KAPOW! Awohali DID lie.

[Lilith]

Kiara has confirmed my suspcions.

Also - I still think Kiara is a spy. If she is a spy and she knows he doesn't have a role she has to reveal that. If she lied and said "Awohali had a role" and then Jenny turns up citizen - she is screwed. Thus why she mentioned it - but didn't give any of her opinions on it.

[Gabriel]

Actually, Kiara claiming that proves nothing, Lilith. It could just as easily be a spy trying to save a fellow spy. There is no way to confirm who's lying here until we hear from Awo himself.

[Tina]

There is no way to prove anything with Awo "not having a role", for either Kiara or Jenny.

Take the following situations

Awo cit w/o role, Kiara cit -> No role
Awo cit w/o role, Kiara spy -> Either
Awo cit with role, Kiara cit -> Had role
Awo cit with role, Kiara spy -> Either

It basically (if Kiara is a spy) a matter of if she wants to sacrafice Jenny. If she wants to make that move, she says Awo has a role, and busses him, hoping to gain cit cred. If she wants to allow a possible other lynch, she claimed what she did claim.

Now I think Awo coming up no role, is actually a big cit tell for Kiara, ESPECIALLY when you consider who was imprisoned.

Now, if Kiara was a spy, she backs up Awos role, and gains some cit points. Jenny has zero way of making it much further in this game, anyone can see that. This would be the perfect spot for spy-Kiara to nab a few extra points.

The spies are not going to make Kiara top pick either, they know Jenny is doomed, and there is no reason to try and prolong the ultra inevitable by taking Kiara over someone like, Gertrude, who has a role that is a major threat. Gert is going to be making their optimal imprisonments impossible, so is going to go over Kiara-cit.

Basically, I think Kiara is a cit from this, it makes perfect sense.

Also Awo-cit with no role does not make Jenny a cit, just no longer confirmed spy. Still say it was amazingly stupid of cits to lynch Awo over Jenny. One of the worst possible moves in mafia lynching the cop over the cops guilty.

[Nita]

I post en the round 8 thread that Awohali comin up no role es a spy tell for Kiara, ESPECIALLY when you consider who es imprisoned

Two takes on the same story, no?

[Tina]

Jul 31, 2010 0:10:18 GMT -6 Nita said:

I post en the round 8 thread that Awohali comin up no role es a spy tell for Kiara, ESPECIALLY when you consider who es imprisoned

Two takes on the same story, no?

Most definantly, although if a non-mason went I would agree with you.

[Lilith]

Tina - are you considering Jenny is a CITIZEN - and there is no bussing?

If Kiara is a Spy and Jenny is not, she HAS to say Awohali comes up with no role.

............

Awo cit w/o role, Kiara spy -> Either
Awo cit with role, Kiara spy -> Either

--> I don't think it'd be either. I think Kiara would be honest in either case (because she doesn't know if there is another town role out there who may have had knowledge ahead of time of who was what, or if a dead player who can confirm her as lying might interfere if people are cheating, etc.)

[Nita]

Considerin Tina have Jenny on her suspect list before Awohali say anythin, she probably ain't considerin Jenny es a cit. Neither are most of us.

[Tina]

Jul 31, 2010 13:41:28 GMT -6 Nita said:

Considerin Tina have Jenny on her suspect list before Awohali say anythin, she probably ain't considerin Jenny es a cit. Neither are most of us.

Correct, Awo being cit without a role changes absolutely nothing at this point, your previous read should hold constant.