Band Camp Mafia: Game Thread

[Stephanie]

No reason to be that brief, Sisqo. Please tell us more. What made you decide to investigate Chance? How did you get this one-shot power? Did it have anything to do with everyone joining the band?

[Dane]

My vote WILL be for chance if Sisqo's "investigation" seems to check out, since this has not yet reached mylo/lylo.

I would also like it known that that the counter bandwagon on lawrence that appeared d1 and finished d2 was most likely scum-lead to protect hambone. Oh. Well crap, that doesn't work -_-

[Chance]

This is a lie.

A - Sisqo is scum and the scum have some other power that will lead them to the win once I am lynched.

B - Sisqo is scum and thinks I have a role, thus considers himself for me a good trade.

C - Sisqo is town and the investigation is a lie, a la Awohali.

These are in order of probability.

Vote: Sisqo

[Broderick]

Vote Tally

Chance (1) - Sisqo/Spies1Gerta
Sisqo/Spies1Gerta (1) - Chance


Not Voting: Savannah, Dane, Owen, Stephanie, Gertrude, Magalie, Kiara

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.


Deadline: Saturday, September 18th @ 11pm PDT/ 2am EDT/ 7am GMT

[Hambone]

=/

[Gertrude]

Wow. Okay. Way to rush through a day, guys >.<

No reason to be that brief, Sisqo. Please tell us more. What made you decide to investigate Chance? How did you get this one-shot power? Did it have anything to do with everyone joining the band?

QFwhatever the fuck Broderick said. Effect? Truth?

QFE&T.

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Now it's time for "HoMeGrL gOt SuM qUeScHiNz.!: The Citizen Edition."
I never got to do them yesterday because the day ended so fast -.-


Chance: You posted yesterday at 6:22 PM that you needed to reread Steph's case on Lawrence before you would vote. Steph's case was 8 sentences long. Then, almost exactly 3 hours later, at 9:21 PM, after Broderick confirmed that only one more vote was needed to lynch Lawrence, you hammer it in, simply stating that you had reread the case and it made sense that time.

Why did it take so long for you to review Steph's case? Granted, you could've gone out, eaten dinner, whatever, but why bother posting that you don't understand a paragraph-long case when you could've just spent that time rereading it? It just looks bad that there was a sudden clairvoyance after it was made clear that only 1 more vote was needed until the day would end.

Also, I started this before you posted your vote on Sisqo, and I have a question about that.

A - Sisqo is scum and the scum have some other power that will lead them to the win once I am lynched.

B - Sisqo is scum and thinks I have a role, thus considers himself for me a good trade.

Um, I guess I'm just confused about letter A. Since when is a power (other than, you know, Exiling Citizens) that helps the scum win more likely than him just trying to get you mislynched?

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Savannah: On Day 1, after a few people had voted Hambone, Owen posted saying he was uncomfortable with the Hambone lynch, following it up with, "I'd probably be inclined to vote somebody who jumped on the Hammy wagon quickly." Hambone then switched his vote to Lawrence. You then added, "Lawrence quickly voted without really contributing much..." without voting. Then, after Owen and Sisqo voted for Lawrence, you did too, citing your original post.

Why did you wait to vote for him? Your vote essentially says "I'm voting for him based on this stuff I said back here," so why didn't you vote when you said that stuff?

On Day 2, you complied with Sisqo's request to want to join the band, and I don't hold it against you, as I did as well. At the time of that post, though, there were 2 votes on Lawrence (Hambone and Steph). Then, Owen and Kiara voted for him as well (and Magalie voted too, for Hambone). Then, you post your vote on Lawrence, saying you forgot to put it in your first post, and provided no reasoning.

To clarify, you voted for Lawrence on Day 1 because he "quickly voted without really contributing much..." and voted for Lawrence on Day 2 without any reasoning. Essentially, you hopped on a bandwagon on a bandwagoner because he bandwagoned. Twice.

How do you justify this?

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Sisqo: You obviously have a lot of explaining to do, and I won't bother addressing that stuff since hopefully you'll share that shit by your own accord. But, I did notice something.

On day 1, you made a post where you are "callin' out tha bros and tha hos." You end the post voting for Chance, which I guess is the reason you allegedly investigated him. Anyways, you addressed a bunch of people, myself included. You told me that I was "protesting too much" and said that someone had called you out for doing such in Spies 7. I later asked for clarification of what you meant, and never got a response. It struck me as Cinnamynesque. Granted, I asked this at 6:22 PM board time, and I'm told you're British, so that might've been too late for you. Then the day ended, and you came in the next one with the "band" business, but it kinda felt like you posted just to smear people's faces into the mud, then disappeared.


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Finally, let's get this investigation/band thing sorted out, please.

Xoxo,

Gertrude.

[Owen]

Firstly, WTF @ Hambone. Like Chance said, if the scum were forced into that, that's really shitty for them. If they picked him themselves, they're really ballsy. Don't know if we can get clarification on that from the mods, but I think it would help to know since there's bigger risk-takers in the group.

Next, WTF @ the investigation. I'm not saying that it's not plausible, but I'm not ready to lynch someone based on one italicized sentence. What are the specifics? Did it need to be activated? Why exactly did you select Chance? I don't want to jump into another Awo/Jenny situation too quickly.

Don't be an a(wo)hole.

[Sisqo]

Sept 16, 2010 8:34:07 GMT -6 Stephanie said:

No reason to be that brief, Sisqo. Please tell us more. What made you decide to investigate Chance? How did you get this one-shot power? Did it have anything to do with everyone joining the band?

Out of character, sorry.

Why Chance - he was my top suspect on day 1, but when I saw Lawrence's post I switched. On day 2 I changed my mind on Lawrence right after I saw Chance's post. It looked like he (Chance) was distancing himself from Lawrence's exile because he was under fire, which made me think that Chance was a spy, Lawrence wasn't. I made a brief post at 6:28pm, board time. At the time I didn't have time to post anything else (I was in another game) but decided to post again after work the next day. I never got the chance to do that - I got home from work to find that Lawrence had been hammered, and by Chance himself.

(By the way Broderick, I officially hate the "Hammer" mechanic, and this is why. If the day had gone as scheduled I would've had one and a half extra days to post.)

As to my power - I can't quote my role PM, but basically I have to activate it by getting a voting majority of people to post the phrase "I want to be in the band". (Georgia copying Ariel there methinks.) Doing this gives me the choice of a one-shot vig kill or a one-shot alignment investigation, but I have to survive the night to get the results of either - if I die, nobody gets killed / investigated at my hands. I went for the safe option.

I'm GUESSING that there's not another vig / detective role out there, but I don't know for sure. However, if you want some extra evidence that Chance is scum, this:

"A - Sisqo is scum and the scum have some other power that will lead them to the win once I am lynched.

would seem to indicate that Chance never considers that it might be MYLO. Question: there are twelve players, four scum isn't out of the question, so how could he know this unless he is scum? Broderick's never publicly posted it anything about roles or alignment numbers. (Someone correct me here if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.)

Who are the other mafia? I think that at least one and possibly both are early Lawrence votors on day 2. Unless he's being seriously devious, Chance's slip suggests to me that there are three scum (I think two is probably too low for a game with twelve people in it) and I think early on in Day 2 he was distancing himself from the Lawrence wagon in the post I pointed out, at least until later when he was needed to provide the hammer. If he was doing this it was probably because the other scum, or at least one of them, was already on the Lawrence wagon. Beyond that, I will be looking at who votes Chance and when, on the off-chance that I actually survive the night in order to vote the following day (doc save or something).

[Chance]

Question: there are twelve players, four scum isn't out of the question, so how could he know this unless he is scum?

Simple. I generally assume three scum, didn't go and check for myself, and went by Dane's post here -

My vote WILL be for chance if Sisqo's "investigation" seems to check out, since this has not yet reached mylo/lylo.

The same logic you're falsely trying to apply to me here applies true to Dane, I think, so the fact that you tried to use it against me and not Dane (whose post you had to have read as it was before mine) makes you look even scummier.

Sisqo and Dane are both scum. (Plus Christina wouldn't copy me, lol.)

[Chance]

Why did it take so long for you to review Steph's case? Granted, you could've gone out, eaten dinner, whatever, but why bother posting that you don't understand a paragraph-long case when you could've just spent that time rereading it? It just looks bad that there was a sudden clairvoyance after it was made clear that only 1 more vote was needed until the day would end.

I did go out, actually, I had rehearsal. Part of that was in-character, too - I was treating Stephanie as 'Crazy Stephanie'. And I won't deny that a minor reason for my vote was to avoid modfire as I hadn't voted the previous day. My major reason was Stephanie's case, though.

[Chance]

Um, I guess I'm just confused about letter A. Since when is a power (other than, you know, Exiling Citizens) that helps the scum win more likely than him just trying to get you mislynched?

Missed this, sorry. Sisqo-scum wouldn't be trying to mislynch me without a reason. My personal thought is that the scum team has a daykill of some sort that they can use to drop the numbers and win tomorrow (when it's, I assume, LYLO).

[Sisqo]

Sept 16, 2010 16:31:04 GMT -6 Chance said:

The same logic you're falsely trying to apply to me here applies true to Dane, I think, so the fact that you tried to use it against me and not Dane (whose post you had to have read as it was before mine) makes you look even scummier.

Point Chance. I missed this completely.

This is the most persuasive you've been all game, to my mind, and yet you're still scum.

Gertrude - I mean that Dylan accused me (correctly) of protesting that I was a hard-working townie. It struck him as "off". I haven't forgotten about my other suspects, you included, but I want to take out the person I'm certain is scum.

[Owen]

Oh lord, not this shit again.

Sisqo - Your point on Chance seeming to have inside info on the mechanics is solid. Chance's response is plausible as well. As Chance said, Dane is also guilty of saying the same thing, which you made no mention of. You're either reaching for things on Chance (to the point where you ignore when others do the same exact thing you accuse him of) or you did actually get a guilty report.

[Chance]

You're either reaching for things on Chance (to the point where you ignore when others do the same exact thing you accuse him of) or you did actually get a guilty report.

Even if he did get a guilty report on me (he didn't), I don't see why this supposedly exonerates him from not going after Dane, Owen.

[Sisqo]

Sept 16, 2010 16:59:57 GMT -6 Owen said:

Oh lord, not this shit again.

Sisqo - Your point on Chance seeming to have inside info on the mechanics is solid. Chance's response is plausible as well. As Chance said, Dane is also guilty of saying the same thing, which you made no mention of. You're either reaching for things on Chance (to the point where you ignore when others do the same exact thing you accuse him of) or you did actually get a guilty report.

Or I missed the point that Dane made about MYLO/LYLO because I wasn't looking to respond to that post - on first glance Dane didn't say anything meriting a response - and the point Chance made about "scum powers" caught my eye. I didn't link the two until he pointed it out.

And I'm not going after Dane because CHANCE IS CONFIRMED SCUM. I guarantee you the real scum will try to discredit me, if they haven't already. Don't let them.

[Sisqo]

Look, I have to go to bed now. I suspect there'll be a run of votes in the night, and unless the scum decide to bus one of their own then three of them will be for me. If it is me, you know what to do next round when I flip town.

G'night.

[Chance]

Look, I have to go to bed now. I suspect there'll be a run of votes in the night, and unless the scum decide to bus one of their own then three of them will be for me.

You're assuming a set-in-stone number of scum here. Isn't this the same point you just tried using against me?

[Owen]

Sept 16, 2010 17:14:51 GMT -6 Chance said:

You're either reaching for things on Chance (to the point where you ignore when others do the same exact thing you accuse him of) or you did actually get a guilty report.

Even if he did get a guilty report on me (he didn't), I don't see why this supposedly exonerates him from not going after Dane, Owen.

It doesn't at all, nor did I say it did. I was clearly stating that he's either really overplaying this or it's true.

[Chance]

Sept 16, 2010 17:31:19 GMT -6 Owen said:

Sept 16, 2010 17:14:51 GMT -6 Chance said:

Even if he did get a guilty report on me (he didn't), I don't see why this supposedly exonerates him from not going after Dane, Owen.

It doesn't at all, nor did I say it did. I was clearly stating that he's either really overplaying this or it's true.

Okay. It was the either/or, with the 'or' part not mentioning the stuff on Dane that threw me. Sorry.

[Stephanie]

It looks to me like we have to either A) Lynch Chance and if he flips town, then lynch Sysqo or B) Lynch Sysqo and if he flips town, then lynch Chance.

I'm inclined to believe Sysqo, but it certainly looks like the more dangerous option. Sysqo-spy would have to know that we would lynch him tomorRow and must think this gambit is somehow worth it. So the question for me is, do we risk it and try to get a scummy Chance first, or do we play it safe and lynch Sysqo first?

[Stephanie]

I assume that Broderick would go with a standard number of scum for a 12 person game, and I think that would be 3. Could someone with more experience confirm that? In that case we are now at 7-3. If we mislynch today, we are at 5-3 tomorrow, and another mislynch would put us at 3-3 losing. We have one mislynch left (assuming 3 scum), and I am not sure I want to waste it on Sysqo, since I think he's telling the truth.

And just in case there are 4 scum...we are at 6-4 today and can't afford to mislynch Sysqo to play it safe.

Vote: Chance

[Savannah]

Savannah: On Day 1, after a few people had voted Hambone, Owen posted saying he was uncomfortable with the Hambone lynch, following it up with, "I'd probably be inclined to vote somebody who jumped on the Hammy wagon quickly." Hambone then switched his vote to Lawrence. You then added, "Lawrence quickly voted without really contributing much..." without voting. Then, after Owen and Sisqo voted for Lawrence, you did too, citing your original post.

Yup. It seemed strange Lawrence wouldn't say much about his vote and I felt that he was the scummiest at the time. The other guys might have voted before me...but that's not bandwagon. I had already stated I thought it was a strange post and vote accordingly. Is that an issue?

Why did you wait to vote for him? Your vote essentially says "I'm voting for him based on this stuff I said back here," so why didn't you vote when you said that stuff?

I was thinking about the information and making a conscientious vote. I didn't want to vote hastily and risk a mislynch without pondering a little over the best suspect. Granted he wasn't scum, but at the time I thought he was.

[qiuote]On Day 2, you complied with Sisqo's request to want to join the band, and I don't hold it against you, as I did as well. At the time of that post, though, there were 2 votes on Lawrence (Hambone and Steph). Then, Owen and Kiara voted for him as well (and Magalie voted too, for Hambone). Then, you post your vote on Lawrence, saying you forgot to put it in your first post, and provided no reasoning. [/quote]

Yeah I honestly thought I had originally voted for Lawrence...I was still convinced he was scummy and thought it best to lynch him quickly as did others.

[qupte]To clarify, you voted for Lawrence on Day 1 because he "quickly voted without really contributing much..." and voted for Lawrence on Day 2 without any reasoning. Essentially, you hopped on a bandwagon on a bandwagoner because he bandwagoned. Twice.

How do you justify this? [/quote]

My second vote had reasoning...I had originally voted for him and my opinion on him did not change much regarding the matter.

Anything else?

[Stephanie]

Sept 16, 2010 20:32:31 GMT -6 Savannah said:

Anything else?

uhhh...yeah...any thoughts on events today???

[Chance]

I'd like to point out that there was a daykill in the Spies 7 aftergame, which (I think) was also hosted by Christina, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that the scum have one. I'd also like to point out that Stephanie has completely ignored Sisqo's slip (accusing me of knowing the exact number of scum and not accusing Dane, because his explanation [lol i didn't see it] doesn't fly) and Dane's slip (said knowledge) in favor of voting alongside a claimed role that, to be frank, sucks (and I know it's fake, but obviously I can't prove it).

[Savannah]

Sept 16, 2010 20:44:16 GMT -6 Stephanie said:

Sept 16, 2010 20:32:31 GMT -6 Savannah said:

Anything else?

uhhh...yeah...any thoughts on events today???

I was just getting around to that, I was referring to my actions there.

So finally all caught up with the thread. I think Sisqo's "role" will show whether one of them is scum or town. Unless both of them are scum who are planning some elaborate plot, I think it's safe to say that if Chance is scum, Sisqo is most likely a townie. The chance of both being scum is possible, but even in that situation one scum would still be lynched. I will tentatively Vote: Chance, it might change if someone brings something else convincing up.

Sorry I haven't been around that much, I've been swamped in school.

Okay, that's all.

[Chance]

Look. Fact is, if there is some way for scum to win tomorrow, lynching me seals it. If you lynch Sisqo today and he's town (by his own admission he's just a 'townie' now anyway), you just lynch me tomorrow.

[Magalie]

VOTEChance



You help give Sisqo the power to send you packing.


IM IN THE BAND!!!

[Stephanie]

Sept 16, 2010 18:12:30 GMT -6 Stephanie said:

I assume that Broderick would go with a standard number of scum for a 12 person game, and I think that would be 3. Could someone with more experience confirm that? In that case we are now at 7-3. If we mislynch today, we are at 5-3 tomorrow, and another mislynch would put us at 3-3 losing. We have one mislynch left (assuming 3 scum), and I am not sure I want to waste it on Sysqo, since I think he's telling the truth.

And just in case there are 4 scum...we are at 6-4 today and can't afford to mislynch Sysqo to play it safe.

Well, crap, I can't count to 9. We are now 6-3. But still with 3 scum, we have one mislynch, with 4 scum we're at 5-4 and have to get it right toDay.

[Stephanie]

Unvote: Chance

Will probably still vote for him, but would like to hear from Gert and Owen first.

[Gertrude]

Hi. Word of the wise: 24 hour posting challenges are a BITCH to grade.

Also, don't try posting in mafia threads when Craig Furgerson is on. OKAY, let's do this.

I did go out, actually, I had rehearsal. Part of that was in-character, too - I was treating Stephanie as 'Crazy Stephanie'. And I won't deny that a minor reason for my vote was to avoid modfire as I hadn't voted the previous day. My major reason was Stephanie's case, though.

This is acceptable, I guess. I kinda feel like you're grasping for straws a little, though. I'm not sure, but I think you had like 2 more days to vote, so being afraid of the modfire is wimpy.

Missed this, sorry. Sisqo-scum wouldn't be trying to mislynch me without a reason. My personal thought is that the scum team has a daykill of some sort that they can use to drop the numbers and win tomorrow (when it's, I assume, LYLO).

After reading this and also somewhere later that it was mentioned that last season's had a day kill too, I understand. It just seemed weird that you suspected an odd role/power over a run-of-the-mill framing, but I gotchu, homie. Comprendo.

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Gertrude - I mean that Dylan accused me (correctly) of protesting that I was a hard-working townie. It struck him as "off". I haven't forgotten about my other suspects, you included, but I want to take out the person I'm certain is scum.

Ah. Okay, I understand. I had the same (obviously incorrect) feeling about Tina for a while. Okay, thank you for clarifying.

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Yup. It seemed strange Lawrence wouldn't say much about his vote and I felt that he was the scummiest at the time. The other guys might have voted before me...but that's not bandwagon. I had already stated I thought it was a strange post and vote accordingly. Is that an issue?

To be honest? Yes. To me, it is. I feel like by posting without the vote, you created an "out" for yourself, in case the wagon didn't build. Especially after finding out that Hambone (the first to go onto Lawrence, if prompted by Owen) was a Citizen. I just find it very suspicious that for both votes, you would argue that you were onto Lawrence early on, yet the votes say otherwise.

Yeah I honestly thought I had originally voted for Lawrence...I was still convinced he was scummy and thought it best to lynch him quickly as did others.

....What?! When is it ever good to lynch someone quickly?! This statement sets off SO MANY alarms in my head. Lynches should be discussed unless something concrete like a confirmed cop having a guilty report (and even then, I'd still suggest discussion). Blaargh.

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My main suspect (if it's not clear) is Savannah. (NOT A VOTE) But, I realize that (assuming there's three mafia) today is our last ML and we essentially have counterclaims, and therefore, we should lynch one of them.

Currently I find Sisqo to be more suspicious than Chance. But, that may be because I've never played with him before. Also, I'm trying to think of this as I would in EpicMafia. It's harder, though, because you know the roles (or at least what the roles are IF there are any) in that game and not in this.

My brain says to vote for Chance to test the cop(esque) claim, but my gut's not sure.

Sisqo - I know you're asleep, but is there anything else about this role you can provide us with? Name..? Report: content/how was it delivered..? Anything?

Finally, can someone please explain to me what everyone means by calling this "Ariel" or whatever?

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Actually, P.S. From the amount of back and forth of Chance/Sisqo (some of it seemed unnecessary), I wouldn't be surprised if they were both scum, and one was taking the hit to clear the other in the Citizens' eyes.