Episide 8 - Confessionals

[Owen]

Public Jennemy No. 1

Sorry, Awo. Kind of. Anyway, there's a good chance I would have changed my vote had I been there, but at least we'll be getting something out of this. Jenny has been Awowned.

If Awohali is making this up, which is so unlikely (as he would have been fucked had Jenny gotten lynched and came up town) he shall be eternally motherlanded. If not, wow, this game is about to be blown wide open. Spy buffet.

[Owen]

Interviews With A Buddy List
Jenny Conversations

Episode 4 -

(11:36:47 PM) spies8jenny: Anyways, as far as your original question goes, I've never really been one to actively push for any particular case unless there was a good reason for it (by which usually meant an investigation, or they admitted to it or something). Otherwise, I'm usually just fine with stating my thoughts on whatever, and hearing what others have to say about it.
(11:38:04 PM) spies8jenny: "Hey there. I'm probably going to vote for Green Lantern, that whole weakness to yellow thing seems off to me. What do you think?"


LOL, of course the spies want their hands on these:

(11:10:37 PM) spies8jenny: So what are you thinking so far about the vote? I know you don't get much say in it, but who would you want to see for now?
(11:17:57 PM) spies8jenny: Dane is looking for you in the chat.
(11:27:33 PM) spies8jenny: Rondie isn't here to bring it up, so I figure I might as well in his place. He was hoping you would make a post or topic or something that showed the answers you got.
(11:28:35 PM) spies8owen: Hmm...
(11:28:46 PM) spies8owen: I don't know if it would be wise for me to reveal everything now.
(11:29:05 PM) spies8owen: It's basically an imprisonment applicatin if spies got their hands on it at the moment.
(11:29:10 PM) spies8owen: application*
(11:29:38 PM) spies8owen: Do you agree?
(11:30:30 PM) spies8jenny: I don't have any problem with it myself right now, but I know Rondie was worried about it when we were talking about you earlier, so I figured I might as well let you know for him, since he's offline.
(11:30:38 PM) spies8jenny: 13:05] spies8rondak: True. But he did ask for suspicions and such, and on the guise of being private, people may have been more truthful to him, or lied more to him.
[13:05] spies8rondak: And that information could be critical to us catching Spies.
[13:05] spies8jenny: That's why I'm saying that he should eventually do a topic that discusses what he's got.
[13:06] spies8rondak: If discusses what you got means a direct copy/paste of everything, I agree.
[13:06] spies8rondak: If discusses what he's got means that he is going to be the arbiter of information, I completely disagree.
(11:31:15 PM) spies8owen: Eventually, I do plan on it.
(11:31:20 PM) spies8owen: I'm just not sure if right now is the time to do so.
(11:31:26 PM) spies8owen: Considering I still haven't gotten a few sets of answers.
(11:32:54 PM) spies8jenny: I don't have any real problem with waiting on it for now, like I said. Just figured it'd be good if I helped him out a bit since you two never seem to be on at the same time.


(11:39:24 PM) spies8jenny: Anyways, since I brought it up a while ago in the group chat, I might as well show you. Spice was asking me earlier what I was thinking as far as suspicions went, after wondering what I was doing looking for cits. Ended up showing the game board note chart thing I've had around for a bit, so I might as well show it to you too.
i943.photobucket.com/albums/ad276/spies8jenny/Picture106.jpg
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(11:40:21 PM) spies8jenny: Orange side - Top is confirmed citizens (which is pretty much just me and the dead cits), and goes down from there.
Blue side - Top is confirmed spies (meaning Lexi), and goes down from there, until you hit darth maul, and then it's people I just plain don't know yet about.

(1:47:37 AM) spies8jenny: Personally this takes Lucky out of being a spy. It makes no sense to me that he'd start up a topic based entirely on that doctor claim if he knew that it was a (rather blatent) ruse from the spy messenger. And to heck with WIFOM.

(1:54:07 AM) spies8jenny: Honestly, Al's done things every so often like this that make me want to bang my head on the wall. Which made losing real Savanny even more annoying, when a big reason for that happening was because of there being a bunch of Al voters that had to switch votes quick, that shouldn't have even existed in the first place.


(2:37:39 AM) spies8owen: Grr, cover-up.
(2:37:52 AM) spies8jenny: Sort of
(2:38:03 AM) spies8jenny: Except of votes instead of alignments.
(2:38:15 AM) spies8jenny: This is kind of bad, now that we got these nominations.
(2:38:46 AM) spies8owen: I was expecting a few more options with the latest tally that was up.
(2:39:07 AM) spies8jenny: We can't just throw votes around like crazy with how this is set up.
(2:39:14 AM) spies8jenny: Yeah so were we.

Episode 5 -

(12:17:14 AM) spies8jenny: Anyways, after tonight I think I'm willing to agree that Stephi isn't a spy.
Either Isaac voted for Stephi, to explain the lack of tie, or the spies used the fog to push her into the third spot.
Either way, that doesn't make sense happening if she's a spy.

(1:19:01 AM) spies8jenny: You just missed Dane by the way.
(1:19:06 AM) spies8owen: Oh, fun.
(1:19:10 AM) spies8owen: Was he fighting as always?
(1:19:11 AM) spies8jenny: He just logged off because he was getting sick of trying to argue with Spice.
(1:19:26 AM) spies8owen: I'm surprised he came on AIM.
(1:19:27 AM) spies8jenny: About the points you just walked in on.
(1:20:18 AM) spies8jenny: I'll go ahead and update the log again so you can see.
(1:20:28 AM) spies8jenny: Since you kind of walked in right as I started my rage.
(1:23:18 AM) spies8jenny: Updated it so you can see.
(1:23:43 AM) spies8owen: Thank you.
(1:24:03 AM) spies8jenny: Sorry about the lousy timing of you walking in there.
(1:27:38 AM) spies8owen: Dane is moving up a bit for me.
(1:28:00 AM) spies8jenny: As a spy you mean? How come?
(1:28:16 AM) spies8owen: He seems to avoid AIM. When he comes on, all he does is fight.
(1:28:34 AM) spies8owen: He questions people in simple ways like "who would you vote between?"
(1:28:47 AM) spies8owen: I just don't see him doing much.
(1:28:49 AM) spies8owen: Other than fighting.
(1:29:59 AM) spies8jenny: I might agree with that, but considering how wonderfully that train of thought went with Harold last time, that's not going to do much for me this time around.
(1:30:33 AM) spies8jenny: Especially since I've always had suspicions that they're the same person anyways.

(2:34:06 AM) spies8owen: What exactly set you off?
(2:34:32 AM) spies8owen: Nvm.
(2:34:33 AM) spies8owen: Cinn.
(2:35:02 AM) spies8owen: She mentioned you not saving Sav the other night.
(2:35:09 AM) spies8owen: I told her that you DID try to patch things up with Sav and I.
(2:35:13 AM) spies8jenny: I've been hearing this nonsense ever since that exile happened about "Oh, I shouldn't have said Al's claim, he wasn't in danger, why didn't I try to help the others if I thought they were cit" and I'm flattered that they think I'm that much of a great speaking, but what in blazes do these people think I was going to be able to do?
(2:35:17 AM) spies8owen: Told me when she was on so we could work things out, etc.
(2:35:25 AM) spies8owen: I just said you didn't really PUSH for an alternative.
(2:35:26 AM) spies8owen: Which is true.
(2:36:32 AM) spies8jenny: Because, yeah that was going to happen. I was going to be able to get people to completely change their minds on not one, not two, but three people in about an hour from practically nothing.
(2:37:02 AM) spies8owen: I don't think you alone were going to be able to change the vote.
(2:37:04 AM) spies8owen: Agreed.
(2:37:07 AM) spies8jenny: Unless Sam was about to give me 3 investigative results, that was not happening.
(2:38:07 AM) spies8jenny: And yet, that's what everyone seems to think I should have been able to accomplish, and then try to say I'm suspicious because I'm not a bloody miracle worker.
(2:39:01 AM) spies8owen: It's definitely not something I suspect you for. My reasons for suspecting you is admittedly playstyle.
(2:39:38 AM) spies8owen: Which as you saw last time, wasn't enough to lynch you.
(2:39:44 AM) spies8jenny: At the very least, Hammy comes to mind with that one, and I know there are others with that as well besides Spice.
(2:39:55 AM) spies8owen: It would have felt wrong lynching someone on playstyle when there's someone who is doing scummy things.
(2:41:38 AM) spies8owen: Because, by god, I've looked for stuff on you -- and it always comes back to playstyle.
(2:41:42 AM) spies8jenny: Which is why I don't really see you being a spy at all. The whole thing with the spy messenger, and that being a really good time to get rid of a citizen, without getting much of the blame, and then picking a spy anyways, unless you're trey I don't see that happening from a spy.
(2:41:52 AM) spies8owen: LOL
(2:42:15 AM) spies8owen: Trey reference is what cracked me up.

(2:24:54 AM) spies8owen: What are your thoughts on Broderick?
(2:25:16 AM) spies8owen: I feel like he's doing a 180 for me.
(2:25:28 AM) spies8jenny: I keep flipping with him right now. Sometimes he'll say something that makes me think he's a cit, and then 5 minutes later he'll say something that makes me shoot the other way.
(2:25:31 AM) spies8owen: At first I'm thinking "he asks questions, good"
(2:25:43 AM) spies8owen: Sometimes I think "he's pressuring people into slipups"
(2:25:50 AM) spies8owen: Blah.
(2:26:04 AM) spies8owen: Town players, too.
(2:26:44 AM) spies8owen: And he's one of the only ones that wasn't TOO suspicious of Isaac, but made sure to keep him in his "looking at" category.
(2:26:57 AM) spies8owen: And told me how distasteful it would be to lynch him.
(2:27:14 AM) spies8jenny: Because of him being gone?
(2:27:22 AM) spies8owen: I'm sorry, I know it's a horrible situation, but if I think he's a spy, it's not distasteful.
(2:27:37 AM) spies8owen: If I voted him out because I didn't like him while this was happening and he wasn't here to defend himself, that's distasteful.
(2:27:44 AM) spies8jenny: Think of it as revenge for doing it to Ni-Ni right?
(2:27:50 AM) spies8jenny:
(2:28:01 AM) spies8owen: Good call. She wasn't gonna be around to do anything.
(2:28:53 AM) spies8owen: Also, if the Magalie/Isaac connection was there as others are saying (I have to look more into it)
(2:29:02 AM) spies8owen: I think Brod connects a bit to it as well.
(2:29:11 AM) spies8owen: He didn't vote Magalie in the revote.
(2:29:25 AM) spies8jenny: And then there's always his stone impersonation.
(2:29:41 AM) spies8jenny: That whole "Spies are just sure to win this" remark
(2:29:50 AM) spies8owen: Hated that.


(2:53:27 PM) spies8jenny: At work, but it's rather slow right now. So I might as well be getting paid to play spies right now.
(2:53:46 PM) spies8jenny: Dane is rather upset with Mary as you can see.
(2:54:46 PM) spies8jenny: Apparently Mary didn't want to talk to him when he was trying to ask her questions about things earlier, and then went "Fine if she doesn't want to discuss anything with me I won't give her the option."
(2:55:09 PM) spies8jenny: Hopefully he'll let it drop later, since that's never a good long term plan.
(2:55:24 PM) spies8jenny: But I'm really not sure why Mary would be refusing to talk to Dane.
(2:57:07 PM) spies8jenny: Maybe you can talk with her and see what's going on there.

(3:37:30 PM) spies8owen: *adds another person to the list of people who Dane has fought with*
(3:38:28 PM) spies8owen: You'd think he has the task of getting into altercations.
(3:39:00 PM) spies8jenny: I think that's just the way he is though, like how Ni-Ni could be incredibly stubborn about things.
(4:14:32 PM) spies8jenny: On the bright side, at least it's with several people, and not just one specific person for 5 episodes.

(10:16:38 PM) spies8jenny: Did you see who just got their vote back?
(10:16:46 PM) spies8owen: Unfortunately.
(10:17:03 PM) spies8jenny: Oy.
(10:17:03 PM) spies8owen: Breathe in, breathe out.
(10:21:50 PM) spies8owen: She was the one clear name I had in my head at the moment to get nominated.
(10:22:18 PM) spies8owen: Otherwise, I'm unsure how to approach all of this.
(10:22:40 PM) spies8jenny: Well she can still get nominated.
(10:22:46 PM) spies8jenny: It's not like her getting a vote changes that.
(10:22:51 PM) spies8owen: Yep, and is only gonna be 1/5th of the vote.
(10:23:18 PM) spies8owen: Has anyone had any theories about why she was given the vote?
(10:23:34 PM) spies8owen: It makes sense they'd give it to her regardless of her alignment.
(10:24:00 PM) spies8jenny: Well my own theories are that either she's a spy and figure nobody will call on it, or that the spies are hoping she'll end up exiling herself.

(11:33:03 PM) spies8owen: I've been extremely calm and quiet about how much they irk me, but I'm not sure how much longer I can do that.
(11:33:39 PM) spies8owen: Broderick is a borderline bully who likes to get our spirits down and Dane is so immmature that he has to block people.
(11:33:42 PM) spies8owen: I can't deal.
(11:36:42 PM) spies8owen: I'm expecting a 16pt font all caps rant from myself soon.
(11:37:48 PM) spies8jenny: Dane I can understand a little of his frustration from at the time, since Mary apparently expected him to be willing to talk about suspects, after refusing to say so herself at the time.
Worth blocking over? Not really, but I can see why it'd be a little annoying.
(11:38:21 PM) spies8owen: Apparently Dane had avoided telling her stuff previously.
(11:38:28 PM) spies8owen: So she was wary of saying anything since imprisonment was coming up.
(11:39:12 PM) spies8jenny: Well it looks like the two of them have more or less worked it out now, which is good.



(9:27:32 PM) spies8jenny: Spent a while arguing with Claude earlier the difference between inactives and lurkers.
(9:27:57 PM) spies8jenny: Get this, he thought it was bad of Lucky to say he wanted to watch for lurkers, and show examples of the past couple games as to why.
(9:27:58 PM) spies8jenny: *sigh*
(9:28:14 PM) spies8jenny: In fact he even went as far to say that he would have prefered if Lucky HADN'T showen examples.
(9:28:18 PM) spies8jenny: Just....
(9:28:24 PM) spies8jenny: Come on.
(9:28:45 PM) spies8owen: Claude approached me about Chance yesterday
(9:28:54 PM) spies8owen: I said I didn't suspect him much, think that they're tunneling on each other, etc.
(9:29:06 PM) spies8owen: He says he doubts that and that I'd find Chance scummy if I was with him earlier when he was doing scummy things.
(9:29:10 PM) spies8owen: Then fails to give any examples.
(9:29:15 PM) spies8owen: And changes the subject.
(9:29:20 PM) spies8jenny: Claude moreso, Lucky doesn't suspect Claude as much lately, and is just yelling about Claude's arguments on him.
(9:29:35 PM) spies8owen: Nobody that's on Chance has ever come to me with reasons as to why he's scummy.
(9:29:53 PM) spies8jenny: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DRA4NAwu-0
Claude's theme song.
(9:29:54 PM) spies8owen: I feel like he's being made an easy target.
(9:30:24 PM) spies8owen: Hahahahaha.
(9:32:31 PM) spies8jenny: Seriously, I'm just waiting for Lucky to come up town, and then ask him what the heck he's been doing all game then.
(9:33:32 PM) spies8jenny: Course to be fair, that could easily be Hammy's theme song too. Claude's at least brought up other people while tunneling Lucky.
(9:34:28 PM) spies8owen: I've heard Hammy bring up people other than you.
(9:34:38 PM) spies8jenny: I haven't really.
(9:34:43 PM) spies8owen: Allan. (who is connected to you)
(9:34:45 PM) spies8owen: But still
(9:34:58 PM) spies8jenny: Oh yeah, he's brought him up simply because he kept Hammy from voting me.
(9:35:09 PM) spies8jenny: And that's about it as far as I know.



(11:25:50 PM) spies8owen: Do you think you'll be winning your vote back?
(11:28:43 PM) spies8jenny: Possibly. This is certainly my kind of challenge, but if it'll actually happen is another thing.
(11:30:34 PM) spies8owen: Yeah, I was thinking you have a good shot at winning it.
(11:30:45 PM) spies8owen: Did Dane allow you to talk to him?
(11:30:50 PM) spies8owen: I know he wouldn't talk to Cory.
(11:31:17 PM) spies8jenny: Yeah I got a chat with him.
(11:31:42 PM) spies8owen: Was he bitching about someone the whole time?
(11:31:58 PM) spies8jenny: We tend to have normal conversations actually.
(11:32:04 PM) spies8owen: "Tell Mary she's a biatch!"
(11:32:11 PM) spies8owen: "She's pale as hell and I'm blocking her forever."
(11:32:38 PM) spies8owen: Interesting. He only has IM'ed me to compain about Mary.
(11:32:38 PM) spies8jenny: Believe it or not, most of the time our chats are fairly normal.
(11:33:37 PM) spies8jenny: Like I've said before, I think he's a cit that doesn't realize how abrasive he can be at times. If you're able to talk to him when it's not an argument, it's rather civil actually.

(11:38:42 PM) spies8jenny: So, just for a change of pace.
(11:38:48 PM) spies8jenny: What's your thinking on Hali?
(11:39:02 PM) spies8owen: I'd lean towards a town read.
(11:39:10 PM) spies8owen: Based on our one and only conversation.
(11:39:18 PM) spies8owen: We had a lot of similar thoughts.
(11:39:41 PM) spies8owen: Haven't seen or heard of anything overly suspicious from him.
(11:39:55 PM) spies8owen: How about you?
(11:40:47 PM) spies8jenny: Same here for the most part. Only real thing to bring up might be the chat he and Dane had when the two of them were discussing why Hali was suspicious of me. Haven't seen him on very often though.
(11:42:21 PM) spies8owen: I don't see him on often. Seems like he's more a day-time chatter.
(7/12/2010 12:19:43 AM) spies8jenny: Ugh, I wish the results would come up already.
(12:20:06 AM) spies8jenny: ... Oh hey they just did.
I should have said something sooner, would have come up faster.

(1:23:04 AM) spies8jenny: Who are you thinking for the vote?
(1:24:38 AM) spies8owen: Magalie and Rondak are my most likely choices.
(1:24:51 AM) spies8owen: I don't feel comofortable lynching Chance.
(1:25:11 AM) spies8owen: And I haven't really been too suspicious of Gertrude.
(1:25:52 AM) spies8jenny: I think it's probably safe to say it won't be Gerty.
(1:26:27 AM) spies8jenny: And with any of the other three, stuff is bound to explode from it afterwards.
(1:27:16 AM) spies8owen: I feel like people are going to want to pressure me into Chance.
(1:27:24 AM) spies8owen: And I'm not really feeling it.
(1:27:35 AM) spies8jenny: I don't really think it's him either right now.
(1:27:51 AM) spies8owen: His case didn't trigger a "omg, he's a spy" reaction from me.
(1:28:03 AM) spies8owen: Parts of Gertis case on Rondak did that to me.
(1:28:15 AM) spies8owen: And Magalie is a gigantic ball of WIFOM
(1:28:31 AM) spies8owen: We won't have an idea of what her alignment is until she's lynched.
(1:29:23 AM) spies8jenny: With any luck, we'll only have 4 spies left after this, but even if we get a misfire, we're bound to have more to go off of.
(1:29:41 AM) spies8jenny: Since most of these people are ones that have been rather emotional shall we say.

(1:58:34 AM) spies8jenny: So, turning the discussion back to Spies for a minute.
It sounds like Spice is going with you on Maggie.
(1:59:10 AM) spies8owen: I believe Cory will as well.
(1:59:27 AM) spies8owen: Mary was pushing Chance hard.
(2:00:10 AM) spies8owen: She brought up good things about his day 1 actions.
(2:00:50 AM) spies8owen: I'm just not sold on it. Other than her (and Claude's case) I haven't heard a lot of things from the people that do suspect him.
(2:02:03 AM) spies8jenny: I really don't see why Claude thinks he's topped everyone's lists.


Episode 6 -

(12:30:06 AM) spies8owen: I think Sam should extend my immunity another round.
(12:30:09 AM) spies8owen: For a job well done.
(12:30:31 AM) spies8jenny: In fact you know what, let's just skip over the imprisonment entierly. The spies were too busy being glad to be rid of Maggie to bother with one.
(12:30:43 AM) spies8owen: We can just keep lynching. That'd be fun.
(12:31:10 AM) spies8jenny: In fact, the spies are so grateful to us for not having to deal with her anymore, they all surrender peacefully as a sign of thanks.

(12:21:37 PM) spies8jenny: Anyways, Kitty.
(12:21:51 PM) spies8jenny: I'm not really sure on her, mostly since she's always away when I try to talk to her.
(12:22:55 PM) spies8owen: I just realized that we had spoken once since then, but before that, I had thought our last conversation was this:

(12:03:33 AM) spies8kiara: i just want it on record that if you end up being a spy i will hate you when this is all over lol!
(12:23:08 PM) spies8owen: I've been thinking that if she trusted me more as a cit, we'd talk more.
(12:23:35 PM) spies8owen: She had to trust me a little to give me the power.
(12:24:16 PM) spies8owen: Only one conversation since that small bit. Basically me freaking out about the decision.
(12:25:32 PM) spies8owen: Otherwise, she pushed Themba from the second she got in the game. Her and Steph. Now it's Claude and Allan, apparently.
(12:25:41 PM) spies8owen: Seems like a slight fixation on roleholders.
(12:27:22 PM) spies8owen: I don't understand how the Claude pushers are still going after him hard after Isaac flipped. Just look at the exile 1 vote. All Camilla would have had to do was vote Claude and he could have easily gone. Bussing a spy roleholder as a spy in a close vote? EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Big fat EHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
*says her internet died*

(7:17:36 PM) spies8jenny: So now we got 4 people in the senate.
(7:17:41 PM) spies8jenny: 5 once the picture thing is done.
(7:18:20 PM) spies8owen: And I trust... only one of them! Great.
(7:18:31 PM) spies8jenny: That's lovely.
(7:18:36 PM) spies8owen: Cory, of course.
(7:18:47 PM) spies8jenny: I figured.

(9:33:05 PM) spies8owen: I was looking at Dane/Brod/Kiara. Considering now I can only vote 1 of those, I guess it'd be wise to focus on Kiara at the moment.
(9:33:21 PM) spies8jenny: Dane?
(9:33:24 PM) spies8owen: Yep.
(9:33:30 PM) spies8owen: My theory now is that we have WIFOM spies.
(9:33:36 PM) spies8owen: Look at Magalie getting her vote back.
(9:33:42 PM) spies8jenny: Oh I see what you're saying now.
(9:33:44 PM) spies8owen: Now look at Dane's PUBLIC bribe.
(9:33:49 PM) spies8jenny: I thought you were saying your vote was between those three.
(9:33:55 PM) spies8owen: Ahhh.
(9:35:02 PM) spies8jenny: Ok anyways, what about them?
(9:37:26 PM) spies8owen: Brod: Twisting words/creating too much pressure - great mislynching tools. Subtly has tried to discredit me without trying to make himself look bad (criticizing my Mary choice, taking cheap shots at the senate, etc). Most of his top suspects are people that I'm pretty sure are town.
(9:37:33 PM) spies8owen: And also, if he's a spy, he's playing the non-bus game
(9:37:47 PM) spies8owen: (1:30:28 AM) spies8broderick: Spies will bus each other. A lot more common than people seem to think.
(1:59:38 AM) spies8broderick: I disagree. Bussing is not rare, and it happens more often than people think it does.
(9:37:59 PM) spies8owen: And after Magalie's flip.
(9:38:00 PM) spies8owen: [23:01] spies8broderick: She probably messed up, then didn't know how to get herself out of it. So her spypals most likely turned on her as a sacrifice

(9:39:48 PM) spies8owen: Dane: AIM avoidance. Fighting when he comes on. WIFOM/Bribe theory. IMO, has kinda fallen back a bit since being "cleared" by Alexei.
(9:41:06 PM) spies8owen: Kiara: Talked to her once since giving me the power (if I trusted someone with a power that big, I'd be talking to them more as a cit). One of the last conversations I had with her seemed so disingenious. "You better not a spy or I'll hate you after this LOL!" or something along those lines. She's fixated on voting for roleholders (Claude, Allan).
(9:41:09 PM) spies8owen: And that's about it.
(9:41:32 PM) spies8owen: Opinions?
(9:43:20 PM) spies8jenny: Dane I've found has been more agreeable when I talk with him in private. I was kind of talking about it with someone earlier actually, when someone brought up how him and Ricky both get in fights a lot.

Ricky gets into fights a lot mainly from coming off as arrogant or haughty, while Dane seems to get into his fights by disagreeing with someone about a point and blitzing them on it.
(9:47:03 PM) spies8owen: I'd agree to that, for sure. Minus the talking in private thing. Wouldn't know.
(9:47:29 PM) spies8owen: All he's ever done in private with me is bitch about Mary.
(9:48:04 PM) spies8jenny: Try talking with him first, see what happens.
(9:48:10 PM) spies8owen: Fair enough.
(9:48:13 PM) spies8owen: Thoughts on the other stuff?
(9:48:49 PM) spies8jenny: I do agree with you about this game being in love with princess bride.
(9:49:13 PM) spies8owen: WIFOM HATEEEEE.
(9:49:19 PM) spies8owen: WIFOM is bad, people. BAD.
(9:49:24 PM) spies8owen: Ignore it.
(9:49:27 PM) spies8jenny: Not to mention pointless.
(9:49:37 PM) spies8jenny: Only time it really even happens is when it's called bussing.
(9:50:05 PM) spies8jenny: Every other time it's come up in strategizing, I can almost guarentee it's "they'll pass it off as" rather then actual wifom.
(9:50:23 PM) spies8owen: Like Magalie getting her vote back.
(9:50:55 PM) spies8owen: Does make me wonder if there's other spies on there.
(9:51:05 PM) spies8owen: Hoping that Magalie would stick around and they would soon dictate the vote.
(9:51:36 PM) spies8jenny: I said it to Hammy earlier, but there is no way they could have expected Maggie to sway anybody as far as votes go.
(9:52:05 PM) spies8jenny: And there has to be at least one other person in their team they could have passed off as wifom that would be able to have more influence.
(9:52:09 PM) spies8owen: I'm thinking Ronnie may have been up there as a mislynch option. I know I was heavily considering him at the time.
(9:52:45 PM) spies8owen: Until I reread conversations with him and realized he asked me the question about if the spies had their own forum and such.
(9:53:07 PM) spies8owen: And I was the one that informed him how it worked.
(9:53:29 PM) spies8owen: And that in past seasons spies could talk on AIM.
(9:53:30 PM) spies8jenny: Yeah I think I helped explain the HQ thing to him as well when it came up with Zeddy.
(10:04:00 PM) spies8jenny: You know, something just occured to me talking with Spice.
(10:04:18 PM) spies8jenny: She brought up Gerty's immunity, and I realized we at least know now that the power can be reused on people.
(10:10:09 PM) spies8jenny: Something to keep in mind.
(10:10:16 PM) spies8jenny: Wonder if there's another limitation on it.


(2:20:09 AM) spies8owen: How do you feel about Steph these days?
(2:20:57 AM) spies8jenny: Steph? Well I backed off her a bit after that whole vote fog mess, but lately it's like she wants me to put my vote back on her with stuff that comes up.
(2:21:58 AM) spies8owen: What has come up with her?
(2:22:09 AM) spies8owen: Haven't noticed anything. Admittedly could be because I've got a solid town read on her.
(2:23:35 AM) spies8jenny: Well mostly more completely ridiculous comments, such as one tonight that admittedly is just stupid anot not to do with alignment.

We were talking about bolding votes in the topic?
(2:23:37 AM) spies8jenny: 23:01] spies8stephanie: how do you know what's in my confessional clause
[23:01] spies8claude: ...
[23:01] spies8jenny: ...
[23:01] Spies8Awohali: He has seen it with his own eyes.
[23:01] spies8jenny: *sigh*
[23:02] Spies8Awohali: I did not see the dots when I pressed enter.
[23:02] spies8claude: Is that a real question?
[23:02] Spies8Awohali: ...
[23:02] spies8stephanie: no just a crazy steph question
[23:02] spies8jenny: I showed it to Lucky. He says
[23:02] spies8chance: ....
[23:02] spies8claude: I meant that everyone puts their votes into their confessional.
(2:25:39 AM) spies8owen: Oh, she meant Claude.
(2:25:45 AM) spies8owen: Not clause.
(2:25:48 AM) spies8owen: Didn't get that at first.
(2:25:50 AM) spies8jenny: Right.
(2:26:37 AM) spies8owen: Is a pretty typical Steph convo.
(2:27:08 AM) spies8owen: She oozes town to me. But, there's always the outside shot that she's an amazing actress.
(2:27:18 AM) spies8jenny: Just looking at vote stuff.
(2:27:59 AM) spies8jenny: Was eventually on Maggie during the 3rd exile, but in the one where Maggie actually gets exiled in, she goes with Lucky.

Course with nominations the way they are, might have felt she had enough, not really enough information from that alone.
(2:28:59 AM) spies8owen: Her vote on Magalie was strictly based on thinking Themba was town. Covered that with her.
(2:29:08 AM) spies8jenny: That much I know
(2:45:11 AM) spies8jenny: Alright I got about 4 days of work coming up in the morning, so I'll see you tomorrow.

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1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons?

Like I've told other people, I've mostly been trying to narrow the list down by figuring out who makes the most sense as a citizen and working from there. If I did have to pick a few people, I'd go with Zeddy, Stephi, and maybe Maggie.

I honestly didn't get a chance to look into the republican side very much episode, so maybe he's gotten better since I last saw him, but last I did see him, he could barely answer simple questions without falling apart, seemed to get sidetracked really easily, and would bring up things that really didn't help much of anything (like saying that Lexi could be a spy, the day after he's exiled.)

Stephi I'm looking at a bit, because some of her reasons for wanting to vote people during the second exile seemed really weird. Being suspicious of Rondie for example because he had to ask again about what bussing was, for example, just sounded like she was trying to find a reason to have a suspicion on him.

Maggie, as I'm sure you've heard by now has been incredibly useless. Everyone on the Democrats warned as such when we first got there, and she soon proved it true in the short time we were there. In just about every way you can imagine. Barely shows up in the Burg, barely shows up on AIM, when she is around she tended to just insult people who disagreed with her, blatently copied other people's suspicions, it was just unbelievable.

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?

I wouldn't say fell off my radar really. Claude I'm trying to decide what his deal is, and Rondie I'm hoping to get more information out of when he's around again, but there's other people I'd like to see more on first.

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?

The only ones I know about are Claude, and the one I brought up. Obviously I'm not suspicious of my own actions, and I don't think Al is a spy for now. Claude.... just... Claude. What the heck is up with him. His role could be a spy role, but I'm waiting to see how he uses it before being sure. Although I wish he'd do something besides try to force the issue on Lucky.

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.

Assuming we knew what the power was ahead of time, not just a general "ultimate power" description?

Honestly, I'd have picked myself.

After last week, where we had the top three cases all be on people I thought were cits (and so far with good reason it seems,) and then yesterday when Themby got picked over Maggie, I wouldn't have minded having the power so we could exile someone I think is suspicious this time around. It's slightly obnoxious when three of your favorite people to talk to get taken away in some form in a row.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.

Hmm. I dunno really. Possibly Lucky, just so that we could get Claude to shut up already about him one way or the other. Possibly Stephi, so I could see if I'm on the right track with her. It would have to be someone that there is at least serious talk about, so that we either don't waste an exile on a bad suspicion, or can make sure nobody has a reason not to vote for a spy that came up.

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?

Kind of misleading, since it's still restricted by nominations, but assuming that we didn't have to worry about that? I would probably go for one of the people I said in the first question, but I'm not sure which way I'd fall right this second. I'd probably pick either Zeddy or Stephi-kins over Maggie though.

7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.

Because I'm a cit?

Okies, serious reasons. I know people seem to be worried about how Al's roleclaim came out, but if I was a spy, I would have just let him get himself exiled, and nobody would have been the wiser in the end. Not even Ni-Ni because Al actually asked me about what I thought about his idea to claim to Ni-Ni to try to make up with her before he went through with it. I could just have easily told him that he needed to keep it between us for the time being, and then kept my mouth shut when vote started to pile up on him when he wasn't even online, even put a vote on him myself since he certainly wasn't doing himself any favors that day and wasn't around to be able to call me out on it. Nobody would have even been the wiser that he ever had anything, and no imprisonment needed.

Other then that, only things I really have is stuff like being able to ask me stuff if you're ever worried about me for something, and not just sheeping onto what look like easy votes when I don't agree with them. If there's something in particular you want to know about though, feel free to ask!

[Owen]

In case I out roles upon coming back:

Cory claims doc to me: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=owen9984&thread=827&page=1#4492

Chance & Gert Claim to me: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=owen9984&thread=951&page=1#5308

Change & Gert claim to Cory: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=owen9984&thread=951&page=2#5883 & spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=owen9984&thread=951&page=2#5886

Gert & Chance claim to Tina: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=owen9984&thread=951&page=3#6042 & spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=owen9984&thread=951&page=3#6043

Gert claims to Claude: spies8.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=owen9984&thread=1080&page=1#6983

[Owen]

Jenuinely not jenvious of her position.

[Owen]

Attempt at being nice to Broderick in PM response, take 1:

I went back and forth between putting Awohali or Dane at the top of my list before going away. Would be a lie if I didn't say that the main thing that I had on Awo was a strong gut feeling. Not the strongest of reasonings, but it's done well for me thus far.

My first conversation with Awo left me feeling good about him, as he seemed to agree with a lot of the things I was saying and also brought up good points of his own. However, our second conversation was initiated by me after it was brought to my attention that he was looking for me in the chat. His attitude when I IMed him seemed to change, and he soon began sympathizing with me about how I was feeling about the game. To me, it felt like he was trying to buddy up to me (something that spies do to citizens quite often) all of a sudden. There was definitely some flattery when it came to Awo.

Part of the reason that I've been suspicious of both him and yourself is because I've felt like you've both (perhaps indirectly or unintentionally) said things that could try to put doubt on me. My thinking is that nobody has really suspected me & I've lynched well -- I should probably be dead by now. Therefor, those who have done things that could subtly put suspicion would be the ones keeping me around for a mislynch later on. The players that I have mutual trust in being imprisoned left and right also goes along with this line of thinking. Those who I have felt have said things that could put suspicion on me are Claude, Awo, and yourself. Claude by using his role on me, Awo by constantly questioning why a senate member wouldn't be in the chat (though, now I could see this being his attempt to get me to IM him as part of his role), and you by saying there was something fishy about my selection of Mary & saying that the senate members refuse to share their thoughts. If Awo is to be believed, which he almost 100% should be, then it's time for me to reassess or ditch that theory since Jenny doesn't fit the profile at all.

If I was around for the claim, not exactly sure what I would have done considering I went through a last minute claim last time and didn't feel good about my decision during and afterwards. Clearly he wasn't someone that I trusted, so I would have been skeptical. Since he's flipped town, unless he's completely suicidal (lying) and wasn't thinking about the consequences if Jenny was to come up town, it obviously should be believed. I don't see him as a troll or an asshole out to sabotage the game, so we should be getting great information out of this.

To sum it up: placed him at the top of my list when going away; strong gut feeling from the general vibe I got from him. felt it was plausible that he was putting suspicion on me for a mislynch. felt like he was a possible Magalie busser, being on her but not when it mattered.

Also, I've mentioned the subtly putting doubt in me theory to others, but I'm almost positive I've never said it to Cinnamyn. She could have come up with it on her own, but it's much easier for me to think that than her, since she shouldn't be sure of my alignment if she's town. Not exactly a theory I think someone that shouldn't be sure of my alignment would come up with their own. If I did mention it to her, it explains it, but I don't recall speaking to her in the past few rounds. Otherwise, it's odd, or she heard it secondhand -- in that case, it definitely could have been from Jenny. Definitely something to look into.

I'll be back after the break.

[Owen]

I just found this epic quote while looking at past convos:

(11:13:13 PM) spies8owen: Claude actually has a lot of solid thoughts when they're not directed all towards Chance.
(11:13:24 PM) spies8owen: Still haven't talked to Chance.
(11:13:59 PM) spies8cinnamyn: datz wut makez it worse about claude, cuz he cud help us if he really tried
(11:14:33 PM) spies8owen: I feel the same way about Jenny, lmao.
(11:14:41 PM) spies8owen: I feel like she's got so much more to offer than what she's put out there.
(11:14:55 PM) spies8owen: It's bothersome.
(11:15:00 PM) spies8cinnamyn: i am considerin' a jenny vote rite now
(11:15:02 PM) spies8cinnamyn: strongly
(11:15:29 PM) spies8owen: My vote ultimately will probably go between Isaac, Mags, Jenny.
(11:15:57 PM) spies8owen: I'm still not believing a lot of stuff Isaac says.
(11:16:22 PM) spies8owen: People can say whatever they want to appear cit, but it's a matter of them actually thinking the things they're saying that is important.
(11:16:27 PM) spies8owen: I don't think he believes what he says.
(11:16:57 PM) spies8cinnamyn: hiz vote 4 jasmine wuz totally whack
(11:17:01 PM) spies8cinnamyn: i dont even no wut it meant



I AM THE BIGGEST BUSSER EVERRRRRRR. YEAH, YOU HEARD ME, TREY.

[Owen]

I told Gertrude she should protect me via PM, btw. I guess I'm a sucker for high blood sugars, but I think that if I stay I have a chance at taking out a few more spies before they kill me. Have to finish what I've started.

[Owen]

PM sent to Broderick. I really wish I could get along with him, and I'm going to attempt to, but something tells me that his attitude is never going to change. I think if the two of us could work together while still putting a little suspicion on each other, we could do some damage. That is, if he's town. And that is, if he could eject the pole from his ass.

If this Jenny stuff is legit, I don't see Brod linking to her. If the Jenny stuff isn't legit, Awohali can rot in Spies hell alongside Cassidy.

[Owen]

I wrote this entire PM without getting angry at Broderick. Improvement!:

Not a problem, I appreciate the response as well. If you and I could keep up with the being civilized shit, I really think it would benefit everyone but the spies.

Did anyone who was at the Exile, know this? I think if this was known it would of supported his claim - that others had to initiate the conversation with him, for it to count towards his 150.

Cory knew, we discussed everything (we shared the same gut suspicion of Awo). The main person that was telling me that Awohali was looking for me was Jenny. Just checked said conversation and she knew that Awo and I had talked after that. Those are the only two I can recall knowing for sure; one of them is dead, the other is the target of said role. Not gonna get any support there, unfortunately.

I've not intentionally tried to put doubt on you - not in the sense that I'm saving you for a mislynch later. I'm not a spy. From my perspective you were part of the Alexei lynch. Which seemed to create a tight bond between yourself and Tina. Since quite often when I was talking with her, she would refer to discussing some thing with you. There was also the Episode three thing concerning Lawrence's possibly spyslip catch of Isaac/Themba. I recall the two of us talking about it - then Tina IMed me I think the Day after. So, either Lawrence told her (which I doubt,) or you did. Which added to my idea that you two were quite 'close', if you will.

Spies is a game of doubt and the unknown, so as town I completely expect you to have doubt in people, even me. Thus why my whole imprisonment theory needs to be reworked or thrown away. Especially considering the fact that I've suspected Jenny very heavily in the past and I'm still around... and she's defended me... and been nice to me and tried to cheer me up when I've been at my low points.

As far as the possible Isaac/Themba slip getting to Tina through me, you're correct. I had shared this with both Gabe and Tina after I found it and we had decided to keep it under wraps for the time being so that they wouldn't be able to backtrack if something were to come out of it. I think I even told you about that when you told me that Lawrence had mentioned it to you.

In regards to your picking of Mary. I guessed that you would pick either Tina or Mary - because I knew you and Tina were close. The only reason I said Mary was that you made a comment about joking around with her - which would of happened in a private chat. Typically people who joke around with each other, have had a few conversations. It turned out to be right. When I found out that you and Mary had just had your first conversation that episode - I found it rather suspicious. Then I thought perhaps Mary was the Doctor and she revealed to you. I believed I dropped it after thinking that - which Cory IMed me not long after bringing it up, and kind of solidified my thinking.

As you picked up on, Tina and I were very close by that point, so she would be an obvious choice. The thing is, we both thought that if she was to get her vote back it would make it even more likely that she'd be imprisoned. The next choice would have been Cory, who was in fact the doctor (I'll get more into this in a second). Picking him may have sent up some red flags and put him in danger. I talked this over with both Cory and Tina while I was making my choice, and they both agreed that Mary would be a good choice because of how of strongly against Isaac she was.

Back onto Cory: he claimed to me July 3rd/4th (depending on timezones). I was a bit skeptical at first, but everything matched up and made sense quickly.

Doctor facts:
- Saved GABE (shocker) Imprisonment 2. got lucky picking someone he felt was a fun/smart character from the other team.
- Lost saving power after Gabe was saved. The one thing I hate about Sam's doctor roles.
- Claimed to Nita after team switch & Gabe's death.
- Claimed to me after I became dictator.
- Has claimed to others since, Stephanie didn't believe it at all. That's how the entire "apologize to me after I come up town" thing started with Cory/Steph.

The original claim to me came up RIGHT before the (most likely) fake Savannah messages saying that Gabe was the doctor and saved Nita. If Gabe was the doctor and saved Nita, he would have claimed to Nita. I know Nita was 3rd party, but I feel like if Cory had claimed to her and said that he saved Gabe, Nita would have known that wasn't true and outed it. She may not have, but for some reason I rarely ever had doubt in all of it. I think it would have been way too risky for him to claim a role that's possibly still in the game in the hands of another player to me. Even though he didn't have his saving powers anymore, it was nice to have someone that I could trust/work with, so it stayed between us for a round, then slowly between the people that we trusted at the time.

We considered going public with it, but Cory wasn't in danger of being lynched and was trying to lay low for a while so he wouldn't be imprisoned.

I'm sure you'll have other questions about it, but I'll move on for now.

I have suspected you, for multiple reasons. Mostly discussed with Cory, Claude, and a little bit to Lawrence because he asked. Cory brought up good points on you not being Imprisoned over Tina - because you don't make cases. which makes you look suspicious none the less. You don't make cases, at least that I've seen publicly for awhile. You don't exactly discuss with every player in the game - even though it is clear that there is a large portion of players who seem to want to bow to you because of the Dictatorship and etcetera. Also the fact that Cory explicitly told me that you would never be exiled.

Fair enough. The imprisonment that Tina went, the two of us were fairly positive that it would come down to us. We went back and forth with wanting to stay and wanting the other to be safe. The reason I wanted Tina to stay is one of the things you said, because she was always making cases. I've never been much of a big case builder and I admittedly have moments where I'm very lazy, while Tina was always putting things together and didn't seem to have a lazy bone in her body. I think more people were suspicious of Tina than they were of me though, so I thought that would have been a point against me come imprisonment.

As far as my not building cases is concerned -- I think that I've still had some solid posts. Most recently was my post on Magalie. But overall, I'll agree that I haven't been as prominent on the boards as you'd think someone that has people "bowing down to his dictatorship" would be. That said, I really don't like when people act like they're just laying down and doing what I want because I was the dictator (Allan, mostly). I'm not the leader, nor am even A LEADER, and I don't expect or want people to look at me as such. I want people to look at me in a good light because I've helped out in the game, not because I was voted for a power. It's overwhelming and frustrating.

Cory said a couples of times to me that neither him or I would ever be lynched. I thought it was to keep our spirits up, but if he's said it to others, apparently not. I'm not so optimistic about that (as you could tell from my theory) but I would guess he said that trusting me and being sure that my actions have been genuine. Nobody is un-lynchable (see Spies3Jack).

Did Cory have a role?

What are you talking about?!

On a collective the Senate members are rather tight lipped. I even created a thread specifically for the Senators to publicly say where their vote is going - and only a few actually used it.

Was away this round and posted the previous round that I was going to be voting Magalie (and provided strong reasons). Also told people I was leaning towards Isaac.

"You're so vain. You probably think this song is about you. Don't you?"

Apparently so. My bad, assuming you didn't mean me specifically.

I think that Senators should be held accountable for their actions and voting reasons, just as much as we in the HoR are. I don't think that it should be akin to pulling teeth just to get half of the Senators to discuss openly. Because it isn't just me, but there is a clear division between HoR and Senate - not just the one drawn by Sam.

I agree that we should be held accountable just as much as the others. It's not like we're the real fucking Senate, we're all playing the same game.

There definitely is a division between the two, but that's not to say that I don't have a disconnect with people in the Senate as well. Cinnamyn and I have barely talked (perhaps because of different schedules) and I don't talk to or trust Mary as much as I'd like to for someone that I handed voting power back to. I'm digressing a bit, but there's definitely more division than just the Senate/HoR.

I'm not a fan of this twist in general and would much rather have a straight up game being played. That couldn't happen soon enough.

The most recent time I brought this up, Claude essentially admitted that he was dealing with a bunch of Behind the scenes stuff that it was hard for him to keep things straight conversation wise. Gertrude I believe said I was being an asshole about it - which I was not.

In regards to behind the scenes stuff - I suspected before Claude admitted to Jasmine and later myself.
There can be an equal balance between juggling Secrets and playing in the public eye. Like I told Claude and Gertrude - playing mafia without relying on roles has been done successfully for quite some time. So it isn't that hard to balance secret role stuff and public play - as it also has been done successfully.

There is truth behind what Claude is saying, and I assumed you figured as much from one of our last conversations when you made a comment about it. Not going to speak more on it here.

While I'm not going to get more into it, I do think the two can and should be balanced. It's easier said then done, but it's ideal. I think at this point of the game especially though, that it's more important that more people are effectively communicating.

Since you seem to be involved with this stuff - I think there are too many roles out there. Especially with them all being judged 'citizen'. Where are the spy roles?

I have thought exactly the same, even moreso now that Awohali has claimed. To me, it increases the chances that Kiara's role is fake. Claiming a role with little importance, that is unconfirmable with such a short amount of time left makes me feel a bit uneasy about it. The one thing that looked good for Kiara is that she did not claim there was a dead doctor, but there were others who knew and it easily could have gotten around, so even that could be explained.

Alexei's & Isaac's? Those are THE only two spy roles? Two roles, one of which is more personal than team? I also brought this up to Kiara. Why would Cinnamyn be bribed to give the Spies a Role block role, if Isaac's was already present (could delay a role action used on someone).

Firstly, I feel like Magalie was the spy messenger. Of course Kiara's role says otherwise, but Magalie has a lot of posts for a spy that wasn't around already (I believe you've said that somewhere as well). To my knowledge, no messages have been received since she's left.

Now, I've also thought that it doesn't seem like there's enough spy roles out there. Could be that one of these "citizen" roles is scum, could be that there's a role out there that we're completely unaware of, could be that the bribes the spies have limited the roles that they were given by Sam. It's a tough call.

Unsure about the Cinnamyn bribe. I do think it's likely that there's been spies bribed, especially considering the amount of WIFOM Magalie used. Another thing I've been wondering is if all bribes are public. If not, the ones that are being done publicly and don't offer much look pretty sketchy.

I also asked Sam if roleholders were bound by the divided teams, and he said no. Which brings into question Kiara's aspect of her role - where she could only guess the alignment of the one being exiled on her team. So *shrug*

Hadn't thought of that... good call. That doesn't exactly match up.

I believe that Awohali never would of been exiled had people been playing the game less emotionally and socially. Cinnamyn, Chance... etcetera.
Gertrude herself (I believe) only suspected Awohali because of you.
From my perspective - she wanted Dane to be nominated, then you gave her your suspect list; and she then wanted Dane & Awohali.

Not sure if emotion had too much to do with it. He was smart and appeared to be trying hard, but I've seen logical mafia before. I do think his role (if real) was a disadvantage for him as far as a social game is concerned though, since he most likely would have been hesitant to initiate conversations when they wouldn't count towards his total.

I'm almost certain that Gertrude was suspicious of Awohali before that.

As soon as Jenny signed on, she knew Awohali claimed - she came into the group chat asking about it. It was about ten seconds after she signed on. So Chance telling her that quickly?

Oh lord. Chance doing another thing that makes me want to slap myself for thinking he's town. Not sure why he would jump on her the second she got on.

Claude brought up Kiara using her role on Awohali. My only problem with this - is that you have to assume Kiara is a citizen, and trust she will tell you the truth. I also see it as a plausible door opening for spyJenny to remain here.

Like I said before, Kiara's role is unconfirmable, so that doesn't help us at all. There is absolutely NO REASON not to lynch Jenny. If we can't trust a confirmed citizen that wasn't a troll, we're fucked anyway.

Is this what you are referring to with Cinnamyn

Yep. I just found it surprising that somebody other than myself (who knows that I'm town) would think with that mindset.

I have something which I am trying to track down of where she got.
Mary told me in a group chat that Cinnamyn dropped myself and Awohali as suspects the day of Exile 6. As far as I can find - this group chat log was never posted, sadly it is missing from my own records. Which makes me question why or how Cinnamyn knew this. Mary admitted to telling a few other people, so I supposed they could of told her. However cinnamyn knew it was Mary specifically, soo.. I find this entire thing a bit fishy.

I wasn't aware that she even dropped you guys as suspects. Odd to drop someone and then come back to them the following exile.

Unless Mary is the only person Cinnamyn said that to (which seems unlikely if it was in a group chat) than it's also odd that she knows it was specifically Mary who told you.

Well, it feels like I've written a book already, but I'm glad that we're communicating better than we were before. My break was due to a medical condition I have that's worsened by stress. I'm not looking for an excuse for people to chill out with me, it's a legitimate problem that I didn't expect would be a problem (because it hasn't been one before). In short, if you and I could squash whatever bullshit we've had, it would make everything a lot easier for both of us.

And while we're at it, I'll just lay the things that I was suspicious of about you on the table:

- Forceful presence, avid questioning, some twisting of words -- both town and scum can slip up with that kind of pressure. great mislynching tools.
- Tried taking attention off of Isaac, saying it would be in poor taste to lynch him then. If I think someone is a spy, I'm going to lynch them even under bad circumstances.
- Pushed Chance @ Magalie lynch; possibly protecting Magalie.
- Made comments about spies bussing more than we'd think they would, something that would draw attention away from someone not bussing at all up until now.

(After Isaac)
(1:30:28 AM) spies8broderick: Spies will bus each other. A lot more common than people seem to think.
(1:59:38 AM) spies8broderick: I disagree. Bussing is not rare, and it happens more often than people think it does.

(On Magalie)
[23:01] spies8broderick: She probably messed up, then didn't know how to get herself out of it. So her spypals most likely turned on her as a sacrifice

Aaaaaaaaand there goes my Broderick the non-bussing spy theory if Jenny is scum.

Anyway, thought I'd put that out there for you so you can respond to those concerns. First one isn't exactly a scum-tell, but it's something I've questioned a bit.

If you don't want to respond to my 9 page essay, I shall be on AIM tomorrow (today). Probably late though.

[Owen]

Gert.

Love you, Brian. You did a great job for your first time.

But, part of me thinks that this is for the better. It's time for me to open up...

[Owen]

Something isn't right about this Jenny/Kiara situation. This kind of goes along with my thought that they're scum together.

Jenny, Dane, Cinnamyn, Kiara.

[Owen]

Gonna sign on for the first time in like a week in a few minutes. *crosses fingers* Nervous.

Before I sign, I need to convince myself to not be intimidated by Broderick. The two of us have been effectively communicating through PM the past couple of days, so AIM shouldn't be much different. I can't believe I'm resorting to working with someone that I legitimately loathed for weeks. Guess this is my Mafia moment of maturation (omgaw, alliteration).

It's getting less likely to me that he's scum, but if he is, just remember where you heard it first, people.

[Owen]

Chance is by far the dumbest person in the game, and it pains me to say that I've had to defend him up until now. If anyone should be trusting me, it's someone that I've constantly defended and put my neck on the line for. I held their secret despite the fact that it was eating me up to hide it from everyone, yet I imprisoned Gertrude now? Right, Chance. Moron.

I killed Cory too, when he was the only person that was keeping me from not wanting to quit.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

I hope he gets imprisoned next.

[Owen]

Perhaps that was a bit harsh, but I don't feel like Chance has much of a clue about anything. I get that he's frustrated that Gertrude is out, but dude, welcome to the last 4 rounds for me. Something tells me that he was in my position, he wouldn't have handled all of this the way I did. Would have outted my ass.

Whatever. If they lynch me, they're idiots.

[Owen]

WHAT IS HAPPENING TO ME?

I AM LAUGHING AT ALL OF BRODERICK'S POSTS FROM TODAY.

Alternate universe?
Dreaming?
Too many Blunts?

I DON'T KNOW.

[Owen]

Jenny is trying really hard to sway me. She's saying all the right things, but unfortunately, she's not getting out of this.

Awohali, if you fuck us over, you shall be known as the worst citizen in Spies 8.

[Owen]

My sleep schedule is totally F'ing me in the A right now. By the time I wake up, everyone is offline. Oops.

[Owen]

Claude just compared me to Jason. Please, spies, just imprison me already before I'm set up for a mislynch. Ridiculous.

I love how I'm begging for imprisonment to help the town out. Sophi would be proud of me for my mafia ethics.

[Judge Sam]

Thanks for posting these unbelievably stellar confessionals. They are my crack. I need them. *shoots up owen's confessional*

I'm glad the break helped rejuvenate your spirits. That Jenny picture is pretty funny, actually all your pictures are funny...

Could you tell me more about this suspicion you have garnered recently? Who suspects you? Do you think it will gain traction?

[Owen]

I feel like they haven't been as good as I'd like them to be. Hooray for wanting to overachieve with confessionals, but pretty much nothing else in life. But thanks for the compliments as always, much appreciated.

All my pictures are pretty funny. Especially ones of my face.

The suspicion against me lately is odd, mainly because I feel like it's the people I'm closest to that are suspecting me the most. I don't know what Chance is thinking now, but as of the other day he was saying that he'd rather lynch me and that Gertrude's death points directly to me. Which, as you know, is complete horseshit. Claude says that he believes that the two of us think alike, and that as scum he would have bussed the weak spies that I helped lynch. Can't really argue that, but again, you know that's horseshit. I wouldn't be surprised if there were others that are afraid to mention their suspicion of me, much like there were people suspicious of Hank that never acted on it... until the end. Which is what I think is going to happen to me at this rate. The longer I stay alive, the more I'll be suspected.

[Owen]

Kiara, Mary, Owen: Is there anybody in the game, past or present, who you talked with on AIM and just got a "citizen" vibe from them? What made you think they were a Citizen? If they have been eliminated, were they actually a Citizen? Have you noticed anyone who appears to be a Citizen in AIM, but not on their board posts, or vice versa? Which weighs more to you?

Plenty of the eliminated players (via imprisonment) are people that I got strong town vibes from. In order of elimination: Gabe, Nita, Tina, Cory. Along with just a general vibe that I got from them, I built up trust with them over time that made me even more convinced that they were town.

Gabe: Fought for the things he believed with sincerity.
Nita: Similar suspicions, great scumhunting.
Tina: Always hunting for new things, most proactive player in the game.
Cory: The most open player in the game to me.

Three of the four came up as town, Nita came up as third party. However, although Nita was going to have to complete scum tasks, I still feel like she was one of the best scumhunters (if not the best) and was pro-town. I'd be shocked if she was in the dead lounge right now rooting for anyone other than the town.

As far as someone that comes off as town to me over AIM, I'd have to say Stephanie oozes citizen to me when we talk. I've said it so many times, but anyone can say and do anything to appear town. However, you have to look for the sincerity in things. While Steph has said and done some pretty crazy shit, I really feel like she believes the things she says and does. Isaac would be a perfect example for all of this.

I haven't noticed anyone that comes off much differently in their Burg posts compared to interactions with them on AIM. Sure, there's some people that are more active on AIM then they are on the forums, but that's just to way that some people are wired. As far as which one weighs heavier on me, I'll go with AIM. On AIM that you have less time to strategically formulate an answer. Things posted on the forums can be worked on for a period of time to improve your answer, but what you get on AIM is raw and in real-time. At the same time, I think AIM leaves a lot of room for spies to manipulate by forming personal relationships/friendships that can skew your judgment.

Owen, do you think Kiara is a citizen or a spy? Explain. Haven't seen you around in awhile..so would love to hear your thoughts on what you think of Kiara/Awohali/Jenny situation.

In the night, I hear 'em talk, coldest story ever told. Somewhere far along this road he lost his role, to a woman so heartless.

Anyway, leaning scum for the time being. As I've told a few others, I regretted my decision to change my vote from Kiara to Zedekiah E6 after her late role-claim. 1. Her role isn't exactly powerful, nor is it confirmable. All it's doing right now is creating controversy. 2. Out of the options I was presented with at the time, I felt most strongly that Kiara was scum.

As far the Awohali situation is concerned, both the logical and emotional side of me is believing that Awohali was telling the truth. If we can't believe a confirmed citizen who didn't appear to be reckless and even stuck to everything after he was already voted out and was leaving the room, we're more screwed than a "straight" guy on Baitbus. At this point of the game, him coming out with something like that could break the game for the town and I'd be floored if he selfishly did that.

Jenny has said that it makes no sense for Kiara as either alignment to lie about this, but to me it would make complete sense if she and Jenny were scum together. As she's still voting for her, she would still be able to look like she was against her, and at the same time, it would make their look like there was one less "town" role out there (Awo's). I know that I'm not the only person that has questioned the amount of "town" roles out there and thought that there have been too many. If Kiara has a scum role or her role was made up entirely to save her ass at the last second, Awohali not having a role would make it seem much more plausible that there's more town roles out there.

I heard the theory yesterday about the one-use role turning him into a 'nilla citizen and it's a good thought and a possibility, but unfortunately it's not concrete.

My questions:

Sam - Have you sensed a lack of character roleplay this season compared to seasons past? If so, do you have any suggestions for us to make the game more enjoyable from a character perspective? *cough*we need fun activities, not critiques that give spies free reign to make us look like shit*cough*

Lawrence/Rondak - What are the pros and cons of coming into the game as a replacement this late?

Hambone - Final 2? Also, you've made it known that you're a "Survivor player." To clarify, do you have any previous Mafia experience?

Kiara - As someone that had a fixation on voting for role-holders for a few rounds, what are your current thoughts on all of the roles that have been figured out/outted?

Mary - At this point of the game, do you think it's more important to avoid imprisonment or to go all out?

Everyone - Give one word that describes your gameplay thus far. Explain.

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1. Has your experience in Spies 8 differed from how you thought it would be? How? Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

A bit. I've never really been one that people claimed to, but this game seem it seems like a god damn role whisperer. It's good to have information, but at the same time it was extremely stressful. Same goes for being dictator. In general, I usually have a bit more fun than I've having this time around.

2. Which player are you most likely to chat with after the game? In other words, have you made any friends while playing?

The postgame is one of the best parts of all of this, so I actually look forward to talking to everyone afterwards. But in particular, I'd say that I bonded the most with Cory and look forward to being able to talk to him again. There's others that I particularly enjoy the company of, but if you're looking for specifics, have to go with Cory.

And because she hasn't been mentioned lately, have to give a shoutout to Themba. She never failed at making me laugh.

3. In your opinion, have any players become a disappointment as compared to how they played in the early game?

Not really. My opinions of people actually get better as the game goes along for the most part.

4. And vice versa, is any player a pleasant surprise as compared to how they played in the early game?

I'm not sure the word pleasant should ever be associated with his name , but my opinion towards Broderick has changed quite a bit over the past episode. I didn't think there was much hope that the two of us would see eye to eye or get along for the rest of this, but as of late we've been communicating a lot better.

Really didn't have high hopes for Stephanie at first either, but she quickly grew on me.

5. What has been the most shocking moment for you thus far?

When I had been telling Jasmine her pictures were HOT only to realize she has a shanker. Oh right, that wasn't me.

Not sure I can just pick one, but these moments stood out to me:

- Savannah coming up town & claiming her role only after being voted out.
- Gabe's imprisonment.
- My #1 citizen Nita not being a citizen.
- Mason's claim.
- Allan taking the bribe (for all of two seconds until I remembered that he was going to quit for free after the first exile).
- Coming back and seeing Awo's claim and all of the other madness.

6. If this were a game of Survivor, who would be the most likely to succeed? Most likely to fail?

Only taking into account those who are left...

Succeed - Hambone -- No, this isn't a segue to another Hambone Survivor joke. He doesn't stand out TOO much and I have yet to talk to anyone that doesn't like him. Generally liked, not overly threatening, social enough.

Fail - Broderick -- Threatening + abrasive and argumentative = likely Survivor failure.

[Judge Sam]

Post these publicly please. =)

[Owen]

I did, sir. Was just posting them here first.

[Owen]

Jenny
Kiara
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Cinnamyn
Dane
Mary
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Lawrence
Rondak
Jasmine
Hambone

[Owen]

Before I sign on, I must say that this quote is one of the dumbest things that I've heard all game. Congrats, Hammy.

3. I am 99.9% certain that one of the Zedekiah voters/nominators is a Spy. I believed strongly he was a Citizen, and I urged everyone not to vote him out, but they did, and alas, I was right.

The Z voters: Cory (DEAD), Gertrude (DEAD), and Owen.

(If Owen is alive in 2 more weeks I AM voting him out.)

The Z nominators: Zedekiah (DEAD penalty), Chance, and Dane.

Since Owen has voted out 3 Spies now and would be DUMB to target since he's helping significantly, and Chance has this Devil role thing (which I will get to later), then that just leaves you, Dane. The other night on AIM when you yelled at me, I didn't really know what to think of it... it's just what you do. But I've had enough of saying that. Because I am sick of what you do. Why do you yell at people? Why did you nominate Zedekiah, when in Week One you turned off Zedekiah and went after Alexei?

Firstly, announcing that you'll be voting me if I'm not dead in 2 rounds highly increases that chances that I'll be alive for you to vote in 2 rounds. Especially considering the fact that I'm popping up on peoples suspect list now. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Secondly, I've already said that I regretted voting for Zedekiah over Kiara. Hell, I regretted it from the second I changed my vote. However, I only had one other option to vote for in that situation, and it was Chance, someone who I knew was town. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

What Hammy just did right there was either dumb or scum. Point blank.

[Owen]

Game over.

Kill me, please.

[Nita]

No killing Owen. He's doing so well :-(

LOL at the Clown on your scumdar and at your comments regarding Trey rotting in Spies hell for all eternity (If I was a Citizen I'd be pissed even today!)

Next time Steve, just be BFFs with the entire cast. Everyone. Even the lurkers. Then everyone, to you, will be preventing you from quitting. Or kidnap Kirstyn and make her sit next to you IRL whenever you play Spies.

[Chance]

I don't even know what to say to this confessional.

[Hambone]

DUMB OR SCUM, huh

[Gertrude]

Or both?

LOVE YOU TOO STEVE.


We make a kickass team as either alignment!