E2: Conversations

[Bizarrondak]

spies8stephanie (9:24:27 PM): hey rondak
spies8stephanie (9:24:35 PM): i do see you
spies8rondak (9:24:38 PM): Greetings.
spies8stephanie (9:24:44 PM): so you just forgot??
spies8rondak (9:24:49 PM): Yes, lass.
spies8rondak (9:24:57 PM): There's nothing else I can really say. That's that. Believe it or not.
spies8rondak (9:25:04 PM): *shrugs*
spies8stephanie (9:25:20 PM): well, i will have to believe it for now
spies8rondak (9:25:33 PM): *nods* Sure.
spies8stephanie (9:26:35 PM): i am feeling a lot less sure of my opinions this exile
spies8rondak (9:26:49 PM): Yes, lass, me too.
spies8stephanie (9:26:59 PM): last time i was really sure about dane being scum
spies8rondak (9:27:09 PM): I think Alexei was a pretty easy decision for me. *shrugs*
spies8stephanie (9:27:16 PM): tho i might have changed my vote if i had been around sunday
spies8rondak (9:28:22 PM): To whom?
spies8stephanie (9:28:33 PM): first to alex
spies8rondak (9:28:47 PM): And then have to face accusations of bussing?
spies8rondak (9:28:50 PM): *chuckles*
spies8stephanie (9:28:57 PM): then probably to zeke for the HQ remark
spies8rondak (9:29:02 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (9:29:18 PM): Zeke still stands out for me *shrugs*
spies8stephanie (9:29:55 PM): he is certainly suspicious
spies8stephanie (9:30:18 PM): but i have a hard time reconciling alex the spy attacking him on night one
spies8rondak (9:30:34 PM): *nods*
spies8stephanie (9:31:28 PM): so have you decided who to vote for yet?
spies8rondak (9:31:36 PM): No.
spies8rondak (9:31:41 PM): I'm hoping events tonight will change my mind.
spies8rondak (9:31:59 PM): I hope I can get off work in time to read over everything tomorrow.
spies8stephanie (9:33:11 PM): i have a bunch of people that give me bad vibes, but nothing concrete on anyone
spies8rondak (9:33:29 PM): So have you decided?
spies8stephanie (9:33:52 PM): i was wavering between you and savannah
spies8rondak (9:34:10 PM): Why me?
spies8stephanie (9:34:14 PM): i still don't like that you conveniently forgot about bussing
spies8rondak (9:34:24 PM): Okay.
spies8stephanie (9:34:27 PM): but i do like your simple explanation
spies8rondak (9:35:35 PM): Well, I do not know what else to say.
spies8stephanie (9:35:38 PM): i've read my few logs with savannah so much i almost can recite them
spies8stephanie (9:35:58 PM): there's really nothing particularly suspicious there, but
spies8rondak (9:36:54 PM): But?
spies8stephanie (9:37:04 PM): i still get vibes from her much like from alex
spies8stephanie (9:37:18 PM): like she has just been looking for a wagon
spies8rondak (9:37:37 PM): Yeah, I haven't talked a lot with her.
spies8rondak (9:37:53 PM): and what makes me suspicious?
spies8rondak (9:37:56 PM): the bussing thing?
spies8stephanie (9:37:59 PM): yep
spies8rondak (9:38:05 PM): that's it?
spies8stephanie (9:38:12 PM): mostly
spies8rondak (9:38:17 PM): anything else?
spies8stephanie (9:38:41 PM): i disagree with nita. i think the spies voted alex.
spies8rondak (9:38:57 PM): so, then, you think I could be a spy?
spies8stephanie (9:39:34 PM): so looking at who voted alex, your name pops up
spies8rondak (9:39:51 PM): why did the spies vote alexei?
spies8stephanie (9:39:53 PM): and looking at who claimed not to know what bussing was, your name pops up again
spies8stephanie (9:40:15 PM): i think it was obvious that alex was going to be lynched
spies8rondak (9:40:15 PM): so because I'm new to mafia, and don't know what bussing is, and since i voted for the correct Spy, i'm suspicious.
spies8rondak (9:40:22 PM): was it?
spies8stephanie (9:40:27 PM): i thought so
spies8stephanie (9:40:33 PM): owen disagrees with me
spies8rondak (9:40:37 PM): i thought it was between zek and alexei
spies8rondak (9:41:24 PM): could you answer my previous statement, though?
spies8rondak (9:41:52 PM): spies8rondak (9:40:15 PM): so because I'm new to mafia, and don't know what bussing is, and since i voted for the correct Spy, i'm suspicious.
spies8stephanie (9:43:04 PM): no. because i explained bussing to you last week, and then you claimed not to know what it was, and were a possible busser
spies8rondak (9:43:19 PM): but you believe that I forgot it, right?
spies8stephanie (9:43:55 PM): i'm willing to believe you for the time being
spies8rondak (9:44:02 PM): okay.
spies8stephanie (9:44:47 PM): but that leaves me with savannah
spies8rondak (9:45:09 PM): no, it leaves you with everyone.
spies8stephanie (9:45:14 PM): and i am suspicious of her, but i just wish i could put my finger on something concrete
spies8rondak (9:45:19 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (9:45:31 PM): as do I. it seems like this is largely gut, which is fairly bothersome.
spies8stephanie (10:09:15 PM): sorry i think you are getting stuck in the middle of this
spies8stephanie (10:09:22 PM): this is really a gripe i have with nita
spies8rondak (10:09:24 PM): *shrugs*
spies8rondak (10:09:41 PM): It's fine, really. I just want other people's thoughts on your suspicion.
spies8rondak (10:09:47 PM): And so I decided to bring it up now.
spies8stephanie (10:09:58 PM): and i think it's good
spies8stephanie (10:10:28 PM): it's just that nita is convinced that looking for bussers is stupid
spies8stephanie (10:10:37 PM): and she discounts anyone who does
spies8rondak (10:10:37 PM): It's obviously not that black and white.
spies8stephanie (10:10:59 PM): i agree
spies8stephanie (10:11:39 PM): but i am not going to totally discount arguments by saying they have no "proof"

[Bizarrondak]

spies8Nita (8:15:11 PM): Hola Rondak
spies8rondak (8:15:17 PM): Greetings.
spies8rondak (8:15:21 PM): How are you, lass?
spies8Nita (8:15:27 PM): Muy bien, and you?
spies8rondak (8:16:05 PM): Decent. Tired. About to sleep at the Blue Face in a few.
spies8Nita (8:16:46 PM): I no know what that mean
spies8Nita (8:16:50 PM): Elf thing?
spies8rondak (8:16:56 PM): Blue Face is my inn, yes.
spies8rondak (8:17:01 PM): I own it and bartend when not adventuring.
spies8Nita (8:17:03 PM): Interestin name
spies8rondak (8:17:30 PM): Thank you, there is a long history behind it.
spies8Nita (8:18:39 PM): Maybe some other time since you gonna sleep soon
spies8Nita (8:18:48 PM): Exile in two days, si? Any thoughts?
spies8rondak (8:18:50 PM): *nods* Sure.
spies8rondak (8:18:57 PM): Right now, I'm leaning towards Zed.
spies8rondak (8:19:21 PM): His actions the last round were too odd to ignore.
spies8Nita (8:19:40 PM): LIke what?
spies8Nita (8:19:45 PM): Just want to know what you thinkin
spies8rondak (8:19:49 PM): The HQ slip, of course.
spies8rondak (8:20:12 PM): And his whole debacle with the two hours of not talking to anyone after roles were given.
spies8rondak (8:20:30 PM): What are your thoughts?
spies8Nita (8:21:20 PM): I like his post today
spies8Nita (8:21:25 PM): I think he's worth keepin round
spies8Nita (8:21:37 PM): Y I no see why HQ thing is a big deal
spies8rondak (8:21:47 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (8:21:52 PM): Then who is your target?
spies8Nita (8:22:14 PM): Ain't got a target yet if you mean who Nita votin for. Got some suspects
spies8rondak (8:22:31 PM): Sure, I'll take those. *chuckles*
spies8Nita (8:23:29 PM): Thinkin of Themba some, Savannah some, they my main two. Also lookin at you a little y Jenny a little
spies8rondak (8:23:39 PM): Why me?
spies8Nita (8:23:49 PM): I know my case had problems senor
spies8Nita (8:23:52 PM): I know it wasn't perfect
spies8Nita (8:24:04 PM): You post y say it's great y I was worried
spies8rondak (8:24:27 PM): Well, to be fair -- and you can ask Owen about this, and check the chat logs, but I had suspicions before hand.
spies8rondak (8:24:55 PM): He really rubbed me the wrong way, and so when you put the case together, which was very good -- by my judgement (which, obviously, is not that excellent), I piggybacked onto it.
spies8Nita (8:25:15 PM): I also no know if you lookin at anyone else at the time, or if you just go "this look good, my work is done"
spies8rondak (8:25:31 PM): I'm sorry, I do not really know how to do "work."
spies8Nita (8:25:37 PM): Hambone said that too
spies8Nita (8:25:41 PM): He y I workin on it
spies8rondak (8:25:51 PM): Really?
spies8rondak (8:25:57 PM): *chuckles* This is the first time I've heard of it.
spies8Nita (8:25:59 PM): Sure
spies8Nita (8:26:02 PM): He post today too
spies8Nita (8:26:11 PM): Askin what to look for etc
spies8rondak (8:26:31 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (8:26:35 PM): Alright, I will look at it.
spies8Nita (8:26:45 PM): I willin to help you
spies8Nita (8:26:48 PM): Anyone else here would too
spies8Nita (8:26:53 PM): Tina's good
spies8rondak (8:26:57 PM): Well, to be frank, I feel really put off by your suspicion of me.
spies8rondak (8:27:05 PM): And I'm not sure how to react to it?
spies8Nita (8:27:59 PM): I ain't the first y I ain't gonna be the last
spies8rondak (8:28:25 PM): *nods*
spies8Nita (8:28:25 PM): It's part of the game chico
spies8rondak (8:28:28 PM): I understand that.
spies8Nita (8:28:33 PM): So you could say "why?" y we talk about it
spies8Nita (8:28:45 PM): Just never give up no matter what, bien? No like Alexei
spies8Nita (8:28:50 PM): Unless you a spy, then you can die
spies8rondak (8:28:52 PM): But for you to describe your suspicion of me, and then offer advice simultaneously, sat odd on me.
spies8rondak (8:29:02 PM): I'm not going to give up, neither am I spy.
spies8Nita (8:29:17 PM): I offer advice because I new to mafia too once
spies8Nita (8:29:20 PM): Y I new to spies
spies8rondak (8:29:23 PM): I'm just getting used to it.
spies8Nita (8:29:25 PM): So I"m askin for help all the time too
spies8rondak (8:29:27 PM): And Hambone, I think, has played mafia before.
spies8rondak (8:29:33 PM): Or at least he looks like he has. *shrugs*
spies8rondak (8:30:02 PM): I hate to use it as a crutch, I really do, but this game started so fast that I've never really been able to catch up with it.
spies8Nita (8:30:13 PM): Si, yo comprendo, I know how you feel
spies8Nita (8:30:23 PM): My first mafia game, I play with my big loud family y I no get a word in edgewise
spies8rondak (8:30:30 PM): *nods*
spies8Nita (8:30:31 PM): Kept my mouth shut the whole game
spies8Nita (8:30:35 PM): Y that almost never happen
spies8rondak (8:30:45 PM): *chuckles* Yeah.
spies8Nita (8:31:15 PM): So part of the game is findin out who's tryin to mislead you
spies8Nita (8:31:30 PM): You gotta ask yourself, who puttin up these Zedekiah opinins?
spies8Nita (8:31:33 PM): Y do I trust them?
spies8rondak (8:31:37 PM): *nods*
spies8Nita (8:31:37 PM): They makin good cases or bad ones?
spies8Nita (8:31:47 PM): I catch Alexei because his cases, they full of lies, wrong info, y exaggerations
spies8rondak (8:31:49 PM): To be honest, there are only three people that I talk to individually.
spies8rondak (8:32:09 PM): Many I have not spoken to much individually, even if at all.
spies8Nita (8:32:21 PM): You should do that, no?
spies8rondak (8:32:29 PM): I know, I have just been really busy lately.
spies8Nita (8:32:37 PM): I find out Alexei's cases, the ones with the lies, wrong info, y exaggerations by talkin to him
spies8rondak (8:32:44 PM): And when I'm here, I end up not really being here all the way.
spies8Nita (8:32:45 PM): Everything he say to me in that 1 convo is what I catch
spies8Nita (8:32:51 PM): We just talk once but that enough
spies8rondak (8:33:00 PM): True, but you are far more experienced than I.
spies8Nita (8:33:04 PM): I ain't, I promise
spies8Nita (8:33:24 PM): Just after sayin to myself "that ain't right" a bunch o times made me go "maybe he's lyin so much cause he's a spy"
spies8rondak (8:33:50 PM): Right.
spies8rondak (8:33:57 PM): I believe that there is really no good reason for a citizen to lie.
spies8rondak (8:34:05 PM): Hence why the Zed thing struck me as odd.
spies8Nita (8:34:13 PM): Bout loggin off?
spies8rondak (8:34:18 PM): *nods*
spies8Nita (8:34:28 PM): Is that really the kind of thing that's worth lyin bout?
spies8rondak (8:34:44 PM): I do not know.
spies8Nita (8:35:51 PM): Why you think that's somethin that needs to be covered up?
spies8rondak (8:36:14 PM): Well, I'm not sure how much the Spies discuss with one another.
spies8rondak (8:36:31 PM): But since he was online, and not idle, he could very well be talking to the Spies.
spies8Nita (8:37:12 PM): Si, es posible
spies8Nita (8:37:25 PM): So that could have been goin on, right after the spies they meet each other
spies8rondak (8:37:40 PM): Especially since this was before teams.
spies8Nita (8:37:44 PM): They excited, want to talk privately
spies8Nita (8:37:45 PM): Si
spies8Nita (8:37:54 PM): So why the hombre not go invisible to hide?
spies8rondak (8:38:04 PM): I do not know.
spies8rondak (8:38:24 PM): Ask him. *chuckles* From my understanding, Spy assignments are assigned randomly.
spies8Nita (8:38:29 PM): Si
spies8rondak (8:38:29 PM): And intelligence is not a requirement.
spies8Nita (8:38:38 PM): If Allan is a spy ...
spies8Nita (8:38:46 PM): I
spies8Nita (8:38:48 PM): I'm makin a joke
spies8rondak (8:38:52 PM): I have never seen this Allan fellow.
spies8Nita (8:39:01 PM): Maybe you never will?
spies8rondak (8:39:08 PM): *chuckles*
spies8rondak (8:39:17 PM): To have two Spies give up, though, almost seems too unlucky.
spies8rondak (8:39:21 PM): Erm, lucky.
spies8Nita (8:39:53 PM): Si
spies8rondak (8:39:55 PM): And, although that's not a good barometer or evidence.. yeah.
spies8Nita (8:39:57 PM): So you look at Alexei
spies8Nita (8:39:59 PM): You know he a spy
spies8Nita (8:40:07 PM): He seem legit in his suspicions of Zedekiah?
spies8Nita (8:40:13 PM): Like he tryin to push that case?
spies8rondak (8:40:18 PM): If you look at the public chat.
spies8rondak (8:40:21 PM): He was a fence sitter.
spies8Nita (8:40:22 PM): Or like he no really care bout it because he know Zedekiah also a spy?
spies8rondak (8:40:31 PM): Until, I think, his name was mentioned as a suspicion.
spies8rondak (8:41:08 PM): So. I think it's legitimate that Alexei could have gone after Zed.
spies8Nita (8:41:20 PM): Like a spy tryin to put suspicions onto a citizen?
spies8Nita (8:41:26 PM): That kinda what it look like to me
spies8rondak (8:41:33 PM): Or a Spy trying to cover up for another Spy.
spies8rondak (8:41:38 PM): Since either or appeared to be cornered.
spies8Nita (8:41:39 PM): That's why I started lookin at him in the first place
spies8Nita (8:41:45 PM): You think he was cornered at that point?
spies8rondak (8:42:04 PM): Well, no, but I think that there was a general consensus that one or the other could be going home, right?
spies8Nita (8:42:48 PM): When Alexei go after Zedekiah, it was second day of the game
spies8Nita (8:42:54 PM): Still 3 days or somethin till exile
spies8Nita (8:43:12 PM): Ain't no consensus at that point
spies8rondak (8:43:18 PM): Ah.
spies8rondak (8:43:24 PM): Then, I appeared to have my timelines mixed up.
spies8rondak (8:43:56 PM): I really need a day off work so I can simply read over everything again.
spies8Nita (8:44:05 PM): I no think you need to read everythin
spies8Nita (8:44:12 PM): Sayin something like that sets you up for failure
spies8Nita (8:44:21 PM): You ain't gonna do it cause there too much
spies8rondak (8:44:42 PM): *shrugs* I certainly can. If I have the time.
spies8rondak (8:44:56 PM): I work 12-14 hours a day and try to get on here while I'm doing other stuff.
spies8Nita (8:45:42 PM): But if you want to see the part bout Zedekiah loggin off I think it be here: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gop&thread=293&page=1#1001
spies8rondak (8:45:45 PM): Maybe this was too much of a commitment, I don't know. But I'm not goign to give up.
spies8Nita (8:46:16 PM): Beginnin here: [21:03] spies8jenny: How come you waited so long to talk with people last night?
spies8rondak (8:46:29 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (8:46:30 PM): I was there.
spies8Nita (8:46:35 PM): If you go back y read it, look at Alexei
spies8Nita (8:46:53 PM): Y decide for yourself if you think he tryin to attack a citizen full-on or a spy without much enthusiasm
spies8rondak (8:47:18 PM): Well, what would a Spy do in that situation?
spies8Nita (8:47:54 PM): It's hard to say cause everybody be different, right?
spies8Nita (8:48:00 PM): But okay, let's say you y me, we're spies
spies8rondak (8:48:00 PM): Right.
spies8rondak (8:48:08 PM): Then it's hard to really use that as the evidence that Z is not a spy.
spies8Nita (8:48:08 PM): Jenny askin me questions
spies8Nita (8:48:18 PM): Then Tina say "Hey Rondak, what you think?"
spies8Nita (8:48:50 PM): You gonna attack me with everythin you got, sayin there be a real case there y sayin I"m suspicious?
spies8rondak (8:49:07 PM): Well, to be fair, Alexei looked to be fence-sitting in that chat, right?
spies8Nita (8:49:10 PM): No
spies8Nita (8:49:27 PM): [21:23] spies8tina: Alexei, what is your thought on all this?
[21:24] spies8alexei: I think there is no reson for him not to talk, judging by what I heard
spies8Nita (8:49:35 PM): [21:25] spies8alexei: either way, I think it's suspicious
spies8Nita (8:49:57 PM): [21:33] spies8alexei: so, you're telling me you weren't too busy to browse the internet, but you were too busy to talk to us
[21:33] spies8alexei: ??
[21:33] spies8rondak: *nods*
[21:33] spies8zedekiah: not busy, lazy
[21:34] spies8gabriel: ahuhhhh...
[21:34] spies8alexei: ...
spies8rondak (8:50:03 PM): *nods* I was under the impression that's what he did from Owen's comments.
spies8Nita (8:50:14 PM): So he goin after Zedekiah
spies8rondak (8:50:22 PM): Is he?
spies8Nita (8:50:30 PM): You read it for yourself when you have time, you decide
spies8Nita (8:50:41 PM): My option: Yeah. I look at that chat y I say "dang, this hombre wants blood"
spies8rondak (8:50:52 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (8:50:55 PM): I will.
spies8Nita (8:51:10 PM): Tina y yo talk bout it here: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=gop&thread=293&page=1#1002
spies8rondak (8:51:41 PM): *nods*
spies8Nita (8:51:45 PM): Startin here
spies8Nita (8:51:46 PM): [00:12] spies8tina: Much more interested in a move against someone like alexei.
[00:12] spies8tina: Mayyyyybe savannah.
spies8Nita (8:52:49 PM): So what you need to know to have good conversations with people?
spies8rondak (8:52:59 PM): *shrugs*
spies8rondak (8:53:02 PM): I think, my problem, honestly.
spies8rondak (8:53:10 PM): Is that I expected to this to be more character-driven.
spies8rondak (8:53:14 PM): But it was game from the get-go.
spies8Nita (8:53:28 PM): Everybody like your character
spies8Nita (8:53:35 PM): You cute
spies8Nita (8:53:38 PM): y funny
spies8rondak (8:53:41 PM): Well, yes, but I try to discuss stuff about my character.
spies8rondak (8:53:54 PM): And nobody seems interested, they go straight to game.
spies8Nita (8:54:17 PM): My guess is as the game go on, there be more fun y character things
spies8Nita (8:54:21 PM): Also you gotta balance the two
spies8Nita (8:54:29 PM): We ain't here to play dressup, we here to play mafia
spies8rondak (8:54:35 PM): *chuckles*
spies8rondak (8:54:50 PM): I guess, I suppose. Probably the real problem is that I don't know how to play the latter.
spies8rondak (8:54:56 PM): And want to play the former. *chuckles*
spies8Nita (8:55:03 PM): You do both though
spies8Nita (8:55:08 PM): Usin your words n stuff
spies8Nita (8:55:21 PM): Talkin bout mafia from the point of view of an elf
spies8rondak (8:55:29 PM): *nods*
spies8Nita (8:55:39 PM): Gettin good one liners in as an elf
spies8Nita (8:55:55 PM): Initiatin fun conversation in the group chat so people relax y have a good time
spies8Nita (8:55:58 PM): That can be one of your jobs, no?
spies8rondak (8:56:06 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (8:56:17 PM): That sounds like a solid idea, yes.
spies8Nita (8:56:50 PM): People like you y gonna respond to you
spies8Nita (8:56:55 PM): But you gotta give us somethin to respond to
spies8Nita (8:57:00 PM): y that includes talkin bout the game
spies8rondak (8:57:05 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (8:57:16 PM): I guess, my fear, is that I will draw suspicion by saying something stupid.
spies8rondak (8:57:32 PM): And I want to last far in this game, you know? Once my work schedule gets less busy, at least.
spies8Nita (8:57:36 PM): You gotta be a brave little elf. You say somethin stupid, you can't go runnin away cryin
spies8Nita (8:57:41 PM): You stand up for yourself
spies8Nita (8:57:57 PM): You can do that?
spies8rondak (8:58:00 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (8:58:02 PM): I did some last night.
spies8rondak (8:58:08 PM): When Savannah accused me of being a Spy.
spies8Nita (8:58:11 PM): Then say anythin you want, y if it stupid, that okay, you can defend yourself
spies8rondak (8:58:25 PM): *nodS*
spies8Nita (8:58:32 PM): Allan try to say somethin stupid bout me that wasn't true
spies8Nita (8:58:41 PM): So I stood up for myself, no one gets an attitude with Nita
spies8rondak (8:59:00 PM): *nods*
spies8Nita (8:59:20 PM): So what you gonna try to do this round? You got a strategy?
spies8rondak (8:59:41 PM): I would like to talk to everyone, I suppose.
spies8Nita (9:00:21 PM): You have any ideas what you gonna ask bout?
spies8rondak (9:00:55 PM): Character info.
spies8rondak (9:00:59 PM): General suspicions.
spies8rondak (9:01:12 PM): Try and get a good idea of where everyone's head is at.
spies8Nita (9:01:31 PM): Sounds good
spies8Nita (9:01:37 PM): Y how you gonna find spies?
spies8rondak (9:02:11 PM): By talking individually, I hope, and to get reads on people.
spies8Nita (9:03:49 PM): Good
spies8Nita (9:04:01 PM): Maybe you also look for people votin withut any good reason
spies8Nita (9:04:10 PM): Or people giving half answers or avoiding questions
spies8rondak (9:04:11 PM): *chuckles*
spies8rondak (9:04:14 PM): Like me, I suppose?
spies8Nita (9:04:23 PM): You thought you had a good reason, no?
spies8rondak (9:04:43 PM): I did.
spies8Nita (9:05:19 PM): So make sure you explainin it well y then you have no problems
spies8Nita (9:05:27 PM): Also make sure you ain't doin too much piggybackin
spies8Nita (9:05:33 PM): That you thinkin bout things for yourself
spies8rondak (9:06:55 PM): *nods*
spies8Nita (9:07:19 PM): maybe read this
spies8Nita (9:07:21 PM): www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Mneme%27s_Guide_to_Vote_Analysis
spies8rondak (9:08:46 PM): Thank you.
spies8rondak (9:08:47 PM): I will.
spies8rondak (9:10:24 PM): Anyways.
spies8rondak (9:10:28 PM): I'm going to go to bed now.
spies8rondak (9:10:34 PM): Good night, and thank you.
spies8Nita (9:10:35 PM): Buenas noches Rondak
spies8Nita (9:10:40 PM): De nada.

[Bizarrondak]

spies8jenny (8:40:33 PM): Hi Rondie!
spies8rondak (8:40:48 PM): Greetings.
spies8jenny (8:40:48 PM): You left before you answered my question before, who've you got for suspicions? Or town reads?
spies8rondak (8:41:03 PM): I do not know, really.
spies8rondak (8:41:15 PM): I asked Nita last night about how to suspect people.
spies8rondak (8:41:33 PM): And she gave me some tips. Unfortunately, I just got off work about 20 minutes ago, and I have to be up in 7 hours to go back in.
spies8jenny (8:41:43 PM): You mean what makes people suspicious?
spies8rondak (8:41:47 PM): *nods*
spies8jenny (8:41:54 PM): Because I wouldn't think you need to learn how to think.
spies8rondak (8:42:01 PM): Hm?
spies8jenny (8:42:37 PM): You said you weren't sure "How to be suspicious". As opposed to "What to be suspicious of."
spies8rondak (8:42:48 PM): Oh, sorry. I'm beat.
spies8jenny (8:43:12 PM): If you had to pick someone though, who would you decide on?
spies8rondak (8:43:22 PM): Zed, I suppose.
spies8rondak (8:44:13 PM): I really do not know what to do, and I feel like I am useless to the team.
spies8rondak (8:44:40 PM): And now people have started to confront me about it, and I still don't know what ot do.
spies8jenny (8:46:46 PM): You mind if I ask a couple things?
spies8rondak (8:46:50 PM): Sure.
spies8jenny (8:47:03 PM): What made you interested in the game, and did you look up anything to get ready for it?
spies8rondak (8:47:10 PM): I played in Sam's Survivor series.
spies8rondak (8:47:23 PM): And no, I have not played mafia or looked into it before.
spies8jenny (8:48:43 PM): Alright, well imagine if you will that you're in survivor, and you know because of how voting has gone the last few days, there is an alliance out there that is trying to run the game, but you are unsure of who it is, and you know nobody will admit to being in it because everyone is supposedly worried about this alliance and want them gone.
spies8jenny (8:48:50 PM): What would you do to try to figure out who was in it?
spies8rondak (8:49:10 PM): Well, that's really not a good analogy. Alliances are usually pretty transparent.
spies8jenny (8:49:22 PM): I know, but it's been forever since I've watched survivor.
spies8rondak (8:49:27 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (8:49:41 PM): It's something that takes getting used to, this.
spies8rondak (8:50:03 PM): I feel overwhelmed in the game, and I'm hoping for a early day or two at work to catch u[.
spies8rondak (8:51:27 PM): Anyways, I already went on this schpeel last night and I haven't progressed from it.
spies8jenny (8:51:37 PM): Ok well pretend that somehow this is the best hidden survivor alliance in the history of the game, and the entire island wants to get rid of them first because everyone is worried about getting voted out by them out of nowhere, and you have to figure out who it is before you get voted out.
spies8rondak (8:52:23 PM): I guess my problem is, too.
spies8rondak (8:52:29 PM): That I'm too much in Survivor mode.
spies8rondak (8:52:32 PM): i.e. surviving
spies8rondak (8:52:38 PM): and not putting my head out to make arguments, etc.
spies8rondak (8:52:51 PM): because I'm not sure if I can handle the pressure, or whatever.
spies8jenny (8:53:24 PM): Yeah, as much as I'm trying to give you a survivor analogy, you really don''t want to play this game like it's survivor.
spies8jenny (8:54:18 PM): Because you have to worry less about popularity and being liked by others, and more about finding specific people.
spies8rondak (8:54:28 PM): Yep.
spies8jenny (8:56:13 PM): If you are really really really getting stuck.
spies8jenny (8:56:56 PM): www.epicmafia.com

It's a much simpler version of mafia, that you can learn the basics on. Although I will warn you that they are a bit more role focused there, and no exile is more viable on those games because of the smaller sized games.
spies8jenny (8:57:12 PM): games usually only take about 15 minutes.
spies8rondak (8:57:22 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (8:57:29 PM): Okay, thanks. I'll try to play some tomorrow, then.
spies8jenny (8:57:47 PM): It's not perfect, but at least it should help you get an idea of what to look for.
spies8jenny (8:57:56 PM): I'd say look for games with as few special roles as possible.
spies8jenny (8:58:05 PM): Ones with a lot of roles tend to have a set strategy to them already.
spies8jenny (8:58:15 PM): And that's not going to help you as much.
spies8rondak (8:58:34 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (8:58:35 PM): Okay.
spies8rondak (8:59:02 PM): I thought about, though, since this Kiara situation ..
spies8rondak (8:59:33 PM): Maybe asking to be replaced. I'm a terrible citizen, but I am one. And maybe someone could take over for me.
spies8jenny (9:02:21 PM): There's been worse.
spies8rondak (9:02:38 PM): Well, right. I just feel bad.
spies8jenny (9:03:16 PM): No trust me. Unless you can beat claiming mafia and are voted out and revealed to be a citizen, you are hardly the worst.
spies8rondak (9:03:33 PM): *chuckles*
spies8rondak (9:03:46 PM): I guess so.
spies8rondak (9:03:52 PM): But I'm not doing much to help, anyways.
spies8jenny (9:04:38 PM): Well let's try breaking things down a bit.

What do you think about.... let's go with Nita.
spies8rondak (9:04:58 PM): She seems very helpful to me, and has very good reads on people.
spies8rondak (9:05:33 PM): The whole Alexei thing was good (and gave me reason to piggyback my own suspicions of Alexei) and she's encouraged me, similar to you, to learn mafia better.
spies8rondak (9:05:44 PM): I think she is a citizen.
spies8jenny (9:06:20 PM): Okies, how about.... Hammy?
spies8rondak (9:06:46 PM): He says he hasn't played Spies before, or mafia.
spies8rondak (9:06:50 PM): I do not think that is true.
spies8rondak (9:07:25 PM): He seems very on his feet and knowledgeable, admittedly, this is compared to me. He may just be more of a intelligent person than I am.
spies8jenny (9:08:16 PM): So for now, Citizen, Spy, or Not Sure?
spies8rondak (9:08:39 PM): Not sure.
spies8rondak (9:09:41 PM): Leaning towards Citizen, though.
spies8rondak (9:10:02 PM): Simply because of the Alexei vote.
spies8jenny (9:10:12 PM): Okies, how about Owen?
spies8rondak (9:10:25 PM): Very personable, moreso than anyone, I think.
spies8rondak (9:10:36 PM): And while those aren't grounds for suspicion, if he was a Spy, he would be a excellent one.
spies8rondak (9:10:57 PM): However, I think his involvement with the Alexei case lands him as a Citizen, for now.
spies8jenny (9:11:54 PM): Alright, how about... let's go with Zeddy.
spies8rondak (9:12:09 PM): I've said he's my #1 lately.
spies8rondak (9:12:19 PM): But Nita really tried to push me off of him.
spies8rondak (9:12:32 PM): I think the HQ slip, and the second night chat are all very suspicious.
spies8rondak (9:13:04 PM): But, he could just be a idiot citizen.
spies8jenny (9:13:06 PM): Ok, let's go from there. What made those suspicious to you?
spies8rondak (9:13:24 PM): Well, the HQ slip was sort of obvious once people pointed out that the Spies HQ was the only HQ named on the board.
spies8rondak (9:13:47 PM): The chatroom was really weird, unnecessary lying is idiotic for a citizen, I think.
spies8jenny (9:15:18 PM): See, you're getting the idea. Just take a look at the different situations that come up and decide if the results point to anyone in particular being either a spy or a citizen.
spies8rondak (9:16:25 PM): *nods*
spies8jenny (9:17:16 PM): Even if you can't be around when they all happen, you can still question people about them after the fact.
spies8jenny (9:19:17 PM): The other big thing about the game is talking to other people about what you think, either by posting it, by talking about it in the public chat, or even privately to people in personal chats.

That way, you can get feedback from what you've said, and you can see if anyone reacts strangely to it.
spies8jenny (9:19:53 PM): That's why there is usually a lot of talk about discussing suspicions with each other.
spies8rondak (9:20:13 PM): *nods*
spies8rondak (9:20:18 PM): It definitely is a change from Survivor.
spies8rondak (9:20:23 PM): Where everyone talks behind each other's backs.
spies8jenny (9:20:33 PM): Oh there's still talking behind people's backs at times.
spies8jenny (9:20:37 PM): It's just for different reasons.
spies8rondak (9:20:54 PM): *nods*
spies8jenny (9:24:07 PM): Lies are usually the big things to be on the lookout for. Except for having a role, citizens don't normally have things to lie about, whereas spies have to hide themselves along with the rest of their team.
spies8jenny (9:25:37 PM): That's why the whole thing with Zeddy was taking off for a while, because it sounded like he was making excuses about not talking on AIM right after roles came out when people would be finding out what they were.
spies8jenny (9:25:56 PM): And people, myself included, started thinking he was lying about the whole thing.
spies8jenny (9:26:14 PM): "Wait, he plays elder scrolls, but he can't figure out how to turn AIM off?"
spies8rondak (9:27:26 PM): *chuckles*
spies8rondak (9:27:34 PM): I still am not sure whether he was lying or telling the truth.
spies8jenny (9:30:30 PM): Does that help a bit?
spies8jenny (9:30:30 PM):
spies8rondak (9:30:39 PM): It certainly does.
spies8rondak (9:30:49 PM): It's just getting the time to able to start doing it.
spies8rondak (9:31:02 PM): You and Nita have helped me a lot, lately. Thank you.
spies8rondak (9:31:10 PM): So, do you think it's worth it for the Citizens to have me replaced?
spies8jenny (9:32:00 PM): We're just getting started, and the first few phases are always the hardest.
spies8jenny (9:32:05 PM): Because there's so little to go on.
spies8rondak (9:32:52 PM): *nods*
spies8jenny (9:34:42 PM): If it helps, what I like to do is actually think about who comes off as cit, and then see who is left and look into them in some form.
spies8jenny (9:35:15 PM): Because I'm a fairly forgetful person, so I do that to make sure I don't forget about anyone.
spies8rondak (9:42:13 PM): Yeah.
spies8rondak (9:42:22 PM): I'm doing my first real game stuff now, with Stephanie.
spies8rondak (9:42:34 PM): She suspects me, basically, because of the following: spies8rondak (9:40:15 PM): so because I'm new to mafia, and don't know what bussing is, and since i voted for the correct Spy, i'm suspicious.
spies8jenny (9:46:48 PM): I'd say once you get into the game a bit more you might be ok for a bit, since most people are just worried about you not saying much game wise so far.