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spies8lilith (1:15:30 AM): ello Mr.
spies8zedekiah (1:15:48 AM): howdy, pleased t meet ya!
spies8lilith (1:16:12 AM): I've been hearing a lot of interesting things about you ... lol.
spies8zedekiah (1:17:03 AM): I reckon that'd be nice fer most folks
spies8lilith (1:17:14 AM): Lol.
spies8lilith (1:17:58 AM): What's with this supposed "HQ" slipup? Care to explain? I guess I'm just interested in hearing how you talk abou it. I don't really know much or judge you because of that particular incident, but how you talk about it will help me get a better read on you .
spies8zedekiah (1:18:22 AM): of course, it's pretty simple
spies8zedekiah (1:19:48 AM): I'm jus not great at choosing the right words, I'm new t' the series an I used HQ in the literal sense, just the "headquarters" fer whatever.
spies8zedekiah (1:20:24 AM): infact it seems I do it alot
spies8lilith (1:20:50 AM): Hmmm, what are your thoughts on the people that pointed it out and turned it into a case against you?
spies8zedekiah (1:21:27 AM): it's a convinent excuse t' switch the vote
spies8zedekiah (1:21:35 AM): but Sav was town so....
spies8zedekiah (1:22:07 AM): perhaps it was thought out in a sense
spies8lilith (1:22:42 AM): Sav started it?
spies8lilith (1:22:46 AM): I was told Kiara did, lol.
spies8zedekiah (1:23:03 AM): I don't think kiara was a player at the time
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spies8lilith (1:24:05 AM): Nita? I don't remember XD. It was a short name with an I in it, lol.
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spies8lilith (1:25:06 AM): Ooo, nevermind, Nita did it after the fact someone else pointed it out.
spies8zedekiah (1:25:35 AM): i think it was tina
spies8zedekiah (1:25:47 AM): nita was on alexei in the end
spies8lilith (1:26:13 AM): Tina is the one giing me the information about it, lol.
spies8zedekiah (1:26:47 AM):
spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=exile&action=display&thread=378spies8zedekiah (1:26:58 AM): as ye can see nita's vote wasn't on me.....
spies8zedekiah (1:28:18 AM): but anyway, if someone started it, it would have t' be me
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spies8lilith (1:30:57 AM): Hello Madame XD!
spies8jasmine (1:31:20 AM): Hi Lilith
spies8jasmine (1:31:20 AM):
spies8lilith (1:31:26 AM): How are you? ^_^
spies8jasmine (1:31:51 AM): I'm pretty good! How are you? Enjoying it so far even though you've come in mid way?
spies8lilith (1:32:13 AM): Hmmmm, honestly, it's mostly frustrating and confusing, lol.
spies8jasmine (1:32:18 AM): Aw, lol
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spies8jasmine (1:33:22 AM): Yea, to be honest gurl
spies8jasmine (1:33:29 AM): I don't even know anything much that happened at the republican end
spies8jasmine (1:33:33 AM): i tried to stick with the democrats
spies8jasmine (1:33:38 AM): i didnt think we'd mix for a bit
spies8jasmine (1:33:45 AM): so im trying to caught up on it all as well
spies8jasmine (1:33:50 AM): alexei being a spy
spies8jasmine (1:33:57 AM): i think the people he voted for
spies8jasmine (1:34:00 AM): and the thoughts he had
spies8jasmine (1:34:03 AM): will be very valuable to know
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spies8broderick is available (1:41:19 AM)
spies8lilith (1:41:19 AM): What are your thoughts on the game right now Mr. Broderick?
spies8broderick (1:43:03 AM): Hi. Eh could you be a bit more specific?
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spies8lilith (1:43:35 AM): I don't know, LOL. What are your suspicions and why? Lol. I just entered the game so I'm trying to get a brief read on everyone .
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spies8lilith (1:45:32 AM): Or do people not ask that? LOL
spies8broderick (1:46:41 AM): Currently I suspect Jasmine the most.
spies8lilith (1:47:04 AM): Reasons? XD
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spies8lilith (1:47:29 AM): I feel like I can get a good read on people based on them explaining their suspiscions. I don't think mafia can fake a suspcion as well as a real person could.
spies8broderick (1:48:19 AM): She overreacted to an FoS I put on her right before the first Exile. Which piqued my suspicion towards her.
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spies8lilith (1:49:27 AM):
spies8lilith (1:49:35 AM): That's your only reason? lol
spies8broderick (1:49:41 AM): Before the second exile, she was being questioned on elaborating her suspicions and it felt to me that she was struggling.
spies8broderick (1:50:20 AM): She seemed to make statements of certainty regarding her suspicions, then when asked to clarify or supply reasons, she would struggle.
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spies8broderick (1:52:16 AM): My opinion is that if you are suspicious of someone, then you collect evidence to supply for a case. She didn't seem to do any of that.
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spies8lilith (1:53:25 AM): Oh, then I think you'll end up thinking I'm a mafia, LOL. I'm not good at presenting cases agains't people. I can question people and have a gauge of whether they are being sincere or not, but I'm not good at explaining away via logic why I think who it is.
spies8lilith (1:53:47 AM): I'll probably appear dumb to people when I do have my confidence level on someone and try to explain it .
spies8broderick (1:54:08 AM): It isn't necessarily about how well one can present a case. But if you are suspicious of someone, then why wouldn't you compile reasons why?
spies8lilith (1:54:48 AM): Most of my reasons are usually based on instinct and if I think the person is passionate about what they are saying or if I think they are trying to fake it, lol.
spies8broderick (1:55:21 AM): Wouldn't you be able to show something for that though?
spies8broderick (1:55:42 AM): Something like 'In this instance, they acted... ' ?
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spies8lilith (1:56:31 AM): I'm not good with argueing and logic, but I'd be able to make a case. But depending on how well other people can use logic, they can probably find some loop holes to make my case look weak (just by using big words and long sentences).
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spies8broderick (2:00:13 AM): What about your suspicions?
spies8lilith (2:00:24 AM): Well
spies8lilith (2:00:50 AM): The Zed thing was the only thing that stuck out so far. And talking to him today, I didn't really see him passionately defending himself so right now I am still unsure of him.
spies8lilith (2:01:21 AM): I actually do not think it's Jasmine because of something someone posted in the thread just nowish. And she spoke to me very briefly and I liked the way she talked to me.
spies8broderick (2:01:51 AM): What Zed thing?
spies8lilith (2:02:14 AM): I was thinking it was you just because you thought it was Jasmine and she was someone I don't think it is. But after what you JUST posted you shared a thought I had. I'm getting this feeling that the mafia are just going to hide under the radar and try to stay away from the fray.
spies8lilith (2:02:21 AM): Zed slipping and saying HQ.
spies8lilith (2:02:26 AM): But why I MOST suspected Zed.
spies8lilith (2:03:02 AM): Was that Savaanah thought it was him (supposedly) and we KNOW Sav was a citizen. Just reminds me when I strongly think it's someone in a mafia game and no one believes me and I get off and that person keeps skipping through.
spies8lilith (2:03:10 AM): And at the end I go "I told you it was that person!"
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spies8lilith (2:03:20 AM): I don't know, I have a lot of thoughts and they keep changing, LOL.
spies8lilith (2:03:58 AM): Which is a good thing, because I won't trick myself into being stuck on one idea, but it's bad because people will see my thinking as "flakey" and thus non-reliable and when I DO think it's someone people will think it has no validity because I change my mind .
spies8broderick (2:04:37 AM): What about Jasmine and something someone posted in the thread?
spies8lilith (2:04:43 AM): Let me go read
spies8lilith (2:04:45 AM): not thread, sorry, chat
spies8lilith (2:05:10 AM): I'm not going to vote alone for someone I think is Spy, if there is other people I think mighr be spy as well
spies8lilith (2:05:12 AM): that part
spies8lilith (2:05:14 AM): I got thinking about it
spies8lilith (2:05:16 AM): and it made sense
spies8broderick (2:05:32 AM): Where was that said?
spies8lilith (2:05:40 AM): like in a mafia game, if i think someone is a mafia but i don't think anyone will agree, i won't say anything because if I'm right I don't want mafia to kill me off cuz I'm the only one that thinks they're mafia
spies8lilith (2:05:43 AM): which seemed simular here
spies8lilith (2:05:51 AM): someone posted it in the chat just now as Jasmine saying it
spies8lilith (2:05:56 AM): spies8tina (1:43:54 AM): spies8jasmine (2:27:36 PM): Well, I wasn't aware that Cory and Claude were voting for Isaac. they never made it known. At least not to me. I'm not going to vote alone for someone I think is Spy, if there is other people I think mighr be spy as well
spies8lilith (2:06:18 AM): I have this thing where if people are thinking the same thing I am thinking, I think it's likely they are a citizen cuz they think like I do .
spies8broderick (2:06:21 AM): oh lol
spies8lilith (2:06:35 AM): Like, last night, Gabe said something in chat that I was thinking myself.
spies8lilith (2:06:51 AM): I had only talked to Tina up to them and she was kinda matter-of-fact on everything so I couldn't get a good read on her.
spies8lilith (2:07:03 AM): But Gabe said something that ithought too so I immediately talked to him about it
spies8lilith (2:07:15 AM): So I could read him out more.
spies8lilith (2:07:32 AM): My first thought was that he was town, but then I got more unsure as he kept going on about Savaanah, lol.
spies8lilith (2:07:48 AM): So I'm not claiming I knew he was a town, I was unsure as of last night when I spoke to him, lol.
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spies8broderick (2:08:55 AM): Yeah but a spy isn't always going to think differently than you. They tend to lie and try to manipulate things to their advantage.
spies8lilith (2:09:53 AM): I'm not saying a spy will think different, just that it is difficult for a spy to think as a citizen. So if someone has the same thoughts as me, to me, they may have a simular citizen outlook on the game that only a citizen can have.
spies8lilith (2:10:29 AM): A spy can try really hard to put themselves in a citizen mindset and appear as a citizen, but ultimately, they can never fake the passion and realism that a citizen's mindset goes through.
spies8broderick (2:10:35 AM): What if they have played before, and have been a citizen before?
spies8lilith (2:10:58 AM): Like I said, a spy can try really hard to put themselves in a citizen mindset, but they can never do it 100%.
spies8broderick (2:11:11 AM): Why not?
spies8lilith (2:11:50 AM): Because in the back of their mind they know who IS mafia, so when they try to convince people it's someone else, or even try to trick themselves into thinking they really think someone is a mafia, they can't do it the same way.
spies8lilith (2:12:02 AM): Mafia know who to trust and who not to trust. They can't fake that same ignorance that town has.
spies8lilith (2:13:16 AM): Reading back, I think i attached my own feelings to what you said in the chat, so I feel like I can be having this intense conversation with a mafia member, LOL.
spies8broderick (2:14:13 AM): I think there is some truth to the argument that a spy won't have the same mindset as a citizen. However people who have played before know how to act and change accordingly to look like a citizen.
spies8broderick (2:14:18 AM): Some can do it quite well.
spies8broderick (2:14:55 AM): If they couldn't do it well, then the frequency of mislynches would be much lower.
spies8lilith (2:15:27 AM): I don't think it's that they do it well, just that people don't know what to look for or trust their gut.
spies8lilith (2:15:40 AM): People rely too much on logic when sometimes their instincts are much better at analyizing things.
spies8broderick (2:16:10 AM): Guts can be wrong as well.
spies8lilith (2:16:39 AM): They can be, but mafia, in my experience, get the citizens to lynch wrongly by using logic in some twisted morphed way.
spies8broderick (2:17:53 AM): I disagree. Citizens are liable to do things which looky scummy. Obviously you can have citizens who mislynch other citizens, and not a single spy is on that wagon.
spies8broderick (2:17:59 AM): We interpret things differently.
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spies8lilith (2:19:03 AM): I agree that citizens do things that look scummy, and that's what causes people to use logic to argue a case agains't them.
spies8lilith (2:19:11 AM): And thus why logic can fail... haha.
spies8lilith (2:19:27 AM): Maybe I'm a little caught up on learning about the supposed power of the unconscious and gut instrinct.
spies8lilith (2:19:57 AM): Although I don't really believe in using all instrinct, I believe in using a little logic as well, but I believe instinct is underestimated .
spies8lilith (2:22:52 AM): I do, however, like that you disagree with me, balances out my thoughts. Currently I am undecided on you to be honest, as I am with everyone. ... I feel like my thoughts will keep bouncing back and fourth and I'll never come to a clear idea of who it is. I do still have this feeling that mafia are bein smart and laying back to avoid attention.
spies8broderick (2:23:37 AM): I think that is a good possiblity, that some of them are in the 'under the radar' people.
spies8lilith (2:25:10 AM): Right now, there's six spies (someone told me this, I can't find it on the boards, although I admit I didn't look much, lol, there's so much to read I've only picked out certain parts)... which means maybe 3 on each side, or maybe we're unlucky and only have 2 on our team, and there's 13 people and more than half I've barely talked to, so it could be like everyone im talking to is a citizen and the one's i haven't are the spies =/... heh.
spies8broderick (2:26:05 AM): I believe I said that last night. We started with seven spies (Sam said this number in the opening chat,) and Alexei was lynched, so that leaves six.
spies8broderick (2:26:25 AM): The number of spies on each side is essentially random.
spies8broderick (2:26:39 AM): There is a possibility that there are no spies on one team, though very very small.
spies8lilith (2:26:44 AM): i think the two sides messes me up cuz it means we could have any number of spies on our side =/
spies8lilith (2:26:54 AM): ya that'd be a small chance
spies8lilith (2:27:00 AM): and pretty much screw over the town
spies8lilith (2:27:25 AM): with one town always voting off a cit, and the other having a majority who (may) be able to prevent any of them from being voted out, lol
spies8broderick (2:27:27 AM): Yes it can happen. There could be anywhere from 0-6 on our team.
spies8lilith (2:28:04 AM): >_<
spies8lilith (2:28:13 AM): Sam should switch it up immediately if that happened, lol
spies8broderick (2:28:25 AM): lol.
spies8lilith (2:28:28 AM): But anyways, that's irrelevent, lol.
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