episode xi conversations
Aug 16, 2010 16:55:09 GMT -6
Post by Chance on Aug 16, 2010 16:55:09 GMT -6
with kiara -
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spies8kiara 3:30 pm
i
am
no
spy
spies8chance 3:49 pm
hi kiara.
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spies8kiara 3:50 pm
hey
so, i got a plan. step 1: dont mislynch me. step 2: figure out step 2
spies8chance 3:51 pm
hahaha.
spies8kiara 3:52 pm
no, seriously. we really cant afford to fuck up here.
lynching me = fucking up
spies8chance 3:53 pm
you're right, but i don't see anything pointing to you as 'obvcit', so.
spies8kiara 3:53 pm
i dont see anything point to anyone as obvcit! hell, if it werent for your masonry id think you were scum!
spies8chance 3:54 pm
good, then my playstyle was working. :-D
spies8kiara 3:54 pm
was?
spies8chance 3:55 pm
i'm obviously outed, so being intentionally spyish isn't really on my agenda. :-P
spies8kiara 3:55 pm
news to me
spies8chance 3:55 pm
no need to be a bitch just because i think you're a spy.
spies8kiara 3:56 pm
it may be bitchy, but its true! 'omg cinn is getting wagoned vote rondak! no now i dont want to vote rondak anymore. and btw your scummy for not voting cinn.' the fuck?
spies8chance 3:58 pm
'the fuck' is exactly right. rondak's been the alternate up against two spies in a row now, so no, i don't want to vote him, and you defended rondak in a chat to me before you up and decided to vote for him instead of cinn. you can cry devil's advocate all you want, it still looks like a defense to me.
spies8kiara 3:58 pm
i did not defend him!
spies8kiara 3:59 pm
for fucks sake, i did have him listed on my spy team post that dane started not long before that conversation. just because i think someone is scum doesnt mean im going to twist everything to support that conclusion. so excuse me for trying to assess the situation for what it is instead of what i want it to be
spies8chance 4:00 pm
so why are you still after rondak, then?
spies8kiara 4:02 pm
im not, but not because unlike everyone else i consider spy bussing a serious option, but because stephs voting record has bothered me for a long time, and now knowing that lawrence is a spy makes that doubly so. and if steph is indeed a spy, then i think that rules rondak out. but without that info he still looks scummy to me, so yeah, thats why i voted him twice
spies8chance 4:03 pm
you don't think the fact that he was up against both lawrence and cinnamyn is a point in his favor?
and i definitely don't see steph imprisoning owen.
plus, yeah, bussing is an option, but steph was one of the instigators of the lawrence blindside.
spies8kiara 4:04 pm
why, because its impossible that the burgs top 3 suspects were all in fact spies?
steph not imprisoning owen is wifom, and he being one of the instigators is news to me. i thought she had to be conviced
spies8chance 4:04 pm
i don't think it's impossible, but how likely do you think it is that the spies would sit back and let us control the exiles completely?
nope, it was owen and stephanie, and then me to a little lesser extent.
as far as i know, at least.
and i don't think owen's imprisonment is wifom.
steph was owen's top cit read. she could have ridden him to the end of the game as a spy.
spies8kiara 4:06 pm
and if she is a spy she can imprison him and use that exact arguement as her alibi. wifom
and she wasnt his top read, she was like #3
and it was mostly gut anyway
spies8chance 4:06 pm
is owen worth more as an alibi (in fact, she actually hasn't said anything about it) or as an alive ally?
spies8chance 4:06 pm
and yes, she was his top read.
spies8kiara 4:07 pm
maybe owen was breathing down her partners neck
ok, claudes dead. so fine, point conceeded. but i still state that him being imprisoned does not clear her. dispite popular opinion, owen did not run the show
if owen was on to the other spies and got them lynched, and then everyone turned on steph owens vote alone would not save her
spies8chance 4:09 pm
you're underestimating owen's influence considerably.
and what does claude have to do anything?
and owen's imprisonment doesn't 'clear' stephanie, no. but i think it's a point in her favor.
spies8kiara 4:11 pm
because when i was thinking about his list of cits it was you, him, and her. your obv and hes gone so that would make her his top. and you just got done saying stephspy wouldnt imprison owen, so how is that not saying shes clear?
spies8chance 4:11 pm
clear = 100% cit, so don't twist my words.
spies8kiara 4:11 pm
why? youve been doing it to me
spies8chance 4:11 pm
i'm not saying it's impossible that stephanie as a spy imprisoned owen. i just don't think it's likely.
how have i been twisting your words?
spies8kiara 4:12 pm
you keep insisting i was defending rondak
spies8chance 4:12 pm
because you were.
spies8kiara 4:12 pm
I WAS NOT!!!
spies8chance 4:12 pm
nearly every point i came up with you had a counter for.
spies8kiara 4:12 pm
not a counter, you were blowing everything out of proportion and i was saying what i actually saw
spies8chance 4:13 pm
oh, so now it's my fault you were defending him?
spies8kiara 4:13 pm
I WASNT FUCKING DEFENDING HIM!!!
spies8kiara 4:18 pm
so you really think that after you guys bring me into your trust group the first thing i would do is smash it to bits and put a target on me? you think cinnamyn would have been the first person to say they were voting for me the round i claimed? you think i made up aspects of my role?
spies8chance 4:19 pm
cory over owen seems odd if the spies didn't know cory's role. your second point is interesting and one i hadn't considered, but the third - you could have, easily.
spies8kiara 4:28 pm
as for cory over owen, you were trying to convince steph she was one, so thats on her too. and easily? you guys grilled me up and down hoping i would slip something and i didnt. i was right on the timing where i posted me theory on isaac and didnt have the role result yet. i mentioned the fact that 'neither' was a vote option. i didnt try bsing an investigation for ep2 when it was still old kiara. if i was lying all i was doing was giving myself more ways to hang myself
spies8chance 4:28 pm
she was one what?
spies8kiara 4:29 pm
im sorry, horrible typo. the group was trying to convince her that cory was the doctor
spies8chance 4:29 pm
but what about the fact that she didn't believe it?
spies8kiara 4:29 pm
your a lie detector now?
spies8chance 4:30 pm
alright let me ask you this.
do you think there was any spy on rondak last round?
spies8kiara 4:34 pm
for certain? no. in my head, regardless of rondaks alignment, i feel like the best play for the spies would be to split their votes. dane is suspect similarly for his voting record with steph and lawrence. mary bothers me because the round zed went she was voting lawrence before i even claimed, yet looking at the h&h chat she never seemed to try and convince anyone else to do the same, even though you all seemed to think zed was likely a cit.
spies8chance 4:35 pm
well, there if you /are/ a cit, then dane or mary is a spy, right?
spies8kiara 4:36 pm
if im right about the spies spliting their votes, yes
spies8chance 4:37 pm
then i don't understand you continuing to go after stephanie.
there are two spies, and from your point of view, one of dane or mary should be one, right?
spies8kiara 4:39 pm
yes. but by the same token someone from the other side should be as well. tunneling mary and dane is dangerous because a) if the wrong on is lynched then we are like out of mislynches and b) there is no guarentee that im right that the spies split there vote. so if im wrong and both of them go in back to back exiles we lose
spies8chance 4:40 pm
regardless of that, though, dane has done the same as you - been on rondak over cinnamyn and lawrence. but unlike you he has no reasoning.
that makes him scummy, to me.
spies8kiara 4:40 pm
and your voting me?
spies8chance 4:40 pm
i was.
spies8kiara 4:41 pm
and you decided to change when, exactly?
spies8chance 4:41 pm
i haven't decided to change yet. but i'm concerned that you could be frustrated cit right now.
spies8kiara 4:42 pm
frustrated is an understatement.
spies8chance 4:42 pm
heh.
spies8kiara 4:44 pm
right now, in my mind, steph and dane are likely the last pair because of the repeated crossvoting with eachother and lawrence. i targeted steph because i have more on her than him
spies8chance 4:46 pm
maybe you could explain why the crossvoting is scummy.
spies8kiara 4:48 pm
because it almost always was an extreme minority, so there is little danger in actually lynching the other person, and if they do go later you can claim cit points for it. it in itself isnt necessiarly scummy, there have been cit crossvotes, but no has done it as many times as them
once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, any more than that is a pattern
spies8chance 4:48 pm
so basically you think it's distancing?
spies8kiara 4:48 pm
if you want to call it that, yes
spies8chance 5:32 pm
bothersome. no one's talking.
are you still voting stephanie?
spies8kiara 5:33 pm
it happens in spurts, and yes
spies8chance 5:33 pm
i don't think you're going to have the support you need for that.
spies8chance 5:33 pm
what do you think of dane, specifically?
also, for the record, when i say you 'magically' changed to rondak during the cinnamyn exile, what i mean is that when i stopped talking to you i didn't feel like i'd convinced you to vote for rondak rather than cinnamyn, so your vote came as a complete surprise. sorry for not clarifiying.
spies8kiara 5:35 pm
angry spy if he is one. has openly omgused more than once. his i quit to save allan reaks of insincerity. his voting record isnt all that great. and his only defense ever is 'you misrepresent things you idiot!'
spies8chance 5:35 pm
i wonder about the bribe he was offered early on.
spies8kiara 5:35 pm
that too. dane always seemed like a bizarre choice to me
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spies8kiara 3:30 pm
i
am
no
spy
spies8chance 3:49 pm
hi kiara.
spies8kiara is available 3:50 pm
spies8kiara 3:50 pm
hey
so, i got a plan. step 1: dont mislynch me. step 2: figure out step 2
spies8chance 3:51 pm
hahaha.
spies8kiara 3:52 pm
no, seriously. we really cant afford to fuck up here.
lynching me = fucking up
spies8chance 3:53 pm
you're right, but i don't see anything pointing to you as 'obvcit', so.
spies8kiara 3:53 pm
i dont see anything point to anyone as obvcit! hell, if it werent for your masonry id think you were scum!
spies8chance 3:54 pm
good, then my playstyle was working. :-D
spies8kiara 3:54 pm
was?
spies8chance 3:55 pm
i'm obviously outed, so being intentionally spyish isn't really on my agenda. :-P
spies8kiara 3:55 pm
news to me
spies8chance 3:55 pm
no need to be a bitch just because i think you're a spy.
spies8kiara 3:56 pm
it may be bitchy, but its true! 'omg cinn is getting wagoned vote rondak! no now i dont want to vote rondak anymore. and btw your scummy for not voting cinn.' the fuck?
spies8chance 3:58 pm
'the fuck' is exactly right. rondak's been the alternate up against two spies in a row now, so no, i don't want to vote him, and you defended rondak in a chat to me before you up and decided to vote for him instead of cinn. you can cry devil's advocate all you want, it still looks like a defense to me.
spies8kiara 3:58 pm
i did not defend him!
spies8kiara 3:59 pm
for fucks sake, i did have him listed on my spy team post that dane started not long before that conversation. just because i think someone is scum doesnt mean im going to twist everything to support that conclusion. so excuse me for trying to assess the situation for what it is instead of what i want it to be
spies8chance 4:00 pm
so why are you still after rondak, then?
spies8kiara 4:02 pm
im not, but not because unlike everyone else i consider spy bussing a serious option, but because stephs voting record has bothered me for a long time, and now knowing that lawrence is a spy makes that doubly so. and if steph is indeed a spy, then i think that rules rondak out. but without that info he still looks scummy to me, so yeah, thats why i voted him twice
spies8chance 4:03 pm
you don't think the fact that he was up against both lawrence and cinnamyn is a point in his favor?
and i definitely don't see steph imprisoning owen.
plus, yeah, bussing is an option, but steph was one of the instigators of the lawrence blindside.
spies8kiara 4:04 pm
why, because its impossible that the burgs top 3 suspects were all in fact spies?
steph not imprisoning owen is wifom, and he being one of the instigators is news to me. i thought she had to be conviced
spies8chance 4:04 pm
i don't think it's impossible, but how likely do you think it is that the spies would sit back and let us control the exiles completely?
nope, it was owen and stephanie, and then me to a little lesser extent.
as far as i know, at least.
and i don't think owen's imprisonment is wifom.
steph was owen's top cit read. she could have ridden him to the end of the game as a spy.
spies8kiara 4:06 pm
and if she is a spy she can imprison him and use that exact arguement as her alibi. wifom
and she wasnt his top read, she was like #3
and it was mostly gut anyway
spies8chance 4:06 pm
is owen worth more as an alibi (in fact, she actually hasn't said anything about it) or as an alive ally?
spies8chance 4:06 pm
and yes, she was his top read.
spies8kiara 4:07 pm
maybe owen was breathing down her partners neck
ok, claudes dead. so fine, point conceeded. but i still state that him being imprisoned does not clear her. dispite popular opinion, owen did not run the show
if owen was on to the other spies and got them lynched, and then everyone turned on steph owens vote alone would not save her
spies8chance 4:09 pm
you're underestimating owen's influence considerably.
and what does claude have to do anything?
and owen's imprisonment doesn't 'clear' stephanie, no. but i think it's a point in her favor.
spies8kiara 4:11 pm
because when i was thinking about his list of cits it was you, him, and her. your obv and hes gone so that would make her his top. and you just got done saying stephspy wouldnt imprison owen, so how is that not saying shes clear?
spies8chance 4:11 pm
clear = 100% cit, so don't twist my words.
spies8kiara 4:11 pm
why? youve been doing it to me
spies8chance 4:11 pm
i'm not saying it's impossible that stephanie as a spy imprisoned owen. i just don't think it's likely.
how have i been twisting your words?
spies8kiara 4:12 pm
you keep insisting i was defending rondak
spies8chance 4:12 pm
because you were.
spies8kiara 4:12 pm
I WAS NOT!!!
spies8chance 4:12 pm
nearly every point i came up with you had a counter for.
spies8kiara 4:12 pm
not a counter, you were blowing everything out of proportion and i was saying what i actually saw
spies8chance 4:13 pm
oh, so now it's my fault you were defending him?
spies8kiara 4:13 pm
I WASNT FUCKING DEFENDING HIM!!!
spies8kiara 4:18 pm
so you really think that after you guys bring me into your trust group the first thing i would do is smash it to bits and put a target on me? you think cinnamyn would have been the first person to say they were voting for me the round i claimed? you think i made up aspects of my role?
spies8chance 4:19 pm
cory over owen seems odd if the spies didn't know cory's role. your second point is interesting and one i hadn't considered, but the third - you could have, easily.
spies8kiara 4:28 pm
as for cory over owen, you were trying to convince steph she was one, so thats on her too. and easily? you guys grilled me up and down hoping i would slip something and i didnt. i was right on the timing where i posted me theory on isaac and didnt have the role result yet. i mentioned the fact that 'neither' was a vote option. i didnt try bsing an investigation for ep2 when it was still old kiara. if i was lying all i was doing was giving myself more ways to hang myself
spies8chance 4:28 pm
she was one what?
spies8kiara 4:29 pm
im sorry, horrible typo. the group was trying to convince her that cory was the doctor
spies8chance 4:29 pm
but what about the fact that she didn't believe it?
spies8kiara 4:29 pm
your a lie detector now?
spies8chance 4:30 pm
alright let me ask you this.
do you think there was any spy on rondak last round?
spies8kiara 4:34 pm
for certain? no. in my head, regardless of rondaks alignment, i feel like the best play for the spies would be to split their votes. dane is suspect similarly for his voting record with steph and lawrence. mary bothers me because the round zed went she was voting lawrence before i even claimed, yet looking at the h&h chat she never seemed to try and convince anyone else to do the same, even though you all seemed to think zed was likely a cit.
spies8chance 4:35 pm
well, there if you /are/ a cit, then dane or mary is a spy, right?
spies8kiara 4:36 pm
if im right about the spies spliting their votes, yes
spies8chance 4:37 pm
then i don't understand you continuing to go after stephanie.
there are two spies, and from your point of view, one of dane or mary should be one, right?
spies8kiara 4:39 pm
yes. but by the same token someone from the other side should be as well. tunneling mary and dane is dangerous because a) if the wrong on is lynched then we are like out of mislynches and b) there is no guarentee that im right that the spies split there vote. so if im wrong and both of them go in back to back exiles we lose
spies8chance 4:40 pm
regardless of that, though, dane has done the same as you - been on rondak over cinnamyn and lawrence. but unlike you he has no reasoning.
that makes him scummy, to me.
spies8kiara 4:40 pm
and your voting me?
spies8chance 4:40 pm
i was.
spies8kiara 4:41 pm
and you decided to change when, exactly?
spies8chance 4:41 pm
i haven't decided to change yet. but i'm concerned that you could be frustrated cit right now.
spies8kiara 4:42 pm
frustrated is an understatement.
spies8chance 4:42 pm
heh.
spies8kiara 4:44 pm
right now, in my mind, steph and dane are likely the last pair because of the repeated crossvoting with eachother and lawrence. i targeted steph because i have more on her than him
spies8chance 4:46 pm
maybe you could explain why the crossvoting is scummy.
spies8kiara 4:48 pm
because it almost always was an extreme minority, so there is little danger in actually lynching the other person, and if they do go later you can claim cit points for it. it in itself isnt necessiarly scummy, there have been cit crossvotes, but no has done it as many times as them
once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, any more than that is a pattern
spies8chance 4:48 pm
so basically you think it's distancing?
spies8kiara 4:48 pm
if you want to call it that, yes
spies8chance 5:32 pm
bothersome. no one's talking.
are you still voting stephanie?
spies8kiara 5:33 pm
it happens in spurts, and yes
spies8chance 5:33 pm
i don't think you're going to have the support you need for that.
spies8chance 5:33 pm
what do you think of dane, specifically?
also, for the record, when i say you 'magically' changed to rondak during the cinnamyn exile, what i mean is that when i stopped talking to you i didn't feel like i'd convinced you to vote for rondak rather than cinnamyn, so your vote came as a complete surprise. sorry for not clarifiying.
spies8kiara 5:35 pm
angry spy if he is one. has openly omgused more than once. his i quit to save allan reaks of insincerity. his voting record isnt all that great. and his only defense ever is 'you misrepresent things you idiot!'
spies8chance 5:35 pm
i wonder about the bribe he was offered early on.
spies8kiara 5:35 pm
that too. dane always seemed like a bizarre choice to me