Chats: Claude or Jenny or Nita

[Lilith]

spies8jenny is available (12:50:26 AM)
spies8jenny is available (1:09:55 AM)
spies8lilith (12:14:56 AM): Hi!
spies8jenny (12:15:19 AM): So how are you?
spies8jenny (12:15:26 AM): Nice to finally meet you!
spies8lilith (12:15:59 AM): Good .
spies8lilith (12:16:04 AM): I think you may be a spy .
spies8lilith (12:16:09 AM): Although I tohught Themba was a spy.
spies8lilith (12:16:14 AM): So now, I don't think anything, LOL.
spies8jenny (12:16:15 AM): I didn't
spies8jenny (12:19:15 AM): Well if you want to ask me about stuff that worries you, at least you can ask now.
spies8lilith (12:20:01 AM): I feel really overwhelmed right now with looking at 24 suspects, LOL. I'll get to talking to you sometime, if that's ok?
spies8jenny (12:20:18 AM): No problem at all. Just be glad you're not owen right now.
spies8jenny (12:20:49 AM): OWEN, DON'T VOTE ME PELASE!

OWEN, I GIVE YOU MUCH SEX

OWEN, WOULD YOU LIKE CASH?

OWEEEEEN!

Yeah, that's not going to be fun for him.
spies8lilith (12:21:00 AM): lol
spies8jenny (12:23:00 AM): Well at least you're sure to have time to catch up with that immunity
spies8lilith (12:23:42 AM): I kinda want to get out at imprisonment so I don't have to deal with the game... LOL
spies8jenny (12:23:48 AM):
spies8jenny (12:26:10 AM): Why do you still have your away message up by the way?
spies8lilith (12:26:19 AM): Oh, I forgot! LOL
spies8jenny (12:26:29 AM): Well now you know!
spies8jenny (12:26:31 AM):
spies8lilith (12:26:38 AM): Thanks
spies8jenny (12:26:46 AM): You're welcome!
spies8jenny is available (12:42:28 AM)
spies8jenny (1:03:23 AM): Still getting flooded with other people?
spies8lilith (1:03:30 AM): Not really, lol
spies8jenny (1:03:39 AM): So how have you been so far?
spies8jenny is available (1:04:01 AM)
spies8lilith (1:05:20 AM): First day, overwhelmed, today, confident, tonight, confused... lol
spies8jenny (1:05:35 AM): Soooo, typical mafia then?
spies8jenny is available (1:09:07 AM)
spies8jenny (1:12:43 AM): Well then how bout I keep you from being lazy then!
You said earlier you think I'm a spy, how come?
spies8lilith (1:13:28 AM): I was reading interactions with Alexei and his chats.
spies8lilith (1:13:44 AM): It felt like he didn't say hi or bye to you. And you two didn't interact or seem to question eachother in chat.
spies8lilith (1:13:54 AM): And once he addressed everyone and asked for their opinions, and you leave.
spies8lilith (1:14:07 AM): And then when someone asks you a direct question, you said you returned.
spies8jenny (1:14:19 AM): When was it exactly?
spies8jenny (1:14:29 AM): I might be able to answer what I was doing at the time.
spies8lilith (1:17:50 AM): I'd hgave to look it up, lol.
spies8jenny (1:18:15 AM): Okies.
spies8lilith (1:18:48 AM): I am TERRIBLE at finding these things. I'll be honest, I haven't read a lot of the threads, just bits here and there that interested me (Alexei's interaction). Since being a replacement, I decided it'd be too hard to catch up on EVERYTHING, so I decided to just try to settle in the here and now and base people's reads on how they interact with me and explain their suspcions.
spies8jenny is available (1:23:53 AM)
spies8lilith (1:25:42 AM): Sorry, I was chatting with Claude, LOL.
spies8jenny is available (1:25:42 AM)
spies8lilith (1:25:54 AM): What was your reaction to Alexei getting out?
spies8jenny (1:46:52 AM): Sorry bout the slow response, falling asleep a bit, probably going to go to be dsoon.

Anyways, I didn't mind Lexi going out really, I just wanted to wait a little bit to make sure he he wasn't just a cit giving mu because he was suspected.
spies8lilith (1:47:58 AM): What about him flipping spy though?
spies8jenny (1:49:28 AM): Awesome we got a spy, one down 6 to go. Not really sure what you're asking there.
spies8lilith (1:49:41 AM): I mean, were you surprised?
spies8jenny (1:50:17 AM): A little, but mostly because it was the first day then anything that had to do with him.
spies8lilith (1:50:39 AM): Her were your main suscpions? Then?, or Now is probably a better question, lol.
spies8jenny (1:50:49 AM): Who you mean?
spies8jenny (1:51:11 AM): At the time was Zeddy obviously, since I voted him that day.
spies8jenny (1:53:01 AM): Going to head to bed for now, got work in the morning and it's already getting late. You going to be on tomorrow?
spies8lilith (1:53:14 AM): I might actually not be
spies8lilith (1:53:16 AM): Unless it's late
spies8jenny (1:53:23 AM): Awww, how come?
spies8lilith (1:53:24 AM): We'll see, I might be busy the next few days >_<.
spies8jenny (1:53:34 AM): July 4th weekend?
spies8lilith (1:53:41 AM): Ya, lol.
spies8jenny is offline (1:56:10 AM)

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spies8Nita is available (12:06:07 AM)
spies8lilith (12:06:07 AM): What are your thoughts on Jenny?
spies8Nita is available (12:20:53 AM)
Auto-response: spies8lilith is away (12:06:40 AM)
Cleaning! <3
spies8Nita (12:06:58 AM): On one hand, everythin said bout her mostly es true
spies8Nita (12:07:05 AM): Bout her no postin bout suspects
spies8Nita (12:07:20 AM): On the other hand, she tryin real hard y frustrated bout why she suspected
spies8Nita (12:07:33 AM): She seem sincere
spies8Nita (12:07:37 AM): I push her a lot this round
spies8lilith (12:07:50 AM): Reading how her and Alexei interacted, I was confident she was a spy moreso than anyone. However, being wrong on this last exile makes me think I need to rethink everything. You and Hambone were the two I thought were most town-like.
spies8Nita (12:08:29 AM): She do exactly what you said she did
spies8lilith (12:08:38 AM): ?
spies8Nita (12:08:47 AM): She ignorin him at parts, speakin up for him at others
spies8Nita (12:09:01 AM): When I tell her my points privately she say 3 of the 4 be things both spies y cits do
spies8lilith (12:09:02 AM): Are you referring to Alexei and Jenny?
spies8Nita (12:09:04 AM): si
spies8lilith (12:09:14 AM): O, kk, I keep thinking about Themba , my bad, lol.
spies8Nita (12:10:20 AM): Un momento, a pet escape
spies8lilith (12:10:27 AM): LOL!
spies8Nita is away (12:15:35 AM)
I'm not here right now
spies8lilith (12:51:11 AM): I had a question.
spies8Nita (12:58:16 AM): Si?
spies8lilith (12:58:50 AM): Yo!
spies8lilith (12:58:55 AM): After the first person got SAVED.
spies8lilith (12:59:06 AM): Did yall tell the Doctor to claim to who they saved?
spies8lilith (12:59:22 AM): I mentioned it before and I wasn't sure of the response.
spies8Nita (12:59:25 AM): I no say nothin, I figure wit an amazin round 1 save the doctor know what they doin
spies8lilith (12:59:28 AM): (on my previous team)
spies8lilith (12:59:52 AM): I was just saying, maybe the Dr. should tell the person they saved, that way they can talk and discuss and they know eachother are innocent.
spies8Nita (1:00:33 AM): The doc, they gonna do whatever they want
spies8Nita (1:00:45 AM): Better that way, no?
spies8lilith (1:01:03 AM): I think it'd be best if the person saved knew they were the target and knew someone they could trust
spies8lilith (1:01:22 AM): Hell, maybe it was a cop role and the cop can save himself an investigation on that Dr.
spies8lilith (1:01:40 AM): I just think it's better if people that are confirmed innocents can work together
spies8Nita (1:02:48 AM): Good idea
spies8Nita (1:03:08 AM): You ask me a question? I no remember
spies8lilith (1:03:36 AM): ?
spies8lilith (1:03:36 AM): huh
spies8lilith (1:03:37 AM): LOL
spies8Nita (1:05:19 AM): spies8lilith: I had a question.
spies8lilith (1:05:30 AM): That was my question... LOL
spies8Nita (1:05:37 AM): Bien
spies8lilith (1:05:40 AM):
spies8Nita is available (1:23:53 AM)

[Lilith]

spies8claude is available (12:56:41 AM)
spies8claude (12:56:41 AM): Hello Lilith2.0
spies8lilith (12:56:48 AM): Hello Claude 1.0 ?
spies8claude (12:56:52 AM): Yeah
spies8claude is available (1:14:07 AM)
spies8lilith (12:56:57 AM): Woo!
spies8lilith (12:56:58 AM): Lol
spies8lilith (12:57:00 AM): how are you?
spies8claude (12:57:04 AM): Alright. Yourself?
spies8lilith (12:58:33 AM): Confused about the game. I just spent the past 4 days getting integrated and trying to talk to everyone to get a read. And my ultimate read on who I thought was a spy was wrong. And now I have to do it all over again meeting 13 more people and try to read them. But I feel like my skills may not be as good as I thought they were so why waste so much effort. It's just discouraging on what to do. I am rethinking all my thoughts and I am procrastinating analyzing the new people.
spies8lilith (12:58:44 AM): I don't know where to start or what to do from this point I guess. =/
spies8claude (12:59:18 AM): Yeah, I could see how that would be intimidating.
spies8claude (1:00:07 AM): You seem resilient though, I think you'll be fine.
spies8claude is available (1:07:25 AM)
spies8lilith (1:14:30 AM): OMG
spies8lilith (1:14:35 AM): I THINK YOU ARE MY SOUL MATE
spies8claude (1:14:37 AM): lol
spies8claude (1:15:03 AM): The first Lilith thought alot like me also, I was disappointed when she got replaced. But you seem great too.
spies8lilith (1:15:09 AM): This entire time I have been telling people outfront that I am looking for sincerity in people's accusations and that mafia can't fake the same sincerety towns can because the mafia in the back of their mind know who really is a mafia and who isn't.
spies8claude (1:15:27 AM): That is exactly correct.
spies8lilith (1:15:31 AM): And I am outright telling people I am looking for sincerety, because I think it'll make mafia more nervous if they know what I'm looking for.
spies8claude (1:15:40 AM): I agree
spies8lilith (1:15:46 AM): And I felt like both Themba and Isaac were being insincere.
spies8claude (1:15:46 AM): I like making bold plays, it always makes the scum nervous.
spies8lilith (1:15:57 AM): Isaac actually talked to me in person before making a post.
spies8claude (1:15:59 AM): Themba was just bad, I guess.
spies8claude (1:16:12 AM): I wasn't even on her team and I thought she was scum literally from Day 1.
spies8lilith (1:16:38 AM): His general comments about Themba was that she wasn't a citizen, while his comment about Jasmine was that she was a hypocrit. And the words he used, he took out in his post. He kept using adjectives to make Themba look bad in private convo, but in his thread post he took them out and shortened.
spies8claude (1:16:54 AM): lol, really?
spies8lilith (1:17:04 AM): And Themba, the way she accused Jasmine didn't seem real. I was suspcious of Jasmine a bit, but I would have pointed out other parts.
spies8lilith (1:17:14 AM): I feel like mafia when looking for accusations can't see the same things town would see.
spies8claude (1:17:23 AM): they can't.
spies8lilith (1:17:26 AM): But, ultimately, my suspect was wrong and now I don't know how my reads are.
spies8claude (1:17:26 AM): Because they just know.
spies8claude (1:17:35 AM): Everyone gets it wrong sometimes.
spies8lilith (1:17:40 AM): My initial read on Jenny from her convos with Alexei was she was a spy, btw, I am talking to her now .
spies8claude (1:17:45 AM): Your mentality is absolutely on the right track, though.
spies8claude (1:18:12 AM): I'm suspicious of Jenny, but mostly because I feel like she doesn't actually participate, and just uses 'Being Ms. Helpful' as a cover.
spies8claude (1:18:47 AM): I keep hearing something about how Allan claimed to her way before anyone else, and she just sat on it.
spies8lilith (1:19:20 AM): Oh, she's being helpful to me right now, encouraging me to get back on my feet, LOL.
spies8claude (1:19:27 AM): Meh.
spies8claude (1:19:33 AM): Statements like that are null.
spies8lilith (1:19:34 AM): I haven't read up on that claim that much.
spies8claude (1:19:39 AM): What else is she going to say?
spies8lilith (1:19:56 AM): I outright told her I suspected her .
spies8lilith (1:19:59 AM): And now we're just chatting, lol.
spies8claude (1:20:06 AM): Jenny is probably at the bottom of my list of suspects anyway, so.
spies8claude (1:20:30 AM): Chance, Isaac, and Stephanie are ahead of her without a doubt.
spies8lilith (1:20:45 AM): I feel like accusing people and getting their reactions help me decide if I am right or wrong. But if I keep doing that, people will see me as flakey and keep changing my mind, and then if I do settle on someone I'm confident about, people won't believe me beceause I changed so much.
spies8lilith (1:21:02 AM): My gut read on Stephanie is she is a citizen.
spies8claude (1:21:16 AM): Really?
spies8claude (1:21:18 AM): Hmm..why?
spies8claude (1:21:28 AM): Her forum posts all seem scummy to me.
spies8lilith (1:21:28 AM): I agree her actions are really scummy (she's been suscpious of all the opposite people of me, although after Themba, she was right, LOL). But I can tell there is SINCERETY in her suscpions.
spies8lilith (1:21:32 AM): Tina agrees with me on this.
spies8lilith (1:21:43 AM): Try talking to her and see what happens.
spies8claude (1:21:57 AM): I'm kind of suspicious of Tina, but not as much as Day 1/2.
spies8claude (1:22:06 AM): I'll talk to her(Stephanie)
spies8lilith (1:22:25 AM): I don't *think* it's Tina. I'm most confident it isn't Zed or Dane, because of HOW Alexei talked to them in those chats.
spies8claude (1:22:30 AM): Yeah
spies8claude (1:22:40 AM): I would be dumbfounded if either of them were Spies
spies8lilith (1:22:49 AM): Although, Dane is a complete ass.
spies8claude (1:23:09 AM): Alexei was bad enough to get lynched as a Spy Day 1, so I really, really can't see him being smart enough to then try to bus a scumbuddy to try to make them look better.
spies8claude (1:23:16 AM): Yeah, I've gotten that impression from him.
spies8lilith (1:23:21 AM): I told him how I read people and he told me I was wrong for playing the game that way... and he then went on to sign off on me because he couldn't "deal with me" and I was upset, because I didn't get to ask the questions I wanted to.
spies8lilith (1:23:31 AM): But, after readin the Alexei interactions, I'm sure it's not him.
spies8lilith (1:23:42 AM): Also
spies8claude is available (1:23:53 AM)
spies8lilith (1:23:54 AM): You were the one with that voting claim thing right?
spies8claude is available (1:23:54 AM)
spies8claude (1:23:56 AM): It's not like there is one correct way to play mafia.
spies8claude (1:24:00 AM): voting claim thing?
spies8lilith (1:24:22 AM): I know, I wasn't even arguing that my way was better, I was trying to tell him people play differently, not all one specific right way, and he told me I was wrong.
spies8lilith (1:24:26 AM): Did you claim the vote role?
spies8claude (1:24:43 AM): I can manipulate people's ability to vote.
spies8claude (1:24:46 AM): If that is what you mean.
spies8lilith (1:24:49 AM): Yeah.
spies8claude (1:24:56 AM): Yeah
spies8lilith (1:25:06 AM): Dane thinks it's most-likely a Spy role, which didn't make sense to me. I'm leaning towards citizen role.
spies8claude (1:25:09 AM): I have to use my last ability to get to use the other 2 again, blah.
spies8claude (1:25:16 AM): Honestly, it can go either way as a role.
spies8lilith (1:25:24 AM): Ultimately though, I would judge someone on interacting with them, regardless of role claiming.
spies8claude (1:26:28 AM): That is how it should be.
spies8claude (1:26:47 AM): Some roles are just obv-town
spies8claude (1:26:58 AM): Cop, Doctor, etc. So when someone claims them, their previous behavior no longer matter.
spies8claude (1:27:00 AM): matters.
spies8lilith (1:27:09 AM): Unless they are faking the claim though .
spies8claude (1:27:15 AM): But other roles(like mine, honestly), can go either way, and shouldn't really be a factor
spies8claude (1:27:17 AM): Yeah.
spies8claude (1:27:24 AM): I don't see false-claiming as being a big part of Spies.
spies8lilith (1:27:28 AM): Really?
spies8claude (1:27:35 AM): Not in this medium.
spies8lilith (1:27:55 AM): It's been done before in spy games .
spies8claude (1:28:04 AM): I mean, clearly no one is going to falseclaim Doc, unless they know that the real Doc is dead.
spies8lilith (1:28:17 AM): I disagree.
spies8claude (1:28:21 AM): Really?
spies8lilith (1:28:35 AM): If Themba or someone was mafia, why not claim doctor at the last minute?
spies8claude (1:28:42 AM): I guess if you've just accepted that you're going to get Exiled, you can just commit suicide to try and pull out the real Doc.
spies8lilith (1:28:43 AM): You could get the real doctor to reveal themselves and screw them over.
spies8claude (1:28:47 AM): But that so rarely actually works
spies8lilith (1:28:58 AM): It could spare you being voted out wouldn't it?
spies8lilith (1:29:03 AM): Or would people not believe it?
spies8claude (1:29:04 AM): I guess in this game it would.
spies8claude (1:29:28 AM): And it shouldn't spare you for long anyway
spies8claude (1:29:37 AM): If you're still alive 2 days later, people will figure it out.
spies8claude (1:29:58 AM): That's why I generally don't advocate that Docs counterclaim.
spies8lilith (1:30:14 AM): I am a firm believer that the doctor is on the original republicans because Gabe got murdered next. It is fairly reasonable to assume that the Dr. is on the same team as the saved. The mafia KNOW who they tried to kill, and thus have an idea of which side the dr. was on.
spies8claude (1:30:20 AM): Yeah
spies8lilith (1:30:21 AM): It was my only idea as to why Gabe would be killed.
spies8claude (1:30:25 AM): I'm 100% in agreement on that.
spies8claude (1:30:38 AM): Interestingly, I asked Rondak why he thought Gabe got killed.
spies8claude (1:30:49 AM): And he pretty much blew me off.
spies8lilith (1:30:51 AM): Because I met Gabe for the first time the night before, but he wasn't even suspecting anyone, he was still on about how he thought Savaanah was a spy.
spies8lilith (1:30:58 AM): Actually!
spies8lilith (1:31:01 AM): Ok, this is really weird.
spies8claude (1:31:19 AM): I read alot of the republican forum threads, and just couldn't figure out why Gabe would get targeted.
spies8lilith (1:31:24 AM): I am really into the unconscious and stuff and thus why I am looking at how people use and what words they choose.
spies8claude (1:31:33 AM): Me too.
spies8claude (1:31:43 AM): Sometimes it gets me into trouble, because other people like..really just don't get it.
spies8claude (1:31:53 AM): I get accused of playing semantics so much.
spies8lilith (1:32:14 AM): I had a weird dream the other night I was playing spies and we were all in a room writing on paper (like chats, but we wrote it and showed it to eachother, and for whatever reason my brother and sister were playing) and we found a cop that said Rodnie (It was a dream, i don't remember the name, let's say Ronnie) was mafia.
spies8lilith (1:32:22 AM): So i thought it might be my unconscious tellin me Rodnak was mafia...
spies8claude (1:32:27 AM): lol
spies8claude (1:32:30 AM): interesting
spies8lilith (1:32:51 AM): But in all honesty, I hadn't really read a lot of Rodnak's stuff consciously (I've read chats mostly around Alexei and watching what he said to people and how they reacted)
spies8lilith (1:32:54 AM): but that's silly, so anyways, lol
spies8claude (1:33:18 AM): I really need to read up more on Alexei's interactions.
spies8claude (1:33:25 AM): There has to be something there..there always is.
spies8lilith (1:33:29 AM): XD
spies8claude (1:33:40 AM): If he sucked up to anyone alot, that person is probably a Spy.
spies8claude (1:34:09 AM): One thing I don't like about this chat based mafia, it is very hard to get a person one on one and get a read on them, because they can just be talking to some spy buddy and getting coached.
spies8lilith (1:34:32 AM): I feel uncertain of my method of looking at people now that Themba is not a spy. Although, she didn't even get online so I could actively engage with her. I had said several times I wanted to talk to her some more so I could be completely confident or back off). And talking to Isaac one-on-one I was pretty confident in him.
spies8lilith (1:34:55 AM): But I feel like Isaac if he is mafia, why not vote for Themba ?
spies8lilith (1:34:57 AM): I don't know.
spies8claude (1:35:09 AM): Why bother when you don't have to?
spies8claude (1:35:19 AM): He enforced the case on her by agreeing with all of the points against her.
spies8lilith (1:35:20 AM): Why bother what?
spies8claude (1:35:31 AM): And then didn't have to get his hands dirty, instead voting Jasmine.
spies8lilith (1:35:35 AM): I still feel his reasons were insincere.
spies8claude (1:35:45 AM): They were.
spies8lilith (1:35:47 AM): But now I just don't know.
spies8lilith (1:35:51 AM): Maybe I AM just a bad reader of people.
spies8claude (1:35:58 AM): I think he was acting from a mindset of knowing too much
spies8lilith (1:36:03 AM): Maybe the people voting Jasmine with me were spies encouraging me.
spies8claude (1:36:10 AM): When you KNOW that you're making a bad argument, it is really hard to make it convincing.
spies8claude (1:36:30 AM): I honestly don't think Jasmine is a Spy at all.
spies8lilith (1:36:35 AM): Really?
spies8claude (1:36:38 AM): Yeah.
spies8lilith (1:36:42 AM): I keep going back and forth on her.
spies8claude (1:36:43 AM): I talked to her tons when she was a Democrat.
spies8lilith (1:36:52 AM): Like, I don't think a spy would be so obnoxious in chats.
spies8claude (1:36:58 AM): And she always seemed genuine to me.
spies8claude (1:37:02 AM): Annoying, but genuine.
spies8lilith (1:37:04 AM): On our side she was overexaggering (to me anyways) that the old republicans were goin after the old dems.
spies8lilith (1:37:13 AM): And i feel like she sucks up to me at times .
spies8claude (1:37:16 AM): She has somewhat of a persecution complex I think.
spies8claude (1:37:29 AM): Or is roleplaying one, or whatever. Stupid roleplaying.
spies8lilith (1:37:34 AM): Like the first time, she kept saying "OMG DOES ANYONE ELSE LOVE LIL" and I finally said "Each time u say that i think u might be a spy" and she just got really quiet
spies8lilith (1:37:40 AM): I was half joking, but half bein serious, lol.
spies8claude (1:38:22 AM): If she were a Spy, I don't think she would have voted Chance on Day 1.
spies8lilith (1:38:43 AM): Actually, the way she told me she thinks Chance is a spy made me think Chance was a spy.
spies8lilith (1:38:50 AM): That doesn't make much logical sense.
spies8claude (1:38:57 AM): I will be just dumbfounded if chance is not a spy
spies8claude (1:39:04 AM): He is so like..slippery.
spies8lilith (1:39:54 AM): slippery?
spies8lilith (1:40:00 AM): i haven't really read up on him
spies8lilith (1:40:04 AM): i've been focusing on my side, lol
spies8claude (1:40:09 AM): Yeah like, everything he says can be interpreted in more than one way
spies8claude (1:40:18 AM): And if you try to corner him, he's just like 'Oh I meant it like this'
spies8lilith (1:40:35 AM): I've said that before, LOL. When people misunderstand me.
spies8claude (1:40:35 AM): And you can see how that would be possible, but other ways of interpreting it(ways that make him look bad) make so much more sense.
spies8lilith (1:40:37 AM): I don't say "OH"
spies8claude (1:40:46 AM): Well, he didn't/doesn't really say oh
spies8lilith (1:40:46 AM): I just say "You misunderstood, this is what I am saying..."
spies8lilith (1:40:47 AM):
spies8claude (1:40:49 AM): He just acts all surprised.
spies8claude (1:40:57 AM): Yeah but I doubt you do it on a constant basis.
spies8lilith (1:40:58 AM): I think I act frustrated, LOL.
spies8claude (1:41:03 AM): You'd have to read up on him, I suppose.
spies8lilith (1:41:09 AM): I think I've only done it today and one other time though, lol.
spies8claude (1:41:11 AM): Like on Day 1.
spies8lilith (1:41:33 AM): Or mostly with Dane when he tried to mistinrepret what I was saying. Making giant leaps of assumptions on how I play the game. --_--
spies8claude is available (1:42:22 AM)
spies8claude (1:42:51 AM): It was brought to everyone's attention that Tina and Cory were talking to each other the very first night of the game. This bothered me a little, because I was very suspicious of Cory at the time, and he had been presenting such an abrasive front that I honestly thought only another Spy would talk to him privately.
spies8claude (1:43:01 AM): It didn't bother me much, so I didn't say anything about it.
spies8lilith (1:43:22 AM): I think Tina talks to a lot of people.
spies8claude (1:43:24 AM): I told something that they had been talking after alignment was announced, but, before teams.
spies8claude (1:43:29 AM): Chance was like 'No it was after teams'
spies8claude (1:43:38 AM): Which would have pretty clearly indicated that they were both Spies.
spies8lilith (1:44:03 AM):
spies8claude (1:44:09 AM): So I said 'I think they're both Spies'. Eventually it was worked out that I was right in the first place(it was before teams), and Chance spent days trying to turn this into a point against me.
spies8lilith (1:44:10 AM): Why would he say it was after teams?
spies8claude (1:44:23 AM): He says he misunderstood or something.
spies8claude (1:44:26 AM): Which is possible
spies8claude (1:44:37 AM): But trying to turn it into a point against me was absurd.
spies8lilith (1:44:56 AM): I feel like there are some people that turn small things and make it into an argument because they think they are on to something (i would say a decent amount of mafia players do this).
spies8claude is available (1:44:59 AM)
spies8lilith (1:45:09 AM): How did he explain his misunderstanding?
spies8claude (1:45:09 AM): Ah
spies8claude (1:45:13 AM): I'm definitely guilty of that
spies8claude (1:45:20 AM): Said he remembered the times wrong, I think.
spies8claude (1:45:26 AM): He tried to downplay it. Shockingly.
spies8claude (1:46:03 AM): When Camilla was under fire, he defended her avidly, also.
spies8claude (1:46:15 AM): To the point that I don't feel a citizen would defend another person they don't know anything about.
spies8claude (1:46:49 AM): And then on Day 2, when Margot was the hot topic, he just said nothing about her. It was very inconsistent.
spies8lilith (1:46:53 AM): I kind of defend Jasmine even though I was unsure of her. I just felt more confident in Themba, LOL.
spies8claude (1:47:08 AM): Kind of defending someone is one thing.
spies8claude (1:47:15 AM): He might as well have been her attorney.
spies8lilith (1:51:00 AM): I almost feel like I would do that too, depending on my motives, lol.
spies8claude (1:51:11 AM): If you were a Citizen, really?
spies8lilith (1:51:13 AM): Like if I really wanted someone else lynched, I think i would have defended Jasmine.
spies8claude (1:51:16 AM): It's a big risk to take.
spies8lilith (1:51:23 AM): To fight in what you think is right?
spies8claude (1:51:28 AM): If it doesn't work and that person gets lynched and is a Spy..you're dead.
spies8lilith (1:51:28 AM): How is that a big risk?
spies8lilith (1:52:03 AM): mmmm, but at that point you're already shown that your ideas are wrong, and so it'd be better off without you, LOL
spies8lilith (1:52:08 AM): I don't know, I think it's worth the risk.
spies8claude (1:52:26 AM): Just because you're wrong once doesn't mean that you're not capable of being an asset.
spies8lilith (1:52:26 AM): You know you are a citizen, you know other people are spies trying to taint your suscpions.
spies8lilith (1:52:52 AM): True.
spies8lilith (1:55:16 AM): Where is the "Away Thread"?
spies8claude (1:55:24 AM): I dunno.
spies8claude (1:55:40 AM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=178
spies8claude (1:55:45 AM): I found it
spies8lilith (1:55:51 AM): thanks ^_^
spies8lilith (1:56:08 AM): LOL I thought that thread was about away messages, haha.
spies8claude (1:56:19 AM): haha
spies8claude (1:58:43 AM): Hmm, I think I misremembered something earlier.
spies8claude (1:58:57 AM): It wasn't Rondak that I talked to.
spies8claude (1:59:04 AM): It was either Hambone or Allan.
spies8lilith (1:59:50 AM): ?
spies8lilith (1:59:53 AM): about what part? lol
spies8claude (1:59:53 AM): Allan said that he thought the spies targeted Gabe because they were 'scared of another Doc save'
spies8claude (2:00:00 AM): 'so they just went for someone no one would expect'
spies8lilith (2:00:08 AM): Woah
spies8lilith (2:00:09 AM): Really!?
spies8claude (2:00:13 AM): Yeah.
spies8lilith (2:00:15 AM): That's what people on my side thought
spies8lilith (2:00:20 AM): And that sounded really dumb to me.
spies8claude (2:00:22 AM): ...
spies8claude (2:00:24 AM): Everyone is dumb
spies8claude (2:00:30 AM): lol
spies8lilith (2:00:31 AM): Do you agree it doesn't make a lot of sense?
spies8claude (2:00:33 AM): well, at least we agree.
spies8claude (2:00:36 AM): It's retarded.
spies8lilith (2:00:40 AM): But, why would people on both sides say that?
spies8claude (2:00:50 AM): Well, Allan was on your side before.
spies8lilith (2:00:59 AM): O wait, this was before the switch
spies8lilith (2:01:00 AM): nevermind
spies8lilith (2:01:01 AM): LOL
spies8lilith (2:01:05 AM): i thought we had caught something
spies8lilith (2:01:07 AM): hahahaha
spies8claude (2:01:09 AM): haha
spies8claude (2:01:11 AM): If only.
spies8claude (2:01:21 AM): Allan asked me to target him with my ability
spies8claude (2:01:29 AM): Supposedly so that he could 'verify' it.
spies8lilith (2:01:37 AM): Did you use your ability on anyone?
spies8claude (2:01:39 AM): Still kind of bugs me.
spies8claude (2:01:43 AM): Today? Not yet.
spies8lilith (2:01:52 AM): At the exile today you didn't/
spies8lilith (2:01:53 AM): ?
spies8claude (2:02:05 AM): Yesterday I targeted Chance..again.
spies8claude (2:02:23 AM): I have to use it between the end of the exile period and the beginning(before) the next imprisonment
spies8lilith (2:02:34 AM): Oooo
spies8lilith (2:02:35 AM): kk
spies8claude (2:02:41 AM): Sam says he is going to post something to my confessional explaining how it works in regard to Owen.
spies8claude (2:03:16 AM): It will be sweet if I can limit everyone to voting 3 people that I am suspicious of.
spies8claude (2:03:22 AM): but I strongly doubt that is how it's going to work, heh.
spies8lilith (2:03:37 AM): lol
spies8lilith (2:03:49 AM): I thought you could prevent someone from voting or being voted for?
spies8claude (2:04:01 AM): No.
spies8claude (2:04:15 AM): I have 3 abilites, and I can't use any of them more than once until I use each one.
spies8claude (2:04:39 AM): I can A)prevent a person from voting at all, B)prevent a person from voting 2 specific people or C)limit a person to only voting 3 specific people.
spies8lilith (2:05:37 AM): What have u used so far?
spies8claude (2:05:48 AM): The first time I used it, I prevented chance from voting at all.
spies8claude (2:06:09 AM): The second time, I prevented chance from voting myself or jasmine(not thinking about the fact that she had been moved to the other team at that point, heH).
spies8lilith (2:08:21 AM): lol
spies8lilith (2:08:29 AM): Did he verify these? (I'm assuming yes )
spies8claude (2:08:36 AM): yeah he did
spies8claude (2:08:49 AM): But he made sure to include the 'possibility' that I could just be covering for another spies actions.
spies8claude (2:11:11 AM): Do you know if there is a thread that includes everyone's final vote for the day?
spies8lilith (2:11:21 AM): Yes
spies8lilith (2:11:27 AM): In the exile thread thing ?
spies8claude (2:11:29 AM): Seems like there would be.
spies8lilith (2:11:32 AM): I doubt it's updated
spies8claude (2:11:33 AM): That makes sense.
spies8claude (2:11:36 AM):
spies8lilith (2:11:49 AM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=exile&action=display&thread=383
spies8lilith (2:11:58 AM): wroing one, the other is probably updated
spies8lilith (2:12:06 AM): o wait, no it's not
spies8lilith (2:12:15 AM): chat 3 transcripot is
spies8claude (2:12:17 AM): it's not, blah.
spies8claude (2:13:07 AM): Stephanie didn't vote for Alexei Day 1.
spies8lilith (2:13:12 AM): What was with Mag? Did she confess to bein a spy?
spies8claude (2:13:15 AM): That is not helping your sincere read on her
spies8claude (2:13:17 AM): Nah.
spies8claude (2:13:23 AM): She is just..I don't even know how to describe her.
spies8lilith (2:13:29 AM): It helps my sincere read on her . Her explanations sound real to me, lol.
spies8claude (2:13:37 AM): I'll ask her about it.
spies8claude (2:13:45 AM): And try to find some discussion from her about it when ht happened.
spies8claude (2:13:46 AM): it
spies8claude (2:14:01 AM): She voted Savannah
spies8claude (2:14:06 AM): Whom did she vote today
spies8claude (2:14:07 AM): let's see
spies8claude (2:15:20 AM): Today she voted for Lawrence.
spies8claude (2:15:26 AM): The final vote was pretty close.
spies8claude (2:15:37 AM): So that's most likely a point in her favor.
spies8lilith (2:15:48 AM): she also voted Mag over Themba
spies8lilith (2:15:49 AM): i think
spies8lilith (2:21:28 AM): OMG
spies8lilith (2:21:29 AM): LOL
spies8claude (2:21:37 AM): ?
spies8lilith (2:22:40 AM): Nothing, lol.
spies8claude (2:22:46 AM): No fiar.
spies8claude (2:22:48 AM): fair
spies8claude (2:22:50 AM): Must be something
spies8claude (2:22:59 AM): Now who isn't being sincere
spies8lilith (2:22:59 AM): Had to do with Spies, but not this game, jus the Spies series in general .
spies8lilith (2:23:03 AM): lol
spies8lilith (2:25:46 AM): I am out for tonight Mr.
spies8claude (2:25:55 AM): Alright, nice talking to you.
spies8lilith (2:26:21 AM): Same to you

[Lilith]

spies8jenny is available (1:10:02 AM)
spies8jenny (1:10:01 AM): Hi Lily!
spies8jenny (1:10:05 AM): You see the imprisonment yet?
spies8lilith (1:10:06 AM): Hello
spies8lilith (1:10:10 AM): Yes
spies8lilith (1:10:18 AM): Although it does say third party, I still think she was useful.
spies8jenny (1:10:29 AM): That's what I'm currently trying to tell these guys.
spies8lilith (1:10:33 AM): Also to note: Exile 3 she wanted Mag to go over Themba
spies8jenny (1:10:42 AM): Ni-Ni had claimed it to me before thinking I was a spy, and hoping not to get imprisoned.
spies8lilith (1:10:47 AM):
spies8lilith (1:10:49 AM): Intersting
spies8lilith (1:10:50 AM): lol
spies8lilith (1:10:55 AM): She though you were a spy then? LOL
spies8jenny (1:10:57 AM): And I'm trying to tell them that there was no point in telling people about it, as long as she agreed to help the cits.
spies8lilith (1:10:58 AM): *thought
spies8jenny is available (1:11:02 AM)
spies8lilith (1:11:10 AM): She would tell spies so that they don't imprison her
spies8jenny (1:11:13 AM): All it would have done is make the town go "OH NO, THIRD PARTY, KILL IT, KILL IT!"
spies8jenny (1:11:20 AM): And it'd still not be a spy exile.
spies8jenny is available (1:13:18 AM)
spies8jenny (1:13:48 AM): I'll probably want to talk to you for a while, but I don't have any specific questions right now. Just hoping to have a chat at some point when there's time.
spies8jenny is available (1:15:03 AM)
spies8lilith (1:15:12 AM): Ok .
spies8jenny (1:15:28 AM): Happy 4th of July!
spies8lilith (1:15:36 AM): Thank you, you are sweet .
spies8jenny (1:23:15 AM): Anything you want to bring up while you're here?
spies8jenny is available (1:24:21 AM)
spies8lilith (1:25:50 AM): No ... lol.
spies8jenny (1:26:39 AM): You ever manage to get caught up with everything?
spies8lilith (1:30:15 AM): Not EVERYTHING, I was content with being knowledgeable about the here and now, but NOW there is a bunch of new people in the mix.
spies8jenny is available (1:31:02 AM)
spies8jenny (1:31:21 AM): Yaaaay people!
spies8lilith (1:32:01 AM): I'm on vacation at the moment, so I won't really be able to attempt to do stuff and focus on it until Monday unfortunately.
spies8jenny is available (1:32:34 AM)
spies8jenny (1:32:34 AM): That's a pretty good reason.
spies8jenny is available (1:46:00 AM)

[Lilith]

spies8jenny: Alright, well even if you can't use the group chat thing.
spies8lilith:
spies8jenny: We can still talk and stuff. :-)
spies8lilith: Ok .
spies8lilith: I am doing forum stuff.
spies8lilith: Responding to Broderick.
spies8lilith: And then making my own post .
spies8jenny: So who are you thinking so far?
spies8lilith: What did I miss about the Allan thing?
spies8lilith: It just doesn't make sense to me, I think I didn't get all the information though, lol.
spies8jenny: Okies, apparently.
spies8jenny: Al got a message in his confessional.
spies8lilith: I think I finally just got what owen was saying.
spies8jenny: It claimed to be from Savanny from the Viewer's Lounge, saying that Gabe-Gabe was the doctor and that Ni-Ni was being protected the first night.
spies8lilith: A spy messenger sent something to Allan?
spies8lilith: Is what Owen is suggesting - I mean.
spies8jenny: Al apparently talked to Owen about it, and sent him a copy of the message.
spies8jenny: Using Al's power to do so.
spies8jenny: After Chance's remark about the doctor came out, and I got to talk with owen about what I knew of it.
spies8jenny: Owen came out and said what he knew of it.
spies8jenny: There's no way that they'd allow a dead player to send messages to the living, role or not.
spies8jenny: So it has to be a spy with the same role that Savanny had. We've seen messengers on both teams before in a past game, so it's not impossible either.
spies8jenny: That pretended to be Savanny.
spies8jenny: Speaking of which by the way, when you put your vote on Al, you sounded like you already knew that Al wasn't the doctor. How come?
spies8jenny: I mean that Gabe-Gabe wasn't.
spies8jenny: Blargity.
spies8jenny: You still there?
spies8lilith: Yes, finishing writing up something, brb.
spies8jenny: Okies
spies8jenny: Looks like you finished posting, could you answer my question when you get a moment?
spies8lilith: What do you want me to say?
spies8jenny: It sounded like you already knew that Gabe-Gabe wasn't a spy, before you knew what was going on with the whole messenger thing. How come?
spies8jenny: I mean not spy
spies8jenny: doctor
spies8jenny: blarg, it's 3 am, I fail at typing.
spies8lilith: Lol.
spies8lilith: What do you think I am going to tell you?
spies8jenny: An answer?
spies8jenny: The first thing that came to mind really was that either the doc claimed to you, or that you are the doctor, which is why I didn't want to bring it up in the group chat.
spies8jenny: "Hey let's tell 11 other people that you are or know who the doctor is, what could possibly go wrong?"
spies8lilith: Huh?
spies8jenny: When you put a nomination on Al, you did so because you said that Al was lying about Gabe-Gabe being the doctor, because it wasn't him. But it sounds like you weren't exactly clear on what was going on with that at the time yet. So I was curious what made you say that, because the only thing thing that came to mind when I thought it over was that you knew who the doctor was somehow or another, and thus would know that it wasn't Gabe-Gabe.
spies8jenny: Could be entierly wrong though, which is why I wanted to ask you what made you say that.
spies8jenny: Hey Lily?
spies8lilith: Yes?
spies8jenny: I saw you edited your original post, but your quoted version of the post looks the same. You might want to adjust that too. :-)
spies8jenny: The one you're retracting your vote in I mean has the original wording of your vote allan post.
spies8lilith: ?
spies8jenny: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=burg&thread=884&post=4751
spies8jenny: Weird. Edits not working right for some reason?
spies8lilith: Everything is good now.
spies8jenny: I assume you weren't trying to triple post there.

And I'm not trying to pick on you at all, just wanting to help point out where it was.
spies8jenny: Okies, looks like it worked that way.
spies8jenny: Yay! :-)
spies8lilith: Are you a spy Jenny?
spies8jenny: nope!
spies8jenny: I imagine that didn't really help you though.
spies8lilith: I know.
spies8jenny: Did I get to show you my board game note charts?
spies8lilith: No ?
spies8jenny: Came up in the group chat earlier. Slightly outdated after what came up tonight already, but I can show you what I showed them earlier.
spies8lilith: You are playing a board game?
spies8lilith: Bad joke, heh.
spies8jenny: i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture106.jpg

i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture109.jpg
spies8jenny: Orange side - Top is confirmed citizens (which is pretty much just me and the dead cits), and goes down from there.

Blue side - Top is confirmed spies (meaning Lexi), and goes down from there, until you hit darth maul, and then it's people I just plain don't know yet about.

spies8jenny: Spice was asking me about my suspicions after wondering how looking for cits helped, and I figured it'd be easiest to show that.
spies8lilith: How do you have a list for every single one of us?
spies8lilith: I guess for me, there's several people who I would just put in the middle since I haven't spoken to them yet.
spies8jenny: What do you mean a list for everyone? Why wouldn't I put everyone on there?
spies8lilith: I mean, for me, I haven't been ABLE to analyze everyone.
spies8jenny: That's what the group under darth maul is for, the ones I just don't know yet for, or haven't really gotten to see yet.
spies8lilith: ah, ok
spies8lilith: I can't see your pictures very well, who are your top suspects? :-P
spies8jenny: yeah it's a little blurry
spies8jenny: that's what happens with a shaky hand.
spies8jenny: the highest one is obviously lexi, then the three below that are stephi, zeddy, and maggie, although I'm going to move her down a bit when I get a chance.
spies8jenny: claude was the one below that
spies8jenny: and then the next group of three is ricky, rondie, and lucky, although lucky I've since moved to the orange side after what happened tonight.
spies8lilith: Who are Lucky and Ricky?
spies8jenny: After that you can probably see it ok.
spies8lilith: Chance? And Broderick?
spies8lilith: lol
spies8jenny: Lucky = Chance
Ricky = Broderick
spies8lilith: kk
spies8lilith: I'm going to bed, sorry.
spies8jenny: Okies!
spies8lilith: I am thinking of voting you for nomination, lol.
spies8jenny: Aww, how come?
spies8lilith: My initial read from reading transcripts was that you were a spy. Talking to you, the niceness covers that really well.
spies8lilith: The picture thing just throws me off COMPLETELY on what to think.
spies8jenny: Hopefully in a good way at least
spies8jenny: Oh hey, Sammy just came on, if you want to tell him about the parental control problem
spies8lilith: I am .
spies8jenny: Okies, good :-)

I really don't get what most of the case seems to be on me though. As far as I can tell, I'm suspicious because I'm giving information?
spies8lilith: You asking me why I thought Gabe wasn't the doctor strikes me as a little suspect, to be honest.
spies8jenny: Which you never really did answer
spies8lilith: Nobody else asked me though. They only said don't talk about it. I just find it odd you're the only one to ask me :-P.
spies8jenny: Well if I read it as you possibly knowing who the doctor is, then I figure I can't be the only one.
spies8jenny: Which is why I was glad to help point out where you still needed to edit, after I noticed you were doing that.
spies8jenny: No need to let possible spies see that and wonder the same thing.
spies8lilith: Everyone will wonder it now .
spies8jenny: Why? I asked you in private, not the group chat.
spies8lilith: I think they will though, lol.
spies8lilith: Atleast someone on tonight was a spy .
spies8lilith: And will pass it along.
spies8lilith: Or someone will see I edited a bunch and wonder.
spies8jenny: Well hopefully the rest of the spies are as clever as the one that decided to pose as a dead player talking from the viewer's area.
spies8jenny: If anyone asks about the edited post though along with the triple post thing, just say you were trying to fix some spelling or something.
spies8jenny: Alright I got work in the morning myself, so maybe we can talk more tomorrow :-)
spies8jenny: Night!
spies8lilith: Night!
spies8jenny signed off at 4:01:00 AM.

[Lilith]

[18:38] spies8lilith: Didn't you give Gertrude exile protection?
[18:39] spies8lilith: I kind of just assumed it was your power thing, but then you bring up the point that no one's curious about it and now I am confused .
[19:43] Meebo Message: spies8claude is offline
[20:08] Meebo Message: spies8claude is online
[20:09] spies8claude: pffft
[20:09] spies8claude: That is not my power, and I definitely wouldn't have used it on gert
[20:09] spies8lilith: Oh .
[20:09] spies8lilith: Someone said you could make people immune from being voted though ??
[20:09] spies8claude: NAh
[20:10] spies8claude: I can make people unable to vote for a day.
[20:10] spies8lilith: Really?
[20:10] spies8lilith: Someone said you were suspcious because you used your power to make your top suspect immune from a vote (I heard this before the merge).
[20:10] spies8claude: Well, that is one of my abilities.
[20:10] spies8claude: Wait sorry
[20:10] spies8claude: Yeah.
[20:11] spies8lilith: Have you used your power on anyone this round?
[20:11] spies8claude: I can make someone unable to vote. I can make someone unable to vote 2 particular people.
[20:11] spies8claude: And I can make someone only able to vote 3 particular people
[20:11] spies8claude: Right now I can only affect nominations, not votes
[20:11] spies8claude: so I targeted allan.
[20:11] spies8lilith: Has he confirmed anything?
[20:12] spies8claude: yeah
[20:12] spies8claude: In PM to me at least, he confirmed that he was notified
[20:12] spies8claude: I directed him, to only be able to nominate Chance, Isaac, Gert.
[20:13] spies8lilith: What happens if he voted someone else?
[20:13] spies8claude: He cannot nominate anyone else.
[21:53] spies8lilith: CLAUDE
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Share 'Meebo Notifier'spies8tina is online - Not here.[18:21] spies8lilith: I am very unsure about Hambone .
[18:21] spies8tina: That was a fun conversation last night.
[18:21] spies8lilith: I talked to him today, it almost seemed to me like he was trying to confirm if I was the doctor or not.
[18:22] spies8lilith: He talks about Nita being the original save, like if he was trying to test. Him only knowing who the original save was if he were a spy.
[18:22] spies8lilith: I said talks, I meant talked. He made a few brief comments that seemed like he was tryin to get info out of me.
[18:23] spies8tina: Im not too sure what he was thinking there. All I know is he completely paniced to me flipped out over you being the doctor.
[18:23] spies8tina: I think he convinced himself of that immediately.
[18:24] spies8tina: Tried to do my best to keep him neutral on it but convinced him more I think.
[18:24] spies8lilith: Also, he made a comment that made me think he knew YOU were the original save. I do not know who was the original save. I am highly guessing it wasn't Nita (unless Gabe was doctor, which I am very highly confident he wasn't). I believe whoever it was would be saved repeatedly by doctor, as it's the doctor's only ally.
[18:25] spies8tina: Ok.
[18:26] spies8lilith: Lol.
[18:26] spies8tina: I am not goint to say if I was the save or not.
[18:27] spies8lilith: You don't have to, but if you were and you know it, I'd be very wary of Hambone, unless you already told him that you were . In which case, that point is useless.
[18:27] spies8tina: Ok.
[18:40] spies8lilith: I don't think I mentioned to you (I talked to Hambone about it).
[18:41] spies8lilith: But I feel like the rumor "that there's more spies on the original republicans" was something intiated or empowered by the spies. The fact that original republicans have both been imprisoned makes me feel like it's the original dems who have the more spies. I feel like the "Kill the original republicans!" may be something the spies are using because A) original republicans have the fewer number of spies and if the doctor is on that side, maybe they want to narrow down the field and get them out quicker
[18:41] spies8lilith: should be a B )
[18:41] spies8lilith:
[18:42] spies8lilith: that sohuld be an OR not an AND between A) and B )
[18:42] spies8lilith:
[18:42] spies8tina: Heh.
[18:42] spies8lilith: No thoughts on that?
[18:42] spies8tina: I would need to read into it a bit.
[18:42] spies8tina: My thoughts is that it was somewhat close, 5-2 at worst.
[18:43] spies8lilith: But the whole Town hypothesizing on which side they were on at the beginning without reason just seems odd to me.
[18:43] spies8lilith: Although, I realize I am doing it now, LOL.
[18:46] spies8tina: I am not super into speculating at this point over all of that.
[19:03] spies8lilith: My gut still actually tells me Jenny is a spy, even though her actions don't make sense to me, LOL.
[19:03] spies8lilith: I feel like it is smarter to go with my original instinct on her.
[19:05] spies8tina: Jenny is a hard read.
[19:12] spies8lilith: Someone told me something about Nita grilling people and that Themba passed. Was there anyone grilled that didn't pass?
[19:12] spies8tina: Don't know.
[19:13] spies8tina: I know she came to the "crazy or spy" conclusion on Steph.
[19:13] spies8lilith:
[19:13] spies8lilith: Oh wait!
[19:13] spies8lilith: Isaac isn't an original republican!
[19:13] spies8tina: Right.
[19:14] spies8tina: Isaac, Jasmine, Lawrence, Broderick and Someone I am blanking on came from dems.
[19:14] spies8tina: Oh yeah.
[19:15] spies8tina: You.
[19:15] spies8lilith: I don't want an original republican to go home. These imprisonments don't make much sense to me. Both were original reps, Gabe wasn't on to anyone, Nita hadn't done anything as of recent.
[19:16] spies8tina: Both were widely considered citizen though.
[19:16] spies8lilith: Gabe was?
[19:16] spies8tina: I do not know anyone who did not think that.
[19:16] spies8lilith: Ahhh, ok.
[19:16] spies8lilith: Nobody on the original democrat side is widely considered citizen?
[19:17] spies8tina: Maybe Awohali.
[19:17] spies8lilith: Really?
[19:17] spies8tina: I have not heard much if anything bad about him.
[20:01] spies8lilith: I just thought of something. What if Isaac's accusations looked false to me because they were. What if Isaac was only going after Jasmine as a bus? Like, what if Isaac and Jasmine are together. Why aren't either of them attacking eachother this round?
[20:01] spies8tina: Isaac appears to be basically gone this round.
[20:01] spies8lilith: O
[20:01] spies8lilith: I didn't realize that, lol.
[20:12] spies8lilith: Ok, I just had a really weird idea.
[20:12] spies8lilith: What if Claude's "ability to only vote certain people" is really the messenger pretending to be Sam?
[20:13] spies8lilith: O wait, Allan will know next round then, lol.
[20:13] spies8tina: I think if that was the case the person would get penalty votes when they didn't vote.
[20:14] spies8lilith: Oh, you are correct, lol.
[20:14] spies8lilith: I thought someone said he had the power to make someone immune from the vote.
[20:14] spies8tina: That is someone else he claims.
[20:15] spies8lilith: Someone said it earlier though to me, while on teams.
[20:15] spies8lilith: That Claude used it to make Chance immune or something.
[20:16] spies8tina: I thought immune was his doing for a while.
[20:16] spies8tina: After looking at enough logs it appears to have just been coinidence.
[20:46] spies8lilith: Steph made a good point to me about Jenny XD.
[20:48] spies8tina: Oh?
[20:49] spies8lilith: That maybe Jenny was afraid Nita had told OTHERS as well, or had told others that she had talked to Jenny about it.
[20:51] spies8tina: Well, I am not sure how Jenny would respond to that.
[20:51] spies8tina: I know that I would do a deer in the headlights move if someone claimed neutral to me.
[20:54] spies8lilith: Who are you voting for? Isaac?
[20:54] spies8tina: Right.
[21:25] spies8tina: I found the relevent part of the chat where Jenny says Nita claimed to her.
[21:25] spies8lilith: ?
[21:25] spies8tina: [20:43] spies8jenny: 17:46] spies8jenny: I hope you aren't still looking for spy friends, I want you to help the cits! No knifebacking!
[17:46] spies8nita: Jenny today I think about what if I do that
[17:46] spies8nita: The problem?
[17:46] spies8nita: Ain't nobody here cept maybe Rondak who can keep a secret
[17:46] spies8nita: Y I no think Rondak es a spy
[17:46] spies8nita: You two I think be the only ones
[17:46] spies8nita: So I say somethin to anyone else, game over for Nita
[20:44] spies8jasmine: so rondak knew?
[20:44] spies8hambone: it seems he may have
[20:44] spies8jenny: No

[21:26] spies8tina: Sounds like she only claimed to Jenny, but considered Rondak.
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spies8stephanie is offlinespies8stephanie is offlineShare 'Meebo Notifier'spies8jenny is away - I'll be right back[18:20] spies8lilith: Did you and Lawrence talk after or before I went offline earlier?
[18:20] spies8jenny: Hi Lily!

Yeah we talked for a few minutes.
[18:22] spies8jenny: Why do you ask?
[18:22] spies8lilith: I think Lawrence is spyish.
[18:23] spies8jenny: I've heard a few people say that, but I've yet to really hear much about why.
[18:45] spies8jenny: Just checked what we talked about after seeing your post.
[18:45] spies8lilith: ?
[18:45] spies8jenny: We actually didn't go into stephi much, I mostly brought him up to speed with what happened last night.
[18:45] spies8lilith: What do you mean?
[18:45] spies8jenny: 16:19] spies8lawrence: And trying to decide which is the better strategy for nominations--give Owen as much choice as I can, or just go with the person I think is most suspicious. Of course, it may not be mutually exclusive from the looks of things.
[16:20] spies8jenny: Who are you suspecting for the time being?
[16:21] spies8lawrence: Magalie is still my top suspect. Followed by Chance, Stephanie and Isaac to lesser degrees; Jasmine, Brody, Tina, and Gertie trying to watch closely.
[16:22] spies8jenny: Chance doesn't make sense to me as a spy after what happened last night.
[16:23] spies8lawrence: What happened?
[16:23] spies8lawrence: I haven't gotten to the log thread yet.
[18:46] spies8jenny: After that I just told him about the whole spy messenger thing that came up last night, and soon after that I had to leave work.
[18:47] spies8lilith: Wait, what happened with Chance?
[18:47] spies8jenny: Lucky had posted a thread on me saying he suspected me after Al came out and said that he found out Gabe-Gabe was the doctor.
[18:47] spies8jenny: Not long after that the reason he thought that came out, and he apparently got a message in his confessional saying as such, apparently from Savanny from the Viewer's area.
[18:48] spies8jenny: Which is a load of dookie that Sammy would ever allow a role to be used after they died.
[18:48] spies8jenny: Which means it's likely a spy version of the same role, especially since there was one on both teams the last time this role came up.
[18:48] spies8lilith: How does that make Chance look better?
[18:49] spies8jenny: To me that makes it less likely that Lucky is a spy, because it doesn't make sense for him to post a case on me based on what he would have known to have been from a spy role, instead of just copying reasons other people had already said. The whole reason we figured out that spy messenger thing was because he put that case up.
[18:49] spies8jenny: And to heck with WIFOM.
[19:07] spies8lilith: Did you tell Lawrence you suspected Steph?
[19:07] spies8jenny: I don't think so, but let me look to be sure.
[19:07] spies8jenny: Nope, just asked him who he thought of, and then we talked about Lucky.
[19:07] spies8lilith: What happened after that?
[19:08] spies8jenny: I shut down the work computer, and drove home.
[19:08] spies8lilith: You are doing this at work!? lol
[19:08] spies8lilith: I'm going to fire you and take your position .
[19:08] spies8jenny: Meebo is really helpful.
[19:08] spies8jenny:
[19:09] spies8jenny: We were shutting down for the day by then. The last hour is pretty much just backing things up, and closing everything out.
[19:10] spies8lilith: Can you get me a job?
[19:10] spies8jenny:
[20:40] spies8jenny: Welcome back!
[21:44] spies8lilith: Why is Darth Maul there again? LOL
[21:53] spies8jenny: Below that is where I'm just not sure on them.
[21:53] spies8jenny: Above it is where I am leaning spy.
[21:53] spies8jenny: It's slightly outdated already though.
[21:54] spies8lilith: When did you put darth maul there?
[21:54] spies8jenny: What do you mean when?
[21:54] spies8lilith: Like, when? LOL
[21:54] spies8lilith: Today? Yesterday?
[21:54] spies8jenny: When I was setting up my chart?
[21:54] spies8lilith: Sure ^_^
[21:55] spies8jenny: The pictures I posted are from a day or two ago, but I've been using that chart and adjusting it since about episode 2.
[21:55] spies8jenny: Took me that long to get a printout of the leaderboard to cut up for it.
[21:56] spies8lilith: Who have you moved around the most?
[21:56] spies8jenny: Everyone's gotten moved at some point or another, if only for better placement of the chart. The only ones that haven't really moved much are the ones in the unknown area.
[22:01] spies8lilith: Btw, I have that game you are using, LOL.
[22:01] spies8jenny: Epic Duels?
[22:01] spies8lilith: Yes!
[22:01] spies8jenny: Oh man some of those decks are so unbalanced.
[22:01] spies8lilith: My family played it awhile when we first got it, but now we don't play anymore .
[22:01] spies8jenny: Yoda just destroys everything when I play him.
[22:01] spies8lilith: I just be the bounty hunter .
[22:01] spies8lilith: Is he good or bad?
[22:01] spies8jenny: And some of the cards never seemed to make much sense to me.
[22:02] spies8lilith: I want to play now, so much easier than this game, LOL.
[22:02] spies8jenny: From the wording.
[22:02] spies8jenny:
[22:02] spies8jenny: I'd usually play it with a family member and do a 2 on 2 fight.
[22:07] spies8jenny: Yoda and Obi Wan vs. Palpatine and Dooku.
[22:07] spies8lilith:
[22:08] spies8jenny: It does have instructions in the booklet on how to do a 2 on 2.