Episode 1 - Conversations
Jun 20, 2010 0:26:49 GMT -6
Post by Claude on Jun 20, 2010 0:26:49 GMT -6
spies8mary 6:44 pm
Hi.
I have a question for you.
spies8claude 6:45 pm
I have an answer.
You go first.
spies8mary 6:45 pm
Why did you say this:
spies8claude: (10:50:32 PM)She was too interested in who everyone else was suspicious of earlier. I can't remember the amount of times she asked people 'Who do you think is a spy'.
spies8claude 6:45 pm
Because it's true
spies8mary 6:45 pm
Define "too interested".
spies8claude 6:45 pm
You asked practically everyone who they were suspicious of, it was unsettling
spies8mary 6:45 pm
That's how mafia is played, Claude.
I started off talking about my wedding and the weather.
spies8mary 6:46 pm
Until people had time to develop suspicions. Then we talked about those suspicions.
spies8claude 6:46 pm
I don't think that is really how it's played. You shouldn't be that concerned with whom everyone else is suspicious of.
It doesn't matter now anyway.
When I talked to you later, I felt very good about how you responded.
spies8mary 6:47 pm
Yes, but your attitude there concerns me.
You seemed upset that I was trying to pin people down to specifics.
Which I think is an excellent tactic because later you can see if their suspicions evolve natually.
spies8claude 6:48 pm
It is suspicious to be that interested in what EVERYONE else thinks so early.
spies8mary 6:48 pm
Why?
spies8claude 6:48 pm
It read to me like you were just looking for someone to bandwagon
spies8mary 6:48 pm
If I leave someone out, I don't have that information to track later.
Do I seem like the bandwagoning type to you, Claude?
spies8claude 6:48 pm
You shouldn't even care, you should be trying to form your own suspicions
spies8mary 6:48 pm
Do you have any evidence of that?
spies8claude 6:48 pm
No, NOW you don't. At the time, that was how it seemed.
spies8mary 6:48 pm
That is how I form my own suspicions. I see whose suspicions don't make sense.
Yours for example, only make a little sense.
I read your Cory comments carefully.
I think you have a minor point but I tend to disagree that he is overall uncooperative.
spies8claude 6:50 pm
Everyone is stuck on that
That part is minor
The way that he reacted to me being suspicious of him is much more relevant.
spies8mary 6:50 pm
I read your Camilla comments and I agree that she behaved oddly after you came afte rher.
spies8claude 6:50 pm
Oddly is putting it mildly; she couldn't have been scummier.
spies8mary 6:50 pm
I don't think her initial comments about no exile were very troubling.
But I do think her reaction afterwards seemed a bit alarmed.
spies8claude 6:51 pm
Well, at least you see part of it :-)
spies8mary 6:51 pm
Anyhow, I need to understand more people's suspicions, we're running out of time.
So forgive me if I move to the group chat for now.
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I didn't really gain much out of this conversation. I thought Mary was a citizen both before it and afterwards.
spies8chance 12:40 pm
'sup clod.
spies8claude 12:40 pm
So cleve.r
spies8chance 12:40 pm
well, we can't all be mad scientists.
got a question for you.
spies8claude 12:41 pm
?
spies8chance 12:41 pm
what kind of read do you have on brod as of right now?
spies8claude 12:41 pm
He seems genuinely helpful to me.
spies8chance 12:41 pm
i would say nitpicky, but then he aimed most of his 'helpfulness' at me.
:-P
spies8claude 12:42 pm
But then, I'm finding it hard to get reads on people for the most part. The nature of mafia, when applied to something chat-based, leaves alot to be desired.
He's prodded me about a couple of things, but I didn't detect any ill-will behind it.
spies8chance 12:43 pm
maybe it's just me, then.
a lot of what he said about me seemed very reachy, like he was looking for things to twist. i dunno.
spies8chance 12:44 pm
might just be a natural reaction on my part.
spies8claude 12:44 pm
I haven't read any of the past spies games, but I suspect that the first 2 days probably result in a bunch of exiled citizens, and then it gets easier to find spies when you have some kind of established voting pattern
spies8chance 12:44 pm
he went on a lot about me saying mary called cory pushy, which has since been resolved.
actually, i've done some homework, and the last two spies games, spies have been exiled first both times.
spies6almathea and spies7.... crap.
spies8claude 12:45 pm
conviction or w/e
spies8chance 12:45 pm
perry.
i think.
spies8claude 12:45 pm
oh, you're talking about player names.
Well, that's good to know.
spies8chance 12:45 pm
i'd have to go back and look.
yeah, it seems like kind of a tradtion at this point. i'd hate to break it. :-P
he also went on about the times i heard things. it's not like the only talking i do is in group chat, y'know.
spies8claude 12:46 pm
heh
spies8chance 12:46 pm
it just seemed like a subtle push, that's all.
spies8claude 12:46 pm
You might be onto something, I'll pay closer attention to him.
spies8chance 12:50 pm
should i be assuming that you still think cory's a spy?
spies8claude 12:50 pm
Yes.
spies8chance 12:51 pm
do you have any new reasons?
spies8claude 12:52 pm
Yesterday, someone asked him if he thought I was suspicious at all. He was very quick to say no.
spies8chance 1:10 pm
anything else?
and what do you mean by 'very quick'?
spies8claude 1:11 pm
I mean like, it didn't seem like he really had to think much about it. I dunno.
spies8claude 1:11 pm
He answered within like 10 seconds; I would expect a citizen to take some time on it.
spies8chance 1:11 pm
maybe he didn't. do you think that's spyish?
spies8claude 1:11 pm
Yes.
spies8chance 1:11 pm
or is that a silly question considering it's cory?
:-P
spies8claude 1:11 pm
Nah.
spies8chance 1:11 pm
well, i have a couple people i have a cit read on, so it wouldn't take me long to answer where they're concerned.
spies8claude 1:12 pm
Yeah. But I don't think that's as applicable, or at least not as quickly so, with someone that is hammering on you.
spies8chance 1:12 pm
that's true.
spies8chance 1:14 pm
any suspicions besides cory?
what do you think about getting rid of someone who's clearly unhelpful?
spies8claude 1:15 pm
I've never been a fan of that.
spies8chance 1:16 pm
why's that?
spies8claude 1:16 pm
I've always found that it's about as likely to result in dead citizens that are just afraid to commit their opinions
That is mostly in forum-based mafia though
I'm 100% new to chat based
spies8chance 1:17 pm
well, part of my stance on that is that i hate to let lurkers win.
i think you should have to fight for a win.
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Some of this conversation is why I'm starting to distrust Chance. But I want to see where things go w/ Camilla first.
Hi.
I have a question for you.
spies8claude 6:45 pm
I have an answer.
You go first.
spies8mary 6:45 pm
Why did you say this:
spies8claude: (10:50:32 PM)She was too interested in who everyone else was suspicious of earlier. I can't remember the amount of times she asked people 'Who do you think is a spy'.
spies8claude 6:45 pm
Because it's true
spies8mary 6:45 pm
Define "too interested".
spies8claude 6:45 pm
You asked practically everyone who they were suspicious of, it was unsettling
spies8mary 6:45 pm
That's how mafia is played, Claude.
I started off talking about my wedding and the weather.
spies8mary 6:46 pm
Until people had time to develop suspicions. Then we talked about those suspicions.
spies8claude 6:46 pm
I don't think that is really how it's played. You shouldn't be that concerned with whom everyone else is suspicious of.
It doesn't matter now anyway.
When I talked to you later, I felt very good about how you responded.
spies8mary 6:47 pm
Yes, but your attitude there concerns me.
You seemed upset that I was trying to pin people down to specifics.
Which I think is an excellent tactic because later you can see if their suspicions evolve natually.
spies8claude 6:48 pm
It is suspicious to be that interested in what EVERYONE else thinks so early.
spies8mary 6:48 pm
Why?
spies8claude 6:48 pm
It read to me like you were just looking for someone to bandwagon
spies8mary 6:48 pm
If I leave someone out, I don't have that information to track later.
Do I seem like the bandwagoning type to you, Claude?
spies8claude 6:48 pm
You shouldn't even care, you should be trying to form your own suspicions
spies8mary 6:48 pm
Do you have any evidence of that?
spies8claude 6:48 pm
No, NOW you don't. At the time, that was how it seemed.
spies8mary 6:48 pm
That is how I form my own suspicions. I see whose suspicions don't make sense.
Yours for example, only make a little sense.
I read your Cory comments carefully.
I think you have a minor point but I tend to disagree that he is overall uncooperative.
spies8claude 6:50 pm
Everyone is stuck on that
That part is minor
The way that he reacted to me being suspicious of him is much more relevant.
spies8mary 6:50 pm
I read your Camilla comments and I agree that she behaved oddly after you came afte rher.
spies8claude 6:50 pm
Oddly is putting it mildly; she couldn't have been scummier.
spies8mary 6:50 pm
I don't think her initial comments about no exile were very troubling.
But I do think her reaction afterwards seemed a bit alarmed.
spies8claude 6:51 pm
Well, at least you see part of it :-)
spies8mary 6:51 pm
Anyhow, I need to understand more people's suspicions, we're running out of time.
So forgive me if I move to the group chat for now.
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I didn't really gain much out of this conversation. I thought Mary was a citizen both before it and afterwards.
spies8chance 12:40 pm
'sup clod.
spies8claude 12:40 pm
So cleve.r
spies8chance 12:40 pm
well, we can't all be mad scientists.
got a question for you.
spies8claude 12:41 pm
?
spies8chance 12:41 pm
what kind of read do you have on brod as of right now?
spies8claude 12:41 pm
He seems genuinely helpful to me.
spies8chance 12:41 pm
i would say nitpicky, but then he aimed most of his 'helpfulness' at me.
:-P
spies8claude 12:42 pm
But then, I'm finding it hard to get reads on people for the most part. The nature of mafia, when applied to something chat-based, leaves alot to be desired.
He's prodded me about a couple of things, but I didn't detect any ill-will behind it.
spies8chance 12:43 pm
maybe it's just me, then.
a lot of what he said about me seemed very reachy, like he was looking for things to twist. i dunno.
spies8chance 12:44 pm
might just be a natural reaction on my part.
spies8claude 12:44 pm
I haven't read any of the past spies games, but I suspect that the first 2 days probably result in a bunch of exiled citizens, and then it gets easier to find spies when you have some kind of established voting pattern
spies8chance 12:44 pm
he went on a lot about me saying mary called cory pushy, which has since been resolved.
actually, i've done some homework, and the last two spies games, spies have been exiled first both times.
spies6almathea and spies7.... crap.
spies8claude 12:45 pm
conviction or w/e
spies8chance 12:45 pm
perry.
i think.
spies8claude 12:45 pm
oh, you're talking about player names.
Well, that's good to know.
spies8chance 12:45 pm
i'd have to go back and look.
yeah, it seems like kind of a tradtion at this point. i'd hate to break it. :-P
he also went on about the times i heard things. it's not like the only talking i do is in group chat, y'know.
spies8claude 12:46 pm
heh
spies8chance 12:46 pm
it just seemed like a subtle push, that's all.
spies8claude 12:46 pm
You might be onto something, I'll pay closer attention to him.
spies8chance 12:50 pm
should i be assuming that you still think cory's a spy?
spies8claude 12:50 pm
Yes.
spies8chance 12:51 pm
do you have any new reasons?
spies8claude 12:52 pm
Yesterday, someone asked him if he thought I was suspicious at all. He was very quick to say no.
spies8chance 1:10 pm
anything else?
and what do you mean by 'very quick'?
spies8claude 1:11 pm
I mean like, it didn't seem like he really had to think much about it. I dunno.
spies8claude 1:11 pm
He answered within like 10 seconds; I would expect a citizen to take some time on it.
spies8chance 1:11 pm
maybe he didn't. do you think that's spyish?
spies8claude 1:11 pm
Yes.
spies8chance 1:11 pm
or is that a silly question considering it's cory?
:-P
spies8claude 1:11 pm
Nah.
spies8chance 1:11 pm
well, i have a couple people i have a cit read on, so it wouldn't take me long to answer where they're concerned.
spies8claude 1:12 pm
Yeah. But I don't think that's as applicable, or at least not as quickly so, with someone that is hammering on you.
spies8chance 1:12 pm
that's true.
spies8chance 1:14 pm
any suspicions besides cory?
what do you think about getting rid of someone who's clearly unhelpful?
spies8claude 1:15 pm
I've never been a fan of that.
spies8chance 1:16 pm
why's that?
spies8claude 1:16 pm
I've always found that it's about as likely to result in dead citizens that are just afraid to commit their opinions
That is mostly in forum-based mafia though
I'm 100% new to chat based
spies8chance 1:17 pm
well, part of my stance on that is that i hate to let lurkers win.
i think you should have to fight for a win.
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Some of this conversation is why I'm starting to distrust Chance. But I want to see where things go w/ Camilla first.