Episode 8 - Conversations

[Owen]

(2:14:08 AM) spies8owen: Hey.
(2:14:18 AM) spies8chance: hi, owen.
(2:14:32 AM) spies8owen: Gert
(2:14:52 AM) spies8chance: don't start.
(2:15:31 AM) spies8owen: I'm not trying to "start" anything. I'm 99.9% sure I know who Gert was & "she" is a great friend of mine.
(2:16:08 AM) spies8chance: then why'd you imprison her?
(2:16:20 AM) spies8owen: You're an idiot.
(2:16:23 AM) spies8chance: no i'm not.
(2:16:32 AM) spies8owen: I've been defending you guys for rounds.
(2:16:47 AM) spies8owen: And holding shit in, which was stressing the living shit out of me.
(2:16:47 AM) spies8chance: and i'm not going to deal with insults from you when i've had to deal with them from claude, broderick, and mary for the past half hour.
(2:17:00 AM) spies8owen: Then why bring up a shitty comment like that?
(2:17:09 AM) spies8chance: well, let's see.
(2:18:06 AM) spies8chance: should jenny flip spy, your main reason for being a citizen (isaac's exile) becomes null. cory went over you even though neither of you were immune. you've been lurking since the magalie exile, and yes, i realize you were on vacation, but one by one people in the alliance have been being picked off. and i apologize if i offended you, but it's either you or kiara at this point.
(2:19:17 AM) spies8owen: I wasn't on vacation, Chance. I'm a diabetic and the stress of the game combined with real life things was making my sugars spiral out of control. I've been "lurking" because of the fact that I couldn't have straight conversations with anyone because I had to defend you guys without solid reasoning.
(2:20:19 AM) spies8owen: Ignore Isaac. I protected you over Mags. I was one of the first on Alexei. You're not thinking logically.
(2:20:21 AM) spies8chance: well, surprise. now you can. cory's gone, gertie's gone, jenny's probably a spy.
(2:20:24 AM) spies8chance: i have no friends in this game.
(2:20:28 AM) spies8owen: Nor do I!
(2:20:35 AM) spies8chance: claude, mary, and broderick all want me gone regardless.
(2:21:01 AM) spies8owen: My main friends were Gabe, Nita, Tina, Cory.
(2:21:02 AM) spies8chance: 'you're the scummiest player ever' 'you're anti-town'
(2:21:14 AM) spies8chance: 'you suck'
(2:21:31 AM) spies8owen: In fact, Cory was the only person stopping me from wanting to quit.
(2:21:35 AM) spies8chance: and broderick refuses flatly to believe i'm a ciizen.
(2:21:41 AM) spies8owen: Which is what caused me to take a break instead of bowing out.
(2:21:49 AM) spies8chance: well, there's no one stopping me from wanting to quit right now.
(2:22:07 AM) spies8chance: if i'm just going to be slammed for acting how i had to because of my role.
(2:22:08 AM) spies8owen: Sam wouldn't fuck with the rules like that.
(2:22:10 AM) spies8owen: It's a game breaker.
(2:22:17 AM) spies8chance: you tell them that then.
(2:22:21 AM) spies8owen: I will defend that until I'm gone.
(2:22:22 AM) spies8chance: no one's going to listen to me.
(2:22:34 AM) spies8owen: I've already told Claude that.
(2:22:38 AM) spies8chance: jasmine's a spy.
(2:22:43 AM) spies8chance: jenny most likely is.
(2:22:45 AM) spies8chance: so is rondak.
(2:22:50 AM) spies8owen: I think Dane connects to Jenny.
(2:22:57 AM) spies8chance: i know jasmine does.
(2:22:58 AM) spies8owen: She rarely takes stances.
(2:23:01 AM) spies8owen: She takes them on Dane.
(2:23:10 AM) spies8owen: But she also does that to you, so ugh.
(2:23:21 AM) spies8chance: i'm sorry. i really thought you made sense as a spy with jenny.
(2:24:05 AM) spies8owen: I'm not a spy. I know everyone would say that, so yeah.
(2:24:37 AM) spies8owen: But I'd like for you to be able to trust me.
(2:24:58 AM) spies8owen: Though, that might not be good for you. Everyone I trust/trusts me ends up dead and leaves me here to fend off people that suspect me because of it. YAY.
(2:24:58 AM) spies8chance: so would i. unfortunately the one person in this game who had my back was imprisoned hours ago.
(2:25:20 AM) spies8owen: I'm being 100% genuine -- I wanted to quit the game when Cory was imprisoned.
(2:25:22 AM) spies8owen: I wanted it to be me.
(2:25:43 AM) spies8owen: I told Gert not to protect me that round.
(2:25:44 AM) spies8chance: i thought it would be. i didn't see any reason for cory to go over you unless the spies knew he was the doctor.
(2:25:53 AM) spies8chance: gertie didn't protect anyone that round. she didn't get a chance to.
(2:25:55 AM) spies8owen: I wanted Cory protected, actually.
(2:25:56 AM) spies8chance: RL got in the way.
(2:26:00 AM) spies8chance: so did i.
(2:26:20 AM) spies8owen: Honestly though, I think Cory wanted out.
(2:26:23 AM) spies8owen: We both did.
(2:26:38 AM) spies8chance: eh.
(2:26:59 AM) spies8owen: He tried to keep me in good spirits, but by the end he was even saying how he wasn't enjoying the game.
(2:27:01 AM) spies8chance: i wouldn't want out except people aren't spyhunting at this point, they're just bashing me.
(2:28:07 AM) spies8chance: mary apparently told gertrude i was wrecking the game.
(2:29:27 AM) spies8owen: How are you wrecking it?
(2:29:38 AM) spies8owen: You were given a role. Didn't ask for it.
(2:29:43 AM) spies8chance: tell that to mary.
(2:29:52 AM) spies8chance: she'll tell you it's my fault people have focused on me because i'm so scummy.
(2:30:02 AM) spies8chance: 'you've gotten 21 votes in six episodes'
(2:30:28 AM) spies8chance: broderick's going to blame me and everyone involved for throwing the game if we lose, by the way.
(2:30:38 AM) spies8chance: i've blocked him. i'm tired of his bullshit and i don't want to even deal with him.
(2:31:40 AM) spies8owen: Nobody has thrown the game. >_>
(2:32:15 AM) spies8chance: preaching to the choir.
(2:32:15 AM) spies8owen: I thought this stuff coming out would be good for you (as far as how you're perceived, probably not for imprisonments)
(2:32:20 AM) spies8chance: so did i.
(2:32:29 AM) spies8chance: it's just turned into chance-bashing, though.
(2:32:40 AM) spies8owen: Hopefully it'll blow over.
(2:32:44 AM) spies8owen: People need to focus on Jenny right now.
(2:33:13 AM) spies8chance: look at the pm broderick just sent me.
(2:33:14 AM) spies8chance: I really do not appreciate you being a complete asshole to me, for nothing.
I've done nothing to you.
I don't provoke you or anything. Yet you are always rude to me - over nothing.
So please stop.
I gave you the opportunity to get all of your crap out, even if undeserved, and you didn't take that chance.
So I would appreciate it, if you would knock it off from now on.
(2:33:54 AM) spies8chance: i honestly don't know how he can not know he does this shit.
(2:34:01 AM) spies8chance: is he really, really that dense?
(2:35:46 AM) spies8owen: I think you and Brod should actually try PM'ing each other instead for now. We PMed each other a few times during the break and it seemed to patch things up a bit.
(2:36:06 AM) spies8owen: If Jenny is scum, I don't see Brod connected at all.
(2:36:13 AM) spies8owen: So I've gotta get over my issues with him.
(2:36:14 AM) spies8chance: i'm not talking to him. i don't care whether he's scum or not.
(2:36:42 AM) spies8chance: if he's bound and determined that i'm scum regardless of evidence that is staring him in the face and has nothing better to do than bash me then i don't want anything to do with him.
(2:36:56 AM) spies8chance: maybe that sounds immature, but i don't particularly care at the moment.
(2:37:56 AM) spies8owen: Just let it all cool down. I've never been public enemy #1, but I know how you're feeling.
(2:38:37 AM) spies8owen: I've lost people I trust round after round, have lynched well, and still get suspected by people that I've been protecting.
(2:38:47 AM) spies8chance: eh.
(2:44:54 AM) spies8owen: I can sympathize with the people that have suspected you that are just finding all of this out now, but there's no need to treat you like shit. People have to realize that we're people behind the characters.
(2:46:20 AM) spies8chance: claude and mary have known about it for a while and they're still complaining about it.
(3:13:25 AM) spies8chance: i'm going to bed.
(3:13:37 AM) spies8owen: Night.
(3:13:51 AM) spies8owen: Cheer up. CORY WOULDNT WANT THIS FOR US.

[Owen]

(1:34:44 AM) spies8owen: Gert. :/
(1:35:03 AM) spies8claude: Chance is convinced that you're responsible for that.
(1:35:08 AM) spies8owen: ...
(1:35:25 AM) spies8owen: He's a bigger idiot than I thought.
(1:35:40 AM) spies8owen: I've been defending him this entire time.
(1:35:42 AM) spies8claude: He is still so scummy.
(1:35:42 AM) spies8owen: To hide this.
(1:35:45 AM) spies8claude: All of the time.
(1:35:51 AM) spies8claude: I really hope he gets imprisoned.
(1:36:05 AM) spies8owen: Well, they confirmed him, so I hope it's coming too.
(1:36:17 AM) spies8owen: I can understand others suspecting me... but Chance?
(1:36:18 AM) spies8owen: Really?
(1:36:22 AM) spies8claude: heh
(1:36:30 AM) spies8claude: I still think there is a decent chance that he is scum
(1:36:33 AM) spies8claude: And Sam is just a bad mod.
(1:36:48 AM) spies8claude: Just doesn't seem like I'm going to convince anyone else of that.
(1:36:49 AM) spies8claude: For now anyway.
(1:37:13 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, I still don't think he'd do that.
(1:37:17 AM) spies8owen: I just think Chance is a moron.
(1:37:43 AM) spies8owen: If it wasn't for Gertrude, I'd majorly regret putting my neck on the line for them.
(1:38:55 AM) spies8owen: What are your thoughts on Kiara saying Awo's role didn't exist?
(1:39:15 AM) spies8claude: If I have to b elieve one of them
(1:39:17 AM) spies8claude: it's Awohali
(1:39:20 AM) spies8owen: Same.
(1:39:23 AM) spies8owen: I don't take him as a troll.
(1:43:20 AM) spies8claude: I dunno.
(1:43:29 AM) spies8claude: I feel like either chance is right about you, or, he's setting you up.
(1:44:08 AM) spies8owen: Or he's just completely wrong.
(1:44:17 AM) spies8claude: Maybe
(1:44:20 AM) spies8claude: It doesn't feel that way though.
(1:45:34 AM) spies8owen: Well, you can trust me. Again, what sense does it make for me to have people that have mutual trust in me imprisoned?
(1:45:37 AM) spies8owen: It's really pissing me off.
(1:45:52 AM) spies8claude: I mean like...
(1:46:00 AM) spies8claude: That is what you would say as a Spy. :-P
(1:46:09 AM) spies8claude: Sadly, if I had to pick one of you/chance right now, it woudl be chance.
(1:46:12 AM) spies8claude: mason claim orn ot.
(1:47:09 AM) spies8claude: Oh, Chance outed himself today.
(1:47:15 AM) spies8claude: Not really sure why
(1:47:23 AM) spies8claude: Just feels like more of the same feeling of being setup.
(1:47:24 AM) spies8claude: I dunno.
(1:50:24 AM) spies8owen: I reaaaaaally don't think Sam would do that, it's a game breaker.
(1:50:38 AM) spies8claude: I hope you're right.
(1:50:50 AM) spies8claude: Have fun fending him off, in any case.
(1:50:57 AM) spies8owen: But you can trust me, and I know a spy would say the same thing, so I'll let my actions speak too.
(1:51:20 AM) spies8owen: I don't know what he thinks he has on me.
(1:51:32 AM) spies8claude: He thought that you should have died when Cory did.
(1:51:42 AM) spies8owen: And that makes me a spy?
(1:51:47 AM) spies8claude: IDK
(1:51:49 AM) spies8owen: The guy is an idiot.
(1:51:53 AM) spies8claude: Just tellign you what he's said.
(1:52:00 AM) spies8claude: I'm sure there's more to it.
(1:52:14 AM) spies8owen: Cory was the only person keeping me from wanting to quit the game. Yes, must kill him.
(1:53:21 AM) spies8claude: lol
(1:53:22 AM) spies8owen: If Chance fucks the game for us after all of this, like I said, moron.
(2:01:54 AM) spies8owen: So moving on from our best friend, I read back on Jenny chats.
(2:02:07 AM) spies8owen: Know how she doesn't seem to form an opinion on anyone really?
(2:02:16 AM) spies8claude: right
(2:02:24 AM) spies8owen: She sticks up for Dane.
(2:02:27 AM) spies8claude: Yeah.
(2:02:28 AM) spies8owen: A lot to me.
(2:02:35 AM) spies8claude: She stuck up for Chance all of the time too.
(2:02:39 AM) spies8owen: Ugh.
(2:02:45 AM) spies8claude: I don't know what to make of all of it.
(2:02:50 AM) spies8claude: But that's why I want her to die today.
(2:03:01 AM) spies8owen: There's no question that she needs to.
(2:03:04 AM) spies8owen: Awo = confirmed cit.
(2:03:33 AM) spies8claude: Well, Kiara says he had no role
(2:03:35 AM) spies8claude: but shrug
(2:03:36 AM) spies8owen: Though, if by some odd chance that he bullshitted all of that (which is SO doubtful given his personality)
(2:03:44 AM) spies8owen: That'd be absolutely ridiculous.
(2:03:51 AM) spies8claude: I just don't see it.
(2:03:57 AM) spies8claude: He had to know we'd make Kiara check him.
(2:04:49 AM) spies8owen: Still looks good that Kiara knew the doctor wasn't dead, but she could have gotten that from anyone that knew.

[Owen]

(5:13:52 AM) spies8kiara: you awake, owen?
(5:14:27 AM) spies8owen: Hey hey, yep, I'm here.
(5:14:38 AM) spies8owen: How's it going?
(5:14:56 AM) spies8kiara: good good. you?
(5:15:28 AM) spies8owen: Exhausted, but pretty good.
(5:16:14 AM) spies8owen: Today seemed interesting to say the least.
(5:16:45 AM) spies8kiara: thats like the cliff note version. the version thatll get you a d+ lol
(5:17:48 AM) spies8owen: Cruel. I haven't given out a D+ since the 90's. Little shit. Anyhow...
(5:18:02 AM) spies8owen: I'm really having a hard time believing Awo made up his role.
(5:21:51 AM) spies8kiara: if you want to exile me to confirm, ill be pissed but i understand. my result said he DID NOT have a role
(5:23:16 AM) spies8owen: Gotcha. You're still voting Jenny otherwise?
(5:23:48 AM) spies8kiara: yup
(5:24:10 AM) spies8kiara: although some (dumb) people think me saying awohali lied was me defending jenny. lol
(5:25:26 AM) spies8owen: Definitely not something crazy to think, but nobody can know for certain.
(5:25:36 AM) spies8owen: Reasons for voting Jenny aside from this whole situation?
(5:26:21 AM) spies8kiara: i actually had a town read on jenny until awohali called out her vote on me. and then i saw how paper thin her suspicions actually were
(5:28:26 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, she hasn't had too many valid stances... that is, when she actually takes them.
(5:28:28 AM) spies8owen: Which is rare.
(5:32:05 AM) spies8kiara: while i have you, i have to ask you what i asked claude yesterday, especially since its become more relevant
(5:32:22 AM) spies8owen: Shoot.
(5:33:24 AM) spies8kiara: and as much as i appreciate the trust (because i know im a cit lol) i was shocked that the group accepted me as easily as they did. i know you were in the h&h chat at the time i claimed. if i was a spy, you guys outted the power roles easy as heck. why?
(5:34:15 AM) spies8owen: I wasn't actually a part of them claiming to you -- believe they made that decision on their own.
(5:34:34 AM) spies8owen: But I did actually want them to claim and put it all on the table. It was becoming a mess.
(5:34:56 AM) spies8owen: Spies can work around imprisonment immunities.
(5:35:12 AM) spies8owen: And with people focusing too much on Chance, others are gonna get by.
(5:35:55 AM) spies8kiara: thats a good and acceptable answer, thank you
(5:36:41 AM) spies8owen: 4 rounds of being secretive and trustworthy while stressing myself out for Chance to suspect me. Good times.
(5:40:30 AM) spies8kiara: lol
(5:46:45 AM) spies8owen: Gonna get some sleep. Later, lil' one.

[Owen]

(1:39:51 AM) spies8owen: Hey there.
(1:40:21 AM) spies8broderick: hey Owen
(1:41:30 AM) spies8owen: Looks like everything that I've been holding in is finally out there *weight off shoulders*
(1:42:05 AM) spies8owen: Now I don't have to defend Chance. HOORAY.
(1:42:40 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(1:42:54 AM) spies8broderick: So what did Tina tell Kiara to get her off Allan?
(1:43:25 AM) spies8owen: I'm not exactly sure what she said to her, all she said is that she strongly hinted at what it was.
(1:43:53 AM) spies8broderick: Hm?
(1:46:43 AM) spies8owen: Tina never told us exactly what she told Kiara.
(1:46:49 AM) spies8broderick: Kiara told me it involved another person. Just trying to work it out. Can't think of what Tina could've possibly said to her, to get her off of him
(1:46:51 AM) spies8broderick: Oh.
(1:47:02 AM) spies8broderick: Allan seemed to know, he said he told you
(1:47:29 AM) spies8owen: Yep, Allan and I discussed the role. I already knew about it for a round or so before that.
(1:47:57 AM) spies8broderick: The role, being Kiara's or Chance's?
(1:48:04 AM) spies8broderick: im confused
(1:48:11 AM) spies8owen: Gertrudes.
(1:48:58 AM) spies8owen: Gertrude used her role on Allan. Allan came to me with the role and how it worked, since he got a synopsis of it when it was used on him.
(1:49:02 AM) spies8owen: I already knew at that point.
(1:56:50 AM) spies8owen: How are you feeling about Kiara's claim that Awo was role-less?
(1:57:34 AM) spies8owen: I'm gonna call bullshit on that. Awo is a confirmed citizen. He should be trusted more than someone that claimed a unconfirmable role with little time left.
(2:00:25 AM) spies8broderick: Oh okay. I dont think Awohali was lying or trying to pull a stunt
(2:00:48 AM) spies8owen: Yep, like we both said, doesn't seem like he'd be the type to do that.
(2:00:54 AM) spies8owen: He was all business.
(2:06:41 AM) spies8broderick: Did Tina know about Gertrude using her role on Allan?
(2:06:49 AM) spies8broderick: Maybe that is what Kiara was told or something
(2:08:32 AM) spies8owen: Yes, Allan also went to Tina.
(2:09:28 AM) spies8owen: He was originally going to save her, she convinced him to save me (after the two of us basically fought each other for the other to have it, complete opposite of how it usually goes).
(2:09:53 AM) spies8owen: Allan didn't know if he was allowed to change, so we were unsure if I'd be protected or Tina would be. Obviously ended up being me.
(2:10:46 AM) spies8broderick: Hmm
(2:27:23 AM) spies8broderick: Do you know why Kiara was told about Chance, even though it didn't seem like people were set on her being a cit, even like right after she claimed?
(2:28:48 AM) spies8owen: I looked back into the chat we'd been using that night and saw they had claimed to her. I was surprised by it too.
(2:29:29 AM) spies8broderick: Oh, so both Gertrude and Chance willingly claimed to her?
(2:30:41 AM) spies8owen: Unsure. I believe both wanted Zed lynched over Kiara, so I would think they were both okay with the claim.
(2:30:56 AM) spies8owen: After that is pretty much when I went MIA.
(2:31:02 AM) spies8broderick: hmm
(2:32:21 AM) spies8broderick: So who all knew about Cory and Gertrude?
(2:32:23 AM) spies8broderick: Long list?
(2:33:14 AM) spies8owen: In order: me, Cory, Tina, Mary, Claude, Kiara.
(2:33:57 AM) spies8broderick: In order of when told?
(2:34:01 AM) spies8owen: Yep.
(2:34:09 AM) spies8owen: Might have Claude/Mary mixed up.
(2:34:30 AM) spies8broderick: Nah I think Mary knew before Claude. She seemed to say something to that affect earlier tonight I think
(2:36:39 AM) spies8owen: I think Mary was told in parts.
(2:36:43 AM) spies8owen: First about masons.
(2:36:49 AM) spies8owen: Then roles at a later point.
(2:37:06 AM) spies8broderick: Hmm.
(2:37:18 AM) spies8broderick: To be honest I wish we were going into a break
(2:38:54 AM) spies8broderick: Because I keep just getting seriously irritated about all of this. I feel like a large portion of this game has been a waste of time. Suspecting and compiling information on both Chance and Gertrude.
(2:38:56 AM) spies8broderick: *sigh*
(2:39:21 AM) spies8owen: Claude felt the same way at first.
(2:39:28 AM) spies8owen: I can understand the frustration.
(2:39:48 AM) spies8owen: Focusing on someone that long for something like this to come up.
(2:39:55 AM) spies8broderick: Had Gertrude not been imprisoned, would it of kept on going?
(2:40:00 AM) spies8broderick: The secrecy and stuff/
(2:40:03 AM) spies8owen: Cory and I wanted it out.
(2:40:19 AM) spies8owen: Spies can work around imprisonment immunities.
(2:40:21 AM) spies8owen: They did last season.
(2:40:58 AM) spies8owen: I'm not sure it could have stayed in much longer.
(2:41:09 AM) spies8owen: But I can't predict when it would have come out.
(2:41:34 AM) spies8broderick: Hmm. Well it makes the Zedekiah exile a lot more sense. Even if I think it oculd of been avoided.
(2:41:38 AM) spies8broderick: Why not just lynch Lawrence?
(2:42:03 AM) spies8owen: I couldn't vote him -- don't know why others didn't go for it.
(2:42:11 AM) spies8owen: I think Kiara was the best lynch option still.
(2:42:24 AM) spies8owen: I choked after she claimed, admittedly.
(2:46:02 AM) spies8broderick: So now that a lot of stuff is out in the open, who does that make the spies?
(2:46:20 AM) spies8owen: My top 4 would be: Jenny, Dane, Kiara, Cinnamyn.
(2:46:38 AM) spies8owen: Jenny rarely takes stances, she's defended Dane quite a bit to me.
(2:46:42 AM) spies8owen: More than she's defended anyone else.
(2:46:50 AM) spies8owen: Though, she's also defended Chance.
(2:47:08 AM) spies8broderick: Jenny/Chance relationship bothers me
(2:47:21 AM) spies8owen: Chance thinks I'm connected to Jenny.
(2:47:41 AM) spies8broderick: How so?
(2:48:33 AM) spies8owen: He thinks that if Jenny flips scum, my main defense of voting Isaac becomes null.
(2:48:57 AM) spies8broderick: How?
(2:48:59 AM) spies8owen: Maybe, just MAYBE, it's possible I was on the right track.
(2:49:08 AM) spies8owen: (11:15:00 PM) spies8cinnamyn: i am considerin' a jenny vote rite now
(11:15:02 PM) spies8cinnamyn: strongly
(11:15:29 PM) spies8owen: My vote ultimately will probably go between Isaac, Mags, Jenny.
(11:15:57 PM) spies8owen: I'm still not believing a lot of stuff Isaac says.
(11:16:22 PM) spies8owen: People can say whatever they want to appear cit, but it's a matter of them actually thinking the things they're saying that is important.

(2:49:34 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(2:49:40 AM) spies8owen: That looks good for Cin, though.
(2:49:43 AM) spies8broderick: If Jenny is a spy, that is three spies
(2:49:56 AM) spies8owen: Yessir. I'm the ultimate busser.
(2:49:57 AM) spies8broderick: Nice job bussing there Owen. You could of done it blind. lol
(2:50:13 AM) spies8broderick: Beep Beep
(2:50:24 AM) spies8owen: Bus bus baby.
(2:50:27 AM) spies8owen: I know, I'm good.
(2:51:14 AM) spies8broderick: My gut does not appreciate all of this fake scum stuff.
(2:51:23 AM) spies8broderick: It was right on a lot of things. Now it will question itself.
(2:51:24 AM) spies8owen: Sorry, sir.
(2:51:25 AM) spies8broderick: ugggh
(2:53:13 AM) spies8owen: Has Public Jennemy #1 ever defended Dane to you?
(2:53:22 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(2:53:33 AM) spies8broderick: mm nothing comes to mind
(2:53:40 AM) spies8owen: (1:28:00 AM) spies8jenny: As a spy you mean? How come?
(1:28:16 AM) spies8owen: He seems to avoid AIM. When he comes on, all he does is fight.
(1:28:34 AM) spies8owen: He questions people in simple ways like "who would you vote between?"
(1:28:47 AM) spies8owen: I just don't see him doing much.
(1:28:49 AM) spies8owen: Other than fighting.
(1:29:59 AM) spies8jenny: I might agree with that, but considering how wonderfully that train of thought went with Harold last time, that's not going to do much for me this time around.
(1:30:33 AM) spies8jenny: Especially since I've always had suspicions that they're the same person anyways.
(2:53:44 AM) spies8broderick: she is very stanceless when i ask her stuff
(2:53:47 AM) spies8owen: That's after I said Dane is moving up.
(2:54:12 AM) spies8owen: Yep, she's usually stanceless, that's why her having a stance on Dane concerns me.
(2:55:13 AM) spies8broderick: In my private history chat with her. Dane is not mentioned once
(2:55:45 AM) spies8owen:
(9:33:05 PM) spies8owen: I was looking at Dane/Brod/Kiara. Considering now I can only vote 1 of those, I guess it'd be wise to focus on Kiara at the moment.
(9:33:21 PM) spies8jenny: Dane?
(9:33:24 PM) spies8owen: Yep.
(9:33:30 PM) spies8owen: My theory now is that we have WIFOM spies.
(9:33:36 PM) spies8owen: Look at Magalie getting her vote back.
(9:33:42 PM) spies8jenny: Oh I see what you're saying now.
(9:33:44 PM) spies8owen: Now look at Dane's PUBLIC bribe.
(9:33:49 PM) spies8jenny: I thought you were saying your vote was between those three.
(2:56:27 AM) spies8owen: I give a summary on my suspicions of you/Kiara/Dane.
(2:56:29 AM) spies8owen: (9:41:32 PM) spies8owen: Opinions?
(9:43:20 PM) spies8jenny: Dane I've found has been more agreeable when I talk with him in private. I was kind of talking about it with someone earlier actually, when someone brought up how him and Ricky both get in fights a lot.

Ricky gets into fights a lot mainly from coming off as arrogant or haughty, while Dane seems to get into his fights by disagreeing with someone about a point and blitzing them on it.
(2:57:19 AM) spies8broderick: oh ok she has defended him in public chats
(2:57:20 AM) spies8owen: Basically, whenever I bring Dane up, she questions it.
(2:57:34 AM) spies8broderick: Saying how she has had quite a few convos with him, when people say he isnt around
(2:58:41 AM) spies8broderick: like two large points I have against Jenny, from my own interactions with her. Is that she copy/pasts a lot of her thoughts. If I ask her what she thinks on something or a suspect, she'll say "oh I was just talking about that, lemme paste that'
(2:58:50 AM) spies8broderick: Which I find rather odd. Why not just resay it
(2:59:08 AM) spies8owen: Haven't really noticed that with me and her.
(2:59:09 AM) spies8broderick: Also her avoidance of me asking her to provide evidence in how Awohali was taking a note from Claude and myself.
(2:59:21 AM) spies8owen: But what I've noticed is that she states things that have happened, not opinions.
(2:59:40 AM) spies8broderick: She finally responded when I made a thread about it. But I felt she didn't exactly answer it. It was more like 'here are a couple of links'
(3:00:19 AM) spies8owen: (11:39:24 PM) spies8jenny: Anyways, since I brought it up a while ago in the group chat, I might as well show you. Spice was asking me earlier what I was thinking as far as suspicions went, after wondering what I was doing looking for cits. Ended up showing the game board note chart thing I've had around for a bit, so I might as well show it to you too.
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(3:00:48 AM) spies8owen: Seems over-cit.
(3:01:15 AM) spies8broderick: i didn't understand that. lol
(3:01:50 AM) spies8owen: I think on the darkside board, the ones closest to the top are her spy picks.
(3:01:52 AM) spies8owen: Bottom unsure.
(3:01:56 AM) spies8owen: Other board are her cits.
(3:02:58 AM) spies8broderick: hmm
(3:03:17 AM) spies8broderick: Did you read the log for today/night?
(3:03:27 AM) spies8owen: Negative. Will do.
(3:03:42 AM) spies8owen: Was Jenny around?
(3:03:45 AM) spies8broderick: I felt Jenny was always 'ontop' of telling people when they got on, that Awohali didn't have a role and that he lied. Then she would say 'according to Kaira'
(3:03:46 AM) spies8broderick: Yeah
(3:03:59 AM) spies8broderick: We battled getting our vote back for.. four hours i think
(3:04:32 AM) spies8broderick: Kiara I think is going to vote for Jenny, regardless that her role said Awohali doesn't have one
(3:04:38 AM) spies8broderick: Which I found rather odd
(3:04:54 AM) spies8broderick: She said that Awohali must be lying because of it, but wouldn't/couldnt explain why she thought he lied.
(3:04:56 AM) spies8owen: Hmm...
(3:05:03 AM) spies8owen: That could be because she knows there's too many cit roles out there.
(3:05:07 AM) spies8owen: And hers is fake.
(3:05:28 AM) spies8broderick: She said she wasnt a psychologist, so couldn't explain what he was thinking
(3:05:33 AM) spies8broderick: Which i take to be a total copout
(3:06:11 AM) spies8owen: I know if I legitimately found out he didn't have a role, my vote wouldn't DEFINITELY be on Jenny.
(3:06:13 AM) spies8owen: I'd be looking around more.
(3:07:15 AM) spies8broderick: It just didnt seem right to me, in regards to Kiara
(3:07:40 AM) spies8owen: The Cinnamyn convo about "using her role on Jenny"
(3:07:43 AM) spies8owen: Seemed off to me too.
(3:07:43 AM) spies8broderick: I guess it was that Jenny is still scummy, even though Awohali lied
(3:07:57 AM) spies8broderick: That didnt make much sense either
(3:08:06 AM) spies8owen: It sounded like
(3:08:06 AM) spies8broderick: Dane was doing something similar in the chat as well
(3:08:13 AM) spies8owen: she thought it would clear Jenny.
(3:08:25 AM) spies8broderick: Kiara did in the group chat a well
(3:08:27 AM) spies8owen: That's how I interpreted it.
(3:08:33 AM) spies8broderick: Altogether too much weirdness
(3:08:46 AM) spies8broderick: It sounded to me like Kiara was going to use her role ON Jenny, which would clear her.
(3:08:58 AM) spies8broderick: Which didn't make sense at all.
(3:09:00 AM) spies8owen: From the Cinnamyn convo?
(3:09:07 AM) spies8broderick: Yes, from the Cinnamyn convo
(3:09:32 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, that's what I took it as. It would clear Jenny.
(3:10:40 AM) spies8owen: Also have to wonder if they found out Cory was the doctor.
(3:10:51 AM) spies8owen: Last two to find out about that before he died = Kiara & Steph.
(3:10:59 AM) spies8owen: Steph wanted to get him lynched, though.
(3:11:07 AM) spies8owen: Didn't trust it whatsoever.
(3:11:15 AM) spies8broderick: lol?
(3:11:21 AM) spies8broderick:
spies8dane (19:25:37): with your exile jenny, we know whether or not kiara is for real

spies8dane (19:26:9): either we get a proven cit in kiara, or we get 2 spies
(3:11:45 AM) spies8owen: That's what I'm hoping for.
(3:11:49 AM) spies8owen: And Daney, you're #3.
(3:12:15 AM) spies8broderick:
spies8dane (19:19:56): is it possible she could be a spy security point?

spies8dane (19:20:3): and thats why she only got one check?

spies8broderick (19:20:17): hmm?
(3:12:20 AM) spies8broderick: That is what Dane said, which I found odd
(3:12:32 AM) spies8owen: Interesting..
(3:12:49 AM) spies8broderick:
spies8cinnamyn (19:20:21): maybe, but i dont believe it 2 begin wit'

spies8dane (19:20:25): gotcha

spies8cinnamyn (19:20:44): she also got more than 1 check

spies8broderick (19:20:46): what do you mean one check spyDane?

spies8cinnamyn (19:20:47): according 2 her

spies8dane (19:20:54): per round, wasn't it?

spies8jenny (19:20:59): She only gets 2 if she guesses right about the alignment of the person being exiled.

spies8dane (19:21:3): oh, right

spies8dane (19:21:9): hmmm
(3:12:49 AM) spies8owen: That actually sounds plausible.
(3:12:54 AM) spies8broderick: Was right after it
(3:13:22 AM) spies8broderick: I still have to read the entire log. Wasnt paying attention, fully
(3:14:36 AM) spies8broderick:
spies8dane (19:16:21): she says kiara might be a spy

spies8broderick (19:16:23): She probably didnt expect Chance to post it publicly, and I was to verify if people thought he/her were lying

spies8dane (19:16:26): which actually makes sense

spies8dane (19:16:40): otherwise there is a lot more cit roles than we expected

spies8dane (19:16:44): *are
(3:14:47 AM) spies8broderick:
spies8stephanie (19:16:55): we?

spies8stephanie (19:17:3): who is we exactly dane?

spies8stephanie (19:17:11): the spies?

spies8dane (19:17:14): a lot of people talked about it in group chat fanny :-)=

spies8dane (19:17:18): look it up :-)
(3:14:59 AM) spies8broderick: That wording was a bit odd to me
(3:15:28 AM) spies8owen: Starting to read the chat now.
(3:15:38 AM) spies8broderick: lol. K
(3:15:47 AM) spies8owen: More cit roles than "we" expected. Oh wow, that is a really poor choice of words.
(3:16:26 AM) spies8owen: spies8chance 6:56 pm
nope.
we both had our roles from day one.
we were just made masons later.
gertie was the angel. i'm the devil.
spies8jenny 6:57 pm
Cute.
(3:16:32 AM) spies8owen: She doesn't seem to be doubting it.
(3:16:43 AM) spies8broderick: no
(3:17:07 AM) spies8owen: That was one of the only things that ever worried me about Tina. She believed it SO quickly.
(3:17:19 AM) spies8owen: Cory and I both needed a night to think it over.
(3:17:22 AM) spies8broderick: I'm not sold on Chance
(3:17:49 AM) spies8owen: I don't think Sam would tell them so many times that they are both citizens. That is a gamebreaker.
(3:18:19 AM) spies8owen: I don't think Sam would tell them so many times that they are both citizens if they're not*
(3:18:59 AM) spies8owen: They weren't allowed to tell us how they came together as masons, but Cory and I were pretty sure it had something to do with a bribe.
(3:19:37 AM) spies8broderick: Hmm
(3:19:49 AM) spies8broderick: He told them more than once?
(3:21:26 AM) spies8owen: They said it was stressed multiple times to them.
(3:21:41 AM) spies8owen: Not sure if it was at different times or the same message.
(3:22:04 AM) spies8broderick: Why would Kiara get her results so quickly after imprisonment?
(3:22:42 AM) spies8owen: Not sure. I'm not a psychologist.
(3:23:18 AM) spies8owen: Still reading up on the chat, Gert hasn't been imprisoned yet.
(3:23:24 AM) spies8broderick: it was aposted at :42. it was said in chat that awohali had lied @ :51
(3:23:30 AM) spies8broderick: Oh, where is that posted?
(3:23:46 AM) spies8owen: Episode 8 group chats. First post.
(3:23:55 AM) spies8owen: Chance talks about why he suspects me there.
(3:24:02 AM) spies8owen: Because I didn't die over Cory. Best reasoning ever.
(3:24:08 AM) spies8broderick: Are we looking at the same log?
(3:24:33 AM) spies8owen: I'd assume so.
(3:24:41 AM) spies8owen: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=1347 ??
(3:24:44 AM) spies8broderick: Gertrude was imprisoned like 15 minutes before it was supposed to happen
(3:25:11 AM) spies8owen: Ahh, what the hell, Gert is still in the chat.
(3:25:11 AM) spies8broderick: Yeah. she was imprisoned like the first few lines. technically before that even happened
(3:25:23 AM) spies8broderick: Yeah. It was posted early. I gues no one new
(3:25:41 AM) spies8broderick: Imprisonment was posted @ :42, 18 minutes before schedule
(3:25:56 AM) spies8broderick: Claude said @ :51 that Kiard got a result
(3:26:05 AM) spies8broderick: Which is freaking mighty speedy of Sam to post a role result
(3:26:22 AM) spies8owen: That is really quick.
(3:26:28 AM) spies8owen: On another note, that really blows it was posted early.
(3:26:34 AM) spies8broderick: Yeah
(3:26:36 AM) spies8owen: People need all the time they can get to talk before going.
(3:26:58 AM) spies8broderick: It was really weird. I entered the chat, I think right after sending you that message. And that was being talking about. I was vry confused
(3:27:05 AM) spies8broderick: *talked
(3:27:18 AM) spies8broderick: I don't think there was an explanation about why it was early
(3:28:14 AM) spies8owen: lmao, I should probably read instead of skim. I completely missed the beginning part where she said Awo didn't have a role. It quickly switched into Chance saying that I have to be the spy from the secret group.
(3:28:39 AM) spies8broderick: lol yes. I called Chance a spy since Gertrude was probably sending him a message. Which made no sense
(3:28:48 AM) spies8broderick: Then he kind of got rude, and outed his role
(3:29:48 AM) spies8owen: spies8chance 6:51 pm
i'd much rather lynch owen.
spies8jenny 6:51 pm
Hi Kitty!
spies8chance 6:51 pm
gertie's imprisonment points right at him.
(3:29:53 AM) spies8owen: Legitimately made me lol.
(3:29:54 AM) spies8broderick: mmhmm
(3:30:02 AM) spies8owen: How in the hell?
(3:30:17 AM) spies8broderick: Dont ask me.
(3:30:28 AM) spies8broderick: Half of the logic Chance uses, does not make sense
(3:33:58 AM) spies8broderick: If they both became mason's because of a bribe, that doesn't really make sense
(3:34:41 AM) spies8owen: There's definitely something to it that they weren't allowed to tell us.
(3:35:20 AM) spies8broderick: Yes. But a bribe would imply that the spies knew about both of them. Just too convenient that two people whom have similar roles are both bribed to be masons
(3:35:30 AM) spies8broderick: Apparently Stephanie was on the right track
(3:35:34 AM) spies8owen: spies8cinnamyn 8:14 pm
whassup
spies8jenny 8:14 pm
Hi Spice!
Hali didn't have a role after all, according to Kitty.

This what you meant by "ontop"
(3:35:35 AM) spies8owen: ?
(3:36:38 AM) spies8broderick: Why idn't Chance make anyone immune from exile this round?
(3:36:45 AM) spies8broderick: Yes
(3:36:57 AM) spies8broderick: later when Lawrence signed on, she told him privately
(3:37:28 AM) spies8broderick: I can't remember who came in later, but she was more adament and confident when she was telling it
(3:38:34 AM) spies8broderick: Another thing that struck me as odd, when I was paying attention - was that Jenny would answer a lot of these role questions for Chance
(3:38:45 AM) spies8broderick: Seemed kind of like she knew, before hand. beforehand being tonight
(3:39:27 AM) spies8broderick: So chance didn't know about Cory being the doc?
(3:39:43 AM) spies8owen: Chance knew.
(3:39:58 AM) spies8broderick: but i don't see a reason for the spies to have picked cory over owen when NEITHER was immune.
(3:40:02 AM) spies8broderick: Chance said that
(3:40:25 AM) spies8owen: People that knew about doc to my knowledge in order: me, Tina, Chance/Gert, Mary, Claude, Kiara, Stephanie.
(3:41:02 AM) spies8owen: Chance can predict what the spies are thinking, apparently.
(3:41:04 AM) spies8broderick: hmm.
(3:41:28 AM) spies8broderick: Why would he say that. Kind of makes no sense. Unless he thought everyone who knew was a cit
(3:41:50 AM) spies8owen: I wanted Cory protected that round. I pretty much wanted out of the game at that time.
(3:43:02 AM) spies8owen: I think what a lot of people forget is that citizens that have been right have made it to the end before.
(3:43:02 AM) spies8broderick: He said neither of you were immune that episode
(3:43:07 AM) spies8owen: We weren't.
(3:43:12 AM) spies8owen: Apparently Gert forgot to use it.
(3:43:15 AM) spies8broderick: Yeah
(3:43:26 AM) spies8owen: But I had told her I didn't want it used on me that round.
(3:43:32 AM) spies8broderick: What I am getting at though - is why would he see no reason for the spies to choose cory over yourself, when Cory was the doc
(3:43:49 AM) spies8owen: I have no idea, I'm wondering similar things.
(3:43:59 AM) spies8owen: Like why I would all of a sudden kill Gert now after knowing for the longest time.
(3:44:05 AM) spies8owen: But apparently this points directly at me.
(3:44:25 AM) spies8broderick: spies8chance 7:06 pm
well, mary will be happy, at least.
she's been pushing me to claim for a while.
'you playing scummy is messing up people's spyhunting', blah blah blah.
spies8claude 7:06 pm
That is completely true.
But anyway.
spies8chance 7:06 pm
meh.
i did what i had to do.
spies8claude 7:06 pm
It's fortunate that this is the last Spies game.
spies8chance 7:06 pm
anyway.
spies8claude 7:07 pm
Because I'll never play another one after a role like yours was included.
spies8jenny 7:07 pm
*sigh*
spies8chance 7:07 pm
that's nice. moving on.
(3:44:32 AM) spies8broderick: lol. that makes me lol
(3:44:39 AM) spies8broderick: hard core it does
(3:45:02 AM) spies8owen: lmao, oh Claude. He was so pissed at Sam after he found out about the role.
(3:45:08 AM) spies8owen: "bastard modding"
(3:45:11 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(3:45:25 AM) spies8broderick: I was more laughing about Chance 'moving on' 'meh' anyway' blah blah blah
(3:45:29 AM) spies8broderick: 'did what i had to'
(3:45:44 AM) spies8broderick: I can't remember who siad it, Claude I think. That Chance was more concerned about his role that anything
(3:45:53 AM) spies8broderick: 'you playing scummy is messing up people's spyhunting', blah blah blah.
(3:46:05 AM) spies8broderick: Someone who is a citizen, should be concerned about that
(3:46:15 AM) spies8owen: I really don't think Chance was intentionally being scummy.
(3:46:19 AM) spies8owen: That's the best/worst part
(3:47:08 AM) spies8broderick: spies8chance 7:09 pm
so then, who's the lynch this time?
(3:47:13 AM) spies8owen: A lot of what Gert was doing was to avoid imprisonment.
(3:47:19 AM) spies8owen: I think Gert was a lot better than she was letting on.
(3:47:40 AM) spies8broderick: extremely annoying to me lol
(3:47:53 AM) spies8owen: Apparently I'm worth lynching over Jenny.
(3:48:06 AM) spies8owen: spies8chance 6:51 pm
i'd much rather lynch owen.
(3:48:08 AM) spies8broderick: I was and am pretty sure that she implied wrongly about her mafia history, but moot point noww
(3:48:13 AM) spies8broderick: lol yes
(3:48:38 AM) spies8broderick: spies8chance 7:09 pm
lynching jenny would shed light on the burg, but i don't want to lynch her just for information.
i'd very much like a jasmine lynch. awohali flipping citizen makes it extremely likely she's a spy.
(3:48:45 AM) spies8owen: If I get lynched over Jenny, I might pull a Broderick "ROFL" at every vote I get.
(3:48:56 AM) spies8broderick: I asked him to explain about Awohali making Jasmine a spy and he said 'go look it up' or something lol
(3:49:11 AM) spies8broderick: Laughing is healthy
(3:49:14 AM) spies8owen: Uhh, I don't see how that makes Jasmine a spy.
(3:49:43 AM) spies8owen: Don't see the connection.
(3:50:00 AM) spies8owen: Though, I'm unsure about Jas myself. Haven't talked to her at all in weeks.
(3:50:26 AM) spies8broderick: spies8chance 7:11 pm
jasmine's behavior towards awohali in episode 2 through 4 makes no sense at all if she's a citizen.
spies8claude 7:12 pm
I'm pretty sure you're not one to question anyone's behavior toward Awohali.
Like ever.
(3:50:27 AM) spies8broderick: rofl
(3:50:30 AM) spies8broderick: fuck
(3:50:42 AM) spies8broderick: every time i copy/paste it changes
(3:50:55 AM) spies8owen: Uhh... Chance suspected Awo.
(3:50:57 AM) spies8owen: For a while.
(3:51:11 AM) spies8broderick: Crappy reasons, I thought
(3:51:18 AM) spies8owen: I think he was working on a case for him since the post to get your vote back challenge.
(3:51:19 AM) spies8owen: >_>
(3:51:28 AM) spies8broderick: He posted it last episode
(3:51:35 AM) spies8broderick: It sucked
(3:51:57 AM) spies8broderick: Mary Pmed me the 'infant case'
(3:52:22 AM) spies8owen: Didn't think either case was against him was particularly good, but I felt pretty strongly gut-wise that he was scum.
(3:52:31 AM) spies8broderick: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=burg&action=display&thread=1269
(3:52:33 AM) spies8owen: Another reason Claude stuck on Chance was so we could see the wagon.
(3:52:34 AM) spies8broderick: Was Chance's
(3:52:47 AM) spies8owen: Unfortunately, that doesn't work too well when Chance is acting scummy as hell.
(3:53:02 AM) spies8broderick: Nope
(3:54:13 AM) spies8broderick: Later on in the chat, people just keep saying that Awohali was essntially a total idiot
(3:54:19 AM) spies8broderick: Which annoyed me to no end.
(3:54:34 AM) spies8broderick: Yeah I was not really paying attention, but no one seemed to give reasons why
(3:54:56 AM) spies8owen: Awo was smart. Didn't trust him, but I thought he was smart.
(3:55:14 AM) spies8broderick: spies8claude 7:21 pm
I'm really having a hard time believing that Awohali lied about having a role, knowing about Kiara's role.
spies8chance 7:22 pm
let's think.
spies8claude 7:22 pm
It was so, so obvious that we would just have Kiara check him.
(3:55:18 AM) spies8broderick: Excellent point by Claude
(3:55:43 AM) spies8owen: Great point.
(3:55:51 AM) spies8owen: Not that I really need to be convinced of it.
(3:56:01 AM) spies8owen: I don't see Awo screwing us like that.
(3:56:05 AM) spies8owen: Even on his way out, he stuck to it.
(3:58:06 AM) spies8broderick: Yeah. I think you, myself, Claude, and Mary are in agreement that I can think of
(3:58:34 AM) spies8broderick: His character, even up until the end did not support him running such a gambit or being spiteful
(3:58:44 AM) spies8broderick: Cinn agrees with him not being spiteful as well I think
(3:58:47 AM) spies8broderick: Any ways lol
(3:59:56 AM) spies8owen: Random: is it me, or does it feel like there's a lot of n00bs left?
(4:00:04 AM) spies8broderick: Not just you
(4:00:05 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:00:12 AM) spies8broderick: spies8chance 7:33 pm
also, by the way, for anyone who's wondering, no one is immune from exile this round because gertie was imprisoned, and i was protecting her again.
(4:00:18 AM) spies8broderick: There is the answer to that question I had
(4:00:42 AM) spies8owen: At least he didn't get a chance to protect Jenny.
(4:00:48 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:00:54 AM) spies8broderick: Why did he always go after her?
(4:00:55 AM) spies8owen: Oh lord, there's his ghost AIM.
(4:01:07 AM) spies8owen: To assure she didn't get votes and could save people.
(4:01:26 AM) spies8broderick: lol he must've blocked me. ;-)
(4:01:34 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:01:45 AM) spies8owen: Yep, he did.
(4:02:10 AM) spies8owen: I don't block anyone, I just won't respond. Oh right, you know that.
(4:02:25 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:02:28 AM) spies8broderick: I blocked Cinnamyn
(4:02:35 AM) spies8broderick: Well, I sent him a PM
(4:02:45 AM) spies8owen: Chance?
(4:02:46 AM) spies8broderick: He was being rude to me, so I told him to just get it out of his system
(4:02:49 AM) spies8broderick: Yes, CHance
(4:03:16 AM) spies8broderick: lol. Chance compared Awohali and Mags
(4:03:27 AM) spies8owen: I told Chance that it might actually be easier to communicate with you in PM for now. Worked for me.
(4:03:30 AM) spies8owen: ...
(4:03:36 AM) spies8owen: That is the worst comparison evre.
(4:03:41 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:03:50 AM) spies8broderick: It won't for PM's either.
(4:04:26 AM) spies8broderick: A few episodes ago I prodded him with a PM about something he said in chat. He wanted to be reminded of something to ask me. So I quoted it for him in a PM. He responded that he wanted to do it in chat, that he didn't do PMs
(4:04:29 AM) spies8owen: It worked for us. We're going to save this town together, even if you're an asshole.
(4:05:08 AM) spies8broderick: I noticed over the break that he never followed up on it, so I prodded him again. His response made me laugh
(4:05:08 AM) spies8owen: Hahaha, what a diva.
(4:05:12 AM) spies8owen: I don't do PM's, sorry
(4:05:30 AM) spies8broderick: lol. Asshole or not, I dont care any more.
(4:05:40 AM) spies8owen: I'm over it.
(4:05:49 AM) spies8broderick: Perceptions are relative, and continuing the sidetrack of that topic is not going to get the burg anywhere
(4:05:52 AM) spies8owen: Shit like that ruined the game for the town in Spies 7.
(4:06:07 AM) spies8owen: Not enough town players working together.
(4:06:22 AM) spies8broderick: It was one of the reasons I wanted Chance to just get it out.
(4:06:32 AM) spies8broderick: But any ways.
(4:08:43 AM) spies8broderick: so why would he lie?
spies8chance 7:44 pm
that would strike down half the remaining spies in one blow and i just don't think they'd risk that much.
to get jenny lynched, obviously.
i've definitely seen town players lie about having roles (and investigations in particular) in order to get someone they thought was a baddie lynched.
spies has a history of it, in fact.
spies8broderick 7:44 pm
Why would Awohali?
His character doesnt support that
spies8chance 7:45 pm
and when you're being lynched, character has a way of going out the window.
(4:09:00 AM) spies8broderick: I don't like how he has a seemingly vauge reason for everything
(4:09:26 AM) spies8owen: And why does he trust Kiara?
(4:09:36 AM) spies8broderick: I dont know
(4:09:40 AM) spies8owen: Ridiculous.
(4:09:49 AM) spies8broderick: I still dont understand why they revealed to Kiara soon after Zed's exile
(4:09:54 AM) spies8owen: I've defended him for 4 rounds, btw. Do you understand my stress?
(4:10:02 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:10:22 AM) spies8broderick: He quotes spies history to me, and uses it as a reason against awohali
(4:10:44 AM) spies8broderick: take iris/amelia for example to his stance that jenny was proabbly oging, so why would kiara spy try to save her
(4:10:45 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:10:57 AM) spies8owen: I trusted Gert mostly, so him by default.
(4:11:05 AM) spies8owen: Hmm, I didn't know he had that much knowledge of the series.
(4:11:13 AM) spies8owen: I'd expect him to not be as... uhh...
(4:11:14 AM) spies8owen: Scummy.
(4:11:28 AM) spies8broderick: I cant go down that road of discussion
(4:11:46 AM) spies8broderick: I can. I just dont want to
(4:11:47 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:12:31 AM) spies8broderick: I used a similar argument with Jenny, about spies history
(4:12:34 AM) spies8broderick: But any ways
(4:12:53 AM) spies8owen: That was one of my first reasons for suspecting her.
(4:12:57 AM) spies8broderick: She was defending Kiara, that he guessing the alignment would be redundant if she were a spy
(4:13:01 AM) spies8owen: Experience compared to her playstyle.
(4:13:10 AM) spies8broderick: She claims she has never played spies before
(4:13:15 AM) spies8broderick: But knows quite a bit of its history
(4:13:20 AM) spies8owen: Yet knows at least the past 3 seasons.
(4:13:25 AM) spies8owen: She compared Alexei to Callahan.
(4:13:37 AM) spies8broderick: But I pointed that I believe last season, a spy had an investigation
(4:13:43 AM) spies8broderick: she said that was not redundant
(4:15:32 AM) spies8broderick: spies8chance (18:19:6): kiara knew about gertie and i from just before the zedekiah exile on.
(4:15:36 AM) spies8broderick: I thought it was after
(4:17:20 AM) spies8owen: I thought it was after as well.
(4:17:24 AM) spies8owen: Checking logs.
(4:17:45 AM) spies8broderick: I'm looking as well. I thought he said she knew after in this group log he posted
(4:18:16 AM) spies8broderick: spies8chance (17:00:59): kiara found out right after her claim.
(4:18:27 AM) spies8broderick: Seems pretty quick to tell her
(4:20:48 AM) spies8owen: (1:44:38 AM) spies8chance: so do we bring kiara in here, or no?
(1:44:53 AM) spies8cory: Honestly I am beyond caring who knows about my role
(1:44:55 AM) spies8cory: Up to you two
(1:45:07 AM) spies8chance: gertrude?
(1:45:12 AM) spies8cory: If I have yet to clue a Spy in on my role I will be amazed
(1:45:14 AM) spies8chance: you're the one in the most danger, i think.
(1:45:17 AM) spies8chance: or the most valuable.
(1:45:42 AM) spies8chance: i think kiara's a citizen, so my vote is yes.
(1:45:52 AM) spies8gertrude: Tonight, is the night where I don't care about anything.
(1:45:57 AM) spies8gertrude: I may scream tomorrow, though.
(1:46:08 AM) spies8chance: alright.
(1:46:13 AM) spies8chance: i'll invite her, then.
(1:46:26 AM) spies8kiara entered the room.
(4:20:59 AM) spies8broderick: so was awohalis role real or fake
spies8jenny 8:26 pm
Fake according to Kitty.
(4:21:01 AM) spies8owen: I'll had to read up more, but I wasn't aware she knew anything when invited.
(4:21:29 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:24:32 AM) spies8owen: Found nothing to indicate she knew before that.
(4:25:08 AM) spies8owen: Nevermind.
(4:25:09 AM) spies8owen: (10:49:32 PM) spies8chance: heh, kiara thinks my role is a spy's.
(4:25:26 AM) spies8owen: Guess that checks out.
(4:26:00 AM) spies8owen: "Fake according to Kitty." If I was a cit, I'd know it's FAKE ACCORDING TO MYSELF>
(4:26:13 AM) spies8owen: Did she even heavily protest it?
(4:26:25 AM) spies8broderick: I dont believe so no
(4:26:31 AM) spies8owen: I don't recall any strong defense after it.
(4:26:35 AM) spies8broderick: I think she simply avoided addressing it
(4:26:51 AM) spies8broderick: I think someone asked her if she had anything to say, and Claude answered before she did
(4:27:00 AM) spies8broderick: Something to the affect of 'well what can she say'
(4:27:07 AM) spies8owen: If Jenny flips, Steph looks really good. 3 spies on the block round 4? Doubtful.
(4:27:51 AM) spies8owen: Though I don't get why they would pick Steph if they were hoping for a mislynch. I made it pretty clear that I thought Steph was town.
(4:27:52 AM) spies8broderick: I dont get how Gertrude couldn't immune herself, but Chance could immune himself
(4:28:13 AM) spies8owen: Never really thought of that.
(4:28:22 AM) spies8broderick: I half asked in the chat
(4:28:27 AM) spies8owen: Chance's role would suck if he couldn't protect himself though.
(4:28:36 AM) spies8owen: Gert's is still a good doctors role.
(4:28:43 AM) spies8owen: Or bodyguarc.
(4:29:28 AM) spies8broderick: I've been thinking Stephanie more citizen, because she chose Mags over Themba, and then Jenny over Awohali
(4:29:45 AM) spies8owen: The roles do make sense together. His role assures that hers will work.
(4:30:18 AM) spies8owen: I've felt good about Lawrence since he picked Thembs over Magalie.
(4:30:18 AM) spies8broderick: It would help believing, if he werent so freaking scummy
(4:30:28 AM) spies8broderick: That was the old Lawrence though
(4:30:29 AM) spies8owen: Magalie over Thems****
(4:30:35 AM) spies8broderick: The new one has my gut saying sort of spy
(4:30:37 AM) spies8owen: Have yet to talk to new Lawrence.
(4:30:58 AM) spies8owen: Do find it interesting that he was replaced and not Izzie'd.
(4:31:03 AM) spies8owen: Can't Izzie a spy.
(4:31:07 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:31:17 AM) spies8broderick: He was gone for quite awhile
(4:31:28 AM) spies8owen: Also find it interesting that Rondak was clearly a priority.
(4:31:33 AM) spies8owen: Or maybe he just found his replacement on his own.
(4:31:44 AM) spies8broderick: Dunno
(4:32:03 AM) spies8owen: Gotta think Sam would replace a spy first.
(4:32:18 AM) spies8owen: But like Kiara, not a psychologist.
(4:32:24 AM) spies8broderick: Maybe
(4:32:28 AM) spies8broderick: Definitely
(4:32:29 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:35:22 AM) spies8broderick: spies8dane: (10:10:31 PM) role claims out the wazoo
spies8dane: (10:10:37 PM) how many cits left?
(4:35:26 AM) spies8broderick: awww dane. lol
(4:36:13 AM) spies8owen: LOL. I honestly don't believe he's that clueless.
(4:36:26 AM) spies8broderick: spies8jenny: (10:11:13 PM) Well I know for sure the investigation is fake. Either the role was fake to begin with, or it was the most fail use of a role ever.
(4:36:35 AM) spies8broderick: I think the first time she actually says so
(4:36:36 AM) spies8owen: Uhh, no.
(4:36:55 AM) spies8owen: "Most fail role power ever."
(4:36:57 AM) spies8owen: No way.
(4:37:08 AM) spies8broderick: no lol
(4:37:23 AM) spies8broderick: Dane thought it was lylo with ten citizens : four spies
(4:37:24 AM) spies8owen: As a citizen, I wouldn't even bring that up as a possibility.
(4:37:40 AM) spies8owen: Poor Dane.
(4:37:47 AM) spies8owen: I think there's 4 mislynches left.
(4:37:51 AM) spies8owen: Though, Jenny did that math for me.
(4:38:02 AM) spies8owen: There's probably less.
(4:38:28 AM) spies8broderick: well sure
(4:38:38 AM) spies8broderick: shouldn't use all of those mislynches
(4:38:56 AM) spies8broderick: did that factor in imprisonments?
(4:39:07 AM) spies8owen: Of course not. Nailing them without any is ideal.
(4:39:34 AM) spies8owen: (4:38:56 AM) spies8broderick: did that factor in imprisonments?
(4:39:35 AM) spies8owen: Ask Jenny.
(4:40:19 AM) spies8broderick: lol
(4:41:24 AM) spies8broderick: Magalie -> Isaac (2) Cory and Mary
Magalie -> Jenny (2) Cinnamyn and Awohali
Magalie -> Steph (2) Jenny and Lawrence
Magalie -> Cladue (1) Chance
Magalie -> Rondak (1) Gertrude

(4:41:49 AM) spies8broderick: Don't understand how at least Hambone and Cinnamyn didnt understand that.
(4:42:02 AM) spies8broderick: Cinnamyn thought I was saying the Steph switchers were the most suspicious
(4:43:22 AM) spies8owen: Weren't you just updating the thread?
(4:43:32 AM) spies8broderick: Yeah
(4:43:55 AM) spies8broderick: I had Cory and Awohali crossed off - no longer here.
(4:43:59 AM) spies8broderick: Thought it was obvious
(4:44:09 AM) spies8owen: Not in this burg.
(4:44:15 AM) spies8owen: You must be implying that Lawrence is a spy.
(4:44:40 AM) spies8broderick: Why not Chance for switching to Cladue?
(4:44:43 AM) spies8broderick: Who is Cladue?
(4:44:49 AM) spies8owen: lmao
(4:45:25 AM) spies8owen: Might as well have voted no exile. Very scummy.
(4:46:11 AM) spies8owen: "What does that mean, Brody? "
(4:46:27 AM) spies8owen: Oh, Hammy. I actually have thought he was putting on the whole "Survivor player" thing, but it's seeming more likely.
(4:46:40 AM) spies8broderick: He isn't dumb
(4:46:44 AM) spies8owen: Definitely not.
(4:46:55 AM) spies8owen: He picked up on the game quickly.
(4:46:56 AM) spies8broderick: It could just be a play, but he isn't a noob entirely either.
(4:47:27 AM) spies8owen: With Rondak you could tell he was legimiately new, Hambone it's very questionable.
(4:47:36 AM) spies8owen: Because I know how difficult it is the first time around.
(4:49:42 AM) spies8broderick: Yeah.
(4:49:53 AM) spies8broderick: Did you see the part in the log with Kiara?
(4:50:47 AM) spies8broderick: spies8kiara: (11:07:30 PM) wait
spies8kiara: (11:07:51 PM) when the heck did i try to clear jenny? i said the result of my role, i never drew a single conclusion
spies8broderick: (11:08:07 PM) why not?
spies8kiara: (11:08:16 PM) spies8kiara 6:49 pm
(6:49:22 PM): omgomgomg
spies8claude 6:49 pm
(6:49:28 PM): ?
spies8kiara 6:49 pm
(6:49:41 PM): awohali lied!
spies8claude 6:49 pm
(6:49:49 PM): ...
spies8kiara 6:49 pm
(6:49:55 PM): awohali did not have a role
spies8claude 6:50 pm
(6:50:20 PM): Probably still going to lynch Jenny today.
spies8kiara 6:50 pm
(6:50:40 PM): oh i still think shes scummy as hell, but im shocked
(4:51:17 AM) spies8broderick: Shows she found out less than ten minutes after imprisonment was posted
(4:51:21 AM) spies8owen: Interesting.
(4:51:28 AM) spies8broderick: Which is super quick
(4:51:38 AM) spies8owen: Still think this could be so that she can still vote Jenny, but that it looks like there's 1 less cit role out there.
(4:51:42 AM) spies8owen: So that people aren't suspicious of hers.
(4:52:05 AM) spies8broderick: The stuff that follows that is odd
(4:52:18 AM) spies8broderick: I know I was kinda half paying attention at the time, butit was weird
(4:54:20 AM) spies8owen: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=burg&thread=931&page=1#5041
(4:54:37 AM) spies8owen: On Kiara -- I thought that could be to draw attention off of Isaac and onto Steph.
(4:54:48 AM) spies8broderick: spies8kiara: (11:15:57 PM) i do believe the results. i believe that he lied. just because he doesnt have the role doesnt mean jennys clean
(4:56:06 AM) spies8owen: Did she provide any reasons why she'd be voting Jenny otherwise?
(4:56:17 AM) spies8broderick: Mm dont think so.
(4:56:25 AM) spies8broderick: I can't recall her every really discussing Jenny.
(4:56:35 AM) spies8broderick: Though havent' spoken to her directly in awhile
(4:57:14 AM) spies8broderick: I believe the last time I talked to her, her suspects were kind of musical
(4:57:18 AM) spies8broderick: Before her claim
(4:57:21 AM) spies8owen: Only person I can recall her being suspicious of from our convos (recent ones, at least) is Dane.
(4:57:30 AM) spies8owen: Because of the WIFOM.
(4:59:06 AM) spies8broderick: tina rodnak magalie
(4:59:13 AM) spies8broderick: Is the last I know of directly
(5:00:45 AM) spies8broderick: She suspected Dane earlier in the game
(5:03:10 AM) spies8owen: (2:28:44 AM) spies8owen: I think the most the spies would do to me at this point would be subtly push me.
(2:29:02 AM) spies8owen: Like I think Brod/Awo are doing.
(5:03:13 AM) spies8owen: That was to Kiara last time we talked.
(5:03:18 AM) spies8owen: That could be how Cinnamyn got it.
(5:03:21 AM) spies8owen: Just something to keep in mind.
(5:03:25 AM) spies8broderick: Claude doesn't know Cory was the Doc?
(5:03:30 AM) spies8owen: He does.
(5:03:40 AM) spies8owen: Is he playing stupid?
(5:03:46 AM) spies8broderick: yes lol
(5:05:03 AM) spies8broderick: That reminds me
(5:09:37 AM) spies8owen: Of?
(5:10:01 AM) spies8broderick: lol sorry. To ask Mary something about Cinnamyn
(5:10:18 AM) spies8broderick: Who mary told about cinnamyn's suspects being zed, kiard, and jenny th enight of exile 6
(5:10:26 AM) spies8broderick: *kiara
(5:46:28 AM) spies8owen: I'm gonna get some sleep. Later.

[Owen]

(3:08:34 AM) spies8owen: Hey Brondak. didn't even notice you were on until my 2nd Buddy List Jenny told me.
(3:08:36 AM) spies8owen: How goes it?
(3:08:56 AM) spies8rondak: Everything is going perfect
(3:09:02 AM) spies8rondak: Where were you?
(3:09:13 AM) spies8owen: Had a health issue, sir.
(3:10:09 AM) spies8owen: I'm good to go now though, or that's what I'm telling myself so that I'm completely active.
(3:10:34 AM) spies8rondak: How was dictatorship?
(3:10:43 AM) spies8owen: Overwhelming.
(3:11:17 AM) spies8owen: Obviously trusted my intentions the most having the power, but I'm admittedly not much of a leader.
(3:12:00 AM) spies8rondak: weren't you scared of imprisonment?
(3:12:09 AM) spies8owen: Had 2 rounds of immunity.
(3:12:17 AM) spies8owen: Was protected by Gertrude after that.
(3:14:11 AM) spies8rondak: sounds like a sweet deal lol
(3:15:29 AM) spies8owen: Minus the stress of being looked upon to make big decisions & and protecting Gert/Chance and be secretive about it, it was.
(3:15:38 AM) spies8owen: being*
(3:17:22 AM) spies8rondak: so are you part of the masons?
(3:17:35 AM) spies8rondak: or were gert/chance the only ones?
(3:17:49 AM) spies8owen: I'm not a mason. Only Chance/Gert.
(3:21:16 AM) spies8rondak: I heard that Masons are normally recruited
(3:21:22 AM) spies8rondak: and if the leader dies, everybody dies
(3:21:27 AM) spies8rondak: but I guess it's not the case here
(3:21:38 AM) spies8owen: In epicmafia, if they try to recruit a mafia, they all die too.
(3:21:45 AM) spies8owen: But yeah, they weren't able to recruit.
(3:22:46 AM) spies8owen: Anyway good sir, what are your thoughts on Kiara saying Awo was roleless?
(3:24:46 AM) spies8owen: In the night, I hear em' talk, coldest story ever told. Somewhere far along this road he lost his role. To a woman so heartless
(3:24:47 AM) spies8owen: ?
(3:25:19 AM) spies8rondak: there are two possibilities
(3:25:26 AM) spies8rondak: either Awohali lied or Kiara lied
(3:25:33 AM) spies8owen: Truth.
(3:25:41 AM) spies8rondak: since Awohali would gain nothing by lying
(3:25:45 AM) spies8owen: Confirmed cit.
(3:25:49 AM) spies8owen: More likely to trust him.
(3:25:59 AM) spies8rondak: and he even adopted that attitude in the exhile
(3:26:08 AM) spies8owen: Kiara, on the other hand, would make a lot of sense to lie about it.
(3:26:15 AM) spies8owen: Considering the amount of "town" roles out there.
(3:26:21 AM) spies8owen: One less role being out there looks good for her.
(3:26:27 AM) spies8rondak: I'm also suspicious about Jenny
(3:26:36 AM) spies8rondak: I don't understand her nominating me
(3:26:50 AM) spies8rondak: she seems to be a little scared
(3:27:16 AM) spies8owen: I was on Jenny early, after Isaac flipped scum, not so much. Reason I originally suspected her was her playstyle -- she's experienced yet doesn't take stances or push anything.
(3:28:17 AM) spies8owen: I asked her if she's not scum, does she think any are nominated.
(3:28:26 AM) spies8owen: She mentioned you after that.
(3:30:26 AM) spies8rondak: I'm thinking she nommed me for self preservation
(3:31:55 AM) spies8owen: Seems likely. I have a hard time believing that Awo was lying.
(3:32:08 AM) spies8owen: Even as he was leaving the chat and the votes were for him to go, he stuck with it.
(3:33:14 AM) spies8owen: Don't think you have much to worry about though. I'm not one to naively assume that someone is DEFINITELY going to be lynched, but unless Jenny is a magician, don't see her getting out of this shit.
(3:33:51 AM) spies8rondak: she seems to be dismissing Awo's claims
(3:33:57 AM) spies8rondak: but nobody is buying it

[Owen]

(2:13:21 AM) spies8jenny: Hi Owen!
(2:13:31 AM) spies8jenny: Hope everything's well with what you had to leave for.
(2:13:37 AM) spies8owen: Hey Public Jennemy No. 1
(2:13:59 AM) spies8owen: It's improved, thanks for the concern.
(2:14:05 AM) spies8jenny: Well that's good.
(2:14:38 AM) spies8jenny: Not much new around here. Hali being an idiot, and people not taking into account that people make mistakes.
(2:15:21 AM) spies8owen: I'm having a hard time believing that Awo completely made all of that up. I'm not gonna bash you or attack you like others do, though.
(2:15:31 AM) spies8owen: He doesn't seem like a troll.
(2:16:21 AM) spies8jenny: I'd disagree about it not fitting his character though, he seemed to really change in personality during the week or so before he was exiled, which was part of why I was looking at him.
(2:16:44 AM) spies8jenny: And it's not like it'd be new to see a cit make up a role just to get thier suspect out.
(2:17:03 AM) spies8owen: He was getting a bit more aggressive, but I don't that that = being a troll of Yuri-like proportions. The guy even stuck to it as he was going out.
(2:18:05 AM) spies8jenny: Well you'll forgive me if I'd rather seen the groans of disapproval towards him after we've caught some actual spies, rathern then after this episode.
(2:18:07 AM) spies8jenny:
(2:18:13 AM) spies8jenny: rather see*
(2:19:15 AM) spies8owen: I just have a hard time not giving a confirmed citizen that didn't seem like a crazy troll the benefit of the doubt here.
(2:19:36 AM) spies8jenny: And if we didn't have Kitty's role around, I'd completely understand that as well.
(2:19:51 AM) spies8owen: And Kiara, it makes every bit of sense for her to lie. There are TOO many "town" roles out there.
(2:20:09 AM) spies8owen: Awo not having one would make her look bette.r
(2:20:15 AM) spies8jenny: Ok, but why on earth would she lie about Hali, while still saying she suspects me?
(2:20:27 AM) spies8jenny: It's not like she at first defended me after finding out, and then changed her mind.
(2:20:44 AM) spies8owen: She would still be able to vote you out, not look suspicious, and have people think there's one less town role (Awo's) out there.
(2:21:08 AM) spies8owen: This is assuming you're scum.
(2:21:21 AM) spies8jenny: I mean, at least on the bright side my getting exiled will get people to listen to me about who I think is a cit, but I'd much prefer we'd just get rid of a spy.
(2:21:39 AM) spies8owen: Do you think any of the other nominees are scum?
(2:22:08 AM) spies8jenny: Rondie I've been looking at after seeing something about the exile night, before Hali's claim.
(2:22:32 AM) spies8owen: I've still yet to talk 1 on 1 with new Rondak.
(2:22:54 AM) spies8jenny: Apparently, his top four suspects were myself, Lucky, Claude, and Gerty. Yet he was voting Hali.

That plus the fact that I have cit reads on all four of those people (two of which I can be sure of at this point), it seems like a good idea to me to look at him more.
(2:23:32 AM) spies8owen: I think you can be pretty sure about Chance as well. The Masons stuff is legit. I can't see Sam lying to either one of them.
(2:23:49 AM) spies8jenny: I agree, I'm just saying as far as confirmed people go.
(2:23:50 AM) spies8owen: There's people still doubting him and it's shocking.
(2:24:03 AM) spies8jenny: I know, Ricky seems adamant about it for heck if I know why.
(2:24:24 AM) spies8jenny: you should have seen when it first came out, it seemed like he was doing his darned best to misunderstand how the mason thing worked.
(2:24:32 AM) spies8owen: Sure, I do find it a bit odd that he suspects me of all of this after I've been hiding it and protecting them since round 3.
(2:24:34 AM) spies8owen: 4*
(2:24:45 AM) spies8owen: But that's Chance for you.
(2:25:01 AM) spies8jenny: I haven't gotten to ask much about it, who exactly was in this group?
(2:25:08 AM) spies8owen: In order.
(2:25:14 AM) spies8owen: Gert/Chance claimed to me.
(2:25:21 AM) spies8owen: I convinced them to claim to Cory.
(2:25:26 AM) spies8owen: Cory and I convinced them to claim to Tina.
(2:25:48 AM) spies8owen: Mary, Claude, Kiara all found out before it was outted offficially.
(2:26:04 AM) spies8jenny: I'd heard Ricky was in that group somewhere.
(2:26:08 AM) spies8owen: Negative.
(2:26:16 AM) spies8owen: Broderick was the one nagging us.
(2:26:25 AM) spies8owen: Claude had let him know there was stuff going on behind the scenes.
(2:26:43 AM) spies8jenny: Yeah, that sounds like Claude.
(2:26:58 AM) spies8jenny: I think he's a cit at this point, but man alive I want to bean him at times.
(2:27:10 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, I'm almost positive Claude is town.
(2:27:37 AM) spies8jenny: I know Lucky's thoughts (and apparently Gerty's?) was that there was a Mole in your group.
(2:27:44 AM) spies8owen: Broderick and I... have... gotten along the past couple of days.
(2:27:46 AM) spies8owen: It's a miracle.
(2:28:15 AM) spies8owen: I don't know which one of us tried changing our attitude, but we've actually been communicating.
(2:28:40 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, seems that way.
(2:28:52 AM) spies8owen: Chance thinks it's me after 4 rounds of holding it in. >_>
(2:29:10 AM) spies8owen: Frustrating, considering that's what's been stressing me out.
(2:29:19 AM) spies8owen: That + being dictator.
(2:29:30 AM) spies8jenny: Ricky to me seems like he's jumping onto bad arguments. Did so with Hali a few episodes ago when Hali was questioning me about my vote on Kitty, and when Claude was going on about some bad idea that I don't remember offhand after the last imprisonment.
(2:30:34 AM) spies8owen: He's been pretty logical when we've talked lately, but yeah, I've seen him do stuff like that.
(2:31:07 AM) spies8jenny: I assume you got to see about Dane getting his vote back.
(2:31:26 AM) spies8owen: Mmhmm, unfortunately.
(2:31:42 AM) spies8jenny: Not so much from my point of view, considering he's my second highest cit read.
(2:31:50 AM) spies8jenny: which is why I put 98 of my points on him.
(2:32:11 AM) spies8owen: Are you your own highest town read?
(2:32:18 AM) spies8jenny: I wasn't counting myself.
(2:32:19 AM) spies8owen: I just don't see him doing much still.
(2:32:27 AM) spies8jenny: I have you as my highest.
(2:32:34 AM) spies8jenny: He's literally right below you on my star wars board.
(2:33:17 AM) spies8owen: Damn you and your being logical. You must know that Gert's death points directly at me!
(2:33:49 AM) spies8owen: As does Cory, someone that I wanted to stay above me, and was considering asking for a replacement after he went.
(2:33:56 AM) spies8owen: As does Tina, who I was working with since day 1.
(2:33:59 AM) spies8owen: Hooray for logic!
(2:34:01 AM) spies8owen: /rant
(2:34:11 AM) spies8jenny: Oh yeah, there's been plenty of that lately.
(2:35:21 AM) spies8jenny: But yeah, I don't get why people are so surprised with me on it. I figured I wasn't going to get my vote back, and even if I did I'm more then likely to get killed this round anyways, so I might as well dump as many points as I can into my best cit read in the group.
(2:35:30 AM) spies8jenny: It being the whole love points thing.
(2:35:55 AM) spies8owen: I wasn't surprised that you did it. You've always defended Dane to me.
(2:36:15 AM) spies8jenny: So of course everyone's first reaction is OH NOES DANE IS A SPY TOO LOL LOL LOL LOL
(2:36:25 AM) spies8jenny: *sigh*
(2:36:53 AM) spies8owen: Well, I was thinking that before he got his vote back.
(2:37:02 AM) spies8jenny: Yeah that's it exactly. I, as a spy, blatently put up a fellow spy for the senate, just to get him a vote.
(2:37:11 AM) spies8jenny: Clearly.
(2:38:20 AM) spies8jenny: I'm still having fun with this whole thing believe it or not. I literally cannot remember the last time I've been wrongly suspected. Usually I'm considered an obvious cit and killed early in the game. Bit of a change of pace this time around.
(2:40:46 AM) spies8owen: That's a good attitude to have -- I wish I wasn't in the dumps a lot of the time during this game, but I think it's been clear by the amount of complaining/venting I've done to you that I haven't been having much fun lately.
(2:41:19 AM) spies8owen: Not (j)envious of your position at all right now.
(2:41:26 AM) spies8jenny: I don't know what people's problem this season is, it seems like half the game is constantly complaining about something or another and wishing they weren't in it.
(2:41:47 AM) spies8jenny: Get the heck over it already, and just play the game.
(2:41:50 AM) spies8owen: For me, it's been a combo of things.
(2:42:36 AM) spies8owen: 1) The lack of characters in the game. It seems like everything is a fight, the fun aspect is missing. 2) Everyone that I put trust into ends up dead, leaving me here to stress out alone.
(2:42:44 AM) spies8owen: And lastly, my health.
(2:42:55 AM) spies8jenny: Yeah that last part is certainly a good reason.
(2:43:02 AM) spies8jenny: I've been there before, never fun trying to play mafia while sick.
(2:44:16 AM) spies8owen: I've already said it to enough people to get my ass accusation voted out, so another shouldn't hurt -- I'm diabetic, stress for long periods of time throws my blood sugars out of whack.
(2:44:50 AM) spies8jenny: Don't worry, I wasn't kidding when I said I hadn't played spies before. I'm not going to remember who the diabetic is.
(2:45:00 AM) spies8owen: I know you haven't.
(2:45:22 AM) spies8owen: I know your kind, Jenny.
(2:45:35 AM) spies8jenny: Got a relative that's diabetic, so I know how much of a pain that can be.
(2:46:36 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, it's a pain in the ass. Even more stressful is when you're taking care of yourself, taking your shots, eating somewhat healthy, and your blood sugars are sky high just because I'm a nervous wreck.
(2:46:59 AM) spies8owen: Good times brought to you by Spies 8.
(2:47:02 AM) spies8jenny: Do what I do. Find some awesome music to get it out with.
(2:47:54 AM) spies8owen: Music is a great stress reliever. Truth.
(2:48:25 AM) spies8jenny: www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0uV8x6pC6o

Here you go for example.
(2:48:31 AM) spies8owen: My break has been good for me though, I needed a few days to just step away from it all. My sugars have been normalish since then *knocks on wood*
(2:49:00 AM) spies8owen: Jennyni
(2:49:02 AM) spies8owen: Conspiracy!
(2:49:04 AM) spies8owen: You and Nita.
(2:49:15 AM) spies8jenny: Yeah, I didn't even notice that until about 2 episodes ago.
(2:49:19 AM) spies8jenny: It was rather funny when I did.
(2:49:20 AM) spies8jenny:
(2:49:23 AM) spies8owen: 3rd Party, omgaw.
(2:51:03 AM) spies8jenny: Had this one on repeat for about half an hour or so after Savanny got exiled.
(2:52:06 AM) spies8owen: I had the voices in my head on repeat for about a half an hour after I saw Cory was imprisoned and not me.
(2:52:54 AM) spies8jenny: Course, this one is the one I got going right now for this round.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTsD2FjmLsw
(2:54:50 AM) spies8owen: You love your gaming/movie themes, dont you?
(2:55:01 AM) spies8owen: I just realized what this game is missing.
(2:55:12 AM) spies8owen: Ninja/pirate/zombie/nerd/plant week
(2:55:20 AM) spies8jenny:
(2:55:46 AM) spies8jenny: And yes, pretty much anything with drums horns and a latin choir tends to rank fairly high with me.
(2:58:19 AM) spies8jenny: Which is why I have jennyni as one of my main youtube subscriptions.
(2:58:21 AM) spies8jenny:
(2:58:53 AM) spies8jenny: Anyways, Gerty getting imprisoned ticked me off a bit, since I was hoping to be able to work with her this round.
(2:59:35 AM) spies8owen: I'm sorry I killed her.
(2:59:36 AM) spies8owen:
(2:59:41 AM) spies8jenny: Smart alec.
(3:00:00 AM) spies8owen: When I IMed Chance about it and explaining that I'm 99% sure that it's someone that's a great friend of mine outside of the game, he accused me of killing her.
(3:00:05 AM) spies8owen: And I called him an idiot. Oops.
(3:00:15 AM) spies8jenny: Yeah probably wasn't the best way to go about it.
(3:00:23 AM) spies8owen: Didn't like him accusing me of it.
(3:00:25 AM) spies8owen: When it doesn't make sense.
(3:00:44 AM) spies8owen: I've protected them for a while, we've worked together closely.
(3:01:02 AM) spies8owen: Though, I never talked to Chance as much as I did Gert.
(3:02:16 AM) spies8jenny: Surprised I wasn't part of the town watch this game. Kind of stinks too, I love working in that sort of group.
(3:03:08 AM) spies8owen: I enjoyed it at times, at other times I felt like a spy.
(3:03:28 AM) spies8owen: With how sneaky I had to be and had to defend Chance without solid reasoning.
(3:04:04 AM) spies8jenny: My reasoning with him is that I haven't seen him do anything that seems like a spy move since going on the democrat team.
(3:05:10 AM) spies8owen: I tried to outline Claude's case on him and argue his points.
(3:05:14 AM) spies8owen: Couldn't even do that.
(3:05:35 AM) spies8owen: Chance does a lot of questionable things that I don't understand.
(3:06:14 AM) spies8jenny: By the way, Rondie is on if you want to talk to him.
(3:06:20 AM) spies8jenny: In case you haven't yet.
(3:08:04 AM) spies8owen: Oh crap, I didn't even notice.
(3:08:23 AM) spies8jenny: Well there you go.
(3:12:39 AM) spies8jenny: By the way, something I've noticed the other day.
(3:13:02 AM) spies8jenny: Noticed this before Gerty was killed, but with the exception of her, not a single town role has been imprisoned.
(3:13:23 AM) spies8owen: I think Claude has been kept around because he's keeping the focus on Chance.
(3:13:32 AM) spies8jenny: Savanny was exiled, Al was a pansy, and the rest were still here.
(3:13:32 AM) spies8owen: Allan... well, he was a bit naive.
(3:13:41 AM) spies8owen: And yes, a pansy.
(3:13:53 AM) spies8owen: I don't appreciate him saying that he didn't have ANY fun or enjoy any of it.
(3:14:02 AM) spies8owen: He and I had been talking a lot more recently.
(3:14:33 AM) spies8jenny: Oh trust me, I want to beat the crap out of him at some point. Yeah, great, glad you appreciate trying to keep you alive back in episode 2, even though you drove me nuts and I liked Savanny and Themby a lot more.
(3:16:37 AM) spies8owen: I was shocked when he took it at first, but a minute later I was like "well, he quit round 1 for free."
(3:16:41 AM) spies8jenny: It's a good thing he got movies with that money, that's all he's going to be able to do after I figure out how to get a sniper to shoot his legs out.
(3:16:55 AM) spies8owen: LOL
(3:18:17 AM) spies8jenny: Also, can I say that I find it funny that Hammy has been accusing me of often going back onto Zeddy who turned out to be a cit?
(3:18:32 AM) spies8jenny: Just saying.
(3:20:32 AM) spies8jenny: If I do get exiled, make sure you at least prod him about him doing the same to a worse degree. I'm not sure if he's a spy or not, but at the very least I'd love to see that happen. :
(3:20:33 AM) spies8jenny:
(3:20:48 AM) spies8owen: Hammy went back and forth on Zed?
(3:21:06 AM) spies8jenny: Not for a while, but he's done the same thing with me I mean.
(3:21:12 AM) spies8owen: Gotcha.
(3:21:16 AM) spies8jenny: except not really looking at others as far as I can tell.
(3:21:54 AM) spies8jenny: Which is why when I saw him try to make a point out of me suspecting zeddy most of the game, I started headdesking.
(3:22:27 AM) spies8jenny: Which was really more headlaptopping, but that's getting into semantics.
(3:23:08 AM) spies8jenny: "OH LOOK, JENNY IS ANTI SEMANTICS. SHE HATES JEWS, THUS SHE'S A SPY."


(3:23:15 AM) spies8owen: I haven't really seen Hammy have suspects other than you/Allan, so yeah, you're right.
(3:23:24 AM) spies8owen: Oh, and me.
(3:23:26 AM) spies8owen: Mr. Gut
(3:26:41 AM) spies8jenny: Anyways, where are your thoughts on things right now?
(3:29:10 AM) spies8owen: Still having a hard time believing Awo is lying about everything.
(3:30:21 AM) spies8jenny: By the way, you have any idea why Kitty thought it was needed to lie to me about who she was going to check?
(3:30:47 AM) spies8jenny: Told me she was going to check cory when I asked, which seemed weird. Started trying to convince her to check Hali instead.
(3:31:07 AM) spies8owen: No idea. Kinda pointless to lie about.
(3:31:17 AM) spies8jenny: Yeah, dunno why she thought it'd be needed.
(3:32:31 AM) spies8jenny: [18:46] spies8jenny: Safe to assume you're checking Hali tonight?
[18:48] spies8kiara: im debating. honestly its hard to think that hed be lying. trolling doesnt really seem his style. im a bit more interested to see if cory had anything. and im only getting one use this round.
(3:33:10 AM) spies8jenny: [18:52] spies8jenny: Really? Thought for sure you'd be checking him.

I was talking to someone else about it earlier, I don't really believe he had that role at all. Having more roles in the game seems wrong to begin with, not to mention the fact that I'm obviously sure his investigation is wrong.
(3:33:21 AM) spies8jenny: And I'll stop there, since that's probably getting close to the IM rule thing.
(3:34:03 AM) spies8owen: That could be because Cory did have a role.
(3:34:09 AM) spies8jenny: ....
(3:34:14 AM) spies8jenny: Seriously?
(3:34:30 AM) spies8owen: Yes.
(3:34:31 AM) spies8jenny: Oh please tell me he wasn't the doctor.
(3:34:35 AM) spies8owen: Yes.
(3:34:41 AM) spies8owen: He was.
(3:34:48 AM) spies8owen: Thus why he and I were so close.
(3:34:58 AM) spies8jenny: ...
(3:35:02 AM) spies8jenny: he protected you night 1?
(3:35:10 AM) spies8owen: Not me.
(3:35:25 AM) spies8owen: Other guesses?
(3:35:42 AM) spies8jenny: Well I don't think it's Ni-Ni, since that never came up in our talks.
(3:35:47 AM) spies8owen: Correct, it wasn't.
(3:36:02 AM) spies8jenny: Other then that, not really sure.
(3:36:05 AM) spies8owen: Gabe.
(3:36:13 AM) spies8jenny: Figures.
(3:36:15 AM) spies8owen: He got lucky. Though, you should know this if you're a spy.
(3:36:36 AM) spies8jenny: Well that would explain why he was the hit the following round.
(3:36:48 AM) spies8owen: Yep, no more saving powers.
(3:36:58 AM) spies8jenny: It was a one time doctor thing too?
(3:36:59 AM) spies8owen: I held that in since round 4 too.
(3:37:04 AM) spies8jenny: Oh wonderful.
(3:37:08 AM) spies8owen: I am the role whisperer.
(3:37:21 AM) spies8jenny: And Hammy thinks I get all the claims
(3:37:22 AM) spies8owen: No, that's not a role in itself.
(3:37:37 AM) spies8owen: Fortunately. TOO MANY ROLES.
(3:37:49 AM) spies8owen: I've gotten uhh..
(3:37:58 AM) spies8owen: Doctor, Masons, Angel, Devil, Kiara.
(3:38:12 AM) spies8owen: Nobody understands my stress. Heh.
(3:39:00 AM) spies8jenny: Pff, that sounds like a blast.
(3:39:09 AM) spies8jenny: And that was not meant with sarcasm in it.
(3:39:22 AM) spies8owen: I've never had anyone claim a role to me before.
(3:39:24 AM) spies8owen: LOL.
(3:39:33 AM) spies8owen: Like 1 on 1.
(3:39:44 AM) spies8jenny: I'm used to it happenening to me personally. For whatever reason, I tend to get at least one.
(3:39:59 AM) spies8jenny: Usually am able to get groups like the one you had going from there.
(3:40:00 AM) spies8owen: Dictator, roleclaims. Pressssssure.
(3:40:11 AM) spies8jenny: Which I was hoping would happen with Al, but nothing ever came from that.
(3:41:23 AM) spies8owen: Unfortunately I didn't really trust a few of the people that were told.
(3:41:50 AM) spies8owen: But that was more towards the end.
(3:42:02 AM) spies8owen: Chance/I are the only ones alive from it.
(3:42:13 AM) spies8owen: The original one.
(3:42:17 AM) spies8owen:
(3:42:25 AM) spies8jenny: Wish our places were switched early in the game then, I'd have loved to have been in that situation.
(3:42:53 AM) spies8owen: I loved it until Tina died.
(3:43:10 AM) spies8jenny: Yeah that kind of thing is bound to happen.
(3:43:11 AM) spies8owen: We actually fought each other to for the OTHER to take Gert's immunity that round.
(3:43:58 AM) spies8jenny: What's really fun is getting a ventrilo server set up for that sort of group.

Less so here I guess with the whole alias thing, but still.
(3:44:28 AM) spies8owen: "If it's not me, it's you" sorta thing.

[Owen]

(4:08:41 AM) spies8jenny: What is it lately with the dumb people getting the roles/
(4:08:52 AM) spies8jenny: in spies I mean.
(4:08:55 AM) spies8owen: I was a bit disappointed with the roleholders.
(4:09:02 AM) spies8jenny: Especially Al.
(4:09:06 AM) spies8owen: I think Gert is A LOT smarter than she was letting on.
(4:09:11 AM) spies8owen: She was bandwagoning not to be imprisoned.
(4:09:28 AM) spies8owen: Chance, meh.
(4:09:37 AM) spies8owen: Honestly, guy is all over the place.
(4:09:43 AM) spies8jenny: I still have the rotten luck of just about everyone I was sure on being a cit getting killed off.
(4:09:57 AM) spies8owen: I was a bit offended that he just jumped out there and said he'd like to lynch me just because Gertrude died.
(4:10:08 AM) spies8owen: When I've been sticking up for him.
(4:10:41 AM) spies8owen: I was sure on everyone that's been imprisoned so far.
(4:11:01 AM) spies8owen: And from what I know, they were equally as sure on me.
(4:11:25 AM) spies8owen: Was wrong about Nita though, oops.
(4:11:31 AM) spies8owen: But again, Nita was playing for the town.
(4:11:34 AM) spies8owen: Don't care what people say.
(4:11:53 AM) spies8owen: She had scum tasks, yes, but she is the type of player that wants the town to win.
(4:12:58 AM) spies8jenny: And I still want to smack people that say I should have outed her, when there was no good that would have come from it.
(4:13:18 AM) spies8owen: Spies took care of that. Don't see why people bitch about it.
(4:13:34 AM) spies8jenny: Exactly.
(4:13:43 AM) spies8owen: She would have used a lynch on her if it was outted.
(4:13:45 AM) spies8owen: We*
(4:13:52 AM) spies8owen: Well, I probably wouldn't have.
(4:13:58 AM) spies8jenny: And last I looked, it doesn't say spy next to her name.
(4:14:12 AM) spies8owen: She was still helping look for spies.
(4:14:25 AM) spies8jenny: And did more for the town then a lot of actual cits have done.
(4:14:31 AM) spies8owen: Yep.
(4:19:24 AM) spies8jenny: Well we still got the weekend to smack people upside the head.
(4:20:23 AM) spies8jenny: Out of the group we got for nominations, there's really only one person I don't have a cit read on right now.
(4:22:04 AM) spies8owen: Ronnie?
(4:24:03 AM) spies8jenny: Obviously, since he's the one I nominated.
(4:24:41 AM) spies8jenny: And if he's a cit too, well screw me.
(4:24:53 AM) spies8owen: Talked a bit tonight, no read on him either way.
(4:25:29 AM) spies8jenny: Anything interesting in the chat?
(4:25:51 AM) spies8jenny: Or just a bunch of "Hello at last"?
(4:27:58 AM) spies8owen: We talked about masons, Awo role/Kiara.
(4:28:57 AM) spies8jenny: What'd he think on it? Probably should have talked with him myself, but I've been talking with a friend of mine tonight that apparently just got laid off, so I've been a little distracted.
(4:29:24 AM) spies8owen: He said Awo wouldn't have much to gain by lying.
(4:29:49 AM) spies8owen: And he wasn't sure as to why you nommed him.
(4:30:38 AM) spies8jenny: That makes sense, hadn't really seen him much that episode personally. Didn't help that it was a really short episode.
(4:31:32 AM) spies8owen: What were your reasons?
(4:34:30 AM) spies8jenny: Part of it was pushing for Lucky over Maggie the round she was finally exiled, part of it was his personality seeming to change during the previous episode, which I've seen point to a spy tell often enough to push at it a bit.
(4:35:32 AM) spies8jenny: After I finally got on exile night and found out about that claim he made, I thought I'd actually managed to find something, and that we'd be in good shape for the night. Threw me for a loop completely when he turned up cit after that.
(4:41:51 AM) spies8jenny: I don't get why people think him lying about his role implies he had to be trolling.
(4:43:09 AM) spies8owen: For me, it's that even after he was voted out, he stuck to it. I just don't think he would screw us over that badly.
(4:44:39 AM) spies8jenny: I doubt he was doing it for kicks. I've seen it come up before. Person A is sure Person B is mafia, but nobody is listening. Person A makes up a role to force the issue. Person B gets lynched, and Person A turns out to be one lucky bugger, or just a fool.
(4:44:53 AM) spies8jenny: Especially considering he was on the block at the time from how I understand it.
(4:48:27 AM) spies8jenny: I don't think he did it because he suddenly went "I say, I have a sudden inclination to be magnanimously unhelpful to the great state of the burg. I believe I shall invent a wonderous story, and have a jolly good time watching everyone go with it!"
(4:50:59 AM) spies8owen: I completely hear what you're saying. I, myself, just don't feel like he was reckless. Aggressive, sure. Reckless to the point where he could cause a mislynch and then probably get himself lynched next if he was wrong? I just don't see it.
(4:51:42 AM) spies8jenny: Being up on the exile block has been known to fluster people.
(4:51:54 AM) spies8owen: Same could be said for Kiara.
(4:54:22 AM) spies8jenny: Just because I'm having fun with the novelty of actually being suspected, doesn't mean it happens with everyone else.

And I guess so, but Kitty's has at least seemed to fit to me. That, plus I don't see it making sense for her as a spy to come out and say Hali wasn't a role, but then not try to defend me.
(4:55:39 AM) spies8owen: Like I said, too many "town" roles out there.
(4:55:44 AM) spies8owen: One less makes hers look legitimate.
(4:55:46 AM) spies8owen: It makes complete sense.
(4:56:40 AM) spies8jenny: ... could you try restating that? I'm not sure what you meant with that.
(4:56:53 AM) spies8owen: A lot of people have said that there are too many town roles out there.
(4:57:43 AM) spies8owen: If Awohali's isn't real like she says, people would be less wary of there being too many town roles.
(4:58:24 AM) spies8owen: 1. Allan 2. Claude 3. Gertrude 4. Chance 5. Gertrude/Chance 6. Cory 7. Savannah 8. Kiara. 9 Awohali.
(4:58:30 AM) spies8jenny: Ok I see what you mean now.
(4:59:33 AM) spies8owen: Also, to my knowledge, no messages have been sent out since Magalie died.
(4:59:51 AM) spies8owen: And Kiara says she was roleless. Odd.
(4:59:58 AM) spies8jenny: I still say the spy messenger finally wisened up, and stopped trying to pretend to be Savanny.
(5:00:17 AM) spies8owen: Sure as hell hope they did after I responded to their message with a cryptic message.
(5:00:17 AM) spies8jenny: Also, since we're not pretending anymore about mmg.
(5:00:22 AM) spies8owen: That ended up spelling "idiot spies."
(5:00:25 AM) spies8jenny: I remember they also had limited amounts of paper then.
(5:00:36 AM) spies8jenny: And the last time a messenger was in spies, they had to earn their messages as well.
(5:00:45 AM) spies8jenny: Possible they simply ran out.
(5:00:52 AM) spies8owen: Very true.
(5:01:19 AM) spies8owen: She sure had a lot of posts for a spy that wasn't active though. Most spy stuff happens in HQ.
(5:01:56 AM) spies8jenny: She also would have needed to make a new topic for those messages.
(5:02:17 AM) spies8jenny: Unless you're not telling me something about Lily and Tini, I'm seeing Maggie's match the same amount of topics they had.
(5:02:29 AM) spies8owen: Both were roleless.
(5:03:04 AM) spies8owen: How do we know she couldn't post all in one thread?
(5:03:35 AM) spies8jenny: I'm trying to remember the game I saw the messenger in, in the past games.
(5:03:51 AM) spies8jenny: I'm pretty sure they had to make seperate topics then, but I could double check.
(5:04:19 AM) spies8jenny: Here we go, spies 5
(5:04:46 AM) spies8jenny: If at any point you wish to send messages, please start a new topic called "Episode 1 Messages" and post the messages there. Recall the 100 word restriction. I will send them at my earliest convenience. Please keep your own paper tally of how much you have left.
(5:04:55 AM) spies8jenny: That was in Leticia's role thread.
(5:05:11 AM) spies8owen: Word limit seems a lot shorter this season.
(5:05:21 AM) spies8owen: Unless they were BSing.
(5:05:31 AM) spies8owen: "Sorry running out of words" or something like that.
(5:06:06 AM) spies8jenny: Point is, he had them make new topics then, likely for organizational reasons (episodes and all at the end). I'd think he'd keep it the same when reusing a role.
(5:06:21 AM) spies8jenny: Even if the specifics of how the actual role works are different.
(5:08:10 AM) spies8owen: Good point.
(5:09:37 AM) spies8jenny: There's also what I was saying before about the number of spy roles.
(5:10:03 AM) spies8owen: Less since there's bribes?
(5:10:08 AM) spies8jenny: 4 out of 7 spies having one seems pushing it to me, especially when last game had 2 out of 7 original spies with roles, and then 3 out of 8 after Andreas.
(5:10:29 AM) spies8owen: I'd think there's less spy roles because of bribes.
(5:10:55 AM) spies8jenny: We did almost have another spy role if you recall with Spice's bribe.
(5:10:59 AM) spies8owen: I'm not entirely sure Kiara's role is real at all. It's unconfirmable.
(5:11:29 AM) spies8owen: Wasn't it just a 1 round role block?
(5:11:36 AM) spies8jenny: No, permanent.
(5:11:38 AM) spies8owen: Oh, wow
(5:11:54 AM) spies8jenny: Let me go find it again quick.
(5:13:10 AM) spies8jenny: Cinnamyn was offered $10.00 USD to allow the Spies to have a roleblocker role. The Spies would choose one player to receive this role. Before each Imprisonment, they would choose one player to roleblock. That person would not get to use that role for that Episode.

(5:13:33 AM) spies8jenny: "Before each imprisonment" alone tells us it was a permanent thing.
(5:14:03 AM) spies8owen: Thought it was only one round. Didn't think he'd give something that big out.
(5:14:11 AM) spies8jenny: for 10 bucks
(5:14:25 AM) spies8owen: Give me 40+ and I'll think about it.
(5:14:38 AM) spies8jenny: having Kitty as a spy role as well on top of it would make a theoretical total of 5 out of 7 spies having roles.
(5:15:09 AM) spies8jenny: That's a bit ridiculous.
(5:15:13 AM) spies8owen: How is that?
(5:15:22 AM) spies8owen: Alexei, Isaac, Messenger, Kiara would be 4
(5:15:28 AM) spies8owen: Are you talking about if the bribe was accepted?
(5:15:37 AM) spies8jenny: Spy Messenger, Foresight, Cover up, plus the theoretical roleblocker.
(5:15:43 AM) spies8owen: Ahh, k.
(5:15:56 AM) spies8jenny: would be 4, and then Kitty's with it would be 5.
(5:15:58 AM) spies8owen: If Kiara is a spy, I would lean towards her not having a role at all.
(5:16:05 AM) spies8owen: And using that as a last ditch effort to save her ass.
(5:17:05 AM) spies8jenny: That much I'd be willing to agree with, but that's still quite the risk to take. Anybody catches you out on it once and you're dead.
(5:17:18 AM) spies8owen: She was dead otherwise.
(5:17:24 AM) spies8owen: The votes were there.
(5:17:52 AM) spies8jenny: Fair enough.
(5:18:05 AM) spies8owen: And she didn't give us much time to think about it.
(5:18:33 AM) spies8owen: It's worrysome. I probably wouldn't have switched my vote off of her had I had more time to think it over.
(5:18:39 AM) spies8owen: I had stronger reasons on her than Zed.
(5:18:45 AM) spies8owen: And was starting to lean town on Zed.
(5:18:54 AM) spies8jenny: The part of the role that has me fairly sure on it is the bit about guessing alignments for extra checks.
(5:19:27 AM) spies8jenny: Seems a bit much to make up as a fake role, when she could just say she gets a check every round, or two checks every round one or the other, and get the same result.
(5:20:15 AM) spies8owen: It's a bit much, but at the same time, you'd want to make something up that seems elaborate.
(5:20:23 AM) spies8owen: Sam makes up odd roles.
(5:20:27 AM) spies8owen: Dick Tracy. *shivers*
(5:20:35 AM) spies8jenny:
(5:20:52 AM) spies8owen: I felt like such an idiot after I found out it was legit
(5:21:06 AM) spies8owen: Though, the entire game being wrong about it makes me feel better.
(5:21:19 AM) spies8jenny: And half the viewer's lounge.
(5:21:38 AM) spies8owen: I think some of the spies even doubted it for a while.
(5:21:53 AM) spies8owen: Whooooops.
(5:21:59 AM) spies8jenny: Fun times.
(5:22:23 AM) spies8owen: Random change of subject for a second: WE NEED A MASQUERADE BALL OR COSTUME WEEK.
(5:22:35 AM) spies8jenny: Probably a little late for that.
(5:22:39 AM) spies8owen: Costume weekend*
(5:22:47 AM) spies8jenny: There has been a lot less activities this game, you notice?
(5:22:51 AM) spies8owen: Yeah. :/
(5:22:55 AM) spies8jenny: And not even a cast video.
(5:22:57 AM) spies8jenny:
(5:22:58 AM) spies8owen: I miss those fun activities.
(5:23:05 AM) spies8owen: All we got this time was mean critiques
(5:23:11 AM) spies8owen: That I think the spies used to make citizens look bad.
(5:23:12 AM) spies8jenny: And that unicorn.
(5:23:18 AM) spies8owen: I loved the unicorn.
(5:23:19 AM) spies8owen: That was fun.
(5:23:25 AM) spies8jenny: How could you forget the unicorn?
(5:23:27 AM) spies8owen: Our team actually worked so well together.
(5:23:30 AM) spies8jenny: It was the unicorn of dictatorship
(5:23:44 AM) spies8owen: Hahaha, that unicorn did well for me.
(5:24:01 AM) spies8jenny: I could have done the whole thing on my own in the time it took our team to do that.
(5:24:01 AM) spies8owen: Though, looking back now, Tina having it would have been awesome too.
(5:24:05 AM) spies8owen: Wouldn't have felt so pressured.
(5:24:11 AM) spies8owen: And she would have made the same decisions.
(5:24:31 AM) spies8jenny: That stupid map killed me though.
(5:24:36 AM) spies8owen: Oh god.
(5:24:41 AM) spies8owen: The coordinates.
(5:24:42 AM) spies8jenny: Found about 3 or 4 of the items in about 5 minutes.
(5:24:43 AM) spies8owen: Were so difficult.
(5:24:48 AM) spies8jenny: It took half an hour to tell people where it was.
(5:25:05 AM) spies8owen: It would help if you didn't have to scroll across an entire page.
(5:25:06 AM) spies8jenny: Mostly because I didn't understand the system we had for coordinates at all.
(5:25:08 AM) spies8owen: To find the coordinates.
(5:25:35 AM) spies8jenny: IT'S RIGHT AT THE BOTTOM LEFT OF THE MAP. NEXT TO THE WALL OF TEXT BY THE RULER. WHAT IS HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?
(5:25:47 AM) spies8owen: SORRY, NEED NUMBERS
(5:25:57 AM) spies8jenny: No that was directed at my team.
(5:26:05 AM) spies8owen: I know, I was acting as your team.
(5:26:17 AM) spies8owen: Stupid coordinates.
(5:26:26 AM) spies8jenny: That's really what killed us.
(5:26:48 AM) spies8owen: Did any of you use reverse image search for the flag challenge?
(5:26:50 AM) spies8jenny: Would likely have had Maggie dead sooner, and Themby still around longer if we won too.
(5:26:57 AM) spies8jenny: Oh yeah, Spice found that for us.
(5:27:17 AM) spies8jenny: Had a few that didn't want to register in it though.
(5:27:18 AM) spies8owen: I didn't tell anyone I was using it, I wanted to look smart.
(5:27:18 AM) spies8owen:
(5:27:28 AM) spies8owen: Plus we were doing well without it.
(5:27:35 AM) spies8owen: I'm pretty sure Dane was using it too.
(5:27:42 AM) spies8owen: We found all the weird ones.
(5:27:47 AM) spies8owen: And everyone was like "omg wtg!"
(5:28:12 AM) spies8owen: We're so smart.
(5:28:27 AM) spies8jenny:
(5:28:57 AM) spies8owen: I liked that challenge as a whole.
(5:29:12 AM) spies8owen: Otherwise, activities haven't been fun.
(5:29:26 AM) spies8owen: Ohh, let's tell other people AIM etiquette!
(5:29:28 AM) spies8jenny: most of them this time around have had to do with the votes, which is probably part of it.
(5:29:40 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, government.
(5:29:48 AM) spies8owen: Hooray for flavors.
(5:30:28 AM) spies8owen: I really am not enjoying the senate twist anymore. I loved it as first and thought it was a unique idea, but it's dragged out too long.
(5:30:33 AM) spies8jenny: Dunno why, especially since Sammy was saying this one was worked on for longer then 7's was, but some parts of this game seem less polished then normal.
(5:30:55 AM) spies8jenny: I don't mind the senate twist at all really, I've done games with this kind of voting before so I felt at home with it.
(5:31:09 AM) spies8owen: I feel like I'm playing whacked out Big Brother.
(5:31:33 AM) spies8jenny: That's only because of how Sammy words the announcements.
(5:31:43 AM) spies8jenny: Which is likely because of him being into BBUK12 right now
(5:31:57 AM) spies8owen: Mmhmm, he definitely was motivated by BBUK.
(5:32:23 AM) spies8owen: I wanted my big power to be a ressurection.
(5:32:40 AM) spies8jenny: But like I said, I've seen this sort of mafia voting before, which is why I was more comfortable with it. Knew what kind of things to expect, and a better idea of how to work with it.
(5:32:47 AM) spies8owen: Bring back my lil' Gabe for a few rounds with imprisonment immunity.
(5:33:39 AM) spies8jenny: Which is why I dropped off of Stephi-kins for a while after Isaac's exile.
(5:33:57 AM) spies8owen: Steph/Gabe were pretty close.
(5:33:59 AM) spies8jenny: I know from those to watch out for spies trying to sneak in their choice in the 3rd place spot, and that's what it had looked like to me.
(5:34:26 AM) spies8owen: They must have been majorly disconnected from me.
(5:34:29 AM) spies8owen: If they thought I'd vote Steph.
(5:34:34 AM) spies8jenny: Of course, she ended up going back up my radar eventually anyways, but that's why I wasn't on her for a while after that.
(5:39:02 AM) spies8owen: I think I'm gonna get some rest. Headache coming on.
(5:39:02 AM) spies8owen: I think I'm gonna get some rest. Headache coming on.
(5:39:29 AM) spies8jenny: Alrighty. Talk with you more tomorrow?
(5:39:35 AM) spies8jenny: Today? Whatever it is now.
(5:39:43 AM) spies8owen: I shall be on. Probably late, as usual. :/
(5:39:55 AM) spies8jenny: Alrighty. Have fun!
(5:40:03 AM) spies8owen: G'night! Or morning.
(5:40:09 AM) spies8jenny: Close enough.
(5:40:10 AM) spies8jenny:

[Owen]

(2:54:17 AM) spies8owen: Hey sir.
(2:54:36 AM) spies8claude: Howdy
(2:54:42 AM) spies8owen: How's it going?
(2:54:49 AM) spies8claude: Alright; yourself?
(2:55:11 AM) spies8owen: Alright, other than having the sleep schedule of someone in another country.
(2:55:19 AM) spies8claude: Same :-(
(2:55:23 AM) spies8claude: And I hate it.
(2:55:38 AM) spies8owen: Same -- I've been trying to switch it up but have been failing.
(2:55:45 AM) spies8claude: Same.
(2:55:51 AM) spies8claude: Much to the chagrin of my wife.
(2:56:24 AM) spies8owen: Much to the chagrin of my... mom.
(2:56:34 AM) spies8claude: Hmmm
(2:56:34 AM) spies8owen: I just woke up like a half an hour ago.
(2:56:36 AM) spies8claude: Not sure which is worse.
(2:57:35 AM) spies8owen: I'd go with wife. She has control of your sex life.
(2:57:48 AM) spies8claude: We've been married awhile.
(2:57:56 AM) spies8claude: There's not really much of a 'sex life' now
(2:58:16 AM) spies8owen: Ahh, the perks of marriage.
(2:58:23 AM) spies8claude: heh
(2:58:24 AM) spies8owen: Can't wait!
(2:58:29 AM) spies8claude: Women seem to get bored of sex
(2:58:35 AM) spies8claude: And seem to think that men do also
(2:58:59 AM) spies8owen: That's unfortunate.
(2:59:12 AM) spies8claude: yeah.
(2:59:29 AM) spies8owen: Not like I'm getting any. Thus why I'm waking up at 2AM and getting on my Spies SN.
(2:59:30 AM) spies8claude: When you try to tell them otherwise they just seem to think that you're joking or something, I dunno. It's confusing.
(3:01:00 AM) spies8owen: Isn't helping me much game-wise either, by the time I've been getting up almost everyone is offline.
(3:01:13 AM) spies8claude: yeah
(3:01:18 AM) spies8claude: You definitely take some flack for that.
(3:01:30 AM) spies8claude: well, for the part where it seems like you're never around
(3:01:44 AM) spies8owen: I'm around, just at different hours than everyone else.
(3:01:51 AM) spies8claude: I know.

(3:02:51 AM) spies8owen: Oh well, not like I haven't been trying to change my schedule up, just failing miserably. I'm always down to communicate in PM -- doesn't seem like others ever think of that.
(3:03:01 AM) spies8claude: heh
(3:03:07 AM) spies8owen: Other than Brod. That's actually how we started talking without being at each others throats.
(3:03:15 AM) spies8claude: Well, that's something.
(3:03:27 AM) spies8owen: Yeah, I'm happy we're on normal speaking terms.
(3:03:52 AM) spies8claude: Broderick is really difficult to tolerate.
(3:04:04 AM) spies8claude: He is a complete douche, and seems completely unaware of it.
(3:04:23 AM) spies8owen: It took a few days off from the game to realize that I just have understand that he's an asshole and roll with it.
(3:04:29 AM) spies8owen: But yeah, he's unaware of how he comes off, I think.
(3:04:47 AM) spies8owen: He claims that others instigate, but it seems likes he brings most of it on.
(3:05:45 AM) spies8owen: I can tolerate assholes as long as they can make me laugh and have some charm to them.
(3:06:02 AM) spies8claude: right
(3:06:04 AM) spies8claude: So me.
(3:06:48 AM) spies8owen: Brod. hasn't made me laugh up until recentely. I think I've got Stockholm Syndrome or some shit.
(3:07:52 AM) spies8owen: You're not an asshole if that's what you meant by "so me."
(3:08:03 AM) spies8claude: Awwww
(3:08:08 AM) spies8claude: Guess I haven't b een trying as hard as I thougt.
(3:08:25 AM) spies8owen: Hahahaha. Nah, you've been one of the easiest people for me to talk to.
(3:08:35 AM) spies8claude: We seem to think similiarly.
(3:08:46 AM) spies8claude: That's probably part of why I can't make myself completely trust you.
(3:09:09 AM) spies8owen: Don't completely trust me. That kinda stuff gets people killed.
(3:09:19 AM) spies8claude: I consider the possibility that you're a Spy that just bussed infinite terrible people on his team because..that's what I would have done.
(3:09:42 AM) spies8owen: I've actually only ever been scum once. Not much of a busser.
(3:09:51 AM) spies8owen: I'm the team player that gets bussed.
(3:09:59 AM) spies8claude: heh
(3:11:03 AM) spies8owen: If I'm not imprisoned soon, I think I'm being set up for one of the last, if not the last mislynch.
(3:11:09 AM) spies8owen: Was a guy last season that was really similar to me.
(3:11:13 AM) spies8claude: Oh?
(3:11:24 AM) spies8claude: There was a guy in some past season that was similar to you..named Jason :-(
(3:11:26 AM) spies8owen: Hank. Was trusted, seemed to have a lot of pull despite not being a huge presence on the boards.
(3:11:56 AM) spies8owen: There's only one Jason. Nobody else busses as much as him. EVER.
(3:12:01 AM) spies8owen: I know this because I've been bussed by him.
(3:12:04 AM) spies8claude: If you're a Spy..
(3:12:06 AM) spies8claude: heh
(3:12:11 AM) spies8claude: Just saying.
(3:12:23 AM) spies8claude: If I had to put odds on you, I'd put you as probably 3:1 town
(3:12:53 AM) spies8owen: I don't blame you for having doubts, but from my perspective, I"m an obv-cit. And I usually don't feel that way about myself as town.
(3:13:37 AM) spies8owen: I'd rather get imprisoned than have a lynch wasted on me, which I fear is going to happen if I stick around.
(3:13:57 AM) spies8claude: I've tried to downplay other people talking about being suspicious of you
(3:15:32 AM) spies8owen: At the same time, if I was getting lynched, I'd probably enjoy pointing and laughing since there's a lot of people in the game I feel are uhh... stupid.
(3:15:40 AM) spies8claude: snicker
(3:16:03 AM) spies8owen: There really does seem to be a lack of competent players.
(3:16:08 AM) spies8claude: I know
(3:16:09 AM) spies8claude: blah
(3:17:03 AM) spies8owen: Jenny was trying to sweet talk me last night.
(3:17:06 AM) spies8owen: She was saying a lot of the right things.
(3:17:14 AM) spies8owen: But there's no way I'm not trusting Awo on this.
(3:17:19 AM) spies8claude: If she is a Spy, she's the ringleader.
(3:17:30 AM) spies8owen: Confirmed cit... Jenny, who I don't trust. Kiara, who I don't trust. I'll go with the confirmed cit.
(3:17:43 AM) spies8claude: heh
(3:18:01 AM) spies8owen: When I finally told Jenny about doctor last night, she didn't seem shocked Gabe was killed.
(3:18:16 AM) spies8owen: Every other person that has heard was surprised by it.
(3:18:36 AM) spies8owen: Or that Gabe was the first target*
(3:19:41 AM) spies8owen: If Awo made this all up, I'm probably going to go into "fuck this game" mode.
(4:05:42 AM) spies8owen: As a random side note, Chance's ghost-AIM is ridiculous.
(4:05:48 AM) spies8claude: ?
(4:05:53 AM) spies8owen: How he randomly signs on.
(4:05:58 AM) spies8owen: Idle for 2+ hours
(4:06:28 AM) spies8owen: It seems like it happens almost every night.
(4:06:35 AM) spies8claude: Hmm.
(4:06:36 AM) spies8claude: That is odd.
(4:13:10 AM) spies8claude: So, what's your take on the remaining 4 Spies?
(4:13:57 AM) spies8owen: Jenny, Kiara are a definite two IMO if Jenny flips.
(4:14:01 AM) spies8claude: Yeah.
(4:14:03 AM) spies8claude: Dane also I think.
(4:14:08 AM) spies8claude: But like, if Jenny is not a spy..
(4:14:12 AM) spies8owen: Dane, I'm getting unsure now for the things Jenny was saying to me last night.
(4:14:12 AM) spies8claude: Then I feel really lost.
(4:14:34 AM) spies8owen: It seemed like she was TRYING to connect herself to him.
(4:14:38 AM) spies8claude: If Jenny is a Spy, then her giving dane his vote back seems completely in line with how the Spies have played all game.
(4:15:25 AM) spies8owen: That's true, with Magalie getting hers back.
(4:15:32 AM) spies8claude: Yeah.
(4:15:48 AM) spies8owen: If Jenny flips town... yeah, I'd think that's game over.
(4:15:51 AM) spies8owen: It'd be chaotic.
(4:15:52 AM) spies8claude: lol
(4:16:44 AM) spies8owen: Finger pointing everywhere, wouldn't be good at all. And I'd want to e-punch Awo in the face.
(4:16:58 AM) spies8claude: Yeah.
(4:17:05 AM) spies8claude: I can understand what he did, in some circumstances.
(4:17:10 AM) spies8claude: But not with the gamestate where it's at now.
(4:17:28 AM) spies8owen: Exactly.
(4:17:38 AM) spies8claude: I've definitely done riskier things, heh.
(4:17:49 AM) spies8claude: But the town wouldn't just auto-lose the game if I was wrong.
(4:18:04 AM) spies8claude: And if Awo was gambitting and Jenny is town, we're in REALLY bad shape.
(4:18:42 AM) spies8owen: Yep, not only would we be down to only like 3 mislynches (I believe) but we would have wasted an entire round looking at Jenny and her connections.
(4:18:58 AM) spies8claude: Probably not even 3 mislynches.
(4:19:03 AM) spies8owen: But, I'm fairly cofident she's going to be scum.
(4:19:03 AM) spies8claude: There are what, 13 alive now?
(4:19:06 AM) spies8claude: Yeah.
(4:19:08 AM) spies8owen: confident*
(4:19:22 AM) spies8claude: For some reason, her giving Dane his vote back just feel like a complete scum move to me.
(4:19:22 AM) spies8owen: 13 or 14, I believe.
(4:19:33 AM) spies8claude: Even w/o knowing his alignment, something about it.
(4:19:44 AM) spies8owen: I think her town read on him in general is a bit odd.
(4:20:00 AM) spies8owen: She's adamant about it.
(4:20:06 AM) spies8owen: She's usually not adamant about anything.
(4:20:14 AM) spies8owen: Other than inviting people to chats.
(4:20:38 AM) spies8claude: and posting them!
(4:20:39 AM) spies8claude: blah
(4:21:01 AM) spies8owen: It's useful, but I'd rather she take stances on things.
(4:21:07 AM) spies8claude: Of course.
(4:21:16 AM) spies8claude: I mean like, her 'I find cits' is a legitimate town stance, sadly.
(4:21:23 AM) spies8claude: That's just how some people play.
(4:21:31 AM) spies8owen: I really hate that style of play.
(4:21:37 AM) spies8claude: I do too.
(4:21:47 AM) spies8claude: But it's not a scumtell.
(4:22:11 AM) spies8owen: Nope. But it's no excuse for not forming opinions on others.
(4:23:02 AM) spies8owen: I've never been able to really get anything on Jenny evidence wise. Playstyle has always been my main thing against her.
(4:23:48 AM) spies8owen: She looked good for a while after the Isaac flip, but really hasn't changed anything since.
(4:24:25 AM) spies8owen: Also connecting to Jenny is possibly Cinnamyn.
(4:24:51 AM) spies8owen: Brod. showed me a convo with him/her about Kiara using her role.
(4:24:59 AM) spies8claude: With whom?
(4:24:59 AM) spies8owen: It read to me as Kiara was using her role to clear Jenny.
(4:25:03 AM) spies8owen: Cinnaymn.
(4:25:12 AM) spies8claude: Hmm.
(4:25:23 AM) spies8owen: spies8cinnamyn (15:13:11): well da reazin i aks iz bcuz jenny iz sayin' kiara will check her tonite and say she iz a cit
spies8cinnamyn (15:13:18): but im not rulin' out dat both kiara n' jenny r spiez
spies8broderick (15:13:37): Kiara is going to check Jenny tonight?
spies8cinnamyn (15:13:55): i dont no
spies8cinnamyn (15:13:59): o sorry, awo
spies8cinnamyn (15:14:10): and say he didnt have a role
spies8broderick (15:15:9): Oh K.
spies8cinnamyn (15:15:16): datz wut jenny iz claimin' kiara wil do, which i mean i think she prob will
(4:26:03 AM) spies8claude: Confusing.
(4:26:19 AM) spies8claude: Reading that converastion, I don't think they can all 3 be Spies.
(4:26:36 AM) spies8owen: Unless they're really messy, yeah.
(4:26:58 AM) spies8owen: Jenny keeps saying there's no reason for Kiara to lie about this.
(4:27:12 AM) spies8owen: But the thing is, there's too many "town" roles.
(4:27:24 AM) spies8owen: Kiara saying that Awo doesn't have one makes hers look like it could be legitimate.

[Owen]

(12:12:34 PM) spies8owen: Hey Steph. Long time no talk.
(12:12:47 PM) spies8stephanie: owen!
(12:12:59 PM) spies8stephanie: wb
(12:13:04 PM) spies8owen: My sleep schedule is so screwed up. :/
(12:13:16 PM) spies8owen: Haven't slept yet. I might as well be in a different time zone.
(12:13:26 PM) spies8owen: Australia would probably work.
(12:13:49 PM) spies8stephanie: lol there was a rumor you had moved to japan
(12:14:43 PM) spies8owen: Hahaha. Anyway, how've you been?
(12:15:01 PM) spies8stephanie: well i am still here -- so that's good
(12:15:14 PM) spies8stephanie: other than that, not so much
(12:15:41 PM) spies8owen: I saw your apology to Cory. It was beautiful.
(12:15:52 PM) spies8stephanie: lol
(12:16:14 PM) spies8owen: I told you, dear.
(12:16:29 PM) spies8stephanie: i actually meant most of it -- i had calmed down by imprisonment
(12:16:54 PM) spies8stephanie: yes, and i told you that zeke was cit, and would have told you that awohali was cit
(12:16:57 PM) spies8owen: Ahh, that's good. I didn't enjoy our night of bickering.
(12:17:13 PM) spies8stephanie: i really did just have a meltdown
(12:17:24 PM) spies8owen: Understandable.
(12:17:30 PM) spies8owen: I've been on the verge of one all game.
(12:17:51 PM) spies8stephanie: so what are you thinking these days?
(12:18:05 PM) spies8owen: I'm thinking that I don't see any reason not to trust Awo.
(12:18:22 PM) spies8owen: Confirmed citizen, even stuck to it on his way out.
(12:18:27 PM) spies8owen: Really don't think he'd screw us like that.
(12:18:37 PM) spies8stephanie: i agree
(12:19:03 PM) spies8owen: And my thinking as to why Kiara would say Awo has a role is because there's WAY too many town roles.
(12:19:08 PM) spies8owen: doesn't have a role****
(12:19:49 PM) spies8owen: That'd make sense if she and Jenny were spies together and she still planned on voting her. Otherwise she would have just said the role was real.
(12:20:02 PM) spies8owen: The less town roles out there (Awo), the more Kiara's can look real.
(12:20:58 PM) spies8stephanie: i've been thinking that kiara's is a real spy role
(12:21:07 PM) spies8stephanie: that she added the guessing part to
(12:21:08 PM) spies8owen: Or not real at all.
(12:21:41 PM) spies8stephanie: possible that it's totally faked
(12:22:06 PM) spies8stephanie: but how would she know for sure that gabe, lilith didn't have roles
(12:22:10 PM) spies8owen: It seems pretty intricate, but someone with a fake role would want it to seem intricate.
(12:22:12 PM) spies8stephanie: seems risky
(12:22:14 PM) spies8owen: Yeah, that's a good point.
(12:22:18 PM) spies8owen: And she knew doc wasn't dead.
(12:22:58 PM) spies8stephanie: i think she added the guessing part to make it look like a cit role
(12:23:07 PM) spies8owen: Very possible.
(12:23:40 PM) spies8owen: You're right though, pretty tough to know that Gabe/Lilith didn't have roles.
(12:23:57 PM) spies8stephanie: the extra investigations would come the dead spies -- who she didn't really need to investigate
(12:24:49 PM) spies8owen: Who else do you think could connect to Jenny?
(12:25:06 PM) spies8owen: Someone she's always defended to me = Dane.
(12:25:16 PM) spies8owen: For someone that rarely takes stances, she does with him.
(12:25:19 PM) spies8stephanie: i keep going back and forth on dane
(12:25:26 PM) spies8owen: Though I've been wondering if she's TRYING to make herself seem connected to Dane.
(12:25:50 PM) spies8stephanie: yep the 98 love points a little too much
(12:26:26 PM) spies8stephanie: of course, my personal opinion of dane also keeps getting in my way
(12:28:21 PM) spies8stephanie: and now dane is protecting kiara?
(12:28:25 PM) spies8stephanie: not good
(12:33:19 PM) spies8owen: Not sure if he's protecting Kiara. The theory makes sense. Last season Irulan did say she'd become a vanilla citizen after her one-use role.
(12:33:27 PM) spies8owen: So, since Awo used his already, he might appear roleless.
(12:33:57 PM) spies8stephanie: possible, but seems unlikely
(12:34:16 PM) spies8owen: If Kiara didn't know about Cory, we could test this theory, since his would fall under the same category.
(12:39:15 PM) spies8stephanie: is there something in ep 4 or 5 that he doesn't want us looking at?
(12:39:18 PM) spies8stephanie: odd
(12:39:28 PM) spies8owen: Yeah, I'm not sure why those rounds wouldn't be important.
(12:39:30 PM) spies8owen: She was in danger epi 4.
(12:39:35 PM) spies8owen: Should look at that too.
(12:42:03 PM) spies8stephanie: i just really dislike dane directing me on what to do
(12:42:16 PM) spies8stephanie: just like his original post on how to bold our votes
(12:42:23 PM) spies8stephanie: really rubs me the wrong way
(12:42:25 PM) spies8owen: Have you still never bolded a vote?
(12:42:31 PM) spies8stephanie: nope
(12:42:35 PM) spies8owen: Hahahaha.
(12:42:51 PM) spies8owen: Don't have to do what he says, do your own thang.
(12:59:43 PM) spies8stephanie: looking back thru my jenny posts, she asked me about 3 times why i voted for dane ep 1?
(1:00:24 PM) spies8owen: She defends Dane a lot in our convos.
(1:00:52 PM) spies8stephanie: yep it's not just a recent thing
(1:03:36 PM) spies8stephanie: after the kiara claim, i think jenny started discussing the number of roles quite a bit
(1:03:55 PM) spies8stephanie: and saying that there were not enough cit roles
(1:04:16 PM) spies8owen: That could make some sense. She didn't know about Chance/Gert at that point. or SHOULDN'T have.
(1:04:35 PM) spies8stephanie: ahh
(1:04:37 PM) spies8stephanie: that's true
(1:04:42 PM) spies8owen: Could be defending Kiara though.
(1:04:43 PM) spies8stephanie: i'd forgotten that
(1:06:07 PM) spies8owen: On Dane:
(1:06:09 PM) spies8owen: (1:29:59 AM) spies8jenny: I might agree with that, but considering how wonderfully that train of thought went with Harold last time, that's not going to do much for me this time around.
(1:30:33 AM) spies8jenny: Especially since I've always had suspicions that they're the same person anyways.
(1:06:27 PM) spies8owen: When I said that when he comes on AIM, all he does is fight.
(1:08:19 PM) spies8stephanie: she said something very similar to me very early on
(1:08:51 PM) spies8stephanie: i don't think she mentioned harold specifically, or if she did, it didn't mean anything to me
(1:09:42 PM) spies8owen: Another thing if Jenny flip scum.
(1:09:50 PM) spies8owen: Is why in the hell would they get you nominated?
(1:10:02 PM) spies8owen: I made it pretty clear to people I talked to that I wasn't voting you.
(1:10:13 PM) spies8owen: Makes me think that the spies were really disconnected from me.
(1:11:05 PM) spies8stephanie: makes no sense, plus i think i would have been nominated anyway
(1:11:06 PM) spies8owen: Or Isaac used the vote coverup when he was leaving just because he figured he would be nominated.
(1:11:18 PM) spies8owen: It was poorly used.
(1:11:22 PM) spies8owen: Or it seems that way.
(1:11:32 PM) spies8stephanie: yeah, maybe it was use it then or not at all, cause he was gonna be dead
(1:13:08 PM) spies8stephanie: what about jasmine?
(1:13:26 PM) spies8owen: What about her?
(1:13:28 PM) spies8stephanie: i have a note written down that i thought jasmine was defending jenny at some point
(1:13:33 PM) spies8stephanie: but i can't find where
(1:13:41 PM) spies8stephanie: and she's voted against her
(1:13:45 PM) spies8owen: I haven't talked to Jasmine since we were Republicans together, I think.
(1:13:53 PM) spies8owen: Mmhmm, voted her when she went on vacation, right?
(1:14:16 PM) spies8owen: Her and Isaac seemed to legitimately dislike each other too.
(1:14:42 PM) spies8owen: Spies can dislike each other though, so I'm unsure on her as of now.
(1:15:02 PM) spies8stephanie: friday night in chat, jasmine seemed oddly lucid and on point to me
(1:15:23 PM) spies8stephanie: she usually has just been disruptive
(1:15:40 PM) spies8owen: Yeah, whenever I've seen her in logs, she's usually OMGUS'ing.
(1:15:53 PM) spies8owen: She seemed experienced?
(1:16:00 PM) spies8owen: That'd go against how I've felt about her.
(1:16:21 PM) spies8stephanie: not experienced, but talking about the game
(1:16:29 PM) spies8owen: That's a nice change.
(1:16:41 PM) spies8owen: Though I lmfao every time I see Hambone calling her pic hot.
(1:17:25 PM) spies8stephanie: hehe
(1:22:27 PM) spies8stephanie: i've gotta go -- good to see you back -- hope to see you later

[Owen]

(1:20:01 PM) spies8owen: Hey Chance.
(1:20:06 PM) spies8chance: i owen.
(1:20:09 PM) spies8chance: *hi.
(1:20:11 PM) spies8owen: iOwen.
(1:20:20 PM) spies8owen: How goes it?
(1:20:26 PM) spies8chance: about to be gone for two days.
(1:20:37 PM) spies8owen: Ahhhh, going somewhere?
(1:20:46 PM) spies8chance: yeah, i posted in the away thread.
(1:20:51 PM) spies8owen: Enjoy.
(1:20:56 PM) spies8chance: heh.
(1:21:01 PM) spies8owen: Btw, sorry for calling you an idiot the other night.
(1:21:35 PM) spies8owen: I know, harshest insult EVER! But still, I didn't feel good about it after.
(1:21:44 PM) spies8chance: it's cool.
(1:22:15 PM) spies8owen: Alright, good. I miss our chat.
(1:22:25 PM) spies8chance: yeah, me too.
(1:23:18 PM) spies8owen: Break should do you well.
(1:23:27 PM) spies8chance: until i'm imprisoned.
(1:23:27 PM) spies8owen: I came back and have been getting along with Brod. Anything can happen.
(1:23:36 PM) spies8owen: Somehow people still seem to suspect you.
(1:23:40 PM) spies8owen: So I'm not sure about that.
(1:23:41 PM) spies8chance: yeah, i'm never going to get along with him. heh. i won't have to for much longer.
(1:24:24 PM) spies8owen: Pretty sure Claude thinks 1 of us is scum.
(1:24:31 PM) spies8chance: that's nice.
(1:24:36 PM) spies8owen: Yep, lovely.
(1:25:08 PM) spies8owen: Another big reason I miss Gertrude. She can't keep her man on a leash anymore.
(1:25:35 PM) spies8owen: Imprisonment would be relieving right now. :/
(1:25:40 PM) spies8chance: heh.
(1:26:22 PM) spies8owen: Until then we just have to FANTASIZE about Cory instead of having the real thing.
(1:26:30 PM) spies8chance: :-P
(1:26:30 PM) spies8owen: I mean, what? He's your man.
(1:26:32 PM) spies8owen: I would never.
(1:26:35 PM) spies8chance: you better not.
(1:27:51 PM) spies8owen: Blah, my sleep schedule is so fucked up.
(1:28:30 PM) spies8owen: Still up.
(1:28:36 PM) spies8owen: Straight up vampire. Or crackhead.
(1:28:40 PM) spies8chance: heh.
(1:31:10 PM) spies8owen: Dane (yes, DANE) had a good thought.
(1:31:15 PM) spies8owen: Regarding Awo's role.
(1:31:24 PM) spies8chance: jasmine had the same one. i don't think it's plausible.
(1:31:30 PM) spies8owen: That he became 'nilla?
(1:31:35 PM) spies8chance: yes.
(1:31:59 PM) spies8owen: The reason I think it's possible is because last season the doctor said she would become nilla after a successful save.
(1:32:11 PM) spies8chance: she's still be the doctor, though.
(1:33:09 PM) spies8owen: You even typed like she would have. That was cute. Irulan <3
(1:33:20 PM) spies8chance: she'll.
(1:33:45 PM) spies8owen: But yeah, I think it's possible. Not anything that can be confirmed. I'm gonna ask Sam about one-use roles, doubt I get anything out of it.
(1:36:29 PM) spies8chance: heading out, owen. later.

[Owen]

(12:25:33 PM) spies8claude entered the room.
(12:25:33 PM) spies8dane entered the room.
(12:25:33 PM) spies8owen entered the room.
(12:25:33 PM) JinjosandJiggies entered the room.
(12:25:39 PM) spies8dane: hey owen
(12:25:42 PM) spies8owen: Hey Dane.
(12:25:52 PM) spies8owen: How goes it?
(12:25:52 PM) spies8dane: think stephanie will notice her invite?
(12:25:53 PM) spies8stephanie entered the room.
(12:26:01 PM) spies8dane: good, both of you are on
(12:26:19 PM) spies8dane: i had a question
(12:26:25 PM) spies8owen: Shoot.
(12:26:28 PM) spies8owen: Preferably not for the face.
(12:26:45 PM) spies8dane: I don't know if kiara discussed it with you yet, but have you heard the theory of awohali reverting to a normal cit?
(12:27:11 PM) spies8owen: What theory? All I know is Kiara apparently role checked him.
(12:27:17 PM) spies8owen: And says he's roleless.
(12:27:30 PM) spies8dane: we each came up with the theory separately, but here it is, short and simple
(12:27:50 PM) spies8dane: in the past, after a cit uses a "one-use-only" role, sam says they become a normal citizen
(12:28:11 PM) spies8dane: awohali's role was a one-use-only
(12:28:20 PM) spies8dane: he used it
(12:28:22 PM) spies8dane: he was exiled
(12:28:23 PM) spies8owen: Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh.
(12:28:25 PM) spies8owen: Great thought.
(12:28:30 PM) spies8dane: THEN kiara checked him
(12:28:46 PM) spies8owen: So he COULD have been a normal citizen by that point.
(12:28:50 PM) spies8stephanie: except that awohali clearly said he had a role
(12:28:51 PM) spies8owen: That makes a lot of sense.
(12:28:56 PM) spies8owen: Yes, he had the role.
(12:28:57 PM) spies8owen: But used it.
(12:29:03 PM) spies8stephanie: "political activist"
(12:29:07 PM) spies8dane: steph, you missed my point
(12:29:37 PM) spies8dane: even role holders with names for their role revert to normal cits if their role can't be used more than once and they were already used
(12:29:44 PM) spies8owen: Do you have any past instances where Sam's said that after one use roles that they're considered a 'nilla cit?
(12:29:51 PM) spies8dane: dick tracy
(12:30:41 PM) spies8owen: Oh, come on. A real role!
(12:30:43 PM) spies8dane: doctor
(12:30:43 PM) spies8owen: Oh, wait.
(12:30:49 PM) spies8dane: doctor of spies 7
(12:31:02 PM) spies8owen: Oh right, I believe Irulan did say that she would become vanilla.
(12:31:04 PM) spies8dane: wasn't it said that is she successfully saved someone, she reverted to a normal cit
(12:31:05 PM) spies8owen: After a save.
(12:31:24 PM) spies8dane: I still don't have a strong cit read on kiara
(12:31:32 PM) spies8owen: Nor do I.
(12:31:40 PM) spies8dane: but I thought it should be known that it wasn't necessarily her or awohali lying
(12:31:51 PM) spies8owen: It's definitely possible.
(12:31:58 PM) spies8dane: I hate misinformation being used for lynches
(12:32:04 PM) spies8owen: Hadn't considered that at all.
(12:33:11 PM) spies8stephanie: awohali did say "my role is effectvely useless after I have gotten my prize"
(12:33:26 PM) spies8stephanie: but did NOT say that his role went away
(12:33:49 PM) spies8dane: true
(12:34:15 PM) spies8dane: maybe he took it for granted that he would still officially have the role, or maybe he didn't think it needed to be mention
(12:34:20 PM) spies8dane: in any case, it's just a theory
(12:35:17 PM) spies8owen: Maybe Sam will answer questions related to one-use roles.
(12:35:31 PM) spies8owen: Most likely not though.
(12:35:37 PM) spies8dane: yup :-\
(12:35:47 PM) spies8dane: I assume we are all voting for jenny this round
(12:35:52 PM) spies8dane: and we all expect her to flip spy
(12:35:57 PM) spies8owen: Yes, and yes.
(12:36:00 PM) spies8dane: which brings up the question: who next?
(12:36:00 PM) spies8owen: As far as I'm concerned.
(12:36:14 PM) spies8dane: her flipping spy no longer tells us much, just because how unanimously agreed upon her guilt is
(12:36:21 PM) spies8dane: it does make hambone look better though
(12:36:37 PM) spies8owen: I'm not sure if you're connected to Jenny or she's TRYING to connect herself to you.
(12:36:44 PM) spies8dane: yeah :-P
(12:36:50 PM) spies8owen: I had been thinking there was something there, but as of late she seems to be overdoing it.
(12:37:02 PM) spies8dane: in any case
(12:37:05 PM) spies8dane: my suggestion:
(12:37:16 PM) spies8dane: we check through the first 3 episodes and see what we can find on her
(12:37:29 PM) spies8dane: each take one episode
(12:37:37 PM) spies8dane: her connections
(12:37:46 PM) spies8owen: The problem with her is that she rarely takes stances.
(12:37:49 PM) spies8owen: Hard to find connections.
(12:38:06 PM) spies8dane: they might be easier to see now that we have so much more info
(12:38:27 PM) spies8owen: Were any of us teamed with her in epi 3?
(12:38:33 PM) spies8dane: instead of looking for a needle in a haystack, we are looking for a hypodermic needle
(12:38:34 PM) spies8owen: Think the 3 of us were all Rep.
(12:38:38 PM) spies8owen: Jenny was Dem.
(12:38:43 PM) spies8dane: >.<
(12:38:53 PM) spies8stephanie: and why the first 3?
(12:39:21 PM) spies8dane: because those are the farthest from our minds; the longest time ago
(12:39:26 PM) spies8dane: more likely to have forgotten things
(12:40:29 PM) spies8owen: I may already have convo excerpts with her from the first episodes in my notes.
(12:41:02 PM) spies8dane: I have my full logs
(12:41:42 PM) spies8owen: Yeah, I have full logs too. Just thought I may have had some things that stuck out to me already.
(12:42:51 PM) spies8dane: who was gone for the first 3 days of the game?
(12:43:09 PM) spies8stephanie: you?
(12:43:10 PM) spies8owen: Kiara was the only early inactive.
(12:43:13 PM) spies8owen: And Lilith.
(12:43:39 PM) spies8dane: hmmm, I
(12:43:47 PM) spies8dane: 'm not sure who she was talking about here:
(12:44:17 PM) spies8dane:
(12:44:26 PM) spies8dane: my attempted message contains banned data apparently
(12:44:48 PM) spies8dane: it actually won't let me quote jenny
(12:45:30 PM) spies8dane: oh, maybe it's her font
(12:45:54 PM) spies8dane: spies8jenny (2:58:37 PM):If nobody is doing anything outright spy like, then I'll focus on who's doing the least town like stuff. spies8dane (2:58:49 PM):what about the girl who is gone for 3 days? spies8jenny (2:59:14 PM):Well I'm willing to give her some leeway for now, just in case she's being honest about where she's off to. spies8dane (2:59:16 PM):does she get a by, or does that count as not townlike? spies8dane (2:59:18 PM):ah spies8jenny (2:59:24 PM):It's only the first day, and we got two months.
(12:45:57 PM) spies8dane: yup
(12:45:59 PM) spies8dane: her font
(12:47:04 PM) spies8dane: episode 1 she only talked to me about zedekiah
(12:47:06 PM) spies8dane: surprise
(12:47:08 PM) spies8owen: Yep, definitely talking about Kiara.
(12:47:17 PM) spies8owen: I'm going through epi 1 convos with her.
(12:47:25 PM) spies8owen: It's mainly me pushing Alexei thus far.
(12:48:28 PM) spies8dane: spies8jenny (10:51:28 PM):I think a bunch of people are now switching between Stephi, and Savanny, with a couple on themby. spies8jenny (10:51:38 PM):I'm on Stephi myself.
(12:48:38 PM) spies8dane: this was episode 2
(12:48:43 PM) spies8owen: (3:47:17 AM) spies8jenny: I'm probably going to stick with Zeddy on my vote, but it sounds like looking into Stephi-kins might be a good idea.
(12:48:45 PM) spies8owen: Epi 2.
(12:48:49 PM) spies8dane: what did she suspect you of at that time stephanie?
(12:49:14 PM) spies8owen: And she gave no reasons on Steph.
(12:49:21 PM) spies8owen: This was right before you asked both of us to push a vote to you.
(12:49:31 PM) spies8owen: And she failed and couldn't push anyone.
(12:49:50 PM) spies8dane: i think her reasons on stephanie were the reasons I suspected stephanie for most of the episode
(12:49:51 PM) spies8stephanie: i have no idea what jenny has ever suspected me of
(12:50:00 PM) spies8dane: it was discussed in episode 2 group chat
(12:50:10 PM) spies8dane: something about your voting reasons
(12:50:15 PM) spies8stephanie: not that i ever saw
(12:50:16 PM) spies8dane: and what you found suspicious
(12:50:19 PM) spies8owen: (3:55:58 AM) spies8jenny: Rondie I've been trying to help get some footing in the game. He sounds like he knows he's in trouble for not really going into game play, and still didn't know what to do.
(12:50:38 PM) spies8dane: later episodes she switched to pushing for him to be exiled, right?
(12:50:53 PM) spies8owen: Rondak?
(12:51:05 PM) spies8owen: She wants Rondak lynched right now.
(12:51:27 PM) spies8owen: I asked her who she thought from the nominees could be scum, she says the only one she suspects is him.
(12:52:27 PM) spies8stephanie: last night she said
(12:52:32 PM) spies8stephanie: Stephie, Rondie, Ricky, possibly Jas, possibly Mary
(12:52:58 PM) spies8dane: what does she currently suspect you of?
(12:53:06 PM) spies8stephanie: i do not know
(12:53:14 PM) spies8stephanie: you'd have to ask her
(12:53:34 PM) spies8dane: you didn't ask? Or were you not there when she said it
(12:54:21 PM) spies8stephanie: i asked when she suspected the first time, but didn't get much of an answer
(12:54:24 PM) spies8owen: (11:27:33 PM) spies8jenny: Rondie isn't here to bring it up, so I figure I might as well in his place. He was hoping you would make a post or topic or something that showed the answers you got.
(12:54:30 PM) spies8owen: Of course she'd want me to post all of those >_>
(12:54:37 PM) spies8owen: They're like Imprisonment applications.
(12:56:42 PM) spies8owen: i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture106.jpg

i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture109.jpg

From epi 4, I believe.
(12:56:54 PM) spies8stephanie: ack
(12:59:36 PM) spies8owen: (12:17:14 AM) spies8jenny: Anyways, after tonight I think I'm willing to agree that Stephi isn't a spy.

Either Isaac voted for Stephi, to explain the lack of tie, or the spies used the fog to push her into the third spot.

Either way, that doesn't make sense happening if she's a spy.
(1:22:41 PM) spies8stephanie left the room.
(1:25:57 PM) spies8dane left the room.

[Owen]

(10:43:41 PM) spies8jenny: Hi Owen!
(10:44:00 PM) spies8owen: Hey Jenny.
(10:44:07 PM) spies8jenny: How are you doing?
(10:44:10 PM) spies8owen: How's it going? (not great, I'd imagine)
(10:44:16 PM) spies8owen: I'm alright -- still waking up a bit.
(10:44:41 PM) spies8jenny: I'm doing alright.
(10:45:20 PM) spies8jenny: So hey, gave you guys a head start for next episode at least.
(10:45:42 PM) spies8jenny: Got some people thinking about who becomes better or worse when I am revealed as a cit.
(10:46:09 PM) spies8owen: In the case that you somehow do come up as town, that's good.
(10:46:12 PM) spies8owen: And I'll miss you either way.
(10:46:30 PM) spies8jenny: Don't worry, I'll be able to stalk you folks from the viewer's lounge.
(10:50:30 PM) spies8jenny:
(10:50:42 PM) spies8jenny: Just make sure these ninnies don't get lazy like this episode.
(10:50:50 PM) spies8jenny: It's already getting down to the wire as it is.
(10:53:04 PM) spies8jenny: Besides, that's how we lost the last 2 games, you'd think they'd learn.

(10:54:16 PM) spies8owen: If you flip town, I don't think laziness is what will hurt us.
(10:54:25 PM) spies8owen: I think it would be chaotic.
(10:54:39 PM) spies8owen: A bunch of finger pointing.
(10:56:52 PM) spies8jenny: Well I guess you're going to find out in about 15 minutes.
(10:57:29 PM) spies8jenny: Unless you all want to surprise me and vote out a spy instead.
(10:58:13 PM) spies8owen: If you are town, I'm sorry, but I don't think that's the case right now. Also, please send my dead compandres much love from me.
(10:58:54 PM) spies8jenny: I'll also smack Hali upside the head on behalf of everyone still in the game.
(11:00:32 PM) spies8jenny: And then one more time for myself.
(11:00:34 PM) spies8owen: Oh dear, I just read Hambone saying that he's going to vote for me if I'm alive in 2 rounds.
(11:00:47 PM) spies8owen: That's basically saying "hey, spies, keep him around and I'll lynch him."
(11:01:20 PM) spies8owen: Which would increase my chances at making it past imprisonment.
(11:01:24 PM) spies8jenny: You gotta love the survivor players.
(11:01:40 PM) spies8owen: I was one of them once.
(11:01:41 PM) spies8owen: *shivers*
(11:02:21 PM) spies8jenny: You poor soul.
(11:16:28 PM) spies8owen: Bye Jenny. Thanks for always being so friendly + understanding about things.
(11:16:50 PM) spies8jenny: Good luck!
(11:17:00 PM) spies8owen: If we're wrong. We're screwed.

[Owen]

(10:47:41 PM) spies8lawrence: Hello Owen
(10:47:47 PM) spies8lawrence: I do believe this is the first time we have spoken
(10:48:39 PM) spies8owen: It is, you were replaced just as I took my break.
(10:48:42 PM) spies8owen: How goes it, sir?
(10:49:07 PM) spies8lawrence: Quite well, yourself?
(10:49:32 PM) spies8owen: Still waking up a bit, my sleep schedule is horrendeous. This is the earliest I've woken up in a week or so.
(10:49:49 PM) spies8lawrence: Ouch
(10:49:58 PM) spies8lawrence: I appreciate the dedication though
(10:50:24 PM) spies8lawrence: It says a lot that you are still participating instead of just inactiving out or asking for replacement
(10:50:31 PM) spies8owen: Thanks. I imagine there's some people disappointed with my participation lately. I'm not happy about it either.
(10:50:52 PM) spies8owen: There was a point where I was going to ask for a replacement, but I want to finish what I started.
(10:51:05 PM) spies8owen: And I feared I would just be eliminated and not replaced.
(10:51:13 PM) spies8lawrence: It angers me when players inactive out in a game
(10:51:27 PM) spies8owen: Being Izzie'd would have screwed the town at this point.
(10:51:29 PM) spies8lawrence: (Especially when I have the perspective of being forced to wait and be a replacement.)
(10:51:46 PM) spies8lawrence: Since you are using Spies 7 references . . . this is why I'm mad at Chloe
(10:51:58 PM) spies8lawrence: (Old Lawrence)
(10:52:06 PM) spies8owen: Oh wow, I'm shocked it was her.
(10:52:12 PM) spies8owen: Or him*
(10:52:31 PM) spies8lawrence: I know another, but talking about meta is kind of irrelevant at this point
(10:52:56 PM) spies8lawrence: Irrelevant was not the right word
(10:52:59 PM) spies8lawrence: Pointless?
(10:53:04 PM) spies8lawrence: Yes, let's go with that.
(10:53:33 PM) spies8owen: Yeah -- not a big fan of meta at any point. I mean, I've seen it work amazingly, but Sam hates it.
(10:53:58 PM) spies8lawrence: I don't mind using meta in a different form of mafia
(10:54:10 PM) spies8lawrence: However, Spies exists to eliminate it, so why bring it in?
(10:55:29 PM) spies8lawrence: I know I randomly brought it in to this conversation, so I'm a hypocrite, but oh well.
(10:55:30 PM) spies8owen: Yep. No need to go through the whole song and dance of creating characters.
(10:55:53 PM) spies8owen: It's fine, was only making a point about Chloe going inactive.

[Owen]

(11:06:18 PM) spies8hambone: I MISSED U :-(
(11:06:20 PM) spies8hambone: OWEN :-(
(11:06:57 PM) spies8owen: Oh Hammy, this is why I think you'd win if this was Survivor. Always bringing a smile to my face.
(11:06:58 PM) spies8owen: How goes it?
(11:07:23 PM) spies8hambone: :-D
(11:07:24 PM) spies8hambone: hehe
(11:07:36 PM) spies8hambone: im not too bad at survivor so u might be right!
(11:07:43 PM) spies8hambone: i can usually get kinda far
(11:07:51 PM) spies8owen: I'm a purrrty good Survivor player myself.
(11:07:54 PM) spies8hambone: the last 2 games i played my damned allies backstabbed me tho
(11:07:59 PM) spies8hambone: fucker
(11:08:00 PM) spies8hambone: s
(11:08:23 PM) spies8owen: I'm the king of 2nd place finishes.
(11:08:28 PM) spies8owen: All 4-3 losses, too.
(11:08:42 PM) spies8hambone: ahhaahah
(11:08:43 PM) spies8hambone: that sucks
(11:08:51 PM) spies8hambone: ive lost in a hugeeeeee vote before
(11:08:54 PM) spies8hambone: it was like
(11:08:57 PM) spies8hambone: 20-19
(11:09:01 PM) spies8owen: Jesus christ.
(11:09:03 PM) spies8hambone: yeah
(11:09:08 PM) spies8owen: All-Stars?
(11:09:10 PM) spies8hambone: some twist where ONCE ur eliminated
(11:09:12 PM) spies8hambone: u cast a vote
(11:09:15 PM) spies8hambone: and then at the end of the game
(11:09:17 PM) spies8owen: Oh shit.
(11:09:18 PM) spies8hambone: after questions
(11:09:20 PM) spies8hambone: u cast a second
(11:09:26 PM) spies8owen: That's nuts.
(11:09:40 PM) spies8hambone: yeah
(11:09:44 PM) spies8hambone: i got lucky in that game
(11:09:47 PM) spies8hambone: to make it as far as i did
(11:10:11 PM) spies8owen: Haven't played a Survivor game in years though. Changed mah genre.
(11:10:21 PM) spies8hambone: to mafia?
(11:10:23 PM) spies8owen: And have hosted instead.
(11:10:27 PM) spies8owen: Yeah, Mafia/Mole.
(11:10:32 PM) spies8hambone: cool
(11:10:36 PM) spies8hambone: mole is fun!
(11:10:40 PM) spies8hambone: im a genuinely lucky guy
(11:10:42 PM) spies8owen: Mole is probably my favorite.
(11:10:49 PM) spies8hambone: ive only played it once
(11:10:53 PM) spies8hambone: but just for shits and gigles
(11:10:56 PM) spies8hambone: giggles*
(11:10:58 PM) spies8owen: Shits n gigs.
(11:11:00 PM) spies8hambone: i said "ok THIS person is the MOLE"
(11:11:09 PM) spies8hambone: and every quick i went 100% on answering stuff as if it was them
(11:11:15 PM) spies8hambone: make it to the FINAL 4
(11:11:20 PM) spies8hambone: and FINALLY im eliminated
(11:11:21 PM) spies8hambone: lololol
(11:11:22 PM) spies8hambone: it wasnt them
(11:11:23 PM) spies8owen: Hahaha, crazy. I methodically split my quizzes up.
(11:11:30 PM) spies8hambone: i was just messing around
(11:11:36 PM) spies8owen: Usually takes over an hour. I'm a loser.
(11:11:38 PM) spies8hambone: but wow did i get far somehow 0_0