Episode 4 - Conversations

[Kiara]

Quick ones, to avoid penalties.

spies8kiara (6:35:49 PM): happy 4th
spies8tina (6:36:01 PM): Yes. Happy 4th.
spies8kiara (6:37:14 PM): staying in?
spies8tina (6:37:47 PM): Just with family so yes. Also were I am right now they are not allowed to use fireworks except for the big shows, so not much of that.
spies8kiara (6:39:13 PM): lets not play the state game, lol. so up for talking game or taking the day off?
spies8tina (6:39:35 PM): I am willing to talk even though I may have to run out sometime soon.
spies8kiara (6:41:42 PM): thats fine im sitting in the back of a car myself. so whats your thoughts on jenny knowing about nita
spies8tina (6:42:18 PM): Odd, but knowing Nita, and knowing what she thought of people it makes sense actually.
spies8tina (6:42:41 PM): Nita was suspect of Jenny, so claiming to someone you think is a spy would be a way to maybe cut down on imprisonment chances.
spies8kiara (6:43:41 PM): so its true she was suss of jen?
spies8tina (6:43:47 PM): She was.
spies8tina (6:43:57 PM): Jenny was her gut spy pick after Alexei exile.
spies8kiara (6:45:51 PM): do you know when she (or when jen claimed) they had that converstion?
spies8tina (6:46:25 PM): I think it was sometime early on, although I am not quite sure when. I think it was mentioned in group chat at some point.
spies8kiara (6:47:28 PM): baa crashed if you answered i missed it
spies8tina (6:47:50 PM): I just said I think it was mentioned at some point. Maybe a week ago it happened? I am not sure.
spies8kiara went idle at 6:48:25 PM
spies8kiara came back from idle at 6:48:58 PM
spies8kiara (6:50:44 PM): well i have a theory. lemme know what you think...
spies8kiara (6:51:48 PM): nina suspected jen. was right...
spies8kiara (6:52:27 PM): spies decided to sacrifice alexie to gain her trust...
spies8kiara (6:53:03 PM): her on the way says jens a cit and heres why
spies8kiara (6:56:28 PM): make sense? thoughts
spies8tina (6:56:59 PM): The "sacrafice alexei" thing sounds odd.
spies8tina (6:57:56 PM): spies8kiara 6:53 pm
her on the way says jens a cit and heres why
spies8tina (6:58:02 PM): Can you explain that a bit more?
spies8kiara (6:59:03 PM): nita needed what, 10 tasks to win?
spies8tina (6:59:16 PM): I think so.
spies8tina (7:00:37 PM): I would assume the point of claiming to Jenny (and Rondak?) was to say some things she needs to do aid spies to someone she thinks could be a spy.
spies8tina (7:00:43 PM): In hopes of not getting imprisoned.
spies8kiara (7:01:42 PM): says she has 9, on the verge of 10. decides she wants to help the citz. she announces jenny is a cit for helping with the cit tasks. perfect cover
spies8tina (7:02:42 PM): I do not think Jenny-spy would have claimed to Nita.
spies8kiara (7:03:50 PM): crash again may have missed something. anything after my 9/10 message
spies8tina (7:04:09 PM): spies8tina 7:02 pm
I do not think Jenny-spy would have claimed to Nita.
spies8kiara (7:05:19 PM): again. crash. think you can pm me the whole convo?

[Kiara]

Saturday, July 03, 2010
spies8owen (9:43:57 PM): Well, that blows.
spies8owen (9:44:08 PM): My most trusted citizen dies... and wasn't a citizen. FML!
spies8kiara (9:44:18 PM): lol
spies8kiara (9:44:27 PM): well at least she wasnt a spy, so you were half right lol
spies8owen (9:44:41 PM): She was the best hunter in the game, IMO. Shit, shit, shit.
spies8kiara (9:44:58 PM): well, she would have turned on us eventually
spies8owen (9:46:45 PM): Mmhmm. And now I'm not sure what I should take seriously of what she's said.
spies8kiara (9:48:36 PM): if jenny (?) is to be believed, then she was working strongly on her cit-aligned tasks. so id be tempted to give her the benefit of the doubt
spies8owen (9:49:14 PM): Jenny says she was working with her?
spies8owen (9:49:25 PM): Didn't catch up with the chats from today yet -- was it in there?
spies8kiara (9:50:04 PM): someone said it in the chat. they claimed the role to her because nita thought she was a spy and was trying to convince her not to imprison her so they could work together. or something
spies8owen (9:51:29 PM): Ahh, gotcha.
spies8owen (9:51:33 PM): I've gotta talk to Ms. Jenny
spies8kiara (9:51:52 PM): mhmm

[Kiara]

Monday, July 05, 2010

spies8jenny (7:56:02 PM): You there?
spies8kiara (7:58:39 PM): hey jenny
spies8jenny (7:58:45 PM): There you are!
spies8kiara (7:58:52 PM): lol
spies8jenny (7:58:54 PM): Haven't seen you the last few days, how have you been?
spies8kiara (7:59:21 PM): good, busy with 4th stuff
spies8jenny (7:59:52 PM): You get a chance to catch up on the stuff in the game?
spies8kiara (8:00:34 PM): i think. i mean not much seems to have happened over the week.
spies8kiara (8:00:39 PM): weekend
spies8kiara (8:02:13 PM): seems like the biggest thing was nita having claimed her role
spies8jenny (8:02:14 PM): Unfortunately.
spies8jenny (8:02:28 PM): Unfortunately being that nobody was on I mean.
spies8jenny (8:02:39 PM): Starting to get some people back finally at least.
spies8kiara (8:02:54 PM): good number of people on
spies8jenny (8:03:27 PM): More then recently anyways.
spies8kiara (8:03:43 PM): yup
spies8jenny (8:04:42 PM): So what are you thinking so far?
spies8kiara (8:08:29 PM): right now i have no real clue who id vote for. im kinda stuck on magalie with her self voting and influx in activity recently. it does worry me that she got such an overwhelming number of votes. something about it seems weird. im also worried about claude, right role seems kinda scummy to me and the way he was talking about pretty much hijacking the vote it bothersome
spies8jenny (8:09:52 PM): He ended up picking Al with that for today.
spies8kiara (8:11:00 PM): someone said he was thinking about doing that, but the fact that he was thinking about it is bad. plus there was him 'assuming im not lying' question which stuck me as bizarre
spies8jenny (8:12:19 PM): I missed that question I think.
spies8jenny (8:12:43 PM): And we were kind of asking him to use it on Al, since it was before Ni-Ni's role came out and we were hoping to confirm both the power roles at once by doing so, which seems to have worked anyways.
spies8kiara (8:13:14 PM): spies8claude (11:02:25 PM): Sam: Hypothetically assuming that I didn't lie to everyone about how my abilities work.
spies8kiara (8:13:31 PM): spies8claude (11:02:36 PM): What would happen if I told Owen he could only vote for 3 people, but none of them get nominated?
spies8jenny (8:13:47 PM): Oh right. Yeah that was just bizzare. Maybe he figured Sam wouldn't answer becuase of not wanting to confirm roles which makes sense at least.
spies8kiara (8:14:45 PM): i just cant imagine why he would ask that
spies8jenny (8:15:19 PM): Being impatient?
spies8kiara (8:16:15 PM): i mean why he would ask it at all
spies8jenny (8:16:41 PM): To get an answer about how his power was going to be affected, and was too impatient to wait for Sam to tell him in private?
spies8kiara (8:18:14 PM): ok, my bad, poor wording. the questiong is fair, but saying the if he wasnt lying is the part that bothers me
spies8jenny (8:19:10 PM): Like I said, I think he figured Sam wouldn't want to answer it, thinking Sam wouldn't want to confirm a role by answering.
spies8jenny (8:19:18 PM): Certainly didn't come off well though.
spies8kiara (8:20:10 PM): still i think its weird
spies8jenny (9:09:15 PM): spies8broderick: Lol. Aye aye aye. I will be flabbergasted if the spies don't win
spies8kiara (9:09:30 PM): say what?
spies8jenny (9:09:54 PM): Arg, Meebo ate one of my IM's.
spies8jenny (9:10:02 PM): [22:09] spies8jenny: You see this at all?
[22:09] spies8jenny: spies8broderick: Lol. Aye aye aye. I will be flabbergasted if the spies don't win
spies8kiara (9:13:12 PM): yeah i got that, but i dont get it lol hes giving up after a few misexiles?
spies8jenny (9:13:57 PM): A couple of us were thinking if he meant to say that to a spy buddy.
spies8kiara (9:15:26 PM): iduno, if i was a spy saying that to another spy, i think id most likely say 'i will be flabbergasted if we dont win'
spies8jenny (9:16:33 PM): Possible I guess. Might have just been speaking about the group in general though, I've done that a few times myself when talking about cits.
spies8kiara (9:17:29 PM): true
spies8kiara (9:18:31 PM): did he have anything more to say about it?
spies8jenny (9:19:08 PM): Besides claming it was to see who was lurking? Not really.
spies8kiara (9:20:12 PM): lol what? how does that make any sense
spies8jenny (9:20:23 PM): That's kind of what we're saying.
spies8jenny (9:20:41 PM): it's in the group chats
spies8jenny (9:20:48 PM): You should be able to ctrl+f for that line
spies8jenny (9:20:49 PM): and go from there.
spies8kiara (9:21:55 PM): ill have to take a look when its posted
spies8jenny (9:22:40 PM): It's already posted.
spies8jenny (9:22:42 PM): it was from last night.
spies8jenny (9:22:59 PM): spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=822

That topic
spies8kiara (9:23:28 PM): oh ok i thought it was recent
spies8jenny (9:23:37 PM): Well last night is fairly recent to me.
spies8jenny (10:12:55 PM): You coming in the group chat?
spies8kiara (10:13:41 PM): they overwhelm me, but i probably should join it
spies8jenny (10:13:48 PM):
spies8jenny (10:13:57 PM): You need another invite, or no?
spies8jenny (10:14:07 PM): I guess not.
spies8kiara (10:14:14 PM): lol thanks anyway

[Kiara]

Monday, July 05, 2010
spies8hambone (8:23:56 PM): hi
spies8kiara (8:24:44 PM): hey hambone! whats up?
spies8hambone (8:25:41 PM): whats goin on
spies8hambone (8:25:50 PM): how have u 5 days in the game been? :-D
spies8hambone (8:25:51 PM): jk
spies8kiara (8:26:15 PM): lol
spies8hambone (8:33:12 PM): who u lookin at right now
spies8kiara (8:44:00 PM): sorry, had to take some things out of my car
spies8kiara (8:44:59 PM): im really not sure who id nominate right now. magalie is intereting me. self voting and being at the exile? odd. and claudes role looks real scummy to me
spies8hambone (8:46:29 PM): i agree about claude
spies8hambone (8:46:44 PM): what do u think about jenny
spies8kiara (8:50:21 PM): the fact that she new about nitas role is odd. part of me wants to say that if she was a spy she could have used nita to her benefit. when nita was about to achieve her final goal she could announce that jenny was a citizen because she helped her finish her citizen aligned tasks. itd be a great cover. the fact that nita was taken out makes me think otherwise
spies8hambone (8:50:58 PM): good answer
spies8hambone (8:51:13 PM): ur the first person who has backed up jenn
spies8hambone (8:51:17 PM): with a good response
spies8kiara (8:51:32 PM): really? what has everyone else been saying?
spies8hambone (8:51:37 PM): but then i ask you, if Jenny revealed allans-cit role to us
spies8hambone (8:51:43 PM): why didnt she reveal nita's non-cit role
spies8kiara (8:52:26 PM): because she though allan was in danger of being exiled. we had that arguement the other day. personally i thought there was a strong chance of him going when she claimed
spies8hambone (8:53:27 PM): ok but still
spies8hambone (8:53:29 PM): nita aint on our team
spies8hambone (8:53:35 PM): what benefit for us does she have
spies8hambone (8:53:43 PM): especially if she only revealed half of her missions to jenny
spies8hambone (8:53:50 PM): the other half couldve been "KILL KIARA"
spies8hambone (8:53:53 PM): "KILL TINA"
spies8hambone (8:53:55 PM): etc.
spies8kiara (8:54:03 PM): good point
spies8hambone (8:54:06 PM): also she could have lied to us whenever she wanted
spies8hambone (8:54:08 PM): which she did
spies8hambone (8:54:23 PM): she told jenny she needed to survive til exile9 as one of her missions
spies8hambone (8:54:28 PM): when it was really exile8
spies8hambone (8:54:36 PM): she wanted to sneak out a win
spies8kiara (8:56:26 PM): well i cant say i blame her, someone (you?) said we might wait until the end to kill her just before she can win. but it isnt like if she won we lost. didnt sam say she just was going to be removed from the game? she still could have done all she could to help us if she wanted. which is backed up be the fact that she appeared more than willing to do the cit alligned tasks
spies8hambone (8:56:51 PM): i didnt say that
spies8hambone (8:56:53 PM): and really?
spies8hambone (8:56:56 PM): i assumed the game would end
spies8hambone (8:56:58 PM): with nita winning
spies8kiara (8:58:08 PM): She had to complete ten out of twelve missions to win the game, if she was successful, she would achieve victory, win the game, and leave it.
spies8hambone (8:59:32 PM): oh damn
spies8hambone (8:59:38 PM): well still
spies8hambone (8:59:45 PM): i wouldnt have trusted anyone who told me they aint on my team
spies8kiara (9:03:11 PM): that is a good point. plus if jenny was a spy she would never say 'ok yeah im a spy lets work together' because who says shes telling the trust, it could have been ploy to get a spy out
spies8hambone (9:04:06 PM): mhm

[Kiara]

Monday, July 05, 2010
spies8cinnamyn (9:16:31 PM): whatsup kiara dont think ive talked wit' u yet peaches
spies8kiara (9:18:05 PM): hey girl! no i dont think so. been busy with the holudays since the teams disolved. whats up?
spies8cinnamyn (9:19:20 PM): same here.! but now im sober so ready 2 get back in2 da game lmbo.!
spies8cinnamyn (9:20:12 PM): wut r u thinkin' 4 a nominashin dis round.?
spies8kiara (9:21:37 PM): i rally dont know, which bothers me. im a little stuck on magalie now after being nominated last round and self voting and attending the exile. but claudes role seems real scummy to me
spies8cinnamyn (9:22:25 PM): stuck on magalie az in u dont no wut 2 think of her.?
spies8kiara (9:25:28 PM): yeah. its suspicious. but the fact that she got as many votes as she did bothers me. seeing as most the other votes have been so scattered
spies8cinnamyn (9:26:01 PM): do u think claudez role iz suspishis.? or do u think da way he uzes it iz suspishis
spies8cinnamyn (9:26:06 PM): i think more da secund one
spies8kiara (9:27:37 PM): both. the ability to fuck with the exile votes seems scummy, and the fact that he was thinking about dominating the vote this round bothers me
spies8cinnamyn (9:28:15 PM): wut i dont lyke iz dat he uzes it on chance so much n' still wont let up on hiz chance suspishinz
spies8cinnamyn (9:28:29 PM): n' he kinda refusez 2 luk at otha suspects, u no.?
spies8kiara (9:30:24 PM): yeah, the tunnel vision is bad. and i also found it odd that he prevented chance from voting for him or jasmine last round when jasmine was on our side
spies8cinnamyn (9:30:46 PM): he sed it wuz a mistake, i think
spies8cinnamyn (9:30:48 PM): still
spies8kiara (9:31:45 PM): oops i accident misspelled someones name and wrote jasmine instead?
spies8cinnamyn (9:33:02 PM): i cant remember who he sed it wuz, i jus' remember it didnt work out cuz dey wuz on da otha team
spies8cinnamyn (9:33:14 PM): bottom line tho, he jus' wanted 2 screw wit chance
spies8cinnamyn (9:33:15 PM): again
spies8kiara (9:33:33 PM): which doesnt even seem fail
spies8kiara (9:33:49 PM): fair
spies8cinnamyn (9:34:10 PM): at least he uzed it 2 test allanz role
spies8cinnamyn (9:34:17 PM): after sum persuashin tho, i think
spies8kiara (9:35:33 PM): hmm, i wonder if hell be able to use any of the 3 options or just the one used on him
spies8cinnamyn (9:36:20 PM): jus' da 1 uzed on him
spies8kiara (9:37:46 PM): too bad. would be nicer if allan got the full extent of it. claude saying that he may have lied about his role bothers me
spies8cinnamyn (9:38:44 PM): well, he cud have
spies8cinnamyn (9:38:56 PM): errybody can make up rolez, but now dat we no allan really got hiz den itz a moot point
spies8kiara (9:39:14 PM): true
spies8cinnamyn (9:40:51 PM): im between jenny n' izaac rite now
spies8cinnamyn (9:40:54 PM): how u feel bout dem.?
spies8kiara (9:43:38 PM): jenny im leaning cit towards. if she was a spy she could have helped nita with the cit aligned tasks she had and it would make great cover. just before nita leaves the game she could claim that jenny is a cit because of the aid she got and it would make for a great cover. besides, is she was a spy she knew nita was focusing on the cit aligned tasks, so she was no real immediate threat
spies8kiara (9:44:26 PM): isaac iduno i have to read up on. the only thing i remember anyone saying about him specifically is that they though he may have made a scum slip involving themba. but themba flipped cit so that shoots that to hell
spies8cinnamyn (9:45:52 PM): y wud jenny want 2 help nita wit' da cit tasks if dey involved thingz lyke exilin' spiez.?
spies8kiara (9:46:04 PM): bussing?
spies8cinnamyn (9:46:09 PM): nita had a case on her 4 bein' a spy, not nita cant post it
spies8cinnamyn (9:46:14 PM): *now
spies8cinnamyn (9:46:29 PM): but she didnt bus alexei, jenny didnt vote 4 him
spies8kiara (9:47:01 PM): but jenny knowing alexei was a spy could have pushed nita towards him
spies8cinnamyn (9:48:08 PM): but she culdnt have bused cuz jenny didnt make n e suspishinz of alexei
spies8cinnamyn (9:48:11 PM): 2 my nowledge
spies8kiara (9:48:40 PM): not publically, could have in pm though
spies8kiara (9:48:55 PM): just a theory anyway
spies8cinnamyn (9:49:12 PM): i feel u
spies8cinnamyn (9:49:38 PM): wut about jenny only lukin' 4 citz, but den she dont try 2 save da ppl she think iz citz.?
spies8kiara (9:49:57 PM): what do you mean?
spies8cinnamyn (9:51:09 PM): well jenny haz sed a lot dat she dont luk 4 spiez, she only luk 4 citz
spies8cinnamyn (9:51:21 PM): but exile round 2, she thot savannah, allan, n' themba wuz all citz
spies8cinnamyn (9:51:28 PM): but she didnt try 2 push any votez off of them
spies8cinnamyn (9:51:34 PM): so wen she claimed 4 allan, all da votez went 2 savannah
spies8cinnamyn (9:51:38 PM): who she still thot wuz cit
spies8cinnamyn (9:51:55 PM): she sed stephanie wuz most suspishis, but only menshined her once in da group chat after she claimed 4 allan
spies8kiara (9:52:37 PM): i guess its true she did exactly push to save savannah too hard
spies8cinnamyn (9:53:02 PM): i dont get y if she only lukin' 4 citz, y aint she tryin' 2 save dose citz.?
spies8cinnamyn (9:53:05 PM): how iz she helpin.?
spies8kiara (9:53:23 PM): thats actually a real good point
spies8cinnamyn (9:54:16 PM): so datz y im leanin towardz her

[Kiara]

Saturday, July 03, 2010
spies8chance (4:56:01 PM): 'sup kiara.
spies8kiara (4:56:13 PM): hiya chance! whats up?
spies8chance (4:56:36 PM): meh, tired. holidays depress me. :-P and tomorrow's going to be even more depressing. but the weather's pretty good right now.
spies8kiara (4:57:24 PM): i dont think ive ever heard anyone being depressed by the 4th of july before!
spies8chance (4:57:58 PM): it's mostly because my family doesn't do holidays much anymore.
spies8chance (4:58:06 PM): the actual holidays don't depress me, it's the lack of celebrating.
spies8kiara (4:58:14 PM): ahh ok, thats too bad
spies8chance (4:58:17 PM): :-(
spies8chance (4:58:25 PM): but that's neither here nor there. what's up with you?
spies8kiara (4:59:16 PM): not a whole lot, just louncing around the house. figured id pop on aim and see who was on, but the holiday weekend seems to have most people away
spies8chance (4:59:26 PM): yeah, looks like.
spies8kiara (5:00:22 PM): isnt the imprisonment suppose to be today? maybe people will be on later
spies8chance (5:00:48 PM): i hope so.
spies8chance (5:10:01 PM): so given that themba turned out to be a cit, where are you looking now?
spies8kiara (5:10:38 PM): stephanie, lilith, and claude
spies8chance (5:11:02 PM): i've heard a couple people talking about being suspicious of stephanie, but i haven't been able to figure out why. haven't really talked to her. mind elaborating?
spies8kiara (5:13:54 PM): a lot of things she says just sort of make no sense to me at all. i dont get the impression that she is dumb but some of the conclusions she comes to leave me screatching my head. then there was a conversation the other night in the public chat where broderick was asking her questions and she just sort of flipped out and left. seemed overly dramatic to me
spies8chance (5:14:38 PM): well, brod's questioning sessions can be... intense. i don't know if they're leave-the-chat-worthy, but i can see someone flipping out because of him.
spies8kiara (5:15:57 PM): well, to add to it, she later posted a thread about it in the burg, the one on easy target, she she really did strip down the chat. made brod look worse off than he was
spies8chance (5:16:38 PM): hmm. i saw that thread, but never actually looked at it.
spies8kiara (5:19:06 PM): so what about you? stuck on magalie?
spies8chance (5:19:40 PM): nah, i'd have voted claude if i could have.
spies8kiara (5:20:00 PM): if you could?
spies8chance (5:20:04 PM): yes.
spies8chance (5:20:11 PM): claude disallowed me from voting for him last episode.
spies8chance (5:20:16 PM): with his role.
spies8kiara (5:20:34 PM): ahh. doesnt he get two picks? what was the other one?
spies8chance (5:21:06 PM): jasmine.
spies8chance (5:21:14 PM): he knew i suspected her too, i guess.
spies8kiara (5:21:32 PM): ahh
spies8kiara (5:21:44 PM): jasmine im iffy on right now
spies8chance (5:21:54 PM): but that was kind of pointless since jasmine was a republican. :;p
spies8kiara (5:22:26 PM): lol well if you guys would have won the challenge and we nominated her it wouldnt have been
spies8chance (5:22:56 PM): haha, that's true, i guess.

[Kiara]

Wednesday, July 07, 2010
spies8tina (7:33:58 PM): So given that Claude did not go up, who is your top pick?
spies8kiara (7:34:59 PM): if i was owen, i honestly have no idea what id do
spies8tina (7:35:11 PM): Are all three town reads?
spies8kiara (7:35:54 PM): if i was picking one 24 hours ago, it would be steph. but with the nominations being tampered with iduno

[Kiara]

Wednesday, July 07, 2010
spies8lilith (9:56:19 PM): woohoo replacements!
spies8kiara (9:56:30 PM): lol hi lil
spies8lilith (9:56:40 PM): how are you?
spies8kiara (9:56:45 PM): ok, you?
spies8lilith (9:56:51 PM): good good :-)
spies8lilith (9:57:00 PM): What are your thoughts on the candidates?
spies8kiara (9:58:00 PM): im thinking were exiling a citizen tonite
spies8lilith (9:58:17 PM): Why do you say that?
spies8lilith (9:58:30 PM): Do you think all three are citizens? (I think it is a strong possibility btw)
spies8kiara (9:58:40 PM): after recent events i dont feel strongly on any of them being a spy
spies8lilith (9:58:55 PM): What recent events ?
spies8kiara (9:59:31 PM): nita being a 3rd party, the spy message sent to allan, the nominations being tampered with
spies8lilith (9:59:56 PM): What are your thoughts on those? Why do they make you think Isaac and Jenny are citizens?
spies8kiara (10:01:27 PM): if jenny is a spy, i see no good reason in inprisoning nita. it just doesnt make any sense to me. i dont think the spies knew about her. isaac i have never really felt too strong on. there was some talk about a link between him and themba, but she was a cit. so iduno

[Kiara]

Wednesday, July 07, 2010
spies8gertrude (7:53:02 PM): Hi, Kiara?
spies8kiara (7:53:14 PM): oh hey
spies8gertrude (7:53:19 PM): Hi!
spies8kiara (7:53:55 PM): whats up?
spies8gertrude (7:54:12 PM): I don't mean to be this blunt, but I was almost unaware of your existence until today when I saw your post.
spies8gertrude (7:54:38 PM): Do you contribute to the chat?
spies8kiara (7:54:51 PM): honestly, no. i feel lost in the chats.
spies8gertrude (7:55:53 PM): Oh,ok.
spies8gertrude (7:56:05 PM): Do you mind if I ask who your top suspects are?
spies8kiara (7:56:20 PM): i know its a bad thing, but i always feel overwhelmed
spies8gertrude (7:56:42 PM): No, it's acceptable if you can back yourself up.
spies8kiara (7:58:27 PM): after recent events, im not as sure. 24 hours ago if i had to pick between the nominees id say steph, but with the vote tampering im not so sure. i was also really suspicious of cluades role. but if its confirmed by allens, then we know hes telling the truth. and so far weve seen a person giving exile immunity, a person covering up the votes, and a spy messenger. thats a lot of spy abilities. makes me thing claudes might be a cit ability after all
spies8gertrude (8:00:02 PM): and so far weve seen a person giving exile immunity,
spies8gertrude (8:00:10 PM): What makes you so sure that that role is a Spy role?
spies8kiara (8:00:56 PM): we have a doctor who can protect citizens from imprisonment, seems fair for the spies to have an ability to protect them from exile
spies8gertrude (8:01:19 PM): That makes sense.
spies8gertrude (8:02:53 PM): I would suggest that you not assume so strongly without confirmation, though.
spies8kiara (8:03:40 PM): of course, im not setting myself on it. its just what makes the most sense to me given the current information
spies8gertrude (8:04:57 PM): Gotcha.
spies8gertrude (8:05:09 PM): What about Owen strikes you as town?
spies8gertrude (8:05:28 PM): I'd assume you think he is, considering you gave him your vote for the ultimate power.
spies8kiara (8:05:38 PM): well, yes and no
spies8kiara (8:05:55 PM): it was obvious that it was between owen and tina. i dont trust tina
spies8gertrude (8:06:03 PM): Ah.
spies8kiara (8:06:34 PM): im inclinde to thing owen is town, because he was more aggressive in sating he wanted the ability than tina was
spies8kiara (8:06:44 PM): well, maybe not aggressive. but vocal
spies8gertrude (8:07:13 PM): Owen vocally asked for the power?
spies8kiara (8:07:35 PM): hmm, hold on, let me see if i can find it
spies8kiara (8:09:22 PM): from a chat between hin and i:
spies8kiara (8:09:25 PM): spies8owen (9:11:46 PM): Tina actually didn't seem too confident with herself getting it.
spies8owen (9:11:56 PM): I, on the other hand, want it, no matter how stressful it'll likely be.
spies8gertrude (8:09:48 PM): Ah.
spies8gertrude (8:10:00 PM): And you think that asking for it makes him more town?
spies8kiara (8:11:37 PM): the best i can do is think 'what would i do'. if i was a spy, i dont think id want to lobby too hard from it because i would fear that most people would suspect the spies would want to dominate the power, especially one sam says is 'the biggest ever'
spies8gertrude (8:12:38 PM): No?
spies8gertrude (8:12:46 PM): I feel like a Spy would revel in that power.
spies8gertrude (8:13:12 PM): But.
spies8gertrude (8:13:18 PM): At the same time, I see your point.
spies8gertrude (8:13:30 PM): Making oneself visible like that is probably not wise.
spies8kiara (8:13:38 PM): it really depends on if the spies are playing a short-term game or a long-term one
spies8kiara (8:14:21 PM): if, say, claude and/or rodnak turn out to be spies then they are probably playing short term. if stpeh turns out to be a spy, theyre playing long
spies8gertrude (8:16:21 PM): Hmm.
spies8gertrude (8:16:28 PM): And if Owen turns out to be one?
spies8kiara (8:16:35 PM): then were all hosed, lol
spies8gertrude (8:16:48 PM): Ha, indeed.
spies8gertrude (8:16:56 PM): Well, most of us are, anyways.
spies8gertrude (8:17:10 PM): 5 people would be happy.
spies8kiara (8:17:33 PM): lol i dont care about their happiness, so i wasnt countig them :-P
spies8gertrude (8:18:34 PM): Ha, alright.
spies8gertrude (8:20:35 PM): How do you feel about the people getting Immunity from Exile? I know you feel like it's probably a Spy role used to protect them, does that mean you think Chance and I are Spies?
spies8kiara (8:23:51 PM): chance is a tough call. tfirst round votes were split pretty well, him being one of them. and his pissing match with claude made him a stand out. that could have been done as a diversion. you im not so sure on because i wasnt aware of you being much of a suspect. the question for me was why was no one picked the round between? if they have the ability not to pick anyone, why bother picking you at all? unless they have a limited number of no-pick uses. in which case they may have picked you as a throw away use.
spies8gertrude (8:24:25 PM): That is an interesting point.
spies8gertrude (8:25:21 PM): Nobody, to my knowledge, has asked about the break in between.
spies8gertrude (8:25:25 PM): I didn't even think of it.
spies8kiara (8:26:21 PM): at first i though maybe claude lied. he took away someones vote and gave them immunity. in which case that would be really suspicious! but you getting it this round foils that idea
spies8gertrude (8:26:45 PM): Mm. But for all you know, I may have lost my vote.
spies8gertrude (8:26:50 PM): Right?
spies8kiara (8:27:04 PM): ...because they were covered up!!!
spies8gertrude (8:27:10 PM): Yes.
spies8gertrude (8:27:12 PM): But I didn't.
spies8kiara (8:27:49 PM): lol you got me excited for a second!
spies8gertrude (8:27:57 PM): But, if you don't believe me, it's something to keep in mind.
spies8kiara (8:28:07 PM): well, heres a question
spies8gertrude (8:28:10 PM): I mean, as far as I know, Sam told Chance that he lost his vote.
spies8gertrude (8:28:20 PM): So I should've known if that happened or not.
spies8kiara (8:28:48 PM): when did sam tell chance? i mean, if were being hypotheitcal here, you could be lying. though as of now i have no reason to suspect you would be
spies8gertrude (8:30:02 PM): I don't know. If I recall correctly..
spies8gertrude (8:30:11 PM): It was basically right after Exile happened.
spies8gertrude (8:30:43 PM): We found out that Chance was Immune, and Chance announced that Sam informed him of the vote thing.
spies8gertrude (8:30:54 PM): And then, Claude claimed.
spies8kiara (8:33:32 PM): wait. if claude was telling the truth about his role, he has to use the ability that forces someone to vote for 1 of 3 people. allededly he used it on allan. if thats the case well know next round if allan uses it on someone else. and if thats the case, the you couldnt have lost you vote because then hed have to use 2 of his options at once
spies8gertrude (8:34:13 PM): Right. But you said in that case, Claude would've been lying.
spies8gertrude (8:34:41 PM): So I figured that would be a continuation of his lying.
spies8kiara (8:36:53 PM): i think it would be a bit of an overpowered role if he had the ability to use two of its options at once. so i dont see that as an option. so if allan turns out to have had that ability used on him, i think its unlikely claude could have takne your vote and made you immune
spies8gertrude (8:37:06 PM): I agree.
spies8gertrude (8:37:19 PM): I feel like the Immune isn't part of Claude's role.
spies8kiara (8:38:57 PM): neither do i. but last round i thought it was an option. i believe i even mentioned the possibiliy in owens questionaire
spies8gertrude (8:41:57 PM): Interesting
spies8gertrude (8:42:12 PM): Who do you think is NOT a Spy?
spies8kiara (8:45:03 PM): hmm
spies8gertrude (8:45:20 PM): If you don't feel comfortable answering that, feel free to opt out.
spies8kiara (8:45:34 PM): nothing good comes from censorship in this game
spies8kiara (8:48:24 PM): hypothetically if i had a role, and decided i needed to confide in someone, i think id actually pick hambone. which is admittedly a little weird because we have spoken very little. but when i came in as a replacement i started reading all the old post to catch up from oldest to most recent, drawing some of my own conclusions along the way. as i went one hambones posts mirrored my own conclusions the closest. im a citizen, and this is what im thinking, so perhaps the person who is thinking most like me is also thinking as a citizen
spies8gertrude (8:49:11 PM): Hmm.
spies8gertrude (8:49:13 PM): Ok.
spies8gertrude (8:49:33 PM): I think Hambone is a Citizen as well, though I couldn't see myself claiming to him, ha.
spies8kiara (8:50:35 PM): well, i have a hard time calling him a citizen outright. thats why i put it that way. like if i was a cop and i knew someone was a spy but didnt want to out myself yet and had no choice but to cross my fingers and pick someone, it be him
spies8gertrude (8:51:35 PM): Gotcha.
spies8kiara (8:53:56 PM): so what about you? if you were in an owen type position, but werent limited to the 3 nominations, who would you get rid of?
spies8gertrude (8:54:12 PM): Mmm.
spies8gertrude (8:54:19 PM): Probably Rondak, at this point.
spies8kiara (8:54:38 PM): why him?
spies8gertrude (8:57:11 PM): Well, in my experience (which is, admittedly, limited), intelligent people who act confused even when presented with the most basic of game mechanics are usually scum.
spies8kiara (8:58:51 PM): i agree, though i have to ask about the 'intelligent people' part. not that i think rondak is dunb, mind you, but what gives you an intelligent impression?
spies8gertrude (9:00:00 PM): Hm.. Well, he was the only person I really talked to one-on-one on launch night, and was thoroughly lucid at the time.
spies8kiara (9:00:20 PM): was that before or after allignements were revealed?
spies8gertrude (9:00:40 PM): And, he's quick-witted and is knowledgeable in other subjects.
spies8gertrude (9:00:43 PM): Both.
spies8gertrude (9:00:50 PM): I'm pretty sure.
spies8kiara (9:03:20 PM): you do make a valid point
spies8kiara (9:03:39 PM): and he has been recently climbling up my list

[Kiara]

Wednesday, July 07, 2010
spies8cory (8:23:30 PM): Kiara!
spies8kiara (8:23:55 PM): hi
spies8cory (8:24:00 PM): Who are the spies?
spies8kiara (8:24:57 PM): thats the $64000 question!
spies8kiara (8:25:05 PM): after recent events, im as unsure as ever
spies8cory (8:26:10 PM): Who would you exile right now given the opportunity
spies8kiara (8:26:38 PM): out of the nominees? or everyone?
spies8cory (8:27:06 PM): Everyone, toots
spies8kiara (8:29:27 PM): hmm, if i had to boot someone right now i think id say.............
spies8kiara (8:29:56 PM): wow, this question really shouldnt be this hard lol
spies8kiara (8:31:26 PM): i think i might say rondak. he isnt all that high up on my suspect list to be honest, though recently here has been enough to make me give him a second look. plus i think it would help clear up some of the confusion over the nomination tampering
spies8cory (8:34:53 PM): if you're not sure who you would exile
spies8cory (8:34:59 PM): Then might I inquire who you nominated?
spies8kiara (8:38:10 PM): claude. but after thinking things out more im second guessing some of my previous assumptions. his role seemed scummy to me. but now with the addition of a spy messenger and someone hidding the vote results. thats a lot of spy abilities!
spies8cory (8:40:39 PM): I agree, actually.
spies8cory (8:40:46 PM): That was my thought exactly.
spies8kiara (8:41:09 PM): plus there is whoever is giving immunity, which i suspect may be a scum role