Episode 1 ~ Conversations

[Themba]

There are a couple of people I have spoken to before the roles have been revealed, so it will be interesting to see whether there's any changes in any of them after they're laid out. The AIMs are at home on a separate computer, so I will reread, post and go through them later today.

[Themba]

~ CHANCE ~

Thursday, 17th June.
[13:53] spies8chance: hi themba. doc here.
[13:53] spies8themba: hiya chance
[13:53] spies8themba: i am the cop
[13:53] spies8themba: i am awaiting a report
[13:53] spies8themba: camilla is mafia.
[13:53] Meebo Message: Could not IM buddy
[13:53] spies8themba: [13:53] spies8gertrude: That Camilla is sided with the mafia!
[13:54] spies8chance: gasp.
[13:54] spies8themba: i know!
[13:54] spies8themba: so what do we do now?
[13:55] spies8chance: try and get her lynched, i guess.
[13:55] spies8chance: you can't come out with the report on camilla, because it's assumed the report was on you.
[13:55] spies8themba: ok
[13:55] spies8chance: i'll protect you tonight, obviously.
[13:55] spies8themba: yes that's what i thought
[13:56] spies8chance: that's our two mafia then!
[13:56] spies8chance: gg.
[13:56] spies8themba: awesome
[13:57] spies8chance: who's the other doc claim?
[13:57] spies8themba: jasmine
[13:57] spies8chance: okay.
[13:57] spies8chance: cam today, jas tomorrow.
[13:58] spies8themba: ok. i hope you are the real doctor!
[13:58] spies8chance: i am.
[13:59] spies8themba: ok cool
[14:05] spies8chance: jas today, right?

-=-

Thoughts:
- Claimed as fake Doc before real Doc realised what was going on
- No problem approaching, a more sophisticated Mafia move, obvious familiar with how these things work
- Smooth talker, one to watch
- A risk-taker, but not a calculated risk-taker. Unless he thought I was a complete douchebag, there was no way I was going to not check one of the claims. You would hope the Spies would give more forethought...

[Themba]

~ AWOHALI ~

Thursday 17th June
[13:19] Spies8Awohali: Osiyo, Themba, I am glad to meet you
[13:22] spies8themba: Hello Awohali! Nice to meet you too
[13:22] spies8themba: has sam chosen the teams yet? do you know?
[13:23] Spies8Awohali: He has not yet, which is unfortunate... I would like to know who my brothers and sisters will be this round
[13:23] spies8themba: me too. me too. and it looks like roles haven't been given out yet either.
[13:24] spies8themba: i have the flu atm, so i am somewhat impatient today
[13:24] Spies8Awohali: The Flu? I am very sorry to hear that! May the spirits be with you, my friend. This doesn't seem like it would be an easy game to play under the effects of the flu. What you need is some honey and hot tea
[13:25] spies8themba: Yes, my friend did actually bring me in some lemons to make honey and lemon tea, funny you should say that! And thank you for your kind words, I do appreciate them.
[13:25] spies8themba: What did you think of the opening chat?
[13:26] Spies8Awohali: Then you are on the right track to health once more! I actually missed the entire opening chat. I am there now, but I missed the actual events.
[13:26] spies8themba: I thought you may not have been there, I didn't see you post but there's so many names, and my current lack of mental faculties, meant I was unsure.
[13:27] spies8themba: It was interesting. There's already of course some very strong characters, and some very quiet ones. Which is to be expected I suppose.
[13:28] Spies8Awohali: Understandable; I hardly know a single person from anyone else at this point. I'm certain I will fall under the quieter side of things, but I'm interested to see who the loud ones are... Who did you notice as being particuarly loud before and after allignments? Any differenceS?
[13:30] spies8themba: I have left the group chat so I haven't seen any one after the alliances were announced. I don't know how many people are still in there, it was a bit too much for me to be honest. If however the louder ones during the official chat did change, that would be interesting. Very difficult to analyse yet, once we have our teams I think it may simplify things a little. If that makes sense.
[13:31] Spies8Awohali: They're merely playing a hat mafia game at the moment, which is certainly worth watching for their mafia styles, but not really much else. I do agree, I can not wait for teams to be announced at last.
[13:32] spies8themba: hmmm. i wonder if i should join, or do you think someone will post the chat afterwards?
[13:32] Spies8Awohali: I imagine someone will post it, although it will probably be a lot to go through.
[13:33] spies8themba: you raise a good point there too. i suppose i could always just join and watch. but i'd hate to be accused of lurking. it's a catch 22 i say!
[13:34] Spies8Awohali: A terrible situation! I'm extra fearful of lurking, as it might lead to my name being shortened to "AWOL"
[13:34] spies8themba: LMAO!
[13:34] spies8themba: that's funny
[13:34] spies8themba: you know i won't forget that now
[13:35] Spies8Awohali: It is a rather ironic nickname, but I do not want to earn it! I should have maybe perhaps kept my mouth shut, ha!
[13:35] spies8themba: haha i won't tell anyone... yet
[13:36] Spies8Awohali: You have my eternal gratitude there! But if I start to lurk, feel free, as I'll have then earned it
[13:36] spies8themba: haha i will pm you first
[13:37] Spies8Awohali: I would appreciate that even more! Of course you won't have to worry there, I definitely want to play very actively here.
[13:37] spies8themba: great. well hopefully we're on the same side in the split, and everything else too
[13:38] Spies8Awohali: Yes, that would be nice, rather it be Republican or Democrat. I'm not sure how the parties will work beyond just being teams
[13:39] spies8themba: no i have no idea either. i will lol if people get upset about being in a specific party though.
[13:39] spies8themba: as in take it too seriously.
[13:40] Spies8Awohali: That would be very funny, I might pretend to be a political pundit every now and then, based on the party I wind up in, and see if I can get on anybody's nerves that is taking it too seriously.
[13:41] spies8themba: a little bit of drama is a good thing i think, you never know when an upset spy could scumslip if they get emotional. i like it.
[13:42] Spies8Awohali: Right, it helps to see people a bit flustered every so often, after all.
[13:42] Spies8Awohali: Plus it is fun, there is always that.
[13:42] spies8themba: Haha so true.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Approached me first, not entirely sure why. Unsure of how many other's he's spoken to at this point. If I am one of the first he has spoken to via IM, why would that be?
- Initially said he would fall on the quieter side of things, then told me he wouldn't lurk.
- Did point out that me entering the game would allow me to look at some players' styles of Mafia and their strategy. Possibly a pro-town move. And roles were already given at this stage.

[Themba]

~ CORY ~

Thursday 17th June
[14:50] spies8cory: Hello Velma
[14:54] spies8themba: Hi Cory - it's Themba btw
[14:54] spies8themba: but how are you doing?
[14:55] spies8cory: I'm doing decently. And you?
[14:56] spies8themba: not bad, been better, been worse. i have the flu so i am a little light headed and vague
[14:57] spies8cory: Swine flu?
[14:58] spies8themba: hah i wish it was. apparently it's quite mild.
[14:58] spies8themba: despite it's reputation.
[14:59] spies8cory: I got it
[14:59] spies8cory: Felt like a cold.
[14:59] spies8cory: I was hoping for an epidemic
[14:59] spies8themba: haha an epidemic around you?
[15:00] spies8cory: When was the last time we had an earth shattering epidemic? Now talk about interesting. That's it right there.
[15:01] spies8themba: haha! you're funny. has sam announced the teams yet that you know of?
[15:01] spies8cory: Awolawahijimacallit and I were talking about that
[15:01] spies8cory: We couldn't find it posted anywhere
[15:01] spies8cory: So I guess not.
[15:02] spies8themba: le sigh. we may have to wait until tomorrow.
[15:02] spies8cory: Most likely. Judges tend to keep tight schedules.
[15:03] spies8themba: a poignant point.

-=-

Thoughts:
- One of the few people (only Jenny & Gertrude showing as online) Awohali has spoken to.
- Not much else given away. May just be because he's waiting for the 2 groups to be divided before commencing the scumhunt.

[Themba]

- JENNY -

Friday 18th June

spies8jenny is available 11:31 pm
spies8jenny 11:30 pm
Hi Themby! Sorry I haven't been able to talk so far today, I just came on quick to post some chat logs before I forgot and Sam ate me.

Hopefully we can talk more later, but for now, yay we're republicans together!
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spies8themba 11:42 pm
lol at themby
but the sides have been announced?
spies8themba 12:07 am
hello?
are you worried your spies have been announced?

-=-

Thoughts:
- Unsure of the point of actually contacting me - was it just to say she's glad we're on the same team?
- No response given. Distracted by SpyChats?
- Seems different to the pregame (before alliances were posted) version of herself.


Saturday 19th June
spies8jenny 9:54 am
Themby!
spies8themba 9:54 am
Jennyyyy :-)
spies8jenny 9:54 am
Good to see you!
spies8themba 9:54 am
no one is in the group chat?
spies8jenny 9:54 am
we got a lot of people there!
spies8themba 9:55 am
good to see you too! just caught up on my reading.
spies8jenny 9:55 am
That's why I'm trying to invite you!
spies8themba 9:55 am
hmmm... is it spies8republicans?
spies8jenny 9:55 am
ye
spies8themba 9:55 am
odd
i will try again
spies8jenny 9:55 am
Okies!
Savanny is on! Go say hi!
spies8themba 1:10 pm
lol will do

-=-

Thoughts:
- See above. Nothing discussed other than hello, good to see you, go talk to Savannah.
- Didn't discuss her thoughts on Zede until prompted by Steph on the group chat.
- Though pushed Zede about his actions, now seems very relaxed about it, nonchalant.


Sunday 20th June:
spies8jenny 10:08 am
Hi there!
spies8themba 10:09 am
heya :-)
spies8jenny 10:09 am
Come on in the room!

spies8themba 10:10 am
takes my computer a little while to load it all up. bit of a delay.
heading there now.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Yet another in detail convo. She seems to spend a lot of time posting the chat updates and confirming times of chats, but I am yet to see many opinions of her own.


Monday 20th June-
[15:26] spies8themba: heya
[15:27] spies8themba: did you get a message from zed a short while before the exile?
[15:27] spies8jenny: He asked me about Lexi a little bit, if that's what you mean.
[15:27] spies8themba: yes. i will show you what he sent me.
[15:27] spies8themba: [12:27] spies8zedekiah: Pardon me miss themba, fer the sake of it, as someone who ain't on the bandwagon o' Alexei, what are yer last thoughts 'bout his alignment?
[15:27] spies8jenny: Just remember the copy paste rule stuff.
[15:28] spies8jenny: Yeah, that's what I got too.
[15:28] spies8themba: that's allowed isn't it?
[15:28] spies8themba: shit
[15:28] spies8themba: and i bet savannah got the same.
[15:28] spies8jenny: Don't worry, the rule thing is only for huge walls of text.
[15:28] spies8themba: cool.
[15:28] spies8jenny: Anyways, I can ask Savanny when she comes on again, why?
[15:28] spies8themba: well, what if, he's thinking about possible imprisonment targets?
[15:29] spies8jenny: Possible, although I don't' see how it matters now with Lexi gone anyways.
[15:29] spies8themba: as to whether we're certain about voting him again maybe? i don't know. just a thought.
[15:29] spies8jenny: It's not a bad thought anyways.
[15:30] spies8jenny: Might want to bring it up later to the others if it worries you.
[15:30] spies8themba: Once I know if Sav got the same, I may post it and see what the others think.
[15:33] spies8themba: And Tina too, if you could ask her if I am not online, that'd be helpful.
[15:33] spies8jenny: Yeah, no problem.
[15:34] spies8themba: ty

-=-

Thoughts:
- Still so unsure about this chick. She's very smart, but very reserved.

[Themba]

- STEPHANIE -

Saturday 19th June

spies8stephanie 12:19 am
hey themba
spies8themba 12:20 am
hey hun - how are you?
spies8stephanie 12:20 am
good
it's friday anyway
spies8themba 12:21 am
just rereading the group chats atm. and yay for friday. fridays are good. saturday mornings are even better :-)
spies8stephanie 12:23 am
yea i'm still not sure what to make of zeke
jenny asked a pretty simple question and his answer was very confused
spies8themba 12:23 am
me neither. what i want to try and find is a piece of evidence that he's played the game before.
then we will be able to prove he was lying.
so i am scrolling the first group chat now.
spies8stephanie 1:13 am
so themba, did you find anything yet?
spies8themba 1:14 am
nope, nothing. if anything it appears he hasn't played before by the posts he made on the group chat. so i think i might leave that alone now.
for now, anyway.
spies8stephanie 1:15 am
it sure seemed like he was fibbing in there somewhere
we kept saying things like wait wait you just said x
and now you're saying y
spies8themba 1:16 am
definitely.
jenny was onto him so quickly.
like she was waiting for him.
spies8stephanie 1:16 am
i think she was
spies8themba 1:16 am
and he really didn't know what to say.
spies8stephanie 1:16 am
she seems pretty sharp
spies8themba 1:16 am
yes she does.
possible spy target for sure. and if she's not imprisoned, it'll be interesting. which reminds me, you know how sam said there's a doc... if the doc makes a save do you think we'll get told who it was?
spies8stephanie 1:19 am
interesting...so if there is no imprisonment we'll know the doc made a save, but will we know who the target was
spies8themba 1:19 am
i wonder if we will know or not. whether that might be unfair to the spies. i don't know.
spies8stephanie 1:20 am
and i've forgotten, do we know doc can't save himself?
spies8themba 1:20 am
yeah, sam said the doctor cannot save himself.
spies8themba 1:21 am
it will be interesting, considering there's 2 teams and only 1 doc.
spies8stephanie 1:21 am
it seems likely that the doc would save someone on his own team
just cause that's who he's going to know
tho maybe he might try fooling the spies and pick someone on the other team
spies8themba 1:22 am
yeah i'd think so too. fascinating. i would've loved that role. damn you Sam!
that could also be clever. risky, but clever. i like it.
spies8stephanie 1:24 am
i wonder how long we are going to be in teams
and whether some of us will change teams
spies8themba 1:25 am
i reckon it'll probably depend on who gets exiled - if we get a couple of spies, he'll probably shove us all in back together again. or maybe yeah, mix us up.
spies8stephanie 1:27 am
i haven't talked to allan or owen yet
i think i've just missed owen
have you seen allan at all?
spies8themba 1:27 am
no i haven't spoken to either of them. had a quick chat with gabe before. and i've spoken to jenny.
and i don't think i've spoken to anyone else since the game started from our group.
spies8stephanie 1:29 am
what do you make of gabe?
spies8stephanie 1:30 am
he was one of the ones pressing zeke pretty hard last night
spies8themba 1:30 am
well he's definitely changed his tune today then. he said to me
spies8gabriel 12:30 am
I'm keeping it in mind; I don't think it's a good reason to vote zeke right now.
so maybe he just jumped on the grilling bandwagon?
spies8stephanie 1:32 am
actually looking back over it
it doesn't look like he was questioning as much as i remembered
spies8themba 1:33 am
well that's a bit more consistent then i guess. savannah seemed pretty quiet in there too.
spies8stephanie 1:51 am
sry i got distracted with my reread
savannah started out questioning z, but then it looks like alex took over
and savvy got a little more quiet
tina and i were talking to each other and mostly watching the main chat
spies8stephanie 1:54 am
i've gotta go kill some bugs
later
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spies8themba 2:03 am
no worries. have fun!

-=-

Thoughts:
- Didn't really say much, but get a Citizen vibe.
- Keep an eye on her scum-hunting efforts. Or lack thereof.


Saturday 19th June
spies8stephanie 1:17 pm
hey themba
spies8themba 1:17 pm
hey hun. what's news?
spies8stephanie 1:18 pm
did you read the allan/nita chats?
spies8themba 1:18 pm
i brushed over it before, but i need to read it all again now. cause i was half asleep. so i might go and have another look i think.
spies8stephanie 1:19 pm
have you talked to dane much?
spies8themba 1:19 pm
haven't had the pleasure of speaking to him at all yet.
spies8stephanie 1:20 pm
i've only had 1 very brief chat with him
i struck me as odd that he was inquiring about cory and dems
when he's hardly been here
spies8themba 1:22 pm
this is dane? inquiring about cory and dems... who is dems? lol.
spies8stephanie 1:22 pm
democrats
yea
in the allan/nita chats
spies8themba 1:24 pm
hmmm. i need to read it again. savannah's giving me a grilling about my comments about her participation in the group chat, so i'll have another look when she's done :-)
spies8themba 1:41 pm
[16:10] spies8allan: umm i don't know really haha.... that was my polite way of saying i've given in no thought
do you think that's odd?
16:08] spies8nita: What you think?
[16:09] spies8allan: not quite sure... i think i need to talk to a couple of these guys myself
[16:09] spies8nita: Bout what? What sticks out at you?
[16:10] spies8allan: umm i don't know really haha.... that was my polite way of saying i've given in no thought
better to post a bit more of it :-P
spies8stephanie 1:47 pm
not sure that's so odd
allan hasn't been around enough to know that z is up
spies8themba 1:47 pm
i might have to ask him i think
spies8stephanie 1:48 pm
certainly
spies8themba 1:50 pm
hmmm... why would dane be asking about that? i read somewhere ( i think in the democrats chat ) that nina and awohali said something about chances of all the spies being on the same side to begin with...
this was after the alliances were announced, but before we were banished from talking to the other half.
spies8stephanie 1:51 pm
i read it in the allan/nita thread
so it was from this afternoon
that dane was talking about the dems
spies8themba 1:52 pm
right. and cory mentioned the nita/awo discussion yesterday i think. still don't see why it affects dane.
spies8stephanie 1:53 pm
yea dane has hardly been here
i'm just wondering why he's asking about the dems
spies8themba 1:53 pm
me too
he's happy to lynch me for a shitty reason, yet he's done nothing himself. except get drunk. i bet he doesn't even drink irl.
spies8stephanie 1:54 pm
are you talking to jenny?
spies8themba 1:55 pm
nah. just you and savannah. jenny came on before to order me to talk to savannah, but apart from that i haven't really spoken to her today.
i will brb.
spies8stephanie 1:55 pm
k
spies8themba 2:01 pm
back
what's jenny up to?
spies8stephanie 2:01 pm
idk
she always says hello and then not much else
spies8themba 2:01 pm
haha you haven't spoken to her?
she must be doing something - she obv. knows a fair bit about the game, so it'll be interesting to see her thoughts.
spies8stephanie 2:02 pm
yea i told her my suspicions about dane, but she didn't respond
savvy says she's talking to her
spies8themba 2:02 pm
i told her my thoughts on zede, and she couldn't have cared less. and that was after she led the grilling on him.
spies8stephanie 2:02 pm
rly?
spies8themba 2:02 pm
maybe they're discussing me.
spies8stephanie 2:03 pm
when did you talk to her about z?
spies8themba 2:03 pm
yeah i sent her a pm, and she was pretty flippant about it.
yesterday - when i spoke to you about it i sent her a pm around the same time.
spies8stephanie 2:04 pm
yea it's strange, i had a real conversation with her before we actually started
and since then she's invited me to chats and said hello
spies8stephanie 2:05 pm
but not much else
spies8themba 2:05 pm
me too. i even put in my convos' log something like 'what happened to the personality?'
interesting you feel the same way.
spies8stephanie 2:08 pm
she's the one that started the whole zeke thing
spies8themba 2:08 pm
yes
she is
spies8stephanie 2:09 pm
but i'm not sure she really said much after asking her initial question
spies8themba 2:09 pm
no idea where her thoughts lie now
spies8stephanie 2:09 pm
alex sort of took over
spies8themba 2:09 pm
are you rereading it?
spies8stephanie 2:09 pm
not again
spies8themba 2:09 pm
lol
lemme have a look
spies8stephanie 2:10 pm
oh heck let's just ask her where her thoughts lie now
spies8themba 2:11 pm
sounds like a plan!
spies8stephanie 2:32 pm
is my argument not that convincing?
jen & sav sure don't seem to be getting it
spies8themba 2:32 pm
lol which one?
about dane?
spies8stephanie 2:32 pm
that dane is scum
spies8themba 2:33 pm
they seem to not really be paying much attention to the idea.
spies8stephanie 2:51 pm
do you find this suspicious?
spies8themba 2:52 pm
i find jenny a little suspicious yes. savannah idk yet. she approached me about my thoughts on her, so i am not sure on her. but jenny's character seems to be changing.
spies8stephanie 2:52 pm
she was quiet forever
and then i asked and she piped up
spies8themba 2:53 pm
yes.
it does seem odd.
miss bubbly = not so much anymore.
spies8stephanie 2:55 pm
i keep finding everything suspicious
maybe i'm just a little too paranoid
spies8themba 2:55 pm
it's pretty normal i think to be really suspicious, especially at the start when you're trying to find ANYTHING that could help find a spy.
spies8stephanie is offline

-=-

Thoughts:
- More scumhunting today
- The more I talk to her, the more I like her and could possibly trust her
- Raised some good points and some things which I myself had thought about and agree with
- More prone to suggesting ideas, rather than sheeping them.


Sunday 20th June-
spies8stephanie 1:09 pm
hey themba
spies8themba 1:10 pm
hey hun! you missed a bit whilst you were gone.
not too much, but imo alexei pretty much rolled over and died in the end.
spies8stephanie 1:10 pm
rly what happened?
spies8themba 1:11 pm
well, basically we quizzed him about jumping on your thoughts about dane being scum, and he couldn't really answer and when he did, it took forever. imo he was just banding with your ideas but didn't really know what those ideas were.
spies8themba 1:11 pm
then he said this to tina:
spies8tina (5:52:40 PM):Can you summarize that case for me?spies8alexei (5:52:52 PM):it's what steph told me
spies8stephanie 1:11 pm
ack well that's pretty lame
spies8themba 1:11 pm
and then of course there was the whole 'i'd rather vote you out because you're an asshole dane, even if you are a cit' comment.
so, that's my main reasonings.
as much as i am still on dane as a possible spy, i think there's more evidence this round on alexei.
have a look at how he left the chat too. owen and i were pissing ourselves on im's.
spies8stephanie 1:18 pm
i think alex is an eager beaver
who is jumping on any shiny thing
he jumped on the zeke thing
and the he jumped on the dane thing
spies8themba 1:18 pm
yes
spies8stephanie 1:18 pm
he's just an eager beaver parrot
spies8themba 1:19 pm
lmao
spies8stephanie 1:19 pm
and i understand that spies would go for an easy lynch
spies8themba 1:19 pm
as in he's an easy lynch?
spies8stephanie 1:19 pm
but i don't think that's what alex is doing
spies8themba 1:19 pm
you think he's just hopping to save himself?
spies8stephanie 1:19 pm
no as in he's looking for an easy lynch
spies8themba 1:19 pm
ahhh gotcha.
spies8stephanie 1:20 pm
but i think dane was looking for an easy lynch with you
spies8stephanie 1:20 pm
didn't even bother to talk to you
spies8themba 1:20 pm
i agree with you there completely. he also changed his 'character' today too - less drunk, more onto scumhunting.
and i think it's concerning that everyone apart from you and i think he's an 'angry cit'. as in literally the rest of the group as far as i know.
spies8stephanie 1:28 pm
yeah i think even hambone just thinks dane is an ass
not necessarily a spy
i guess dane's actions are so far away from mine that i just don't get how he could be a cit
spies8themba 1:35 pm
haha i think that's gonna be his mo throughout the game. but you're right to build a case as you see fit. that's what everyone should be doing. not just hopping onto someone else's. which is why i really want to hear from people like rondak.
spies8stephanie 1:37 pm
yea rondak was defending dane to me with what i thought were really not so good arguments
spies8stephanie 1:38 pm
9:22:40 PM) spies8rondak: It couldn't be because he was reading it for the merge?
(9:23:14 PM) spies8stephanie: yea if it were jenny, or tina, or nita who were up to date with our team
(9:23:52 PM) spies8rondak: That still doesn't prove he is a spy. He could be a unaware citizen.
spies8themba 1:38 pm
i think they have spoken a bit more than anyone else has spoken with dane in pm's. and i'd like to know why. and why we haven't spoken. and who he suspects. and why. whywhywhywhy? :-P
spies8stephanie 1:38 pm
i don't think we're going to "prove" spy
but why can't you admit that it seems suspicious?
spies8themba 1:39 pm
nah. though i reckon alexei came pretty damn close to admitting it before when he said LOL about the spies joining him in deathland.
why can't i admit it seems suspicious?
oh you mean rondak?
i really need to talk to him.
spies8stephanie 1:40 pm
yeah rondak
i've just got it in my head that dane is a spy
spies8themba 1:41 pm
i know you do. and you could very well be right.
spies8stephanie 1:41 pm
and so i'm looking at the people who are pushing the alternative lynch
particularly jen and savvy
spies8themba 1:42 pm
that makes sense. but you don't need to look at me. you can, but you don't need to.
who is savvy after anyway? i don't even know.
spies8stephanie 1:42 pm
i don't know i think she is a jen follower
she;ll vote whoever jen tells her to
spies8themba 1:44 pm
that's kinda how i was thinking too. they must talk a lot. jen must be talking to someone. cause it ain't me, it ain't you, and owen said the same.
spies8stephanie 1:44 pm
i don't know about tina and nita
spies8stephanie 1:45 pm
i understand that alex looks suspicious
spies8stephanie 1:47 pm
but i think dane is a spy and so when alex says he's voting dane
spies8themba 1:47 pm
they seem to work in pairs too maybe? i don't know. first chat i've had with tina was today.
spies8stephanie 1:47 pm
i think that makes him not a spy
i like tina
spies8themba 1:47 pm
or he's hoping the others will change to dane.
yeah tina seems nice.
spies8stephanie 1:47 pm
nita i'm not so sure of
spies8themba 1:47 pm
nita got really aggro when allan voted her.
though i guess i can't really talk!
spies8stephanie 1:48 pm
i did talk to allan this mornign
i liked him
he seemed smart and reasonable
spies8themba 1:48 pm
yeah i haven't spoken to him yet either.
does he? that's good. i keep seeing the same people all the time.
spies8stephanie 1:50 pm
yea it seems like i've talked to you quite a bit and so am surprised when other people say they haven't
spies8themba 1:51 pm
i know. i have been around a lot, but others are either not online, or just don't chat, or i don't know.
spies8stephanie 1:52 pm
have you talked to owen at all?
spies8themba 1:52 pm
haha yeah
i like him
spies8stephanie 1:52 pm
he was on my list of need-to-talk-tos
and i have talked with him
spies8themba 1:52 pm
yeah he's good fun. he's very smart methinks.
spies8stephanie 1:52 pm
but felt unsatisfied somehow
spies8themba 1:53 pm
he's a bit of a closed book.
spies8stephanie 1:53 pm
ok that's good to know
maybe i just need to keep at it
spies8themba 1:53 pm
i think so. he said to me he's worried lots of people in this group are reserved and no fun, which you're not one of those people, so a joke with him is a good idea.
that's how we got talking.
spies8stephanie 1:54 pm
not reserved i guess
i really let dane get my blood pressure up earler
spies8themba 1:55 pm
haha well he needed a good grilling. i actually think he enjoyed it :-)
spies8stephanie 1:55 pm
unfortunately
spies8themba 1:56 pm
lol.
and dane is still around, but offline on chats. left chats like an hour and a half ago. but he's just posted in the burg.
spies8stephanie 1:57 pm
ahh i see
does his post make any sense to you?
spies8stephanie 1:59 pm
are you talking to jen?
spies8themba 2:00 pm
no sorry went downstairs for a minute.
spies8stephanie 2:01 pm
oh ok
np i am talking to jen, but she is not responding
just wondering
spies8themba 2:01 pm
his post doesn't make any sense no. and i don't see why he keeps commenting on it. but he's fighting i suppose. i would've though alexei would have fought a little harder.
spies8themba 2:01 pm
lol nah i don't really feel like talking to jenny atm. she's a bit too nice.
do you remember the part in the group chat where someone (was either gabe or zed) said they didn't hear their IM's go off cause they had their sound turned off?
spies8stephanie 2:02 pm
no
spies8themba 2:03 pm
hmmm. may have to reread. cause if it was zed, i don't even know how to do that. but i do know how to log off. could be nothing. just thinking.
spies8stephanie 2:05 pm
yea my computer flashes in private chats when someone talks
but not in chat rooms
and i have the sound turned off entirely
spies8themba 2:06 pm
so it's probably nothing. i will just continue to keep an eye on him. and i think it may have been gabe who said it anyway.
spies8stephanie 2:06 pm
makes sense
and yea zeke is definitely still on my radar
spies8themba 2:06 pm
me too. if we let him slip by i'll be kicking myself.
spies8stephanie 2:08 pm
jenny must be doing something else
i keep talkign
and she answers very slowly if at all
maybe she's playing some of zeke's video games
spies8themba 2:09 pm
lmfao!
i like that one!
spies8stephanie 2:44 pm
so jen really did talk to me and seems fairly reasonable
she says she's still voting for zeke
i obviously am not making my case for dane well enough
it seems obvious to me
spies8stephanie is offline 2:46 pm
IMs are delivered when the buddy signs in. Send spies8stephanie a text message
spies8themba 2:53 pm
well i am glad you had a chat with jenny. she seems smart from what i can see, just want to see a bit more of her in depth. that will come with time i suppose. keep at your case on dane, people will follow when they think it's sufficient in their minds, and some people will not regardless. kind of the way the game works i think.
anyway, am off too, so i will see you later.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Cit points for pushing her case on Dane despite my change to Alexei. She may still be right.
- Hopefully not tunnel-visioning too much.


Monday 20th June-
[14:57] spies8stephanie: hi themba
[14:59] spies8themba: oh hi there! interesting result hey?
[14:59] spies8stephanie: a wonderful result
[15:00] spies8themba: it is - but also interesting too. i cannot wait to see who gets imprisoned and where the group heads next.
[15:00] spies8stephanie: i've been trying to catch up
[15:00] spies8stephanie: still trying to make sense of the HQ slip
[15:00] spies8themba: well, to cut a long story short, zed said some more odd/silly things in the group chat page, and nina and i changed votes to him off of alexei.
[15:00] spies8themba: yeah we're all wondering about that.
[15:01] spies8themba: it was seriously a 55/45 for me. as i was saying to owen. he was thinking the same as me. do i change? don't i change? is it too much of a b/w on alexei? or are they right? etc etc. did my head in.
[15:02] spies8stephanie: it was strange as i was reading the chat logs
[15:02] spies8stephanie: first i saw that alex was voting me
[15:02] spies8themba: i know what was with that?
[15:02] spies8stephanie: and thought well hell i wasn't voting him cause he agreed with me
[15:03] spies8stephanie: maybe i would have changed to alex
[15:03] spies8stephanie: then i got down to the HQ remark and thought i should have changed to zeke
[15:03] spies8themba: it was an odd change - and then he didn't even bother completing his player profile.
[15:03] spies8stephanie: but i didn't get back till 10:10
[15:03] spies8themba: i was ... that close to changing back, but i didn't.
[15:03] spies8stephanie: so it was all water under the bridge
[15:04] spies8themba: yeah.
[15:05] spies8stephanie: so i don't know what to think now
[15:05] spies8themba: should be interesting to see who they exile.
[15:05] spies8themba: that's for sure.
[15:05] spies8stephanie: i don't understand why a spy-zeke wouldn't vote for alwx
[15:05] spies8stephanie: alex
[15:06] spies8themba: don't know. if he's new as he claims to be, then who knows. don't know how much strategy he would input into his game.
[15:06] spies8themba: who did zed end up voting for anyway?
[15:06] spies8stephanie: allan
[15:06] spies8themba: aha.
[15:07] spies8themba: he came to me, about half an hour before the start time for the exile, and asked me something about why i wasn't on the alexei bandwagon anymore.
[15:07] spies8themba: i don't know if i still have it, as i am on meebo
[15:07] spies8themba: lemme see
[15:08] spies8themba: [12:27] spies8zedekiah: Pardon me miss themba, fer the sake of it, as someone who ain't on the bandwagon o' Alexei, what are yer last thoughts 'bout his alignment?
[12:31] spies8themba: i think he may well be a spy, but i am unsure. i think you are both possible spies, and it's a 50/50 at the moment as to who i vote for. i vote who i see has the strongest case against them. and now i feel that is you.
[15:08] spies8themba: which struck me as odd.
[15:09] spies8stephanie: yea i wonder why he was asking?
[15:09] spies8themba: maybe to start a case against the people who voted him? i do not understand anything he does tbh.
[15:10] spies8stephanie: lol who does?
[15:10] spies8stephanie: but you're right maybe i shouldn't even try to be understanding him
[15:10] spies8themba: too true.
[15:10] spies8themba: i just don't know what to do with him.
[15:12] spies8stephanie: it's different reading the chat logs than being there in person, but it looks like zeke didn't even know he made a slip when he said HQ
[15:13] spies8stephanie: but i don't know where a noob cit would get that expression from
[15:13] spies8stephanie: and he looks like a noob
[15:17] spies8themba: That's what Owen and I were thinking too. Owen just brought up the idea that he may have asked it to see which Cits may be worth imprisoning.
[15:31] spies8themba: Jenny got the exact same message. And if Sav did too, that's just odd.

[15:31] spies8stephanie: that is odd
[15:31] spies8themba: If she did, I might put it in the group for a discussion. see what happens.
[15:32] spies8stephanie: i don't understand how knowing your opinion of alex would help with the imprisonment choices tho
[15:33] spies8themba: Me neither hun. Me neither.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Why did Alexei vote her? If he is new did he try and make her look un-Spy by voting her?

[Themba]

- GABRIEL -

Saturday 20th June

spies8gabriel 12:27 am
hey!!
spies8themba 12:29 am
hello gabriel! how are you?
spies8gabriel 12:29 am
fine! what do you think so far???
spies8themba 12:30 am
curious. jenny's grilling of zede is giving me something to read atm which is good. it was a bit odd, but i don't know if it's necessarily scummy.
what do you think?
spies8gabriel 12:30 am
I'm keeping it in mind; I don't think it's a good reason to vote zeke right now.
spies8themba 12:30 am
no, i'd agree with you there. maybe he's never played before? who knows.
spies8gabriel is available 2:08 am
spies8gabriel 2:31 am
so like
I have a few suspicions already but I'm checking them out right now
spies8themba 2:32 am
as in talking to people? or just reading logs?
spies8gabriel 2:32 am
talking and reading logs; if I think I really am onto something im going to post it later!!
spies8themba 2:33 am
cool. i have only spoken to yourself and stephanie today, so i don't really have too much to go on myself. but i think that's a good way to at least start discussions.
spies8gabriel 2:34 am
yeah; I'm looking at savannah right now she said something that really struck me as off but I cant for the life of me figure out what
spies8themba 2:35 am
she did seem to take a bit of a backseat when zede was being questioned. maybe she just didn't want to get involved though. but then in the pregame chats she was very fiery and outspoken. i guess i am just looking for character inconsistencies atm.
spies8gabriel 2:37 am
yeah but there was something in specific...
spies8themba 2:38 am
from the group chat or a one on one?
spies8gabriel 2:38 am
group I think; could have been one on one but that was mainly character discussion

(07:15:03 PM) spies8savannah: because how can you feel comfortable with someone that you dont even know anything about
(07:15:16 PM) spies8savannah: again im not trying to "support" the idea of lynching a lurker
(07:15:25 PM) spies8savannah: id rather not lol, but im just trying to be open minded
spies8themba 2:39 am
hmmm. well if you reread it you might find it.
spies8gabriel 2:39 am
this was it
spies8themba 2:40 am
yeah actually, the first one i looked at and thought it was odd too, now that you mention it.
'feel comfortable' - odd choice of words
spies8gabriel 2:43 am
yeahhh
spies8themba 2:45 am
nice pick up. i've got to run now, but i'll be back in about 6 hours or so if you're around then.
spies8gabriel 2:45 am
okayy!
spies8themba 2:45 am
if not, i'll see you when i see you!
bye!
spies8gabriel 2:45 am
bye!

-=-

Thoughts:
- Became more about scumhunting later on, though there was a couple of hours between posts.
- Raised a good point about Savannah. It was an odd comment.
- Seems intelligent enough.


Saturday, 19th June.
spies8gabriel 10:12 am
on a note i like your answers
spies8themba 10:12 am
thanks :-) it's the truth.
still reading the rest of the chat from yesterday. any one fos'ing me because i brought up the no exile discussion is just silly. nothing wrong with discussing an option i think. doesn't make me scummy.
spies8gabriel 10:13 am
I wouldn't consider it a reason for exile
i have an issue with a few of your pros though
spies8themba 10:14 am
good to know. go for it.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Seems to jump from vote target to vote target very quickly. Then changes his mind with the same reason of 'I don't think it's enough to vote for them right now'. Has discussed voting myself, Zede and Sav in less than 24 hours.
- Points for asking me to elaborate and then sending me a PM advising he liked my answers.
- Need to watch and make sure he doesn't attempt a sneaky Themba lynch.


Sunday 20th June-
spies8gabriel 10:25 am
hey themba!!
spies8themba 10:25 am
hey hun. sorry the connection is slow today and i am busy yelling at dane and reading the chat transcripts. what's news?
spies8gabriel 10:26 am
oh nothing
my suspicions of savannah are still there and alexei had a case dropped on him
spies8themba 10:27 am
yeah i am intrigued to read that. will be doing so after completing my daily dane whipping

-=-

Thoughts:
- He reminds me of Jason/Pete from Spies6.

[Themba]

- SAVANNAH -

Saturday, 19th June.
spies8savannah 1:08 pm
thembyyyy
spies8themba 1:09 pm
hey hun! how are ya?
spies8savannah 1:09 pm
im doing greattt how about you girl
spies8themba 1:09 pm
yeah not too bad. spent a couple of hours catching up on updates in the burg this morning, just had some food, and was hoping to see some more of the people i haven't really spoken to yet. mission accomplished!
spies8savannah 1:10 pm
yay!!
i was looking for you before but we kept missing ach other
spies8themba 1:10 pm
i know jenny said the same. apparently i logged on about half an hour after you logged off. so this is good.
spies8savannah 1:11 pm
LOL well at least your hear now!
what have you been thinking of the game
spies8themba 1:12 pm
slow thoughts atm. makes it hard when you haven't been in a good group chat grilling yet, and also i haven't spoken one on one with some of our group. but i am enjoying it so far - doesn't seem to be too much negativity floating around just yet.
what about you? how are you finding it?
spies8savannah 1:12 pm
i am enjoying it!
im glad everyone seems to be really nice
no sour patches in the mix
spies8themba 1:13 pm
not yet anyway - give it time!
plus we don't have margey or whatever her name is in our group! :-P
spies8savannah 1:14 pm
OMG thankfully
or that scary mary!!
spies8themba 1:14 pm
hahaha
spies8savannah 1:14 pm
she makes me nervous
spies8themba 1:14 pm
she's a funny one for sure.
i have been reading the democrat's side too, margey seems to have quietened down a little. maybe she took a step back after the group intro chat.
spies8savannah 1:15 pm
she did! ive been checking up too but im more concerned with our side for obvious reasons
spies8themba 1:16 pm
haha but of course. i am just awaiting dane's return. can't wait to have a chat with him.
should be v. interesting.
spies8savannah 1:16 pm
ugh
he is very
annoying
-_-
spies8themba 1:16 pm
haha i was gonna go with dumb but annoying works.
it will be interesting to see what he replies to my post.
spies8savannah 1:17 pm
who knows, probably that he was drunk or something LOL
spies8themba 1:17 pm
he's like 'my scumhunt's done, it's themba cause she discussed pros and cons of no vote exiling'.
lol he probably doesn't even drink irl.
spies8savannah 1:18 pm
lol probably night
oh also i had a fewww questions for you themby
not**
hehe
instead of night
spies8themba 1:18 pm
yeah go for it!
spies8savannah 1:19 pm
well gabe said you prodded along his suspicion of me?
or something
spies8savannah 1:20 pm
like you were unsure of when i said something, and also something about character inconsistensy i was wondering if you could explain
spies8themba 1:21 pm
yeah i just said to him that in the group chats in the intro, you seemed to defend people when they were getting picked on, and you didn't defend zede when he was getting buzzed about him aim efforts, or lack thereof. it was just a observation, trying to contribute something to the conversation. i don't think it's necessarily a character inconsistency based off of 2 convos. but i'll always watch for changes in character / behaviour.
spies8savannah 1:22 pm
oh okay!
was just wondering since we hadnt really talked. but i thought i was active in the chat last night
:\
spies8themba 1:23 pm
ahhh ok i get it. but i am not alluding that you're a spy or anything like that, if that's a worry for you. definitely more interested in other people right now :-)
spies8savannah 1:23 pm
okay, just clearing all loose ends!
since you mentioned it, what is your stance on the zed thing
spies8themba 1:25 pm
clearing loose ends is good. i like to do the same. my stance is kinda convoluted on him, i have a few thoughts running around in my head. for example, why was it so hard for him to say what he was doing? why was he not online straight after to start chatting? why would he prefer to play wii than start scumhunting and meeting his team? how can he play wii and other presumably reasonably complex computer games for however long and not know how aim works?
and if he is a spy and just couldn't answer appropriately when put on the spot, is he going to get past with the assumption 'he's too dumb to be a spy' which has been used several times in several past seasons.
spies8savannah 1:27 pm
okay cool. i have pretty much the same stance on him (as most people do I think) I mean NOT knowing how to sign off AIM? lmao its kind of ridiculous really...
spies8themba 1:27 pm
and if he is a citizen, what has he actually contributed in terms of his own thoughts about who's a spy and who is not. all i have seen him today ask is who other people are thinking of voting.
spies8savannah 1:27 pm
i dont like to assume anything lol.
spies8themba 1:27 pm
so do you err on the side of silly cit or lazy spy?
me neither, assumptions are never good.
spies8savannah 1:28 pm
im kind of caught between! i mean really it could be either one, however his gaming knowledge makes me kind of weary that he didnt know how to sign off
spies8themba 1:28 pm
that's what i thought. a lot of those games are really complex.
aim = not so complex.
spies8savannah 1:28 pm
do you think its odd that gabe has pretty much cleared zed from his suspects
spies8themba 1:29 pm
he said to me it's 'not something he's prepared to exile him for right now'.
which is pretty much what he said about me and my discussion of no exile voting.
spies8savannah 1:29 pm
i thought it was weird he would suggest me as a suspect
than you
over him
considering the most evidence that we have points to zed
and also ive never seen someone flop suspects that quickly really :\
spies8themba 1:30 pm
i think it's almost like he's probing, maybe reaction testing.
you could be right. you could be right.
spies8savannah 1:30 pm
well im keeping my eyes out
spies8themba 1:30 pm
he is an interesting one. smart. one to watch.
lol
i need to reread this chat between nita and allan again.
spies8savannah 1:31 pm
okay
nita seemed to be upset by it
spies8themba 1:31 pm
yeah she did. maybe a little too much? overkill? i dunno till i've had a proper look. i am 50/50 on her atm.
spies8savannah 1:33 pm
i get a good feel from her
but who knows.
spies8themba 1:33 pm
that's exactly right.
spies8savannah 1:35 pm
do you have any other suspicions at the moment?
spies8themba 1:36 pm
dane.
if you read my response to him in the voting thread.
spies8savannah 1:36 pm
yeah i did
spies8themba 1:37 pm
anyone who's happy to sit back and try and lynch like that is not a citizen, or at least a good citizen.
i think his attitude is shoddy at best.
so i am trying to read the chatlogs where he's been involved, and then i will await a chance to speak with him directly here.
spies8savannah 1:38 pm
i dont like that he always types like hes drunk
and he only talks about being drunk lol
spies8themba 1:38 pm
haha it is a bit lame, yes.
spies8savannah 1:44 pm
lol. very. -_-
spies8themba 1:44 pm
16:08] spies8nita: What you think?
[16:09] spies8allan: not quite sure... i think i need to talk to a couple of these guys myself
[16:09] spies8nita: Bout what? What sticks out at you?
[16:10] spies8allan: umm i don't know really haha.... that was my polite way of saying i've given in no thought
odd
spies8savannah 1:45 pm
uh what
spies8themba 1:45 pm
my thoughts too.
spies8savannah 1:47 pm
hm need some conformation theree
spies8themba 1:47 pm
i might have to ask him
spies8savannah 1:47 pm
probably should

spies8themba 1:47 pm
yep
spies8savannah 1:48 pm
maybe hell be on tonightt
spies8themba 1:49 pm
meh i'll just ask him in the thread - out in the open :-)
spies8savannah 1:49 pm
go for ittt

-=-

Thoughts:
- Eager to clear up my thoughts on her.
- Believe she's smarter than appearing, maybe downplaying her intelligence... Has a possible role?
- Spent a lot of time today online but not talking to myself or Stephanie - talking to Jenny?
- One to watch.

[Themba]

- OWEN -

Saturday, 19th June.
spies8themba 10:35 am
howdy owen :-) what's news?
spies8owen 10:37 am
Hey there Themba. Just chatting with Gabe about Savannah.
How about you?
spies8themba 10:37 am
meeting Hambone for the first time :-) he's half asleep waiting to go to bed and i'm half asleep as i just woke up :-P
trying to get my head around the discussions i've missed out on too.
spies8owen 10:39 am
Likewise. I missed out on more than I would have liked to yesterday with the AIM issues.
spies8themba 10:40 am
yeah seems like convo's are starting to get less about favourite foods and more about scumhunting.
spies8owen 10:41 am
Hahaha, I always enjoy that part of the game. But with 2 days until we lynch, time to get a move on w/ the scumhunting.
spies8themba 10:41 am
agreed. so do you have anyone in mind yet?
spies8owen 10:41 am
Alexei stood out to me the most from the Zed chat.
But Gabriel did make some interesting points about Savannah.
Zed... I really don't know. I got a town lean based off of that. It just seemed way too sloppy to be Mafia. I think scum would have had an entire alibi ready for what they were doing the previous night with no holes in it.
How about you?
spies8themba 10:43 am
haha i have seen some very sloppy spy work - especially in the first episode.
spies8owen 10:43 am
*cough* Perry *cough*
spies8themba 10:43 am
he makes the least sense to me atm.
lmfao
exactly.
spies8owen 10:44 am
I did think of Perry when I read all of this, unfortunately.
That chat will definitley play a big part in the first lynch. At least I'd think so.
spies8themba 10:44 am
i dunno. i need to speak to alexei more i think. but atm i'd say zeke is the most inconsistent... and like i said, i have seen it be just bad spy work befofe.
* before. and yeah i agree.
spies8owen 10:45 am
The things that stood out to be about Alexei aren't solid scumtells, but it just didn't sit right with me reading it.
to me*
spies8themba 10:45 am
this is when he was pushing zede?
spies8owen 10:46 am
Putting the attention on Gabe, asking for his opinion on Zed after he gave a "meh" answer. I'm all up for people asking for others opinions, but give a conclusive answer before jumping onto the next person.
Yeah, it was.
He told Jenny later during it that he was pretty sure Zed was scum.
But in the chat said that he believed his story, but that he was sketchy.
I'd like to talk to him first before jumping to conclusions like that though.
spies8themba 10:47 am
yeah me too. it'd be interesting to hear his side of the story.
i can't wait to see chance myself. what a load of rubbish.
or maybe i want to see dane. he's the drunk one isn't he? i still get the names confused. i know the pics, but forget the names. just like irl.
spies8owen 10:50 am
Yeah -- I think Chance is a drunk too, but he's on the democrats.
Dane is the one you'd be looking for.
spies8themba 10:51 am
lmao
spies8owen 10:51 am
The one that threw a tenative vote at you making a thread.
spies8themba 10:51 am
yeah that one. not cool.
spies8owen 10:52 am
Oh lord, if it's between you and Zed for the lynch (doubtful) this would be Perry/Marcus all over again.
Marcus was the first to suggest No Exile.
spies8themba 10:53 am
god i hope it doesn't come to that. i still fail to see how it makes me a spy. there was nothing to read as i was making the thread the same time jenny posted the first group chat, and i wanted to get some discussion started. how that makes me scummy is beyond me.
spies8owen 10:55 am
It was just a discussionary thread -- don't think it's grounds to vote someone at all.
But he could just be trying to gague a reaction.
spies8themba 10:56 am
ahh the old reaction test. forgot about those. silly me.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Like him, seems intelligent.
- Obviously played before.
- Unsure of alliance, 60/40 village/spy.


Sunday 20th June-
spies8owen 12:28 pm
Hahaha, you and I are going in the same direction with this.
He said earlier in the chat that Steph had great points about Dane
I wanna see if he knows what points he's even talking about.
spies8themba 12:29 pm
yep. my thoughts exactly.
spies8owen 12:29 pm
And it doesn't seem like he does.
*silence*
spies8themba 12:29 pm
lol maybe he's thinking...
of something...
and failing :-P
spies8owen 12:30 pm
Yep. I'm pretty sure he's scum.
spies8themba 12:30 pm
likewise
spies8owen 12:30 pm
Because I've played this way as scum. I've got caught this way.
spies8themba 12:30 pm
haha really?
spies8owen 12:30 pm
Yep.
spies8themba 12:30 pm
awe!
spies8owen 12:30 pm
For some of the same things -- fence-riding but pushing people at the same time.
spies8themba 12:31 pm
oooh we got an update!
it's detailed!
spies8owen 12:31 pm
HE RESPONDED?
spies8themba 12:31 pm
kinda!
spies8owen 12:31 pm
lmfao!
spies8themba 12:31 pm
hehehe
spies8owen 12:36 pm
Not as bad as I thought.
Just took a few more minutes than I would have preferred.
spies8themba 12:36 pm
LOL.
spies8owen 12:40 pm
He's so gracious.
Not swaying me, sorry.

spies8themba 12:40 pm
Nah it doesn't do much for me either.
spies8owen 12:40 pm
If I was fighting for my spot in the game I'd be a bit more aggressive.
spies8themba 12:40 pm
Oh hell yeah. ALA Dane and I.
spies8owen 12:41 pm
Dane seems like overaggressive town to me.
spies8themba 12:41 pm
Possibly. I am a little concerned every one thinks the same though.
Which they do. Literally.
spies8owen 12:42 pm
I'm not COMPLETELY sold on it, but for now, Alexei is a lot more suspicious
spies8themba 12:42 pm
yes. that part is definitely agreeable. and i am just going off of what i've learned in the last 2 hours when he's been subject to grilling. i haven't even considered tina's and nita's cases on him.
dane stood up a lot better.
spies8owen 12:43 pm
I've been on him for since the Zed chat. He hasn't helped himself at all since then.
(10:41:43 PM) spies8alexei: half of my case depends entirely on Zed
I don't think that at all.
spies8themba 12:44 pm
No, he really hasn't. Yeah what does that even mean?
I don't get it.
spies8owen 12:44 pm
It's his own actions, not Zed's.
spies8themba 12:44 pm
Because he pushed Zed?
spies8owen 12:45 pm
It's not because he pushed Zed, it's HOW he's done.
I don't know if he gets that.
spies8themba 12:45 pm
I think he thinks if Zed's exiled and flips spy, that'll make him a Cit? And vice versa? Idk.
spies8owen 12:46 pm
It actually does seem that way.
spies8themba 12:46 pm
Odd. Now I want to hear Jenny say something.
spies8owen 12:47 pm
Jenny is a smart one.
Usually the first one to IM me when I get on.
Doesn't say too much afterwards though.
At least that's the case with me.
spies8themba 12:47 pm
Yeah, to invite you to the chat room?
spies8owen 12:47 pm
Yep. There's also been times where she'd announce to me that people are online.
As if she's my buddy list.
spies8themba 12:48 pm
LOL. Yep. Same here. She may be smart, but she ain't saying much. I wanna hear more.
spies8owen 12:48 pm
Steph also brought this up too.
"She IM's me and then doesn't respond to things I say afterwards"
spies8themba 12:49 pm
Yes. A little odd. Also a very detailed answer there too.
spies8owen 12:49 pm
She always seems so composed.
spies8themba 12:49 pm
Boring!
spies8owen 12:49 pm
Needs some flavaaaa.
spies8themba 12:50 pm
Yeah, I will never be always composed. Maybe I am just jealous... Guess there's gotta be one of us!
spies8owen 12:50 pm
Yeah, I can definitely get rattled.
I can really overdefensive when I'm accused of shit.
be really*
spies8themba 12:51 pm
Me too. Me. Too. :-D
spies8owen 12:51 pm
3 smiley faces in a row from Ms. Jenny
What a sweetheart.
spies8themba 12:52 pm
* yawns *
:-P
spies8owen 12:52 pm
I love that I said that in a context where she could never tell if I'm being sarcastic or being nice.
spies8themba 12:52 pm
LOOOL.
I did LOL. Honest. You're a funny funny boy.
spies8owen 12:52 pm
Man*
spies8themba 12:53 pm
haha. sure sure.
did you see Alexei's reaction then? LOL? Just LOL?
I think he's pretty much admitted it!
spies8owen 12:53 pm
I feel like I'm being so insensitive right now...
but I'm not being that shit.
buying*
lmao
spies8themba 12:53 pm
No I don't buy it for a second.
But check Alexei out.
I reckon he's given up.
spies8owen 12:54 pm
It seems it.
...that doesn't help us if he's town.
If you're town, fight.
spies8themba 12:54 pm
Has anyone ever given up as a Spy in chat before? I can't think of any that I've read.
spies8owen 12:54 pm
Nor can I.
Most of them still claim citizen even after reveal.
spies8themba 12:55 pm
Harharhar.
Funny stuff.
I am so tempted to ask him.
spies8owen 12:55 pm
...
That last message.
Oh dear.
spies8themba 12:56 pm
I will LMFAO if he's Spy.
spies8owen 12:56 pm
I think I might LMFAO either way. That was really bad.
But I'll be shocked if he's not.
spies8themba 12:56 pm
Ahahahahaaa!
spies8owen 12:56 pm
That was like an award show acceptance.
spies8themba 12:56 pm
Yeah me too. Never seen a Cit lie down and take it like that before. Never ever.
spies8owen 12:57 pm
Thank you, thank you for giving me the role of spy.
spies8themba 12:57 pm
So true. We could do our own award show this game.
ROFL!
spies8owen 12:58 pm
LOL
I BID YOU FAREWELL.
spies8themba 12:59 pm
hehehehe
spies8owen 12:59 pm
I can't take this seriously.
At all.
spies8themba 12:59 pm
Hahaha.
spies8owen 12:59 pm
I've cried during Disney movies.
But this...
spies8themba 12:59 pm
It's well amusing.
spies8owen 12:59 pm
I can't...
spies8themba 12:59 pm
Hahaha! Love it.
I hope they're all like this!
spies8owen 1:02 pm
Thanks for my first legit "lmao" of the game.
I was getting kinda worried everyone was really stiff (aside from Rondak)
I wouldn't dare make a joke to Jenny.
She reminds me of an ex.
spies8themba 1:04 pm
Hahaha! Well I am always up for a laugh. Thank you too.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Funny.
- Must be a Spies player from one of the earlier games, I'd assume. I will LOL if he's one from Spies6.
- Very clever, should be an early target for the Spies if town-sided.


Monday 21st June-
[12:50] spies8owen: Why in the shit must Alexei be so scummy to me? Zed has said some of the dumbest things I've seen.
[12:51] spies8owen: I can't get over Alexei's giving up. It does no good for the town to lie down and take this.
[12:51] spies8themba: I know. I have changed. I don't think it's going to matter though. I think Alexei is still going.
[12:51] spies8owen: In the very least if he kept fighting he could have caused some people to slip up
[12:52] spies8themba: I know. I know. It's so hard. It's 55/45 in Zed's favour for me atm.
[12:52] spies8themba: Also didn't help that Alexei didn't even bother posting his story.
[12:52] spies8owen: The only people it would benefit for him to just STFU is the other spies.
[12:52] spies8themba: But if Alexei does flip spy, people may start questioning me.
[12:52] spies8themba: You have a good point.
[12:53] spies8themba: We will know soon enough.
[12:53] spies8owen: Yeah. I've second guessed it for the past 2 hours or so.
[12:53] spies8themba: Me too.
[12:53] spies8owen: The Zed HQ comment kills me.
[12:53] spies8themba: LOL I know!
[12:53] spies8themba: He just... I don't know.
[12:53] spies8owen: If he's a n00b like it seems, he would NOT know the term HQ
[12:54] spies8themba: no. good point.
[12:54] spies8themba: Change to Zedekiah please.

I think he's just too lame to be a Cit.
[12:54] spies8themba: that's my exact vote wording.
[12:54] spies8owen: Hahaha.
[12:54] spies8themba:
[12:54] spies8owen: When I first heard people were flipping I was like "you guys are so fucked if Alexei flips scum"
[12:54] spies8owen: but really, I can understand it.
[12:55] spies8owen: Because I've been so certain on Alexei and even now I'm thinking I could be wrong
[12:55] spies8themba: Do you know if anyone else has flipped?
[12:55] spies8owen: Tina.
[12:55] spies8themba: Oh. Interesting.
[12:55] spies8owen: That's the last one, I believe.
[12:55] spies8themba: Hmmm.
[12:55] spies8themba: She was so sure on Alexei I thought.
[12:55] spies8owen: Yeah -- I think it was the Zed HQ comment and his lack of participation.
[12:55] spies8owen: Both of which are really valid.
[12:56] spies8themba: Yeah. They are. But I think Alexei will still be going home.
[14:43] spies8owen: Yeah, so I'm still not sure about Zed
[14:43] spies8owen: The votes are confusing me, perhaps I'm looking too much into it
[14:43] spies8themba: no me neither.
[14:43] spies8themba: i GUARANTEE there's a spy on the Alex vote
[14:43] Meebo Message: Could not IM buddy
[14:44] spies8owen: I wouldn't be shocked at all.
[14:44] spies8owen: Zeddy not voting Alexei concerns me.
[14:44] spies8owen: With his head on the chopping block
[14:44] spies8themba: question is, where will the group head now?
[14:44] spies8owen: Allan is after me! Oh NO!
[14:44] spies8themba: hmmm... yep i'd vote the other person being voted definitely.
[14:45] spies8themba: Allan! OH NOES! Not Allan!
[14:45] spies8themba: You better watch your back!
[14:46] spies8themba: Also, it will be interesting to see who's exiled. And, is it only one person from the entire group? Or one from each of the dems/repubs? I don't think it's been specified.
[14:46] spies8themba: Or I just didn't pay attention. Either/or.
[14:47] spies8owen: I think it's only 1, doesn't matter which group.
[14:47] spies8owen: I'm a bit concerned about it
[14:51] spies8themba: yeah i was thinking, if jenny's a cit, maybe that's why she has been lying low. she has let it slip a couple of times that she knows quite a bit about the game, and i reckon she's worried about being imprisoned. if of course, she is a cit. cause she seems quite smart when she does talk, but she doesn't talk all that much. if that makes sense.
[14:52] spies8themba: <<< not worried about being imprisoned! i didn't vote the exiled
[14:52] spies8owen: Yep. She tries to make herself seem over-useful to us.
[14:52] spies8owen: Being the first to IM, always posting chats, always setting reminders.
[14:52] spies8owen: But I haven't gotten much out of her as far as hunting is concerned.
[14:52] spies8themba: Correct. So she's here, but she's not, kinda.
[14:53] spies8owen: Always paying attention, it would seem.
[14:53] spies8themba: I would think about exiling you, if I was a Spy, definitely.
[14:53] spies8themba: Oh always. She knows what's going on.
[15:01] spies8themba: PS -
[15:01] spies8themba: First spy to lie down and admit defeat in Group Chat Award goes to:
[15:02] spies8themba: Alexei!
[15:09] spies8owen: Hahahaha.
[15:09] spies8owen: I'd like to thank you all for catching me!
[15:09] spies8owen: It's been an honour!
[15:09] spies8owen: At least we know he was Canadian?
[15:09] spies8themba: LMFAOOOO
[15:09] spies8themba: Gold.
[15:10] spies8themba: Btw I forgot to show you this:
[15:10] spies8themba: [12:27] spies8zedekiah: Pardon me miss themba, fer the sake of it, as someone who ain't on the bandwagon o' Alexei, what are yer last thoughts 'bout his alignment?
[12:31] spies8themba: i think he may well be a spy, but i am unsure. i think you are both possible spies, and it's a 50/50 at the moment as to who i vote for. i vote who i see has the strongest case against them. and now i feel that is you.
[15:10] spies8themba: About half an hour or so before exile began.
[15:10] spies8owen: Hmm...
[15:10] spies8owen: I do definitely still think they could be spies together.
[15:10] spies8owen: Alexei never took a legitimate stance against him.
[15:11] spies8themba: Seems a bit odd doesn't it? Just asking for what?
[15:11] spies8themba: I don't get it. But, I don't get anything he does. At all.
[15:11] spies8owen: Yeah, I don't know why he'd need to know that.
[15:11] spies8owen: "Who should we imprison if Alexei stays?"
[15:11] spies8owen: Basically.
[15:11] spies8owen: That's the only thing I get out of that.
[15:12] spies8owen: Maybe they were trying to figure out who had a better chance at surviving after this
[15:16] spies8themba: However, if he is a Spy too, he will take out the Best Defence Ever Award...
[15:16] spies8themba: Q) Zed, why weren't you around?
[15:16] spies8themba: A) ...
[15:16] spies8themba:
[15:17] spies8themba: And good point. Didn't think of that. Ugh.
[15:31] spies8themba: Jenny got the exact same message. And if Sav did too, that's just odd.
[15:31] spies8owen: Very.
[15:31] spies8owen: Still not understanding what asking that accomplishes.
[15:32] spies8themba: Me neither.
[15:32] spies8themba: Jenny's response was also along a similar line to that.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Seems like he feels the same way I did about this Exile.
- Interesting take on Zed's actions.
- Could he be a manipulative Spy?


Tuesday 22nd June-
[13:30] spies8owen: I'm hearing that I apparently bussed Alexei, lmao
[13:30] spies8owen: How in the hell was that conclusion drawn by anyone? And why ME out of the other people that flaked out? Ridiculous.
[13:31] spies8themba: one of the voters did, i think. but i think it's between rondak and hambone.
[13:31] spies8themba: most don't think it's you - as you helped with evidence against him.
[13:32] spies8owen: If they want to think that so I'm not imprisoned, that's swell, but it's a bit frustrating when I put a lot of thought into everything.
[13:32] spies8themba: lol well i hope you're not imprisoned.
[13:33] spies8themba: i am starting to get a scummy read on hambone.
[13:34] spies8owen: I think a lot of that relies on if he's telling the truth about his Survivor/no Mafia background. I've thought of that, but a lot of the things I've seen from him seem like an eager n00b town.
[13:34] spies8owen: Why are you getting a scum read?
[13:35] spies8owen: Hammy's actually been pretty talkative with me lately -- I've been getting a good vibe.
[13:35] spies8themba: he said something about believing alexei was scum for the last couple of days. i've talked with him and not once did he mention that he suspected alexei.
[13:36] spies8themba: and he also tried to fos me for being 45/55 between alexei and zed, and that it was scary to him that i could change so easily between the 2.
[13:36] spies8themba: but maybe you're right, maybe that's just keen newb.
[13:36] spies8owen: Hmm, you're right.
[13:36] spies8owen: He didn't seem too convinced about Alexei.
[13:36] spies8owen: In fact, I think he really wanted Dane out.
[13:37] spies8themba: He didn't, as far as I know anyway, put down any solid suspect. I know he hated Dane. Don't know if he wanted him out. It just rings a little odd.
[14:25] spies8themba: being grilled by zed = fun
[14:27] spies8owen: He's grilling you?
[14:27] spies8owen: He's never really IMed me.
[14:28] spies8themba: you're missing out
[14:28] spies8themba: seriously.
[14:28] spies8themba: riveting stuff.
[14:28] Meebo Message: Could not IM buddy
[14:29] spies8themba: [14:22] spies8zedekiah: right, so you reckon he was sure t' be scum, yet you changed yer vote t' me at the last second?
[14:23] spies8themba: no i am not sure if anyone is scum. the vote was 45/55, 50/50, 55/45 as my mind processed what you were saying in the chat. i went into that group chat voting for alexei. i came out of it voting for you. it wasn't the last second, it was an hour before exile commenced. you can also verify that by checking the current chat log.
[14:30] spies8owen: Only time we talked one on one was the night after he got raped with words. I made it known that I had a town lean on him then and that I was looking more that the people that were attacking him. He wasn't too receptive to that; not sure how to read it.
[14:30] spies8themba: [14:29] spies8zedekiah: do you have any regrets in the way ye voted?
[14:30] spies8themba: cute.
[14:35] spies8owen: Ohh, this is like a magazine interview or something.
[14:35] spies8owen: Cuuuuute.
[14:35] spies8themba: Hehehe.
[14:35] spies8owen: Q: Who is your inspiration?
[14:35] spies8themba: LMFAO
[14:35] spies8owen: Q: When did you know you wanted to play Spies?
[14:35] spies8themba: BAHAHA
[14:35] spies8themba: love it.
[14:35] spies8themba: I hope you don't get imprisoned. I'll cry.
[14:37] spies8owen: Me too.
[14:38] spies8owen: I'd miss you too, you've been good for laughs and for a good game chat.
[14:38] spies8themba: Awe.
[14:38] spies8themba: [14:32] spies8zedekiah: do you reckon that you've connected the case with alexi with anyone else?
[14:38] spies8themba: hehehehe
[14:41] spies8themba: Does this sound amateur/first time to you?
[14:41] spies8themba: 14:37] spies8themba: only one question at this point. why did you send the exact same message to sav, jenny and myself before exile?

[14:41] spies8themba: 14:39] spies8zedekiah: always cover yer bases, everyone knows why ye DO vote someone, but after their dead it's toolate t' know why ye didn't
[14:42] spies8themba: brb
[14:44] spies8owen: I didn't understand his response at all, hahaha.
[14:45] spies8themba: it's like he's saying that if he flipped cit, he'd use whatever we said in 'defending' him as evidence against us.
[14:45] spies8themba: that's kinda what i gather from it.
[14:46] spies8themba: but who knows, it's freaking zed.
[14:52] spies8owen: That makes sense. I really do have trouble understanding him.
[14:52] spies8owen: What Allan was saying about Nita fits more for Zed.
[14:52] spies8owen: Or maybe he really IS like this. *shivers*
[14:54] spies8themba: what was allan saying about nita?
[14:54] spies8themba: i missed that part.
[14:58] spies8owen: Allan said that she's the kinda character that hides behind bad English, etc.
[14:58] spies8owen: That was his first outburst, not from tonight.
[14:59] spies8themba: Ahh yeah that's right. I was thinking the same thing. It's gonna get annoying.
[15:00] spies8themba: I am curious to see his case on me though. If he does indeed build one.
[15:22] spies8owen: Sorry about that -- box didn't flash.
[15:22] spies8owen: Yeah, he says he's making a case on you right now (and others)
[15:22] spies8owen: And a post full of logic on catching spies and such.
[15:22] spies8owen: I'm looking forward to it.
[15:23] spies8owen: Hopefully he un-Zed's it a bit so I can fully understand.
[15:24] spies8themba: I am hoping it's been the most amusing thing so far. Everything has been so serious. Hopefully this will give me great cause to use LOL and actually physically LOL whilst reading.
[15:25] spies8owen: Hahahaha, that and actually give us some insight to what he's thinking.
[15:25] spies8owen: I haven't got much of a clue what's going on in his head.
[15:25] spies8themba: No, no idea. We shall see soon hopefully.
[15:43] spies8themba: see you later hun
[15:44] spies8owen: Night. I should be around before Imprisonment tomorrow.
[15:44] spies8owen: Not sure about after it, lmao
[15:44] spies8owen: but before, yes.
[15:44] spies8themba: Yeah hopefully I will be around too Byeee.

-=-

Thoughts:
- I hope he's not a Spy and doesn't get Imprisoned.
- I hope I don't get Imprisoned.
- Will keep analysing should we both survive tomorrow.

[Themba]

- HAMBONE -

Saturday, 19th June.
spies8hambone 10:16 am
so telll me love whats goin on
spies8themba 10:17 am
hi Hambone :-) i am just making a coffee. back in 5 and we'll chat.
spies8hambone 10:20 am
ok
spies8themba 10:23 am
back
what's news with you?
spies8hambone 10:26 am
nothin
just very very very tired from worek
worek*
DAMMIT
work*
how bout u
spies8themba 10:26 am
i just woke up, so the coffee should helpfully kick the brain into gear.
spies8hambone 10:26 am
yeah i had a red bull
spies8themba 10:26 am
fingers-crossed anyway!
spies8hambone 10:26 am
but that was liek 6 hours ago
so im crashing now
spies8themba 10:27 am
yeah that happens to me too with red bull - great for a while, then even tireder afterwards.
what do you think of this comment:
spies8Allan: no need to get upset nita, when people fight the mafia win
spies8hambone 10:32 am
uh
i have no idea
ive neven met allan
and until today ive never even heard of him
spies8themba 10:33 am
yeah i haven't met him either actually. just struck me as an odd thing to say. i'll add it into my confessional and ask him about it later.
who are you looking at at the moment? anyone in particular?
spies8hambone 10:34 am
not rly no
if i had to vote based on gut feelings
id vote for owen
spies8themba 10:34 am
whyso? i haven't him yet either. apart from this group chat now.
spies8hambone 10:35 am
just cuz ive never met him and idk, its a gut feeling, there is no reason =P
spies8themba 10:35 am
haha i get that. first vote's always gonna be tough to have solid reasons i guess.
spies8hambone 10:38 am
yea
especially when u dont know what yer doing
spies8themba 10:39 am
well, assuming we do vote someone off, the best outcome is we get a spy. second best we get a cit. least desirable is we out a pr. that's how i see it.
spies8hambone 10:45 am
yea
spies8hambone 11:20 am
by that comment
im going to guess that u have played this game b4
spies8themba 11:21 am
nah i haven't played this one before. some other mafia styles, and i have watched previous series :-)
spies8hambone 11:21 am
oh ok
well im a stick witchu
plz dont let me say anything stupid =P
spies8themba 11:22 am
haha i don't think you will say anything stupid at all. you just need to figure it out in your head, and asking questions is never a bad idea. no matter what stupid people like dane say.
spies8hambone 11:26 am
yeah
well dane voted for u
and i dont want ppl voting me out just cuz im asking questions
and i def dont wanna be an early boot due to my stupidity
spies8themba 11:32 am
well hopefully dane will change his mind on his vote - we shall see after i've spoken to him. and i don't think people will vote you for asking questions about the best way to vote out spies. that would be silly.
spies8hambone 11:35 am
ok
good
spies8themba 11:37 am
:-)
i will see you later hun. good luck with your thoughts.
spies8hambone 11:42 am
ok
yeah ill ttyl love

-=-

Thoughts:
- Claims to be new at the game, yet approached me first.
- Seems nice. Will need to watch for any slips.
- 40/60 town/spy alliance.


Sunday 20th June:
spies8hambone 10:13 am
yo
spies8themba 10:14 am
hello there! my computer is slow today, like really slow. i can't even get into the group chat atm. odd. how are you anyway?
spies8hambone 10:15 am
im ok
took a beating earlier
from douchebag Dane
all because i stuck up for u
spies8themba 10:15 am
haha he is a douchebag. what happened? and thank you for sticking up for me too.
spies8hambone 10:16 am
he went apeshit at me and starting yelling at me in teh chatroom
im sure they will tell u
spies8themba 10:17 am
what an ass. i hope he goes.
spies8themba 10:17 am
i look forward to reading the chat transcripts.
logged on 4 different times yesterday, didn't see him once.
spies8hambone 10:19 am
haha yea
spies8hambone 10:19 am
ive not met allan yet
havent spoken to kiara or owen rly
nor have i spoken to u much
spies8themba 10:21 am
no i haven't met allan. spoke to kiara last night for about 5 minutes then she had to go, and i haven't spoken to tina or rondak one on one i don't think. yeah yesterday i think was the first time we spoke? that's what happens sometimes i guess though. have to be on at the same time.
spies8hambone 10:22 am
yeah
spies8hambone 10:34 am
who is ur main suspect right now
spies8hambone is available 10:37 am
sweet child o mine! 1s ago Comment
spies8themba 10:43 am
well i've popped my tentative vote in for dane, but i am reading the transcripts and the case against alexei now.
so i will have a better idea once i've read those, and caught up with what everyone's been saying in the burg.
so ask me in about, ummm 10 mins :-)
spies8hambone 10:45 am
ok
right now is ur chance
to talk to dane
spies8hambone 11:10 am
as he gets yelled at by like 2 other ppl
loooool
spies8themba 11:10 am
hahaha awesome lemme look.
spies8hambone 11:11 am
the chat is BEAMING right now
spies8hambone 11:14 am
HAhahahaha
spies8themba 11:14 am
hilarious
spies8hambone 11:14 am
Hahahhahahah
spies8themba 11:14 am
what a tosser.
spies8hambone 11:14 am
HI THEMBA CAN U JUST NOT RIGHT NOW
looooool
spies8themba 11:14 am
karma baby. karma.
spies8hambone 11:14 am
yes but hes a slippery toad
and hes gettin out of it
idk WHAT i want right now
i suspect the SHIT out of alexei
but i HATE dane
spies8themba 11:15 am
haha i know it's tough. i still haven't finished reading all this stuff. so much!

-=-

Thoughts:
- Still unsure whether he is new. He says he's played Survivor, and knows how to CTRLF, but this is merely nothing substantial to his alliance I guess.
- Seems certain Dane is a Cit though he hates him.
- Doesn't seem to have a definite vote yet.
- Seems to assume I am a Cit as he keeps sticking up for me.


Tuesday 22nd June-
[14:02] spies8hambone: have u and alexei ever talked before
[14:02] spies8hambone: like 1 on 1
[14:02] spies8themba: never.
[14:02] spies8hambone: wow
[14:02] spies8themba: not once. and i am around a fair bit.
[14:03] spies8themba: also never had a chat with rondak privately though.
[14:03] spies8themba: or allan.
[14:04] spies8hambone: ok
[14:05] spies8hambone: ive not with allan either
[14:05] spies8hambone: or kiara
[14:05] spies8hambone: well barely to allan
[14:05] spies8hambone: i dont consider it a chat
[14:09] spies8themba: sorry had a phonecall. yeah i've spoken to kiara once , she was on her phone using aim, so it didn't last very long. i guess i will get around to talking to everyone when they're free at the same time i am.
[14:11] spies8hambone: ya

-=-

Thoughts:
- Quickly becoming a possible bussing Spy.
- Dunno why he thinks that I may be a Spy, however this 'questioning' may well have something to do with it.
- Maybe he and Zed are working together on a super plan to get me exiled next episode. LOOOOL.

[Themba]

- KIARA -

Sunday, 20th June
spies8themba 11:36 pm
hey kiara! i know you're on your phone, but if you have a chance to chat that'd be cool. if not, maybe i can send you a pm :-)
spies8kiara 11:37 pm
Hello! Yes on my phone but I have time to talk no problem.
spies8themba 11:38 pm
awesome. how is the move going? talk about bad timing for you!
spies8kiara 11:39 pm
Its alright - worse timing that I got into a fight with my boyfriend too lol
How are you doing?
spies8themba 11:40 pm
haha i know that feeling - i've done the same. and i am actually house sitting for 6 weeks and only moved in 5 days ago... freaky!
anyway, what are you thinking about the game? have you enjoyed it so far?
spies8kiara 11:43 pm
Haha yeah its wonderful . The game is fun hehe I have read the chat log from the other night and there seems to be something a bit sketchy with either Alexi or Zed - although I haven't spoken to either yet
spies8themba 11:45 pm
i have spoken to zed in a group sit, but not one on one. i kinda get the feeling he's not interested in speaking one on one, which is a little funny. we were all in a chat earlier, and i had about 5 pm's going on the side, and not once did he come and speak to me. i might try and have a chat with him tomorrow. though i did say to him he's one of my possible votes - for the sheer oddness of his story.
and i haven't spoken to alexei at all yet. no read on him.
spies8kiara 11:46 pm
I will be back hun phone about to die lol
spies8themba 11:46 pm
kk :-)

-=-

Thoughts:
- Pass.

[Themba]

- TINA -

Sunday 20th June-
spies8tina 11:03 am
So where are your thoughts on all of this going on?
spies8themba 11:04 am
heya. well atm i am reading the spat between dane and hambone. but i am assuming you're asking about the alexei case?
spies8tina 11:04 am
That, or even the Dane stuff.
There is a growing wagon there as well, and I am sure some residual Zed stuff.
Just want to know what you think of those three at least.
spies8themba 11:05 am
The discussion of no exile was brought on for several reasons. 1) there was literally nothing in our group's pages at the time, jenny hadn't posted the first transcripts and i wanted to get something started. 2) you never know what people's opinions will be, or how their thoughts may be handy later down the road.
spies8tina 11:06 am
Did you think it could have been a good idea though?
spies8themba 11:06 am
so, from my standpoint, i did think some people may try and get me exiled because of it, and i wanted to see who.
to no exile? hell no.
spies8tina 11:07 am
Ok.
spies8themba 11:07 am
so when dane jumped on and said he's voting me for no other reason than that, i started to look at him. it's lazy and to me, not pro-town. but i could be wrong.
still waiting for him to come online too.
spies8tina 11:07 am
Dane is online
spies8tina 11:08 am
Arguing with Steph in the group chat right now.
spies8themba 11:08 am
fascinating. maybe he doesn't want to talk with me.
lol awesome. what are they arguing about? i am still reading the darn chat transcripts.
spies8tina 11:09 am
They are talking fast for me.
I told Dane you want to talk though so he might start a conversation with you.
spies8themba 11:09 am
i will catch up then when i have finished reading. in short, i do not advocate a no exile. that was not the intention. the intention was to create some discussion, see who thought what, who would argue what and how that may help later down the road.
spies8themba 11:10 am
yeah cool. i will be back in the main chat once i've finished reading all of this.
spies8tina 11:10 am
Basic thoughts on Dane/Alexei/Zed though.
No need to rush, I should be around for a while.
spies8themba 11:10 am
kk. i will get back to you.
Thoughts on Dane: He's lazy and abrasive and hasn't made an effort to do anything much else than try and lynch me. He's only just today coming on and 'not buzzing' and asking questions about other people. Before the last 24 hours, I don't think I saw any real in depth questioning of anyone. I also think his logic about it's ok to vote a PR because we have a Doc and that Spies don't infiltrate this game early on very questionable. Very possible spy.
spies8themba 11:31 am
Alexei: Haven't had a one on one with him yet. Seems shady from the chats you and Nina have posted. My initial thoughts were that he was quite adamant about questioning Zed, then seems to have backed off. I can understand he couldn't remember where to find info though about what Dane did/didn't say, as that's happened to me before. You know you read it somewhere, but you're just not sure where. I would like to hear more from him though about his fos's. As Nina said, spies don't need to scumhunt do they? Possible spy.
spies8themba 11:35 am
Zed: God only knows. Definitely the oddest series of comments so far in terms of explaining his whereabouts. I.E. The Zed response of: ... But I wonder whether he's a scared/silly citizen or a lazy/dumb spy? I also have not spoken to him enough one on one to get more of a read on him. I think it's also odd that the 2 people who appeared to be pushing the case on him have now backed off, though I think maybe Jenny is still planning on voting for him. The thought just runs through my head atm of 'what if we let him slip through because we assume he's too dumb?' which has happened a lot in this game before. Ideally, I'd like to catch him in admitting he's played one of Sam's games before, but I don't think that's going to happen. If I could, I'd be 100% certain he's a spy. I am also curious to see who he's suspicious of and what work he's done to dissolve the case against him. As right now I can't see he's done too much. Possible Spy.
Whew. There you go :-)
spies8tina 11:36 am
So you are voting Dane instead of Alexei?
spies8themba 11:37 am
At this point yes. But I want to speak to Dane after he's finished with the rest of the group. Apparently I am not allowed to speak in there atm...
spies8themba 11:44 am
spies8themba 11:36 am
well let's talk about you then. people are planning on voting you, from my reading of the transcripts. what have you done to try and change their mind?
spies8zedekiah 11:37 am
I told the total truth every chance I was asked
they talked t' me in privite a few times too
spies8themba 11:37 am
ah. ok.
dunno what to think of that.
spies8tina 11:45 am
I know Alexei talked with him in private sometime after that first group chat, which apparently made Alexei get a citizen read on him.
However Alexei still has him as his second suspect.
spies8themba 11:45 am
After Dane now?
spies8tina 11:46 am
Right
Also about an hour ago was the first I ever heard of Dane being a suspect of Alexei.
spies8themba 11:46 am
Right. And why does Alexei want a Dane lynch? Because of Stephanie's argument?
spies8tina 11:46 am
That was his entire case on Dane.
spies8themba 11:46 am
LOL.
Right. I see what you mean.
There's a very good chance I will change off Dane - but I like to see his reaction to it all also. Is good for him :-)
spies8tina 11:47 am
spies8tina (5:52:40 PM):Can you summarize that case for me?spies8alexei (5:52:52 PM):it's what steph told me
spies8themba 11:47 am
LMFAO
i really did laugh out loud
spies8tina 11:48 am
So he just happens to suddenly jump on the top wagon out of nowhere.
spies8themba 11:48 am
Yeah, it's not the best idea to just jump on that without contributing some thoughts of your own. Hmmm.
spies8tina 11:48 am
I do not see my vote changing from him.
spies8themba 11:49 am
I need to talk with him. Stephanie and I have some good points about Dane, but yours and Tina's may be stronger about Alexei.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Intelligent, seemingly town-orientated.
- Developed good points against Alexei.
- Good communication.
- 60/40 town sided over maf currently.
- Need to speak with her more next Episode.

[Themba]

- ZEDEKIAH -

Sunday 20th June-
spies8zedekiah 11:03 am
Howdy Themba!
spies8themba 11:04 am
oh hi! i am reading the chat logs atm which is why i am not in the main grouup. but how are you?
spies8zedekiah 11:04 am
I'm good, sorry if I interupted
yeah that was pretty much what I was goin' t' ask ya mind reader you :-P
spies8themba 11:06 am
haha that's ok. lemme get back to you in 10/
spies8themba 11:35 am
wow that took a long time.
spies8zedekiah 11:35 am
heh, it's a doozy
spies8themba 11:35 am
sounds like the chat is still going along swimmingly!
spies8zedekiah 11:36 am
yeah, I dun know what t' think really
spies8themba 11:36 am
well let's talk about you then. people are planning on voting you, from my reading of the transcripts. what have you done to try and change their mind?
spies8zedekiah 11:37 am
I told the total truth every chance I was asked
they talked t' me in privite a few times too
spies8themba 11:37 am
ah. ok.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Hmmm. Am still leaning lazy Spy.


Monday 21st June-
[12:27] spies8zedekiah: Pardon me miss themba, fer the sake of it, as someone who ain't on the bandwagon o' Alexei, what are yer last thoughts 'bout his alignment?
[12:31] spies8themba: i think he may well be a spy, but i am unsure. i think you are both possible spies, and it's a 50/50 at the moment as to who i vote for. i vote who i see has the strongest case against them. and now i feel that is you.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Ugh, what if he is researching possible Spy imprisonments???
- Other than that, like everything else this dude does, I have no freakin' clue.


Tuesday 22nd June-
[14:12] spies8zedekiah: howdy, wanted to talk t' ya
[14:13] spies8themba: go for it hun. if i don't respond straightaway, it's not because i am taking ages to think of a response, i am at work. just for the record
[14:13] spies8zedekiah: alright
[14:17] spies8zedekiah: First off, did alexei tell ye anythin bout who he suspected before being lynched
[14:17] spies8themba: nope. never spoke to him once one on one.
[14:19] spies8zedekiah: I see, what were yer reasons fer suspectin him so strongly then?
[14:19] spies8themba: my main, convincing reason was the group chat where he basically laid down and died and admitted being maffy.
[14:20] spies8zedekiah: I see, so you were quite sure of his quilt then?
[14:20] spies8zedekiah: *guilt
[14:20] spies8themba: doesn't take much more than that for me. he made an odd comment about lynching dane regardless of alliance, then that he believed steph's evidence but had no evidence of his own. then we pressed him, and in the end he just went ok then.
[14:21] spies8themba: yeah i told him in that chat that i was probably voting for him.
[14:21] spies8themba: you can reread it to back it up.
[14:22] spies8zedekiah: right, so you reckon he was sure t' be scum, yet you changed yer vote t' me at the last second?
[14:23] spies8themba: no i am not sure if anyone is scum. the vote was 45/55, 50/50, 55/45 as my mind processed what you were saying in the chat. i went into that group chat voting for alexei. i came out of it voting for you. it wasn't the last second, it was an hour before exile commenced. you can also verify that by checking the current chat log.
[14:24] spies8zedekiah: but ye jus claimed that he "admitted" his guilt
[14:25] spies8zedekiah: I'd say that's a 100% case right there
[14:25] spies8themba: i thought it could be an admission yes. it can never be a 100% case until they're dead and the alliance is revealed.
[14:25] spies8zedekiah: hmm, alright then
[14:25] spies8themba: i also said that in the chat too.
[14:25] spies8themba: and it's on my autosig.
[14:27] spies8zedekiah: how 'bout the case on dane at the time, what did ye think 'bout that?
[14:28] spies8themba: i could see what steph was saying, and i also thought that it was odd that just about everyone thinks dane is an aggro cit. and i didn't like that he was trying to lynch me for starting a conversation. but after the alexei chat, i changed my vote from dane to alexei.
[14:29] spies8zedekiah: do you have any regrets in the way ye voted?
[14:30] spies8themba: no. can't have regrets. i voted for a reason, and until your alliance is revealed, i don't know if my reasoning was right.
[14:31] spies8zedekiah: o course, perfectly reasonable
[14:31] spies8themba: that's good.
[14:32] spies8zedekiah: do you reckon that you've connected the case with alexi with anyone else?
[14:33] spies8themba: not yet. i never spoke to him, so i have no ideas apart from what's posted by you guys who did talk to him. but i do think one of the voters is scum. almost positive. just a matter of working out who.
[14:33] spies8zedekiah: heh, well a vague clue is better than nothin'
[14:34] spies8zedekiah: any new suspects?
[14:35] spies8themba: i'd like to speak to rondak as we've never chatted one on one. we seem to be online at crossover times or something. i need to know a bit more about him.
[14:36] spies8zedekiah: alright then, that's all I wanted t' know unless you have anythin t' ask too
[14:37] spies8themba: only one question at this point. why did you send the exact same message to sav, jenny and myself before exile?
[14:39] spies8zedekiah: always cover yer bases, everyone knows why ye DO vote someone, but after their dead it's toolate t' know why ye didn't
[14:39] spies8themba: interesting perspective.
[14:40] spies8zedekiah: well, thank ye fer yer time miss themba
[14:40] spies8themba: you're very welcome.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Am assuming this questioning is to build some sort of 'case' on me. Can't wait to see it.
- His response to my question, if I read it right, seems rather pre-planned and sophisticated for someone who has never played the game before.
- That's if I read it right, cause god knows with Zed.

[Themba]

- DANE -

Sunday 20th June-
spies8dane 11:58 am
I am no longer voting you
spies8themba 11:58 am
i know :-)
i am watching
spies8dane 11:58 am
ah
spies8themba 11:58 am
not talking
as you asked
spies8dane 11:58 am
i wasn't asking you not to talk
i was just saying lets not do the "no exile" argument when there was an ongoing argument already
now
fire away
spies8themba 11:59 am
ahh i took it as otherwise. doesn't matter. i think alex's statement is very suss.
spies8themba 12:00 pm
i don't really have anything more to say about the no exile issue. other than that just because i raised it doesn't mean i support it.
spies8dane 12:00 pm
cool
I get that
just the whole noob trap thing
the reason I didn't change my vote was because I got such a reaction
spies8themba 12:00 pm
what if it's a spy noob though?
spies8dane 12:01 pm
spy noobs have the advantage of senior spys councilling their moves before forum posts
spies8themba 12:01 pm
possibly. you may be right. but not always. anyway it's raised a lot of chat and a lot of defending and i think some of it may be helpful later down the road.
spies8themba 12:02 pm
i've already said to tina i'm probably changing to alexei, but i just wanted to see how you'd do under a grilling :-)
spies8dane 12:02 pm
and how'd i fare?
spies8themba 12:02 pm
fairly well. fairly well indeed.
when alexei said 'i'd rather vote you even if you are a cit' I LOL'd.
spies8dane 12:03 pm
yup
what do you think of stephanie?
tunneling cit?
or spy
spies8themba 12:03 pm
i think she is yeah - she's been so suspicious of EVERYONE and i think she's just trying to make a case on someone. i still feel she's cit.
spies8dane 12:04 pm
fair enough
not sure where I'd put her yet
spies8dane 12:04 pm
obviously I'm not going to get a civil convo out of her
spies8themba 12:05 pm
time will tell. she's tried to put together her thoughts on you in a seemingly town-sided way, but we will see. and i think you will, once this all blows over. i have spent a bit of time with her and maybe she was being defensive of me too. but i am sure you will chat to her soon.
spies8dane 12:05 pm
kk
spies8themba 12:06 pm
if you just outed a spy, good job. let's see how this turns out. :-)
spies8dane 12:07 pm
I'll talk to you later, I gotta log off
spies8themba 12:07 pm
ok sounds good. see you later.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Obvious intelligent and has played several times before.
- Now think possibly more town sided, though I don't see why he'd push an easy lynch if he's coming up with the complex 'Noob trap'. Would've thought someone with that knowledge might use it to actually catch a less obvious spy...
- Held up ridiculously well under the pressure of Steph and Alexei, but having said that I don't know how experienced those 2 are.
- Watch and see.

[Themba]

- NITA -

Tuesday 22nd June-
[13:55] spies8Nita: You really think I be the most obvious choice?
[13:55] spies8themba: no i don't, but i am sure that's what some of the others were saying. due to the case on alexei.
[13:56] spies8themba: i personally think it may be owen.
[13:56] spies8Nita: I hope it be someone from the other side
[13:56] spies8Nita: We probably all do
[13:56] spies8themba: do you think they will only take one person? not one from each side?
[13:57] spies8Nita: Claro que no, I hope not
[13:57] spies8themba: I just wonder, as there were 2 exiles, whether there'd be 2 imprisonments. I guess it wouldn't really be fair though, would it? Spies'd have 2 free shots.
[13:58] spies8Nita: Don't sound fair
[13:58] spies8Nita: So who you suspectin now?
[13:58] spies8themba: I am still really suss on Zed. Of course. That boy just doesn't add up to me.
[13:59] spies8themba: And I'd hate to let him slip by because we thought he was too silly to be a Spy.
[13:59] spies8themba: Cause that's happened before.
[13:59] spies8Nita: So he be your #1?
[14:00] spies8themba: Currently, yes. Then I am also curious as to Hambone's allegiances.
[14:00] spies8Nita: Si? Por que Hambone?
[14:01] spies8themba: Yeah, but maybe he just got my back up before. But he said he was sure about Alexei = spy for ages, however I've spoken to him several times and he never mentioned him.
[14:01] spies8themba: Just thought it a bit odd.
[14:29] spies8Nita: Question
[14:29] spies8themba: go for it hun. but i have zed on an im too, so i may be slow to answer
[14:29] spies8Nita: Jenny ever ask you any questions?
[14:29] spies8Nita: Bout anythin?
[14:30] spies8Nita: Other than "como esta"?
[14:30] spies8themba: LOL hell no.
[14:31] spies8themba: Hello, come to the chat. Like I am incapable of finding it on my own.
[14:31] spies8Nita: Nothin bout the game?
[14:32] spies8themba: Nada. I have pm'd her (and yes I do mean pm) about Zed before, and she was really nonchalant about her response. Also yesterday when I asked her about whether she got a message from Zed, she was ... not all that helpful/excited. So I am just not going to bother anymore.
[14:32] spies8Nita: Summary what she said bout Zed?
[14:34] spies8themba: not exactly. that i thought his whole 'can't use aim cause he's a gamer' was off, and that if we could somehow get him to admit he's played any of sam's games before, that'd catch him in a damn good lie. so an idea on how to trap him i guess you'd call it.

-=-

Thoughts:
- Initially thought it odd she assumed there'd only be one person Imprisoned. Makes sense but I am not sure and I don't think Sam's specified it will be just one. But maybe he has and I just wasn't paying attention. Which is also completely possible.
- First time we've spoken all Episode.
- Interesting though that she raises the same issue with Jenny that Steph, Owen and myself have all commented on.

[Judge Sam]

Thanks for posting these.