Episode 10 - Conversations

[Kiara]

spies8kiara (8:56:01 AM): awake?
spies8claude (8:56:07 AM): Indeed.
spies8kiara (8:56:27 AM): how are ya claude?
spies8claude (8:56:33 AM): Just fine.
spies8kiara (8:57:47 AM): so, were you there for the whole identity challenge?
spies8claude (8:57:52 AM): yeah
spies8claude (8:58:01 AM): it was fun, but I don't think we really had a shot at winning.
spies8kiara (8:58:08 AM): no? why?
spies8claude (8:58:21 AM): The clues were too vague for us only having 3 guesses.
spies8claude (8:59:15 AM): No real biggie though, the award the Spies won isn't really that useful now
spies8kiara (9:01:50 AM): lol ya, thats why i lol'd at the role investigations. unless like steph or larry has some uber-role (which i doubt) no big loss. though i really would have liked to see chance win immunity
spies8claude (9:02:23 AM): shrug
spies8claude (9:02:35 AM): Even if it's a citizen, Chance is more of a detriment than probably any Spy.
spies8kiara (9:03:10 AM): ... think so?
spies8claude (9:03:13 AM): Interesting though that you name Stephanie and Lawrence there.
spies8claude (9:03:21 AM): Why Lawrence?
spies8claude (9:03:32 AM): yeah I definitely think so
spies8claude (9:03:44 AM): Yesterday Chance tried to stop multiple people from voting Cinnamyn and get them to vote Rondak instead
spies8kiara (9:03:44 AM): beause i get no scum-read from him
spies8kiara (9:03:56 AM): true
spies8claude (9:04:06 AM): Like, there is a decent chance that both are scum
spies8claude (9:04:08 AM): but still
spies8kiara (9:04:09 AM): but imho they both spies
spies8claude (9:04:14 AM): yeah same
spies8claude (9:05:02 AM): Of the 3 spies left, I definitely think Rondak and Dane are 2.
spies8kiara (9:05:15 AM): agreed 100%
spies8kiara (9:07:15 AM): honestly, it killed me not to vote cinn. i was almost convinced she was a spy. but ron was #2, and chance was his biggest rival. i was (and still am) that if cinn went, therer wouldnt be enough votes to exile rondak (assuming chance is imprisoned)
spies8claude (9:07:46 AM): Eh
spies8kiara (9:07:51 AM): typos glaore
spies8kiara (9:07:54 AM): did that make sense>
spies8kiara (9:07:57 AM): ?
spies8claude (9:07:59 AM): Rondak is almost guaranteed to be the next lynch
spies8claude (9:08:00 AM): yeah I got it.
spies8kiara (9:08:31 AM): let me rephrase
spies8claude (9:08:35 AM): I understood, heh.
spies8kiara (9:08:43 AM): still, i want to ask
spies8kiara (9:09:44 AM): i thought cinn and ron were spies independent of eachother. so, if cinn flipped cit, and chance was imprisoned: do you still think a rondak lynch was guaranteed
spies8claude (9:10:01 AM): Most likely.
spies8kiara (9:10:06 AM): why?
spies8claude (9:10:13 AM): They both looked so bad, largely due to their interactions with each other.
spies8claude (9:10:26 AM): Rondak looked like scum just because of how he behaved toward Cinnamyn.
spies8claude (9:10:33 AM): Whether she flipped cit/spy really didn't matter.
spies8claude (9:10:51 AM): Honestly, I almost switched my vote to him. But Broderick dying right after he made a case on Cinn just seemed so obvious.
spies8claude (9:11:04 AM): It reminded me so much of Magalie getting her vote back, and then flipping Spy.
spies8kiara (9:11:32 AM): you really think the spies are that narrowminded?
spies8claude (9:11:45 AM): Well, that appears to be the case, right/
spies8claude (9:11:52 AM): But yeah, I honestly think they're largely terrible.
spies8claude (9:12:00 AM): Isaac and Alexei were like..ridiculous bad.
spies8kiara (9:12:36 AM): Well... Alexei was before my time, and i wasnt on issacs wagon,so im not the best judge of character
spies8kiara (9:13:18 AM): brb

[Kiara]

spies8kiara (4:24:55 AM): goodnight (morning?) mary, wasnt expecting to see you on
spies8mary (4:25:02 AM): Hi.
spies8kiara (4:25:15 AM): how are you?
spies8mary (4:25:23 AM): I've been so busy lately but I've been really wanting to talk with people.
spies8mary (4:25:31 AM): I'm glad someone finally logged in.
spies8mary (4:25:46 AM): I'm exhausted and reading people's suspicions.
spies8kiara (4:26:08 AM): lol some of them are more like novels, lol
spies8kiara (4:27:01 AM): i do have a major concern about owens, honestly
spies8mary (4:27:02 AM): Who do you think the three Spies are now?
spies8kiara (4:27:50 AM): my money is still on rondak. owen is rising. my #3 would be either dane or steph. what about you?
spies8mary (4:28:01 AM): It is bothering me that people are protecting Rondak for seemingly no reason.
spies8mary (4:28:12 AM): I just found a third protection.
spies8mary (4:28:21 AM): Hambone. I just posted if you want to read it.
spies8kiara (4:28:28 AM): checking
spies8kiara (4:30:48 AM): hambone has been raising flags for me. specifically in owens thread where he pretty much says 'i fos you but lol not really'. if i havent had such a strong cit readon him all game he'd be much higher up my list
spies8mary (4:31:25 AM): I haven't talked with Owen much but I got a decent Citizen read off him around episode 5-6.
spies8mary (4:31:35 AM): What do you find suspect about him?
spies8kiara (4:32:17 AM): there are two big things for me: one old, one new
spies8kiara (4:33:57 AM): old: i distinctly remember people saying that they were suspicious ok magalie because she was no help during ep3's challenge. why would a spy be of no help? because a fellow spy would likely win the power if the other side won. who were the top republican candidates? tina and owen. tina was a cit. you connect the dots.
spies8mary (4:34:28 AM): Was Owen the known candidate before that?
spies8kiara (4:35:49 AM): new: in his recent post, he made a comment about you giving him cit vibes because you made an important posts right before imprisonment because you were afarid you were going. this is valid to be, because i did the same thing when i posted my theory about isaac being the cover up. but owen waits unitl after imprisonment starts to post his big thread.
spies8kiara (4:35:52 AM): imho, yes, he was
spies8kiara (4:36:43 AM): i like owen, i really do. but right now, i have zero trust in him
spies8mary (4:37:06 AM): I think he said he sent that post to Stephanie and Claude?
spies8kiara (4:37:45 AM): i believe, because he alluded to that. but if it was me, id sent it to chance, the confirmed cit!
spies8kiara (4:38:11 AM): if that makes me crazy, please correct me
spies8mary (4:38:33 AM): I know, I find that odd as well. I was just thinking that before you said it.
spies8mary (4:39:25 AM): What's your case on Rondak? I'm reading his vote history right now.
spies8mary (4:39:34 AM): It's a pain to find old nominations.
spies8kiara (4:40:09 AM): it stinks. he was just as big of a wagoner as cinn was, and most the time from what i remember he gave no reason for his vote
spies8kiara (4:40:49 AM): even when old rondak voted alexie he was at the end of the wagon and gave crpa reasoning
spies8mary (4:40:52 AM): He was #5 on Alexei, last on the wagon I think.
spies8mary (4:40:56 AM): Ha.
spies8kiara (4:41:02 AM): ninja'd
spies8mary (4:41:02 AM): Yes.
spies8kiara (4:41:24 AM): i know everyone thinkgs im a dumb lurker spy, but ive been paying attention :-P
spies8mary (4:42:08 AM): I've never thought you were a Spy, actually.
spies8kiara (4:42:20 AM): well. near everyone then. lol
spies8kiara (4:42:39 AM): but you didnt refute the fact that i was dumb or a lurker. :-P
spies8kiara (4:42:51 AM): kidding!!!
spies8mary (4:42:56 AM): You're obviously not dumb.
spies8mary (4:43:31 AM): I think maybe you've lurked, but lurking can just mean busy sometimes.
spies8mary (4:43:48 AM): What did you make of the Cinnamyn vs. Rondak vote?
spies8kiara (4:44:08 AM): well, its hard for me to say, because im of the opinion theyre both spys
spies8mary (4:44:22 AM): It was 6-3 or so when I tried to count, and ended up 5--3-1 or so.
spies8kiara (4:44:26 AM): so for me, the only non-spy voter was you
spies8mary (4:44:46 AM): I asked everyone and it seemed Cinnamyn was a safe exile.
spies8mary (4:45:04 AM): And if crazy things happened, I thought #2 was a Spy too.
spies8mary (4:45:16 AM): So worst case scenario, we got a different Spy.
spies8kiara (4:45:54 AM): fair enough, and consistant with what others said. but my question is this: you voted chance to active his role, obviously. but why?
spies8mary (4:46:27 AM): I told him two things.
spies8mary (4:46:32 AM): One, it's more fun this way.
spies8mary (4:47:24 AM): And two, he'd have a chance to think it through and focus the exile in a pro-Cit manner.
spies8mary (4:47:39 AM): I haven't talked to him yet, but I'm not certain he accomplished that.
spies8mary (4:47:48 AM): I'm not sure why he protected Dane.
spies8kiara (4:47:49 AM): and therein lies the rub
spies8kiara (4:49:43 AM): im of a different opinion. it didnt give him a pro-cit focus, it allowed him to do the same thing i critisized claude for: hijacking the exile
spies8mary (4:50:25 AM): Well, I'm fascinated to hear his thought process.
spies8kiara (4:50:39 AM): get in line lol
spies8mary (4:50:47 AM): Dane is on my short spy list, but maybe Chance has a good argument against that.
spies8mary (4:51:36 AM): Also, for all I know, Chance has a trick up his sleeve as a confirmed Citizen.
spies8mary (4:52:02 AM): And giving him that power really can only help, at least that's how I thought when I did it.
spies8kiara (4:53:11 AM): personally i was fine with it when he wanted to protect gertrude. but had he asked my last round, id have said no. especially seeing how hard he was lobbying votes for a rondak exile. the fuck?
spies8mary (4:53:46 AM): Well, Rondak's a Spy.
spies8mary (4:54:19 AM): So I didn't have a huge problem with the lobbying.
spies8mary (4:54:53 AM): I think I just found something.
spies8kiara (4:54:59 AM): no no, your missing my point. if he wanted votes for rondak so bad, why would he waste on on him?
spies8kiara (4:55:03 AM): what?
spies8mary (4:55:15 AM): "This time, I'll nominate solely based on my past self's diary. "
spies8kiara (4:55:16 AM): waste one on*
spies8kiara (4:55:24 AM): ron or larry?
spies8mary (4:55:38 AM): Rondak nominated Chance at #6. That was his reasoning.
spies8mary (4:56:08 AM): Right before Rondak #1 left though:
spies8mary (4:56:14 AM): "My vote was for Jenny. She was consistently my top suspect and I never wavered."
spies8kiara (4:56:31 AM): do you have links for those?
spies8mary (4:56:54 AM): I'll post this observation now.
spies8mary (4:57:28 AM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=burg&thread=931&post=5042
spies8mary (4:57:53 AM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=gotopost&board=burg&thread=1156&post=6660
spies8mary (4:59:52 AM): Hmm.
spies8mary (5:00:12 AM): He also claimed to have reasons for voting Alexei before Tina and Nita posted their case.
spies8mary (5:00:20 AM): "I had my own reasons for the Alexei vote before the Nita/Tina"
spies8mary (5:00:31 AM): I have never seen those.
spies8kiara (5:00:34 AM): *scoff*
spies8kiara (5:01:25 AM): ok, this might be really superficial, but i have to ask
spies8kiara (5:02:21 AM): im looking a the burg. i see a post from sam saying kiara was replace. i see one for lilith. i see one for lawrence. i dont see one for rondak. i thought there was one, but where is it?
spies8mary (5:02:31 AM): There was one.
spies8kiara (5:03:45 AM): wait wait
spies8mary (5:03:49 AM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=1109
spies8kiara (5:03:52 AM): it was posted by them judge apollo
spies8kiara (5:04:01 AM): thats why i couldnt find it
spies8kiara (5:04:07 AM): minor panic averted, lol
spies8kiara (5:09:02 AM): i asked because i had to verify that he was in fact replaced between those posts. it is a bit damning, but the jenny one was on th 7th whereas his replacement was on the 16th. a lot can happen in a week. unfortunately he has no vote for ep5 so its a hard call.
spies8mary (5:10:04 AM): Let's see.
spies8mary (5:12:09 AM): He did not join group chat on the 7th.
spies8mary (5:12:18 AM): Nor at all in episode 5.
spies8mary (5:12:43 AM): And was not at Exile 4.
spies8mary (5:13:04 AM): So I assume he disappeared for good and never posted after he made that Jenny statement.
spies8kiara (5:13:10 AM): if thats true it is reasonalbe to assume he would not have posted anything in his confessional to change b-rondak's mind
spies8mary (5:13:19 AM): Which leaves no explanation for his statement about his Chance vote.
spies8kiara (5:13:48 AM): that is a very good point, and id love to hear his explaination
spies8kiara (5:28:11 AM): ok, its way past my bedtime, lol. nite mary, hopefully ill see you tomorrow
spies8mary (5:28:27 AM): Ok.
spies8mary (5:28:30 AM): Sleep well.
spies8mary (5:28:35 AM): It was good to talk to you again.
spies8kiara (5:28:42 AM): likewise, take care