episode ii conversations
Jun 22, 2010 14:37:27 GMT -6
Post by Chance on Jun 22, 2010 14:37:27 GMT -6
spies8lilith is available 2:41 pm
Finally back! 121d and 3h ago Comment
spies8lilith 2:41 pm
Hey there Chance
How's it going?
spies8chance 2:41 pm
'sup lil. :-)
meh, it's going.
i'm pretty annoyed at the moment.
spies8lilith 2:41 pm
Why?
spies8chance 2:42 pm
because everyone thinks i'm a spy.
mostly for 'spreading false information'.
spies8lilith 2:42 pm
Care to explain?
spies8chance 2:42 pm
it's a playstyle issue, i think, but no one seems to care.
sure.
in a chat early on, mary seemed annoyed with cory in a few things she said.
i interpreted that to mean cory was pushy.
spies8chance 2:43 pm
so i said "mary thinks cory is pushy."
next thing i know mary's all up in arms about 'i didn't say cory was pushy.'
true, technically she didn't, but that's how it seemed to me.
so that's the one.
the other is this mistaken case i made earlier on tina/cory/claude.
well, tina/cory. i still think claude's a spy.
apparently tina said to cory that hal made an odd comment about no-exile.
well, sam didn't post in the thread about a no exile until after teams were decided.
tina and cory are on different teams.
so now i think i've caught a bombshell and start pretty much trumpeting it.
spies8chance 2:45 pm
later on i find out that tina's comment was based on hal's comment which had nothing to do with sam's post - hal made his comment before teams were made, which made tina's and cory's conversation legal.
big oops on my part, and i said as much.
but it's still disseminated down to 'chance spreads false information, he must be a spy'.
and i'm not just annoyed about it, i'm pissed about it. but i was trying to be polite earlier.
talking about it's made me matter, though.
*madder
so that's things in a nutshell.
how was choir?
spies8lilith 2:47 pm
Fantastic
I lack a voice at the moment.
spies8chance 2:47 pm
...real fantastic. :-P
spies8lilith 2:47 pm
Mmhmm, hehehe.
spies8chance 2:47 pm
so as it stands, i'll probably be exiled next.
which pisses me off more than anything since this is the last spies game and i want to play, dammit!
:-(
spies8lilith 2:48 pm
Just keep your cool and play with a level head
As it stands we have, what, 4 more days?
spies8chance 2:49 pm
well, at least i don't think i'll be imprisoned, given the number of votes i got last time.
good job on voting before you left, by the way. i was impressed. :-)
spies8lilith 2:50 pm
Lol, I didn't really vote before I left :-P
spies8chance 2:50 pm
?
spies8lilith 2:50 pm
When I got back, late at night, I logged on to see if I missed anything at work
spies8chance 2:50 pm
oh, so you just voted real fast before exile. gotcha.
either way you didn't get penalties.
spies8lilith 2:50 pm
Sam messaged me and told me I should vote, but if I didn't he wouldn't penalize me
spies8chance 2:50 pm
hahaha.
spies8lilith 2:50 pm
So, yeah XD
spies8chance 2:51 pm
so have you caught up at all?
or is that what you're working on?
spies8lilith 2:51 pm
I'm still working on it
spies8chance 2:51 pm
where are you up to?
spies8lilith 2:51 pm
So far the only people I've talked to are you, claude, and cory
So right now all I have is your three stories
Right now I don't think any of you three are spies, but Cory is the most likely out of the three
spies8chance 2:51 pm
yeah, i noticed yesterday it was just us three on.
spies8lilith 2:51 pm
I WANT to talk to Magalie, Gertrude, and Margot though
spies8chance 2:52 pm
on cory - i had a cit read on him before cam was exiled.
now i'm not so sure.
hal brought up a good point about his vote in the most recent thread he made.
i still really think claude's a spy.
spies8lilith 2:52 pm
Well there's a possibility Claude is a spy
but the second vote in a bandwagon is always the least scummy
bringing a bit of suspicioun off of Cory
What I just can't see is Claude having any spy buddies.
spies8chance 2:53 pm
really?
spies8lilith 2:53 pm
From what I've seen, I can't pair him with anyone.
spies8chance 2:53 pm
i'll admit that's an angle i haven't considered overmuch.
but thinking about it, the claude/cory dynamic from early on was interesting.
spies8chance 2:54 pm
claude was deadly certain cory was a spy (just as 'deadly certain' as he was on cam, actually) and cory just kind of blew it off. also, claude's 'case' on cory was completely overblown and nothing like his case on cam.
now you've got me thinking. :-P
spies8lilith 2:54 pm
Yeah
I talked to Cory about that
Or did I....
spies8chance 2:54 pm
about what exactly?
spies8lilith 2:54 pm
Hold on.
I remember talking to Cory about a case somebody made on somebody else
I think it was the case that Claude made on you
and I said it could be possible distancing by Claude, but it didn't really make much sense
spies8chance 2:56 pm
claude hasn't really made a 'case' on me, to my knowledge.
spies8lilith 2:57 pm
Hmm...
I'm looking through my log file, I can't find it
Maybe it was something I read on the board O.o
spies8lilith 2:58 pm
Yeah, I can't find it
Oh well
spies8chance 2:58 pm
huh.
spies8lilith 2:59 pm
Tell me more about the Claude Cory dynamic
(I think it was just something I read on the board)
spies8chance 2:59 pm
well, at the beginning claude really hated cory.
i remember claude flipped his entire stance on cory after one comment that cory made - something about going to write in his confessional. i found it extremely bizarre, personally. i remember commenting on it, and claude agreed with me, but that was it. he didn't really explain it or anything.
and after all, claude and cory did vote together.
i really think claude's alignment will shed some light on cory's, personally.
spies8lilith 3:01 pm
I never lynch to get information, I let the imprisonments do that for me.
But I do see your point
Would you be able to find the thing that Cory said?
or can you explain better Claude's case?
spies8chance 3:02 pm
to clarify - i don't think we should lynch claude for information, i think we should lynch him because i think he's a spy.
which 'thing' are you talking about? the thing that made claude flip on cory?
claude's case had a lot to do with cory being 'abrasive'.
spies8lilith 3:03 pm
yeah
the thing that made claude flip
spies8chance 3:03 pm
yeah, i'll look for it
i'm sure it's in the spies8democrats chat archives somewhere, hold on
spies8lilith 3:05 pm
k
spies8chance 3:13 pm
god damnit i know he said it.
aha!
it wasn't in my archives, but it was in the group chat.
spies8chance 3:15 pm
spies8claude (4:10:44 PM): I don't think that a Spy would have the foresight to say 'I made comment of it in my confessional'.
spies8claude (4:10:49 PM): It's a very natural though.
spies8claude (4:10:51 PM): thought.
spies8claude (4:10:58 PM): I retract my previous suspicions of you.
my post questioning it is in the same thread.
his response (also in post form) - And yes, I retracted my suspicion of Cory based on one comment. It was a comment that a Spy is simply not likely to make, given the context of the situation.
spies8lilith 3:16 pm
Is Cory's comment in there as well?
spies8chance 3:16 pm
yeah, it's in the same chat.
spies8lilith 3:17 pm
Can you get that for me?
spies8chance 3:17 pm
spies8cory (4:09:58 PM): I know. I made comment of it in my confessional
spies8chance 3:17 pm
i think it's actually in reference to me and how i look 'slimy' for 'avoiding questions' (which also pisses me off)
mainly because the questions in question were pretty rapid-fire and they were all directed at me, so yeah, i may miss one or two. doesn't mean i'm avoiding them.
spies8lilith 3:18 pm
Who was the FIRST person to suspect you
from your recollection
spies8chance 3:18 pm
geez, i've been suspected so long it's hard to remember. :-P
let's see.
it was definitely not claude.
i think it might be mary.
spies8lilith 3:19 pm
Mary voted you am I correct?
spies8chance 3:19 pm
but as i've found out multiple times in this game to my own chagrin, my recollection isn't the best. >.>
yes, you are.
the four votes for me were mary, brod, hal, and...
spies8chance 3:20 pm
hm.
let's see. i remember being pretty surprised about brod's and mary's vote, because mary's announcement of her vote came right before exile, and brod had said "well, i was going to vote chance, but..." so i didn't think he was. but i was pretty sure hal was voting me, and i was pretty sure the other person was... gah, see what i mean about my recollection? :-(
i actually am having to go look it up.
oh right! jas.
spies8lilith 3:21 pm
Alright
How many votes
spies8lilith 3:22 pm
were for CERTAIN on Claude
spies8chance 3:22 pm
yeah, her reason for voting me was pretty bullshit, to be honest.
spies8lilith 3:22 pm
at the beggining of sunday?
spies8chance 3:22 pm
"i don't like all the discussion about hal's comment, i think it was pointless and it bored me, so i'm voting for chance for bringing it up"
at the beginning of sunday it was me, cam, larry for sure. i think 'zac's was sure too but i'm not sure.
i was extremely surprised that cam didn't vote, because she said that she was going to in the voting thread.
spies8chance 3:24 pm
talking to claude in any format is getting me too mad to think straight.
he keeps saying that i've been avoiding questions and keeps reaching out to others to confirm his own 'suspicions' of me.
spies8lilith 3:24 pm
Trust me
If talking with him is fucking with your play
Try to steer clear of him
spies is a game where you can get lynched for saying "How ya doin?" wrong.
Just answer my question
How many votes were for CERTAIN going to be on claude
at the beggining of sunday?
spies8chance 3:25 pm
mine.
larry's.
spies8chance 3:26 pm
cam's.
(or so i thought)
'zac left himself open to change, i believe.
so... i'm going to go with three.
spies8lilith 3:26 pm
Alright
Do you think Claude was in danger of being lycnhed?
lynched*
spies8chance 3:27 pm
yes, i do.
and i also think i was in danger of being lynched.
spies8chance 3:28 pm
so i also think the fact that he went to cin right before exile to try to get her to change her vote to cam or me isn't just self-preservation, it's entirely scummy.
spies8lilith 3:29 pm
Wait a second
What time did he ask Cin this?]
spies8chance 3:29 pm
i don't know. cin brought it up after exile. i think it's in her elephant thread.
spies8lilith 3:29 pm
Because if he asked Cin to do this when only himself and Cory had thier votes for certain on Cam
spies8chance 3:29 pm
let me find it.
spies8lilith 3:30 pm
that would imply that he knew about the two late votes.
before they happened.
spies8chance 3:30 pm
also workin' against claude wuz hiz comment 2 me 1 minute b4 exile:
spies8claude: (10:59:37 PM)Can I convince you to vote for either Chance or Camilla? I strongly believe them both to be scum, and don't really want to have to deal with a 3 way tie.
lookin' shady n' a lot more lyke a last ditch attempt 2 save hisself. so i am curious az 2 wut the rest of yall b thinkin'.
spies8chance 3:30 pm
one minute before exile, apparently.
spies8lilith 3:30 pm
Damn, nevermind.
that would have been VERY telling.
UGH
I need to fucking talk to more people
and none of them are on : /
spies8chance 3:31 pm
yeah, by then marge and gertie had decided to vote for cam in the vote thread.
spies8lilith 3:31 pm
REmember though that self preservation isn't only a spy trait
spies8chance 3:31 pm
i know.
i've defended people for it in the past, actually.
spies8lilith 3:31 pm
Right now
I really want to say that Claude is a spy
but I can't really get any PROOF
just the way he acts
spies8chance 3:32 pm
but in this case i think it's scummy because claude put his life on the line to say that cam was a spy.
'if cam's not a spy, you can lynch me.' that's what he said.
doesn't look very self-preserving of him, does it?
spies8lilith 3:32 pm
Yeah, well I've said that in mafia games as a cit before
The thing that makes this difference is that
I don't think Cam was that definite of a spy
spies8chance 3:32 pm
have you had to vote to save yourself in the same game? :-P
i was the one who defended cam! claude totally twisted her words against her.
spies8lilith 3:33 pm
Eh, it was hammer mafia, not vote tally mafia
spies8chance 3:33 pm
...in fact, i remember gertie agreeing with me.
spies8lilith 3:33 pm
you can't really vote to save yourself.
spies8chance 3:33 pm
hmm.
spies8lilith 3:33 pm
What I could easily see right now though
Is Gertie, Marge, and Claude being spies
Claude being their "Leader" and the other two listening to him
spies8chance 3:34 pm
this was when claude was saying cam's two statements about her voting philosophy were contradictory.
they weren't, but claude kept insisting that they were.
i distinctly remember gertie agreeing with me that they weren't. let me see if i can find it.
spies8lilith 3:34 pm
He does seem to have been making cases on stupid stuff.
spies8chance 3:34 pm
it's short, so i can show you.
spies8chance 3:34 pm
what amazes me is that people bought the case on cam.
spies8lilith 3:34 pm
Well I actually have to go now
(Which is retarded)
But still.
spies8chance 3:34 pm
are you going to be back tonight?
spies8lilith 3:34 pm
Yeah, in about 5 hours
Well, talk to you later
spies8chance 3:35 pm
hey
spies8lilith 3:35 pm
hopefully later I can talk to who I NEED to talk to ><
spies8chance 3:35 pm
i found it real fast
spies8chance (6:43:29 PM):question - are you agreeing with claude or camilla? spies8chance (6:43:38 PM):because if you see a disparity that i don't, please enlighten me. spies8chance (6:43:45 PM):because i'm pretty sure i can see what camilla was saying. spies8gertrude (6:45:12 PM):I think you misunderstood me. spies8gertrude (6:45:51 PM):I meant that I agree with you that there is a difference (read: no contradiction) between the two statements Camilla made.
spies8lilith 3:36 pm
K, thanks for that.
I'm gunna need as much as I can get in the next 3 days
anyway, talk to you later
spies8chance 3:36 pm
bye.