Episode 1 votes

[Dane]

Yo, attention please.
This is where votes go. Bold the name of the person you are voting.
Put a reason to go with your vote.
If you change your vote, say why, and bold the name of both who you were voting and you are
To bold a name, first put [ b ] name [ /b ] and take out the spaces.
If you don't post your vote in this thread, you are a spy and get my vote.
VOTE WITH A REASON, EVEN IF IT IS A DRUNKEN ONE.

[Nita]

Let's make this thread more useful and add more questions, sí? Más vale antes que después- one good forewit is worth two afterwits.

1. Who are you voting for? Why are you voting for him or her?

2. If there is evidence or suspicions against someone else and you are not voting for them, can you explain why?

3. What spy hunting or analyzing have you done recently?

[Allan]

Ok so someone's gotta be first, I don't mind starting it off:

I'm sure my vote will change, but my first suspect right now is Nita. The main reason is her 'cute' use of spanish and broken english on the boards. It makes her posts rememberable, but in a way that isn't really useful at all. It would be a great cover for a spy.

I voiced these concerns to Nita in a chat. She blew up at me. If someone can't take a little criticism, then even if they are a cit they aren't going to be a useful member.

Nita I know this'll freak you out, but hey it'll get some discussion goin, eh?

[Nita]

Why would it freak me out? I got nothin to hide.

Besides your opinion counts for nothin anyway:

spies8Jenny: So Kiara, have you gotten a chance yet to look up what you missed?
spies8Nita: Allan too?
spies8Nita: Was the hombre in the chat last night?
spies8Allan: what did i miss?
spies8Nita: You in the chat or read the chat thread?
spies8Allan: yea
spies8Allan: i read what ya'all posted
spies8Nita: What you think?
spies8Allan: not quite sure... i think i need to talk to a couple of these guys myself
spies8Nita: Bout what? What sticks out at you?
spies8Allan: umm i don't know really haha.... that was my polite way of saying i've given in no thought


And you also say I'm not bein useful - look at the post above you, it's mine, and who summed up what happened in the chat for people like you so you could get an idea of what's goin on in the game? Me.

What you do? Not bother to read it. Make a post talkin bout memorable but not useful posts - which is what your accusation post is, hombre.

So like I said to you in the chat - don't talk less you know what you talkin bout.

[Dane]

My vote is for themba at least for the moment for suggesting a no exile

[Hambone]

I dont get how a no exile is a bad thing?

[Hambone]

cuz on the first night chances are we wont get a spy

[Themba]

Jun 18, 2010 15:12:40 GMT -6 Dane said:

My vote is for themba at least for the moment for suggesting a no exile

Wow. You are suggesting lynching me because I brought up a topic for consideration? I also didn't say I agree with the idea of a No Exile, but that I thought it was worthwhile discussing.

Clutching at straws Dane, clutching at straws. Especially since we haven't even spoken yet.

What's more, you're happy to lynch a Citizen off nothing more than her efforts to make a discussion happen within the group. I don't call that scumhunting. I call that lazy. Should I question your efforts in making the correct decision for the Citizens in hunting down and lynching Spies? Or is attempting to lead a bandwagon on a Citizen just going to be your MO in this game?

[Dane]

Gotta disagree Muscle, first episode the spies have the least influence over the citizens and their votes, if nothing else then do to sheer numbers. Themba, I tried talking to you but you ignored me. I am voting you because besides the Zedekiah thing and the allan vote (still need to read up on that), you "bringing up no exile for discussion" is the only other thing that has come up so far on our side. I said this was my vote for now, and I definitely haven't been trying to lead a bandwagon.

And seriously, suggesting the possibility of a no exile episode 1? Only the spies benefit. The End.

[Zedekiah]

Since I believe in givin' a person their say in the matter, I'm saying I'm voting for allan for now, though I'd plenty appreciate a chat if he has anythin' t' say.
Reasons I'm votin this way are cause for one he accuses folk o' not contributin' even though he himself hardly says a word all game.
Two 'cus he does go online, but when he goes t' group chat he leave's in a split.
three 'cus even though he don't say squat in group where everyone knows what ye say, he goes off an chats t' everyone private-like, anti-team spy tell if I ever saw one.

[Tina]

I am voting Alexei, for the case that Nita and I made on him. It is really nice. You should go look at it.

[Gabriel]

im voting Alexei at the moment due to the anagram alliances case on him; its subject to change before votes are due depending on a few things

[Themba]

My vote is currently for Dane.

Reasons:
- Lynching someone for no other reason than generating a discussion topic.
- No attempts to scumhunt any further than that.
- Using fail logic.

[Themba]

Jun 19, 2010 10:26:09 GMT -6 Dane said:

Gotta disagree Muscle, first episode the spies have the least influence over the citizens and their votes, if nothing else then do to sheer numbers. Themba, I tried talking to you but you ignored me. I am voting you because besides the Zedekiah thing and the allan vote (still need to read up on that), you "bringing up no exile for discussion" is the only other thing that has come up so far on our side. I said this was my vote for now, and I definitely haven't been trying to lead a bandwagon.

And seriously, suggesting the possibility of a no exile episode 1? Only the spies benefit. The End.

'The spies have the least influence over the citizens and their votes'.
Fail logic. When do you think the Spies get in bed and make nice with the Citizens? At the end of the game? And when did I ignore you? I have been waiting to talk to you for the last 24 hours but you're never around.

Jun 18, 2010 15:12:40 GMT -6 Dane said:

My vote is for themba at least for the moment for suggesting a no exile

This screams of attempting a bandwagon. No detail, just forcefulness.

[Dane]

Themba, try talking to anyone else (besides hambone, he'll just throw a bitchfit). 1. I have indeed been scumhunting. 2. Even hambone, who hates me, doesn't think i'm suspicious. 3. No one thinks a discussion on a no exile is a good idea. 4. In the beginning of the game, spies have the least power, because their votes don't count as much. They are much more in bed at the end of the game, as previous games will show. 5. Again, try to find anyone who agrees with you that I was trying to start a bandwagon. 6. What fail logic?

[Themba]

Jun 19, 2010 18:44:06 GMT -6 Dane said:

Themba, try talking to anyone else (besides hambone, he'll just throw a bitchfit). 1. I have indeed been scumhunting. 2. Even hambone, who hates me, doesn't think i'm suspicious. 3. No one thinks a discussion on a no exile is a good idea. 4. In the beginning of the game, spies have the least power, because their votes don't count as much. They are much more in bed at the end of the game, as previous games will show. 5. Again, try to find anyone who agrees with you that I was trying to start a bandwagon. 6. What fail logic?

1) Posting 'This case against X depends on this case against Y' does not count as scumhunting.
2) How do you know that?
3) Untrue, and even if it was true, it doesn't matter. You've missed the entire point of posting the discussion anyway.
4) See point 6.
5) I don't need any one to agree with me. I saw the way you attacked Hambone and I've also seen people say it's not worth trying to lynch me over.
6) Your fail logic on me for a start, and your fail logic that Spies are not as powerful at the start of the game. I disagree strongly, as previous seasons have shown.

I'm online now, and so are you. If you want to chat, I am here.

[Stephanie]

I will be voting Dane. And I refuse to follow his instructions and bold his name.

I first was suspicious of Dane because of
[17:01] spies8dane: it took forver tryin to read teh dems crap
[17:02] spies8dane: was ur opinin on dat stuff wit cory and whoever with the "no exile injun guy thing"

I started wondering why Dane would be taking forever to read the other forum. Was it because some of his spy buddies are over there?

Later I read:
[12:41] spies8dane: lets go through the people on our team
[12:42] spies8dane: and see who no one has talked to yet, ok?
[12:42] spies8dane: broderick, dem or rep?
[12:42] spies8Nita: Dem
[12:42] spies8dane: k
[12:42] spies8dane: camilla?
[12:42] spies8alexei: I haven't seen Kiara yet
[12:42] spies8Nita: Dem
[12:42] spies8alexei: and camilla is dem
[12:42] spies8dane: magalie margot and mary?
[12:42] spies8jenny: There is a list up for the teams.
[12:43] spies8gabriel: dem dem dem

So Dane is taking forever to read the dems forum, doesn't know who is on our team, and yet is voting Themba for bringing up the no exile thing for discussion. He immediately went for an easy vote. He admits that he hadn't even talked to Themba. Discussion is a good thing, discussion with your own team is a better thing. I've got to assume that Dane is a spy.

[Dane]

Anyone who would like to see how stephanie's points were shot down, please read the absurdly long group chat

Oh, and my vote is changing from themba to alexei
as explained in this excerpt
you voted me because of what one person told yhou
(9:51:06 PM): and stuck by that point after hearing multiple people say they disagreed with it
(9:51:18 PM): then you stated that you would vote out a cit because you didn't like them
(9:51:29 PM): I change my vote to alexei

[Owen]

As of right now, I'll be voting for Alexei for the reasons I stated in the "Case On Alexei" thread.

I'm having a hard time seeing myself voting for anyone else right now, as nobody other than Zed has done enough to warrant a vote from me. He needs to be kept an eye on, but taking into account the fact that he was pretty much gang-raped, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt right now based on Alexei's actions.

[Themba]

My vote at this point is now Alexei.

Reasons as follows:

spies8alexei 11:49 am
so even if you aren't spy, citizens will be better off wityhout yo

And I think he jumped on Steph's thoughts about Dane being a Spy and didn't really know exactly what those thoughts were.

And then there's the stuff the rest of the guys posted. Don't need to add it here.

[Alexei]

My vote is for Dane. The reasoning behind this is because this morning he didn't know who his teammates were, he jumped the gun n the Themba vote for bringing up the Discussion of No Exile. He was also focused on a single player on the Democrat side.

Also, Dane, I apologize for what I said about the village being better off without you. I was pissed at the time, and I know it wasn't appropriate. I am still voting for you, but it isn't because I hate you. Hopefully you see that.

Another suspect I was considering is Zedekiah because of the whole interrogation the night after the opener, but that has since died down.

No matter what happens tonight, it has been fun, and I don't take any of this personally, blame any of you, or think any less of any of you. I will follow the game even in death, and see how it plays out. It is an honour to have been able to play with you all.

[Dane]

I still don't see the problem with focusing on a dem player, especially when it directly impacts us (such as the person in question being accused of having talked to someone ON OUR TEAM)

[Hambone]

I am going to vote for ALEXEI for now. Once I'm back from Father's Day stuff if a better option arises then I will definitely be up for switching my vote though, but based on the case that the anagram alliance (Tina/Nita) presented as well as Dane/Alexei's fight earlier, and this....

[22:54] spies8alexei: Also, I hope you understand that I am not taking any of this personally, and I do not blame you or think any less of any of you. I know the nature of this game, and if I took everything seriously, no one would play with me. I appreciate your honesty, and I hope that one day I will get to play with all of you again one day
[22:55] spies8alexei: and with that, I have to leave. Goodbye, my friends, for perhaps the last time
[22:56] spies8zedekiah: ya ain't comin to chat before exile?
[22:56] spies8zedekiah: bye
[22:56] spies8themba: Bye Alexei
[22:56] spies8gabriel: bye!!
[22:56] spies8gabriel: come see us before exile. D:
[22:58] spies8alexei: I will, of course, I forgot about that
[22:58] spies8alexei: until then
[22:58] spies8alexei: I bid you farewell]
[22:58] spies8jenny: Have a good night!
[22:58] spies8alexei: you too
[22:59] spies8alexei: and, once again, I appreciate your honesty.
[22:59] spies8alexei: has left the chat
[22:59] spies8themba: did he just admit to being a spy? or was that just me?
[22:59] spies8jenny: I don't think so.
[23:00] spies8jenny: I think he was just semi-depressed about possibly being the first gone.
[23:00] spies8jenny: I know I would be.
[23:00] spies8themba: true. but i reckon he is and did.


Which definitely DOES sound like Alexei is basically saying "Okay I gotta go guys, good job, you guys got me, no hard feelings", and that we've caught him and he surrenders.

[Savannah]

My vote at the moment is for Zedekiah.

Reasons:

A. Half the things he stated in the group chat made absolutely no sense. (For example the quote in my sig.). It seems like he didn’t really know what he was talking about, and was simply trying to think up anything to cover for his scummy actions.

B. He has done pretty much zero scum hunting, at least to my knowledge. I find this odd since he has been in group chats but has failed to express his suspicions. Instead, he talks about random, off-topic things (for some reason, cold pizza comes to mind).

C. How doesn’t an experienced gamer know how to sign off AIM? I’m sorry, but this still seems all too far-fetched, especially with his somewhat apparent experience with the technology world.

That about wraps it up. My vote might change, but as of now here’s where it stands

[Jenny]

I've already told most of you my vote on AIM, but I'm voting Zeddy too. Being missing right after roles went out is one thing, but that group chat was just ridiculously strange over what should have been a quick question about it.

[Bizarrondak]

Greetings.

My vote, currently, is for Alexei. The lovely lass Nita did a wonderful job composing a case against him. And, currently, he is the most suspicious. His fence-riding, coupled with the defense and the odd farewell to his fellow adventurers strikes me as very suspicious. As echoed by other adventurers, I would not expect a citizen to behave in this fashion. He would be actively trying to stay around. The complacency is as alarming as being out of spells halfway through a dungeon. Admittedly, too, gut plays a part in this as well.

Farewell, good sirs and lasses. I shall see you tonight.

[Themba]

VOTE TALLY:

Allan - 1 vote
Zedekiah

Alexei - 7 votes
Dane
Gabriel
Hambone
Owen
Rondak
Themba
Tina

Dane - 2votes
Alexei
Stephanie

Nita - 1 vote
Allan

Zedekiah - 2 votes
Jenny
Savannah

Yet to vote:
Kiara
Nita

[Themba]

Now voting Zedekiah.

1) No clear idea of his actions first night of the game commencing - one response when questioned was ...

2) Doesn't know how to log off AIM but knows how to play complex computer games for hours.

3) Thinks Allan's a Spy because he's never online, but has never really spoken to him, but thinks he's a spy anyway. But thinks Allan speaks in IM's instead of the Group (with him?).

4) Seems to be failing at doing much scumhunting, and/or defending of the accusations brought to him. When I asked him:

spies8themba 11:36 am
well let's talk about you then. people are planning on voting you, from my reading of the transcripts. what have you done to try and change their mind?
spies8zedekiah 11:37 am
I told the total truth every chance I was asked
they talked t' me in privite a few times too
spies8themba 11:37 am
ah. ok.

5) HQ? If he is as new as he claims, how does he know the term HQ?

[Nita]

I'm votin for Alexei because of the points in the case that Tina y yo made. I ain't seen him post nothin in the thread in his defense y I see him say goodbye in the public chat.

Bout Zedekiah - In chat now we're talkin bout how he don't scumhunt much and that's a problem. If he don't step up maybe I vote him later. I think Alexei have better chance bout bein a spy though.

[Nita]

Themba, if you changin your vote, you gotta have reasons. You gotta spell them out so we can look at if they be good ones or no.