Epsiode 4 Conversations

[Tina]

spies8cinnamyn (7:26:46 PM): besidez playin' defensively n' uzin lotz of words dat dont really mean nothin' 2 explain hiz vote, have u found n e thing suspishis bout izaac.?
spies8cinnamyn (7:26:51 PM): a lot of it seemz 2 b pplz gutz
spies8tina (7:27:29 PM): I was talking about what his intial suspicions were when he joined our side as a reason to vote him and he completely flipped out at me.
spies8cinnamyn (7:27:45 PM): did he end up givin' dem.?
spies8tina (7:27:46 PM): Keep saying I am twisitng his words.
spies8tina (7:28:20 PM): spies8isaac (2:20:23 PM): Thats just it, figuring out a top 3 at the moment is what I'm working on. There were some compelling arguments against Themba but it's a lot of reading I still need to do to fully decide and the Lawrence argument is probably the strongest one at the moment. He was definitely a bit suspicious over on the dems side too. But for a third I'm still looking
spies8tina (7:28:26 PM): That was one of his first suspicion posts.
spies8tina (7:28:39 PM): Appeared to be leaning the third as Brod at that time.
spies8cinnamyn (7:29:01 PM): i wonder y he didnt menshin jasmine if he thot she needed luking in 2
spies8tina (7:29:20 PM): I know, he tried to argue it a bit.
spies8tina (7:29:42 PM): But here is the thing, if you actually read my whole post of her you would see that I posted it so others could be aware and we could keep an eye on the behavior, not so I could claim her a spy. No I haven't forgotten those actions, and I don't want others to either which is the reason the post was made. It almost sounds like you'd be less suspicious of me if I came out and accussed her of being a spy.
spies8tina (7:30:01 PM): Apparently his entire post on Jasmine had nothing to do with him thinking she was a spy.
spies8cinnamyn (7:30:09 PM): yea lyke i believe dat
spies8tina (7:30:15 PM): Just that he "wanted to keep an eye on her"
spies8tina (7:31:11 PM): He also had his wierd tangent where he carfully explained how he would have voted Chance over Claude if Chance was not immune from E2 and he lurked as much as he did.
spies8cinnamyn (7:31:38 PM): well chance wuz immune so i dont c how datz really relevant, lmbo
spies8tina (7:31:59 PM): Yeah I know, it took me about half of that 30 minute talk to figure out what he was talking about.
spies8cinnamyn (7:32:18 PM): so he did end up votin' claude, he must think they both spiez.?
spies8tina (7:32:29 PM): No he thinks just one of them is a spy.
spies8tina (7:32:47 PM): Apparently if Chance lurked while not immune it was a big enough tell though.
spies8cinnamyn (7:33:09 PM): chance haznt lurked while not immune.?
spies8cinnamyn (7:33:24 PM): he kinda did wen he wuz, but he also new hiz vote wuz bein' taken away
spies8cinnamyn (7:33:31 PM): n' he still posted a pritty big case on claude
spies8tina (7:34:41 PM):
spies8isaac (9:23:49 PM): Had chance been able to be exiled on day 2 and he remained quite or with the wierd 180 attitude all day then yes, Chance would have gotten the vote

spies8tina (7:34:44 PM): There we go.
spies8cinnamyn (7:35:05 PM): datz jus' stupid
spies8tina (7:35:11 PM): And confusing.
spies8cinnamyn (7:35:26 PM): "if" sum1 did sumthing suspishis, i "wud" have voted them
spies8cinnamyn (7:35:27 PM): well no shit
spies8tina (7:35:53 PM): I know, think that moving off him onto Themba was a bad move in hindsight.
spies8tina (7:36:20 PM): His actions around Jasmine just do not add up too well to me.
spies8tina (7:37:00 PM): Especially how he made that big post to "keep an eye on her incase he was imprisoned" and then thought she was not in a top three, and then got his vote or something.
spies8tina (7:37:09 PM): Guy does not make sense.
spies8cinnamyn (7:37:45 PM): i want 2 c a definite suspishin frum him, not overworded n' not about wut he wud do if sum1 did sumthin'.
spies8cinnamyn (7:37:49 PM): cuz i dont c nothin
spies8tina (7:37:59 PM): Actually, wait.
spies8tina (7:38:04 PM): Why didn't he vote Magalie?
spies8cinnamyn (7:38:13 PM): exile 2.?
spies8tina (7:38:19 PM): Yesterday.
spies8tina (7:38:22 PM):
spies8tina (2:59:14 PM): Magalie. Almost for sure at this point.
spies8tina (2:59:36 PM): Seems to be a useless, abrassive and slightly scummy case going.
spies8isaac (2:59:57 PM): For good reasons too, it's just odd though with all the leads they already had and Zed telling me your guys strongest leads went there too.

spies8tina (7:38:45 PM): When you compare that to his Themba thoughts.....
spies8cinnamyn (7:39:09 PM): i dont even get wut he iz sayin' there
spies8tina (7:39:12 PM): The most interesting thing about this is I actually talked to you in group chat about Themba and your answers at the time were the reason I found her actions in question suspect. But come to find out after talking with Themba you were wrong or misinformed and Themba cleared that up for me.
spies8tina (7:39:26 PM): He seemed to be acting like Themba was a cit, and he was slightly suspect of Magalie.
spies8cinnamyn (7:39:35 PM): ok
spies8tina (7:39:48 PM): Yet he votes Themba.
spies8tina (7:40:12 PM): I was not around for exile untill very end, was there much discussion over who was going?
spies8cinnamyn (7:40:19 PM): not really 2 b honest
spies8tina (7:40:25 PM): Hmmm.
spies8cinnamyn (7:40:36 PM): i had no idea who errybody wuz votin till da results came
spies8tina (7:40:43 PM): I will have to ask why he went with Themba. He was acting like she was cit to me.
spies8tina (7:41:05 PM): Seemed to at very least not like, if not think Magalie was spyish.
spies8tina (7:41:22 PM): His vote seems to be in the wrong place.
spies8cinnamyn (7:41:49 PM): i guess themba wuz his second choice 4 exile on yallz side
spies8tina (7:42:00 PM): I will call bs on that.
spies8cinnamyn (7:42:27 PM): who do u think it wud have been.?
spies8cinnamyn (7:42:34 PM): it wuz themba n' jazmine in his vote post
spies8tina (7:42:45 PM): I just have a hard time believeing Themba was high up there for him.
spies8tina (7:43:02 PM): He seemed to continually act like I was the worst person in the world for giving him "bad information" about her.
spies8cinnamyn (7:44:01 PM): do u mind if i switch gears witchu
spies8tina (7:44:07 PM): Ok.
spies8cinnamyn (7:44:15 PM): im wondrin' how u feel bout jenny
spies8tina (7:44:59 PM): She is a continual outside pick for me.
spies8tina (7:45:07 PM): On a list she would be either third or fourth.
spies8tina (7:45:27 PM): The one thing that keeps making me feel odd is how little she did to not have Alexei get exiled.
spies8tina (7:45:58 PM): She did not do much to put up anyone else, and did not do too much to stop the case on him.
spies8tina (7:46:19 PM): Although she was not too receptive of what I was saying early.
spies8cinnamyn (7:46:40 PM): she did da same wit' allan. she thot he wuz a cit, savannah wuz a cit, themba wuz a cit, but didnt do nothin bout it
spies8cinnamyn (7:46:47 PM): exile 2
spies8tina (7:46:49 PM): She does not do much.
spies8tina (7:47:02 PM): To push anyone or protect anyone.
spies8cinnamyn (7:47:20 PM): claimin' 4 allan shud have ben a las' resort
spies8tina (7:47:28 PM): That was a very bad claim.
spies8tina (7:47:39 PM): He was in no realistic danger.
spies8cinnamyn (7:48:18 PM): nope. she dropped da ball
spies8cinnamyn (7:48:23 PM): but allan iz hardcore on thinkin' she cit
spies8cinnamyn (7:48:26 PM): which weirdz me out
spies8tina (7:48:40 PM): He apparently claimed to her on day one or something.
spies8cinnamyn (7:50:03 PM): so he jus' dont wanna b wrong, if he a cit
spies8cinnamyn (7:50:07 PM): but he aint even proved hiz role yet, soooooo
spies8cinnamyn (7:50:24 PM): i aint about 2 give him a pass
spies8tina (7:50:53 PM): I am surprised Claude did not prove it yet.
spies8tina (7:51:01 PM): Seems the logical thing to do.
spies8cinnamyn (7:51:07 PM): well, claude only worryz bout claude
spies8tina (7:51:20 PM): Even though I doubt that Allan would lie about something proveable.
spies8tina (7:51:40 PM): At least it proves that Allan and Claude cannot both be spies.
spies8cinnamyn (7:52:03 PM): im tryin' 2 find a post where jenny namez 4 people she think r "least cit"
spies8cinnamyn (7:52:13 PM): den namez off errybody else n' pritty much say she think dey all citz
spies8cinnamyn (7:52:16 PM): i jus' saw it
spies8cinnamyn (7:52:24 PM): or not a post, chat transcript
spies8cinnamyn (7:52:37 PM): it wuz real weird 2 me
spies8cinnamyn (7:53:28 PM): ah.! got it
spies8cinnamyn (7:53:38 PM): [17:46] spies8jenny: Sorry, was talking to Lucky. I just finished up with updating my board game notes, so looking at that, I'd say the people I'm least sure on being a cit are Maggie, Claude, Zeddy, and Stephi.
[17:48] spies8mary: Themba, Tina, Owen, Allan, Nita, Rondak, Hambone, me, Gertrude, Chance, Cory, Cinnamyn, all on your Cit list?
[17:49] spies8jenny: Yes, Yes, in between but leaning cit, Yes, Yes, In between but leaning spy, Yes, Yes, Don't know yet, Don't know yet, In between leaning cit, Yes.
spies8tina (7:54:53 PM): And I thought I liked using cit reads.
spies8tina (7:56:08 PM): Do you know what happens on a tiebreaker if the votes remained tied after a revote?
spies8cinnamyn (7:56:27 PM): nope, i aksed sam bout it n' he jus' sed it wud b a revote
spies8tina (7:56:49 PM): Wondering given Claudes role.
spies8tina (7:57:04 PM): It has the ability to force a situation where spy can not be exiled.
spies8cinnamyn (7:57:19 PM): how.?
spies8tina (7:57:32 PM): Lets say five left with claude and another spy.
spies8tina (7:57:38 PM): He nullifies citizen A vote.
spies8tina (7:57:48 PM): Spies vote together, spy can not be exiled.
spies8tina (7:57:53 PM): Vote ties 2-2.
spies8tina (7:58:10 PM): Or forces cit to not be able to vote him or his partner.
spies8cinnamyn (7:58:28 PM): dat wud b worse
spies8tina (7:58:28 PM): If cits know what is going on, vote will tie, but spy can not go.
spies8cinnamyn (7:58:41 PM): i think dey mite b more 2 claudez role
spies8tina (7:58:58 PM): Possibly.
spies8tina (7:59:16 PM): I just am wondering about ties because of that.
spies8cinnamyn (8:01:25 PM): ok tina my grlfrenz iz here so imma go out 4 da nite, ill talk to u l8r
spies8tina (8:01:41 PM): Ok. I might be hard to catch untill tuesday, but should be around late.
spies8cinnamyn (8:01:52 PM): aight peaches, have a gud nite

[Tina]

spies8tina (9:25:13 PM): Hello.
spies8gertrude (9:28:40 PM): Hey there, Tina! Sorry, I wasn't on the computer for a bit.
spies8gertrude (9:28:43 PM): How are you?
spies8tina (9:28:57 PM): Decent, conflicted but decent.
spies8gertrude (9:29:08 PM): Conflicted?
spies8tina (9:29:16 PM): What did you get out of Isaac-Jasmine-Law when they were dems with you?
spies8gertrude (9:29:27 PM): Hm.
spies8tina (9:29:35 PM): Those three give me a headache.
spies8gertrude (9:30:41 PM): I personally didn't like Isaac. During one of the first chats, where Camilla and Chance were going at it with Claude, Isaac would have one biting thing to say to Claude every five minutes or so, and it was really odd and unnecessary.
spies8gertrude (9:31:43 PM): Lawrence was hardly ever around. He apparently does his homework, though, with his suspicion threads.
spies8gertrude (9:32:12 PM): And Jasmine, at first, seemed to piggyback on everything Cinnamyn said. That quickly faded though, as she and Chance had some sort of falling out.
spies8gertrude (9:32:23 PM): From then on it was just petty attacks at each other.
spies8tina (9:32:49 PM): Did anything ever happen between Chance and Isaac?
spies8tina (9:32:57 PM): That was an odd relationship from what I found.
spies8gertrude (9:33:08 PM): Not... that I know of?
spies8tina (9:33:37 PM): Ok. I just had a conversation with Isaac where he said if Chance lurked the way he did E2 and was not immune it would have been enough to get him his vote over Claude.
spies8tina (9:34:00 PM): Was Isaac a big "lynch all lurkers" proponent?
spies8gertrude (9:35:18 PM): Again, not that I can remember. He wasn't really a factor for much of the time
spies8tina (9:37:01 PM): So who do you really suspect at this point? It seems you have little opinion on the dems that left.
spies8gertrude (9:38:00 PM): That's a good question.
spies8gertrude (9:39:02 PM): But also I'd disagree.
spies8gertrude (9:39:43 PM): I do have an opinion on at least Isaac.
spies8tina (9:40:04 PM): Which is?
spies8gertrude (9:40:27 PM): The answer to your question. I suspect him. I suspected him back then, and I suspect him now.
spies8gertrude (9:40:37 PM): One second, addressing Broderick really quickly.
spies8gertrude (9:42:35 PM): Okay, so maybe that satisfied him.
spies8gertrude (9:42:47 PM): I also suspect Rondak
spies8gertrude (9:43:01 PM): And maybe Jenny.
spies8tina (9:43:22 PM): When did you become suspect of Isaac? I do not see that from you anywhere.
spies8gertrude (9:43:44 PM): Yes, I do have a problem with that.
spies8gertrude (9:43:58 PM): I didn't do a good job voicing my thoughts for a while
spies8gertrude (9:44:23 PM): However, in group chats and one-on-one, I began to slip in questions concerning Isaac and a few other people.
spies8tina (9:44:32 PM): Well what are your points on him. Key bullet ones.
spies8gertrude (9:50:27 PM): I don't have any. I know other people do, but I'm not going to forge their thoughts. My main thing is that his actions in Episode 1 were bizarre, unnecessary, and scummy to me.
spies8tina (9:50:44 PM): Any "this general type of thing" at least?
spies8gertrude (9:53:10 PM): General bandwagoning (not during votes, but chats), generally odd behavior, and generally defensive stances
spies8tina (9:53:33 PM): Heh. Nice "generals".
spies8gertrude (9:53:51 PM): Thank you. I put a lot of thought into them.
spies8tina (9:54:41 PM): He is one of my questions. I think he can easily be spy at this point, and if he was it would start making people that used be be unkown prob-cit.
spies8gertrude (9:54:56 PM): Like who?
spies8tina (9:55:09 PM): Lawrence and Jasmine become super likely citizen.
spies8tina (9:55:13 PM): Same with Claude.
spies8gertrude (9:55:27 PM): Interesting. Why is that?
spies8tina (9:55:44 PM): Jasmine and Claude obvious yes?
spies8gertrude (9:55:45 PM): And, if I may ask, where am I on the spectrum?
spies8tina (9:55:56 PM): What spectrum?
spies8gertrude (9:56:00 PM): Well, not necessarily.
spies8gertrude (9:56:09 PM): Of Cit to Spy.
spies8tina (9:56:34 PM): Pretty neutral. No one on new-reps talked about you.
spies8tina (9:56:44 PM): I just have past votes to go off of.
spies8gertrude (9:57:46 PM): Mm.
spies8gertrude (9:57:53 PM): In my mind, that makes me suspect.
spies8gertrude (9:58:59 PM): Plus I'm Immune from Exile.
spies8tina (10:02:47 PM): Being immune means very little. Someone who thinks it is is foolish.
spies8gertrude (10:03:43 PM): I should quote you on that.
spies8tina (10:04:11 PM): Well, it is what Jenny called WFIOM.
spies8gertrude (10:04:19 PM): Close enough,
spies8gertrude (10:04:22 PM): WIFOM*
spies8tina (10:04:34 PM): It can be done to frame a cit.
spies8tina (10:05:02 PM): I can see a cit doing it to someone who they think is outside chance of being exiled they have a cit read on.
spies8tina (10:25:26 PM): Anyway, was that a drawn out way of saying you are nomming Isaac?
spies8gertrude (10:25:43 PM): I honestly haven't decided.
spies8tina (10:25:57 PM): Well, your temporary vote at least.
spies8gertrude (10:26:03 PM): Yes.
spies8tina (10:26:11 PM): Who else are you considering?
spies8gertrude (10:26:25 PM): It depends on what Claude does with his role
spies8tina (10:27:04 PM): What if Claude targets non-Owen, which I think is what is happening.
spies8tina (10:27:15 PM): I think I heard someone say he was targeting Allan afterall.
spies8tina (10:27:22 PM): Need to look back through logs though.
spies8gertrude (10:27:24 PM): Then I won't have any current qualms with Claude.
spies8tina (10:27:34 PM): So anyone apart from Claude?
spies8gertrude (10:28:17 PM): Sure. I could see myself nominating Magalie again, Jenny, or Rondak.
spies8tina (10:29:12 PM): Isaac is your top pick though?
spies8tina (10:29:20 PM): More or less in the order you said them?
spies8gertrude (10:29:21 PM): Yes ma'am.
spies8gertrude (10:29:36 PM): Um..
spies8gertrude (10:29:45 PM): I'm not sure about the second bit.
spies8gertrude (10:30:04 PM): But I don't know. So, sure, let's go with that.
spies8tina (10:30:12 PM): Heh.
spies8tina (10:30:31 PM): During second vote you said you were somewhat suspect of Isaac?
spies8gertrude (10:31:04 PM): I'm sorry, is that a question or a statement?
spies8tina (10:31:26 PM): Statement I am checking if its true.
spies8gertrude (10:32:23 PM): Yes, then.
spies8tina (10:33:09 PM): Were you discussing it with others then? I just am wondering what was going on with him this whole time.
spies8tina (10:33:39 PM): I saw a small wagon show up on him E2, then he came over to reps, at one point appeared to be vote leader, then only got one vote.
spies8tina (10:33:58 PM): Trying to figure out what the main points on him were.
spies8tina (10:34:06 PM): Jasmine isn't much help, linking to logs is not a case.
spies8tina (10:34:20 PM): Her and Isaac need to learn that.

[Tina]

spies8lilith (10:25:13 PM): Wow.
spies8lilith (10:25:50 PM): Once again, I can not use the chat room.
spies8tina (10:26:05 PM): That happened to me at one point earlier in the week.
spies8lilith (10:26:41 PM): I feel like it always happens sometime during this time (slightly after 1 am).
spies8lilith (10:26:59 PM): I am kind of mad too because I wanted to talk with the group considering I haven't been on in awhile.
spies8tina (10:27:26 PM): Are you using AIM or something else.
spies8lilith (10:28:16 PM): AIM
spies8lilith (10:28:25 PM): Oh, I can download one of those other programs?
spies8tina (10:28:43 PM): Probably. I use AIM myself though.
spies8lilith (10:29:15 PM): Can you do me a huge favor and tell everyone in the chat I will be back shortly once I fix a problem, and testify that I have had this problem several times before, at around this same time.
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spies8tina (10:35:43 PM): Did a little looking online, one suggestion seems to be using older AIM version.
spies8lilith (10:36:01 PM): I am on Pidgin and it's still not working.
spies8lilith (10:36:35 PM): Which makes me think it's a possible setting on the screen name, or maybe my computer firewall somehow?
spies8tina (10:37:03 PM): I am not good enough with computers to help there.
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spies8lilith (10:43:47 PM): Is it agains't the rules to create a second AIM name for the game and use it to chat with?
spies8tina (10:44:08 PM): I do not know the answer to that, but I would definantly ask Sam because I think it is a no.
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spies8lilith (10:58:05 PM): I am reading up, and I think either Sam or the old Lilith had a Parental Control setting on that is restricting me from being in chats after 12:24am.
spies8tina (10:58:23 PM): Heh.
spies8tina (11:50:45 PM): Hey, I am talking with Owen right now. Also Hambone is freaking out about what you posted in the voting thread makes you the obvious doctor to me for some reason and wants you to change it. If he sees this there is a small chance that someone else might think the same thing and screw with a plan.
spies8tina (11:51:03 PM): I do not see it at all, but apparently he does even after explaining.
spies8lilith (11:51:35 PM): I am actually kinda fine with people thinking I am the doctor and imprisoning me for it. It saves the real doctor, and you, and other potential power roles from being imprisoned, doesn't it?
spies8tina (11:51:58 PM): Well, if we make it so only one person thinks that, your imprisonment would be more of a tell.
spies8lilith (11:52:05 PM): This is true.
spies8tina (11:52:30 PM): I was talking with Owen earlier about someone intentionally "slipping" that someone who had no chance of being imprisoned was the doctor.
spies8tina (11:53:24 PM): He just sees that as you claiming doctor and is going on and on about it to me right now.
spies8tina (11:53:39 PM): For some reason he is afraid to talk with you.
spies8lilith (11:53:48 PM): Should I message him?
spies8lilith (11:54:00 PM): I actually am not going to say I am not the doctor to him if I do though, which might worry him more.
spies8lilith (11:54:22 PM): I want there to be a mystery about whether I am a doctor . I don't want to narrow down the doctor options.
spies8tina (11:54:22 PM): You can say that, but it will scare him more. I think the only way to stop this is editing it a bit.
spies8lilith (11:59:54 PM): I'm going to copy and paste what I just said to Owen, just explaining why I am half-fine with being imprisoned if I do get imprisoned/why I keep going back in forth in my head about sacrificing myself... lol.
spies8tina (11:59:55 PM): I think changing "I know" to "im pretty sure" will do it for him.
spies8lilith (11:59:57 PM): Unless he already told you?
Tuesday, July 06, 2010
spies8tina (12:00:05 AM): He told me.
spies8tina (12:00:17 AM): I came up with a similar idea four hours ago or so.
spies8lilith (12:00:58 AM): It was like 3 paragraphs, a summary might miscontry it. I want to play the game, it's lots of fun. It boils down to I am afraid that the time commitment involved with analyzing everyone how I'd want to would interfere with my schedule and cause potential problems in real life.
spies8lilith (12:01:20 AM): OOoo, you're talking about thte doctor idea. I was referring to why I wanted to be the sacrifice, LOL.
spies8tina (12:03:26 AM): He still is saying you should change "I know" to "I think".
spies8lilith (12:03:52 AM): I think changing it will make me look even more like the doctor... LOL.
spies8lilith (12:03:56 AM): Just saying...
spies8lilith (12:06:13 AM): What do you think?
spies8lilith (12:06:25 AM): Can I tell Hambone you told me this? Or just change it?
spies8tina (12:06:33 AM): You can talk to him.
spies8tina (12:06:41 AM): He wants to talk with you but is afraid it seems.
spies8lilith (12:07:20 AM): He is talking, just not abotu that yet, lol.
spies8tina (12:07:29 AM): Alright.
spies8tina (12:07:35 AM): I do not like being in the middle.
spies8lilith (12:08:31 AM): O
spies8lilith (12:08:35 AM): Hambone thinks i am the doctor.
spies8tina (12:08:45 AM): Yep.
spies8tina (12:09:03 AM): I spent the last 15 minutes trying to convince him you probably were not, but couldn't do it.
spies8lilith (12:10:07 AM): I just had a really good idea, LOL.
spies8tina (12:10:18 AM): Oh?
spies8lilith (12:10:42 AM): Let everyone think I am the doctor. Hope the doctor saves me. We got one on the spies, LOL.
spies8tina (12:11:03 AM): Could work. I think there are better ideas.
spies8lilith (12:11:53 AM): Ok, better ideas are better. XD
spies8tina (12:12:22 AM): Well, until all this happened I think "accidently" slipping to someone that you were the doc worked better.
spies8lilith (12:14:03 AM): How should I slip? Or to who?
spies8tina (12:14:26 AM): Not sure if it is the best anymore since at least one person is convinced you are the doctor.
spies8tina (12:14:34 AM): Maybe it would.
spies8tina (12:14:50 AM): You becoming immune because you were "the doctor" would have worked well.
spies8lilith (12:15:02 AM): Or just let people think I am the doctor. If I die, I die. Good news being I wasn't the doctor?
spies8tina (12:15:20 AM): I am thinking do nothing more on the matter is the best.
spies8tina (12:15:51 AM): Not sure what your imprisonment chances are. There are a few others apart from me who have thought you are probably cit for a while.
spies8lilith (12:16:53 AM): omg
spies8lilith (12:18:22 AM): I think my modifying abilities are screwd up... heh.
spies8lilith (12:18:46 AM): I modified my first, it worked fine
spies8tina (12:18:50 AM): I saw that, you made yourself look even more odd.
spies8lilith (12:18:53 AM): But everytime I modifify the second post, it reposts it.
spies8lilith (12:19:56 AM): Jenny keeps pointing it out, lol.
spies8lilith (12:20:17 AM): I think having the QUOTE in the second one, made it report, I just deleted the quote alltogether and it let me edit it.
spies8tina (12:29:53 AM): Looks better now.
spies8lilith (12:30:18 AM): I'm thinking of voting for Jenny at this point. Or lawrence. Zed and Steph I currently do not think are mafia. Claude and Allan I am unsure of because of role claims. Isaac I am no longer confident in.
spies8lilith (12:30:25 AM): Did you scroll to the bottom of the page? ... LOL
spies8tina (12:30:47 AM): Right, you did a great job of accidently looking like doctor.
spies8lilith (12:31:08 AM): I do have a question about the Allan thing.
spies8lilith (12:31:25 AM): Do we know if Savaanah sent him the message EARLIER in the game as messenger?
spies8tina (12:33:16 AM): I think it was after her death, but am not sure.
spies8lilith (12:33:59 AM): I mean, did Sav say anything to anyone about using her abilitiy?
spies8tina (12:34:10 AM): Not that I know of.
spies8lilith (12:34:44 AM): When did Sav claim her role?
spies8tina (12:34:51 AM): After votes were due.
spies8lilith (12:35:26 AM): Oh, ok.
spies8lilith (12:35:31 AM): That answers that then.

[Tina]

spies8hambone (6:01:34 PM): hey
spies8tina (6:02:22 PM): Hello.
spies8hambone (6:03:01 PM): i dont think u should be puttin all that info out there
spies8tina (6:03:19 PM): What does that kind of thing hurt?
spies8hambone (6:03:30 PM): idk i just dont trust some ppl in the chat
spies8hambone (6:03:39 PM): and ppl know ur smart already
spies8hambone (6:03:43 PM): and now u look even smarter
spies8tina (6:03:54 PM): I do not either, but I am pretty sure none of those pairs can possibly be spies together.
spies8tina (6:04:03 PM): It should be something people consider.
spies8tina (6:04:14 PM): I notice quite a few have them as both suspects.
spies8tina (6:04:44 PM): I keep trying to hammer stuff into people, and most of the time they do not listen.
spies8hambone (6:04:48 PM): how do u figure some pairs dont work together
spies8hambone (6:04:53 PM): i see chance and claude
spies8hambone (6:04:55 PM): but like, others
spies8tina (6:05:22 PM): Brod has been getting into fights with Jas and Steph a whole lot, way to much for them to probably be spies together.
spies8tina (6:05:34 PM): Isaac and Claude are out for eachother.
spies8tina (6:05:44 PM): Same with Isaac-Jas.
spies8tina (6:05:59 PM): Steph latched onto Law, and had Jenny on her hard.
spies8tina (6:06:15 PM): Isaac-Law had some odd interactions to start last exile on rep-side.
spies8hambone (6:06:26 PM): ok i gotchu
spies8hambone (6:06:36 PM): ppl got mad at me earlier for somethin i said
spies8tina (6:06:44 PM): I almost just want to pull everything in a new direction at this point.
spies8tina (6:06:50 PM): Gut is just crazy on Brod-Spy.
spies8hambone (6:06:51 PM): yeah i agree
spies8hambone (6:06:57 PM): GUT
spies8tina (6:07:25 PM): Problem with Isaac, Jas, Claude is the usefulness of alignments is in opposite order of what I think of them.
spies8hambone (6:07:46 PM): yeah
spies8tina (6:07:49 PM): Even though I am not too sure on either at this point.
spies8hambone (6:07:58 PM): also i dont wanna go after claude if hes actually citizen cuz of his role
spies8hambone (6:08:05 PM): but right now hes my #2 suspect
spies8hambone (6:08:11 PM): i srsly dont think his role is cit
spies8hambone (6:08:17 PM): i think he used it to save him
spies8hambone (6:08:19 PM): thats it
spies8tina (6:08:33 PM): My only hesitation I have over it is that I can see it being unbeatable in late game.
spies8tina (6:08:51 PM): Almost to the point were spy win is forced.
spies8hambone (6:09:05 PM): mhm
spies8tina (6:09:24 PM): I know that is not the best reason to write him off as a cit, but I think it is strong.
spies8hambone (6:12:07 PM): ya
spies8hambone (6:12:15 PM): to u Nita was always a citizen?
spies8tina (6:12:24 PM): Yes.
spies8hambone (6:12:32 PM): she never say nothin about being 3rd party?
spies8tina (6:12:48 PM): Not to me. It sounds like she told suspects in hopes that spies would not imprison her.
spies8hambone (6:14:35 PM): yeah she did
spies8hambone (6:14:46 PM): suspect, not suspectS
spies8hambone (6:14:48 PM): she only told jenny right
spies8tina (6:15:05 PM): I thought someone mentioned she told Rondak too. Am not sure on that though.
spies8hambone (6:15:56 PM): she didnt
spies8hambone (6:16:01 PM): she said jenny and rondak she trusted most
spies8hambone (6:16:06 PM): but she not think rondak was spy
spies8hambone (6:16:11 PM): so she only tell jenn
spies8tina (6:16:18 PM): Ok.
spies8hambone (6:16:29 PM): can u explain the case on isaac to me
spies8hambone (6:16:34 PM): i cant say ive delved into it
spies8hambone (6:16:39 PM): cuz ive literally not met him
spies8tina (6:16:57 PM): I am not too sure on him anyone, but for me it was his suspicions being pretty off.
spies8tina (6:17:17 PM): He made a big post on Jas before swap, and then came in talking about people that were not Jas.
spies8hambone (6:17:55 PM): oh
spies8hambone (6:18:06 PM): yea i guess thats weird
spies8hambone (6:18:11 PM): i came in with jenny to the new team
spies8hambone (6:18:13 PM): and stayed on her
spies8tina (6:18:40 PM): He did end up voting her though.
spies8hambone (6:19:04 PM): random
spies8hambone (6:26:49 PM): jasmine told me one of her top3 suspects was jenny
spies8hambone (6:26:58 PM): and since lately all i can do is talk about jenny since im obsessed
spies8hambone (6:27:01 PM): i wanted to know why
spies8hambone (6:27:10 PM): spies8jasmine: (9:12:58 PM) I find her suspcious
spies8jasmine: (9:13:04 PM) that she was the one nita thought was spy
spies8jasmine: (9:13:07 PM) enough for her to know about her
spies8jasmine: (9:13:10 PM) and then nita gets imprionsed
spies8jasmine: (9:13:18 PM) i think its something to look into
spies8jasmine: (9:13:20 PM) why do u think jenny?
spies8hambone (6:27:21 PM): -_____- thats VERY good reasoning jasmine!! -_-
spies8tina (6:27:34 PM): That is her standard reasoning it seems. Not great cases.
spies8hambone (6:27:38 PM): lol
spies8hambone (6:27:47 PM): why do u suspect jenny?
spies8hambone (6:27:52 PM): Oh, I find her suspicious!
spies8hambone (6:27:54 PM): OH THANKS!!!
spies8hambone (6:28:45 PM): i think it could easily be u or me to get imprisoned next
spies8tina (6:29:10 PM): Being imprisoned is just a way to say that you played a good game.
spies8tina (6:29:19 PM): So I would be happy-ish with that.
spies8tina (6:29:31 PM): Would prefer to not be imprisoned yet, but wouldn't suck too much.
spies8hambone (6:29:52 PM): i think we should do what Dane did
spies8hambone (6:29:56 PM): and make a post
spies8hambone (6:30:02 PM): tellin the doc to save us
spies8hambone (6:30:07 PM): so maybe they dont go after us
spies8tina (6:30:19 PM): I think doc would know who smart saves are.
spies8hambone (6:30:36 PM): yes but im lookin out for me and for who i think are cits
spies8hambone (6:30:47 PM): u know?
spies8hambone (6:31:02 PM): right now ur the most cit person i know
spies8hambone (6:31:13 PM): which is why i pretty much tell u everythin and anythin i know
spies8hambone (6:44:38 PM): OWWOOWowwowwowowo
spies8hambone (6:44:44 PM): i never thought much of his comment
spies8hambone (6:44:48 PM): but i never saw what he said after it
spies8hambone (6:44:56 PM): def. a HORRIBLE recovery
spies8tina (6:45:02 PM): Yeah that is part of my reason for wanting to throw a nom on him.
spies8hambone (6:45:15 PM): i agree
spies8hambone (6:45:16 PM): but
spies8hambone (6:45:22 PM): i dont wanna take my vote off jenny
spies8hambone (6:45:24 PM): like, ever
spies8tina (6:45:30 PM): Heh.
spies8tina (6:45:49 PM): I fully expect him to not get nommed, but I think it is a path that needs to be marked.
spies8tina (6:45:57 PM): A nom vote might do the trick.
spies8hambone (6:46:01 PM): yea
spies8tina (11:27:56 PM): For a quick rundown of what you missed:
spies8tina (11:28:01 PM): Doctor probably is not dead.
spies8hambone (11:28:01 PM): thank you
spies8hambone (11:28:16 PM): i thought allan said doc was gabe
spies8tina (11:28:24 PM): Allan got a message from someone claiming to be Savannah from beyond the grave which said Gabe was doctor.
spies8hambone (11:28:33 PM): wtf
spies8hambone (11:28:41 PM): she can do it from beyond the grave?
spies8tina (11:28:43 PM): Right, so that is concensus a spy messanger role.
spies8tina (11:29:07 PM): Especially since it made no sense to send, and she refers to herself as "Vannah".
spies8tina (11:29:29 PM): In 2500KB of republican chat log, the only person who uses the term Vannah is Gabe.
spies8tina (11:29:42 PM): It is all in the chat logs though.
spies8tina (11:29:47 PM): Best for you to just read it.
spies8hambone (11:29:55 PM): wow
spies8hambone (11:29:57 PM): hmm
spies8hambone (11:30:02 PM): ok
spies8hambone (11:30:04 PM): what if
spies8hambone (11:30:07 PM): its true
spies8hambone (11:30:17 PM): what if Gabe told Savnnah in the losers area
spies8hambone (11:30:27 PM): to send a message
spies8tina (11:30:30 PM): It seems like WAY to strong of a role to me.
spies8hambone (11:30:40 PM): to talk from beyond the grave?
spies8hambone (11:30:49 PM): but think about it
spies8tina (11:30:49 PM): It eventually becomes the words of lots of 100% guarenteed town players.
spies8hambone (11:30:59 PM): GARB was very good to us townies
spies8hambone (11:31:19 PM): what if he wanted to help by makin the spies think the doc was dead?
spies8hambone (11:31:23 PM): just puttin that out there
spies8hambone (11:31:25 PM): as a theory
spies8tina (11:31:35 PM): Again, I am not too sure this is really from Savanah.
spies8hambone (11:31:39 PM): yeah
spies8hambone (11:31:49 PM): i agree ur theory is better than mine
spies8hambone (11:31:52 PM): im just offering another
spies8tina (11:32:03 PM): It makes sense for a spies to be playing a gullible town player, especially one with a role, so will therefore have more information.
spies8hambone (11:32:04 PM): i think someone is playing Imposter
spies8tina (11:32:24 PM): If someone messes up information protection, it will be Allan.
spies8hambone (11:32:31 PM): yeah
spies8hambone (11:32:38 PM): Allan could very well be the Doc
spies8tina (11:32:42 PM): I doubt that.
spies8hambone (11:32:44 PM): the whole copycat thing
spies8hambone (11:32:46 PM): could be BS
spies8tina (11:32:51 PM): Copycat thing is proven.
spies8tina (11:32:58 PM): Allan copied the note to Owen.
spies8hambone (11:33:03 PM): what note
spies8tina (11:33:11 PM): The one he got from "Savannah"
spies8hambone (11:33:15 PM): huh
spies8tina (11:33:27 PM): So he used his ability already, that is a proven thing.
spies8hambone (11:33:34 PM): him having the dead message from savannah makes his role true?
spies8tina (11:33:50 PM): Him getting it and then passing it to Owen with his role does.
spies8hambone (11:33:56 PM): ohhh
spies8hambone (11:34:01 PM): so owen has the message now too
spies8hambone (11:34:02 PM): i see
spies8hambone (11:34:17 PM): okay
spies8hambone (11:34:20 PM): so why and how
spies8hambone (11:34:23 PM): would lillith know
spies8hambone (11:34:29 PM): who the doctor is or isnt -__-
spies8tina (11:34:45 PM): Dunno.
spies8tina (11:34:56 PM): This whole thing is confusing.
spies8hambone (11:34:57 PM): maybe its her
spies8tina (11:35:04 PM): Bad topic of conversation.
spies8hambone (11:35:06 PM): makes sense actually
spies8hambone (11:35:12 PM): shes randomly immune
spies8hambone (11:35:14 PM): its her
spies8tina (11:35:21 PM): BAD TOPIC OF CONVERSTATION.
spies8hambone (11:35:24 PM): OK
spies8hambone (11:35:27 PM): BUT i aint tellin ANYONE
spies8hambone (11:35:30 PM): just u and me!
spies8tina (11:35:40 PM): Although I did vote her, because she is a strong cit read.
spies8tina (11:35:47 PM): She is crazy, but a very strong cit read.
spies8hambone (11:35:54 PM): well
spies8hambone (11:36:02 PM): we gotta put some suspicion on her now =/
spies8hambone (11:36:12 PM): i can make a fake case on her
spies8hambone (11:36:14 PM): if u want
spies8tina (11:36:18 PM): I don't think she is a massive imprisonment target.
spies8hambone (11:36:19 PM): im not connected to any of this, so
spies8tina (11:36:38 PM): Random enough to make people who are common town reads and threats more important to hit.
spies8hambone (11:37:01 PM): yeah
spies8hambone (11:37:10 PM): i dont think she'd be imprisoned
spies8hambone (11:37:17 PM): unless people figured it out like i just did =P
spies8hambone (11:37:24 PM): which is possible
spies8hambone (11:37:36 PM): wow
spies8hambone (11:37:38 PM): shes dumb
spies8hambone (11:37:45 PM): why'd she openly say that allan is wrong
spies8hambone (11:37:47 PM): worst move ever
spies8hambone (11:37:58 PM): shes literally asking to die
spies8tina (11:38:33 PM): Well, until you hear the story in full Allan is lying.
spies8hambone (11:39:10 PM): what do u mean the story in full
spies8tina (11:39:58 PM): If you did not know Allan was told Gabe was the doctor by "Vannah", showing he isn't the doctor makes it look like Allan is lying.
spies8hambone (11:40:23 PM): what?
spies8hambone (11:40:28 PM): english plz =P
spies8hambone (11:42:49 PM): i really wish lillith got rid of that post or edited it
spies8hambone (11:45:16 PM): speak to me plz
spies8tina (11:45:34 PM): I just am talking with Owen a bit right now.
spies8hambone (11:45:46 PM): i didnt even know he was online
spies8tina (11:45:50 PM): He is.
spies8hambone (11:46:16 PM): well something has to be done about her post and asap
spies8hambone (11:46:20 PM): im serious
spies8tina (11:46:31 PM): I am not sure about how big of a chance Lil really has of getting imprisoned unless it is a shot at the doctor.
spies8hambone (11:46:49 PM): im not smart and i figured it out 0_0
spies8tina (11:46:51 PM): Well, for Allan "lying". From her standpoint, Allan had claimed that he knew Gabe was the doctor.
spies8tina (11:47:05 PM): Today, someone claims that Gabe was not the doctor.
spies8tina (11:47:11 PM): Therefore, Allan lied about it.
spies8hambone (11:47:21 PM): yes but
spies8hambone (11:47:35 PM): why do u not trust me
spies8tina (11:47:55 PM): I do, I just do not see this having someone think she is the doctor too much.
spies8hambone (11:48:29 PM): because its percieving as simply allan is a liar
spies8hambone (11:48:32 PM): or she is a liar
spies8hambone (11:48:37 PM): right?
spies8tina (11:50:08 PM): I guess. Do you want me to see if I can get her to change it?
spies8hambone (11:50:15 PM): i think she should
spies8hambone (11:50:21 PM): because the way I personally see it
spies8hambone (11:50:26 PM): is that she knows allan is wrong
spies8hambone (11:50:36 PM): and that makes her seem like a way more valuable cit than allan might be
spies8hambone (11:50:43 PM): and that she KNOWS who the doc rly is
spies8hambone (11:50:47 PM): and one of the only ways she can know
spies8hambone (11:50:49 PM): is if its HER
spies8hambone (11:50:57 PM): or someone else thats close to her
spies8hambone (11:51:16 PM): am i allowed to talk to her?
spies8tina (11:51:26 PM): I don't see why not.
spies8hambone (11:51:31 PM): no, about this
spies8hambone (11:51:35 PM): ive never met her
spies8hambone (11:51:37 PM): lol
spies8tina (11:52:47 PM): Your call really.
spies8hambone (11:52:50 PM): well
spies8hambone (11:52:53 PM): u know more than i do
spies8hambone (11:53:02 PM): i dont wanna go in their blabbin away
spies8hambone (11:53:02 PM): and scarin her to death
spies8hambone (11:53:37 PM): is it just u and me that know
spies8hambone (11:59:42 PM): *feels unwanted*
Tuesday, July 06, 2010
spies8tina (12:00:35 AM): I am seeing if she will change "I know" to "I am pretty sure"
spies8tina (12:00:42 AM): If that helps at all.
spies8hambone (12:00:48 AM): it does
spies8hambone (12:00:56 AM): or even "I think"
spies8tina (12:00:59 AM): Just running three conversations at once now.
spies8hambone (12:01:02 AM): gotcha
spies8hambone (12:01:09 AM): its cool if u dont trust me
spies8hambone (12:01:15 AM): but id like to be included some more
spies8tina (12:01:27 AM): I do trust you, I just think you are insane about this part.
spies8hambone (12:01:33 AM): we lost garb and nita (who i thought was def. cit)
spies8tina (12:01:35 AM): Does not look much like a doctor claim to me.
spies8hambone (12:01:44 AM): im insane?
spies8tina (12:01:52 AM): Well, overreacting over this.
spies8hambone (12:01:56 AM): thats just the way i read it
spies8hambone (12:02:12 AM): and every time the word doctor is mentioned u freak a shit
spies8hambone (12:02:13 AM): lol
spies8hambone (12:02:17 AM): so obvs u know somethin
spies8hambone (12:02:23 AM): so i was lettin u know what i think
spies8hambone (12:02:29 AM): like i always do
spies8tina (12:02:40 AM): I have been trained to freaking out over mentions of roles.
spies8hambone (12:02:45 AM): =P
spies8tina (12:02:59 AM): Lots of times it does more harm then good, especially with good players.
spies8hambone (12:03:08 AM): whether im right or not i think she should change it
spies8hambone (12:03:22 AM): and the way ur talkin to me right now it seems as if im right
spies8hambone (12:03:29 AM): once again, either way, my lips are shut
spies8hambone (12:03:35 AM): i promise u i aint sayin a thing
spies8tina (12:04:15 AM): She thinks changing it will make her look more like the doctor apparently.
spies8tina (12:04:22 AM): So does not want to.
spies8hambone (12:04:30 AM): i guess if someone remembered what she wrote
spies8hambone (12:04:31 AM): then shes right
spies8hambone (12:04:37 AM): but idk if ppl would remember
spies8hambone (12:04:38 AM): or not
spies8hambone (12:05:35 AM): should i bring this up to her or not
spies8tina (12:05:55 AM): I am pretty sure you would get a similar response as you are here.
spies8hambone (12:06:17 AM): ok
spies8hambone (12:08:40 AM): we talkin about it now
spies8hambone (12:36:46 AM): ill talk to u tomorrow
spies8hambone (12:36:48 AM): bye
spies8tina (12:36:52 AM): Later.