kiara's roleclaim

[Chance]

spies8cory (12:20:58 AM): Alright, discussion time
spies8cory (12:21:12 AM): 20 minutes before exile Kiara claimed a role to me
spies8chance (12:21:19 AM): ....?
spies8cory (12:21:24 AM): Which is why I changed my vote, and why Owen changed his
spies8cory (12:21:38 AM): Didn't want to do it immediately but only had 20 minutes to decide.
spies8jenny (12:21:43 AM): I think she told Al as well.
spies8chance (12:22:25 AM): kiara, do you have anything to say?
spies8broderick (12:22:34 AM): Why did you tell Awol, Kiara?
spies8cory (12:22:42 AM): (08:32:43 PM) spies8kiara: i can investigate dead players, see if they had roles or not
spies8cory (12:22:54 AM): spies8kiara: savannah, alexia, isaac had roles, gabriel, lilith, and magalie did not
spies8gertrude (12:22:58 AM): Allan, not Awohali, I would assume.
spies8gertrude (12:23:06 AM): Why she would tell him, don't know.
spies8broderick (12:23:08 AM): oh lol
spies8cory (12:23:10 AM): (08:35:15 PM) spies8Cory: What is your role name
(08:35:21 PM) spies8kiara: security checkpoint
spies8chance (12:23:22 AM): alexei had a role?
spies8cory (12:23:24 AM): (08:36:31 PM) spies8kiara: savannah and alexia where round 3, gabriel was round 4, isaac was 5, lilith and magalie were 6. i get 1 each round, plus 1 more if i guess the alignment of the exiled player before sam announces it
spies8jenny (12:23:37 AM): Lol
spies8chance (12:23:38 AM): also that was a role in spies7.
Spies8Awohali (12:23:43 AM): Why are we making this role public?
spies8chance (12:23:45 AM): damn lag.
spies8jenny (12:23:50 AM): return of the jaiden.
spies8chance (12:24:00 AM): well, it would explain the zedekiah lynch, i guess.
spies8cory (12:24:28 AM): Yes. Lol, I said I was voting Kiara. I'm surprised there was no shock to my vote
Spies8Awohali (12:24:30 AM): It would indeed, but there are better ways to go about doing that than revealing yet another role.
spies8broderick (12:24:35 AM): See if they had roles and find out what roles they had
Spies8Awohali (12:24:36 AM): Especially after Allan quit.
spies8cory (12:24:52 AM): We're making it public because I am not convinced it's a Citizen role
spies8broderick (12:24:53 AM): uhm
spies8cory (12:25:08 AM): And it's not hugely useful
spies8chance (12:25:26 AM): i'm surprised magalie didn't have a role. i thought she was the spy messenger.
spies8chance (12:25:36 AM): no one got a spy message this round, right? i mean, i haven't heard one claimed.
spies8jenny (12:26:23 AM): Maybe they smartened up and realized their impression of Savanny was absolute crap.
spies8kiara (12:26:29 AM): ahh, talking about me i see :-P no, i did not claim to allan. only cory and owen. and for the record, sam said that in my alignment guessing neither was an option. so i knew there was some sort of 3rd party lurking somewhere. had no idea it was nita, and no idea if there is another.
Spies8Awohali (12:28:34 AM): It is possible for the role to go either way, for certain, even though it was a Citizen role in the last game, does not make it necessarily one in this game.
spies8kiara (12:29:04 AM): unfortunately thats true. but for what its worth im telling you its a cit role
spies8chance (12:29:27 AM): a note - in the last game, the security checkpoint could always choose two players.
spies8broderick (12:29:30 AM): i think the spy gg had a power like that
Spies8Awohali (12:29:34 AM): We shall have to determine that based on your merits.
Spies8Awohali (12:29:59 AM): A valid point, Chance
spies8kiara (12:30:09 AM): lol awohali, i though so far my merits were leaning cit for you?
Spies8Awohali (12:31:00 AM): You have been neutral for me throughout most of the game. I suspeced you slightly an episode or two ago, and you still remain on my second tier, but I thought that you were being wrongfully nominated this episode under bad reasoning
spies8kiara (12:31:36 AM): broderick, feel free you ask your questions here <3
spies8broderick (12:31:51 AM): how is this good for the town?
spies8broderick (12:31:55 AM): 'youd have to ask sam, he created it'
spies8broderick (12:32:04 AM): 'its your role. you should have some theory about it'
spies8jenny (12:32:05 AM): Well we know the vote fogger is dead.
spies8broderick (12:32:08 AM): lol
spies8chance (12:32:23 AM): well, we know two spies with roles are dead. if kiara's not llying.
spies8chance (12:32:27 AM): right?
spies8chance (12:32:32 AM): or did i miss something?
spies8cory (12:32:33 AM): Alexei, Isaac
spies8broderick (12:32:35 AM): No way to verify it yes
Spies8Awohali (12:32:40 AM): Indeed, that would be nice.
spies8broderick (12:32:44 AM): Had Allan stayed, it could of been verified
spies8chance (12:32:48 AM): kiara, do you know the exact roles of the dead players?
spies8kiara (12:33:00 AM): to answer that, there was a security checkpoint last game. there was also a role that let someone use dead roles. maybe thats out here somewhere to?
spies8kiara (12:33:11 AM): i know the name, and a brief description of what they do
spies8chance (12:33:20 AM): so you're sure isaac was the vote fog person?
spies8kiara (12:33:27 AM): positice
spies8kiara (12:33:30 AM): positive
spies8chance (12:33:33 AM): okay.
spies8broderick (12:33:41 AM): Do I sense a counterclaim?
spies8broderick (12:33:43 AM): lol
spies8claude (12:33:51 AM): He was 100% right.
spies8kiara (12:33:53 AM): no
spies8claude (12:33:57 AM): ...
spies8claude (12:33:58 AM): yes
spies8kiara (12:34:01 AM): no, let me explain
spies8gertrude (12:34:07 AM): What was his role's name, out of curiosity?
Spies8Awohali (12:34:08 AM): It... Seems like he would be.
spies8cory (12:34:13 AM): She said the timing was off
spies8cory (12:34:23 AM): She had the theory before she found out or sometihng
spies8kiara (12:34:33 AM): at the time it was a theory, and i posted it before imprisonment in case i was imprisoned. i got my results after imprisonment, confirming my theory
spies8kiara (12:34:51 AM): gerturde. isaac was cover up, alexie had foresight
spies8broderick (12:35:04 AM): foreskin
spies8kiara (12:35:11 AM): um, sure
spies8broderick (12:35:15 AM): *obligatory
spies8gertrude (12:35:22 AM): Not really.
spies8gertrude (12:35:24 AM): Thanks, Kiara.
spies8jenny (12:35:26 AM): Lexi's was apparently useless. He'd find out about how many votes were on him a little bit before exile.

Except he wasn't on at all at the time. Wow.
spies8chance (12:35:41 AM): wasn't perry the cover-up in spies 7?
spies8claude (12:35:44 AM): What a stupid role.
spies8kiara (12:35:54 AM): take it up with sam
spies8chance (12:35:56 AM): that role was different, tough...
spies8chance (12:35:59 AM): *though
spies8jenny (12:36:06 AM): Yeah, except he covered up alignments.
spies8claude (12:36:07 AM): Not yours, Kiara.
spies8broderick (12:36:08 AM): alignment cover-up
spies8claude (12:36:09 AM): Alexei's
spies8kiara (12:36:17 AM): my statement remains the same, lol
spies8jenny (12:36:26 AM): And claude, it's hardly a new role. Investigating dead players is usually called a mortician.
spies8jenny (12:36:27 AM): Oh his.
spies8broderick (12:36:35 AM): Is this a fake-claim?
spies8jenny (12:36:41 AM): Yeah ok, that I can agree a bit more on.
spies8broderick (12:36:43 AM): You seems to know spies role history enough
spies8kiara (12:36:47 AM): oh, and isaac could only cover the votes once per game, according to sam
Spies8Awohali (12:36:49 AM): I can see how it could be useful. In a situation where many votes were unknown and the race seemed close, it could have helped Zlexei out.
spies8chance (12:37:08 AM): perry could delay role actions too, though. i was just reading back and checking up on spies7 roles.
spies8broderick (12:37:17 AM): so where is the spy role role
spies8claude (12:37:24 AM): The logistics of Alexei's theoretical role bug me.
spies8broderick (12:37:26 AM): these are either personal or one time use
spies8chance (12:37:44 AM): spy messenger, brod.
spies8kiara (12:37:55 AM): well, isaac had a one time bonus of covering votes. his maine ability was delaying role actions
spies8broderick (12:38:12 AM): lol. why the delay in info?
spies8broderick (12:38:18 AM): why not say that @ the beginning
spies8kiara (12:38:22 AM): i did
spies8broderick (12:38:54 AM): Not the delay role action part
spies8kiara (12:39:08 AM): um, im pretty sure i did
spies8broderick (12:39:10 AM): Could you clarify that part, what you do mean delay role action?
spies8broderick (12:39:15 AM): quote it?
spies8kiara (12:39:19 AM): looking
Spies8Awohali (12:39:23 AM): I do not believe she can quote it directly.
spies8broderick (12:39:25 AM): I couldn't find it when i searched
spies8chance (12:39:29 AM): yeah, i was thinking that.
spies8broderick (12:39:32 AM): no, where she said it in chat
spies8chance (12:39:35 AM): ah.
Spies8Awohali (12:39:39 AM): Ah, about Perry?
spies8jenny (12:39:39 AM): I don't think she can quote it
spies8jenny (12:39:40 AM): Paraphrase.
spies8broderick (12:39:48 AM): Not talking about her role
spies8kiara (12:39:55 AM): hold on, hold on.
spies8chance (12:39:56 AM): in spies 7, perry could choose one person and delay all roleactions that happened to that person for one episode.
spies8broderick (12:39:59 AM): about where she said the 'delay action part' in the chat
Spies8Awohali (12:40:01 AM): Perry's role should be quotable.
spies8kiara (12:40:11 AM): let me first look to see where i said it.
spies8kiara (12:41:40 AM): spies8cory 9:37 pm
(9:37:41 PM): Did you hint at your role ever?
spies8kiara 9:38 pm
(9:38:43 PM): no. the closest would be that post i made about isaac being the one who covered up the votes. but i posted that before imprisonment because i didnt want it to be lost if i got imprisoned. sam doesnt give me the answer until after imprisonment. so at that point it was just a theory
(9:39:09 PM): btw, i was right. he also could pick one person each round and delay and role actions on them until next round
Spies8Awohali (12:41:40 AM): So Kiara, you are told the role name and the details of the role, correct?
spies8kiara (12:41:49 AM): i didnt say it here, i said it to cory. sorry
spies8kiara (12:41:57 AM): yes, awohali
spies8kiara (12:42:18 AM): the cliff note version, not what sam posted in their confessional
spies8broderick (12:42:18 AM): I might have proof of isaac's delay action ability
spies8broderick (12:42:20 AM): Maybe
spies8chance (12:42:29 AM): oh?
Spies8Awohali (12:42:33 AM): That would be interesting.
spies8gertrude (12:42:38 AM): Softclaim..?
spies8broderick (12:42:47 AM): No. SOmething Allan said to me
spies8gertrude (12:43:03 AM): What did he say?
spies8broderick (12:43:05 AM): When he was talking about getting a power. He said it wasn't delayed like a previous one or something
spies8jenny (12:43:18 AM): he was delayed in the claude one
spies8kiara (12:43:34 AM): i thought those happened in back to back rounds?
spies8jenny (12:43:37 AM): had to wait an episode for it.
spies8broderick (12:43:53 AM): I thought that was part of how his role worked
Spies8Awohali (12:43:59 AM): I did as well.
spies8kiara (12:44:02 AM): me too
spies8jenny (12:44:16 AM): He thought so too it sounds like.
spies8kiara (12:44:19 AM): since roles seem to be due at imprisonment, hed have to wait until the next one
Spies8Awohali (12:44:25 AM): It would not make sense otherwise, as he would get the power after the deadline to use it for the episode.
spies8kiara (12:44:32 AM): exactly
spies8broderick (12:44:40 AM): could the spies of feasibly imprisoned two people at once?
spies8jenny (12:44:42 AM): But thinking about the spy message thing, how fast was he able to show owen the copy of the message?
Spies8Awohali (12:44:44 AM): Good to see we are on the same page, Kiara.
spies8kiara (12:45:04 AM): i dont think so, imprisonment isnt a role action
spies8kiara (12:45:10 AM): sam said the delay was for roles
spies8broderick (12:45:15 AM): True
spies8kiara (12:45:32 AM): jenny, thats actually something that has been bothering me
spies8broderick (12:45:36 AM): i dont think he had to wait until the next episode for the message power
spies8kiara (12:46:11 AM): sam gave me no details about savannahs role other than she could send messages. so maybe that role is at will?
spies8broderick (12:48:48 AM): no i can only use them in the next eppi
spies8allan (00:20:34): but her role was a 1 round delay too
spies8allan (00:20:41): so hence the lag.... if u will
spies8broderick (12:49:17 AM): I think at that time he though the message came from Savannah. Though I never worked out if he got two messages or one
spies8broderick (12:49:45 AM): I asked him what he meant by 1 round delay, and he said nevermind
Spies8Awohali (12:50:07 AM): Allan was not particularly helpful.
spies8kiara (12:57:18 AM): no, sucks have a role bail on us
spies8chance (12:57:32 AM): yeah that bothers me.
spies8chance (12:57:43 AM): i wish sam would reassign his role.
spies8chance (12:57:45 AM): but he won't.
spies8broderick (12:58:39 AM): kinda lost its usefulness by being known
spies8kiara (12:58:42 AM): well, at least we know theres a spy messanger because of him. so, theres that
spies8chance (12:59:01 AM): i think jenny is still pissed off, though, and rightfully so.
spies8kiara (12:59:38 AM): jennys livid
spies8broderick (12:59:38 AM): could savannah of sent a message to a spy, and the spy sent one to allan?
spies8broderick (12:59:41 AM): Or not how it works?
spies8kiara (12:59:56 AM): im not sure how it works, didnt get that level of detail
spies8chance (12:59:59 AM): i think the spy would have to have the role.
spies8broderick (1:03:23 AM): Owen could ask yes, he got a message from Allan right
spies8gertrude (1:08:19 AM): From what I understand, if you get a message, you have ______ hours to respond to it.
spies8gertrude (1:08:25 AM): Not send another to whoever you want.
spies8kiara (1:08:41 AM): i thought it was 24, someone said
spies8gertrude (1:08:49 AM): Sure.
spies8gertrude (1:08:53 AM): I don't know.
spies8broderick (1:09:05 AM): Oh ok.
spies8chance (1:09:34 AM): i'm heading out, guys.
spies8chance (1:09:38 AM): see you tomorrow.
spies8broderick (1:09:39 AM): I'm just not sold on the spy messenger thing really. Allan was the only one to receive a message or did some one else?
spies8gertrude (1:09:48 AM): Owen did.
spies8broderick (1:10:09 AM): Other than from Allan?
Spies8Awohali (1:10:12 AM): Farewell, Chance.
spies8gertrude (1:10:19 AM): Yes, other than from Allan.

[Gertrude]

To break it down (please correct me if I'm wrong)...

Kiara
Security Checkpoint

Each round, Kiara can examine an eliminated player to see if they had a role. She gets an extra investigation per round if she correctly guesses the alignment (Spy, Citizen, or neither) of the player who is getting Exiled before Sam reveals their alignment. When she investigates someone who had a role, she gets the name of the role and basic role function.

Kiara's findings:

Round 3:

Savannah - Had a role called Messenger. She could send anonymous messages to players in the game.
Alexei - Had a role called Foresight. He could see how many votes were on him (but not whose votes they were) 30 minutes before Exile.


Round 4:

Gabriel - Had no role.


Round 5:

Isaac - Had a role called the Cover-up. He could delay role actions once per episode, and had a single-use only ability that could make all votes anonymous.


Round 6:

Lilith - Had no role.
Magalie - Had no role.

[Kiara]

only things i would add to that are the fact that when we were split into teams, i could only guess on my side's exile, and that for isaacs role he didnt pick a person who he thought was using the role but instead picked who he thought a role would be used on.

[Cory]

(03:13:48 PM) spies8Cory:
Episode One: 1 point( No Guess )
Episode Two: 2 points( Correct on Savannah )
Episode Three: 1 Point( Incorrect on Themba )
Episode Four: 1 Point( Incorrect on Isaac )
Episode Five: 2 Points( Correct on Magalie )
(03:14:06 PM) spies8Cory: Is that accurate?
(03:15:20 PM) spies8kiara: you can add zed in there, also. and the points would be for the following round. so the 2 points from guessing magalie were used in episode 6. but yes, that looks right.
(03:15:45 PM) spies8Cory: Why were only six investigations used then?
(03:15:49 PM) spies8Cory: Looks like you had seven points
(03:15:50 PM) spies8kiara: and the 1st point was never used, old kiara didnt check anyone round 2, and i cam in after imprisonment
(03:15:56 PM) spies8Cory: Ah
(03:15:58 PM) spies8Cory: So it was forfeit
(03:16:02 PM) spies8kiara: yes

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Exile One: 1 Point( No Guess ) {Point Not Redeemed}
Exile Two: 2 Points( Correct on Savannah )
- Used on Savannah
- Used on Alexei
Exile Three: 1 Point( Incorrect on Themba )
- Used on Gabriel
Exile Four: 1 Point( Incorrect on Isaac )
- Used on Isaac
Exile Five: 2 Points( Correct on Magalie )
- Used on Lilith
- Used on Magalie
Exile Six: 2 Points( Correct on Zedekiah )

[Kiara]

ok this is starting to bug me. people need to get their facts straight

spies8stephanie: i think kiara is a spy who gave it her best shot last night to save jenny

please show me anywhere that i tried to save jenny

Thursday, July 29, 2010
spies8kiara (6:49:22 PM): omgomgomg
spies8claude (6:49:28 PM): ?
spies8kiara (6:49:41 PM): awohali lied!
spies8claude (6:49:49 PM): ...
spies8kiara (6:49:55 PM): awohali did not have a role
spies8claude (6:50:20 PM): Probably still going to lynch Jenny today.
spies8kiara (6:50:40 PM): oh i still think shes scummy as hell, but im shocked

if i was trying to convince people that jenny wasnt a spy, i sure rolled over real quick there. so um, yeah.... no. not what happened.

spies8jasmine: Do you think a lot of people are then going to jump on Kiara? I think they will, and I think it's rightful...she'd need a good reason of why she said Awohali didn't havea role, when he did.

i have a great reason, actually! thats what i was told. i mean, seriously, what the heck else am i suppose to say to that?

spies8cinnamyn: my gut sez kiara bcuz after she iz given an invite gert diez

no. after i was invited, cory died. and if i was a spy (warning: wifom) i never would have done that. i went from being exiled to being invited to a trust group within the span of 60 minutes. i would have used my new found friends to cause as many misexiles as possible before taking out anyone from that group

spies8jasmine: Dane said to me earlier that he thought maybe awohali became a citizen after he used his one time role.
spies8jasmine: like he didnt have a role anymore, so that could be a reason kiara's role said he was roleless.
spies8jasmine: But I think it's still bs. I think Kiara is full of shiz if Jenny ends up being a sp.
spies8jasmine: spy*

i did my homework. this isnt something new to spies.

spies 1 - sage the psychic

You can only save one person in the entire game. Once you save them, you will cease to be a Psychic and will return to a normal Citizen.

spies 2 - karl the psychic

As of now your Psychic abilities have been lost, and you no longer will receive any information about future Imprisonments. You will no longer be identified as a Psychic for purposes of future investigations.

spies 6 - gabriela the taskmaster

If you successfully move a role around, you will NOT be told this. Despite your ignorance, you will then immediately lose all of your powers and become a regular Citizen. You can only successfully switch people's roles once. As soon as you actually change people's roles, you lose this power forever, though you will not be told that your future selections are pointless.

spies 7 - irulan the doctor

Once you successfully save one person, you lose your powers and become a normal citizen, so choose wisely.

spies8broderick: I still dont understand why Kiara was believed so easily and told so easily. Like she claimed thirty minutes before that exile, and she knew about chance and gert before Zed was exiled.

incorrect. the round before tina told me that there was a power role, and bad things would happen if allan received any votes. i did not learn that it was a copy of the role i was messing with, that it was gert performing the role, what the role actually was, and that she was masons with chance who had a complementing role until after zed's exile. in fact, up until that point i was working under that (false) assumption that the person giving exile immunity was a spy.

spies8broderick 6:54 pm
K. Well I asked Sam a couple episodes ago if role holders were bound by the team division.
He said no

much like with awohali coming up without a role despite his claim, theres precedent to this too

spies 6 - mei yun the astrologer

Oh I forgot, in Episodes with multiple Exiles:

- If the game is divided into teams, then you must only guess the alignment of the person who is Exiled in your team. If that person is saved by Ariel then you can pick one other person of your choice to guess the alignment of.

- If the game isn't divided into teams but there are more than one person being Exiled per Episode, then you can pick one of them to guess their alignment.

[Broderick]

Why was there never a correction in the chat? If you didn't find out until after the Exile, then why would Chance always say that it happened before?

Did you do all of this homework before claiming your role?

Did you asked Sam about whether or not Awohali would've turned up as having a role if it was a one-use type of thing?

[Kiara]

because at the time you said that no one from the heaven and hell group was there to correct you. if chance did say that he was mistaken.

no. all of this was done today

no. i havent gotten an answer from sam yet. on my mobile at work now so asking is difficult.

[Broderick]

He said it at least twice that I know of, after Gertrude was imprisoned. So it was before I said that statement that you quoted.

spies8chance (18:19:6): kiara knew about gertie and i from just before the zedekiah exile on.
spies8broderick (18:22:10): how come?
spies8chance (18:22:25): general consensus of the group at the time - we all thought she was cit.

From Thursday Night.

[Jasmine]

Sam changed the banner, so if you asked him..I wouldn't doubt you got an answer by now? ...? Anyone?