Chats: Tina or Owen

[Lilith]

spies8tina is available (10:22:25 PM)
spies8lilith (10:22:25 PM): Challenge still going on? XD
spies8tina (10:22:32 PM): Yes.
spies8tina (10:22:36 PM): We are close.
spies8tina is available (1:24:21 AM)
spies8lilith (1:26:01 AM): OMG
spies8tina is available (1:26:01 AM)
spies8tina (1:26:08 AM): hmmm?
spies8lilith (1:26:25 AM): guess what's happening again --_--
spies8tina (1:26:40 AM): locked out of chat?
spies8lilith (1:26:44 AM): yes
spies8lilith (1:26:49 AM): --_--
spies8tina is available (1:26:52 AM)
spies8lilith (1:27:04 AM): It won't help, thanks for trying though.
spies8lilith (1:27:09 AM): I keep inviting myself it doesn't work.
spies8lilith (1:27:14 AM): In the middle of typing stuff too, lol.
spies8lilith (1:27:54 AM): im guessing if i turn my computer off and on maybe that'll work, but im goin to post my convos first so i can reread my stuff if i have to
spies8tina (1:28:11 AM): Hah. Ok.

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spies8owen is available (11:32:10 PM)
spies8lilith (11:32:17 PM): I know I haven't talked to you yet (I'm the replacement btw) but two things you've said now make me like you and lean towards thinking you're a citizen. So we'll have to chat sometime so I can socialize with you more (I'm busy right now trying to talk to people I'm more suspicions of right now to get a read on them though, lol).
spies8owen is available (11:36:49 PM)
spies8owen (11:35:17 PM): Hey Lilith. Sorry about the delay -- getting gangraped.
spies8owen is available (11:36:02 PM)
spies8lilith (11:38:41 PM):
spies8lilith (11:38:43 PM): Sounds fun!
spies8owen (11:39:38 PM): Gangrape is never fun. Not even in text.
spies8owen (11:40:15 PM): Anyway, now that I'm not being raped with text, how's it going?
spies8lilith (11:40:49 PM): Good, talking to people, trying to get a feel of if they are acting sincere or trying to fake their townness, lol.
spies8owen (11:41:10 PM): Anybody can say things to appear town.
spies8lilith (11:41:11 PM): Was feeling a bit overwhelmed with information and confusing at first, but I think I'm getting a little footing on the things going on, lol.
spies8owen (11:41:15 PM): That's what I was trying to say to them.
spies8lilith (11:41:35 PM): My theory is mafia can't 100% put themselves in the shoes of town and say what a REAL town would say.
spies8lilith (11:41:48 PM): Because in the back of their mind they know who mafia are and can't fake the sincere scumhunting that others do.
spies8lilith (11:41:53 PM): Even a good player I don't think can fake that.
spies8owen (11:42:08 PM): Exactly. That's the point I was trying to make about Stephanie.
spies8owen (11:42:32 PM): She believes the things she says, at least in my eyes. If people see it differently, that's their read on it.
spies8lilith (11:42:51 PM): And things you said in the chat were things I don't think a mafia could say (but that's just an initial read, I'd have to chat with you more to get a better read, but right now you're not under suspciions in my eyes, lol). Like, if people think things that I thought, my idea is it'd be easier that it's another townie that thought that vs. a mafia faking playing the game to think what I've been thinking.
spies8owen is available (11:43:11 PM)
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spies8lilith (11:44:42 PM): I will admit to you, that I initially thought a statement Stephanie said was scummy to me, but talking to her now, I am leaning more to unsure, but I don't want to admit that yet incase after further talking I change my mind again, LOL.
spies8owen (11:45:42 PM): lmao, it's crazy, I know. It bugs me that she says crazy things like that, but I think she really believes it. I didn't for a while, but the more I actually stopped jumping on her for her poor thoughts she opened up.
spies8owen is available (11:46:50 PM)
spies8lilith (11:46:55 PM): She didn't say something crazy, just something I thought was mafiaish trying to plant a seed in people's heads.
spies8lilith (11:47:13 PM): But it was completely based off a suscpion I had on someone else, which is why I wanted to talk to her more to get a better feel of her .
spies8owen is available (11:49:16 PM)
spies8owen (11:59:38 PM): Sorry about that. In and out + other convos.
spies8owen (11:59:56 PM): Was the other suspicion anything that could be of note?
spies8owen is available (1:24:21 AM)
spies8lilith (1:35:27 AM): Oh wow, I realized I never responded to you (I'm posting my convos right now, lol).
spies8owen is available (1:35:27 AM)
spies8lilith (1:35:47 AM): It was Zed btw, it was what I said in chat because Jasmine was saying it anyway, lol.
spies8owen (1:36:09 AM): I'm just at fault. I let the convo die too. *pats Sam on the back for his awesome challenge where he teaches us about AIM etiquette*
spies8lilith (1:36:19 AM): lol
spies8lilith (1:36:28 AM): kk i gotta reboot, ill be back on in a bit if yall are still on tonight

[Lilith]

spies8tina is available (3:39:55 PM)
spies8lilith (3:39:55 PM): *cries into your arms*
spies8tina (3:40:10 PM): Did I miss something?
spies8lilith (3:40:25 PM): Dane was just being, insensative.
spies8lilith (3:42:01 PM): He was telling me I was wrong for my method of finding scum, I just think it was kind of rude and immature the way he handled the situation. I was trying to explain just because my method isn't the same as his doesn't mean I am wrong and he makes giant leaps of assumptions about how I play the game and why I am dumb and he makes some remarks and just logs off.
spies8lilith (3:42:35 PM): I don't think it reveals to me anything about his alignment, just upset that he isn't respecting the fact that just because I don't look at the same thigns he does doesn't mean I am dumb.
spies8lilith (3:42:57 PM): And I didn't get to ask him the questions I wanted to, which doesn't help me.
spies8tina (3:42:58 PM): Yeah he is an abriassive ass.
spies8tina (3:43:26 PM): I have not talked with him too much. In part due to not liking him, in part due to him never being on.
spies8tina (3:45:08 PM): So what are your thoughts on Lawrence and Isaac?
spies8tina (3:45:17 PM): I think they are going to be two of the biggest topics today.
spies8lilith (3:49:52 PM): I haven't even spoken to either of them, LOL.
spies8lilith (3:50:08 PM): Although something about what Lawrence said did catch my attention when yall posted it in chat.
spies8lilith (3:50:24 PM): brbr family stuff
spies8tina (3:51:23 PM): It is hard for me right now. I do not think that both of them are spies due to something that will surface tonight, but I do think that there is a spy in that pair.
spies8lilith (3:53:57 PM): I got to go now, I will be on later tonight.
spies8tina (3:54:02 PM): Ok.
spies8lilith (3:54:15 PM): Thanks for letting me vent about Dane, lol. It was just something that upset me.
spies8tina (3:54:24 PM): No one likes him.
spies8lilith (3:54:57 PM): But I'll be on later. Bye .
spies8tina is available (7:52:32 PM)
spies8lilith (7:58:44 PM): I was gettin wary of you for a bit for kinda indirectly not wanting to vote for Zed. However, at this point I am more confident Zed is actually not a spy... Although to be honest, I do feel it is hard to read you.
spies8tina is available (11:17:15 PM)
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spies8lilith (11:18:56 PM): Ok
spies8lilith (11:19:03 PM): So I told Zed this and I'm going to tell you.
spies8lilith (11:19:08 PM): And you don't have to respond at all.
spies8tina (11:19:12 PM): Ok.
spies8lilith (11:20:03 PM): I had an epiphanyish like thing. I had this vibe that you and Zed trusted eachother. And I had a sudden idea that Zed is the Dr. and saved you. Just an idea. And if that vibe is right, other vibes I have are: Dane is innocent, Kiara and Jasmine need cop investigated, because they are hard to read in my opinion.
spies8tina is available (11:22:00 PM)
spies8lilith (11:24:07 PM): But anyways... what are your thoughts right now? lol
spies8tina (11:24:22 PM): I am wondering if my suspicion on Law is misplaced mainly.
spies8lilith (11:24:36 PM): I think it may be.
spies8lilith (11:24:42 PM): Like I said, his reaction seems townish to me.
spies8lilith (11:24:46 PM): BUT
spies8lilith (11:24:48 PM): I want to talk to him
spies8lilith (11:24:49 PM): in person
spies8lilith (11:24:52 PM): to figure him out
spies8tina is available (1:46:28 AM)
spies8tina (11:25:02 PM): Reaction there is one of Isaac and Themba.
spies8lilith (11:25:08 PM): ?
spies8tina (11:25:22 PM): If I am not voting Lawrence I am voting either Isaac or Themba.
spies8lilith (11:26:16 PM): Those are two people I haven't gotten any good read on. I've been trying to talk to them. I think my empathy detector has gone off today .
spies8lilith (11:27:09 PM): For the record, right now I'm pretty sure it isn't Dane or Zed. You and Steph are close behind. I like the way Broderick thinks, because he keeps thinking same ideas as me. Kiara and Jasmine I am uncertain of and wish I had a cop investigation, lol. The others I haven't gotten a good enough read on either way.
spies8lilith (11:27:31 PM): And the way both you and Zed were dead silent after I presented my theory, makes me think I am correct.
spies8lilith (11:36:38 PM): I think I am going to be quiet and see how people react to Lawrence's post. I think the scum may attempt to continue to attack him.
spies8lilith (11:36:54 PM): This is the time when scum make points like "He only has a fwe hours a day yet posts all this."
spies8lilith (11:37:02 PM): That's what I'll be looking for.
spies8tina is available (11:52:01 PM)
spies8lilith (12:11:24 AM): What are your thoughts now?
spies8tina (12:11:52 AM): I want to vote Isaac but it is only on gut.
spies8tina (12:12:27 AM): I really wish I could figure out the why behind it.
spies8lilith (12:14:21 AM): Something about him feeling bad if Sam got on Lawrence made me think that comment was odd.
spies8lilith (12:14:24 AM): I don't know.
spies8lilith (12:14:36 AM): I need to do a lot of things but I want to figure things out, lol.
spies8tina (12:14:51 AM): There is a mediocre chance that I vote whoever the dems nominate.
spies8lilith (12:15:05 AM): Are the dems voting together?
spies8tina (12:15:18 AM): They vote and we vote. Then we vote for one of the two.
spies8lilith (12:15:25 AM): Ooo, ooo
spies8lilith (12:15:29 AM): I thought you meant ex-dems, my bad.
spies8lilith (12:15:42 AM): I think I'd vote their vote if Jenny was the one up for death.
spies8tina (12:15:51 AM): I just am unsure of myself enough to trust some of them.
spies8lilith (12:20:48 AM): Can I do something really naughty?
spies8tina (12:20:58 AM): Depends on what it is.
spies8lilith (12:21:10 AM): Tell Kiara that people are voting her because I want to see how she reacts... LOL.
spies8lilith (12:21:39 AM): Although I feel at this point that my brain is too tired to think anymore and i should just go to sleep.
spies8lilith (12:21:45 AM): But I don't know yet what to think.
spies8lilith (12:21:46 AM): Argghhhh
spies8tina (12:21:50 AM): I am not sure how much that would accomplish since the natural reaction would be "why and who" for most anyone.
spies8tina (12:22:12 AM): I am lost too, do not worry. My list actually has Dems as the top two spots.
spies8lilith (12:22:25 AM): Jenny one of them? XD
spies8tina (12:22:30 AM): Yes.
spies8lilith (12:22:33 AM): She's the person I'm most confident about
spies8lilith (12:22:34 AM):
spies8lilith (12:22:52 AM): Everyone else is a giant blur to me (LOL).
spies8lilith (12:23:10 AM): Am I allowed to post in the rep thread with the intentions that the dems read it? ... LOL
spies8tina (12:23:18 AM): I do not think so.
spies8lilith (12:23:23 AM): I didn't think so either.
spies8tina is idle (1:09:41 AM)
spies8lilith (1:47:21 AM): Very interesting
spies8lilith (1:48:10 AM): I think my chat problems all occured around the same time. I remember it was 1:something last night. I just came back on and see that it disconnected me from the chat sometime after 1:20
spies8tina (1:49:07 AM): That is odd.
spies8lilith (1:49:36 AM): indeed
spies8lilith (1:49:42 AM): im off to bed anyways, so oh well
spies8lilith (1:49:44 AM): good night ^_^
spies8tina (1:49:49 AM): Night.

[Lilith]

spies8tina is available (3:13:59 PM)
spies8lilith (3:13:59 PM): ello !
spies8tina (3:14:19 PM): Hello. I still am stuck on who I should vote.
spies8tina (3:14:31 PM): Losing Gabe and Nita in 24 hours really hurt for me.
spies8lilith (3:14:41 PM):
spies8tina (3:14:47 PM): Both of them were two that helped me with figuring myself out.
spies8lilith (3:15:04 PM): Oooo, that's good , well, it's bad they're gone though, lol.
spies8lilith (3:16:24 PM): Isaac thinks it's you?!
spies8tina (3:16:51 PM): Dunno. I think he is more interested in trying to figure out why I am voting him.
spies8tina (3:17:59 PM): There is a good chance I go with the Dems nomination.
spies8tina (3:19:04 PM): In fact I am almost positive I will.
spies8lilith (3:19:22 PM): Ahhhh
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spies8lilith (3:19:39 PM): I keep going back and forth between Jasmine and Themba and Isaac >_<
spies8tina is available (3:32:51 PM)
spies8lilith (3:33:00 PM): wooo, welcome back
spies8tina (3:33:02 PM): Got disconnected.
spies8lilith (3:39:07 PM): Rodnak is a spy btw XD ... it came to me a in a draem ... lol
spies8tina (3:39:26 PM): Heh. Well he was an outside suspect of most people.
spies8lilith (3:39:37 PM): what's that mean?
spies8lilith (3:40:00 PM): I actually haven't read many things of Rodnak's chats, but in my dream a Ronnie was a spy... rofl
spies8lilith (3:40:08 PM): except we were all in a room jottin stuff down on paper
spies8tina (3:40:12 PM): Most people did think there was on OK chance of him being a spy, just not enough to vote or make a case.
spies8lilith (3:40:12 PM): and showing it to eachother
spies8lilith (3:40:17 PM): and my brother and sister were playing
spies8lilith (3:40:18 PM): lol
spies8tina (3:40:56 PM): Heh.
spies8lilith (3:44:44 PM): Isaac has played before and is pretending not to have
spies8tina (3:44:51 PM): Oh?
spies8tina (3:45:28 PM): Well, I can see someone doing that to make people underestimate them. If he is using it as a defense though then we have a different situation on our hand.
spies8lilith (3:45:49 PM): Just the way he asked a question, it's the feeling I get.
spies8tina (3:46:51 PM): I have this very bad feeling I am getting played or just missing something obvious right now.
spies8lilith (3:47:02 PM): Owen is mafia
spies8lilith (3:47:06 PM): that's why u feel you're getting played
spies8lilith (3:47:07 PM): lol
spies8tina (3:47:12 PM): Zek and Steph, those two are just causing me such a massive headache.
spies8tina (3:47:37 PM): I think they are citizens, but there is just so much other stuff that will from time to time draw me back on it.
spies8lilith (3:48:16 PM): Steff ACTS like a citizen to me, but all her suspicions and ideas are contrary to me and it's almost as if she is defending the people I suspect as spies, LOL.
spies8lilith (3:48:26 PM): But the way she acts make me feel like she's still a citizen.
spies8tina (3:48:41 PM): Talking with her I get that feeling, reading her I feel spy more.
spies8lilith (3:49:34 PM): What do you mean by reading her?
spies8lilith (3:49:47 PM): When I say reading her, I mean the same thing as talking to someone .
spies8tina (3:49:51 PM): Reading logs and suspicions.
spies8lilith (3:49:56 PM): O, kk
spies8tina (3:49:57 PM): Those make me think spy.
spies8tina (3:50:09 PM): When I talk to her she just sounds so amazingly genuine.
spies8lilith (3:50:16 PM): I agree.
spies8lilith (3:50:54 PM): Right now, I should be doing other stuff, but I don't feel confident yet in a vote for anyone, lol. So I'm reading stuff.
spies8lilith (3:51:13 PM): I *think* I might vote Isaac and if I have time, get on later tonight and see what's up.
spies8lilith (3:51:41 PM): I would feel better voting for Themba, but nobody else is going to vote her it looks like, and I want my vote to count so someone else doesn't go home that I am more confident isn't a spy (like Jasmine or Steph)
spies8lilith (3:52:18 PM): And the way Isaac and Themba made a point sayign nice to meet you like they were talking for the first time seemed odd like MAYBE there is a chance they were together.
spies8tina (3:52:18 PM): I would actually not be against a Themba vote here.
spies8lilith (3:53:03 PM): One thing about Themba, in her reasoning to vote Jasmine. It didn't seem sincere to me. Reading Jasmine's chats, I wouldv'e pointed to other things that might make her a spy.
spies8lilith (3:53:24 PM): The way Themba accused Jasmine it seems to me like a spy accusing another spy, just how I felt, although I don't think Jasmine is a spy, lol.
spies8lilith (3:54:22 PM): The fact that lawrence thinks things similar to me, makes me think he is a citizen .
spies8lilith (3:54:28 PM): Although I still want him to get online and talk, lol.
spies8tina (3:54:45 PM): Right. He needs to be more of a presence on AIM.
spies8tina (3:55:03 PM): At the same time though I am far less sure of him then I 36 hours ago.
spies8tina (3:55:17 PM): So I am not voting him today.
spies8lilith (3:56:06 PM): And to me, the people agreeing with me that it wasn't Lawrence were all people I don't think are spies. So I feel like the people who were going after him were spies hoping for an easy lynch, rather than a spy waas about to get lynched and the mafia tryed to insert doubt.
spies8tina (3:56:35 PM): The lack of resistnace to that wagon was concerning.
spies8lilith (3:57:24 PM): Isaac's argument against you seem questionable to me.
spies8tina (3:57:37 PM): I think he is just trying to figure out why I suspect him really.
spies8lilith (3:59:16 PM): Who was the one that thought Alexei was an obvious spy giving up?
spies8lilith (3:59:17 PM): Themba?
spies8tina (3:59:27 PM): Correct.
spies8lilith (3:59:27 PM): Im reading a chat and I can't dechiper who is bein talked about
spies8lilith (3:59:29 PM): kk
spies8tina (3:59:37 PM): I think Hambone had the same thoughts though.
spies8lilith (3:59:48 PM): Btw my read on Hambone is def. citizen
spies8lilith (3:59:54 PM): XD
spies8tina (4:00:14 PM): I had him as a stronger read. Not the strongest but up there.
spies8lilith (4:00:16 PM): It's easier to be more confident though about people i can't talk to, LOL
spies8lilith (4:00:35 PM): Cuz then when I talk to people I get doubts
spies8lilith (4:01:12 PM): Isaac gives weird suggestions
spies8lilith (4:01:33 PM): O wait, repeating it myself I understand what he is saying
spies8lilith (4:01:33 PM): lol
spies8lilith (4:04:40 PM): I don't like how a lot of people I don't trust/unsure of are voting Owen
spies8tina (4:06:05 PM): I think most people think he is fairly citizen.
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spies8lilith (4:11:33 PM): For me, I feel like she's just asking questions. Her first one is a pointless question and her second one just tells me she didn't listen to me when I told her what I was looking for.
spies8lilith (4:12:00 PM): I am expecting towards someone big her questions towards you will make sense, but I feel like her questions are just questions towards me, like, not having a point.
spies8tina (4:12:35 PM): The problem with her post is that it is devoid of opinions.
spies8lilith (4:12:37 PM): Like she isn't actually INTERESTED in finding out if I am a spy or citizen, just wanting to ask me questions to me, and everyone, to see if someone makes a mistake that she can attack and accuse of being a spy.
spies8tina (4:13:06 PM): She asks a few ok questions, but most look like filler.
spies8tina (4:13:28 PM): There are also a few ugly ones.
spies8tina (4:14:00 PM): Did you express any suspicion of her before she posted that?
spies8lilith (4:14:13 PM): I expressed that she was one I was uncertain of.
spies8tina (4:14:20 PM): - You seem fascinated with the previous episodes' votes from the Republicans, moreso than the voting from the Democrats. Whilst we are a fascinating lot, the Democrats did actually exile 2 citizens...
spies8lilith (4:14:27 PM): My list was like, Zed and Dane at the top as citizens. You and Steph afterwards. Brod too.
spies8tina (4:14:29 PM): That question of hers to you I do not like at all.
spies8lilith (4:14:39 PM): Kiara and Themba and Isaac were people I hadn't talked to that much.
spies8lilith (4:14:46 PM): I am reading my chat with Themba.
spies8tina (4:14:50 PM): Seems to just be a "Look at them" thing moreso.
spies8lilith (4:14:55 PM): 1st) I already told her I no longer suspect Zed
spies8lilith (4:15:59 PM): And I told her, but not as elaborately as I told everyone else, what I was looking for.
spies8lilith (4:16:06 PM): Am I allowed to copy and paste five lines from a chat with her? lol
spies8tina (4:16:19 PM): That is ok I think.
spies8tina (4:16:29 PM): I probably copy more than I should.
spies8lilith (4:16:31 PM): spies8lilith (10:26:01 PM): So why did you vote the ways you voted in the first 2 exiles?
spies8isaac (10:28:38 PM): You mean claude, right? lol
spies8lilith (10:30:05 PM): Whoever you voted, yes.
spies8lilith (10:30:14 PM): I'm just trying to read you by how you explain your suspcions .
spies8lilith (10:30:25 PM): Mafia can't fake the same sincerity that town can.
spies8lilith (4:17:01 PM): Whoever you voted for yes, would imply I do not care about who people voted for.
spies8lilith (4:17:16 PM): Her questions make me feel like she didn't even remember what we had talked about =/.
spies8lilith (4:17:33 PM): Like she just looked things up in chats and picked out random pieces to ask questions about, not reading the entire context.
spies8tina (4:19:08 PM): I almost hope Law gets picked from this side to make my life easier.
spies8tina (4:19:25 PM): If it turns into Isaac-Magalie I am going to have a hard time choosing.
spies8lilith (4:21:04 PM): From what I read, it looks like it's a lot of support for Mag, which almost gives me the "everyone is agreeing so it must be wrong" vibe, but I'd have to reread it
spies8lilith (4:21:15 PM): I didn't go into details, just seemed like a lot of people were like "Ok, let's get her"
spies8tina (4:24:10 PM): This voting for the power is really bugging me.
spies8tina (4:24:29 PM): I feel that just about everyone who voted me is somewhat suspicious.
spies8lilith (4:24:37 PM): You do?
spies8tina (4:24:45 PM): I have more doubts about them.
spies8lilith (4:24:59 PM): I feel like the people that voted you are the people I am leaning towards as being cits, LOL.
spies8tina (4:25:14 PM): Even Themba?
spies8lilith (4:25:22 PM): O, i didn't see Themba's vote
spies8lilith (4:25:40 PM): brb
spies8tina (4:26:18 PM): If Jenny is a spy I think that moves Steph to town, if that doesn't happen I will be torn there for a long time. Zek I continue to have doubts on. Themba I have my prelim vote on.
spies8tina (4:26:45 PM): You and Owen are my only stronger cit reads that are voting me.
spies8tina (4:27:02 PM): All my medium-strong reads are voting Owen.
spies8tina (4:27:27 PM): If I win this power I hope it allows me to swap two members sides.
spies8tina (4:27:33 PM): Or is a cop power.
spies8lilith (4:36:10 PM): I want it to be a cop power where u can instant kill if u r correct
spies8lilith (4:36:12 PM): back btw
spies8lilith (4:36:28 PM): I haven't talked to Owen enough yet to get a good read
spies8tina (4:36:46 PM): I think he is probably a citizen at this point.
spies8lilith (4:37:02 PM): The way that Alexei spoke to Zed at some points
spies8lilith (4:37:13 PM): gave me the feeling of scum trying to attack a weak town
spies8lilith (4:37:17 PM): not scum attacking scum
spies8lilith (4:38:27 PM): I do have to go soon though, I have a list of things to do, haha.
spies8tina (4:38:33 PM): I have Zek as citizen, but it would be nice to be completely sure.
spies8tina (4:38:45 PM): If he is a spy a LOT changes.
spies8lilith (4:38:51 PM): I feel confident in my vote for now. Themba's reaction would probably help me feel either complete confidence or rethink things, I'm hoping I can get on later tonight.
spies8tina (4:39:24 PM): I know the feeling. I have to leave in about two hours and will be gone for a few more. I should make it to exile but would rather be here the full time leading up to it.
spies8lilith (4:39:46 PM): Do I state a reason in my vote?
spies8tina (4:39:54 PM): In confessional?
spies8lilith (4:39:57 PM): Yea
spies8tina (4:40:01 PM): I just put a few lines.
spies8tina (4:40:16 PM): My confessional and posting in burg lay out my reasons.
spies8tina (4:40:30 PM): So I do not want to write another essay.
spies8lilith (4:42:21 PM): I'm off to slave away at my list, ttyl XD!
spies8tina (4:42:30 PM): See you later then.
spies8tina is available (7:10:46 PM)
spies8lilith (7:38:34 PM): The WAY Isaac is talking to me about Themba is making me second-guess myself... lol. Just how Isaac is talking I think he is just encouraging me in a mafiaish way.
spies8lilith (7:40:10 PM): Just his basic overall "I'm thinking between this person and this person" doesn't seem real to me.
spies8lilith (7:40:26 PM): At this time I almost feel like Thema, Isaac and Jasmine are all together and trying to bus someone so the others look innocent, lol.
spies8tina is available (11:45:35 PM)
spies8lilith (11:46:06 PM): YOU ARE IMMUNE
spies8lilith (11:46:09 PM): AND I AM TOO!?!?!
spies8lilith (11:46:11 PM):
spies8lilith (11:46:18 PM): Themba vs. Mag... Themba is going
spies8tina is available (11:46:43 PM)
spies8lilith (11:54:22 PM): I don't know what to think now, and this merge will just bring more chaos.
spies8lilith (12:52:33 AM): What are your thoughts now? =/
spies8tina (12:53:00 AM): I wish I had been around before exile is a bigger one.
spies8tina (12:53:31 AM): Not sure on suspicions as much right now.
spies8tina (12:53:51 AM): Just wish I had at least been around to hear a debate on Magalie over Themba though.
spies8lilith (12:54:02 AM): I'm not sure whether I should scrap all of my previous thoughts or keep going with what I thought. I feel stupid and not I know my readings aren't the best =/.
spies8lilith (12:54:09 AM): Neither Mag nor Themba talked.
spies8lilith (12:54:15 AM): =/
spies8lilith (12:54:47 AM): The fact that Steph was against the idea makes me more comfortable with her
spies8lilith (12:55:01 AM): I think maybe her ideas ARE better than mine because they were always opposite.
spies8tina (12:55:18 AM): Somewhat yes. She is still far down on the "who I would vote" list, but I just cannot put her to citizen.
spies8lilith (12:55:59 AM): I also feel overwhelmed having doubled in size. I am too tired right now to even beging socializing and analyzing all these new people.
spies8lilith (12:56:39 AM): I feel like it's too much. Like I want to focus on what went wrong over here. But so many new people just inputs a large amount of stress.
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spies8owen is available (10:30:10 PM)
spies8owen (10:30:10 PM): Dearest Lilith
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spies8lilith (10:30:15 PM): Hello sir!
spies8owen (10:30:22 PM): Did original Lilith post any conversations from round 1?
spies8lilith (10:30:30 PM): Not any conversations, no.
spies8owen (10:30:33 PM): Ahh, damn.
spies8owen (10:30:40 PM): Isaac is saying that when he made the possible Themba slip
spies8owen (10:30:46 PM): that it was actually Lilith he meant.
spies8lilith (10:31:05 PM): Where is this conversation at?
spies8lilith (10:31:14 PM): Of the slip I mean.
spies8owen (10:31:35 PM): spies8isaac (11:46:35 PM): Haven't talked to Themba much at all either. Always coming or going when I log in and then there is the one who's gone till Saturday, so ya definitly need to hit chat up when a few others are here. Have no reading on them yet what so ever

spies8lilith (10:31:43 PM): I don't remember how long you've been in the chat, but I am fairly certain both Isaac and Themba are spies.
spies8owen (10:31:44 PM): It's in Lawerence's investigation thread.
spies8owen (10:31:51 PM): I feel the connection, too.
spies8owen (10:32:10 PM): Then yesterday, around the time the possible slip was brought to light...
spies8owen (10:32:27 PM): (10:24:16 PM) spies8themba: it's all there in the thread he made. can't remember the name. and i am still suspicious of him. especially after i addressed his concerns and his responses to those. but i am just watching him at the moment.
(10:24:41 PM) spies8themba: oops. that was for isaac.
spies8lilith (10:32:36 PM): I suspect them both moreso for their suspcions not being sincere. And the way Isaac is telling me he suspect Themba, but not really meaning it or voting her.
spies8owen (10:32:39 PM): That feels like SUCH a fake cit convo to me
spies8owen (10:32:47 PM): I've been fed them before, I know what they're like.
spies8owen (10:34:07 PM): I also don't feel like Isaac is very genuine.
spies8lilith (10:34:20 PM): Exactly
spies8lilith (10:34:27 PM): Were you reading what I've said already or no? lol
spies8owen (10:34:39 PM): Even his "wow's" when things aren't surprising.
spies8owen (10:35:01 PM): I saw you say it earlier, but was still doing some reading. It's something I've thought too though.
spies8lilith (10:35:04 PM): Isaac tells me his reasons for suspecting Themba and Jasmine, but votes Jasmine. BUT in his reasons, he describes themba as not being a citizen, while he only says Jasmine is being a hypocrit. Didn't make any sense to me.
spies8lilith (10:35:47 PM): I need to read this Themba/Isaac chat thing
spies8lilith (10:38:03 PM): I'll be honest, I was hesitatnt about you getting the power because I hadn't talked to you much, and people I was semi-wary of were voting you to win it. But now I am more confident if you do get it, lol.
spies8owen (10:38:23 PM): I might be really fucking indecisive at the moment, but I'd use it wisely.
spies8owen (10:38:32 PM): And if it's something I can get opinions on, I'll obviously do that.
spies8lilith (10:38:32 PM): my inital read on you was leaning towards citizen, and I wanted to get an initial read on everyone so I knew were to poke, so i put you to the side for this round and wanted to get to see other people
spies8owen (10:39:34 PM): My initial read of you is town because of the points you bring up, they're usually different and unique.
spies8owen (10:39:37 PM): And not stolen from anyone else.
spies8owen (10:40:11 PM): But we haven't talked much, so yeah, we need to do more of that.
spies8lilith (10:40:15 PM): XD
spies8owen (10:40:32 PM): AND FML 19 MINUTES I JUST NOTICED.
spies8owen (10:40:34 PM): GRR.
spies8lilith (10:40:45 PM): I am *slightly* worried that people keep telling me I am coming off as townish. I kinda WANT a person or two to say they are suspcious of me so that I don't become a mafia target.
spies8lilith (10:41:01 PM): I'm not too worried about it yet though, I think me being new will let the mafia look over me as a target.
spies8owen is available (10:55:03 PM)
spies8owen (10:56:42 PM): Last night:
spies8owen (10:56:43 PM): (11:06:07 PM) spies8isaac: But was informed by others it was for no reason which is why they suspected her. When I asked Themba though, she had several reasons and all of them understandable
spies8owen is away (1:23:53 AM)
spies8owen (10:57:21 PM): Not there, in his post.
spies8lilith (10:58:07 PM): Isaac seems sad that i think they are partners (he is private messaging me). I think he knows she will turn up Spy.
spies8owen is available (11:06:39 PM)
spies8lilith (11:07:37 PM): I was actually, secretly, hoping I'd get it. I knew Tina told me I gave off very town vibes, and Jasmine thinks so too. XD
spies8owen (11:08:02 PM): I know Steph was considering voting you, too. As was I.
spies8owen (11:08:22 PM): 'grats
spies8owen (11:08:31 PM): Now, I want to find out what the real superness of this power is. NOW
spies8lilith (11:08:43 PM): Please be some sort of cop power
spies8owen (11:11:13 PM): I've been thinking maybe it's a power to bring back a dead player. That would be pretty big.
spies8lilith (11:11:19 PM):
spies8owen (11:11:25 PM): And happened in another season.
spies8lilith (11:11:28 PM): It did?
spies8owen (11:11:28 PM): But only for one round.
spies8lilith (11:11:32 PM): Were they the same alignment?
spies8lilith (11:11:32 PM): O
spies8lilith (11:11:34 PM): one round
spies8owen (11:11:42 PM): I'd bring back Gabe, without question.
spies8owen (11:12:08 PM): But an investigation would be lovely.
spies8owen is available (11:12:30 PM)
spies8lilith (11:18:13 PM): Brod thinks I am suspscious for being voted immune --_--
spies8owen (11:20:55 PM): As I said, I knew of a few people that were considering putting you.
spies8lilith (11:20:56 PM): You voted isaac!? :-o
spies8owen (11:21:00 PM): Yep.
spies8lilith (11:21:03 PM): What if Jasmine gets more voted than Themba?!
spies8owen (11:21:35 PM): Last second call, I'm a wreck, lmao.
spies8owen (11:21:53 PM): I ensure you my power decision won't go like this.
spies8lilith (11:22:01 PM): Lol, ok.
spies8lilith (11:22:09 PM): Now I am worried Jasmine will get more votes .
spies8owen (11:22:13 PM): I don't think she will.
spies8lilith (11:22:14 PM): I did get Jasmine to switch to Themba though.
spies8owen (11:22:21 PM): I think Thembs will get the most.
spies8owen (11:23:07 PM): And in that case, I'm still unsure of what I'd do.
spies8owen (11:23:45 PM): The Isaac/Themba connection is so apparent to me, but Themba is the one I feel could be valuable to us if she's town.
spies8owen (11:23:50 PM): Isaac is just full of air.
spies8lilith (11:24:11 PM): How would she be valuable?
spies8owen (11:24:27 PM): Themba actually has solid thoughts when we talk.
spies8owen (11:25:00 PM): She's kinda OMGUS, but with me, she's said some pretty good things. She also passed Nita's grilling test.
spies8owen (11:25:13 PM): She was quick and sharp with her answers. It looked good for her.
spies8lilith (11:25:14 PM): Didn't Nita vote her?
spies8owen (11:25:37 PM): Yep. I thought she was gonna vote Steph, ended up voting Themba.
spies8owen is available (11:37:46 PM)
spies8lilith (11:38:58 PM): I am unsure, is that bad? LOL
spies8owen (11:39:03 PM): I voted Themba.
spies8lilith (11:39:11 PM): Themba's "when I flip" statements make me feel like I'm wrong.
spies8owen (11:39:20 PM): Spies have said stuff like that too. :/
spies8lilith (11:39:28 PM): Ugh
spies8lilith (11:39:37 PM): I voted her. I just want to see if I'm right or wrong, lol
spies8owen (11:39:45 PM): I need to get to the bottom of her/Isaac
spies8owen (11:39:59 PM): And as much as I didn't want to vote her, it needs to be done.
spies8lilith (11:40:30 PM): I don't think I'm going to be confident on anything. I was about to say I'd be more confident if Isaac was up, but I don't think I would, LOL.
spies8lilith (11:40:35 PM): I doubt myself too much .
spies8owen is available (11:47:07 PM)
spies8owen (11:50:52 PM): Yeah, now I feel like shit.
spies8lilith (11:51:42 PM): I feel like I have to start all over now and rethink everyone
spies8owen (11:51:49 PM): Same.
spies8lilith (11:52:02 PM): Some things jasmine says
spies8lilith (11:52:05 PM): make me think it is her
spies8lilith (11:52:22 PM): and i just saved her (not me specifically, but i had a big part)
spies8owen (11:53:05 PM): I feel shitty about the mislynch, and because she's the person I enjoyed talking to the most. Blah.
spies8owen (11:53:13 PM): And Jas. still needs to be looked at.
spies8owen (11:53:16 PM): She can't get by on OMGUS.
spies8lilith (11:53:38 PM): This merge is not going to help me organize any ideas
spies8owen is available (11:57:37 PM)
spies8lilith (12:03:32 AM): I feel like you have a lot of pressure on you now, LOL
spies8owen (12:03:59 AM): JUST A BIT.
spies8owen (12:04:08 AM): I'm still mourning mislynching my friend.
spies8owen (12:04:15 AM): And now I'm being flooded with messages.
spies8lilith (12:04:57 AM): Ooo, good luck. XD I'll leave you alone. I don't really have any confidents ideas right now because I don't know what to think anymore to be honest, LOL.
spies8owen is available (12:11:16 AM)

[Lilith]

spies8owen is available (1:15:55 AM)
spies8lilith (1:15:55 AM): Do you have time to have a quick word with me? XD
spies8owen (1:16:47 AM): Yes ma'am.
spies8owen (1:16:52 AM): How are you?
spies8lilith (1:16:58 AM): Good, on vacation .
spies8owen (1:17:03 AM): (God, I really need to stop being the nicest dictator ever)
spies8owen (1:17:32 AM): Asking people how they are and such.
spies8owen (1:17:37 AM): You guys should be asking ME that.
spies8owen (1:17:58 AM): Feed me a grape.
spies8owen (1:18:03 AM): Anyway, what did you want to discuss?
spies8lilith (1:18:19 AM): I had an idea to catch spies, and there wasn't really a way for me to implement it earlier, as it requires everyone to send me information, which people would not want to do, but being in a position of power, you have the opportunity to set it in motion.
spies8lilith (1:18:36 AM): Sorry, I'm trying to rush, I need to get off of here very soon, I apologize .
spies8owen (1:19:31 AM): What was the idea?
spies8lilith (1:19:37 AM): Ok.
spies8lilith (1:20:05 AM): First off, if either I or you are a spy, either of us could tell the spies how to tamper with the results. Just a forewarning, but here it is.
spies8lilith (1:21:20 AM): The idea would be for ywou to ask EVERYONE to send you a list that includes every single player and to do two things. To tell that you want them to access whether you think each person is a town or spy. And also to access on a scale of 0 to 10 how confident they are. 0 being very unsure and 10 being very confident.
spies8lilith (1:21:49 AM): And also tell them to ONLY do those two things, not to include explations, not to say you think someone is a third party, just that you want those two things in their raw data.
spies8lilith (1:21:56 AM): That is the first part, that is revealed to everyone else.
spies8lilith (1:21:59 AM): BEHIND THE SCENES
spies8lilith (1:22:08 AM): However, we (or everyone) looks at the data.
spies8lilith (1:22:27 AM): People are going to assume we are looking for who most people think of is a spy and who has the highest confidence, right?
spies8lilith (1:22:28 AM): Wrong.
spies8lilith (1:22:52 AM): There was a psychology study, they found that how UNCONFIDENT someone is correlates with people that are more likely to be liars.
spies8lilith (1:22:57 AM): I can find the study in just a second.
spies8lilith (1:23:19 AM): Basically, they had people tells stories,true or false, they asked what they thought they were telling, a true or false story, and asked to rate their confidence levels.
spies8lilith (1:24:00 AM): If they rated very confident, whether they said it was a true story or a false story, in all reality it was moire likely to be a true story, whereas when people were unconfident, regardless of what they thought the person was telling, it was more likely a lie.
spies8lilith (1:24:17 AM): In this scenraio, with the information, we don't look at who thinks who is a spy, we only look at their confidence level.
spies8lilith (1:24:46 AM): Overall, as a society, the person(s) with the least confidence numbers are most likely are spies, but we don't reveal this information until evreyone has given you their numbers.
spies8lilith (1:25:10 AM): Activeness and who has talked to who, may be a factor may want to consider on the side, but yeah.
spies8lilith (1:25:14 AM): What do you think of my idea?
spies8lilith (1:25:33 AM): This is probably the only time I'd be able to implement it, being that you are currently the sole position in power.
spies8owen (1:25:36 AM): Sorry, I was being grilled by Cory.
spies8owen (1:25:44 AM): Reading.
spies8lilith (1:25:58 AM): While you're doing that, I'll find the story.
spies8lilith (1:26:57 AM): *study, not story
spies8owen (1:27:13 AM): VERY interesting.
spies8owen (1:27:26 AM): I'm not sure if that applies to Spies though, because there's always going to be uncertainty there.
spies8owen (1:27:37 AM): Unless you've got tunnel-vision.
spies8lilith (1:29:51 AM): I don't know, I feel like it could apply. Because unconsciously we're unsure of the people who are indeed mafia. I don't know, I remember being fairly confident before the votes were due that Themba was mafia and she turned out town (but I feel like because I know this confidence thing, I can't really use it myself, because then I might make adjustments to my confidence to trick myself-like i might tell myself I'm so uncertain of a certain person to make me think they are mafia)
spies8lilith (1:34:19 AM): Ok, it is kind of hard to find the citation, but I was about to find it. Here is the source:
spies8lilith (1:34:19 AM): DePaulo, B. M., & Morris, W. L. (2005). Discerning lies from truths: Behavioral cues to deception and the indirect pathway of intuition. In P. A. Granhag & L. A. Stromwall (Eds.), Deception detection in forensic contexts (pp. 15-40). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
spies8lilith (1:34:39 AM): books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=SF7zaHHkePUC&oi=fnd&pg=PA15&dq=behavioral+cues+to+deception+and+the+indirect+pathway+of+intuition&ots=dNObqTU37y&sig=JoR7tv4g9mL3CU-Kbl71hJl7RtY#v=onepage&q&f=false ... this only lets you view certain amount of pages, but if u go to page 35, it's around there
spies8lilith (1:35:24 AM): it's only 63% accurate, i remembered it in my head at the 70% accurate one (I know that doesn't seem like a lot, but in lie detection, average human lie detection is like 54%, so 60's and 70's is very high)
spies8lilith (1:41:50 AM): I need to head out in the next couple of minutes, but that was my idea. If you like it, you can run with it, if not, that's fine. I realize realistically collecting all that data takes a lot of work and if it will be useful and work like I think it might, we don't know (plus, considering the number of people that are just meetin for the first time, a lot of people will get 0's just for not talking to them yet, which is not what we want exactly).

[Lilith]

spies8tina: Hey, I am talking with Owen right now. Also Hambone is freaking out about what you posted in the voting thread makes you the obvious doctor to me for some reason and wants you to change it. If he sees this there is a small chance that someone else might think the same thing and screw with a plan.
spies8tina: I do not see it at all, but apparently he does even after explaining.
spies8lilith: I am actually kinda fine with people thinking I am the doctor and imprisoning me for it. It saves the real doctor, and you, and other potential power roles from being imprisoned, doesn't it?
spies8tina: Well, if we make it so only one person thinks that, your imprisonment would be more of a tell.
spies8lilith: This is true.
spies8tina: I was talking with Owen earlier about someone intentionally "slipping" that someone who had no chance of being imprisoned was the doctor.
spies8tina: He just sees that as you claiming doctor and is going on and on about it to me right now.
spies8tina: For some reason he is afraid to talk with you.
spies8lilith: Should I message him?
spies8lilith: I actually am not going to say I am not the doctor to him if I do though, which might worry him more.
spies8lilith: I want there to be a mystery about whether I am a doctor . I don't want to narrow down the doctor options.
spies8tina: You can say that, but it will scare him more. I think the only way to stop this is editing it a bit.
spies8lilith: I'm going to copy and paste what I just said to Owen, just explaining why I am half-fine with being imprisoned if I do get imprisoned/why I keep going back in forth in my head about sacrificing myself... lol.
spies8tina: I think changing "I know" to "im pretty sure" will do it for him.
spies8lilith: Unless he already told you?
spies8tina: He told me.
spies8tina: I came up with a similar idea four hours ago or so.
spies8lilith: It was like 3 paragraphs, a summary might miscontry it. I want to play the game, it's lots of fun. It boils down to I am afraid that the time commitment involved with analyzing everyone how I'd want to would interfere with my schedule and cause potential problems in real life.
spies8lilith: OOoo, you're talking about thte doctor idea. I was referring to why I wanted to be the sacrifice, LOL.
spies8tina: He still is saying you should change "I know" to "I think".
spies8lilith: I think changing it will make me look even more like the doctor... LOL.
spies8lilith: Just saying...
spies8lilith: What do you think?
spies8lilith: Can I tell Hambone you told me this? Or just change it?
spies8tina: You can talk to him.
spies8tina: He wants to talk with you but is afraid it seems.
spies8lilith: He is talking, just not abotu that yet, lol.
spies8tina: Alright.
spies8tina: I do not like being in the middle.
spies8lilith: O
spies8lilith: Hambone thinks i am the doctor.
spies8tina: Yep.
spies8tina: I spent the last 15 minutes trying to convince him you probably were not, but couldn't do it.
spies8lilith: I just had a really good idea, LOL.
spies8tina: Oh?
spies8lilith: Let everyone think I am the doctor. Hope the doctor saves me. We got one on the spies, LOL.
spies8tina: Could work. I think there are better ideas.
spies8lilith: Ok, better ideas are better. XD
spies8tina: Well, until all this happened I think "accidently" slipping to someone that you were the doc worked better.
spies8lilith: How should I slip? Or to who?
spies8tina: Not sure if it is the best anymore since at least one person is convinced you are the doctor.
spies8tina: Maybe it would.
spies8tina: You becoming immune because you were "the doctor" would have worked well.
spies8lilith: Or just let people think I am the doctor. If I die, I die. Good news being I wasn't the doctor?
spies8tina: I am thinking do nothing more on the matter is the best.
spies8tina: Not sure what your imprisonment chances are. There are a few others apart from me who have thought you are probably cit for a while.
spies8lilith: omg
spies8lilith: I think my modifying abilities are screwd up... heh.
spies8lilith: I modified my first, it worked fine
spies8tina: I saw that, you made yourself look even more odd.
spies8lilith: But everytime I modifify the second post, it reposts it.
spies8lilith: Jenny keeps pointing it out, lol.
spies8lilith: I think having the QUOTE in the second one, made it report, I just deleted the quote alltogether and it let me edit it.
spies8tina: Looks better now.
spies8lilith: I'm thinking of voting for Jenny at this point. Or lawrence. Zed and Steph I currently do not think are mafia. Claude and Allan I am unsure of because of role claims. Isaac I am no longer confident in.
spies8lilith: Did you scroll to the bottom of the page? ... LOL
spies8tina: Right, you did a great job of accidently looking like doctor.
spies8lilith: I do have a question about the Allan thing.
spies8lilith: Do we know if Savaanah sent him the message EARLIER in the game as messenger?
spies8tina: I think it was after her death, but am not sure.
spies8lilith: I mean, did Sav say anything to anyone about using her abilitiy?
spies8tina: Not that I know of.
spies8lilith: When did Sav claim her role?
spies8tina: After votes were due.
spies8lilith: Oh, ok.
spies8lilith: That answers that then.
spies8tina signed off at 3:53:01 AM.

[Lilith]

spies8lilith: Can I suggest something to you?
spies8owen: Surely.
spies8lilith: What if I claimed Doctor to only one person. If I die at the next imprisonment, you all can be (fairly) confident that that person was a spy. What do you think?
spies8lilith: People keep questioning me about why I am so confident that Gabe was not the doctor :-P.
spies8owen: I've actually had a similar idea.
spies8owen: But wasn't planning on using it on you, hahaha.
spies8owen: Was thinking someone VERY unlikely to be imprisoned.
spies8lilith: Oh.
spies8owen: But it might be worth a shot.
spies8lilith: I want it to be used on me, because in all honesty, I don't think I am cut out for this game. I am terrible at arguing and I don't feel confident in suspecting spies, LOL. Plus, I'd feel like I went out for a good purpose if it did work, which would make me feel more competent .
spies8owen: Aww. Hmm....
spies8lilith: Although, at this point, I feel like people are going to suspect I am the Doctor FOR being so confident about Gabe not being the doctor --_--.
spies8lilith: So if I did claim to the one person I had in mind, I'd have to throw everyone else off somehow... .
spies8owen: Were you thinking Jenny?
spies8lilith: Jenny is the one asking me how I know, and she is the one, who when I read up on her was confident she was a spy, but now talking to her she is so nice, LOL.
spies8lilith: Yes.
spies8owen: LOL.
spies8owen: I had the same person in mind.
spies8lilith: I know nice isn't a reason to keep someone around, but if I do stay in the game, I'd rather it be with people who I enjoy playing the game with. Like, I'd rather catch the mean spies first, but that is kinda silly saying it outloud now that I think about it, LOL.
spies8owen: What would be your reason of claiming to Jenny?
spies8owen: Just so it looks legitimate.
spies8owen: Or else we could slip that you're the doctor in there.
spies8lilith: I am actually not sure, lol.
spies8owen: In a way that it wouldn't look suspicious.
spies8lilith: Slip the doctor in conversation with her?
spies8owen: We'd need someone else to trust in it, because Jenny knows that I suspect her and wouldn't tell her who the doc is.
spies8owen: I think Tina could help. She had a similar idea to this earlier.
spies8lilith: Just for the record, you realize if I include both you and Tina in this plan, if either of YOU are spies, I could end up dead in order to FRAME Jenny and get her fried.
spies8owen: Truth.
spies8owen: I'm town, I'm almost certain that Tina is. If she's not, she's great.
spies8lilith: She keeps pressing me for info (Jenny).
spies8lilith: I told her I'd be a minute because I was writing a response, but now I am done, lol.
spies8lilith: What should I do?
spies8owen: Shit, I'm not sure.
spies8owen: It might not look convincing if you don't have good reasoning.
spies8lilith: Talking to Tina right now, and holding off Jenny here and there.
spies8lilith: LOL
spies8lilith: Jenny asked me why I said Gabe wasn't the doctor. I asked her what do you think I am going to tell you?
spies8owen: Apparently Hambone thinks you're the doctor now.
spies8lilith: She said she thinks the Doctor claimed to me or that I am the doctor.
spies8owen: Blah, this whole plan to test Jenny.
spies8owen: Isn't gonna work now.
spies8owen: Since others think it too.
spies8lilith: This is true, lol.
spies8lilith: I think I will write you and Tina both my suspect list before Imprisonment just in case if I DO get imprisoned you can use my suspect list as a lens that a cleared citizen saw it. And if I do get imprisoned I will be fine with it.
spies8lilith: I keep gonig back on forth on if I actually want to be imprisoned, or if I want to stay in the game, LOL. I know that doesn't make very much sense, or make me very helpful.
spies8lilith: I may be having a full-time job soon, and talking to people (especially now that we have so many people to talk to and analyze) may be too much for me to handle as I would want to. I'd be able to play the game, but not as hard as I would before (basically, I would turn into a Lawrence, lol). But ultimately, I think my fear is I would WANT to play the game so much that it'd interfere with my schedule and I'd be too tired at a new full-time job, LOL.
spies8owen: Aww, well, I hope you stick in there.
spies8owen: But it's understandable, this is a HUGE time commitment.
spies8owen: And is more stressful than a typical online game.
spies8owen: Typical online games don't have me feeling like I'm going to puke most of the time. Heh.
spies8lilith: This game makes you want to puke?
spies8lilith: I'll be honest, it gives me a sense of adventure and excitement and a roller-coaster of emotions just playing one round, but I don't want it to overtake other stuff .
spies8lilith: I don't want to be attacked like Broderick keeps asking me and feeling the need to defend my actions all the time and then feeling like I don't have time to defend those actions as well .
spies8lilith: I'd rather be killed by spies then mistakenly killed by the town.
spies8owen: This round especially, I've been naseous from the stress. Or a combination of that and being hungover.
spies8lilith: Wooo! Hungover! ^_^
spies8owen: And agreed on being imprisoned rather than mislynched.
spies8owen: Being mislynched is a terrible feeling.
spies8lilith: I think I am also somewhat afraid to mislynch other people, cuz then I feel like, really mean and an awful feeling of wow I am dumb and wow I just ended someone else's game. But I know it is the game and this is how it works.
spies8owen: That's how I feel having the only vote this round.
spies8owen: Scary shit.
spies8lilith: I'm sure you'll make a good decision.
spies8lilith: Better than me anyways, lol.
spies8lilith: You have a lot more connections and better ideas than I do probably.
spies8lilith: I edited my posts for Tina and Hambone, and Jenny is pointing out to me my edits, plus it acted odd in my editing and now I have three random posts.
spies8lilith: I think the group silence pretty much means you all don't know what to do with me now, LOL.
spies8owen: I'm actually not discussing you with anyone. I'm confessionalizing.
spies8lilith: Hambone is pretty sure I am doctor.
spies8lilith: I think Jenny thinks so too now, lol.
spies8owen: How did you earn your medical degree?
spies8owen: Errrrr. Times up.
spies8owen: You're not the doc
spies8lilith: LOL, what?
spies8lilith: I guess something that doesn't make sense to me.
spies8lilith: Why would Savaanah send a message to Allan?
spies8owen: lmao, she probably wouldn't.
spies8lilith: I meant fake Savaanah, but a fake Savaanah posing as a dead Sav, why send to Allan, who has claimed power copying?
spies8owen: That's why I think it's a spy messenger.
spies8owen: He's the most gullible.
spies8owen: He believed it.
spies8lilith: Did they WANT him to send it on though?
spies8owen: And because we're allowed to respond to the messages.
spies8owen: Allan could have given stuff up.
spies8owen: And really, I think it was to out the real doctor.
spies8owen: That's the most likely situation.
spies8lilith: Was it your suggestion or his to send you the message?
spies8owen: Mine.
spies8lilith: Oh, ok.
spies8owen: I wanted to see what exactly was said in it and he wouldn't copy/paste it to me.
spies8owen: And I wanted to confirm his role.
spies8owen: He was worried it was breaking a rule.
spies8lilith: I had the brief idea maybe it was a spy messenger who sent it to him who is also a mafia with the power copying ability who then sent it to you to make you think things. I don't know, rofl.
spies8lilith: It just seems really confusing to me to be honest.
spies8owen: I'm almost positive it's a spy messenger. Sending it to Allan? I think he's most likely to reveal something like that/believe it and possibly respond to it.
spies8lilith: Even if it were a spy messenger, using it on Allan intentionally gives him that power though.
spies8owen: That'd be my guess if they're trying to out the doc.
spies8owen: Give it to someone that's gonna put it out there.
spies8owen: And believe it.
spies8lilith: I don't know, ahhhh. I am going to bed now, lol.
spies8lilith: Can we change our nomination vote? Yes I believe? I'm asking just in case I am wrong.
spies8owen: Yep, I believe so.
spies8owen: G'night, Lilith.

[Lilith]

[21:28] spies8lilith: Good luck .
[21:30] spies8owen: As of right now, looks like my choice will be between Isaac/Jenny. I'm obviously gonna do more research on the others nominated, but I don't see myself voting Claude or Steph at the moment.
[21:30] spies8lilith: Steph is someone I am confident it isn't, lol.
[21:30] spies8owen: I sound like a broken record, but I think she's sincere.
[21:30] spies8lilith: Jenny and isaac at first I didn't want them to be nommed. But things are coming up making me second-guess ideas I had. Claude I haven't had enough read on.
[21:31] spies8lilith: I agree with you, so I'm glad you think that .
[21:31] spies8lilith: Me and Tina talked about it awhile ago. I didn't know you felt the same way till Tina said something today (or maybe yesterday?).
[21:32] spies8owen: I was really suspicious of her for a few days, then we started talking more and I realized that she means the stuff she says.
[21:32] spies8owen: ...or I think she does.
[21:32] spies8owen: If not, girl is goooood.
[21:32] spies8lilith: I completely agree with everything you just said, LOL.
[21:32] spies8lilith: The only thing I didn't like was her suspects were people I originally thought were good guys, or vice-versa. But seeing I was wrong about Themba... lol.
[21:33] spies8owen: I'm not exactly positive she was wrong about Dane anymore.
[21:33] spies8lilith: I personally wanted someone who has been laying low to be nommed, to get them under pressure and see how they react, too many people are walking around under the radar.
[21:33] spies8lilith: She suspects Dane? =/
[21:33] spies8owen: I had an over-aggressive town read about Dane in the beginning.
[21:33] spies8lilith: The way Alexei interacted with Dane, I can't see him being mafia, even thoguh I strongly dislike him, LOL.
[21:33] spies8owen: I'm not sure anymore, but she did hardcore in the beginning.
[21:33] spies8owen: He avoids AIM, imo.
[21:34] spies8owen: And when he gets on, it's all arguments.
[21:34] spies8lilith: *sigh* I don't get it.
[21:34] spies8owen: And bribing HIM of all people?
[21:34] spies8owen: His vote isn't that important, as bad as that sounds.
[21:35] spies8lilith: Lol!
[21:35] spies8lilith: I'm trying to think of bribes and what I would do. I'd probably personally be greedy, bribe myself, and accept it, LOL.
[21:35] spies8owen: He seems like the type to just go in the majority either way.
[21:35] spies8lilith: It sounded like the bribe was a forced thing that the host made the spies do?
[21:35] spies8owen: Can't lie, it depends on the amount of money offered, lmao.
[21:35] spies8lilith: Is that correct?
[21:36] spies8owen: I'm not sure -- I'll reread.
[21:36] spies8lilith: The host said that atleast $75 would be offered.
[21:36] spies8lilith: Was that the first bribe?
[21:36] spies8owen: Hmm, doesn't look like it was forced.
[21:36] spies8owen: I'd assume it was the first.
[21:36] spies8owen: Unless there was a private one before that.
[21:37] spies8lilith: Ooo.
[21:37] spies8lilith: But!
[21:37] spies8lilith: Sam REVEALED Dane was bribed.
[21:37] spies8lilith: He never revealed anyone else was offered a bribe.
[21:37] spies8lilith: Would that make it the first?
[21:37] spies8lilith: Why haven't they tried to bribe you yet?
[21:37] spies8owen: Good point. I guess so.
[21:37] spies8lilith: $20 to take your vote Owen .
[21:37] spies8owen: I haven't been offered shit yet.
[21:37] spies8owen: 20?
[21:37] spies8lilith: That's a DVD right there.
[21:37] spies8owen: PSHHH
[21:37] spies8owen: I want a box set.
[21:38] spies8owen: Up it to 40 and I might be game.
[21:38] spies8lilith: Lol.
[21:38] spies8lilith: I don't think I could take a bribe at this point. Earlier in the game I told myself I Would (LOL), but after being voted immunity, I don't think I could.
[21:38] spies8lilith:
[21:38] spies8owen: I told myself before the game I'd take ANY bribe, now I'm like "5 dollars? uhh, no."
[21:39] spies8lilith: Lol
[21:41] spies8lilith: Do you have a preference for who I should vote?
[21:41] spies8lilith: I have a fear, what if someone changes their mind, and changes their vote, and then one of the people I'd rather see nommed goes away, lol.
[21:41] spies8owen: Is your vote already in the tally or no?
[21:41] spies8lilith: It is, but I am not set in stone and I think I want to change it, lol.
[21:42] spies8lilith: Ahhh
[21:42] spies8lilith: I just thought of Jenny's pictures.
[21:42] spies8lilith: Would a spy really do that?
[21:42] spies8lilith: At first I thought it was a spy trying to SHOW US they were a citizen working things out.
[21:42] spies8lilith: But now I feel like it'd be a lot of work to do to print those out, LOL.
[21:43] spies8owen: I'm so unsure what to think about Jenny at times. Sometimes I think she's trying, other times I think she's holding everything back.
[21:43] spies8owen: Ex of trying: suspect boards.
[21:45] spies8lilith: When Jenny did that, it raised kind of a red flag for me because of previous game experience. Am I allowed to talk about previous game experience? It wasn't a spies game, it can't be found online anymore, it was forever ago, lol. So it shouldn't reveal anything about me, unless you were in the same game forever ago as well ... lol.
[21:46] spies8owen: People have referenced other games.
[21:46] spies8owen: As long as it's not to joke about said game or whatever and is for informative purposes, Sam's good with it.
[21:46] spies8owen: Pretty sure
[21:46] spies8lilith: Kk.
[21:47] spies8lilith: Well, my first game simular to spies. This was a LONG time ago, hosts revealed who voted who, but didn't make a voting chart. I made a voting chart of my own using geocities. I showed it to someone I trusted. I was using the chart to help me search for voting patterns.
[21:49] spies8lilith: The person I showed it to turned out to be the cop, she then trusted me BECAUSE I made the voting chart, and so she revealed to me she was the cop, and we worked from there. I was a town btw. We ended up catching three of four spies by working together, but anyways. The bottom line being, after that, I thought to myself "If I am a mafia person, I can do the same thing to make people think I am a citizen playing the game." (although I never did play again for a long time ).
[21:49] spies8lilith: So her posting that kinda made me think of my past experience.
[21:50] spies8owen: Mmhmm, I agree with that. It's definitely something that could go both ways.
[21:50] spies8owen: I think it's why Sam doesn't let us share confessionals we've done and such.
[21:54] spies8lilith: I don't feel like I am getting anywhere with anyone anymore.
[21:56] spies8owen: :/
[21:56] spies8owen: If it makes you feel any better, I don't feel like I've accomplished much... and I'm dictator.
[21:57] spies8owen: People should be running to me with their ideas. They're not.
[21:57] spies8lilith: You should scare people, almighty dictator, lol.
[21:57] spies8owen: Again, this is why I teach KIDS gym. Too nice.
[21:57] spies8lilith: Awwww, lol.
[21:58] spies8owen: I'm not really a disciplinarian. THE COOL TEACHER (yeah, check these roleplaying skillllz)
[21:59] spies8lilith: Huh? LOL
[21:59] spies8owen: Nothing. What's roleplaying?
[21:59] spies8owen: Sounds dirty.
[21:59] spies8lilith: Like, Star Wars Roleplaying?
[22:00] spies8owen: I'd have to ask Jenny about that.
[22:00] spies8owen: She didn't even invite me to the chat tonight.
[22:01] spies8lilith: I actually have that star wars game btw, ol.

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Share 'Meebo Notifier'spies8tina is online - Not here.[18:21] spies8lilith: I am very unsure about Hambone .
[18:21] spies8tina: That was a fun conversation last night.
[18:21] spies8lilith: I talked to him today, it almost seemed to me like he was trying to confirm if I was the doctor or not.
[18:22] spies8lilith: He talks about Nita being the original save, like if he was trying to test. Him only knowing who the original save was if he were a spy.
[18:22] spies8lilith: I said talks, I meant talked. He made a few brief comments that seemed like he was tryin to get info out of me.
[18:23] spies8tina: Im not too sure what he was thinking there. All I know is he completely paniced to me flipped out over you being the doctor.
[18:23] spies8tina: I think he convinced himself of that immediately.
[18:24] spies8tina: Tried to do my best to keep him neutral on it but convinced him more I think.
[18:24] spies8lilith: Also, he made a comment that made me think he knew YOU were the original save. I do not know who was the original save. I am highly guessing it wasn't Nita (unless Gabe was doctor, which I am very highly confident he wasn't). I believe whoever it was would be saved repeatedly by doctor, as it's the doctor's only ally.
[18:25] spies8tina: Ok.
[18:26] spies8lilith: Lol.
[18:26] spies8tina: I am not goint to say if I was the save or not.
[18:27] spies8lilith: You don't have to, but if you were and you know it, I'd be very wary of Hambone, unless you already told him that you were . In which case, that point is useless.
[18:27] spies8tina: Ok.
[18:40] spies8lilith: I don't think I mentioned to you (I talked to Hambone about it).
[18:41] spies8lilith: But I feel like the rumor "that there's more spies on the original republicans" was something intiated or empowered by the spies. The fact that original republicans have both been imprisoned makes me feel like it's the original dems who have the more spies. I feel like the "Kill the original republicans!" may be something the spies are using because A) original republicans have the fewer number of spies and if the doctor is on that side, maybe they want to narrow down the field and get them out quicker
[18:41] spies8lilith: should be a B )
[18:41] spies8lilith:
[18:42] spies8lilith: that sohuld be an OR not an AND between A) and B )
[18:42] spies8lilith:
[18:42] spies8tina: Heh.
[18:42] spies8lilith: No thoughts on that?
[18:42] spies8tina: I would need to read into it a bit.
[18:42] spies8tina: My thoughts is that it was somewhat close, 5-2 at worst.
[18:43] spies8lilith: But the whole Town hypothesizing on which side they were on at the beginning without reason just seems odd to me.
[18:43] spies8lilith: Although, I realize I am doing it now, LOL.
[18:46] spies8tina: I am not super into speculating at this point over all of that.
[19:03] spies8lilith: My gut still actually tells me Jenny is a spy, even though her actions don't make sense to me, LOL.
[19:03] spies8lilith: I feel like it is smarter to go with my original instinct on her.
[19:05] spies8tina: Jenny is a hard read.
[19:12] spies8lilith: Someone told me something about Nita grilling people and that Themba passed. Was there anyone grilled that didn't pass?
[19:12] spies8tina: Don't know.
[19:13] spies8tina: I know she came to the "crazy or spy" conclusion on Steph.
[19:13] spies8lilith:
[19:13] spies8lilith: Oh wait!
[19:13] spies8lilith: Isaac isn't an original republican!
[19:13] spies8tina: Right.
[19:14] spies8tina: Isaac, Jasmine, Lawrence, Broderick and Someone I am blanking on came from dems.
[19:14] spies8tina: Oh yeah.
[19:15] spies8tina: You.
[19:15] spies8lilith: I don't want an original republican to go home. These imprisonments don't make much sense to me. Both were original reps, Gabe wasn't on to anyone, Nita hadn't done anything as of recent.
[19:16] spies8tina: Both were widely considered citizen though.
[19:16] spies8lilith: Gabe was?
[19:16] spies8tina: I do not know anyone who did not think that.
[19:16] spies8lilith: Ahhh, ok.
[19:16] spies8lilith: Nobody on the original democrat side is widely considered citizen?
[19:17] spies8tina: Maybe Awohali.
[19:17] spies8lilith: Really?
[19:17] spies8tina: I have not heard much if anything bad about him.
[20:01] spies8lilith: I just thought of something. What if Isaac's accusations looked false to me because they were. What if Isaac was only going after Jasmine as a bus? Like, what if Isaac and Jasmine are together. Why aren't either of them attacking eachother this round?
[20:01] spies8tina: Isaac appears to be basically gone this round.
[20:01] spies8lilith: O
[20:01] spies8lilith: I didn't realize that, lol.
[20:12] spies8lilith: Ok, I just had a really weird idea.
[20:12] spies8lilith: What if Claude's "ability to only vote certain people" is really the messenger pretending to be Sam?
[20:13] spies8lilith: O wait, Allan will know next round then, lol.
[20:13] spies8tina: I think if that was the case the person would get penalty votes when they didn't vote.
[20:14] spies8lilith: Oh, you are correct, lol.
[20:14] spies8lilith: I thought someone said he had the power to make someone immune from the vote.
[20:14] spies8tina: That is someone else he claims.
[20:15] spies8lilith: Someone said it earlier though to me, while on teams.
[20:15] spies8lilith: That Claude used it to make Chance immune or something.
[20:16] spies8tina: I thought immune was his doing for a while.
[20:16] spies8tina: After looking at enough logs it appears to have just been coinidence.
[20:46] spies8lilith: Steph made a good point to me about Jenny XD.
[20:48] spies8tina: Oh?
[20:49] spies8lilith: That maybe Jenny was afraid Nita had told OTHERS as well, or had told others that she had talked to Jenny about it.
[20:51] spies8tina: Well, I am not sure how Jenny would respond to that.
[20:51] spies8tina: I know that I would do a deer in the headlights move if someone claimed neutral to me.
[20:54] spies8lilith: Who are you voting for? Isaac?
[20:54] spies8tina: Right.
[21:25] spies8tina: I found the relevent part of the chat where Jenny says Nita claimed to her.
[21:25] spies8lilith: ?
[21:25] spies8tina: [20:43] spies8jenny: 17:46] spies8jenny: I hope you aren't still looking for spy friends, I want you to help the cits! No knifebacking!
[17:46] spies8nita: Jenny today I think about what if I do that
[17:46] spies8nita: The problem?
[17:46] spies8nita: Ain't nobody here cept maybe Rondak who can keep a secret
[17:46] spies8nita: Y I no think Rondak es a spy
[17:46] spies8nita: You two I think be the only ones
[17:46] spies8nita: So I say somethin to anyone else, game over for Nita
[20:44] spies8jasmine: so rondak knew?
[20:44] spies8hambone: it seems he may have
[20:44] spies8jenny: No

[21:26] spies8tina: Sounds like she only claimed to Jenny, but considered Rondak.