24 AM) spies8stephanie: but i am the bitch
(2:06:59 AM) spies8stephanie: odd
(2:06:59 AM) spies8owen: Guess you're both.
(2:07:27 AM) spies8stephanie: because my other conversations with him have been reasonable
(2:07:32 AM) spies8owen: Maybe he just doesn't understand Jersey folk.
(2:08:14 AM) spies8stephanie: i was defending him last night for godsake
(2:08:25 AM) spies8owen: That's terrible. How bitchy.
(2:08:37 AM) spies8stephanie: savannah was poking fun at me for defending him
(2:09:04 AM) spies8stephanie: another reason for suspecting her btw
(2:09:05 AM) spies8owen: Like I said, he seems like an irrational hate kinda guy.
(2:09:20 AM) spies8stephanie: lol
(2:09:23 AM) spies8owen: He said he hated everyone but Jenny day 1.
(2:09:42 AM) spies8owen: ...I didn't do anything to deserve hatred. I was actually nice to him.
(2:10:05 AM) spies8stephanie: i actually said in my confessional that i have a picture of him in my head as some old fart geezer
(2:10:37 AM) spies8stephanie: his picture is so young, but i have a totally different picuter in my head
(2:10:54 AM) spies8owen: My guess is that he's into harder drugs than pot.
(2:11:02 AM) spies8owen: But I'm just speculating here.
(2:11:17 AM) spies8stephanie: hehe
(2:11:18 AM) spies8owen: Maybe he was going through withdrawls.
(2:12:01 AM) spies8owen: Well, I think I'm gonna head off. Gonna watch today's episode of BBUK and head to sleep.
(2:12:10 AM) spies8stephanie: bbuk?
(2:12:18 AM) spies8owen: Big Brother UK.
(2:12:29 AM) spies8stephanie: ack!
(2:12:31 AM) spies8owen: Sam has forced me into watching
(2:12:41 AM) spies8stephanie: ok good luck with it
(2:12:56 AM) spies8stephanie: more survivor type stuff
(2:13:09 AM) spies8stephanie: good night, sweet dreams
(2:13:18 AM) spies8owen: You too.
Claimed? Was she something important?