Episode 2 Conversations
Jun 24, 2010 13:33:19 GMT -6
Post by Tina on Jun 24, 2010 13:33:19 GMT -6
Running out of time so am just going to throw a whole bunch in here orginized by who with.
~Nita~
spies8tina (12:40:30 PM): Hey there.
spies8tina (12:40:37 PM): Have you talked with Gabe at all?
spies8nita (12:40:43 PM): Hola Tina!
spies8nita (12:40:51 PM): Last night, a little
spies8nita (12:41:06 PM): He cute, made an anagram alliance chat
spies8tina (12:41:17 PM): I am sure he told you he would much rather go for Savannah than Jenny?
spies8nita (12:41:31 PM): I know he suspect her from last round
spies8tina (12:42:28 PM): He told me that he would rather exile her. He had been set on that since about 36 hours into the game however.
spies8nita (12:43:02 PM): So Gabriel stubborn. Let me look up his reasons for her again. I ask last round.
spies8nita (12:45:04 PM): Maybe I no post this chat? I can't find it
spies8nita (12:45:13 PM): I remember he talked bout her wantin to exile lurkers
spies8nita (12:45:19 PM): And how she said before she no wanna do that
spies8tina (12:45:33 PM): I have that one somewhere.
spies8nita (12:45:41 PM): But I talk to her and she say she want to exile Zedekiah for other reasons, ella no mention lurking at all
spies8nita (12:45:57 PM): So maybe he exaggeratin
spies8nita (12:46:01 PM): Or not rememberin right
spies8tina (12:46:09 PM): It was quite a bit due to Zek not doing any spy hunting.
spies8nita (12:46:27 PM): Right
spies8tina (12:46:39 PM): spies8savannah (5:10:14 PM):well spies can be lurkers lolspies8jenny (5:10:16 PM):Agreed.spies8savannah (5:10:18 PM):butspies8savannah (5:10:29 PM):its probably NOT the best solution
spies8tina (12:46:49 PM): Ok I give up, how do you copy nicely.
spies8tina (12:47:01 PM): spies8savannah (5:12:27 PM):i guess lurkers wind up getting lynched cause there really isnt much to go on the first round
spies8tina (12:47:08 PM): spies8savannah (5:12:52 PM):i guess its better than falsely eliminating a good cit
spies8nita (12:47:25 PM): She tell me she no believe him bout the Zedekiah logoff thing
spies8nita (12:47:47 PM): That was the main reason
spies8nita (12:47:57 PM): This was 2 days ago, before Zed be all stupid in chat
spies8tina (12:48:16 PM): One of my bigger fears right now is that Zek is actually a spy to, and that is a big reason that Alexei was unable to keep suspicions of him straight.
spies8tina (12:48:31 PM): Am I justified or paranoid in that?
spies8nita (12:48:58 PM): From the questionin, and how he changed from "cit" to "unsure" I don't know
spies8nita (12:49:11 PM): How Alexei questioned Zed I mean. Seemed like the hombre was out for blood
spies8tina (12:49:31 PM): That was going with the flow of the chat however.
spies8tina (12:49:53 PM): When he first came in, he told me he did not know what Zek was.
spies8tina (12:50:05 PM): Which outright conflicts with what he had just told Jenny.
spies8tina (12:50:11 PM): When people attacked Zek, he joined in.
spies8tina (12:50:19 PM): The next day people were not as sure, his mind changed.
spies8nita (12:50:22 PM): What he tell to Jenny?
spies8tina (12:50:30 PM): Zek was "def a spy"
spies8tina (12:50:44 PM): A few minutes before I asked him stuff in public.
spies8tina (12:51:22 PM): spies8alexei (7:20:46 PM):I personally think he's definitely a spy
spies8nita (12:51:43 PM): I thought he say to you Zek was almost citizen, that's what you point out in the chat, that Alexei say almost citizen but still put him in top 2
spies8tina (12:51:45 PM): That was from a log between Jenny and Alexei, right before he started posting in public.
spies8tina (12:51:56 PM): He was all over.
spies8nita (12:52:08 PM): I'm ain't followin. When was this?
spies8tina (12:52:27 PM): That was right before I asked him stuff in that first big chat. Where it all began.
spies8tina (12:52:42 PM): spies8alexei (6:25:16 PM):either way, I think it's suspicious
spies8alexei (6:25:41 PM):I'm saying I believe him, but there is no reason not to talk to us
spies8tina 4:45 pm
So at that point you had no idea what his alignment was?
spies8alexei 4:45 pm
yes
spies8tina (12:53:02 PM): These (timezone differences aside) came just after the first one, and a subsequent explaination of them.
spies8tina (12:54:12 PM): From what I can tell though. At X:20, Alexei tells Jenny "Zek is def a spy". At X:25, he publicly posts the above, later he says he did not know what his alignment was. At the end of that chat, Zek was called a spy by him again.
spies8tina (12:54:36 PM): Between the end of that chat, and when I talked to him, Alexei had spoken to Zek, and then considered him a citizen.
spies8tina (12:55:05 PM): What you posted, I think came from Owen. Alexei told me it was due to "not having any suspicions, so just naming someone who was getting votes"
spies8tina (12:55:33 PM): Complicated stuff. I just have that nagging feeling that this could have been due to Alexei trying not to bus a partner.
spies8tina (12:56:52 PM): The story was god awful from Alexei, and I still am mad at myself for changing. The fact that he said he was voting Steph just struck me as genuine.
spies8nita (12:57:04 PM): But what difference it make? Zedekiah no go after Dane, so why it matter?
spies8nita (12:57:11 PM): It bother his conscious?
spies8nita (12:57:27 PM): If the two be on the same side, why no work together? I no see none of that
spies8nita (12:57:44 PM): Unless some role say spies no allowed to vote other spies
spies8nita (12:57:53 PM): But with logic, I no see it
spies8tina (12:58:00 PM): That is true.
spies8nita (12:58:21 PM): Zedekiah go after Allan, Alexei go after Dane y Stephanie, no workin together
spies8tina (12:58:33 PM): Rondak brought it up to me at one point and I laughed it off. During routes today I wondered if I was too quick to judge.
spies8nita (12:59:27 PM): I ain't decided bout Zedekiah one way or the other
spies8nita (12:59:54 PM): El es estupido y inutil, stupid and useless, so he could be doin what he wants just because he never make sense
spies8nita (1:00:05 PM): Could be a stupid spy or a stupid citizen, I don't know
spies8tina (1:00:16 PM): Right, that is the challenge.
spies8nita (1:00:30 PM): So maybe the best thing is to watch how others interact with him
spies8tina (1:01:33 PM): Same applies with Allan.
spies8nita (1:01:42 PM): Y Kiara y Dane
spies8tina (1:01:43 PM): Although I think he is just an idiot town.
spies8tina (1:02:03 PM): Kiara was receptive of the Alexei case when I first brought it up.
spies8nita (1:02:13 PM): Si. receptive to me too
spies8nita (1:02:23 PM): Out of the 4 stupids she is the one I am least worried bout
spies8tina (1:02:27 PM): Did not push it, but did not do anything to cut it down.
spies8nita (1:02:27 PM): But not votin, that be stupid
spies8tina (1:03:14 PM): I have to think Dane may be town as well. We seem to have quite a few "unsmart" players, but I think they all could easily be citizens.
spies8nita (1:04:05 PM): You too quick to trust Tina!
spies8nita (1:04:16 PM): Maybe watch for longer before decidin
spies8tina (1:04:32 PM): It is not strong trust.
spies8nita (1:04:35 PM): People, they get ideas in their heads y they don't want to let go, don't want to be wrong
spies8tina (1:04:49 PM): I have Citizen, Probably Citizen, Probably Spy and Spy categories.
spies8tina (1:04:56 PM): All of them are in probably citizen.
spies8nita (1:06:01 PM): Who in the other 3?
spies8tina (1:06:40 PM): Citizen is you, Gabe and Hambone with Owen and Dane on the edge.
spies8tina (1:07:16 PM): PC is Owen and Dane then Allan, Steph, Kiara and Zed.
spies8tina (1:07:31 PM): PS is Rondak, Themba and Savannah.
spies8tina (1:07:35 PM): Spy I have as Jenny.
spies8nita (1:07:57 PM): Rondak, that's interestin. Ain't thought much bout him at all.
spies8nita (1:08:05 PM): he kinda doin what Allan accused me of - hidin behind character
spies8tina (1:08:07 PM): Gabe brought up a good point.
spies8tina (1:08:16 PM): One spy probably voted Alexei.
spies8nita (1:08:30 PM): I'm avoidin quota guessin systems
spies8nita (1:08:48 PM): For all we know, everyone but me who voted Alexei is a spy lookin to take credit
spies8tina (1:09:03 PM): Good to do, but when two hours before exile he had nine votes, chances are there.
spies8tina (1:09:19 PM): I just have been uneasy around him the whole time.
spies8tina (1:09:31 PM): He claims to have never played before, but is doing some roleplaying.
spies8tina (1:09:43 PM): Is it normal for people who have never played to roleplay?
spies8tina (1:09:56 PM): I think that is something you would only do if you were comfortable with the setup.
spies8nita (1:09:57 PM): I ain't never played y Allan thinks that's what I'm doin
spies8nita (1:10:17 PM): You could test that by lookin at the first spies game y seein if anyone roleplayed there
spies8tina (1:11:00 PM): A few things with a chat with him made me feel twitchy.
spies8nita (1:11:12 PM): Anythin in particular?
spies8tina (1:12:12 PM): spies8rondak (5:40:19 PM):I talked to him once individually.spies8rondak (5::32 PM):
spies8tina (1:12:23 PM): spies8rondak (5:40:32 PM):And, for some reason, I was suspicious of him.
spies8tina (1:12:38 PM): spies8rondak (5:41:33 PM):And, if he turns up as a Spy, it's reasonable to think that we have the majority amount of Spies over here.
spies8tina (1:13:12 PM): That just suprised me.
spies8tina (1:13:31 PM): The first one due to me never have hadding heard of Ronak putting anything up on Alexei.
spies8nita (1:13:32 PM): That he no give no reasons?
spies8tina (1:13:44 PM): The second because, well I see no way to get to that point.
spies8nita (1:13:49 PM): Me neither
spies8nita (1:14:04 PM): He mean in terms of odds of us hittin a spy or what?
spies8tina (1:14:38 PM): I am not sure.
spies8tina (1:15:02 PM): We got into him thinking Zek could easily be a spy with Alexei shortly after.
spies8nita (1:15:03 PM): Weird thing to say
spies8tina (1:15:13 PM): Right, it struck me as odd.
spies8nita (1:15:24 PM): He say he think the 2 are both spies?
spies8tina (1:15:48 PM): spies8rondak (5:47:42 PM):If he was a Spy, and he knew Zek was a citizen, would he not be more certain?
spies8tina (1:15:56 PM): spies8rondak (5:49:35 PM):If he is a Spy, then, maybe Alexei could just be trying to scale back the damage for Zed.
spies8nita (1:17:47 PM): Which would have been more effective if Alexei actually voted Zed, no?
spies8nita (1:18:06 PM): Maybe Alexei no vote Zedekiah because votin him would make him look like a citizen
spies8nita (1:18:19 PM): Y Zedekiah still looks like a good option with 4 votes
spies8tina (1:18:40 PM): Right, which is why I think Alexei voting Dane made Dane somewhat citizen.
spies8tina (1:19:00 PM): It was a weak case on a player who had lot of discussion around him.
spies8tina (1:19:10 PM): Possibly best survival chance.
spies8nita (1:20:24 PM): What bout Themba?
spies8nita (1:20:36 PM): I go back and forth with her
spies8tina (1:20:51 PM): Good pick for spy.
spies8nita (1:21:06 PM): She quick to declare a vote for Dane when Alexei case goes up, y she switch to Zedekiah right before exile like she was lookin for an excuse
spies8nita (1:21:26 PM): But she also the one to point out when Alexei said bye in the chat that he sounded like he was outtin himself as a spy
spies8tina (1:21:31 PM): When I think Themba, I think getting mad at Dane more than anything about Zek or Alexei, which is bad to start.
spies8nita (1:22:15 PM): Si, so coincidence that she target Dane y Zedekiah, like Alexei? maybe not
spies8nita (1:22:36 PM): Alexei never say Themba spylike for postin bout no exile y that was a popular argument
spies8tina (1:22:51 PM): Did he ever even mention her to start?
spies8nita (1:22:58 PM): Why Alexei pick up the Zed argument y the Dane argument but never Themba?
spies8nita (1:23:06 PM): I don't think so?
spies8tina (1:23:16 PM): It is a good spot to look.
spies8tina (1:23:29 PM): By no means would it be an exile that I did not like.
spies8tina (1:24:02 PM): It is why she is in the group with Rondak.
spies8tina (1:24:29 PM): I have very little if any reason to think they are a citizen, but not tons to think they are spy.
spies8nita (1:26:03 PM): She also say she votin Alexei in the votin thread, but it be about 1 comment Alexei make: when he tell dane the game would be better off without him even if he was a citizen
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Tuesday, June 22, 2010
spies8tina (1:49:44 PM): Well, the post from Zek is surprising to say the least.
spies8tina (1:49:55 PM): Did not think that he had that much logic in him.
spies8nita (1:50:07 PM): Yo tampoco! But I'm glad we wrong
spies8nita (1:50:28 PM): I'm gonna comment on it if I can think of somethin to say
spies8nita (1:50:34 PM): Encourage him to keep doin what he doin
spies8tina (1:50:40 PM): It apparently is turning into Zek-Themba.
spies8tina (1:51:22 PM): I just can not figure out of my initial read was right on Zek or not.
spies8tina (1:51:47 PM): If it was right, which I am actually leaning towards again, Themba looks to be the better vote.
spies8tina (1:52:14 PM): If not, it would strongly suggest Themba town.
spies8tina (1:52:35 PM): As trying to move the wagon from a spy to a spy at the last minute as a spy? Makes zero sense.
spies8nita (1:53:01 PM): It bein the exile?
spies8nita (1:53:21 PM): Y si, make no sense because it bring extra attention
spies8nita (1:53:26 PM): But sometiimes people make no sense, si?
spies8tina (1:53:34 PM): This game has proven that.
spies8nita (1:53:48 PM): Como? How?
spies8tina (1:54:07 PM): Most things Zek as said. The whole quitting thing from last night.
spies8tina (1:54:23 PM): People are curious.
spies8nita (1:54:40 PM): Like Alexei quttin? Si
spies8nita (1:54:43 PM): That what I was thinkin
spies8nita (1:54:46 PM): Oh, Allan
spies8nita (1:54:49 PM): Him tambien
spies8tina (1:55:03 PM): I just think that Themba would know enough that as spy to not make that move if Zek is also a spy.
spies8nita (1:55:12 PM): I ain't gonna try to guess what themba would do if she be a spy
spies8nita (1:55:26 PM): Here's my problem with what she did
spies8nita (1:56:15 PM): What Zedekiah post
spies8nita (1:56:51 PM): Shortenin it
spies8nita (1:56:52 PM): spies8zedekiah: I see, what were yer reasons fer suspectin (Alexei) so strongly then?
spies8themba: my main, convincing reason was the group chat where he basically laid down and died and admitted being maffy. doesn't take much more than that for me. he made an odd comment about lynching dane regardless of alliance, then that he believed steph's evidence but had no evidence of his own. then we pressed him, and in the end he just went ok then.
spies8zedekiah: so you reckon he was sure t' be scum, yet you changed yer vote t' me at the last second?
spies8themba: no i am not sure if anyone is scum.
spies8zedekiah: but ye jus claimed that he "admitted" his guilt.
spies8themba: it can never be a 100% case until they're dead and the alliance is revealed.
spies8nita (1:57:11 PM): So she has great reasons for suspectin Alexei, si?
spies8nita (1:57:30 PM): Made an odd comment bout lynchin Dane, believed Steph's evidence with no evidence of his own, laid down y admitted being mafia
spies8nita (1:57:32 PM): She say this
spies8nita (1:57:58 PM): She say "doesn't take much more than that for me"
spies8nita (1:58:09 PM): Like "I know scum when I see it y that's scum"
spies8nita (1:58:20 PM): That's good
spies8nita (1:58:21 PM): But
spies8nita (1:58:30 PM): She change her vote. Zedekiah call her out on it
spies8tina (1:58:35 PM): Right, things changed soon after.
spies8nita (1:58:37 PM): Y she say "she only 55% certain" in public chat
spies8nita (1:58:42 PM): 55/45 she keep sayin
spies8nita (1:58:46 PM): 45/55, 55/45
spies8tina (1:58:53 PM): That is what got me, her "It is very close" the entire time.
spies8nita (1:59:08 PM): She say most of the time it don't get no better than that
spies8nita (1:59:14 PM): And she still 45/55, 55/45, 45/55
spies8nita (1:59:19 PM): Keepini her options open
spies8nita (1:59:45 PM): So I think she was tryin to avoid what Alexei did - Alexei no know details of cases y he get called out on it
spies8nita (1:59:51 PM): Themba tryin to show she know the details
spies8nita (2:00:08 PM): While also givin her room to change to Zedekiah if she had to
spies8tina (2:00:59 PM): Right. There was never a solid stance there, much more fluid compared to others.
spies8tina (2:02:00 PM): spies8themba 8:34 pm
i think he may well be a spy, but i am unsure. i think you are both possible spies, and it's a 50/50 at the moment as to who i vote for. i vote who i see has the strongest case against them. and now i feel that is you.
spies8tina (2:02:04 PM): If my timezones are right.
spies8tina (2:02:16 PM): This was Themba to Zek about half an hour to do.
spies8tina (2:02:20 PM): To go.
spies8tina (2:04:11 PM): spies8themba (6:59:13 PM):am doing it now. but thanks for the advice Nita.
spies8nita (2:04:15 PM): Why give him anythin to work with?
spies8tina (2:04:18 PM): Themba in public an hour before.
spies8nita (2:04:20 PM): She was talkin bout postin her reasons
spies8nita (2:04:24 PM): For why Zedekiah
spies8nita (2:04:28 PM): She originally didn't post none
spies8tina (2:09:02 PM): I am also still interested on why she was on Alexei.
spies8nita (2:09:14 PM): Themba? She list the points, no?
spies8tina (2:09:25 PM): I mean the fact that she never talked with him.
spies8tina (2:09:30 PM): Ever.
spies8tina (2:09:33 PM): spies8themba (6:44:02 PM):i've NEVER spoken to him in private.
spies8nita (2:09:39 PM): Maybe so she no worry bout postin chats?
spies8nita (2:09:48 PM): Seem like hafl the group did
spies8nita (2:09:54 PM): Y she voted him
spies8tina (2:10:03 PM): Easily could be, but if you are going to vote someone, you would at least PM them something.
spies8nita (2:10:15 PM): I agree
spies8tina (2:10:20 PM): They were on at the same time too at some points too I would have to assume.
spies8tina (2:11:10 PM): Also there was the "admitted he was a spy" thing.
spies8tina (2:11:46 PM): Seemed like it was a bit much of a jump.
spies8nita (2:12:07 PM): Jenny defend it
spies8tina (2:12:13 PM): More of a "Guys look. I added to the case." thing.
spies8nita (2:12:14 PM): But Jenny also defend Alexei a few other times
spies8nita (2:13:14 PM): You not considerin Savannah or Jenny anymore? Por que?
spies8tina (2:13:39 PM): Both a bit less at this point.
spies8tina (2:14:12 PM): Jenny I am not as sure on. That chat right before the Alexei thing he gave me I have continually been reading.
spies8nita (2:14:22 PM): If Alexei give you it, he could change it, no?
spies8tina (2:14:33 PM): Looking back through logs with Jenny, she did refrence it well though.
spies8tina (2:14:46 PM): That was before I recieved the log too.
spies8nita (2:14:48 PM): In the group chat?
spies8tina (2:15:18 PM): spies8jenny (7:00:22 PM):He's telling me he's pretty sure that Zeddy is a spy.
spies8tina (2:15:20 PM): spies8jenny (7:00:52 PM):Saying he's not convinced about the whole thing.
spies8tina (2:15:34 PM): That was maybe half an hour after Alexei started talking.
spies8tina (2:16:01 PM): (7:20:46 PM):I personally think he's definitely a spy
spies8tina (2:16:12 PM): spies8alexei (7:26:02 PM):yeahspies8alexei (7:30:00 PM):I'm still not convinced
spies8tina (2:16:54 PM): That was Alexei to Jenny, timezone adjusted 30-40 minutes prior.
spies8nita (2:17:13 PM): I just say be careful, they could have decided to fake a chat then
spies8tina (2:17:15 PM): Just for some reason I keep thinking about those few lines when I think of Jenny-spy.
spies8nita (2:17:18 PM): You clear Jenny, you do it for other reasons
spies8nita (2:17:33 PM): Like if she really tryin to find mafia
spies8tina (2:17:45 PM): It just is one of the nagging things.
spies8tina (2:17:52 PM): I have too many nagging things.
spies8nita (2:18:04 PM): Chica I know what you mean
spies8tina (2:18:15 PM): They already have got the best of me once.
spies8nita (2:18:29 PM): between the Zedekiah voters y Allan y Zedekiah, y people accusin the Alexei voters, anythin could be the truth
spies8nita (2:18:38 PM): Plus we no even know how many spies we dealin with
spies8tina (2:18:49 PM): Correct.
spies8tina (2:19:07 PM): Even though the chance of Alexei just being here alone is very low.
spies8nita (2:19:43 PM): Si, I don't know the odds but it seem like 1/7 ain't that good
spies8tina (2:19:51 PM): Roughly 5%?
spies8tina (2:19:54 PM): I think.
spies8tina (2:20:30 PM): Savannah-Jenny is odd though.
spies8tina (2:20:49 PM): You can not deny that Savannah is putting more effort into the game on the trying to push things area.
spies8tina (2:21:04 PM): Jenny. I do not know what she is up to most of the time.
spies8nita (2:21:21 PM): Si, Savannah flip out
spies8nita (2:21:26 PM): You see her in the chat?
spies8nita (2:21:28 PM): She was goin nuts
spies8tina (2:21:57 PM): Correct. If people were refusing to listen to me though about what I thought was a sure thing, I would have gone over the edge too.
spies8tina (2:22:06 PM): Maybe a much lower edge, but not stayed calm.
spies8nita (2:22:11 PM): [21:30] spies8savannah: see my point
[21:30] spies8savannah: POSTING USELESS INFORMATION
[21:30] spies8hambone: ya
[21:30] spies8savannah: and somehow
[21:30] spies8savannah: no one finds this supicious
[21:30] spies8savannah: like i feel like im talking to a wall half the time
[21:30] spies8savannah: x_______x
spies8tina (2:22:51 PM): I just think Themba edges out the rest of the field right now for me.
spies8tina (2:23:20 PM): Although three wagons of Themba-Jenny-Zek would be a good thing I think.
spies8tina (2:23:41 PM): I would enjoy seeing something like that occur.
spies8nita (2:25:19 PM): For me I think it be Savannah Themba Jenny
spies8nita (2:25:24 PM): In that order
spies8tina (2:25:49 PM): I would need to have a decent talk with each of Savannah and Jenny before a vote went through.
spies8tina (2:27:34 PM): Brought up Alexei very shortly after the chat to Jenny, and she was not that interested in it.
spies8tina (2:27:43 PM): spies8jenny (7:00:00 PM):I guess. Not really too big yet, but might as well keep an eye on him for now.
spies8tina (2:28:04 PM): Was more into what was going on with Zek, trying to argue me that way.
spies8tina (2:28:45 PM): spies8jenny (10:05:13 PM):Alexei, I dunno. Could be I guess, but I want to see more from him first if he's still alive after tomorrow.
spies8tina (2:28:58 PM): Just under 24 to exile.
spies8tina (2:29:30 PM): spies8jenny (10:05:50 PM):I'd be depressed too if I thought I was the first exile.
spies8tina (2:29:32 PM): spies8jenny (10:07:17 PM):I don't really see anyone just go "oh well, good game" this early actually, unless it's bloody obvious they're going for some reason.
spies8tina (2:29:41 PM): spies8jenny (10:19:41 PM):Because Zeddy makes more sense to me then the other choices.
spies8tina (2:30:04 PM): Savannah was much more in public trying to get people to change.
spies8tina (2:30:09 PM): Privately, it was more Jenny.
spies8tina (2:31:47 PM): I know Jenny still seems to want a Zek exile.
spies8nita (2:32:50 PM): I know she say that but I no get it
spies8nita (2:33:08 PM): Why somethin like "didnt know how to logoff" be better than "made up stuff botu his suspects"?
spies8tina (2:34:08 PM): I think it was because she wanted it to.
spies8nita (2:35:58 PM): can't argue with that
spies8nita (2:36:06 PM): Just frustratin
spies8nita (2:36:33 PM): Also frustratin thinkin I'm gonna be imprisoned
spies8nita (2:36:34 PM): I no like that
spies8nita (2:36:47 PM): Themba y Dane, they both like to remind me of that
spies8tina (2:37:20 PM): I would be surprised if it was not one of us, outside chance Owen or whoever people think is town on other side.
spies8nita (2:38:09 PM): I must go chica
spies8nita (2:38:14 PM): If I no see you later, good luck tonight
spies8tina (2:38:20 PM): You too.
spies8nita signed off at 2:40:25 PM
spies8Nita (9:18:36 PM): Am I goin crazy? What part of what I'm sayin make no sense?
spies8tina (9:19:15 PM): You are making sense. People just have a hard time letting go of inital ideas usually.
Wednesday, June 23, 2010
spies8tina (4:19:33 PM): So where are you between Steph and Savannah now?
spies8tina (4:20:54 PM): Both of them are fairly decent exiles. It just comes down to Steph really being insane or spy.
spies8tina (4:21:12 PM): I get glimmers of each from last night.
spies8nita (4:22:03 PM): I could go either way
spies8nita (4:22:18 PM): Stephanie, her reasons for her big suspects are baloney, si?
spies8nita (4:22:26 PM): Her stance on Zedekiah fence-sittin
spies8tina (4:22:33 PM): Her reasons appear made up or flat out wrong.
spies8nita (4:22:36 PM): Her stance on Alexei inconsistent
spies8tina (4:22:49 PM): She is tailoring them to make her appear better.
spies8nita (4:23:09 PM): I also wonder if she namin people without current suspicions on them to start buildin them up as suspects early
spies8tina (4:23:13 PM): At least that is what it seems, given how they progress.
spies8nita (4:23:21 PM): Who name Dane first? She did. Wasn't a legitimate stance but she do it
spies8nita (4:23:34 PM): Who she namin now? Owen y Rondak. No one suspectin them, maybe she tryin to get people to start that
spies8tina (4:23:56 PM): Owen suspicion is awful.
spies8nita (4:23:59 PM): Si, real bad
spies8nita (4:24:08 PM): So Stephanie, si, I can see her bein a spy
spies8nita (4:24:13 PM): Savannah, she too
spies8tina (4:24:27 PM): Well, maybe they can even be together.
spies8nita (4:24:29 PM): Her pushin Zedekiah an hour before exile, maybe to save Alexei
spies8nita (4:24:30 PM): Si
spies8nita (4:24:50 PM): Her comments on talkin to Alexei - she say he convince her he cit, but she no give no reaosns why
spies8tina (4:24:58 PM): Steph is very vauge on Savvanah. I do not even think that Savannah has mentioned Steph.
spies8nita (4:25:00 PM): Y her sayin she would rather vote for a dummy than a liar?
spies8nita (4:25:08 PM): I talk to Savannah today bout Stephanie
spies8nita (4:25:12 PM): Un momento
spies8nita (4:25:33 PM): The one thing she keep sayin es
spies8nita (4:25:49 PM): Stephanie comes off as pretty smart to Savannah, so Savannah know Stephanie not a fool
spies8nita (4:26:01 PM): She also say Stephanie barely talk even though she online a lot
spies8tina (4:26:17 PM): Steph is someone who will rarely seek out a conversation.
spies8nita (4:26:28 PM): Said her reasons were off y she needs to be watched, but she no do anythin super suspicious
spies8tina (4:26:45 PM): Also was one of the two who made me twitch when she send me a "good job" message after Alexei exile.
spies8nita (4:26:59 PM): bad vibe?
spies8tina (4:27:12 PM): Right.
spies8tina (4:27:38 PM): I think she oversells her reaction to Alexei at first too, a whole lot.
spies8tina (4:27:49 PM): Especially comparing it to that of Owen and Kiara.
spies8tina (4:28:10 PM): Those two acted ready to vote him off the first night. Steph appeared to want a exiled Zek.
spies8nita (4:28:26 PM): Si
spies8nita (4:28:56 PM): Oh I think of one thing
spies8tina (4:29:00 PM): I think I need to make a case on Steph, even though I am leaning slightly to a Savannah vote.
spies8tina (4:30:21 PM): It could be a very good way to get a read, if it is all publicized.
spies8nita (4:30:32 PM): This post here
spies8nita (4:30:33 PM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gop&thread=293&page=1#1335
spies8nita (4:30:40 PM): look for word "rule"
spies8nita (4:32:21 PM): I just remember bout this
spies8tina (4:33:35 PM): Ah yes.
spies8nita (4:34:06 PM): Fake o no?
spies8tina (4:34:51 PM): Hard to tell, there is no real logic behind it.
spies8tina (4:34:59 PM): And no reaction points.
spies8nita (4:35:19 PM): I no tell either
spies8nita (4:35:23 PM): Could be either
spies8tina (4:36:14 PM): I would not be surprised if it was a fake, but do not know much of what to look for.
spies8nita (4:36:59 PM): So it ain't conclusive
spies8tina (4:37:29 PM): I do not think that it is conclusive.
spies8nita (4:38:37 PM): I goin soon chica
spies8nita (4:38:48 PM): When I get back later I read Gabriels' case
spies8tina (4:39:01 PM): Ok. I think I will be on and off for the whole night.
spies8nita (4:41:55 PM): Bien
spies8nita went away at 4:47:20 PM
spies8nita signed off at 5:05:36 PM
spies8tina (10:02:59 PM): You know, life really sucks when there are three people on your side that you have to decide if they are just crazy or spies.
spies8Nita (10:03:15 PM): Si!!!
spies8Nita (10:03:29 PM): Stephanie obviously, who the other two you thinkin of?
spies8Nita (10:03:34 PM): Because I think they all crazy
spies8Nita (10:03:38 PM): Themba, she so emotional
spies8tina (10:03:41 PM): Zek although I think he is a citizen at this point.
spies8Nita (10:03:48 PM): Zedekiah, si, he crazy
spies8Nita (10:03:50 PM): Dane he crazy drunk
spies8Nita (10:04:05 PM): Rondak, he crazy elf. Hambone, he innocent cryin kid
spies8tina (10:04:09 PM): Allan now is just being more confusing than his whole do nothing and quite thing.
spies8Nita (10:04:17 PM): Allan, I really think he just lazy
spies8tina (10:04:37 PM): True, Hambone is a bit emotional for a bodybuilder.
spies8Nita (10:04:37 PM): He emotional crazy too
spies8Nita (10:04:49 PM): You hear him cryin over Toy Story 3?
spies8tina (10:05:04 PM): Hah. I still want to see that movie.
spies8tina (10:05:26 PM): I get this friday off work, I might catch it then.
spies8Nita (10:05:44 PM): Maybe Hambone lend you a hanky
spies8tina (10:08:01 PM): Why can people not just make sense.
~Savannah~
spies8tina (3:40:06 PM): So what is your current thought on Zek?
spies8savannah (3:40:20 PM): lmao his thread wasnt very helpful
spies8savannah (3:40:32 PM): i think hes trying to show hes contributing but he really isnt
spies8tina (3:40:43 PM): So is that a no change?
spies8savannah (3:40:49 PM): yes pretty much
spies8savannah (3:40:52 PM):
spies8savannah (3:41:00 PM): what are you thinking?
spies8tina (3:41:35 PM): I have been going back and forth on him every few hours. Right now I am back in the Zek-citizen came.
spies8tina (3:41:38 PM): camp*
spies8savannah (3:41:47 PM): explan.
spies8savannah (3:41:50 PM): explain*
spies8tina (3:42:07 PM): I can argue him both ways right now I believe, which is difficult to start.
spies8savannah (3:42:21 PM): well.
spies8savannah (3:42:26 PM): it is important to know.
spies8savannah (3:42:36 PM): considering you did vote for him last round.
spies8tina (3:43:00 PM): I know. If I can just get any one players alignment, it would be his at this point.
spies8savannah (3:43:12 PM): lmao
spies8savannah (3:43:26 PM): unfortunately that's not possible unless you have some type of role
spies8savannah (3:43:34 PM): so lets hear your thoughts. =p
spies8tina (3:44:06 PM): Well, you can say all of his wierd comments are a tell, and that he has not done any spy hunting.
spies8tina (3:44:21 PM): Argueably that has slightly changed, but we can leave that for the time being.
spies8tina (3:44:41 PM): There also are some things that can make it turn around to him being a citizen.
spies8tina (3:44:55 PM): He was not interested in doing anything to save himself near exile.
spies8savannah (3:45:09 PM): and that's cit like ?
spies8tina (3:45:18 PM): In my opinion, yes.
spies8savannah (3:45:34 PM): well that's not really very strong evidence lol
spies8tina (3:45:39 PM): Continuing though.
spies8savannah (3:45:44 PM): considering he hasnt really been very intelligent
spies8tina (3:46:51 PM): Alexei did not vote for him, this can be either way again, but I side to it meaning Zek is a citizen. Alexei had locked himself out of being able to vote for Zek without getting himself killed quickly if Zek ever was revealed as citizen.
spies8tina (3:47:19 PM): If Alexei throws down a panic vote on Zek and he flips citizen, stuff on Alexei lightens quite a bit.
spies8tina (3:47:27 PM): and he flips spy*.
spies8savannah (3:47:55 PM): again, kind of medicore evidence
spies8tina (3:47:56 PM): Also there was no other attempts at anything but Alexei and Zek really being spies that ever was more than a bitch fest on our team.
spies8tina (3:48:47 PM): I is a lot of what Jenny called WFIOM, but I just am seeing a lot of things that at very first instinct make me think that Zek is town, just not very good town.
spies8savannah (3:49:00 PM): alexei was ready to give up, so im not really sure that could prove anything
spies8tina (3:49:14 PM): He came back to me later that night. He had not given up really.
spies8savannah (3:49:28 PM): lol okay. so you think his comments are just random stuipid townish things
spies8tina (3:49:39 PM): I lean stupid random townish things now.
spies8tina (3:50:00 PM): Almost every time I get in a conversation with someone it has been changing though.
spies8tina (3:50:23 PM): I am a little more interested in Themba at the moment to be quite frank.
spies8savannah (3:50:36 PM): why is that?
spies8tina (3:50:50 PM): Look at her attachments to the Alexei wagon.
spies8tina (3:50:59 PM): She voted him, after claiming to have never talked with him.
spies8tina (3:51:09 PM): When he quit, he was "spy giving up".
spies8savannah (3:51:21 PM): i noticed that too hence why i said we should look into her
spies8tina (3:51:28 PM): She seemed to not know a few of the key things on him.
spies8tina (3:51:42 PM): However through all of this it was 55/45 between him and Zek.
spies8tina (3:51:57 PM): When Zek says HQ, she jumps over.
spies8tina (3:52:15 PM): The "spy giving up" thing made me think it was her trying to show she contributed to the wagon.
spies8tina (3:52:40 PM): At that point, it was Nita, myself and Owen who had done most of the stuff in relation to it.
spies8savannah (3:52:45 PM): can i ask you a question
spies8tina (3:52:49 PM): Go ahead.
spies8savannah (3:53:10 PM): the "stupid town statements" are what originally fueled your vote toward zed correct?
spies8tina (3:53:31 PM): Mostly just the HQ thing.
spies8savannah (3:53:34 PM): and you thought them clearly highter than your rather large contribution to the anagram alliance case on alexei
spies8savannah (3:53:59 PM): but now you consider them simply stupid statements...while before they weighted higher than your case.
spies8savannah (3:54:05 PM): that is what concerns me.
spies8tina (3:54:34 PM): If Alexei had not had the conversation with me the night before, where after speaking to him he resigned on the Dane case and decided to move to the Steph case, I started having serious second doubts.
spies8tina (3:55:02 PM): I could not understand him as a spy making a move like that, so close to a deadline.
spies8tina (3:55:43 PM): When the HQ thing happened, that just was another large strike of paranoia for having everything wrong.
spies8savannah (3:55:54 PM): okay.
spies8tina (3:56:10 PM): The early AIM thing I thought was stupid though. The Allan speaking thing I actually understood.
spies8savannah (3:57:00 PM): okay, so its pretty much just a gut instinct, correct
spies8tina (3:57:22 PM): Gut was telling me I was wrong there, the HQ pushed me over the edge.
spies8savannah (3:57:50 PM): alrigjt
spies8savannah (3:57:52 PM): alright*
spies8savannah (3:58:18 PM): so right now you consider themby to be your top suspect?
spies8tina (3:58:38 PM): If I was voting right now, I would probably be voting her.
spies8savannah (3:58:54 PM): any other suspicions?
spies8tina (3:59:38 PM): To a lesser extent, both you and Jenny. The fact that I am basing all this off my Zek-cit read is again causing some pause.
spies8tina (4:00:01 PM): You and Jenny took two very different approaches to the first exile.
spies8savannah (4:00:11 PM): okay so you suspect us because of our votes
spies8tina (4:00:20 PM): She did a lot more one on one talk from what I can gather to change votes, you publically.
spies8tina (4:00:39 PM): Correct. Me changing views on Zek though as much as I have is not helping.
spies8savannah (4:01:37 PM): its funny since you originally jumped from a spy vote to a cit vote but then suspect people for voting for the same cit that you voted for...
spies8tina (4:01:58 PM): I know that.
spies8tina (4:02:14 PM): It is why I want to figure out the Zek stuff ASAP.
spies8savannah (4:02:28 PM): im sure we all do lol
spies8tina (4:08:15 PM): What are your thoughts on people other than Zek?
spies8savannah (4:13:47 PM): themba as you said is odd due to her not very good suspicions of both zed and alexei
spies8savannah (4:14:03 PM): gabriel, havent seen much suspicions from him yet he asks alot of questions it seems
spies8savannah (4:14:28 PM): ronnie, seems to roleplay alot but when it comes to spy hunting its a little lacking.
spies8tina (4:16:37 PM): So if Zek is town Themba and if spy Gabe if I read that right?
spies8savannah (4:16:58 PM): uh what.
spies8savannah (4:17:03 PM): lols
spies8tina (4:17:18 PM): Or is it all secondary stuff?
spies8tina (4:18:01 PM): Like if you had to forgo Zek exile.
spies8tina (4:18:59 PM): As at least to me, Zek spy does not do much to suggest Themba spy. Quite the contrary actually.
spies8savannah (4:19:37 PM): ugh sorry i have to run LOL, i will do this as soon as i get back
spies8tina (4:19:45 PM): Ok.
spies8savannah (4:19:49 PM): if your not on, ill send a pm <3
spies8savannah signed off at 4:19:53 PM
spies8savannah (5:17:17 PM): back
spies8tina (6:12:18 PM): Ok I am talkable too.
spies8savannah (6:12:23 PM): okayyy
spies8savannah (6:12:32 PM): so heres where we left off
spies8savannah (6:12:41 PM):
spies8tina (7:17:20 PM): Or is it all secondary stuff?
spies8tina (7:18:03 PM): Like if you had to forgo Zek exile.
spies8tina (7:19:01 PM): As at least to me, Zek spy does not do much to suggest Themba spy. Quite the contrary actually.
spies8savannah (6:12:53 PM): zek spy suggests gabe spy
spies8savannah (6:12:59 PM): and themba spy, zeke cit
spies8savannah (6:13:00 PM):
spies8tina (6:13:19 PM): Zek is still your prefered exile though correct?
spies8tina (6:13:24 PM): Making sure I have all this right.
spies8tina (6:13:32 PM): Where does Rondak fit in all this too.
spies8savannah (6:13:39 PM): tbh, im not sure
spies8savannah (6:13:43 PM): im looking at themba too
spies8savannah (6:13:54 PM): rondak is just someone i feel hasnt contributed much
spies8savannah (6:13:57 PM): he roleplays alot
spies8savannah (6:13:58 PM): great
spies8savannah (6:14:06 PM): but when it comes to the core scumhunting, hes not there
spies8savannah (6:14:12 PM): maybe its cause he claims to be new
spies8tina (6:14:58 PM): Well, so you are not as sure on Zek anymore?
spies8savannah (6:15:11 PM): i think zek is a spy
spies8savannah (6:15:18 PM): but i think themba looks suspicious too
spies8tina (6:15:28 PM): Ok, so you are deciding between the two?
spies8savannah (6:15:31 PM): and since they dont really look like a plausible combo
spies8savannah (6:15:34 PM): yes.
spies8tina (6:15:47 PM): Right. I think everyone I have talked to has said "One or the other".
spies8tina (6:16:04 PM): Some blatantly (Dane) some not as (all others).
spies8savannah (6:16:12 PM): haha
spies8savannah (6:16:20 PM): well at least most of us are on the same page
spies8tina (6:16:29 PM): Right, the debate is going to be on which one.
spies8savannah (6:16:48 PM): im guessing youd choose themba
spies8savannah (6:16:48 PM): lol
spies8tina (6:17:02 PM): Between those two that would be my obvious choice.
spies8savannah (6:17:29 PM): kayy
spies8savannah (6:22:57 PM): okay is it just me or do you find it odd how ronnie is usually in the chat but doesnt talk
spies8tina (6:23:24 PM): I see that too, which is why he has been hanging around as an outside suspect.
spies8tina (6:24:28 PM): You were one of the people who said at least one voter of Alexei was a spy right?
spies8savannah (6:25:56 PM): i didnt say they were
spies8savannah (6:26:01 PM): i said not to rule it out
spies8tina (6:26:08 PM): Ah ok.
spies8savannah (6:26:26 PM): obviously we have no way to confirm that there are even any more spies on our team
spies8tina (6:26:28 PM): Was wondering if that is why you were suspecting him in part.
spies8savannah (6:26:39 PM): although it makes alot of sense..
spies8tina (6:27:48 PM): I would not be surprised, but if anything it is a later game supplement.
spies8savannah (6:28:56 PM): yeah
Wednesday, June 23, 2010
spies8tina (10:53:54 PM): Ok. I have a few questions again.
spies8savannah (10:54:16 PM): go for ittttt
spies8tina (10:54:24 PM): You said that after Alexei went, you still saw, and continue to see Zek suspicious right?
spies8savannah (10:54:37 PM): correctemundo
spies8tina (10:54:38 PM): Was that a one way street?
spies8tina (10:54:51 PM): So would a Zek-spy flip exile one make you think Alexei was still a spy?
spies8savannah (10:55:45 PM): its a tough question. alexei was adamant at times that zed was both a spy and a cit.
spies8savannah (10:56:13 PM): and with a liar like him, how is it possible to know what he was really thinking
spies8savannah (10:56:34 PM): i dont think we can necessarily base zed's alignment off alexeis reveal.
spies8savannah (10:56:55 PM): it would be diff. if he felt one way or another, but it seems that he didnt.
spies8tina (10:57:32 PM): Ok.
spies8tina (10:58:02 PM): So, you thought that Alexei was what yesterday though.
spies8savannah (10:58:12 PM): uh what.
spies8tina (10:59:16 PM): Before exile one, what did you think he was.
spies8tina (10:59:28 PM): I get different reads from a few areas.
spies8savannah (10:59:32 PM): as i said i was leaning cit but i wasnt positive.
spies8tina (10:59:41 PM): Ok.
spies8savannah (10:59:50 PM): which i told zed.
spies8tina (11:01:04 PM): Hah. Sorry I was watching TV and completely got my train of thought derailed here.
spies8tina (11:01:06 PM): Sorry.
spies8savannah (11:01:16 PM): lmao its okay
spies8tina (11:03:34 PM): Alright then. I think im back on track. Curse Daniel Tosh.
spies8savannah (11:03:41 PM): hahah
spies8tina (11:04:20 PM): So. You were trying to get Zek lynched AND prevent a Alexei lynch?
spies8savannah (11:04:27 PM): um what?
spies8savannah (11:04:34 PM): why would i prevent an alexei lynch
spies8savannah (11:04:43 PM): when i just said i wasn confident that he was a citizen
spies8savannah (11:04:51 PM): that makes absolutely no sense.
spies8tina (11:05:01 PM): Well, I figured that ment you had somewhat of a citizen read of him on.
spies8savannah (11:05:13 PM): i did but not enought that i would prevent a lynch
spies8tina (11:05:20 PM): Ok, must be different wording.
spies8tina (11:05:37 PM): Usually to me that is someone that I would really rather not see exiled.
spies8savannah (11:06:06 PM): if i had a very strong cit read on him then i would maybe be trying to avoid it
spies8savannah (11:06:08 PM): but i didnt.
spies8tina (11:06:23 PM): Ok, so you really did not care if that exile occured.
spies8savannah (11:06:30 PM): not really lol
spies8savannah (11:06:44 PM): i just wanted people to be aware that zed was making a fool of himself in the chat
spies8savannah (11:06:44 PM):
spies8savannah (11:06:58 PM): i wasnt expecting people to really switch votes lol
spies8tina (11:07:11 PM): So on the topic of people making a fool of themselves, what are your Allan thoughts?
spies8savannah (11:07:16 PM): LOL
spies8savannah (11:07:23 PM): why would your purposely lie about something
spies8savannah (11:07:26 PM): i dont get him
spies8savannah (11:07:43 PM): also he thinks jenny is OTT and think she cant be a spy because shes nice
spies8tina (11:07:56 PM): He is worse than Zek to me.
spies8savannah (11:07:56 PM): i think that says enough.
spies8tina (11:08:07 PM): At least in incomprehesability.
spies8savannah (11:08:20 PM): lmao seriously hes just SO STUPID
spies8tina (11:09:11 PM): Going back to the Alexei point though, did you ever have any one on one chats with him?
spies8savannah (11:09:24 PM): i did as i posted
spies8savannah (11:09:34 PM): tina did you not read any of the things i posted in the burg?
spies8savannah (11:09:35 PM): lol
spies8tina (11:09:45 PM): I am reading through some of them as we talk.
spies8savannah (11:09:56 PM): it might be helpful to read first lol
spies8tina (11:10:00 PM): I have seen enough chat over the last few days to make things blur.
spies8savannah (11:10:22 PM): its getting very repetitive thats all, and pretty much answer to all your questions is posted
spies8savannah (11:10:35 PM): but yes we did have a one on one chat.
spies8tina (11:10:50 PM): I know. I just am still up in the air and trying to stop that.
spies8savannah (11:11:06 PM): actually we have discussed this one on one before i believe
spies8savannah (11:11:19 PM): but anyway continue
spies8tina (11:12:56 PM): Well, sorry again if this is getting repetitive, but in one of your responses to me you mention Zek, Steph and Themba as what look like a core three correct?
spies8savannah (11:13:18 PM): as in three suspects?
spies8tina (11:13:21 PM): Yes.
spies8savannah (11:13:33 PM): add jenny and make a core 4
spies8tina (11:13:44 PM): So not Allan or has that changed?
spies8savannah (11:13:56 PM): allan hasnt been a suspect of mine
spies8tina (11:14:10 PM): Just checking due to the most recent oddness.
spies8savannah (11:14:17 PM): lol no i didnt add him
spies8savannah (11:14:35 PM): i dont really think their is THAT much evidence against him, could change
spies8savannah (11:15:22 PM): zeds scumhunting this round has given more props in his favor; while i think his suspicions are weak, i think he is trying.
spies8tina (11:15:41 PM): Ok, so I guess one big question is why have you not really been putting up cases in the burg? For that matter, who is your best pick.
spies8savannah (11:15:55 PM): not everyone has been putting up cases in the burg.
spies8tina (11:15:57 PM): I do not like posting there since it is not my element, but I still try.
spies8savannah (11:16:09 PM): and i feel like ive discussed my suspicions with enough people that is not necessary.
spies8savannah (11:16:45 PM): if people feel as if i have to i can, but i have discussed my suspicions in the threads that have been made in the burg anyways.
spies8tina (11:17:57 PM): Ok, so which vote are you leaning to though?
spies8savannah (11:18:07 PM): lol is it bad that i dont know
spies8tina (11:18:24 PM): Probably yes, but I am stuck in a similar spot.
spies8savannah (11:18:35 PM): if jenny doesnt read the chat that she keeps saying she will by tomorrow, i will be voting for her
spies8savannah (11:18:45 PM): just because that will probably have hit the point of active lurking.
spies8tina (11:18:49 PM): Ah yes Jenny.
spies8savannah (11:19:12 PM): seriously ive asked her three times if she read that chat and her suspicions and she keeps saying shes getting to it
spies8tina (11:19:17 PM): It was a tale of two different approaches to Zek lynch between you to.
spies8savannah (11:19:30 PM): which i find very odd what else is she doing in her spare time when shes on AIM and posting chat logs.
spies8tina (11:19:36 PM): You were loud about it, she just was on it.
spies8savannah (11:19:46 PM): lol at least i stated my suspicions
spies8savannah (11:19:49 PM):
spies8tina (11:20:12 PM): Right, that is one thing that I have a rough time with.
spies8tina (11:21:04 PM): Very few people share that thought though.
spies8savannah (11:31:29 PM): sorry was posting my response to owen
spies8savannah (11:31:29 PM):
spies8tina (11:31:44 PM): I still am just mulling over a lot of things.
spies8savannah (11:31:52 PM): where is your head at this round
spies8tina (11:32:01 PM): It has been everywhere.
spies8savannah (11:32:08 PM): haha. know the feeling
spies8tina (11:32:55 PM): Jenny, Themba, Steph and you mostly. I just can not stick with a suspicion.
spies8tina (11:34:24 PM): Im almost to the point where I go back to my instinct vote of Jenny.
spies8savannah (11:35:24 PM): that is kind of where i am going too
spies8savannah (11:35:37 PM): it sucks because i really like her
spies8tina (11:35:39 PM): Boy tomorrow will be crazy.
spies8savannah (11:35:47 PM): lol it will
spies8tina (11:36:08 PM): She just apparently never realized the Alexei case or something.
spies8savannah (11:36:17 PM): lol shes on all the time
spies8savannah (11:36:18 PM):
spies8tina (11:36:21 PM): spies8jenny (2:26:53 PM):I heard that Lexi had some bad problems with keeping times straight, but I don't think I ever heard specific details about it.
spies8savannah (11:36:23 PM): not really sure thats possible
spies8tina (11:36:35 PM): That was monday.
spies8savannah (11:37:40 PM): or how she doesnt have reads on people, yet again is incredibly active
spies8savannah (11:37:56 PM): i swear ive asked her two or three times about you and she always says she doesnt have a strong read.
spies8tina (11:38:00 PM): Yes. She took a backseat to you for the Zek thing.
spies8savannah (11:38:18 PM): yeah she did. didnt really talk much at all.
spies8savannah (11:39:14 PM): but i think the thing that worries me the most is that chat lol.
spies8tina (11:39:30 PM): I would bring up the fact that when I first talked to her about Alexei she shut it down, but you and Steph did that too I think.
spies8savannah (11:39:33 PM): its like she doesnt need to read it cause she already knows who the spies are lmao
spies8tina (11:40:07 PM): spies8jenny (6:57:33 PM):Really? How does Alexei ring bells for you?
spies8tina (11:40:10 PM): spies8jenny (7:00:00 PM):I guess. Not really too big yet, but might as well keep an eye on him for now.
spies8savannah (11:40:18 PM): she always says that
spies8savannah (11:40:24 PM): like i swear about everyone lol
spies8savannah (11:40:25 PM):
spies8tina (11:40:34 PM): Next I hear from her in private was
spies8tina (11:40:39 PM): spies8jenny (10:05:13 PM):Alexei, I dunno. Could be I guess, but I want to see more from him first if he's still alive after tomorrow.
spies8savannah (11:40:48 PM): see. its like the same thing.
spies8tina (11:40:53 PM): Yes. I know.
spies8savannah (11:41:05 PM): doesnt that strike you peciliuar.
spies8tina (11:42:16 PM): Like I said, my very first instinct after Alexei flip was "ok Jenny is a spy".
spies8savannah (11:42:35 PM): lmao. i kind of thought jenny was a spy the first time i talked to her lol
spies8savannah (11:42:45 PM): i tried brushing it off cause she was really friendly.
spies8savannah (11:43:04 PM): but now im like, theres something up with this girl
spies8tina (11:43:11 PM): I still am not as good of a character judge. Come from playing with groups of friends at work which is why I like AIM more.
spies8tina (11:43:27 PM): I really miss visual tells.
spies8savannah (11:44:10 PM):
spies8savannah (11:44:19 PM): visual tells can be deceiving
spies8savannah (11:44:21 PM): however
spies8tina (11:44:44 PM): Sometimes.
spies8savannah (11:45:01 PM): =\
spies8tina (11:45:32 PM): They are dependable which is why they are tells, but I guess that applies to all types of tells.
spies8savannah (11:45:56 PM): yeah it does
spies8savannah (11:45:59 PM): =\
spies8savannah (11:46:26 PM): oh another observation: dane has taken a back seat this round, no
spies8tina (11:46:41 PM): He has, no one to fight with apparently.
spies8savannah (11:46:48 PM): lol true
~Themba~
spies8tina (9:10:47 PM): Hello. I have a few questions if you have time here.
spies8themba (9:10:55 PM): Go for it hun.
spies8themba (9:11:03 PM): I am at work though, just fyi.
spies8tina (9:11:32 PM): Ok. First off, who are you voting right now out of curiosity.
spies8themba (9:11:59 PM): Right now I am still on Zed. Though Nita makes some good points about Sav/Zed/Alexei.
spies8themba (9:12:18 PM): But I want to look into Rondak a little. We haven't spoken and I think we need to.
spies8tina (9:13:19 PM): Ok. What was your thought process around the last end of the first day though.
spies8tina (9:13:30 PM): You were on Dane for a while, when did that change to Alexei?
spies8tina (9:13:42 PM): I never saw when that happened.
spies8themba (9:14:37 PM): When I posted it changed, in the group chat. There's snippets of my discussion with Alexei in my responses to Zed and Hambone, and there's the full recollection in the group chat. I changed then.
spies8tina (9:16:29 PM): So the tipping point was the comment about voting Dane just to get rid of him?
spies8themba (9:16:48 PM): Yep.
spies8tina (9:16:59 PM): Was there a buildup or was it just that?
spies8themba (9:17:02 PM): Dane can also verify that - we were talking on IM's at the same time.
spies8themba (9:17:36 PM): I looked at what you guys had posted, and what you sent me about him and agreeing to Steph's ideas on Dane. So I asked him about that in the chat too.
spies8tina (9:18:43 PM): Ok, so you were already debating a change before that point?
spies8themba (9:19:47 PM): From Dane to Zed do you mean? My vote on Dane was tentative, as many first votes are, pending further information. If something came to light which was stronger, I would of course move my vote to that person. Same as I did from Alex to Zed.
spies8tina (9:20:58 PM): Ok, so at the time you moved from Dane to Alexei still did not have a clear suspect?
spies8themba (9:21:55 PM): Dane was my suspect, hence I was voting for him. It was not clear. Nothing was clear that early on.
spies8tina (9:22:29 PM): Ok. What was the tipping point back to Zek then? The HQ comment?
spies8tina (9:22:45 PM): Before that too, what was your thoughts of him.
spies8themba (9:23:57 PM): The HQ comment definitely tipped it for me, and he just cannot address anything head on it seems.
spies8themba (9:24:22 PM): My thoughts were he was just useless - question was, was he a useless cit or a useless spy?
spies8themba (9:24:50 PM): almost nothing of what he writes makes sense to me. apart from a couple of bits in his thread today i guess.
spies8tina (9:26:22 PM): And you already said that you are still voting Zek right now?
spies8tina (9:26:31 PM): With Savannah as a second pick?
spies8themba (9:26:49 PM): At this point. If I had to pick right now, I'd have to still pick Zed. No, Sav is not a second choice.
spies8themba (9:27:25 PM): I don't know who would be. I really want to chat to Rondak and also go through the Alexei-related stuff again, because I missed all the chats apart from his last one.
spies8tina (9:29:33 PM): Well, that is all I can think of right now. Any return questions?
spies8themba (9:30:37 PM): If you had to vote right now, who would it be and why? And, why do you think no one has come after you yet for switching?
spies8tina (9:31:43 PM): Have my tenative vote on you that went up right after imprisonment. I am likely going to be between you and Savannah for this next exile to be straight up.
spies8tina (9:31:50 PM): Also people have asked me about it a bit.
spies8tina (9:32:38 PM): I was one of the people who contributed the most to the Alexei wagon, especially early on. So I think that most people have a medium citizen read on me even though I changed it.
spies8themba (9:33:08 PM): You're the second person to say that they're voting me after imprisonment/exile. Why do you think I am a Spy? I think my explanations of my actions have been open and well documented?
spies8tina (9:34:25 PM): The one odd one to me was the comment over the "giving up".
spies8tina (9:35:20 PM): Looking back at it, I got a feeling that you were trying to attach your name to have made the case, when I had little idea of where you stood on it for most of the game up to that point.
spies8themba (9:35:47 PM): Interesting. And I was, but only to that point.
spies8tina (9:36:00 PM): Soon after that very confident statement, your vote changed, which again was odd to me.
spies8tina (9:36:37 PM): I could have seen a spy trying to get credit for it with a move like that. Untill that point it was mainly myself and Nita, and to a lesser but noticeable exent, Owen.
spies8themba (9:37:48 PM): Sure, well I was definitely only pointing out that he gave up. And I can see your concerns about the switch vote, but like I said, I was literally 45/55 between the 2. I took a guess. May have been wrong. May have also been right.
spies8tina (9:38:11 PM): You read like it was a whole lot stronger than 45/55 to a lot of people there.
spies8themba (9:39:33 PM): well you could never be 100% sure it was a give up can you? you can hope, but you can't know until he's out of the game. if he flipped cit, maybe i would've looked silly for suggesting he did give up.
spies8tina (9:40:23 PM): Well, you said it so you had to think it was fairly likely.
spies8tina (9:40:53 PM): If you did not there would have been no reason to.
spies8themba (9:40:59 PM): Hopeful moreso than likely.
spies8themba (9:41:04 PM): Hopefull
spies8themba (9:41:59 PM): I say things all the time without thought Tina, as you may see with time. I don't need to second guess the effects of my comments. I am not cautious like that. I have no reason to be.
spies8tina (9:42:08 PM): Hah.
spies8themba (9:43:33 PM): lol. it's true. i will brb.
spies8tina (9:43:50 PM): Ok. I am about out of questions at this point however.
spies8themba (9:47:42 PM): Np. The only other thing I wanted to say is... if i was a spy, wouldn't it have been easier for me to just stay where i was, on my lame spybuddy, rather than change to zed and risk all of this scrutiny? Just a thought for you. Cause I really don't want to be exiled yet.
spies8tina (9:48:32 PM): It is something that I have thought about.
spies8themba (9:48:40 PM): Cool.
spies8tina (9:48:45 PM): My vote is far from anything concrete right now.
spies8themba (9:48:55 PM): Cool again.
spies8themba (9:49:08 PM): TY for questioning me, rather than just voting.
spies8tina (9:49:24 PM): You have to question people. That is the game.
spies8themba (9:49:35 PM): Try telling that to some people
spies8tina (9:49:38 PM): If you are not, you are doing something wrong.
spies8tina (9:49:50 PM): Even if you have to PM people, it beats blind vote.
spies8themba (9:49:56 PM): agreed.
~Nita~
spies8tina (12:40:30 PM): Hey there.
spies8tina (12:40:37 PM): Have you talked with Gabe at all?
spies8nita (12:40:43 PM): Hola Tina!
spies8nita (12:40:51 PM): Last night, a little
spies8nita (12:41:06 PM): He cute, made an anagram alliance chat
spies8tina (12:41:17 PM): I am sure he told you he would much rather go for Savannah than Jenny?
spies8nita (12:41:31 PM): I know he suspect her from last round
spies8tina (12:42:28 PM): He told me that he would rather exile her. He had been set on that since about 36 hours into the game however.
spies8nita (12:43:02 PM): So Gabriel stubborn. Let me look up his reasons for her again. I ask last round.
spies8nita (12:45:04 PM): Maybe I no post this chat? I can't find it
spies8nita (12:45:13 PM): I remember he talked bout her wantin to exile lurkers
spies8nita (12:45:19 PM): And how she said before she no wanna do that
spies8tina (12:45:33 PM): I have that one somewhere.
spies8nita (12:45:41 PM): But I talk to her and she say she want to exile Zedekiah for other reasons, ella no mention lurking at all
spies8nita (12:45:57 PM): So maybe he exaggeratin
spies8nita (12:46:01 PM): Or not rememberin right
spies8tina (12:46:09 PM): It was quite a bit due to Zek not doing any spy hunting.
spies8nita (12:46:27 PM): Right
spies8tina (12:46:39 PM): spies8savannah (5:10:14 PM):well spies can be lurkers lolspies8jenny (5:10:16 PM):Agreed.spies8savannah (5:10:18 PM):butspies8savannah (5:10:29 PM):its probably NOT the best solution
spies8tina (12:46:49 PM): Ok I give up, how do you copy nicely.
spies8tina (12:47:01 PM): spies8savannah (5:12:27 PM):i guess lurkers wind up getting lynched cause there really isnt much to go on the first round
spies8tina (12:47:08 PM): spies8savannah (5:12:52 PM):i guess its better than falsely eliminating a good cit
spies8nita (12:47:25 PM): She tell me she no believe him bout the Zedekiah logoff thing
spies8nita (12:47:47 PM): That was the main reason
spies8nita (12:47:57 PM): This was 2 days ago, before Zed be all stupid in chat
spies8tina (12:48:16 PM): One of my bigger fears right now is that Zek is actually a spy to, and that is a big reason that Alexei was unable to keep suspicions of him straight.
spies8tina (12:48:31 PM): Am I justified or paranoid in that?
spies8nita (12:48:58 PM): From the questionin, and how he changed from "cit" to "unsure" I don't know
spies8nita (12:49:11 PM): How Alexei questioned Zed I mean. Seemed like the hombre was out for blood
spies8tina (12:49:31 PM): That was going with the flow of the chat however.
spies8tina (12:49:53 PM): When he first came in, he told me he did not know what Zek was.
spies8tina (12:50:05 PM): Which outright conflicts with what he had just told Jenny.
spies8tina (12:50:11 PM): When people attacked Zek, he joined in.
spies8tina (12:50:19 PM): The next day people were not as sure, his mind changed.
spies8nita (12:50:22 PM): What he tell to Jenny?
spies8tina (12:50:30 PM): Zek was "def a spy"
spies8tina (12:50:44 PM): A few minutes before I asked him stuff in public.
spies8tina (12:51:22 PM): spies8alexei (7:20:46 PM):I personally think he's definitely a spy
spies8nita (12:51:43 PM): I thought he say to you Zek was almost citizen, that's what you point out in the chat, that Alexei say almost citizen but still put him in top 2
spies8tina (12:51:45 PM): That was from a log between Jenny and Alexei, right before he started posting in public.
spies8tina (12:51:56 PM): He was all over.
spies8nita (12:52:08 PM): I'm ain't followin. When was this?
spies8tina (12:52:27 PM): That was right before I asked him stuff in that first big chat. Where it all began.
spies8tina (12:52:42 PM): spies8alexei (6:25:16 PM):either way, I think it's suspicious
spies8alexei (6:25:41 PM):I'm saying I believe him, but there is no reason not to talk to us
spies8tina 4:45 pm
So at that point you had no idea what his alignment was?
spies8alexei 4:45 pm
yes
spies8tina (12:53:02 PM): These (timezone differences aside) came just after the first one, and a subsequent explaination of them.
spies8tina (12:54:12 PM): From what I can tell though. At X:20, Alexei tells Jenny "Zek is def a spy". At X:25, he publicly posts the above, later he says he did not know what his alignment was. At the end of that chat, Zek was called a spy by him again.
spies8tina (12:54:36 PM): Between the end of that chat, and when I talked to him, Alexei had spoken to Zek, and then considered him a citizen.
spies8tina (12:55:05 PM): What you posted, I think came from Owen. Alexei told me it was due to "not having any suspicions, so just naming someone who was getting votes"
spies8tina (12:55:33 PM): Complicated stuff. I just have that nagging feeling that this could have been due to Alexei trying not to bus a partner.
spies8tina (12:56:52 PM): The story was god awful from Alexei, and I still am mad at myself for changing. The fact that he said he was voting Steph just struck me as genuine.
spies8nita (12:57:04 PM): But what difference it make? Zedekiah no go after Dane, so why it matter?
spies8nita (12:57:11 PM): It bother his conscious?
spies8nita (12:57:27 PM): If the two be on the same side, why no work together? I no see none of that
spies8nita (12:57:44 PM): Unless some role say spies no allowed to vote other spies
spies8nita (12:57:53 PM): But with logic, I no see it
spies8tina (12:58:00 PM): That is true.
spies8nita (12:58:21 PM): Zedekiah go after Allan, Alexei go after Dane y Stephanie, no workin together
spies8tina (12:58:33 PM): Rondak brought it up to me at one point and I laughed it off. During routes today I wondered if I was too quick to judge.
spies8nita (12:59:27 PM): I ain't decided bout Zedekiah one way or the other
spies8nita (12:59:54 PM): El es estupido y inutil, stupid and useless, so he could be doin what he wants just because he never make sense
spies8nita (1:00:05 PM): Could be a stupid spy or a stupid citizen, I don't know
spies8tina (1:00:16 PM): Right, that is the challenge.
spies8nita (1:00:30 PM): So maybe the best thing is to watch how others interact with him
spies8tina (1:01:33 PM): Same applies with Allan.
spies8nita (1:01:42 PM): Y Kiara y Dane
spies8tina (1:01:43 PM): Although I think he is just an idiot town.
spies8tina (1:02:03 PM): Kiara was receptive of the Alexei case when I first brought it up.
spies8nita (1:02:13 PM): Si. receptive to me too
spies8nita (1:02:23 PM): Out of the 4 stupids she is the one I am least worried bout
spies8tina (1:02:27 PM): Did not push it, but did not do anything to cut it down.
spies8nita (1:02:27 PM): But not votin, that be stupid
spies8tina (1:03:14 PM): I have to think Dane may be town as well. We seem to have quite a few "unsmart" players, but I think they all could easily be citizens.
spies8nita (1:04:05 PM): You too quick to trust Tina!
spies8nita (1:04:16 PM): Maybe watch for longer before decidin
spies8tina (1:04:32 PM): It is not strong trust.
spies8nita (1:04:35 PM): People, they get ideas in their heads y they don't want to let go, don't want to be wrong
spies8tina (1:04:49 PM): I have Citizen, Probably Citizen, Probably Spy and Spy categories.
spies8tina (1:04:56 PM): All of them are in probably citizen.
spies8nita (1:06:01 PM): Who in the other 3?
spies8tina (1:06:40 PM): Citizen is you, Gabe and Hambone with Owen and Dane on the edge.
spies8tina (1:07:16 PM): PC is Owen and Dane then Allan, Steph, Kiara and Zed.
spies8tina (1:07:31 PM): PS is Rondak, Themba and Savannah.
spies8tina (1:07:35 PM): Spy I have as Jenny.
spies8nita (1:07:57 PM): Rondak, that's interestin. Ain't thought much bout him at all.
spies8nita (1:08:05 PM): he kinda doin what Allan accused me of - hidin behind character
spies8tina (1:08:07 PM): Gabe brought up a good point.
spies8tina (1:08:16 PM): One spy probably voted Alexei.
spies8nita (1:08:30 PM): I'm avoidin quota guessin systems
spies8nita (1:08:48 PM): For all we know, everyone but me who voted Alexei is a spy lookin to take credit
spies8tina (1:09:03 PM): Good to do, but when two hours before exile he had nine votes, chances are there.
spies8tina (1:09:19 PM): I just have been uneasy around him the whole time.
spies8tina (1:09:31 PM): He claims to have never played before, but is doing some roleplaying.
spies8tina (1:09:43 PM): Is it normal for people who have never played to roleplay?
spies8tina (1:09:56 PM): I think that is something you would only do if you were comfortable with the setup.
spies8nita (1:09:57 PM): I ain't never played y Allan thinks that's what I'm doin
spies8nita (1:10:17 PM): You could test that by lookin at the first spies game y seein if anyone roleplayed there
spies8tina (1:11:00 PM): A few things with a chat with him made me feel twitchy.
spies8nita (1:11:12 PM): Anythin in particular?
spies8tina (1:12:12 PM): spies8rondak (5:40:19 PM):I talked to him once individually.spies8rondak (5::32 PM):
spies8tina (1:12:23 PM): spies8rondak (5:40:32 PM):And, for some reason, I was suspicious of him.
spies8tina (1:12:38 PM): spies8rondak (5:41:33 PM):And, if he turns up as a Spy, it's reasonable to think that we have the majority amount of Spies over here.
spies8tina (1:13:12 PM): That just suprised me.
spies8tina (1:13:31 PM): The first one due to me never have hadding heard of Ronak putting anything up on Alexei.
spies8nita (1:13:32 PM): That he no give no reasons?
spies8tina (1:13:44 PM): The second because, well I see no way to get to that point.
spies8nita (1:13:49 PM): Me neither
spies8nita (1:14:04 PM): He mean in terms of odds of us hittin a spy or what?
spies8tina (1:14:38 PM): I am not sure.
spies8tina (1:15:02 PM): We got into him thinking Zek could easily be a spy with Alexei shortly after.
spies8nita (1:15:03 PM): Weird thing to say
spies8tina (1:15:13 PM): Right, it struck me as odd.
spies8nita (1:15:24 PM): He say he think the 2 are both spies?
spies8tina (1:15:48 PM): spies8rondak (5:47:42 PM):If he was a Spy, and he knew Zek was a citizen, would he not be more certain?
spies8tina (1:15:56 PM): spies8rondak (5:49:35 PM):If he is a Spy, then, maybe Alexei could just be trying to scale back the damage for Zed.
spies8nita (1:17:47 PM): Which would have been more effective if Alexei actually voted Zed, no?
spies8nita (1:18:06 PM): Maybe Alexei no vote Zedekiah because votin him would make him look like a citizen
spies8nita (1:18:19 PM): Y Zedekiah still looks like a good option with 4 votes
spies8tina (1:18:40 PM): Right, which is why I think Alexei voting Dane made Dane somewhat citizen.
spies8tina (1:19:00 PM): It was a weak case on a player who had lot of discussion around him.
spies8tina (1:19:10 PM): Possibly best survival chance.
spies8nita (1:20:24 PM): What bout Themba?
spies8nita (1:20:36 PM): I go back and forth with her
spies8tina (1:20:51 PM): Good pick for spy.
spies8nita (1:21:06 PM): She quick to declare a vote for Dane when Alexei case goes up, y she switch to Zedekiah right before exile like she was lookin for an excuse
spies8nita (1:21:26 PM): But she also the one to point out when Alexei said bye in the chat that he sounded like he was outtin himself as a spy
spies8tina (1:21:31 PM): When I think Themba, I think getting mad at Dane more than anything about Zek or Alexei, which is bad to start.
spies8nita (1:22:15 PM): Si, so coincidence that she target Dane y Zedekiah, like Alexei? maybe not
spies8nita (1:22:36 PM): Alexei never say Themba spylike for postin bout no exile y that was a popular argument
spies8tina (1:22:51 PM): Did he ever even mention her to start?
spies8nita (1:22:58 PM): Why Alexei pick up the Zed argument y the Dane argument but never Themba?
spies8nita (1:23:06 PM): I don't think so?
spies8tina (1:23:16 PM): It is a good spot to look.
spies8tina (1:23:29 PM): By no means would it be an exile that I did not like.
spies8tina (1:24:02 PM): It is why she is in the group with Rondak.
spies8tina (1:24:29 PM): I have very little if any reason to think they are a citizen, but not tons to think they are spy.
spies8nita (1:26:03 PM): She also say she votin Alexei in the votin thread, but it be about 1 comment Alexei make: when he tell dane the game would be better off without him even if he was a citizen
~
Tuesday, June 22, 2010
spies8tina (1:49:44 PM): Well, the post from Zek is surprising to say the least.
spies8tina (1:49:55 PM): Did not think that he had that much logic in him.
spies8nita (1:50:07 PM): Yo tampoco! But I'm glad we wrong
spies8nita (1:50:28 PM): I'm gonna comment on it if I can think of somethin to say
spies8nita (1:50:34 PM): Encourage him to keep doin what he doin
spies8tina (1:50:40 PM): It apparently is turning into Zek-Themba.
spies8tina (1:51:22 PM): I just can not figure out of my initial read was right on Zek or not.
spies8tina (1:51:47 PM): If it was right, which I am actually leaning towards again, Themba looks to be the better vote.
spies8tina (1:52:14 PM): If not, it would strongly suggest Themba town.
spies8tina (1:52:35 PM): As trying to move the wagon from a spy to a spy at the last minute as a spy? Makes zero sense.
spies8nita (1:53:01 PM): It bein the exile?
spies8nita (1:53:21 PM): Y si, make no sense because it bring extra attention
spies8nita (1:53:26 PM): But sometiimes people make no sense, si?
spies8tina (1:53:34 PM): This game has proven that.
spies8nita (1:53:48 PM): Como? How?
spies8tina (1:54:07 PM): Most things Zek as said. The whole quitting thing from last night.
spies8tina (1:54:23 PM): People are curious.
spies8nita (1:54:40 PM): Like Alexei quttin? Si
spies8nita (1:54:43 PM): That what I was thinkin
spies8nita (1:54:46 PM): Oh, Allan
spies8nita (1:54:49 PM): Him tambien
spies8tina (1:55:03 PM): I just think that Themba would know enough that as spy to not make that move if Zek is also a spy.
spies8nita (1:55:12 PM): I ain't gonna try to guess what themba would do if she be a spy
spies8nita (1:55:26 PM): Here's my problem with what she did
spies8nita (1:56:15 PM): What Zedekiah post
spies8nita (1:56:51 PM): Shortenin it
spies8nita (1:56:52 PM): spies8zedekiah: I see, what were yer reasons fer suspectin (Alexei) so strongly then?
spies8themba: my main, convincing reason was the group chat where he basically laid down and died and admitted being maffy. doesn't take much more than that for me. he made an odd comment about lynching dane regardless of alliance, then that he believed steph's evidence but had no evidence of his own. then we pressed him, and in the end he just went ok then.
spies8zedekiah: so you reckon he was sure t' be scum, yet you changed yer vote t' me at the last second?
spies8themba: no i am not sure if anyone is scum.
spies8zedekiah: but ye jus claimed that he "admitted" his guilt.
spies8themba: it can never be a 100% case until they're dead and the alliance is revealed.
spies8nita (1:57:11 PM): So she has great reasons for suspectin Alexei, si?
spies8nita (1:57:30 PM): Made an odd comment bout lynchin Dane, believed Steph's evidence with no evidence of his own, laid down y admitted being mafia
spies8nita (1:57:32 PM): She say this
spies8nita (1:57:58 PM): She say "doesn't take much more than that for me"
spies8nita (1:58:09 PM): Like "I know scum when I see it y that's scum"
spies8nita (1:58:20 PM): That's good
spies8nita (1:58:21 PM): But
spies8nita (1:58:30 PM): She change her vote. Zedekiah call her out on it
spies8tina (1:58:35 PM): Right, things changed soon after.
spies8nita (1:58:37 PM): Y she say "she only 55% certain" in public chat
spies8nita (1:58:42 PM): 55/45 she keep sayin
spies8nita (1:58:46 PM): 45/55, 55/45
spies8tina (1:58:53 PM): That is what got me, her "It is very close" the entire time.
spies8nita (1:59:08 PM): She say most of the time it don't get no better than that
spies8nita (1:59:14 PM): And she still 45/55, 55/45, 45/55
spies8nita (1:59:19 PM): Keepini her options open
spies8nita (1:59:45 PM): So I think she was tryin to avoid what Alexei did - Alexei no know details of cases y he get called out on it
spies8nita (1:59:51 PM): Themba tryin to show she know the details
spies8nita (2:00:08 PM): While also givin her room to change to Zedekiah if she had to
spies8tina (2:00:59 PM): Right. There was never a solid stance there, much more fluid compared to others.
spies8tina (2:02:00 PM): spies8themba 8:34 pm
i think he may well be a spy, but i am unsure. i think you are both possible spies, and it's a 50/50 at the moment as to who i vote for. i vote who i see has the strongest case against them. and now i feel that is you.
spies8tina (2:02:04 PM): If my timezones are right.
spies8tina (2:02:16 PM): This was Themba to Zek about half an hour to do.
spies8tina (2:02:20 PM): To go.
spies8tina (2:04:11 PM): spies8themba (6:59:13 PM):am doing it now. but thanks for the advice Nita.
spies8nita (2:04:15 PM): Why give him anythin to work with?
spies8tina (2:04:18 PM): Themba in public an hour before.
spies8nita (2:04:20 PM): She was talkin bout postin her reasons
spies8nita (2:04:24 PM): For why Zedekiah
spies8nita (2:04:28 PM): She originally didn't post none
spies8tina (2:09:02 PM): I am also still interested on why she was on Alexei.
spies8nita (2:09:14 PM): Themba? She list the points, no?
spies8tina (2:09:25 PM): I mean the fact that she never talked with him.
spies8tina (2:09:30 PM): Ever.
spies8tina (2:09:33 PM): spies8themba (6:44:02 PM):i've NEVER spoken to him in private.
spies8nita (2:09:39 PM): Maybe so she no worry bout postin chats?
spies8nita (2:09:48 PM): Seem like hafl the group did
spies8nita (2:09:54 PM): Y she voted him
spies8tina (2:10:03 PM): Easily could be, but if you are going to vote someone, you would at least PM them something.
spies8nita (2:10:15 PM): I agree
spies8tina (2:10:20 PM): They were on at the same time too at some points too I would have to assume.
spies8tina (2:11:10 PM): Also there was the "admitted he was a spy" thing.
spies8tina (2:11:46 PM): Seemed like it was a bit much of a jump.
spies8nita (2:12:07 PM): Jenny defend it
spies8tina (2:12:13 PM): More of a "Guys look. I added to the case." thing.
spies8nita (2:12:14 PM): But Jenny also defend Alexei a few other times
spies8nita (2:13:14 PM): You not considerin Savannah or Jenny anymore? Por que?
spies8tina (2:13:39 PM): Both a bit less at this point.
spies8tina (2:14:12 PM): Jenny I am not as sure on. That chat right before the Alexei thing he gave me I have continually been reading.
spies8nita (2:14:22 PM): If Alexei give you it, he could change it, no?
spies8tina (2:14:33 PM): Looking back through logs with Jenny, she did refrence it well though.
spies8tina (2:14:46 PM): That was before I recieved the log too.
spies8nita (2:14:48 PM): In the group chat?
spies8tina (2:15:18 PM): spies8jenny (7:00:22 PM):He's telling me he's pretty sure that Zeddy is a spy.
spies8tina (2:15:20 PM): spies8jenny (7:00:52 PM):Saying he's not convinced about the whole thing.
spies8tina (2:15:34 PM): That was maybe half an hour after Alexei started talking.
spies8tina (2:16:01 PM): (7:20:46 PM):I personally think he's definitely a spy
spies8tina (2:16:12 PM): spies8alexei (7:26:02 PM):yeahspies8alexei (7:30:00 PM):I'm still not convinced
spies8tina (2:16:54 PM): That was Alexei to Jenny, timezone adjusted 30-40 minutes prior.
spies8nita (2:17:13 PM): I just say be careful, they could have decided to fake a chat then
spies8tina (2:17:15 PM): Just for some reason I keep thinking about those few lines when I think of Jenny-spy.
spies8nita (2:17:18 PM): You clear Jenny, you do it for other reasons
spies8nita (2:17:33 PM): Like if she really tryin to find mafia
spies8tina (2:17:45 PM): It just is one of the nagging things.
spies8tina (2:17:52 PM): I have too many nagging things.
spies8nita (2:18:04 PM): Chica I know what you mean
spies8tina (2:18:15 PM): They already have got the best of me once.
spies8nita (2:18:29 PM): between the Zedekiah voters y Allan y Zedekiah, y people accusin the Alexei voters, anythin could be the truth
spies8nita (2:18:38 PM): Plus we no even know how many spies we dealin with
spies8tina (2:18:49 PM): Correct.
spies8tina (2:19:07 PM): Even though the chance of Alexei just being here alone is very low.
spies8nita (2:19:43 PM): Si, I don't know the odds but it seem like 1/7 ain't that good
spies8tina (2:19:51 PM): Roughly 5%?
spies8tina (2:19:54 PM): I think.
spies8tina (2:20:30 PM): Savannah-Jenny is odd though.
spies8tina (2:20:49 PM): You can not deny that Savannah is putting more effort into the game on the trying to push things area.
spies8tina (2:21:04 PM): Jenny. I do not know what she is up to most of the time.
spies8nita (2:21:21 PM): Si, Savannah flip out
spies8nita (2:21:26 PM): You see her in the chat?
spies8nita (2:21:28 PM): She was goin nuts
spies8tina (2:21:57 PM): Correct. If people were refusing to listen to me though about what I thought was a sure thing, I would have gone over the edge too.
spies8tina (2:22:06 PM): Maybe a much lower edge, but not stayed calm.
spies8nita (2:22:11 PM): [21:30] spies8savannah: see my point
[21:30] spies8savannah: POSTING USELESS INFORMATION
[21:30] spies8hambone: ya
[21:30] spies8savannah: and somehow
[21:30] spies8savannah: no one finds this supicious
[21:30] spies8savannah: like i feel like im talking to a wall half the time
[21:30] spies8savannah: x_______x
spies8tina (2:22:51 PM): I just think Themba edges out the rest of the field right now for me.
spies8tina (2:23:20 PM): Although three wagons of Themba-Jenny-Zek would be a good thing I think.
spies8tina (2:23:41 PM): I would enjoy seeing something like that occur.
spies8nita (2:25:19 PM): For me I think it be Savannah Themba Jenny
spies8nita (2:25:24 PM): In that order
spies8tina (2:25:49 PM): I would need to have a decent talk with each of Savannah and Jenny before a vote went through.
spies8tina (2:27:34 PM): Brought up Alexei very shortly after the chat to Jenny, and she was not that interested in it.
spies8tina (2:27:43 PM): spies8jenny (7:00:00 PM):I guess. Not really too big yet, but might as well keep an eye on him for now.
spies8tina (2:28:04 PM): Was more into what was going on with Zek, trying to argue me that way.
spies8tina (2:28:45 PM): spies8jenny (10:05:13 PM):Alexei, I dunno. Could be I guess, but I want to see more from him first if he's still alive after tomorrow.
spies8tina (2:28:58 PM): Just under 24 to exile.
spies8tina (2:29:30 PM): spies8jenny (10:05:50 PM):I'd be depressed too if I thought I was the first exile.
spies8tina (2:29:32 PM): spies8jenny (10:07:17 PM):I don't really see anyone just go "oh well, good game" this early actually, unless it's bloody obvious they're going for some reason.
spies8tina (2:29:41 PM): spies8jenny (10:19:41 PM):Because Zeddy makes more sense to me then the other choices.
spies8tina (2:30:04 PM): Savannah was much more in public trying to get people to change.
spies8tina (2:30:09 PM): Privately, it was more Jenny.
spies8tina (2:31:47 PM): I know Jenny still seems to want a Zek exile.
spies8nita (2:32:50 PM): I know she say that but I no get it
spies8nita (2:33:08 PM): Why somethin like "didnt know how to logoff" be better than "made up stuff botu his suspects"?
spies8tina (2:34:08 PM): I think it was because she wanted it to.
spies8nita (2:35:58 PM): can't argue with that
spies8nita (2:36:06 PM): Just frustratin
spies8nita (2:36:33 PM): Also frustratin thinkin I'm gonna be imprisoned
spies8nita (2:36:34 PM): I no like that
spies8nita (2:36:47 PM): Themba y Dane, they both like to remind me of that
spies8tina (2:37:20 PM): I would be surprised if it was not one of us, outside chance Owen or whoever people think is town on other side.
spies8nita (2:38:09 PM): I must go chica
spies8nita (2:38:14 PM): If I no see you later, good luck tonight
spies8tina (2:38:20 PM): You too.
spies8nita signed off at 2:40:25 PM
spies8Nita (9:18:36 PM): Am I goin crazy? What part of what I'm sayin make no sense?
spies8tina (9:19:15 PM): You are making sense. People just have a hard time letting go of inital ideas usually.
Wednesday, June 23, 2010
spies8tina (4:19:33 PM): So where are you between Steph and Savannah now?
spies8tina (4:20:54 PM): Both of them are fairly decent exiles. It just comes down to Steph really being insane or spy.
spies8tina (4:21:12 PM): I get glimmers of each from last night.
spies8nita (4:22:03 PM): I could go either way
spies8nita (4:22:18 PM): Stephanie, her reasons for her big suspects are baloney, si?
spies8nita (4:22:26 PM): Her stance on Zedekiah fence-sittin
spies8tina (4:22:33 PM): Her reasons appear made up or flat out wrong.
spies8nita (4:22:36 PM): Her stance on Alexei inconsistent
spies8tina (4:22:49 PM): She is tailoring them to make her appear better.
spies8nita (4:23:09 PM): I also wonder if she namin people without current suspicions on them to start buildin them up as suspects early
spies8tina (4:23:13 PM): At least that is what it seems, given how they progress.
spies8nita (4:23:21 PM): Who name Dane first? She did. Wasn't a legitimate stance but she do it
spies8nita (4:23:34 PM): Who she namin now? Owen y Rondak. No one suspectin them, maybe she tryin to get people to start that
spies8tina (4:23:56 PM): Owen suspicion is awful.
spies8nita (4:23:59 PM): Si, real bad
spies8nita (4:24:08 PM): So Stephanie, si, I can see her bein a spy
spies8nita (4:24:13 PM): Savannah, she too
spies8tina (4:24:27 PM): Well, maybe they can even be together.
spies8nita (4:24:29 PM): Her pushin Zedekiah an hour before exile, maybe to save Alexei
spies8nita (4:24:30 PM): Si
spies8nita (4:24:50 PM): Her comments on talkin to Alexei - she say he convince her he cit, but she no give no reaosns why
spies8tina (4:24:58 PM): Steph is very vauge on Savvanah. I do not even think that Savannah has mentioned Steph.
spies8nita (4:25:00 PM): Y her sayin she would rather vote for a dummy than a liar?
spies8nita (4:25:08 PM): I talk to Savannah today bout Stephanie
spies8nita (4:25:12 PM): Un momento
spies8nita (4:25:33 PM): The one thing she keep sayin es
spies8nita (4:25:49 PM): Stephanie comes off as pretty smart to Savannah, so Savannah know Stephanie not a fool
spies8nita (4:26:01 PM): She also say Stephanie barely talk even though she online a lot
spies8tina (4:26:17 PM): Steph is someone who will rarely seek out a conversation.
spies8nita (4:26:28 PM): Said her reasons were off y she needs to be watched, but she no do anythin super suspicious
spies8tina (4:26:45 PM): Also was one of the two who made me twitch when she send me a "good job" message after Alexei exile.
spies8nita (4:26:59 PM): bad vibe?
spies8tina (4:27:12 PM): Right.
spies8tina (4:27:38 PM): I think she oversells her reaction to Alexei at first too, a whole lot.
spies8tina (4:27:49 PM): Especially comparing it to that of Owen and Kiara.
spies8tina (4:28:10 PM): Those two acted ready to vote him off the first night. Steph appeared to want a exiled Zek.
spies8nita (4:28:26 PM): Si
spies8nita (4:28:56 PM): Oh I think of one thing
spies8tina (4:29:00 PM): I think I need to make a case on Steph, even though I am leaning slightly to a Savannah vote.
spies8tina (4:30:21 PM): It could be a very good way to get a read, if it is all publicized.
spies8nita (4:30:32 PM): This post here
spies8nita (4:30:33 PM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gop&thread=293&page=1#1335
spies8nita (4:30:40 PM): look for word "rule"
spies8nita (4:32:21 PM): I just remember bout this
spies8tina (4:33:35 PM): Ah yes.
spies8nita (4:34:06 PM): Fake o no?
spies8tina (4:34:51 PM): Hard to tell, there is no real logic behind it.
spies8tina (4:34:59 PM): And no reaction points.
spies8nita (4:35:19 PM): I no tell either
spies8nita (4:35:23 PM): Could be either
spies8tina (4:36:14 PM): I would not be surprised if it was a fake, but do not know much of what to look for.
spies8nita (4:36:59 PM): So it ain't conclusive
spies8tina (4:37:29 PM): I do not think that it is conclusive.
spies8nita (4:38:37 PM): I goin soon chica
spies8nita (4:38:48 PM): When I get back later I read Gabriels' case
spies8tina (4:39:01 PM): Ok. I think I will be on and off for the whole night.
spies8nita (4:41:55 PM): Bien
spies8nita went away at 4:47:20 PM
spies8nita signed off at 5:05:36 PM
spies8tina (10:02:59 PM): You know, life really sucks when there are three people on your side that you have to decide if they are just crazy or spies.
spies8Nita (10:03:15 PM): Si!!!
spies8Nita (10:03:29 PM): Stephanie obviously, who the other two you thinkin of?
spies8Nita (10:03:34 PM): Because I think they all crazy
spies8Nita (10:03:38 PM): Themba, she so emotional
spies8tina (10:03:41 PM): Zek although I think he is a citizen at this point.
spies8Nita (10:03:48 PM): Zedekiah, si, he crazy
spies8Nita (10:03:50 PM): Dane he crazy drunk
spies8Nita (10:04:05 PM): Rondak, he crazy elf. Hambone, he innocent cryin kid
spies8tina (10:04:09 PM): Allan now is just being more confusing than his whole do nothing and quite thing.
spies8Nita (10:04:17 PM): Allan, I really think he just lazy
spies8tina (10:04:37 PM): True, Hambone is a bit emotional for a bodybuilder.
spies8Nita (10:04:37 PM): He emotional crazy too
spies8Nita (10:04:49 PM): You hear him cryin over Toy Story 3?
spies8tina (10:05:04 PM): Hah. I still want to see that movie.
spies8tina (10:05:26 PM): I get this friday off work, I might catch it then.
spies8Nita (10:05:44 PM): Maybe Hambone lend you a hanky
spies8tina (10:08:01 PM): Why can people not just make sense.
~Savannah~
spies8tina (3:40:06 PM): So what is your current thought on Zek?
spies8savannah (3:40:20 PM): lmao his thread wasnt very helpful
spies8savannah (3:40:32 PM): i think hes trying to show hes contributing but he really isnt
spies8tina (3:40:43 PM): So is that a no change?
spies8savannah (3:40:49 PM): yes pretty much
spies8savannah (3:40:52 PM):
spies8savannah (3:41:00 PM): what are you thinking?
spies8tina (3:41:35 PM): I have been going back and forth on him every few hours. Right now I am back in the Zek-citizen came.
spies8tina (3:41:38 PM): camp*
spies8savannah (3:41:47 PM): explan.
spies8savannah (3:41:50 PM): explain*
spies8tina (3:42:07 PM): I can argue him both ways right now I believe, which is difficult to start.
spies8savannah (3:42:21 PM): well.
spies8savannah (3:42:26 PM): it is important to know.
spies8savannah (3:42:36 PM): considering you did vote for him last round.
spies8tina (3:43:00 PM): I know. If I can just get any one players alignment, it would be his at this point.
spies8savannah (3:43:12 PM): lmao
spies8savannah (3:43:26 PM): unfortunately that's not possible unless you have some type of role
spies8savannah (3:43:34 PM): so lets hear your thoughts. =p
spies8tina (3:44:06 PM): Well, you can say all of his wierd comments are a tell, and that he has not done any spy hunting.
spies8tina (3:44:21 PM): Argueably that has slightly changed, but we can leave that for the time being.
spies8tina (3:44:41 PM): There also are some things that can make it turn around to him being a citizen.
spies8tina (3:44:55 PM): He was not interested in doing anything to save himself near exile.
spies8savannah (3:45:09 PM): and that's cit like ?
spies8tina (3:45:18 PM): In my opinion, yes.
spies8savannah (3:45:34 PM): well that's not really very strong evidence lol
spies8tina (3:45:39 PM): Continuing though.
spies8savannah (3:45:44 PM): considering he hasnt really been very intelligent
spies8tina (3:46:51 PM): Alexei did not vote for him, this can be either way again, but I side to it meaning Zek is a citizen. Alexei had locked himself out of being able to vote for Zek without getting himself killed quickly if Zek ever was revealed as citizen.
spies8tina (3:47:19 PM): If Alexei throws down a panic vote on Zek and he flips citizen, stuff on Alexei lightens quite a bit.
spies8tina (3:47:27 PM): and he flips spy*.
spies8savannah (3:47:55 PM): again, kind of medicore evidence
spies8tina (3:47:56 PM): Also there was no other attempts at anything but Alexei and Zek really being spies that ever was more than a bitch fest on our team.
spies8tina (3:48:47 PM): I is a lot of what Jenny called WFIOM, but I just am seeing a lot of things that at very first instinct make me think that Zek is town, just not very good town.
spies8savannah (3:49:00 PM): alexei was ready to give up, so im not really sure that could prove anything
spies8tina (3:49:14 PM): He came back to me later that night. He had not given up really.
spies8savannah (3:49:28 PM): lol okay. so you think his comments are just random stuipid townish things
spies8tina (3:49:39 PM): I lean stupid random townish things now.
spies8tina (3:50:00 PM): Almost every time I get in a conversation with someone it has been changing though.
spies8tina (3:50:23 PM): I am a little more interested in Themba at the moment to be quite frank.
spies8savannah (3:50:36 PM): why is that?
spies8tina (3:50:50 PM): Look at her attachments to the Alexei wagon.
spies8tina (3:50:59 PM): She voted him, after claiming to have never talked with him.
spies8tina (3:51:09 PM): When he quit, he was "spy giving up".
spies8savannah (3:51:21 PM): i noticed that too hence why i said we should look into her
spies8tina (3:51:28 PM): She seemed to not know a few of the key things on him.
spies8tina (3:51:42 PM): However through all of this it was 55/45 between him and Zek.
spies8tina (3:51:57 PM): When Zek says HQ, she jumps over.
spies8tina (3:52:15 PM): The "spy giving up" thing made me think it was her trying to show she contributed to the wagon.
spies8tina (3:52:40 PM): At that point, it was Nita, myself and Owen who had done most of the stuff in relation to it.
spies8savannah (3:52:45 PM): can i ask you a question
spies8tina (3:52:49 PM): Go ahead.
spies8savannah (3:53:10 PM): the "stupid town statements" are what originally fueled your vote toward zed correct?
spies8tina (3:53:31 PM): Mostly just the HQ thing.
spies8savannah (3:53:34 PM): and you thought them clearly highter than your rather large contribution to the anagram alliance case on alexei
spies8savannah (3:53:59 PM): but now you consider them simply stupid statements...while before they weighted higher than your case.
spies8savannah (3:54:05 PM): that is what concerns me.
spies8tina (3:54:34 PM): If Alexei had not had the conversation with me the night before, where after speaking to him he resigned on the Dane case and decided to move to the Steph case, I started having serious second doubts.
spies8tina (3:55:02 PM): I could not understand him as a spy making a move like that, so close to a deadline.
spies8tina (3:55:43 PM): When the HQ thing happened, that just was another large strike of paranoia for having everything wrong.
spies8savannah (3:55:54 PM): okay.
spies8tina (3:56:10 PM): The early AIM thing I thought was stupid though. The Allan speaking thing I actually understood.
spies8savannah (3:57:00 PM): okay, so its pretty much just a gut instinct, correct
spies8tina (3:57:22 PM): Gut was telling me I was wrong there, the HQ pushed me over the edge.
spies8savannah (3:57:50 PM): alrigjt
spies8savannah (3:57:52 PM): alright*
spies8savannah (3:58:18 PM): so right now you consider themby to be your top suspect?
spies8tina (3:58:38 PM): If I was voting right now, I would probably be voting her.
spies8savannah (3:58:54 PM): any other suspicions?
spies8tina (3:59:38 PM): To a lesser extent, both you and Jenny. The fact that I am basing all this off my Zek-cit read is again causing some pause.
spies8tina (4:00:01 PM): You and Jenny took two very different approaches to the first exile.
spies8savannah (4:00:11 PM): okay so you suspect us because of our votes
spies8tina (4:00:20 PM): She did a lot more one on one talk from what I can gather to change votes, you publically.
spies8tina (4:00:39 PM): Correct. Me changing views on Zek though as much as I have is not helping.
spies8savannah (4:01:37 PM): its funny since you originally jumped from a spy vote to a cit vote but then suspect people for voting for the same cit that you voted for...
spies8tina (4:01:58 PM): I know that.
spies8tina (4:02:14 PM): It is why I want to figure out the Zek stuff ASAP.
spies8savannah (4:02:28 PM): im sure we all do lol
spies8tina (4:08:15 PM): What are your thoughts on people other than Zek?
spies8savannah (4:13:47 PM): themba as you said is odd due to her not very good suspicions of both zed and alexei
spies8savannah (4:14:03 PM): gabriel, havent seen much suspicions from him yet he asks alot of questions it seems
spies8savannah (4:14:28 PM): ronnie, seems to roleplay alot but when it comes to spy hunting its a little lacking.
spies8tina (4:16:37 PM): So if Zek is town Themba and if spy Gabe if I read that right?
spies8savannah (4:16:58 PM): uh what.
spies8savannah (4:17:03 PM): lols
spies8tina (4:17:18 PM): Or is it all secondary stuff?
spies8tina (4:18:01 PM): Like if you had to forgo Zek exile.
spies8tina (4:18:59 PM): As at least to me, Zek spy does not do much to suggest Themba spy. Quite the contrary actually.
spies8savannah (4:19:37 PM): ugh sorry i have to run LOL, i will do this as soon as i get back
spies8tina (4:19:45 PM): Ok.
spies8savannah (4:19:49 PM): if your not on, ill send a pm <3
spies8savannah signed off at 4:19:53 PM
spies8savannah (5:17:17 PM): back
spies8tina (6:12:18 PM): Ok I am talkable too.
spies8savannah (6:12:23 PM): okayyy
spies8savannah (6:12:32 PM): so heres where we left off
spies8savannah (6:12:41 PM):
spies8tina (7:17:20 PM): Or is it all secondary stuff?
spies8tina (7:18:03 PM): Like if you had to forgo Zek exile.
spies8tina (7:19:01 PM): As at least to me, Zek spy does not do much to suggest Themba spy. Quite the contrary actually.
spies8savannah (6:12:53 PM): zek spy suggests gabe spy
spies8savannah (6:12:59 PM): and themba spy, zeke cit
spies8savannah (6:13:00 PM):
spies8tina (6:13:19 PM): Zek is still your prefered exile though correct?
spies8tina (6:13:24 PM): Making sure I have all this right.
spies8tina (6:13:32 PM): Where does Rondak fit in all this too.
spies8savannah (6:13:39 PM): tbh, im not sure
spies8savannah (6:13:43 PM): im looking at themba too
spies8savannah (6:13:54 PM): rondak is just someone i feel hasnt contributed much
spies8savannah (6:13:57 PM): he roleplays alot
spies8savannah (6:13:58 PM): great
spies8savannah (6:14:06 PM): but when it comes to the core scumhunting, hes not there
spies8savannah (6:14:12 PM): maybe its cause he claims to be new
spies8tina (6:14:58 PM): Well, so you are not as sure on Zek anymore?
spies8savannah (6:15:11 PM): i think zek is a spy
spies8savannah (6:15:18 PM): but i think themba looks suspicious too
spies8tina (6:15:28 PM): Ok, so you are deciding between the two?
spies8savannah (6:15:31 PM): and since they dont really look like a plausible combo
spies8savannah (6:15:34 PM): yes.
spies8tina (6:15:47 PM): Right. I think everyone I have talked to has said "One or the other".
spies8tina (6:16:04 PM): Some blatantly (Dane) some not as (all others).
spies8savannah (6:16:12 PM): haha
spies8savannah (6:16:20 PM): well at least most of us are on the same page
spies8tina (6:16:29 PM): Right, the debate is going to be on which one.
spies8savannah (6:16:48 PM): im guessing youd choose themba
spies8savannah (6:16:48 PM): lol
spies8tina (6:17:02 PM): Between those two that would be my obvious choice.
spies8savannah (6:17:29 PM): kayy
spies8savannah (6:22:57 PM): okay is it just me or do you find it odd how ronnie is usually in the chat but doesnt talk
spies8tina (6:23:24 PM): I see that too, which is why he has been hanging around as an outside suspect.
spies8tina (6:24:28 PM): You were one of the people who said at least one voter of Alexei was a spy right?
spies8savannah (6:25:56 PM): i didnt say they were
spies8savannah (6:26:01 PM): i said not to rule it out
spies8tina (6:26:08 PM): Ah ok.
spies8savannah (6:26:26 PM): obviously we have no way to confirm that there are even any more spies on our team
spies8tina (6:26:28 PM): Was wondering if that is why you were suspecting him in part.
spies8savannah (6:26:39 PM): although it makes alot of sense..
spies8tina (6:27:48 PM): I would not be surprised, but if anything it is a later game supplement.
spies8savannah (6:28:56 PM): yeah
Wednesday, June 23, 2010
spies8tina (10:53:54 PM): Ok. I have a few questions again.
spies8savannah (10:54:16 PM): go for ittttt
spies8tina (10:54:24 PM): You said that after Alexei went, you still saw, and continue to see Zek suspicious right?
spies8savannah (10:54:37 PM): correctemundo
spies8tina (10:54:38 PM): Was that a one way street?
spies8tina (10:54:51 PM): So would a Zek-spy flip exile one make you think Alexei was still a spy?
spies8savannah (10:55:45 PM): its a tough question. alexei was adamant at times that zed was both a spy and a cit.
spies8savannah (10:56:13 PM): and with a liar like him, how is it possible to know what he was really thinking
spies8savannah (10:56:34 PM): i dont think we can necessarily base zed's alignment off alexeis reveal.
spies8savannah (10:56:55 PM): it would be diff. if he felt one way or another, but it seems that he didnt.
spies8tina (10:57:32 PM): Ok.
spies8tina (10:58:02 PM): So, you thought that Alexei was what yesterday though.
spies8savannah (10:58:12 PM): uh what.
spies8tina (10:59:16 PM): Before exile one, what did you think he was.
spies8tina (10:59:28 PM): I get different reads from a few areas.
spies8savannah (10:59:32 PM): as i said i was leaning cit but i wasnt positive.
spies8tina (10:59:41 PM): Ok.
spies8savannah (10:59:50 PM): which i told zed.
spies8tina (11:01:04 PM): Hah. Sorry I was watching TV and completely got my train of thought derailed here.
spies8tina (11:01:06 PM): Sorry.
spies8savannah (11:01:16 PM): lmao its okay
spies8tina (11:03:34 PM): Alright then. I think im back on track. Curse Daniel Tosh.
spies8savannah (11:03:41 PM): hahah
spies8tina (11:04:20 PM): So. You were trying to get Zek lynched AND prevent a Alexei lynch?
spies8savannah (11:04:27 PM): um what?
spies8savannah (11:04:34 PM): why would i prevent an alexei lynch
spies8savannah (11:04:43 PM): when i just said i wasn confident that he was a citizen
spies8savannah (11:04:51 PM): that makes absolutely no sense.
spies8tina (11:05:01 PM): Well, I figured that ment you had somewhat of a citizen read of him on.
spies8savannah (11:05:13 PM): i did but not enought that i would prevent a lynch
spies8tina (11:05:20 PM): Ok, must be different wording.
spies8tina (11:05:37 PM): Usually to me that is someone that I would really rather not see exiled.
spies8savannah (11:06:06 PM): if i had a very strong cit read on him then i would maybe be trying to avoid it
spies8savannah (11:06:08 PM): but i didnt.
spies8tina (11:06:23 PM): Ok, so you really did not care if that exile occured.
spies8savannah (11:06:30 PM): not really lol
spies8savannah (11:06:44 PM): i just wanted people to be aware that zed was making a fool of himself in the chat
spies8savannah (11:06:44 PM):
spies8savannah (11:06:58 PM): i wasnt expecting people to really switch votes lol
spies8tina (11:07:11 PM): So on the topic of people making a fool of themselves, what are your Allan thoughts?
spies8savannah (11:07:16 PM): LOL
spies8savannah (11:07:23 PM): why would your purposely lie about something
spies8savannah (11:07:26 PM): i dont get him
spies8savannah (11:07:43 PM): also he thinks jenny is OTT and think she cant be a spy because shes nice
spies8tina (11:07:56 PM): He is worse than Zek to me.
spies8savannah (11:07:56 PM): i think that says enough.
spies8tina (11:08:07 PM): At least in incomprehesability.
spies8savannah (11:08:20 PM): lmao seriously hes just SO STUPID
spies8tina (11:09:11 PM): Going back to the Alexei point though, did you ever have any one on one chats with him?
spies8savannah (11:09:24 PM): i did as i posted
spies8savannah (11:09:34 PM): tina did you not read any of the things i posted in the burg?
spies8savannah (11:09:35 PM): lol
spies8tina (11:09:45 PM): I am reading through some of them as we talk.
spies8savannah (11:09:56 PM): it might be helpful to read first lol
spies8tina (11:10:00 PM): I have seen enough chat over the last few days to make things blur.
spies8savannah (11:10:22 PM): its getting very repetitive thats all, and pretty much answer to all your questions is posted
spies8savannah (11:10:35 PM): but yes we did have a one on one chat.
spies8tina (11:10:50 PM): I know. I just am still up in the air and trying to stop that.
spies8savannah (11:11:06 PM): actually we have discussed this one on one before i believe
spies8savannah (11:11:19 PM): but anyway continue
spies8tina (11:12:56 PM): Well, sorry again if this is getting repetitive, but in one of your responses to me you mention Zek, Steph and Themba as what look like a core three correct?
spies8savannah (11:13:18 PM): as in three suspects?
spies8tina (11:13:21 PM): Yes.
spies8savannah (11:13:33 PM): add jenny and make a core 4
spies8tina (11:13:44 PM): So not Allan or has that changed?
spies8savannah (11:13:56 PM): allan hasnt been a suspect of mine
spies8tina (11:14:10 PM): Just checking due to the most recent oddness.
spies8savannah (11:14:17 PM): lol no i didnt add him
spies8savannah (11:14:35 PM): i dont really think their is THAT much evidence against him, could change
spies8savannah (11:15:22 PM): zeds scumhunting this round has given more props in his favor; while i think his suspicions are weak, i think he is trying.
spies8tina (11:15:41 PM): Ok, so I guess one big question is why have you not really been putting up cases in the burg? For that matter, who is your best pick.
spies8savannah (11:15:55 PM): not everyone has been putting up cases in the burg.
spies8tina (11:15:57 PM): I do not like posting there since it is not my element, but I still try.
spies8savannah (11:16:09 PM): and i feel like ive discussed my suspicions with enough people that is not necessary.
spies8savannah (11:16:45 PM): if people feel as if i have to i can, but i have discussed my suspicions in the threads that have been made in the burg anyways.
spies8tina (11:17:57 PM): Ok, so which vote are you leaning to though?
spies8savannah (11:18:07 PM): lol is it bad that i dont know
spies8tina (11:18:24 PM): Probably yes, but I am stuck in a similar spot.
spies8savannah (11:18:35 PM): if jenny doesnt read the chat that she keeps saying she will by tomorrow, i will be voting for her
spies8savannah (11:18:45 PM): just because that will probably have hit the point of active lurking.
spies8tina (11:18:49 PM): Ah yes Jenny.
spies8savannah (11:19:12 PM): seriously ive asked her three times if she read that chat and her suspicions and she keeps saying shes getting to it
spies8tina (11:19:17 PM): It was a tale of two different approaches to Zek lynch between you to.
spies8savannah (11:19:30 PM): which i find very odd what else is she doing in her spare time when shes on AIM and posting chat logs.
spies8tina (11:19:36 PM): You were loud about it, she just was on it.
spies8savannah (11:19:46 PM): lol at least i stated my suspicions
spies8savannah (11:19:49 PM):
spies8tina (11:20:12 PM): Right, that is one thing that I have a rough time with.
spies8tina (11:21:04 PM): Very few people share that thought though.
spies8savannah (11:31:29 PM): sorry was posting my response to owen
spies8savannah (11:31:29 PM):
spies8tina (11:31:44 PM): I still am just mulling over a lot of things.
spies8savannah (11:31:52 PM): where is your head at this round
spies8tina (11:32:01 PM): It has been everywhere.
spies8savannah (11:32:08 PM): haha. know the feeling
spies8tina (11:32:55 PM): Jenny, Themba, Steph and you mostly. I just can not stick with a suspicion.
spies8tina (11:34:24 PM): Im almost to the point where I go back to my instinct vote of Jenny.
spies8savannah (11:35:24 PM): that is kind of where i am going too
spies8savannah (11:35:37 PM): it sucks because i really like her
spies8tina (11:35:39 PM): Boy tomorrow will be crazy.
spies8savannah (11:35:47 PM): lol it will
spies8tina (11:36:08 PM): She just apparently never realized the Alexei case or something.
spies8savannah (11:36:17 PM): lol shes on all the time
spies8savannah (11:36:18 PM):
spies8tina (11:36:21 PM): spies8jenny (2:26:53 PM):I heard that Lexi had some bad problems with keeping times straight, but I don't think I ever heard specific details about it.
spies8savannah (11:36:23 PM): not really sure thats possible
spies8tina (11:36:35 PM): That was monday.
spies8savannah (11:37:40 PM): or how she doesnt have reads on people, yet again is incredibly active
spies8savannah (11:37:56 PM): i swear ive asked her two or three times about you and she always says she doesnt have a strong read.
spies8tina (11:38:00 PM): Yes. She took a backseat to you for the Zek thing.
spies8savannah (11:38:18 PM): yeah she did. didnt really talk much at all.
spies8savannah (11:39:14 PM): but i think the thing that worries me the most is that chat lol.
spies8tina (11:39:30 PM): I would bring up the fact that when I first talked to her about Alexei she shut it down, but you and Steph did that too I think.
spies8savannah (11:39:33 PM): its like she doesnt need to read it cause she already knows who the spies are lmao
spies8tina (11:40:07 PM): spies8jenny (6:57:33 PM):Really? How does Alexei ring bells for you?
spies8tina (11:40:10 PM): spies8jenny (7:00:00 PM):I guess. Not really too big yet, but might as well keep an eye on him for now.
spies8savannah (11:40:18 PM): she always says that
spies8savannah (11:40:24 PM): like i swear about everyone lol
spies8savannah (11:40:25 PM):
spies8tina (11:40:34 PM): Next I hear from her in private was
spies8tina (11:40:39 PM): spies8jenny (10:05:13 PM):Alexei, I dunno. Could be I guess, but I want to see more from him first if he's still alive after tomorrow.
spies8savannah (11:40:48 PM): see. its like the same thing.
spies8tina (11:40:53 PM): Yes. I know.
spies8savannah (11:41:05 PM): doesnt that strike you peciliuar.
spies8tina (11:42:16 PM): Like I said, my very first instinct after Alexei flip was "ok Jenny is a spy".
spies8savannah (11:42:35 PM): lmao. i kind of thought jenny was a spy the first time i talked to her lol
spies8savannah (11:42:45 PM): i tried brushing it off cause she was really friendly.
spies8savannah (11:43:04 PM): but now im like, theres something up with this girl
spies8tina (11:43:11 PM): I still am not as good of a character judge. Come from playing with groups of friends at work which is why I like AIM more.
spies8tina (11:43:27 PM): I really miss visual tells.
spies8savannah (11:44:10 PM):
spies8savannah (11:44:19 PM): visual tells can be deceiving
spies8savannah (11:44:21 PM): however
spies8tina (11:44:44 PM): Sometimes.
spies8savannah (11:45:01 PM): =\
spies8tina (11:45:32 PM): They are dependable which is why they are tells, but I guess that applies to all types of tells.
spies8savannah (11:45:56 PM): yeah it does
spies8savannah (11:45:59 PM): =\
spies8savannah (11:46:26 PM): oh another observation: dane has taken a back seat this round, no
spies8tina (11:46:41 PM): He has, no one to fight with apparently.
spies8savannah (11:46:48 PM): lol true
~Themba~
spies8tina (9:10:47 PM): Hello. I have a few questions if you have time here.
spies8themba (9:10:55 PM): Go for it hun.
spies8themba (9:11:03 PM): I am at work though, just fyi.
spies8tina (9:11:32 PM): Ok. First off, who are you voting right now out of curiosity.
spies8themba (9:11:59 PM): Right now I am still on Zed. Though Nita makes some good points about Sav/Zed/Alexei.
spies8themba (9:12:18 PM): But I want to look into Rondak a little. We haven't spoken and I think we need to.
spies8tina (9:13:19 PM): Ok. What was your thought process around the last end of the first day though.
spies8tina (9:13:30 PM): You were on Dane for a while, when did that change to Alexei?
spies8tina (9:13:42 PM): I never saw when that happened.
spies8themba (9:14:37 PM): When I posted it changed, in the group chat. There's snippets of my discussion with Alexei in my responses to Zed and Hambone, and there's the full recollection in the group chat. I changed then.
spies8tina (9:16:29 PM): So the tipping point was the comment about voting Dane just to get rid of him?
spies8themba (9:16:48 PM): Yep.
spies8tina (9:16:59 PM): Was there a buildup or was it just that?
spies8themba (9:17:02 PM): Dane can also verify that - we were talking on IM's at the same time.
spies8themba (9:17:36 PM): I looked at what you guys had posted, and what you sent me about him and agreeing to Steph's ideas on Dane. So I asked him about that in the chat too.
spies8tina (9:18:43 PM): Ok, so you were already debating a change before that point?
spies8themba (9:19:47 PM): From Dane to Zed do you mean? My vote on Dane was tentative, as many first votes are, pending further information. If something came to light which was stronger, I would of course move my vote to that person. Same as I did from Alex to Zed.
spies8tina (9:20:58 PM): Ok, so at the time you moved from Dane to Alexei still did not have a clear suspect?
spies8themba (9:21:55 PM): Dane was my suspect, hence I was voting for him. It was not clear. Nothing was clear that early on.
spies8tina (9:22:29 PM): Ok. What was the tipping point back to Zek then? The HQ comment?
spies8tina (9:22:45 PM): Before that too, what was your thoughts of him.
spies8themba (9:23:57 PM): The HQ comment definitely tipped it for me, and he just cannot address anything head on it seems.
spies8themba (9:24:22 PM): My thoughts were he was just useless - question was, was he a useless cit or a useless spy?
spies8themba (9:24:50 PM): almost nothing of what he writes makes sense to me. apart from a couple of bits in his thread today i guess.
spies8tina (9:26:22 PM): And you already said that you are still voting Zek right now?
spies8tina (9:26:31 PM): With Savannah as a second pick?
spies8themba (9:26:49 PM): At this point. If I had to pick right now, I'd have to still pick Zed. No, Sav is not a second choice.
spies8themba (9:27:25 PM): I don't know who would be. I really want to chat to Rondak and also go through the Alexei-related stuff again, because I missed all the chats apart from his last one.
spies8tina (9:29:33 PM): Well, that is all I can think of right now. Any return questions?
spies8themba (9:30:37 PM): If you had to vote right now, who would it be and why? And, why do you think no one has come after you yet for switching?
spies8tina (9:31:43 PM): Have my tenative vote on you that went up right after imprisonment. I am likely going to be between you and Savannah for this next exile to be straight up.
spies8tina (9:31:50 PM): Also people have asked me about it a bit.
spies8tina (9:32:38 PM): I was one of the people who contributed the most to the Alexei wagon, especially early on. So I think that most people have a medium citizen read on me even though I changed it.
spies8themba (9:33:08 PM): You're the second person to say that they're voting me after imprisonment/exile. Why do you think I am a Spy? I think my explanations of my actions have been open and well documented?
spies8tina (9:34:25 PM): The one odd one to me was the comment over the "giving up".
spies8tina (9:35:20 PM): Looking back at it, I got a feeling that you were trying to attach your name to have made the case, when I had little idea of where you stood on it for most of the game up to that point.
spies8themba (9:35:47 PM): Interesting. And I was, but only to that point.
spies8tina (9:36:00 PM): Soon after that very confident statement, your vote changed, which again was odd to me.
spies8tina (9:36:37 PM): I could have seen a spy trying to get credit for it with a move like that. Untill that point it was mainly myself and Nita, and to a lesser but noticeable exent, Owen.
spies8themba (9:37:48 PM): Sure, well I was definitely only pointing out that he gave up. And I can see your concerns about the switch vote, but like I said, I was literally 45/55 between the 2. I took a guess. May have been wrong. May have also been right.
spies8tina (9:38:11 PM): You read like it was a whole lot stronger than 45/55 to a lot of people there.
spies8themba (9:39:33 PM): well you could never be 100% sure it was a give up can you? you can hope, but you can't know until he's out of the game. if he flipped cit, maybe i would've looked silly for suggesting he did give up.
spies8tina (9:40:23 PM): Well, you said it so you had to think it was fairly likely.
spies8tina (9:40:53 PM): If you did not there would have been no reason to.
spies8themba (9:40:59 PM): Hopeful moreso than likely.
spies8themba (9:41:04 PM): Hopefull
spies8themba (9:41:59 PM): I say things all the time without thought Tina, as you may see with time. I don't need to second guess the effects of my comments. I am not cautious like that. I have no reason to be.
spies8tina (9:42:08 PM): Hah.
spies8themba (9:43:33 PM): lol. it's true. i will brb.
spies8tina (9:43:50 PM): Ok. I am about out of questions at this point however.
spies8themba (9:47:42 PM): Np. The only other thing I wanted to say is... if i was a spy, wouldn't it have been easier for me to just stay where i was, on my lame spybuddy, rather than change to zed and risk all of this scrutiny? Just a thought for you. Cause I really don't want to be exiled yet.
spies8tina (9:48:32 PM): It is something that I have thought about.
spies8themba (9:48:40 PM): Cool.
spies8tina (9:48:45 PM): My vote is far from anything concrete right now.
spies8themba (9:48:55 PM): Cool again.
spies8themba (9:49:08 PM): TY for questioning me, rather than just voting.
spies8tina (9:49:24 PM): You have to question people. That is the game.
spies8themba (9:49:35 PM): Try telling that to some people
spies8tina (9:49:38 PM): If you are not, you are doing something wrong.
spies8tina (9:49:50 PM): Even if you have to PM people, it beats blind vote.
spies8themba (9:49:56 PM): agreed.