Episode 4 - PM Answers

[Owen]

All PM responses from my set of questions will go here.

[Owen]

Claude

1) Chance and Isaac are my top suspects. Chance has been all game long, for any number of reasons that you can look up in the Democrat Burg. Isaac just might be my #1 suspect now though, after the post where he agreed with what people were saying was suspicious about Themba, and then..ended up voting Jasmine(whom Themba was voting at the time). These kinds of insincere posts are almost always scum mistakes, not town ones. Plus, the entire time he was on my side, he did nothing but sit on the sidelines and try to egg people on.

2)I'm less suspicious of Tina than I was previously, because I felt that her Day 3 actions were genuine.

3)I think that both of the roles claimed could go either way, and that people(myself included) are given too much leeway because of roleclaims. If someone acts like scum, you shouldn't give them a pass, unless they are claiming a role that is overwhelmingly likely to be town.

4)I would have given it to Nita. She lead the Republicans in lynching a Spy Day 1, and was a huge force in creating action Day 3 on my side.

5)Magalie. I will just never be sure on her, because alot of her mistakes could simply just be bad play. I always want to vote her, but I also always don't(especially after Camilla and Margot got lynched under similar circumstances and both flipped town).

6)I want to say that I would listen thoughtfully to what everyone else had to say..but yeah. Unless they decided on someone that I already wanted to vote, I would just end up picking one of the people that I personally suspected(which, as stated, would currently be Isaac or Chance).

7)This is not a question that anyone should be able to answer for themself. It is up to everyone else to judge a person, not that person themself.

[Owen]

Magalie

Hello Mister Kim Jong Il. Asian lady voice: Anyting you like I do fo yu. Let me say something on the way I been playing this game before you get thoughts from the others about me before you actually meet me. Other people may see me as not doing much in this game because I am not a very good team player and found out that I work better on my own. If I mess up then that is on me but I want to take responsibility for my own actions then anyone else. I have admitted to the former members of the democrats that I have been reading up on past seasons and have been looking in the spies headquarters only for the fact that if you understand what a spy is thinking then you can catch a spy. I was force last episode to give up how I was thinking because my back was against a wall. I have worked alone this whole game and If I had came out to my whole team of my strategy then they would all FOS me but I was tired of all the hiding behind my tough girl facade because I didn't have the answers to give to my team. I had never lied in this game its just that each person remembers things a little bit more differently then the next person would.



Questions:

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons?
My top suspect would be Claude. The reason that he is my top suspect is because in episode one he has been one of the main ones who put FOS on to Chance yet he has never really voted for him. When Chance was saved and immune from exile two Claude made it know that he "was" going to vote for Chance along with Lilith. I see it as if Chance were Claude's escape goat for everything and if he votes Camilla off then he would go back to point his FOS at Chance. Claude had enough votes to get rid of him but he just did not follow through with it.

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?
Now Lilith would be another one on my list but she has been replaced so I don't fully think that she can be a spy because in the last game that Sam has do you really think Sam would pick someone that has the schedule conflicts as the old Lilith did.

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?
My thoughts on the role claims have no such effect to me because its not like a spy could not have a role. The only role that would scream at me that is a citizen is the doctor and I hope to god never comes out and claims.

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.

(When you say "Not including myself" do you mean me or you who is already dictator?)
Well I am just going to say that I can not truly trust anyone in this game for me but if I were to pick anyone for the game itself I would have to choose whoever was it that lead the exile of Alexie because til this day he has been the only spy to be caught. I think if they use that skill to catch other spies then we would be smooth sailing. The sad part is that I have not been following the Republican side of the game so I don't know how that went about.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.

If I were a cop and I had the choice to investigate I would choose to investigate Gertrude just because of a mistake that will haunt me until the end of this game. I never wanted to pay much attention to her because if I do come out with dirt on her people will just not take me serious. That is why when people talk about Gertrude either I would stay out of the chat talk or I would end up defending her. I have no idea why I do these things I just find myself doing so.

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?

I would vote for Claude because I truly in my heart believe that he is a spy.

7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.
Look I can sit here and tell you all these lies like a spy would tell you but you got to believe in your mind that I am not a spy. I am not a spy because I can sit here and admit to you our dictator the truth. I put all my game plan out on the table for everyone to see so that I may gain trust as a citizen from which I never had.

[Owen]

Jenny

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons?

Like I've told other people, I've mostly been trying to narrow the list down by figuring out who makes the most sense as a citizen and working from there. If I did have to pick a few people, I'd go with Zeddy, Stephi, and maybe Maggie.

I honestly didn't get a chance to look into the republican side very much episode, so maybe he's gotten better since I last saw him, but last I did see him, he could barely answer simple questions without falling apart, seemed to get sidetracked really easily, and would bring up things that really didn't help much of anything (like saying that Lexi could be a spy, the day after he's exiled.)

Stephi I'm looking at a bit, because some of her reasons for wanting to vote people during the second exile seemed really weird. Being suspicious of Rondie for example because he had to ask again about what bussing was, for example, just sounded like she was trying to find a reason to have a suspicion on him.

Maggie, as I'm sure you've heard by now has been incredibly useless. Everyone on the Democrats warned as such when we first got there, and she soon proved it true in the short time we were there. In just about every way you can imagine. Barely shows up in the Burg, barely shows up on AIM, when she is around she tended to just insult people who disagreed with her, blatently copied other people's suspicions, it was just unbelievable.

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?

I wouldn't say fell off my radar really. Claude I'm trying to decide what his deal is, and Rondie I'm hoping to get more information out of when he's around again, but there's other people I'd like to see more on first.

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?

The only ones I know about are Claude, and the one I brought up. Obviously I'm not suspicious of my own actions, and I don't think Al is a spy for now. Claude.... just... Claude. What the heck is up with him. His role could be a spy role, but I'm waiting to see how he uses it before being sure. Although I wish he'd do something besides try to force the issue on Lucky.

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.

Assuming we knew what the power was ahead of time, not just a general "ultimate power" description?

Honestly, I'd have picked myself.

After last week, where we had the top three cases all be on people I thought were cits (and so far with good reason it seems,) and then yesterday when Themby got picked over Maggie, I wouldn't have minded having the power so we could exile someone I think is suspicious this time around. It's slightly obnoxious when three of your favorite people to talk to get taken away in some form in a row.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.

Hmm. I dunno really. Possibly Lucky, just so that we could get Claude to shut up already about him one way or the other. Possibly Stephi, so I could see if I'm on the right track with her. It would have to be someone that there is at least serious talk about, so that we either don't waste an exile on a bad suspicion, or can make sure nobody has a reason not to vote for a spy that came up.

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?

Kind of misleading, since it's still restricted by nominations, but assuming that we didn't have to worry about that? I would probably go for one of the people I said in the first question, but I'm not sure which way I'd fall right this second. I'd probably pick either Zeddy or Stephi-kins over Maggie though.

7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.

Because I'm a cit?

Okies, serious reasons. I know people seem to be worried about how Al's roleclaim came out, but if I was a spy, I would have just let him get himself exiled, and nobody would have been the wiser in the end. Not even Ni-Ni because Al actually asked me about what I thought about his idea to claim to Ni-Ni to try to make up with her before he went through with it. I could just have easily told him that he needed to keep it between us for the time being, and then kept my mouth shut when vote started to pile up on him when he wasn't even online, even put a vote on him myself since he certainly wasn't doing himself any favors that day and wasn't around to be able to call me out on it. Nobody would have even been the wiser that he ever had anything, and no imprisonment needed.

Other then that, only things I really have is stuff like being able to ask me stuff if you're ever worried about me for something, and not just sheeping onto what look like easy votes when I don't agree with them. If there's something in particular you want to know about though, feel free to ask!

[Owen]

Cinnamyn

aye own honey bunchez here b my answerz 2 da queschinz u dun posted.

Questions:

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons?

magalie - she dont contribute much, but wen she do her reazins 4 suspectin' n' shit she say iz suspishis. dis iz not bcuz she didnt help much wit' da challenge, cuz i think dat aint nothin' 2 worry bout cuz i aint gonna judge sumbody if dey busy. but i will judge her 4 da shit she sez - lyke parrotin' her suspishinz, switchin' on a dime without' reazin, blatantly givin' reazinz 4 sayin' shit dat r exactly wut a spy wud say, n' refusin' 2 spyhunt after bein aksed 2 n' queschined many tymez.

jenny - she majorly fukked up allanz role. i dont care if allan think she a cit, i think she aint. da point of sumbody role claimin 2 u iz not so dat u can role claim publicly 4 dem, lmbo. itz so dat u can protect dem. dere were no signs dat jenny tried 2 protect allan besidez role claimin' 4 him, which shud have been a las' rezort. she didnt try 2 scumhunt, n' claimz dat she can onlee luk 4 citz. well shit datz all well n' gud but u cant vote 4 a cit, u gotta vote 4 a spy. she thot all of savannah, allan, n' themba wuz citz, but didnt bring 4th anotha suspect 4 ppl 2 exile, she let ppl sit on her citizens. wen she claimed 4 allan, she didnt push 4 stephanie 2 go, n' let ppl slide on 2 savannah, who she also thot wuz a citizen. she seemz complacent 2 jus' sit around n' let ppl she thinkz r citz get exiled. n' if she aint lukin 4 spiez, how iz she helpin' at all.?

izaac - wen he wuz on our side he seemed 2 b playin' really defensively n' not actively lukin' 4 spiez. frum wut i saw frum wen he went 2 yallz side it didnt really change. i want 2 keep a luk on him n' i think he haz dun sum weird thingz.

gertie - 2 late bandwagon votez on ppl who ended up gettin' da majority (camilla, margot) n' who also ended up cit.

i think stephanie b suspishis frum da repubz but datz only frum wut i have seen n' ben told, so i will ahve 2 luk in2 dat dis round.

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?

chance n' claude. both i think b citz. i dont think 1 iz a spy n' 1 iz a cit, bcuz den i dont think dey wud make it so "me vs. him". if we exile 1 n' it b a cit, itz very lykely we wud exile da otha on bein' a spy, so it dont make sense 4 whichever 1 wuz a spy 2 do dat. i dont think dey both b spiez, cuz dere feud started at a tyme wen neitha wuz in truble. it wuz in da very beginnin'. i can c how dey cud both b spiez if at da tyme dey started fightin', 1 or both of dem wuz in trouble, but dey wuznt. bcuz inversely 2 my otha argument, if we exiled 1 n' it wuz a spy, we wud probly leave da otha 1 alone 4 a bit. but i dont c y 2 spiez wud do dat so earli on wen it wuz purdy unecessary.

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?

allanz wuz a mess, n' i think jenny n' nita dropped da ball on him, bcuz wit 2 ppl nowin da role it shud hot have been public. have yet 2 c proof of it, n' i aint 4gettin' dat.

claude obv got da role, or no sumbody dat got it. but since he keep uzin' it on chance, i think he da 1 dat got it. cant say cit or spy, we dont no wut sam wud give it 2. he claimed at a weird tyme, n' no matta wut he sez, it wuz 4 self preservashin. but, citz want 2 survive 2.

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.

i kinda divided it up in2 grups in my hed, n' da ppl i wud b okay wit' gettin da dictator wud b awohali n' mary. i agree wit' lots of dey pointz n' i think dey really tryin' 2 catch sum spiez.

ppl i wud b okay wit' gettin' dey exile votez bak soon: nita, dane, tina, broderick, cory. but all of dem have dun weird shit 2 make me not want 2 trus' dem az much az dictator.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.

sumbody who iz gen'rally helpful but have enuf doubt on dem 2 make me not trus' dem fully. rite now it wud b tina n' broderick. i think dey r ppl who i lean cit on, but ppl bring up enuf points against dem dat it cud b jus' az viable dat dey b a spy tryin' 2 run shit. dat way, if i new dey wuz a cit, i cud take their suspishinz more seriously n' we cud work togetha. i aint gunna investigate sumbody who i dont think cud work wit' me 2 find spiez if dey iz a cit, but still sumbody i think haz a gud chance of bein' a spy. cuz datz da whole point of investigatin' - 2 find a spy.

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?

magalie, 4 reazinz i sed earlier. sorry i jus' dont wanna repeat dem lmbo.

7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.

i iz lukin' 4 spiez, askin' ppl queschinz, not hidin' my vote reazinz bhind emoshinz, gut, o' likeability. but mos' importantly, i dont think n e body iz immune frum bein' suspected. i dont care how many tymez allan tell me jenny iz a cit - i sill gunna luk in 2 her. same wit' nita. nobody shud b immune. errybody cud b a spy. itz jus' my job 2 find out who.

[Owen]

Lawrence

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons?
My top suspect is Magalie. I'm still not convinced that I'm not being overly emotional with regards to her, but I'm convinced she's a spy. She's been incredibly unhelpful, rude and inconsiderate, and just plain mean. She's also a liar (and she's admitted it), and that's just not something that should be done.

Lesser suspects, but still around, are Isaac and Chance. Isaac has had a couple of shady quotes, and Chance has been inconsistent and has a questionable relationship with the truth.

Watching Tina, Brody, and Jasmine for various lesser reasons.

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?
Claude was a first day suspect, but I believe his role to be cit. Combined with one of my top suspects confirming it's use, it's just really someone I have trouble seeing as a spy.
Not really falling off the radar, but Kiara, Lilith, and those I've not really interacted with much (Nita, Hambone, Jenny, et al) I intend to try to get a true opinion on.

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?
As I just said, I think Claude's role is a cit role. I don't particularly care for it, but I just don't see a way for it to be a spy role.
Allan's role is a little interesting, but could go either way. I have no real opinion on it; but it's probably limited in some manner.
The Doc, whoever it may be--they did a good job, but was it a one-use save like in Spies7?

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.
Well, me of course. But more seriously, I'd probably go with Awohali. Before the re-team, I'd been developing what I felt was a pretty good rapport with him, and I'm nearly fully convinced he's a cit. He's been a voice of reason and calmness, and I think he'd have done an excellent job.
If I was limited to the Repubs, I don't really know who I would have given it to other than you or I. I might have considered going with someone who wouldn't have had time to develop alleigances (one of those who'd been replaced).

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.
My gut says Broderick, because I still have this feeling he's a spy, but no way to prove it. But if I was truly thinking logically, I'd probably go for someone who'd been suspected (truly) at one point and backed off from--Cory, Gertrude, or (in my case) Claude.

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?
Presuming she was nominated, Magalie. I backed off of her once, and it's bothered me ever since. I want to see her gone.

7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.
I've spent hours upon hours scouring the logs and forums for evidence of scum-hood. I've made posts detailing my observations, and feel like I've made some good points that people have agreed with.
I'm not the sort of person to randomly follow a bandwagon; I suppose this could be looked at either way, but I like to form my own opinion, whether or not it meets with the majority consensus.

Good luck.

[Owen]

Chance

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons? - claude, jasmine, magalie, and rondak. the latter two for basically the same reason - they aren't around and aren't helping us do anything. they're either spies or unhelpful citizens that are going to make us lose down the road. i haven't even seen rondak online to talk to yet. jasmine is actively unhelpful as has been demonstrated, and her vote change to themba last night makes me more suspicious. either she switched it later than she claimed to have, or she had time to at least mention it. claude i believe is a spy for a myriad of reasons, most of which can be found in my case on him in the burg - plus the point about his roleclaim that nita brought up, about how he wouldn't seriously have been lynched after camilla turned up citizen.

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why? broderick and mary. i suspected both at times previous, but i then began thinking that i was probably suspecting them because they both annoyed me. brod asked me a bunch of questions in the burg early on that i thought were unfairly skewed to make me look bad no matter how i answered and it seemed to me that mary waited for me to be gone before really starting to attack me in episode three.

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far? i think claude's role is a spy role. i don't see any way for it to help the citizens unless claude specifically uses the role on a spy, and even then it doesn't hinder the spies too much except in the case of the vote removal power. and since, from my perspective, he's used it every episode on a citizen thus far (myself), i'm even more inclined to think it a spy role. allan's claimed role could go either way, i think.

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain. probably nita. she seems very pro-town to me, plus she was one of the main pushers of the alexei lynch. if you want a republican answer, i really can't give you one as i didn't follow the republicans much.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain. as much as i push claude, i don't really think anyone else is going to lynch him simply because of his role. so i'd very likely use the investigation on him, even if it came up citizen and thus pointed all the crap at me. my second choice would be cinnamyn. i lean citizen on her, but it would be very nice to be able to trust her fully.

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for? claude.

7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy. i haven't been on either citizen lynch (camilla, margot) - in fact i'm pretty sure i was camilla's main defender. granted, i was disallowed from voting during the margot exile, but i never pushed her except on the grounds that she was unhelpful, as i've stated my stance on previously. i refrained from pushing relentlessly on claude during episode three to avoid dulling the perspectives of the new democrats.

[Owen]

Stephanie

Owen, I am really hoping that you are a citizen. If you are a spy with all of this information, we are doomed!

1. Top suspects: Lawrence
Others: Jasmine, Rondak
And I still want to talk to Jenny and Allan, plus the other democrats. I am sure this list will change when I meet the new people.

2. Dane and Zeke, I think are the only two I have given up on. Some like you and Gabe, I had only passing thoughts about before I gave them up.

3. Haven’t given role claims a lot of thought – I think mostly because I haven’t had a chance to talk with any of the claimers yet.

4. The anagrams

5. I would pick someone I had mild suspicions of, but couldn’t seem to get a read on. Also I’d try to pick someone who talked enough to leave some evidence behind. Jenny might be a good candidate, since knowing her alignment would help with Allan’s. Jasmine might be a good candidate. And there might be some others over on the dems that I don’t know enough about yet.

6. Lawrence! Actually, I would try to keep up with things and study the cases on the nominees and look who nominated them, and probably vote with the burg if I thought the burg had a good chance of being correct. You will have one day to decide between the 3 or 4 nominees, I think you won’t have that much trouble when it comes down to it. It should actually be easier to decide between 3 or 4 than among 25.

7. Ugh, I don’t know, cause I am a citizen. A not very good at defending myself citizen.

[Owen]

Jasmine

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons?
Isaac, still is one of the top ones for me. I think the fact that he is around a ton but yet everyone always has a hard time getting a feel where he stands says something. Lilith has said it to me, Mary(and many other democrats) use to make the comment that he doesn't talk much in group chats even if he's online..so to get a vibe on him is hard. I think that is scummy. Also the fact that somehow Margot and Themba got a majority over him these last two rounds, at the last minute..is beyond me. -_-. Makes me hate him even more.
Chance, just by viewing the previous chats you will see how hardcore he was..and full on at the start of this game. I think he shouts scummy when he was saved during the exile, when he was going to be exiled. I think it was a way for the spies to save one of their own that was in danger that round. He would have been in danger as well. I think I know who he is as well, but have yet to accuse him. But I plan to this round--just so you know if an accusation is said and it's on him..
I was going to ask you about accusations--so maybe right here is a good spot to bring it up. I was the one who accused Gertrude correctly, but have yet to bring it up to anyone. I'm not exactly sure how one should go about doing it..or if they should say much at all. My thought would be that if I let people know who is she, they would attack her--the spies would, especially towards the end of this game..and then she'd go based on that, and not based on if she is citizen/spy. At the moment, I don't get a spy vibe from her..so for me, I haven't said anything. let me know your thoughts though, if you think I should bring it up or what not..I was just thinking it was pointless to add to the mix at this point.

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?
Stephanie. I was very suspect of her, but i think it's just her personality. Also Claude/Lilith/Tina were all suspects somewhat at times, and I've died down on them. I trust them all as citizens. I also trust Brod as a citizen right now, I don't see him as scummy, even if he does accuse me as being a spy.

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?
I need to find out more information on the Allan role, but I think Claude's role is a citizen role. I don't think a spy would be given the ability to mess with people's voting during the day. I think if he isn't imprisoned in a few rounds, then we have something to worry about with Claude--maybe his role is a spy role.

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.
In the little time I've spoken with her, I think Lilith is a citizen. I'd have loved to see her with the power. She would be a bit in the middle of everything, because of not coming from either team, etc. I think she'd be a perfect person for it. The more I speak with Tina, I don't think she would have been a bad Dictator either.
And because Jasmine is egotistical, I think I'd be the best one of them all.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.
I would investigate one of my top suspects. Maybe Isaac, or Chance. I think to find someone who is in the lime light..and see what they truly all would be helpful. That way you are able to know if you should gun for them at the next exile, or not.

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?
I think you should think about casting a vote for Chance or Isaac. I think both have shown scummy things in the past, and if you look into them some more....maybe you will see that as well.

7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.
I think I've done a great job showing how I'm not afraid to speak my retarded mind. I'm not very good at arguing or having huge words inserted into my posts. And I don't even have a great attention span for reading things..but I'm doing my best at trying to find spies. I know I've fought for Themba to go over Magalie, etc. which look scummy, but hopefully you can just see why i think the Magalie reasons were complete BS. I swapped my vote last minute because it looked to be Themba VS me in the end, and I wasn't going to let Isaac, brod, etc get rid of me all together..obviously, plus Lilith IMed me..someone I trusted..she also PMed me to swap my vote. People suspect me, and I think being a new player..and someone who isn't 100% good with all this, it's easy to do just that--think I'm spy. Hopefully though, you can see through that..and see I'm a new player/getting use to all this, and still wanting to play my character as well as caught spies. I'm not giving Jasmine up to play this game, she's playing the game.

[Owen]

Nita

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons?
Magalie - she lyin, she accusin wit terrible reasons y contradictions, she ain't lookin for spies. Nobody en the Republicans cept Lawrence y Jasmine talk bout her - maybe the Spies no mention her because she one of them y talkin bout her might get her exiled

Gertrude - She tell me she make a mistake en the beginnin by lurkin in chats, but she say she grew out of it. Last round she still lurkin y she only make 1 post, bandwagonin on the Magalie vote (last person to vote). She vote both Margot y Camilla.

Isaac - Claude right, his post last round bout tearin into Themba y then votin wit Themba ain't right.

Lilith - What she do to get immunity? Spies all vote for her? Why she so adamant bout Themba y now Jenny y the doctor?


2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?
A lot of the Republicans ain't on my radar right now. Been focused wit catchin up on the Democrats I meet last round.


3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?
Allan - Inclined to believe him

Claude - Inclined to not believe him. Side note: He really gonna cancel out everybody's nomination vote this round?


4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.
Me. Ain't nobody I trust more than myself.


5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.
Stephanie - Girl crazy y hard to get fix on

Isaac - He a tricky one

Cinnamyn - She focus on Margot the citizen y Magalie. I no know nothin bout who else she lookin at


6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?
Depends on the nominees, don't it?

If I castin a vote I do it for someone who I both suspect y who es distractin.


7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.
I no wanna do this. You know what they are, but if I start believin I ain't such a citizen maybe the spies will too.

[Owen]

Tina

1.Who are your top suspects? Reasons?

-Isaac and Magalie. Isaac is mostly gut, and I still am surprised at some of his suspicions. Magalie for the stuff the dems put up, even though I still need to talk with her.

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?

-So does that mean people I thought were spy and now do not? It would be Law and Steph then. Law made a very good post and decent responses. Steph is just so genuine sounding I think she is cit.

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?

Allan is defninantly citizen. Claude is probably citizen given how breakable the role is from a spy standpoint.

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.

Nita. She is ultra-citizen.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.

Zek due to how important his alignment is for this game. It changes a whole lot if he is actually a spy.

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?

Right now Isaac.

7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.

I was a big pusher on the Alexei exile despite getting off it at the end. Also I was the only one doing work on Rep-side yesterday.

[Owen]

Allan

(3:28:14 AM) spies8allan: 1. Gertrude, Claude, and Steph
(3:28:36 AM) spies8allan: Why.... ugh i really hate making a long case... its why i never do it in the chat. we can talk about it after
(3:28:51 AM) spies8allan: i like conversation better, and i don't organize a case well
(3:29:09 AM) spies8allan: 2. i don't suspect Jenny or Nita, at all... they are innocent
(3:29:35 AM) spies8allan: i also don't suspect cinnamyn much... she was nice and very pro-town in her thought processes
(3:29:43 AM) spies8allan: and smart for such an OTT character
(3:30:07 AM) spies8allan: 3. Obv my role is real... Cladue's could be real but very well could be a spy role
(3:30:19 AM) spies8allan: I think for sure him/chance have the same allignement
(3:30:49 AM) spies8allan: 4. Nita would be my dictator (no offense lol)
(3:30:59 AM) spies8owen: (mine too)
(3:31:33 AM) spies8allan: 5. Issac i would investigate. i don't know him and others say he's suspicious... so i'd pick him so i didn't have to start from scratch i'd just know his alignment
(3:32:41 AM) spies8allan: 6. I would cast it for anyone I said in #1, or whoever got the most votes from the group. don't want to make enemies if i don't have a strong feeling
(3:34:11 AM) spies8allan: 7. I'm not a spy because i'm a cit that has a role. My activity has been sparatic partially my fault partially i can't help and i think although i'm different i can offer a different perspective than others to help the town
(3:34:21 AM) spies8allan: so yea.... thats that
(3:34:22 AM) spies8allan:

[Owen]

Wow, it's Isaac

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons? This is easy, top suspect is still Claude. Voted him day one and two. Changed groups day 3 so couldn't vote him. And after several continued actions I've seen already today will vote him again today. As for reasons, well I have threads out on it and have said them several times. But, here are some of them: 1) He finds mainly 1 fact on individuals he doesn't like, convinces himself they are spies and sticks with it regardless of how detrmental it is to us as a whole. And so far, he's batting a 0%. He is so convinced that his playstyle works(Which has yet to even be slightly verifed) that he ignores others arguments and only put his 2 cents forward because he's already made up his mind. 3) Why in the world would he ask Sam in group chat about his role? It seems like he's trying to prove to everyone he has one so there is more doubt as why no to lynch him. 3) The role claim straight out the gate day 2 is bogus. Why say that after his "lynch me tomorrow if Camilla isn't a spy" speach instead of arguing he was wrong(Which is odd since he told all of us he was "Certain"). 4) His reckless play style endangers the rest of us and the more I seeit, the more I'm thinking he's a brazen spy out to prove something. On top of all these reasons you should read my vote threads as I've listed countless other examples.

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why? I wouldn't really say fell off exactly, once they are on, they are there. But some suspects have very little for me to prove or verify at the moment so I've gone after the most blatant offenders.

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far? Allan's is believable, but the way he claimed so fast and who he claimed to makes me really question as to why? Claudes is suspicious mainly because it could be citizen or spy and there is no proof either way.

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain. Probably Cinnamyn, just because no matter when I chat with her I get a good vibe and she seems very trustworthy.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain. Claude, hands down, see above reasoning.

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for? Depends on who gets nominated, Claude Jasmine and Chance have made my top 3 suspects list now for awhile, so if one of them gets nominated it would be for them.

7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy. I personally think it pretty obvious I'm citizen at this point. Although my claude arguments fall on mainly deaf ears as so many people are tired of the claude/chance thing. I'm always here helping out and chatting it up with whomever wants to talk and always answer questions and assist with challenges. I think if I were a spy I would avoid several questions and not try to assist the citizens in any way.


Now Owen, I have some questions for you as well since our one chat was brief at best and you were pressed for time to vote for someone. I find it interesting that in your thread to all of us you said:

"I realize these are a bit forward, but I'm going to have to make a very informed decision in a few days time."

Yet when I saw your last minute vote in the voting thread, you voted for me. What exactly was that based on? You like to make informed decisions, but made no references that I could dispute or talk to you about. You are not the only one to use "Gut" as a reasoning, can't say anything against that so I'll ignore it. The possible Themba Connection(Which is now proved inaccurrate) and distancing makes me feel you based your vote for me off of me post in the vote thread. Though I'm curious if you actually even took the time to read up on that whole conversation in the chat logs as I think several people may have felt that same way, but in the end didn't because of everything else that was said. So I am curious, what exactly you are basing this on?

Finally, you feel I'm not sincere. Um, ok....not sure how to even try to prove this one. But there in lies my question, what examples do you have so I can discuss this with you.

You see, I feel looking at and understanding all aspects of all votes is the only way to move forward in this game and win it. But I still get the feeling that several players are mainly basing their personal votes off of what everyone else has already said. The fact that we barely chatted at all the one episode over on the Reps side and the fact that 20 minutes or less after asking me about my vote on Themba really makes me feel you are just basing your concerns off of one thing that was said or done on my part and after reading through last nights chat logs I see I'm still one of your main suspicions. Please don't feel as though I grilling you, but Jasmine is the only one who has ever voted for me that actually put forth verifiable facts and quotes. You and Claude now have both voted me as well, but I think you realize by this point Claude could care less about any susbstantial arguement against me as he's already made up his mind as he has done with everyone else. But since I still barely have even chatted with you, I would like to know where you are coming from on this. Thank you!

[Owen]

Hambone

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons?

JENNY - she revealed allan's role when the votes weren't even going towards allan. At the time, there were only 3 votes on allan (me, dane, and themba). Savannah, who was clearly getting eliminated, didn't even vote for allan. Then there were 4 official Savannah voters... Finally, there were 5 people who hadn't voted yet at all, and 3 of these people were Allan HIMSELF, Nita and Jenny. NITA AND JENNY obviously weren't gonna vote for Allan since he roleclaimed to BOTH of them.

Jenny then admits that she never calculated the vote count herself, but rather, SAVANNAH told it to her. How convenient!!!! The person who is now dead and can't speak is the one who told her about the vote count. So anyway, Savannah had 3 votes more than Allan for SURE. Allan's roleclaim was unecessary and I believe she simply wanted to out his role so the Spies could imprison him. Because if Jenny did imprison him while he hadn't outed his role, then obviously that could mean only Nita or Jenny could be a Spy.... and obviously, we'd all look at Jenny. Finally, Jenny doesn't make cases... on anyone... she rarely even states her opinions on stuff. Recently, she's been looking at who IS and who ISN'T a citizen... like literally, that's what she's doing in chatrooms. I don't get it at all... sure it's helping a little... but like? Sure let's go TELL the Spies which people we believe are 100% citizens so we can get them Imprisoned!!!!! durrr.

I'm also looking at Steph (but I've not been on her tribe in forever so I need to sift through the other team's threads) based on her actions early on in the game, like her possible connection to Alexei. I also want to look into Isaac, who I've never met. He seems like a creepy mother fucker, and that one big post he made on the forum was very suspect. Oh, and finally again, I believe that ONE of Chance/Claude has GOT TO be a Spy, and if I'm wrong about that, then just woooooow they're terrible townies. I know you haven't met them yet, Mister Monarch Gut Boy, but seriously, those two are like, ugh, I don't even know how to explain it, lol.

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?

Z and YOU... Z because I feel like he really started to pick it up a lot and make cases on people. Also, since Alexei was pushing for Z so hard I feel like that kind of clears Z from being a Spy. However, him saying "HQ" so many times still makes me cringe. And you're off my gut suspicion now because I think you're a huge asset to the citizens.... HOWEVER, I'm still gonna call you Mr. Gut.

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?
Everyone who claimed a role is retarded. Are you asking for your death bed? Furthermore, I believe that one person who has role claimed so far is a Spy... I have no idea which one, but I could bet any money on it that one of them is a Spy, cuz I don't see any Mafia roles yet and there should be one. Claude's role helps HIMSELF more than it does his team, his role could very well be a Spy's.

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.
Definitely Nita, Tina, or Myself. Both Tina y Nita are very strong players and make my eyes pop so much at some of the cases they think up. I feel dumb every time because some of the cases they make I had never even realized.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.
Either Jenny or someone who is a big name, someone that you wouldn't expect to be a Spy but is playing a good game as a Citizen anyway, like Awohali, Cory, Mary, or You lol.

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?
Jenny.

7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.
I feel that I'm a really valuable asset to the Citizens for sure. Week One I voted out Alexei and added to his case. And from there on out I've made cases on several people, some of which I was wrong about, but still. I feel that I get good reads on people, and that I'm a pretty smart guy for the most part. And I guess that's all I've gotta say unless you for some reason wanted to hear more from me. I don't really feel like making a huge speech so, good luck and for your sakes I hope you pick an actual Spy

[Owen]

Kiara

1. right now i would say claude, steph and lilith. i dont get the impression that either of the girls are stupid, but a lot of things that they say just make absolutely no sense at all. for claude see question 3

2. before the switch i was a little suspicious of nita. but that kinda went away when i learned that she was one of the earliest and strongest pushes for an alexei exile. i mean its possible he was bussed, but i dont find it likely. i cant imagine a spy volunteering to take a dive so early. maybe later in the game if it looks like it might set them up for a win, but not in the first round.

3. claudes looks real scummy to me. the night kill is the spies real power, but we occasionally get the opportunity to thwart them. we were able to assign immunity to certain people, and we had the doctor save. the lynching is our real power. the spies get to vote too, but everyone is under constant scrutiny. so they cant make any voting manipulation obvious. the ability to manipulate if and how someone votes is big for the spies. heck, they tried bribing dane already! plus theres what he said last night. "Sam: Hypothetically assuming that I didn't lie to everyone about how my abilities work." its a really odd question to ask. i dont get why he would lie, especially when he wasnt pressure into claiming. but i actually think he did. isnt it odd that chance loses his vote and gains immunity at the exact same time? especially considering that no one was made immune last round? and if claudes ability is in fact to grant immunity in exchange for a vote, then why the heck would he give it to someone he hates so much and was a prime candidate for exile? also chance said to me that last round he was limited to who he could vote against, and that he couldnt vote for claude or jasmine. first it strikes me as odd that he can pick chance back to back. if claude wanted to he could dominate chances vote for the entire game? that seems like a broken mechanic to me. also why jasmine? she was on our side. the only way he could vote for her at all was if they won the challenge and we nominated her. but again, thats sort of broken because it forces chances vote. claude is making it sound like sam might revise the role to fit the new twist, but if thats the case wouldnt he have done the same thing for last round, seeing as it wasnt a standard vote? something here just isnt adding up!

allans role worries me. apparently he said he thought someone else might have the same role. but that could be an off-balanced mechanic. if someone has an investigation they can use it on him. not only does it clear him, but it doesnt waste the investigation because he gets one himself, and everyone will believe him because he will be cleared. then he could use it on the other person with a similar result. also apparently he said good things happen if hes targeted. which is weird because i thought the ability to use the ability is good in itself. its almost like fishing for people to use their abilities on him. which could be disastrous if there was a spy Watcher role or something. also he told jenny, which is weird enough that he told anyone but he said because she was too over the top to be a spy. she over the top? um ok

4. assuming everyone is an option? hambone. to date he has given me the strongest citizen vibes. if i had to vote for someone else from our side i think i would have gone with broderick. again, i just get good vibes

5. tina. everyone have been fawning over her and i just dont get why. sure she was the first to point out alexei might be a spy, but maybe that was just a bluff to throw people off. she didnt know it would pick up as much momentum. then when she knew savannah was voting zed and themba had changed her vote she flipped too. nearly forced a tie, and perhaps alexei stays. i also think its possible that the dem spies may have deliberately thrown the challenge. tina was the most likely candidate, and may have won if themba hadnt switched her vote out of spite. i dont like that so many people trust her so easily, so if i could check anyones alignment it would be her for sure

6. hard to say, depends on my options. theres always the possibility that everyone who ends up being nominated are people i dont find suspicious. then id be forced to get rid of someone even though i may not suspect them. but if everyones an option itd have to be claude, steph or lilith

7. wow thats a hard one, im not sure i have a good answer for that seeing as the only successful exile is the one i wasnt around for. honestly im surprised more people havent brought me up as a suspect.

[Owen]

Zedekiah

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons?
I'm honestly runnin' low on decent top suspects, but I would list the followin two the top:
Jenny: Aside from the old reason o her not budgin from my case the entirety o' episode one, an' 'sides her not questionin alexei at all. She is still ridiculously on the inside o everythin' I can't believe how much she knows 'bout folks, particularly 'bout dead folks, not only is everyone supposedly claiming t' her, but when I asked she admitted she pre-typed her reaction t' themba flipping cit, in my opinion an odd amount o confidence fer town....
Judge Sam (10:51:04 PM): Citizen.
spies8jenny (10:51:06 PM): Yeah that's kind of what I expected really.

Rondak: His constant air o neutrality is suspicious, I mentioned this 'fore but nearly all he says t' anyone are role play actions *chuckles* what can ye take form that?
The cincher though is the fact that he literally wasted his vote this round, seriously? No Exile? way t' not step on folks toes an' avoid any responsibility what so ever.

I'd also say magalie, but I unfortunately don't have my own reasons fer that one yet aside from the obvious happenin' in exile

2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?
Allan, his claim will be the hardest of evidence, no reason t' doubt him fer now

3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?
It's not things that are easy t' fake from what I've heard so far.

4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.
Shame, I reckon I did want t' say "myself"
But I thought tina was a trustworthy enough person in the running, she has a good start fer day one, and was connected t' gabe who was confirmed town.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.
perhaps Lawrence, I reckon he's a tough guy t' get a read on, since he's so smooth (and inactive)

6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?
Is this some sort o moral question, or are ye literally askin fer a name?
if it's the former, I'd say go with the one with he most evidence, if it's all bad, go with the one who'll either create more evidence in their death, or trust yer gut oh all knowin leader.
if it's the later, Rondak


7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.
Anythin I say here is jus goin t' make me seem like more of a spy, but if I were a spy those there spymates themba told me 'bout would make sure I didn't say somethin that incriminating
also I think every case I've said so far has a unique perspective, showin I'm alone an' clueless.

[Owen]

Awohali

Firstly, as a prelude, I apologize for a delayed response. I am often not home at all over the course of the weekend, and when I get a chance to check in, I do not have long enough to give any meaningful, well-thought-out responses to questions such as these. I look forward to discussing things with you over Instant Messages, but until then, I hope that my answers here will suffice.

Questions:

1. Who are your top suspects? Reasons?

Some of these will be copied posts from my summaries on people from our Democratic team, written last episode in order to give the Republicans an idea as to why we would nominate whoever we ultimately nominated, as they are up to date suspicions and are laid out precisely as I would have wanted them, anyway. The others will be freshly written specfically for this question. These suspects are not arranged in any order whatsoever. This is merely the group of people I suspect the most:

Chance
1. Chance made several incorrect pieces of information
A. He made a mess regarding Cory and Tina talking after teams were announced. They talked before.

2. He has focused only on Claude, for the past two episodes. I have not seen much initiative taken by him regarding anyone else in this time period. He has made a large case on Claude, but I am not aware of anyone else on our team that he currently even suspects.


3. He disappeared more or less, after he was made immune and unable to vote last episode. I can see how this combination of evens would be frustrating, but he could have still used the time to gather information. He did not, to my knowledge, do so.

Jenny
1. She role claimed for Allan in an odd situation.
A. She claimed his role an hour before the votes were due.
B. She did not verify the vote count herself, but rather took Savannah's word for it. Savannah is dead. The vote count was already towards Savannah being voted out.
C. She cited the unknown votes as being what made it important to claim early, but 3/5 of the unknown votes were herself, Allan, and Nita, who was the other person that knew of Allan's role.

2. She does not look for spies.
In her own admission, she looks for people who are Citizens to narrow down the list. While I see nothing wrong with noting when someone is perceived as a Citizen, I do see a great deal of things wrong with not hunting for Spies. In a game this large, she will not have a narrowed down list for several more episodes.
What is she doing in the mean time?



Magalie
1. Magalie has not been very active. She is rarely online and does not accomplish much when she is on.


2. Magalie's reasoning for voting suspicions are poor.
A. She voted Gertrude after stating that she was probably an honest Cit, later admitting that she actually suspected her and said that only to get people to leave her alone, but later admitting that she actually felt like she was voting for a Cit under fire in Gertrude.
B. She gave what sounded like a purely copied/parroted suspicion of Stephanie, then later claimed that she did not actually say that she suspected her. Upon being shown the quote, she amended her claim to "i didnt mean it like that".

3. She was detrimental to our team during the final challenge. For the one before the final challenge, she logged on and then said she had to reboot before we started. Her reboot took two hours, and she stuck by that when she got back on.
During the final challenge, she stayed on and got her assignment of flags, and then said or did nothing for several minutes before saying that she had to go, and logged offline. By taking an assignment of 5 flags, which were some of the final flags that we identified, and not actually looking for them, she hurt our team. Intentional or not, it was very disheartening.


4. She has not, to my knowledge, asked many questions or done any Spy hunting. If she can post evidence of this here, then that is great, but I can not recall it existing.



Claude
1. Claude likes to make votes "Me or them" in mentality.
A. He said several times of Camilla that if she was not a Spy, he would gladly be Exiled the next round.
B. After she flipped Cit, he role claimed, and since then has constantly insisted that either him or Chance must be the next to go.



2. He has contradicted himself.
A. He said in Round One that Citizens "Should never be emotional. It doesn't accomplish anything", to paraphrase. He also stated that he himself is never emotional in these games. But he claimed that he was in a very emotional state when he role claimed after getting heat for it.
B. Speaking of that emotional state, right after he claimed, I commented that it seemed like an emotional decision, and he said that it was a "Calculated, logical" decision, defending himself. The two claims seem as another contradiction.


3. The role claim itself. Why would a Citizen make him or herself known publicly in the beginning of Episode 2? Claude claims that he wanted to keep himself safe, but he had an entire episode to see whether or not people suspected him enough to vote for him. What good would he, as a Citizen, have in claiming the way he did, at the time that he did?
Conversely, what would a Spy have to benefit from a claim that early? A few rounds of time in which people would be afraid to vote for him. And the power to assert that his suspects be Exiled.



Beyond those cases, which are now available in the Burg, I also suspect:


Jasmine
1. She does not show any interest in what does not suit her.
A. She did not want to read Chance's case on Claude because she decided that nothing Chance said was important. This was partially because he was immune that episode, but she stated that she did not really care what he said, anyway.
B. For three episodes now,m I have been trying to get her to explain a claim she made that I do not see as true. She has failed to do so, despite my having asked her at least six times, now, and either ignores it or makes up a lame excuse each time.

2. She has not, to my knowledge, done much actual Spy Hunting.
A. Her reasoning behind her votes are either unexplained, such as the example above, copied from othe people, or purely bandwagon. She has voted for Chance, Margot, and Themba so far, and I have yet to see a good reason behind any of those votes.


I suspect mostly everyone to some degree or another, but these are the people I currently suspect the most. If you would like further explanations on other people, I will be glad to provide them.


2. Are there any suspects that fell off of your radar? Why?

Nobody has fallen off my radar, nor will they. I do not forget about people and I do not let anyone slide.


3. What are your thoughts regarding the roles claimed thus far?

It is ridiculous. You probably picked up from my suspicions of Claude that I find the circumstances surrounding his claim to be quite odd indeed. I do not see any reason whatsoever why it would be beneficial to him as a Citizen to claim when he did, in the way that he did. The way he claimed is exactly how I would expect a Spy to use his role.

Jenny claiming Allan's role for him was similarly disgusting. She claimed for him at a time in which he was not only in any true danger of going, but at a time in which he had an hour left even if he was in real danger, which he was not. She had no reason to out his role, in my eyes, unless she is either absolutely thoughtless, clueless, or a Spy.

Savannah is the opposite of Jenny claiming Allan's role, in that she waited far too long to claim her role. It is unfortunate that she would do so after the deadline, when it would not matter. I am sad that she was not mindful of her situation.

Between the Doctor's role that we know to exist, and Savannah's role, which we assume to exist, I believe that there is a fair chance that either Claude or Allan is sporting a Spy's role. This is based on intuition and not any solid fact, so I will not use it alone in determining a reason to suspect someone.


4. Not including myself (because I really don't feel like having my parade rained on) who would you have trusted most with the power of Dictator? Explain.

Broderick. He is a level-headed, active participant who asks good questions, weighs his suspicions carefully, and has acted in a way that promotes good Citizenship. He has not acted strangely or detrimentally, and I believe he would make good decisions when it comes to eliminating players.

5. If you had a cop investigation, who would you use it on? Explain.

Claude. He has a role. If he is a Citizen, he can be very helpful. If he is a Spy, he would be very dangerous. I would not share this investigation knowledge publicly, but would make sure that at least one person I trusted other than Claude would know of the investigation and result. If he turned up Spy, obviously I would tell everyone.


6. If you were in my position and were the only person to cast a vote, who would cast it for?
Magalie. She is worthless as a Citizen and suspicious as a Spy. I fear that if she is not eliminated soon, she will skate by for several episodes, maybe longer, due to the fact that people do not even take her seriously due to her bad play and her lack of presence on AIM.


7. Give me a few reasons why you're not a spy.

There are none. You do not know me, and have no reason not to believe that I am a Spy. I will let my future actions answer this question for you.

[Jenny]

So how much did these end up helping you out?

[Gertrude]

Also, why is mine not here?

[Chance]

Yeah, I liked Gertie's.

[Hambone]

Holy shit, Awohali wrote an essay.

[Owen]

Sept 10, 2010 19:32:30 GMT -6 Jenny said:

So how much did these end up helping you out?

Unfortunately not as much as I had hoped. It was a good way of getting everything organized for me at the time, but I don't recall these answers really having a huge effect on anything.