Confessional, Round 2

[Nita]

Aaaaah, I love this game. First mission accomplished.

I had this all ready to go to post in my confessional before Alexei's alignment was revealed:

Republicans:

Alexei (6) - Nita, Gabriel, Hambone, Owen, Dane, Rondak

Zedekiah (4) - Savannah, Themba, Jenny, Tina

Son of a bitch. If I had come up with a good reason to switch my vote to Zedekiah, it would have been a tie, fulfilling one of my missions.

See, I wasn't sure if Alexei was a Spy because it was such a loose case. So I thought that I wasn't going to get any points this round. And I was sorry that at least I didn't cause a tie. Truth is, I don't know if a revote would have been successful (the swing vote would have been Allan, and he's stupid). So it's good that we just got it right in the first place and I at least get 1 mission.

Hopefully I don't get imprisoned.

[Nita]

All things considered, maybe I should have just tried to aim for this one instead:
- Vote for someone and have them get the 2nd highest number of votes


The four benefits of doing what I did:
- The doctor could save me, since it's obvious that I nailed Alexei (benefactor of role action = 1 mission)
- Others will trust me and possible tell me about their role (1 mission)
- It will make lying about a bribe easier if I am trusted (1 mission)
- People will help me earn positive prizes (1 mission)

Actions in round 1 earn you a lot of credibility for later. If I purposely mess up next round, say by getting a Citizen exiled with 80% of the vote (1 mission), then I can reduce the target on my back.

[Nita]

I am KIND OF thinking of talking to Jenny, Themba, Stephanie, or Savannah and telling them about my alignment. I'd tell them to hold off on imprisoning me, because I can help them (as a neutral party, I have no interest in who wins the game) and because I am a free removal at exile 8 (when I expect to have 10 of 12 missions complete). I would word it in such a way that even if I told a Citizen, they would be on my side. I'd say something like, "It's fun figuring out who the Spies are" and "There's no way I can win on my own - I need help" and "If you really are a Citizen, you'll need my help in protecting you from next exile and pushing the vote onto someone else".

Three things preventing me from doing this:
- What if the person I claim to is a Citizen who can't keep a secret?
- Maybe the doctor will save me
- Maybe the Spies are thinking about imprisoning someone else. There are 21 other people to choose from

[Nita]

Updates ...

I'm hearing a lot of dumb quota shit and made a thread telling people that following imaginary quota systems is stupid. "At least one spy bussed Alexei" - you got proof? Was my case legit? Was everyone else's vote legit? You have to look at everyone individually, instead of imagining you know what happened and going from there.

Themba in group chat last night came right out and said "Nita, you're the ideal imprisonment target". Thanks hon.

I've been grappling a lot with what I should do. I always feel paranoid at imprisonment time, like "Oh, it's going to be me! I just know it!" Only this time I feel like it's really legit. Unlike previous Spies games, I voted out a Spy round 1. That signals that I know what I'm doing. Now, anything can happen - hell, the Spies in Spies 5 targeted an inactive for the first imprisonment, the Spies in Spies 4 targeted someone who was an UTR threat, and the Spies in Spies 2 targeted the pervert to frame me, but the Spies in these seasons lost. My group of Spies always targeted the biggest threats, and we won.

I consider myself to be one of the biggest threats, not because I made the case on Alexei, but because no one suspects me, I'm not superclose with anyone which means I'm not BFFs with any Spies, and people consider me reasonable. If the Spies kept me, it would be because of my fights with Allan and their hopes that I would bring drama.

So what do I do? Do I out myself as a third party to my biggest suspect (Themba or Savannah or Jenny), putting my fate in my own hands? Or do I keep quiet and hope either the Spies target someone else or the Doctor saves me, putting my fate in the hands of others? #2 is probably the more wise choice, because if I don't get imprisoned, #1 seriously hurts my chances of winning the game (if the Spies don't believe me, if they decide to take me out anyway, or if the person I tell is a blabbermouth). But I'm not patient and I don't like letting others have control over my fate.

To state my point of view on Allan quitting: I had nothing to do with it. He came into chat and literally 3 minutes in, as a result of Tina's comment "Look who finally showed up" or whatever, just lost it. And if he's upset over something as dumb as that in round 2 of a 14 round game, maybe it's for the best that he's quitting now. But I do not think I provoked him and I do not think I did anything wrong.

Comment to Sam: I think you need to remind people of the "no posting conversations or big chunks of private chat" rule. Like maybe a post in the Burg. Because the Republicans are definitely having issues with it.

Suspicions:
- Themba and Zedekiah are not Spies together
- Stephanie may not be a Spy (her relationship with Alexei)
- Jenny may be a Spy (very nice to Alexei, stepping up for him, she never considered voting him)
- Themba may be a Spy
- Dane is probably not a Spy (did he argue with Alexei too, or just Stephanie in the chat where Alexei says goodbye?)

No reason to clear them (watch list):
Rondak
Gabriel
Hambone

[Nita]

I decided to tell Jenny that I have a third party role.

Why Jenny? I'm looking through my notes and I think she's a Spy.

My bigass case on Jenny, with quotes:

Jenny defends Alexei:
[22:59] spies8alexei: and, once again, I appreciate your honesty.
[22:59] spies8alexei: has left the chat
[22:59] spies8themba: did he just admit to being a spy? or was that just me?
[22:59] spies8jenny: I don't think so.
[23:00] spies8jenny: I think he was just semi-depressed about possibly being the first gone.
[23:00] spies8jenny: I know I would be.

Defending Alexei from what Rondak put up:
[20:28] spies8jenny: I think I might be able to figure out an explanation there.
[20:28] spies8tina: Because he got confused between alignment and role?
[20:28] spies8jenny: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=180
[20:28] spies8rondak: No, he seemed to know a difference, hence him being online for the alignments but not the roles.
[20:29] spies8jenny: Sam made a distinction between them in that topic, and the roles weren't said to be done til the next day.
[20:29] spies8jenny: So that might have been what he was talking about.
[20:29] spies8rondak: But then he said he wasn't sure if roles even existed.
[20:30] spies8jenny: It sounds more like he's saying that Roles aren't the same as allegiences, although maybe they are called the same in Spies.
[20:30] spies8rondak: *nods* That's what he was saying.
[20:31] spies8rondak: It struck me as odd.
[20:34] spies8jenny: Might just be wording confusion, but if he comes on, we could ask about it.


Trying to help Alexei here?
[20:47] spies8alexei: I never said I still think Zed is a Spy
[20:47] spies8alexei: maybe read what I say
[20:47] spies8owen: But you have no problem still pushing him as a target?
[20:47] spies8tina: So you are voting him for what.
[20:47] spies8alexei: I'm not voting him
[20:47] spies8alexei: who said I was?
[20:48] spies8jenny: Then what do you mean by this?

[20:44] spies8tina: Are you sure? Also can you explain your suspects to start off?
[20:44] spies8alexei: Zed then Dane

[20:48] spies8tina: I thought you did a little bit ago. Zed or Dane
[20:48] spies8alexei: "then" is different than "or"
[20:48] spies8jenny: Sounds to me like you're saying Zed is your first suspect, followed by Dane.
[20:48] spies8tina: So who are you voting?
[20:49] spies8alexei: yes, Jenny has it right
[20:49] spies8alexei: Dane right now
[20:49] spies8hambone: why dane?
[20:49] spies8jenny: How can I have it right, and then you say it's Dane?
[20:49] spies8alexei: yes
[20:49] spies8tina: So Zed who you think is town is your SECOND vote.
[20:49] spies8alexei: It was Zed, but changed to Dane
[20:49] spies8alexei: I`m not sure
[20:50] spies8gabriel: alexei
[20:50] spies8gabriel: uh... ..........
[20:50] spies8alexei: what?
[20:50] spies8tina: How are you not sure. I know who my first and second picks are right now.
[20:50] spies8jenny: Oh that's what you meant. I thought you were saying your MAIN suspect was Zed, with your 2nd highest suspect being Dane.
[20:50] spies8alexei: I guess Zed would be my second vote as it stands right now

Then she is quiet for 50 minutes, doesn't ask anything, while the others are asking Alexei questions


Jenny doesn’t think Alexei is a Spy:
Episode 1 votes thread: (doesn't mention Zedekiah)
Jenny: I've already told most of you my vote on AIM, but I'm voting Zeddy too. Being missing right after roles went out is one thing, but that group chat was just ridiculously strange over what should have been a quick question about it.

When Tina y yo discuss Alexei in chat for the first time, Jenny no say nothin.

Here Jenny says she thinks Alexei could be a Spy "but wants to see more". Tina lists a lot, she ignores all of it.
[20:11] spies8tina: Anyways though, with respect to what I have continually been bringing up on Alexei, what are your thoughts there? Is it just not as good as what you think of Zek? Do you think I am just way off track?
[20:11] spies8tina: I understand that you are not voting him, but I am not overly sure what you think of him and the case.
[20:13] spies8jenny: I think it's entirely possible Lexi could be a spy, but I'd like to see more from him before I decide what to do there. Which might not matter in a couple hours, but I'd rather see more of him first.
[20:14] spies8tina: So like on a 1-10 where 10 being sure thing and 1 being no chance.
[20:15] spies8jenny: Somewhere between a 3 and a 7. That's probably not very helpful, but I really don't know what to think of this guy right now. He seems to me to be coming off like someone in a previous game named Callahan, who just gave up when people put pressure on him the first day, and turned out to be a cit.
[20:16] spies8tina: He has not given up.
[20:16] spies8jenny: He sure sounded like he was giving up last night.
[20:16] spies8tina: He came back and we talked a whole lot later last night.
[20:16] spies8jenny: I guess that was after I left?
[20:16] spies8tina: Yes.
[20:16] spies8tina: At least I think so.
[20:17] spies8tina: That was when his suspicion changed to Steph from Dane.

(Point busted, so Jenny changes the subject. Tina still continues)

[20:17] spies8jenny: I wish more people were around right now. Most of our team is still out and we've only got a few hours.
[20:17] spies8tina: Also when more confusingness occured about Zek.
[20:18] spies8tina: He apparently told you in private he was convinced Zek was a spy very shortly before he posted something in public that he claimed ment he thought Zek was neutral.
[20:18] spies8tina: According to him he did not think Zek was a spy untill about 10-15 minutes after he told you that.
[20:18] spies8jenny: Yeah, that log you showed me earlier, right?
[20:18] spies8tina: Right.
[20:19] spies8tina: That is the kind of stuff that I can not get over.
[20:19] spies8tina: He explicity contridicts himself there.
[20:20] spies8tina: His thoughts on Zek seem to mostly follow what everyone elses were.
[20:21] spies8tina: During people ganging up on him, Zek was spy. The next day when at least a few vocal people had oppostie views, his changed.
[20:21] spies8tina: I just am back and forth here. There is so much that points to spy, but there are things that point the other way. I just do not think they quite outweigh the spy tells.
[20:22] spies8tina: I have no idea what to make of him not getting a case on Steph up.
[20:30] spies8owen: has joined the chat
[20:30] spies8owen: Good evening.
[20:30] spies8jenny: Hi Owen!

So Jenny had no problem asking Zedekiah questions. But she leaves Alexei alone and says "she wants to see more"??


Jenny didn’t consider voting for Alexei:
[16:21] spies8dane: jenny
[16:21] spies8dane: who is your temporary vote on, that you posted in your confessional
[16:22] spies8jenny: Oh, I put it on Zeddy for the time being.
[16:22] spies8dane: alright
[16:23] spies8Nita: Tina y yo are postin a case on Alexei
[16:23] spies8Nita: I put my parts up
[16:23] spies8dane: who is your biggest suspect after that?
[16:24] spies8jenny: After that, I'm not really sure yet. A lot of what else seems to have happened seems to really depend on what Zeddy is to say much to me.


[12:40] spies8jenny: I don't have a final vote yet, although if I had to pick, I'd probably go for Zeddy, just because that's the only thing that's been super strange to me at this point.


[17:16] spies8tina: So anyways. We have about 30 hours left. Who are you two voting right now?
[17:17] spies8jenny: I'm still on Zeddy for now, although when I see Lexi, I'm going to want to talk to him for a bit.
[17:17] spies8hambone: yeah
[17:17] spies8hambone: right now
[17:17] spies8hambone: if i had to vote its either gonna be on Z or A
[17:17] spies8jenny: I think the final vote is going to be between them today.


[22:46] spies8themba: Jenny, I'd like to hear your thoughts, if you wouldn't mind. Are you still planning on voting Zed?
[22:48] spies8jenny: Just saw your question, sorry. Yeah I'll probably stick with Zeddy for now (sorry Zeddy )
[22:49] spies8jenny: Day one just stinks sometimes.



Jenny targeted Zedekiah:
Jenny be the first person to accuse anyone in the game:
[18:02] spies8jenny: Anybody have any thoughts about possible meanie spy people?
[18:03] spies8rondak: I have yet to meet much of the adventurers.
[18:03] spies8alexei: just got back from school and didn't get the chance to talk to anyone, so, no.
[18:03] spies8rondak: And yourself, lass?
[18:04] spies8jenny: Only thing that sticks out to me is that Zeddy told me two hours after the roles went out that he hadn't talked with anybody yet since getting roles.
[18:04] spies8alexei: that is rather interesting
[18:05] spies8jenny: He could have simply been busy at the time, but it's also possible he was talking with spy people and didn't really want to bring that up.
[18:05] spies8alexei: yeah


[00:11] spies8stephanie: jenny?
[00:11] spies8jenny: Yes?
[00:11] spies8stephanie: you were the one who started the whole zeke thing
[00:11] spies8stephanie: i'm just wondering what you are thinking now
[00:12] spies8themba: i second that
[00:12] spies8jenny: Well, I don't really know what to think with him at this point. He's probably going to be my vote for now just because it's still the most suspicious thing to me, but I really don't know what exactly to think of him at this point.


[00:19] spies8jenny: But that's the thing, if (Zedekiah's) a cit, there really shouldn't have been that much reason to panic.
[00:19] spies8stephanie: oh heck citizens panic all the time
[00:19] spies8themba: haha this is true.
[00:20] spies8jenny: Over not talking on AIM?
[00:20] spies8themba: over over-worrying about looking like a spy.
[00:20] spies8jenny: To the degree of

[21:51] spies8zedekiah: I knew didn't know how to log off cus a message popped up, but I was logged on cus I didn't log off

[00:20] spies8stephanie: over anything
[00:20] spies8themba: lmfaooo
[00:20] spies8themba: what does that mean?
[00:20] spies8jenny: I don't even know!


Jenny refers to past games all the time – like her analysis of my case, and Callahan – but she’s never referred to a Citizen who made ridiculous mistakes?



[18:52] spies8jenny: Hi Zeddy!
[18:52] spies8zedekiah: Howdy Jenny
[18:55] spies8zedekiah: I've reached a moment o' clarity, I think I can call out some spies before tommarrows imprisionment
[18:55] spies8jenny: Who do you have in mind?
[18:57] spies8zedekiah: yes, I'd like to tlak with the folks I mentioned yesterday, but as some of y'all know I did a bit of research b'fore the exile, an I think themba is scum.
[18:57] spies8jenny: Why Themby?
[18:58] spies8zedekiah: I won't elaborate on this 'til I post a thread in the republican board t'night
[18:58] spies8zedekiah: still gotta talk t' her first
[18:59] spies8stephanie: has joined the chat
[18:59] spies8stephanie: hi
[19:00] spies8jenny: Zeddy is telling us about his suspects!
[19:00] spies8zedekiah: allan is suspect because of his stray vote, I want t' see more o him too
[19:00] spies8jenny: But didn't you have a stray vote also? I actually wanted to ask about that, why vote Allan over Lexi?
[19:02] spies8zedekiah: Well, I meant "stray" as in "why are ye hidin from your teammates when you have used the vote thread just a few days ago"
[19:04] spies8zedekiah: also my vote was on him 'cause he was submareenin up til then, when I did get t' chat with him it was 2 til vote lock deadline
[19:04] spies8zedekiah: minutes that is
[19:05] spies8tina: Ok. So if you had to vote someone right now who would it be?
[19:06] spies8zedekiah: you fer askin the same ol generic questions
[19:06] spies8jenny: And you still didn't really answer my question. What made you decide Allan was more suspicious then Lexi?
[19:06] spies8tina: For asking who you would vote for?
[19:07] spies8zedekiah: I told ya not five minutes ago I think themba is scum, what other reason could trump that?
[19:07] spies8tina: You mentioned Allan as well. Clarification is always a good thing.
[19:08] spies8zedekiah: fair nuff, need t' talk t' you in a bit too if ye don't mind
[19:09] spies8tina: Would you rather talk here or individually?
[19:09] spies8jenny: [19:06] spies8jenny: And you still didn't really answer my question. What made you decide Allan was more suspicious then Lexi?
[19:10] spies8zedekiah: @ jenny: I thought Alexei was moderately suspicous too, but I reckoned that I ought to stick to disproving one case at a time 'fore takin up another lead
[19:11] spies8stephanie: and yet you are now taking up a themba lead?
[19:11] spies8zedekiah: Like I said, I got t' tlak t' him
[19:11] spies8zedekiah: but it was too late to change votes
[19:12] spies8jenny: So you're saying you would have voted Lexi in the end, but the deadline already passed before you could switch?
[19:13] spies8zedekiah: hmmmm
[19:13] spies8zedekiah: well I need t' have time t' think o my vote
[19:13] spies8zedekiah: but he was more suspect than dane
[19:14] spies8zedekiah: an o course I dont' suspect myself
[19:30] spies8zedekiah: well, had a bit of a chat with tina, pretty interestin stuff
[19:32] spies8zedekiah: any of y'all discuss strategy with alexei recently?
[19:32] spies8jenny: Well he's kind of dead now.
[19:32] spies8zedekiah: .... >_> maybe 'round thursday?
[19:33] spies8zedekiah: to saturday
[19:33] spies8jenny: You looking for anything in particular?


[19:57] spies8zedekiah: spies8tina 5:16 pmI ...had talked to him during the point he was voting Dane, and he had told me he was changing to Steph and making a case there...
[19:57] spies8zedekiah: that was the conversation I had with her a bit ago
[19:57] spies8jenny: Ok..... and?
[19:58] spies8zedekiah: so that means he was tellin everyone a different suspect
[19:58] spies8zedekiah: but he never followed through
[19:58] spies8jenny: Ok, so what's your point??
[19:59] spies8zedekiah: uhhh
[20:00] spies8jenny: I'm serious, I'm not sure where you're going with this.
[20:01] spies8zedekiah: it was mostly to establish the type of contact alexei was making
[20:03] spies8zedekiah: well, I thought it would be important later....
[20:04] spies8zedekiah: I'm not sure
[20:04] spies8jenny:


Creating the propaganda:
[22:31] spies8jenny: Did you guys see Zeddy accuse Lexi of being a spy in the group chat I posted?
[22:31] spies8savannah: maybe i just wanted to slap the shit out of you
[22:31] spies8savannah:
[22:31] spies8themba: LMFAO
[22:32] spies8themba: gold
[22:32] spies8themba: Sav - 1. Dane - 0.
[22:32] spies8jenny: It was rather depressing.


[22:42] spies8hambone: has joined the chat
[22:42] spies8hambone: hey
[22:42] spies8jenny: Hi Hammy! We were just talking about how Zeddy just accused Lexi of being a spy, and how Savanny just realized what the Anagram Alliance meant.

[22:43] spies8gabriel: hey wait jenny
[22:43] spies8gabriel: seriouslY???
[22:43] spies8jenny: I mean, he just comes out and goes "EVERYONE I THINK I HAVE IT." And then he goes into this giant rant that pretty much just says Lexi is a spy. And we just go "... yes, very good Zeddy."
[22:43] spies8jenny: You were there!
[22:43] spies8jenny: RemembeR?
[22:44] spies8jenny: You fell asleep?
[22:44] spies8gabriel: i was asleep at the keyboard D:
[22:44] spies8jenny: He didn't say it in so many words, but he just talked about how suspicious Lexi was.


Enjoying drama creation
Why would a Citizen be laughing at this? A Spy would be happy that there was some drama
[00:01] spies8jenny: I need a drink though, my stomach started hurting from all the laughing I was doing.
[00:01] spies8hambone: u silly goose
[00:01] spies8stephanie: laughing?
[00:01] spies8stephanie: i wasn't laughing
[00:01] spies8stephanie: i was biting my nails
[00:01] spies8jenny: drama button, and no exile vote, and owen vote?
[00:01] spies8jenny: Yes, laughing.

[Nita]

Continuing, I'll post my Jenny chat here, since it was tres dramatique.

Summary:
- I told her I wasn't a Citizen
- I told her about my case - that I was going to blackmail her with it to keep my secret and work with me
- I told her I could be pro-Spy or pro-Citizen, depending on what she was
- She told me she wasn't a Spy, she was a Citizen (of course)
- I told her to not tell anyone about what I told her and that to show that she could trust me, I wasn't going to PM my case to anyone to use against her in case I died (I am going to PM her part of the case so she knows I'm not making it up)

For now, I'm going to treat her like she's my confirmed Citizen.


[16:10] spies8Jenny: I honestly should not be on right now, so you'll have to be fast.
[16:10] spies8nita: Hola chica
[16:10] spies8nita: Si
[16:10] spies8nita: You good at keepin a secret?
[16:10] spies8nita: You no talk much so I hope you are
[16:10] spies8Jenny: I can, yes.
[16:10] spies8nita: Okay
[16:10] spies8nita: This is a little bit of blackmail but I'm gonna try it because I'd rather have my fate in my own hands
[16:10] spies8nita: Basically I think about it today
[16:10] spies8nita: Come up with big case on you
[16:10] spies8nita: I think you be a spy
[16:11] spies8nita: I want to post it but I also have a reason not to
[16:11] spies8nita: Two reasons
[16:11] spies8nita: First, I no wanna be imprisoned, and if you a spy maybe we can work somethin out
[16:11] spies8nita: Second, I ain't a citizen, so I don't need to get the spies out
[16:11] spies8Jenny: You're a third party?
[16:11] spies8nita: So here's what I'm offerin
[16:12] spies8nita: You keep your mouth shut
[16:12] spies8nita: No tell no one bout this
[16:12] spies8nita: I help you
[16:12] spies8nita: You iin trouble now, people want ot exile you
[16:12] spies8nita: You talk, I help them
[16:12] spies8nita: I post my case
[16:12] spies8nita: comprende?
[16:13] spies8nita: I'm offerin a partnership
[16:13] spies8Jenny: Well I'm not against working together, but I'm not a spy. You fine using what you have to help the citizens?
[16:13] spies8nita: I think you are a spy
[16:14] spies8nita: I hope you are
[16:14] spies8nita: Cause if you ain't, I can still be imprisoned
[16:14] spies8Jenny: You're really that worried about it?
[16:14] spies8nita: Si
[16:14] spies8nita: I ain't the doctor, so my fate is en someone else's hands, no?
[16:15] spies8Jenny: I've actually been worried about it myself, since I've had people say that I seem to be a leader, when I'm not even trying to be one.
[16:15] spies8nita: You ain't a leader. You a spy defendin Alexei, attackin Zedekiah, y goin after citizens
[16:15] spies8nita: That what I find anyway
[16:15] spies8nita: But I keep quiet if you help me
[16:15] Meebo Message: Could not IM buddy
[16:17] spies8Jenny: I don't mind helping you out with whatever you have, as long as it isn't something that hurts the town, but I'm really not a spy, so this isn't going to change anything as far as imprisonment goes one way or the other.
[16:17] spies8nita: I ain't one or the other. I have my own win condition. I can use it to help either
[16:17] spies8nita: It be my choice
[16:17] spies8nita: So if you are a spy, tell your spy friends bout this
[16:18] spies8nita: Ask em to keep quiet
[16:18] spies8nita: I can help them if you are a spy
[16:18] spies8nita: If you're a cit, you know my secret so I gotta help the cits
[16:18] spies8nita: If you be a spy, you no have to tell me now
[16:18] spies8nita: Just make sure I ain't imprisoned tonight
[16:18] spies8Jenny: I can't really do much about imprisonment, but I'll at least listen.
[16:19] spies8nita: You tell anyone, I post my case on you
[16:19] spies8nita: Comprende?
[16:20] spies8Jenny: I don't really mind if you post a case on me actually, but I don't have reason to tell anyone right now. It'd be easier to agree though if I knew exactly what kind of help you need.
[16:20] spies8nita: If you be a citizen, you help me with some of my win conditions and I help you get some spies.
[16:21] spies8nita: If you be a spy, you no imprison me so I can do my thing and I help you get some citizens
[16:21] spies8nita: Tiene sentido? Make sense?
[16:21] spies8Jenny: Go on.
[16:22] spies8nita: I ain't tellin you my win condition yet if that's what you're askin. I don't know yet if I can trust you
[16:22] spies8nita: We'll see how our partnership goes, si?
[16:22] spies8nita: Or you tell me no now, I put my case up on you, y if I live, you be exiled next
[16:22] spies8Jenny: Like I said, I really shouldn't be on right now, so you have to hurry. We got hail coming in.
[16:22] spies8nita: that's all I got to say
[16:23] spies8nita: What's your decision?
[16:23] spies8nita: work with me y keep your mouth shut, or no?
[16:23] spies8Jenny: I've already said I'm willing to help for now, go ahead.
[16:23] spies8nita: Okay
[16:23] spies8nita: As a sign of trust I ain't gonna PM my case on you to nobody
[16:24] spies8nita: If you be a spy, you kill me if you want, but then you no benefit from what I can offer
[16:24] spies8nita: If you be a citizen, then you got nothin to worry bout
[16:24] spies8nita: We talk after the imprisonment?
[16:25] spies8Jenny: As long as I can get on. I'm just hoping we don't lose power again during the hail storm we're about to get.
[16:25] spies8nita: Espero que no, I hope that no happen
[16:25] spies8Jenny: That would be bad
[16:26] spies8nita: You promise to no say nothin to no one?
[16:26] spies8Jenny: Alright, I really really have to get going, I can already hear some of the hail about to fall, so I need to finish up around here.
[16:26] spies8nita: No one, no Tina or nobody
[16:26] spies8Jenny: And I don't think you'll have to worry about that anyways right now, but yeah I won't tell anyone.
[16:26] spies8nita: Unless you a spy, then you can tel the others
[16:26] spies8nita: Adios Jenny
[16:27] spies8Jenny: See you soon (hopefully)!
[16:27] spies8Jenny:
[16:28] spies8Jenny: (Fire one minute, and Hail the next. Just my luck huh?)

[Nita]

No imprisonment yayayayayayay (if it was me, and if a role was used on me, even better - 1 mission complete)

[Nita]

Missions to focus on:

Ideally I would like to get a landslide on a Citizen.

I don't think the exile of a citizen with a role will happen this round, but if it does, I will capitalize on it.

I would like a tie. If I can't get a tie, I would like to vote in the minority.


Other missions:

I'd like to continue to not receive exile votes.

I would like someone to confide their role in me.

[Nita]

Also, just because I confided in Jenny doesn't mean I can't try again to confide in a Spy. I'd just have to play both sides (which would be fun, though challenging).

[Nita]

Blaaaah. I am so playing this the wrong way. I asked a lot of questions to Savannah, Stephanie, and Themba tonight in the group chat, it's going to go up in public, and people are going to see it. And for what? My asking questions isn't helping my side. Blaaaaaaah. I need to play this more selfishly.

[Nita]

Notes from tonight:

- Stephanie is ridiculous. Her favorite piece of evidence in round 1 was that Dane paid attention to the democrat forum. Her favorite piece of evidence in round 2 was WIFOM that spies voted for Alexei and therefore she should look at the Alexei voters. She picked out Rondak for asking her twice what bussing is, and Owen for doubting the vote tally for exile 1. She is crazy or a spy.

- Savannah totally choked

- Themba handled herself well

- Owen, Tina and I are in kind of an alliance? We had a private group chat running tonight and we're all on the same page about a lot of things

- I talked to Rondak, the little elf. He's so cute. So lost. I'm trying to help him (and Hambone) play Spies. I think he has a great sense of humor (so does Hambone). I hope to see more of his wit in a one-on-one context

- Dane trying to tell the doctor to save me was cute too

- Jenny so far hasn't spilled. Are the first 24 hours the hardest?

- Savannah is my top suspect, but I really don't think she can keep a secret, so I can't talk to her. I have to hope to "make the merge" and talk to the Democrat Spies.

[Nita]

My strategy for this round: I'm not doing anything. I came off as a leader in the group chat last night, so I'm going to dissuade that by not making a case this round.

I'm following the votes of the others.

If it looks like the votes will be close, I'll aim for the tie.

If it looks like there's a definite secondary cluster of votes, I will vote there.

If it looks like a landslide is forming, I'll join it if the target is someone who I think is a Citizen. If it looks like the landslide is forming on a Spy, I will avoid it (to achieve another mission).


I hope one of the Spies is creatively-inclined and makes a taunting video like the cracked-out one from Spies 3:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KgTvzaAt08

[Judge Sam]

from the video: We look forward to "working" with you more hahahaha

I'm intrigued that you told your role to Jenny. If she does tell others, how do you think they will react to you? How will that affect your ability to accomplish your missions?

[Nita]

I told Jenny I was a third party for two reasons:

1. I genuinely thought Jenny was a Spy. After making that case on Alexei, I think my imprisonment chances went up. And I can't win if I'm dead before completing my 10 missions. So I wanted to offer the Spies my assistance in exchange for imprisonment immunity. I can arrange my agenda to be pro-Spy and reward them with damage to the Citizens and a free removal. A partnership.

I know I'm convincing enough that if I present my story to a Spy that the Spies will believe me.

2. I am confident Jenny can keep a secret. Everyone complains that she doesn't say much. If she's not talking much, she's not blabbing anything. I also think she's fairly level-headed. So I was betting that whether Jenny was a Citizen that she wouldn't tell anyone. I wasn't going to talk to anyone who I thought would blab (out of the Republicans, the only other person who I think is capable of keeping a secret is Rondak).


If Jenny does tell others, I'm not worried. I am good at talking my way out of things and assuring people. I presented my alignment to Jenny in a way that makes it seem like I have a choice: I can be pro-Spy or pro-Citizen with my missions; it's up to me. If she tells anyone and they confront me, I will tell them exactly like I told her. If she blabs to a Spy, that might actually benefit me and get me what I want. If she blabs to a Citizen, my actions have shown that I'm pro-Citizen anyway, so they'll go along with it.


Basically, I think I have 0 chance of being exiled simply because of my alignment. It's imprisonment that worries me.

So far things are going according to plan:

- Allan role-claimed to me as a result of my pro-Citizen actions last round, which is what I hoped would be a benefit of making that case on Alexei. Jenny actually helped make this happen, so that makes me even more satisfied with my decision to confide in her.

- The Republicans trusts me, so when the opportunity for rewards comes up they might help me earn one.

- As far as I know, no one is voting me for exile 2. If no one votes for me in exile 3, that's another mission accomplished


I can only see Jenny helping me with my plans. I haven't told her that once I win I am automatically removed from the game. If I told her that, I think my missions would be compromised. I also lied and told her I needed to survive exile 9, not exile 8 and that I had to complete 12 of 14 missions, not 10 out of 12. This way she won't see me leaving anytime soon and thinks I'll be pro-Citizen for the long-haul.

[Nita]

I'm posting this in my confessional in case I want to post it later. I don't want to post it now because I really need to know where the votes are going and I need to be able to legitimately vote for whoever I want. My analysis, below, is fact-based. If I post it, I'm preventing myself from voting certain people. If I lie (at least, it feels like lying) by not posting it, I can vote for whoever I want.

Oh, not spyhunting full steam ahead is so frustrating.

Patience DC. Patience.

Also, I need more on Savannah.


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I ain't sure yet. So I'm gonna give my opinion on the people out there who gettin suspicion or attention on them:

Rondak - There suspicions against the hombre but I no think evidence there. He need to say more y ask questions but he new, this game es overwhelmin, y he say he feelin lost. He smart y payin attention, pues I'm hopin he do good y amaze us all.

Zedekiah - Last round I say he need to step up y first thing he do is post a good summary of what he see y think. I like that. I also no think "HQ" thing a big deal or loggin off a spy thing. So I ain't got nothin on him cept I like his post. He know everyone in this group es watchin him y if he say somethin silly again o not contribute it will do him in.

Also found this for those thinkin bout the HQ thing. It was in the group chat thread.

Zedekiah, June 18:
[22:14] spies8hambone: can we post important stuff on the board or no
[22:14] spies8hambone: is that allowed
[22:14] spies8rondak: I was about to ask that, good sir.
[22:15] spies8zedekiah: of course, the board is our headquarters

Maybe that explain it, si?

Stephanie - I no able to decide if this chica es loca or a spy. I could see myself switchin my vote to her this round, she so up there. She smart but she sayin these crazy things, sayin she ain't gonna vote gainst nobody who agree with her, she suspectin Rondak just cause the hombre ask twice what "bussin" means, sayin Zedekiah fue cleared by Alexei but still havin him on her watch list. She no listenin what I try to tell her bout Alexei y later sayin she agree Alexei's actions suspicious. Y she no listen when I try to splain why you can't make up facts like "one spy bussed Alexei" y act on that like it real. Loca? O a spy?

Allan - I no think Allan vote on Owen es strange for two reasons: Allan ain't payin attention to the game so how he know Owen ain't receivin votes? Y Allan es the most emotional persona en the Republicans, so he gonna vote with his feelings. He first vote for me cause he feel I hidin y he change to Owen cause feel Owen no care bout who he suspectin. So I see where he comin from. Cept both spies y citizens can be emotional, si? He just like Zedekiah - he know everyone in this group now watchin him y if he vote silly o not contribute trouble gonna come his way.

Themba - She someone else I was seriously considerin votin for.

I'm ignorin her "if I was a spy would I have switched to Zedekiah knowin it would attract attention?" question because how I supposed to know? Some people like to take chances, play dangerous, si? Y if ella think that her switchin to Zedekiah could get the momentum needed to save Alexei then the change make sense. So like I say, I'm ignorin that defense.

What left? We all know when Alexei case go up, she post she votin Dane. Alexei case get attention, then she switch. Spies, they pretend to be interestin in votin other spies, si? So how serious was Themba bout votin Alexei?

When Themba see all the spy things Alexei doin - in her words "doesn't take much more than that for me. he made an odd comment about lynching dane regardless of alliance, then that he believed steph's evidence but had no evidence of his own. then we pressed him, and in the end he just went ok then." - she vote for him. How much of this was her own thought y how much of this just copyin? I check what she say in Zedekiah's thread.

"she never added to either Alexei's or Z's case" What a load of doo-doo. I discussed Alexei's thoughts and actions towards Dane in the group chat before and after he left.

She right on the first part, she do discuss Alexei before he leave:
Start here: [22:25] spies8alexei: steph? rondak? jenny? themba? what do you think honestly?

After Themba ask Alexei question, she immediately say she votin Alexei. So she look good here.After he leave? I no know much bout that.

I was the second person behind Dane to vote for his "exile a cit anyway" comment,

I no know bout this one, hard to find.

and I was the first to vote him for laying down like a good Spy should.

Themba was the one to make this a slogan, si. This also good. Seein all this, maybe I no wanna vote Themba anymore. She look more legit.

Jenny - Girl is catchin heat now for not pushin suspects or voicin much suspicion. Dane try to test her in chat this mornin:

[03:59] spies8dane: ok gorgeous
[03:59] spies8dane: i'd like you to do something for me real quick
[03:59] spies8dane: push someone you suspect beside zedekiah on me
[03:59] spies8dane: right now
[04:00] spies8dane: and try to convince me to vote said person
[04:00] spies8dane: i'll start you off
[04:00] spies8dane: gee gorgeous, i'm not really sure who to vote, they all sound so good and innocent
[04:01] spies8jenny: I was just talking about it with Owen actually, we were talking about how Stephi-kins is coming off fairly strange with her reasons for voting certain people. I'm hoping to get some more information from or about her, if not for tomorrow's exile then before the 3rd one.

That ain't much of a push. Jenny defend herself by sayin "I'm not one to push votes really. I just state what I think on something and let others use the information how they like." Yesterday she also tell me she best at lookin for citizens no spies y she havin problems adaptin to the group's demands of her. Except for Stephanie, her "suspects" now ain't really suspects - they people she no talk to much yet. It be round 2 y we all still gettin to know each other, so I kinda understand this, but in the future if Jenny no present good ideas on spies y showin she tryin to catch the spies, she gonna be in trouble y exiled. That's how this game works: at votin time, you gotta cast 1 vote for 1 suspect, not 10 votes for the 10 people you no think are spies.

Savannah - Is it just me or do everyone in the group suspect her?

[Nita]

I'm going to have to post. Exile is tonight. I'm having friends over and I can't track the vote. I need things to be clearcut when I return right before exile so I know who to vote for. I can't have a clusterfuck.


Strategy response reminder:

If it looks like the votes will be close, I'll aim for the tie.

If it looks like there's a definite secondary cluster of votes, I will vote there.

If it looks like a landslide is forming, I'll join it if the target is someone who I think is a Citizen. If it looks like the landslide is forming on a Spy, I will avoid it (to achieve another mission).

[Jenny]

" I haven't told her that once I win I am automatically removed from the game. If I told her that, I think my missions would be compromised. "

I think you did tell me this actually, or at least I got the impression anyways while you were talking to me about the "survive til exile 8/10/whatever it is" mission.

Good times though, good times.